You are kidding right? I play with filters. I asm clearly visible in several other of my videos and some not depending on the mood I was in while making the video. That was sort of the method I used when active.
To answer your question, no I am not a pedophile. Had I been, I would have said so in the description box, because I love to make politically correct people feel like shit. Hehe.
It`s sad that there are some people who`s fear of paedophiles, who are a small minority in any society, is so great that they end up tainting their childrens best years by being overprotective and seeing deviancy everywhere they look. Childhood should be as worry-free as possible. There is plenty of time to be scared of the world when you are an adult. :)
Indeed. It is a huge problem, but as "luck" would have it the clergy is now the number one worry for parents. Hopefully they will understand that it is not the random person, but those given autority that in most cases are the possible molester. And by possible, we are talking a minute statistical chance that should not be taken into account friviously. Lets hope parents understand this better now then just 10 years ago.
Hmm, pedophiles actions are sickening, they are the reason why children grow up afraid. not because of churches of god etc. I think your points are valid, but if a child is molested by a person, father, etc it's not acceptable, we both can agree on that, man and animal do have desires, but animal can control them, humans have suffered from their own lack of understanding their actions. we are our doing and undoing, we make ourselves what we are, sometimes others make us into what we are, hmmm!
Obviously rape of children is not tolerated and cannot be tolerated by any functional society.
But if we are to beleive the media and the rumormill the world consists of 50% pedophiles. This video is directed towards a mental disorder; unrational fear of the "unknown" and how it infects our lifes damaging our children in the process. The world is not filled to the brim with insane child molesters like some media outlets would like us to believe. ;)
The reason why the media covers child abuse in the way that it does is because it is a huge distraction from the true pedophiles of society that are "above the law". These would be the ruling classes of society who all partake in the taking of the innocence of a child. This type of abuse is also used in trauma based mind control. A child goes missing every 40 seconds in the United States!!! Hmmmmmmmm think about that for a second.
Yes, to a certain level I do agree. We see this in several scandals within "the" church and in politics. I do agree that the real problem lies not in the random psychologically challenged pedophile, nut within the system. However, I must remain somewhat sceptical to my own paranoia construct, it is in human nature to look for the lurking predator.
I could not disagree with you more. Look, you have to understand our judicial system in the UK does not do enough to punish paedophiles, you hear of them receiving pathetically unduly lenient sentences, and we are not even allowed to know where these monstrous men are living, in order to protect our children. For this very reason everyone should be paranoid, and suspect to a certain degree of any man being harmful to children.
Then we are miles apart. Even to begin debating this, you must undrstand my position. I see a clear difference between physical and so-called emotional rape. I see humans, naturally, as animals with animal urges. I therefore understand all lust-driven action in that sense, even illigal action. I see morallity as relative and emotions as reactive. If you see my video throwing stones:sin, and read the description box, you might understand my position on so called "vile" actions.
I do not mean people can do what they want, but scholar understanding and sociological input on society's reactions is important to alter any philosophical position for or against any models of thought in the population. I do not define crime as such because of laws or emotions of those around the crime (action) but define the crime defined on how a society would function if certain actions where deemed illigal or legal. As for peadophile as a position, it is natural (obviously).
Natural does not mean it is a good thing. Murder and rape is natural, still it must be illigal to guarantee safety of the induviduals will, but I do not see actions as "good" or "bad", intrinsically; actions are instead positive and negative relative to a certain paradigm; therefore we need to understand these actions and calculate them, not define them on emotions. As such, peadophilia is NOT a major problem. Capitalism and imperialism on the other hand, is logically a greater problem.
I do not condone sexually lust driven action at all, but I do not seperate "lust" from "lust". The drives are the same sexual chemicals with different objective outcome. So society must safeguard against certain action through education and understanding of ones own emotions. Thereby controlling negative lusts before they become manifest. If it is "hate" or "I want sex" they basically are the same; so somebody wanting to harm the harmfull is for me the same.
Your views are distorted, complete nonsense , illogical, unfounded and they predominantly stem from the basis that you are detached from society. I do not mean that you are literally detached from society, but mentally. You fail to truly comprehend what is polluting our world, the reasons behind devilish acts and the threats poised by certain individuals.
No, I warn against fatalities in sociological structures. You only state a position without any argumentation against any of my statements or argumentative positions.
It is about understanding, not about judgment. All civilized societies have low punishment and a high grade of rehabilitation. Do you ever wonder why this works?
Great points you make here. This media hysteria seems to be more then just pedophiles though. I used to live in a big city, and the news amounted to a list of who was murdered, who was robbed, who was raped, and of course now, who did terrorism. I'm sure each type of hysteria does it's own type of harm to our society.
this reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend of mine the other day. She used to work at a kindergarten with a small forest next to it. And the kids had a small pool to play in during the summer, but they were not allowed to bade in their nude becouse there "might" be pedophiles in this forest watching them.
Not surprising. It gets incredibly problematic. I understand the fear, but there has to be reasoning involved. The population is not 50% child-molesters, which seems to be the general idea shall we believe some people.
Yes, and if you think about it the adults would obviously notice if someone was standing by the fence with big eyes looking at the kids, and if this someone was hiding in the woods nobody would notice and therefore nobody should get hurt.. right?
The "appearance of evil" is a Christian evangelist/baptist belief that the appearance of wrongdoing is all that is needed, and should be avoided at all costs. For example "Don't be alone with your girlfriend, others will think this... have a chaperone". And I'm like "Nonsense, we are simply watching TV, I'm not responsible for the thoughts of you and others".
This thought is very prevalent in many doctrines (mainly Christian),and that is where 'suspicion' grows.
Yes. I am so lucky to be born in an atheist family, in an atheist community and mostly atheist society at large. I cannot fathom living my life watching over my mental shoulder like that.
Well you can imagine how I feel these days. I've worked with kids many times, and children generally will warm up to me easily for some reason. Perhaps because I'm wacky (much like Yahwehouthere), and I take the time to listen to them. But always in the back of my head I wonder "What are others thinking?"
It's a horrible feeling, and I never can be at ease because of it.
I think the seed for the unease was planted long ago, when a relative (who had been sexually abused) read into my nephew's misplaced statement that I had grabbed his privates (while we were play-wrestling), or tickled him inappropriately, asked me about the incident. Of course me just saying "I dunno, we were wrestling, period." wasn't enough. It's caused a bit or resentment on my part that she would even think that of me. :/
I have no doubt that I 'tickled' him in a wrong area, or 'grabbed' him in what he would call an inappropriate area, but that happens when you're lifting a child over your head to throw them onto a couch or something, or they're giggling and frantically moving about laughing and tickling you back... People can be ridiculous, really.
In that respect, I have many friends with children that I have raised and played with since they were born, and who love me to death, and don't think such things, nor did it enter their heads. :D
Yes. What is going to happen if this continuous? If you read this comment section you can see that a person I debated earlier on the cause of pedophilia, I study such things, has declared that I am a pedophile for arguing with her/him. This kind of behavior will not be tolerated however. I will just block any such slander. However, there is reason for some level of concern; there are child molesters out there, obviously. But that does not give precedence to act like witch hunters.
Yes, what happened to common-sense, and teaching children about strangers (having a code word, etc) and educating them? Instead, parents are fearful, and many children I know now live in fear and in prison, since they aren't allowed to freely play in the neighbourhood or go to the park by themselves anymore, like I could as a kid.
Pedophiles have been around as long as man, nothing's changed.
True. Fear through media. I agree, it is plausible that this is used by politicians from time to time as a fear mechanism. The neo-conservatives would stoup(?) to any level to manifest their politic agenda.
I think I agree with your first statement. The problem is that at some level 25% of the male population is capable, at base level and emotionally, of pedophilia. Of course, 24,7% of them have only had minor thoughts not really worth deduction. ;)
That's fine. Technically if you're sexually attracted to for example, a girl of 14, you are a pedophile. The term does not discern or describe that this particular 14-year-old was well-developed and will naturally trigger our sexual response of 'readiness'. Of course I choose to not act on it. However, IMO, true pedophilia has sexual urges towards undeveloped children.
Pedophile; * A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger); * B. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty; * C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.
25% of the male population has at some point felt urges that fits criterion A but shorter then 6 months. That is why they have added the 6 month limit, so to not define 25% of the population pedophiles, as that would be problematic.
A person that have sexual attractions towards (aprx) 13-18 years old have tendencies of ephebophilia, this is considered normal in psychology and therefore not threated. 100% of males have some level of sexual attraction towards adolescents.
Thank you. Yes, child molestation is a problem in society of course. The problem is that we can get into trouble if we begin "witch-hunts" based on no information what so ever. It will make society cold and harsh if no parent feel comfortable being close to their children.
I completely know what you mean there. My friend Dylan is afraid of parks, and schools because his parents scared him into thinking people who look scary are pedophiles!
Yes, thats the problem. One thing is to be careful, of course; another to become paranoid. Living in fear is not living at all. But; certain thing is common sense, like not giving out your personal information on the internet or following random people home or into their cars.
Oh come Gnohead, you know EXACTLY what im talking about. U all cause this problem, not the rest of us.Huge difference to a man claming his child down , to rubbing his private parts.. gezzz, nice try! The balme game is really getting OLD!!! Blame the real persons will ya?
2) If you saw the video you understand the point. Its called a witch hunt process where innocent people are being targeted, creating fear in the general populace, leading to overboard careful behavior in parents.
= do you understand this or are you fully unable to understand reason? If you do you may continue to argue here.
Ahhh , see u do know what im talking about.BUT, you still don't admit to where you are REALLY going with this vid.But us antis know, and u know don't you?Now plz don't make me get ALL of the other posts you made on other vids.
What are you talking about?! I have never defended child-molestation, sicko. Get a grip now. If your going to insult me with your fallacies please do so in an orderly way.
mo2, stop, and re watch the video all the way through! As a married mother of 3 I SUPPORT this message! My husband (or I)should not have to watched every second he's with our children just in case. It is the witch hunt he wants stopped NOT pedophiles. Let's just hope you are never falsely accused of molesting your child while bathing him/her, but if you were I'm sure you would understand what he's saying then.
Some people are rather confused. I debated this mo2kidz character during the "dendrophilian incident", supporting the claim that society does have an impact on the developing of sadism through ex-communication. From that moment the only response I get from that person is "you must be a paedophile.
It gets tedious, but I will not stop debating academic issues because these people exists. They are very confused as to what is being said, and any argument that does not conclude that all paedophiles should be tortured and killed must, in their mind, mean that the holder of the argument is in fact a paedophile. Very tedious.
As a victim of pedophilia, I can safely say that this man-hunt society only makes it worse. It makes the "attacker" even more careful to remind the victim that "telling" will result in death. I use these words loosely, don't scrutinize over them, and there is so much more to it. I believe acting pedophiles should be prosecuted, but I also believe in convict reform, so that leaves me in a place not shared by many. Don't stop your fight, it's more than worth it!
Child-molesters should be treated as everybody else. They inflict harm for personal gain. It is a crime, and all criminals should be threated as far as science can help. Same goes for the victims. That is how civilization should do things, even if it hurts to leave/suppress the primal vengeance emotions. But if we fall for our basic emotions, how are we any different from the criminals?
not yet... I heard about it though, sucks big ones! I would like to know why they don't go after Xtians who use the (allegedly) copyrighted material by the same organization (VFX) ;)
As for dendro... Well I don't necessarily agree with him, but until we can prove him wrong I can't exactly disagree. The whole thing is emotional for me and I can not take my emotions out of it long enough to fully contimplate "his society". I do know that I wouldn't want to live in such a place, I veiw sex as a beautiful experience that should be shared between two people who really love each other and are mature enough to handle the "emotioal baggage" that comes with it.
I was hurt as a child and I don't think that having been in a society that allows it would have made it any better... Anyway, that's all for dendro's video, I should probably post it in it's proper place :)
I do agree with you. But there are levels of abuse, and it must be threated by society differently. Some are sadist, others are actual pedophiles, that have a disorder that leads them to love children as they should love adults. Thats the main problem. I do believe that most pedophiles control themselves, at least to a degree.
so far we agree on most everything, except I can not seem to escape my indoctrination, and haven't really been trying, I figure it will come with time and knowledge.... I'm not for a one world government, but haven't done enough thinking about it to even start to debate you and I'm not even going to try (yet) ;)
Giving comfort to a Child rapist? That must be a joke because it is so illogical it is almost idiotic. You havce proved his point. You're mentality is the kind of fear driven rhetoric that compunds the problem by fueling the heresay.
Yes, you see this? If you even debate the issue, some political correct half wit comes along with their random hatred, increasing the problem at hand to a new level. I just do not understand these people. There better be some sensible explanation behind their "logic".
People dont seem to realize that a pedophile and a child molester/ rapist are two very different things.
I dont agree with it, But as long as the person keeps it to themselves and doesn't try to harm a child, I guess that is their own business.
Iv spoken to men that claim to be pedophiles, and that they think a 13 year old boy is pure and they just want to love and care for them, I know they are only trying to justify their feelings by speaking this way, though, But, I guess they cant help it.
Well, the terror of being a pedophile. I guess that it would be horrible to never experience all the facets of love. But society cannot approve of it as the danger of mental force is to great. Therefore pedophiles should try to get help as early as possible, there are ways to circumvent sexual processes.
When I hear that story I think of how frightenned my boys would have been if police questionned us today, as I comforted my crying 5 yr. old. my boys would have been terrified. traumatized by that. My youngest has just started school, we specifically requested his teacher who is a very warm, gentle and affectionate person,
which most would want, yet at times in his instruction of our older one, i feared he would be accused of terrible things on account that in addition to being this amazing loving person he is also a gay male. We consider ourselves lucky that our children can both be taught by this loving and affectionate man,
but in todays climate it is like biding our time before some one interferes with the beautiful example he sets for these young kids, espescially the boys who risk being told to withhold their emotions and affections in order to be manly. i hope he never faces such challenge, but i fear the fundie types that might one day try it.
hysteria is never a solution.....emotional responses degrade situations. most people will project their own inner feelings onto others, like the pastor I assume.
I live in perhaps the most repressed and sexually immature country and it is very frustrating knowing the process we take to remedy the human condition is regerssive.
and the inhuman way we treat the mentally ill in this country, is equally disheartening.
What you were reaching for is very true and thank you for saying it. Its a shame that many men are estranged from their very own childeren precisely for this reason. Luckily I grew up in the 50's and we never heard of pedophiles. Not that they didn't exist...but they were rare very rare. The community would "take care" of them rapidly.
Yes. Not that I would subscribe to "taking care" of people. Well, maybe when I am angry, but thats where society is supposed to come in. Mind you, functional society that is, with a functional mental care plan. ;)
Child molesters are no more common today than they ever were. It only seems that way because the media has made it seem bigger by reporting each and every story. It has nothing to do with a lack of vigilantism or a disturbing new trend in human behavior.
That seems to me to be the logical conclusion as well. The problem is of course, we have no real hard data to back up that claim. But I agree, there is no clear reason to see child molestation as something that actually has increased in frequency. Like so many other things we are dealing with illusionary numbers.
Ya when I was younger my dad would never change my diapers or bath me he'd let my mum do it. I remember he would refrain from hugging me in public. That's insane my dad would never hurt me. When I was in public school one of the kids in my class scraped her knee and my teacher hugged her then they told her she wasn't aloud to do that. AHHHHH stupid
Please people STOP train of thought. It may prevent some parents from being naturally loving towards their own children. (That is surely a sin?) Thank you GnosticAtheist for taking the time to do this video.
I will not stand idly by and watch the bonds between parent(s) and child be torn asunder by "pious" folk yelling and screaming at the sight of an imaginary witch that they want burned at the stake. This process of anti-empathy and mental rape have to stop. It is human fear and ignorance; once again showing its ugly face.
Stop the madness people; be perceptive, not insane.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! The message i recieved from these two "concerned" people have unfortunately given my wife reason to believe that this is how my videos are being percieved. I/we enjoy doing them so much, we spend hours doing them and its all about the laughter and fun we have and seeing the positive comments. And until yesterday thats how i thought ALL viewers would see them.
Are you a pedophile? why do you feel the need to post this video anonymously?
ascheef72 2 years ago
You are kidding right? I play with filters. I asm clearly visible in several other of my videos and some not depending on the mood I was in while making the video. That was sort of the method I used when active.
To answer your question, no I am not a pedophile. Had I been, I would have said so in the description box, because I love to make politically correct people feel like shit. Hehe.
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago
It`s sad that there are some people who`s fear of paedophiles, who are a small minority in any society, is so great that they end up tainting their childrens best years by being overprotective and seeing deviancy everywhere they look. Childhood should be as worry-free as possible. There is plenty of time to be scared of the world when you are an adult. :)
DickensianDreams 2 years ago
Indeed. It is a huge problem, but as "luck" would have it the clergy is now the number one worry for parents. Hopefully they will understand that it is not the random person, but those given autority that in most cases are the possible molester. And by possible, we are talking a minute statistical chance that should not be taken into account friviously. Lets hope parents understand this better now then just 10 years ago.
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago
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DickensianDreams 2 years ago
Indeed.
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago
Hmm, pedophiles actions are sickening, they are the reason why children grow up afraid. not because of churches of god etc. I think your points are valid, but if a child is molested by a person, father, etc it's not acceptable, we both can agree on that, man and animal do have desires, but animal can control them, humans have suffered from their own lack of understanding their actions. we are our doing and undoing, we make ourselves what we are, sometimes others make us into what we are, hmmm!
dan144x 3 years ago
Obviously rape of children is not tolerated and cannot be tolerated by any functional society.
But if we are to beleive the media and the rumormill the world consists of 50% pedophiles. This video is directed towards a mental disorder; unrational fear of the "unknown" and how it infects our lifes damaging our children in the process. The world is not filled to the brim with insane child molesters like some media outlets would like us to believe. ;)
GnosticAtheist 3 years ago
The reason why the media covers child abuse in the way that it does is because it is a huge distraction from the true pedophiles of society that are "above the law". These would be the ruling classes of society who all partake in the taking of the innocence of a child. This type of abuse is also used in trauma based mind control. A child goes missing every 40 seconds in the United States!!! Hmmmmmmmm think about that for a second.
catch22ification 2 years ago
Yes, to a certain level I do agree. We see this in several scandals within "the" church and in politics. I do agree that the real problem lies not in the random psychologically challenged pedophile, nut within the system. However, I must remain somewhat sceptical to my own paranoia construct, it is in human nature to look for the lurking predator.
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago
I could not disagree with you more. Look, you have to understand our judicial system in the UK does not do enough to punish paedophiles, you hear of them receiving pathetically unduly lenient sentences, and we are not even allowed to know where these monstrous men are living, in order to protect our children. For this very reason everyone should be paranoid, and suspect to a certain degree of any man being harmful to children.
q01theorist 3 years ago
Then we are miles apart. Even to begin debating this, you must undrstand my position. I see a clear difference between physical and so-called emotional rape. I see humans, naturally, as animals with animal urges. I therefore understand all lust-driven action in that sense, even illigal action. I see morallity as relative and emotions as reactive. If you see my video throwing stones:sin, and read the description box, you might understand my position on so called "vile" actions.
GnosticAtheist 3 years ago
I do not mean people can do what they want, but scholar understanding and sociological input on society's reactions is important to alter any philosophical position for or against any models of thought in the population. I do not define crime as such because of laws or emotions of those around the crime (action) but define the crime defined on how a society would function if certain actions where deemed illigal or legal. As for peadophile as a position, it is natural (obviously).
GnosticAtheist 3 years ago
Natural does not mean it is a good thing. Murder and rape is natural, still it must be illigal to guarantee safety of the induviduals will, but I do not see actions as "good" or "bad", intrinsically; actions are instead positive and negative relative to a certain paradigm; therefore we need to understand these actions and calculate them, not define them on emotions. As such, peadophilia is NOT a major problem. Capitalism and imperialism on the other hand, is logically a greater problem.
GnosticAtheist 3 years ago
I do not condone sexually lust driven action at all, but I do not seperate "lust" from "lust". The drives are the same sexual chemicals with different objective outcome. So society must safeguard against certain action through education and understanding of ones own emotions. Thereby controlling negative lusts before they become manifest. If it is "hate" or "I want sex" they basically are the same; so somebody wanting to harm the harmfull is for me the same.
GnosticAtheist 3 years ago
Your views are distorted, complete nonsense , illogical, unfounded and they predominantly stem from the basis that you are detached from society. I do not mean that you are literally detached from society, but mentally. You fail to truly comprehend what is polluting our world, the reasons behind devilish acts and the threats poised by certain individuals.
q01theorist 3 years ago
Instead, you focus your time in searching for excuses and preaching to others to become magnanimous to evil individuals, all because of your leniency.
You base your opinions purely on emotions, and that is FATAL.
q01theorist 3 years ago
No, I warn against fatalities in sociological structures. You only state a position without any argumentation against any of my statements or argumentative positions.
It is about understanding, not about judgment. All civilized societies have low punishment and a high grade of rehabilitation. Do you ever wonder why this works?
GnosticAtheist 3 years ago
lol it was funny when u said " obviously if they were naked.." etc hahahha couldnt stop laughing dont know why
chow0jason 4 years ago
lol
GnosticAtheist 3 years ago
I love the background music!
Great points you make here. This media hysteria seems to be more then just pedophiles though. I used to live in a big city, and the news amounted to a list of who was murdered, who was robbed, who was raped, and of course now, who did terrorism. I'm sure each type of hysteria does it's own type of harm to our society.
BrickSalad 4 years ago
Very important video and shows how men are more and more alienated because of the fear. Good post. I can not see things changing.
KingGod666 4 years ago
Thank you, it is important that people realize the damage uncaused moral judgments can have on society.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
this reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend of mine the other day. She used to work at a kindergarten with a small forest next to it. And the kids had a small pool to play in during the summer, but they were not allowed to bade in their nude becouse there "might" be pedophiles in this forest watching them.
meffels 4 years ago 2
Not surprising. It gets incredibly problematic. I understand the fear, but there has to be reasoning involved. The population is not 50% child-molesters, which seems to be the general idea shall we believe some people.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
Yes, and if you think about it the adults would obviously notice if someone was standing by the fence with big eyes looking at the kids, and if this someone was hiding in the woods nobody would notice and therefore nobody should get hurt.. right?
meffels 4 years ago
Right. And that is the second point; why the fear of something that does not hurt you in any way? I do not understand the point...
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
It musst be a fear of them getting what they want, a wish to keep them down so to speak.
meffels 4 years ago
Could be some primitive angst, yes.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
The "appearance of evil" is a Christian evangelist/baptist belief that the appearance of wrongdoing is all that is needed, and should be avoided at all costs. For example "Don't be alone with your girlfriend, others will think this... have a chaperone". And I'm like "Nonsense, we are simply watching TV, I'm not responsible for the thoughts of you and others".
This thought is very prevalent in many doctrines (mainly Christian),and that is where 'suspicion' grows.
GuardianOfTheElect 4 years ago
Yes. I am so lucky to be born in an atheist family, in an atheist community and mostly atheist society at large. I cannot fathom living my life watching over my mental shoulder like that.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
Well you can imagine how I feel these days. I've worked with kids many times, and children generally will warm up to me easily for some reason. Perhaps because I'm wacky (much like Yahwehouthere), and I take the time to listen to them. But always in the back of my head I wonder "What are others thinking?"
It's a horrible feeling, and I never can be at ease because of it.
GuardianOfTheElect 4 years ago 2
I think the seed for the unease was planted long ago, when a relative (who had been sexually abused) read into my nephew's misplaced statement that I had grabbed his privates (while we were play-wrestling), or tickled him inappropriately, asked me about the incident. Of course me just saying "I dunno, we were wrestling, period." wasn't enough. It's caused a bit or resentment on my part that she would even think that of me. :/
GuardianOfTheElect 4 years ago
I have no doubt that I 'tickled' him in a wrong area, or 'grabbed' him in what he would call an inappropriate area, but that happens when you're lifting a child over your head to throw them onto a couch or something, or they're giggling and frantically moving about laughing and tickling you back... People can be ridiculous, really.
GuardianOfTheElect 4 years ago
In that respect, I have many friends with children that I have raised and played with since they were born, and who love me to death, and don't think such things, nor did it enter their heads. :D
GuardianOfTheElect 4 years ago
Yes. What is going to happen if this continuous? If you read this comment section you can see that a person I debated earlier on the cause of pedophilia, I study such things, has declared that I am a pedophile for arguing with her/him. This kind of behavior will not be tolerated however. I will just block any such slander. However, there is reason for some level of concern; there are child molesters out there, obviously. But that does not give precedence to act like witch hunters.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
Yes, what happened to common-sense, and teaching children about strangers (having a code word, etc) and educating them? Instead, parents are fearful, and many children I know now live in fear and in prison, since they aren't allowed to freely play in the neighbourhood or go to the park by themselves anymore, like I could as a kid.
Pedophiles have been around as long as man, nothing's changed.
GuardianOfTheElect 4 years ago 2
True. Fear through media. I agree, it is plausible that this is used by politicians from time to time as a fear mechanism. The neo-conservatives would stoup(?) to any level to manifest their politic agenda.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
Only people capable of pedophilia, or have suffered from, will look for it around them.
Or/and this is yet another tactic to separate people from one another, parents from their children, family from family.
First divide us, then conquer us.
GuardianOfTheElect 4 years ago 2
I think I agree with your first statement. The problem is that at some level 25% of the male population is capable, at base level and emotionally, of pedophilia. Of course, 24,7% of them have only had minor thoughts not really worth deduction. ;)
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
That's fine. Technically if you're sexually attracted to for example, a girl of 14, you are a pedophile. The term does not discern or describe that this particular 14-year-old was well-developed and will naturally trigger our sexual response of 'readiness'. Of course I choose to not act on it. However, IMO, true pedophilia has sexual urges towards undeveloped children.
GuardianOfTheElect 4 years ago 2
Pedophile; * A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger); * B. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty; * C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
I guess we agree? LOL.
My point is that the term is being applied more widely these days, and is causing mistrust between adults and children that shouldn't be there.
GuardianOfTheElect 4 years ago 2
oh, yes. I am not arguing. Its just my academic instinct. Sorry, I get carried away by definitions. Its a disease. ;)
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
25% of the male population has at some point felt urges that fits criterion A but shorter then 6 months. That is why they have added the 6 month limit, so to not define 25% of the population pedophiles, as that would be problematic.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
A person that have sexual attractions towards (aprx) 13-18 years old have tendencies of ephebophilia, this is considered normal in psychology and therefore not threated. 100% of males have some level of sexual attraction towards adolescents.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
i agree, what is the father going to think of himself now? How is he going to feel when he carresses his child again....it is very sick
oliviathecanadian 4 years ago
Yes, we need to control our fears if we don't want to end up like the machines we fear we will make.
Every time the father comes in a similar situation, he will remember that situation. Not good.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
It's common to fear pedophilia, like many people are pedophiles. People jump to way too many conclusions though. Good video.
YourSaviorIsJesus 4 years ago
Thank you. Yes, child molestation is a problem in society of course. The problem is that we can get into trouble if we begin "witch-hunts" based on no information what so ever. It will make society cold and harsh if no parent feel comfortable being close to their children.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
I completely know what you mean there. My friend Dylan is afraid of parks, and schools because his parents scared him into thinking people who look scary are pedophiles!
YourSaviorIsJesus 4 years ago
Yes, thats the problem. One thing is to be careful, of course; another to become paranoid. Living in fear is not living at all. But; certain thing is common sense, like not giving out your personal information on the internet or following random people home or into their cars.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
Exactly.
YourSaviorIsJesus 4 years ago
Such a lame attemp to twist giving child comfort to a CHILD rapist.. bunch of bs. Nice try fool!
mo2kidzs 4 years ago
Excuse me? What are you talking about? Can you explain how this video gives comfort to a child rapist?
Also, learn to build an argument. It gets troublesome to read a comment without any argument attached to your conclusion.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
Oh come Gnohead, you know EXACTLY what im talking about. U all cause this problem, not the rest of us.Huge difference to a man claming his child down , to rubbing his private parts.. gezzz, nice try! The balme game is really getting OLD!!! Blame the real persons will ya?
mo2kidzs 4 years ago
What are you talking about?! This is exactly the type of insane argumentation that creates the problem. Listen;
1) I am a homosexual, not a pedophile. Do you not understand the difference?
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
2) If you saw the video you understand the point. Its called a witch hunt process where innocent people are being targeted, creating fear in the general populace, leading to overboard careful behavior in parents.
= do you understand this or are you fully unable to understand reason? If you do you may continue to argue here.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
Ahhh , see u do know what im talking about.BUT, you still don't admit to where you are REALLY going with this vid.But us antis know, and u know don't you?Now plz don't make me get ALL of the other posts you made on other vids.
mo2kidzs 4 years ago
What are you talking about?! I have never defended child-molestation, sicko. Get a grip now. If your going to insult me with your fallacies please do so in an orderly way.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
BULLSHIT even homosexuals know better than to target a child!!!
mo2kidzs 4 years ago
Even homosexuals? EVEN homosexuals?! You fuck, get of my comment board fascist.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
mo2, stop, and re watch the video all the way through! As a married mother of 3 I SUPPORT this message! My husband (or I)should not have to watched every second he's with our children just in case. It is the witch hunt he wants stopped NOT pedophiles. Let's just hope you are never falsely accused of molesting your child while bathing him/her, but if you were I'm sure you would understand what he's saying then.
fapplemstar 4 years ago
Some people are rather confused. I debated this mo2kidz character during the "dendrophilian incident", supporting the claim that society does have an impact on the developing of sadism through ex-communication. From that moment the only response I get from that person is "you must be a paedophile.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
continued:
It gets tedious, but I will not stop debating academic issues because these people exists. They are very confused as to what is being said, and any argument that does not conclude that all paedophiles should be tortured and killed must, in their mind, mean that the holder of the argument is in fact a paedophile. Very tedious.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
As a victim of pedophilia, I can safely say that this man-hunt society only makes it worse. It makes the "attacker" even more careful to remind the victim that "telling" will result in death. I use these words loosely, don't scrutinize over them, and there is so much more to it. I believe acting pedophiles should be prosecuted, but I also believe in convict reform, so that leaves me in a place not shared by many. Don't stop your fight, it's more than worth it!
fapplemstar 4 years ago 3
Child-molesters should be treated as everybody else. They inflict harm for personal gain. It is a crime, and all criminals should be threated as far as science can help. Same goes for the victims. That is how civilization should do things, even if it hurts to leave/suppress the primal vengeance emotions. But if we fall for our basic emotions, how are we any different from the criminals?
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
If we all fall for our basic emotions or insticts how are we any different from apes? =)
fapplemstar 4 years ago 2
And even apes have some ethical structures.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
Good point ;)
fapplemstar 4 years ago 2
Have you seen my new video on the suspension on RabidApe?
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
not yet... I heard about it though, sucks big ones! I would like to know why they don't go after Xtians who use the (allegedly) copyrighted material by the same organization (VFX) ;)
fapplemstar 4 years ago
Exactly. ;)
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
I'm busy "spamming" the link you provided on that video... :) Can't send an email til I know where to send it... waiting for a reply. :)
fapplemstar 4 years ago 2
Its in the description on it where you should send it. ;)
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
Yes. We understand each other then. :)
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
As for dendro... Well I don't necessarily agree with him, but until we can prove him wrong I can't exactly disagree. The whole thing is emotional for me and I can not take my emotions out of it long enough to fully contimplate "his society". I do know that I wouldn't want to live in such a place, I veiw sex as a beautiful experience that should be shared between two people who really love each other and are mature enough to handle the "emotioal baggage" that comes with it.
fapplemstar 4 years ago
dendro's views con't...
I was hurt as a child and I don't think that having been in a society that allows it would have made it any better... Anyway, that's all for dendro's video, I should probably post it in it's proper place :)
fapplemstar 4 years ago
I do agree with you. But there are levels of abuse, and it must be threated by society differently. Some are sadist, others are actual pedophiles, that have a disorder that leads them to love children as they should love adults. Thats the main problem. I do believe that most pedophiles control themselves, at least to a degree.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
Agreed, on all points, I just don't have the same ability as you to put what I'm thinking into the words that will describe such accurately ;)
fapplemstar 4 years ago
Well, then we agree. Yay. ;))
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
so far we agree on most everything, except I can not seem to escape my indoctrination, and haven't really been trying, I figure it will come with time and knowledge.... I'm not for a one world government, but haven't done enough thinking about it to even start to debate you and I'm not even going to try (yet) ;)
fapplemstar 4 years ago
Giving comfort to a Child rapist? That must be a joke because it is so illogical it is almost idiotic. You havce proved his point. You're mentality is the kind of fear driven rhetoric that compunds the problem by fueling the heresay.
mconn2112 4 years ago
Yes, you see this? If you even debate the issue, some political correct half wit comes along with their random hatred, increasing the problem at hand to a new level. I just do not understand these people. There better be some sensible explanation behind their "logic".
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
Another 5 star video from the viking god! ;)
DemonicAvarice 4 years ago
All hail me or don't! That is the command of the Viking God! ;)
(whalepenis)
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
People dont seem to realize that a pedophile and a child molester/ rapist are two very different things.
I dont agree with it, But as long as the person keeps it to themselves and doesn't try to harm a child, I guess that is their own business.
Iv spoken to men that claim to be pedophiles, and that they think a 13 year old boy is pure and they just want to love and care for them, I know they are only trying to justify their feelings by speaking this way, though, But, I guess they cant help it.
mikeypwn 4 years ago
Well, the terror of being a pedophile. I guess that it would be horrible to never experience all the facets of love. But society cannot approve of it as the danger of mental force is to great. Therefore pedophiles should try to get help as early as possible, there are ways to circumvent sexual processes.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
this is so true, the rational answer to such things, to be able to get that help while being safe and understood yourself.
thequestionmarkofGod 4 years ago
sorry you will be forced to read upwards to get my comments in order : )
thequestionmarkofGod 4 years ago
When I hear that story I think of how frightenned my boys would have been if police questionned us today, as I comforted my crying 5 yr. old. my boys would have been terrified. traumatized by that. My youngest has just started school, we specifically requested his teacher who is a very warm, gentle and affectionate person,
thequestionmarkofGod 4 years ago
which most would want, yet at times in his instruction of our older one, i feared he would be accused of terrible things on account that in addition to being this amazing loving person he is also a gay male. We consider ourselves lucky that our children can both be taught by this loving and affectionate man,
thequestionmarkofGod 4 years ago
but in todays climate it is like biding our time before some one interferes with the beautiful example he sets for these young kids, espescially the boys who risk being told to withhold their emotions and affections in order to be manly. i hope he never faces such challenge, but i fear the fundie types that might one day try it.
thequestionmarkofGod 4 years ago
Yes. Fear without reason is a terrible thing.
I try to hold myself to reason leading to fear. We have real threats out there...
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
Thanks. Needed to do this after the scandalous slander some people seem to be willing to throw around them.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
hysteria is never a solution.....emotional responses degrade situations. most people will project their own inner feelings onto others, like the pastor I assume.
I live in perhaps the most repressed and sexually immature country and it is very frustrating knowing the process we take to remedy the human condition is regerssive.
and the inhuman way we treat the mentally ill in this country, is equally disheartening.
MissAnthropic66 4 years ago
Oh yes. It is no wonder there is rampant insanity when the sick is threated like ... I mean... not threated. ;)
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
What you were reaching for is very true and thank you for saying it. Its a shame that many men are estranged from their very own childeren precisely for this reason. Luckily I grew up in the 50's and we never heard of pedophiles. Not that they didn't exist...but they were rare very rare. The community would "take care" of them rapidly.
KasparHauser4 4 years ago
Yes. Not that I would subscribe to "taking care" of people. Well, maybe when I am angry, but thats where society is supposed to come in. Mind you, functional society that is, with a functional mental care plan. ;)
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
Child molesters are no more common today than they ever were. It only seems that way because the media has made it seem bigger by reporting each and every story. It has nothing to do with a lack of vigilantism or a disturbing new trend in human behavior.
TheHellLicker 4 years ago
That seems to me to be the logical conclusion as well. The problem is of course, we have no real hard data to back up that claim. But I agree, there is no clear reason to see child molestation as something that actually has increased in frequency. Like so many other things we are dealing with illusionary numbers.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
Ya when I was younger my dad would never change my diapers or bath me he'd let my mum do it. I remember he would refrain from hugging me in public. That's insane my dad would never hurt me. When I was in public school one of the kids in my class scraped her knee and my teacher hugged her then they told her she wasn't aloud to do that. AHHHHH stupid
THExBENJ 4 years ago
Thats... insane... ;(
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
Please people STOP train of thought. It may prevent some parents from being naturally loving towards their own children. (That is surely a sin?) Thank you GnosticAtheist for taking the time to do this video.
YAWEHoutthere 4 years ago 2
I will not stand idly by and watch the bonds between parent(s) and child be torn asunder by "pious" folk yelling and screaming at the sight of an imaginary witch that they want burned at the stake. This process of anti-empathy and mental rape have to stop. It is human fear and ignorance; once again showing its ugly face.
Stop the madness people; be perceptive, not insane.
GnosticAtheist 4 years ago
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! The message i recieved from these two "concerned" people have unfortunately given my wife reason to believe that this is how my videos are being percieved. I/we enjoy doing them so much, we spend hours doing them and its all about the laughter and fun we have and seeing the positive comments. And until yesterday thats how i thought ALL viewers would see them.
YAWEHoutthere 4 years ago 2