Music has a power to produce a psychological response in the listener. I find it interesting that the strength of the listener's response might be a consequence of the musical strength of the piece itself. I say "might" because as in all things psychological there is a subjective factor that defies or at least transcends objective rational analysis. Some folks might not even care to debate the artistic merits of one school of music, while holding very strong views of another. (1)
I personally find this music very powerful & while I have mixed emotional response to it, I admire its thoughtfulness & demands upon the performer & listener. While hardly "new" this music does indeed invite the listener to a new place in considering its beauty. Not everyone can enjoy a cataclysm but there is a purposefulness & creative design that begs study & appreciation. Art succeeds when it challenges our preconceptions as this music certainly does. (2)
@leomeschew haha ok mach ich, aber vorher geh du wieder in die stadt und vertreib sinnlos deine zeit mit "streichen" damit du dir kein 2. Loch in deinen Arsch vor langeweile bohrst.. Viel spaß noch mit deinem tristen alltag du kindischer trottel
@TektonicRichy das wird kein problem für mich sein aber aufgrund deiner unterirdischen intelligenz hättest du dir natürlich nicht denken können das ich schon in der stadt wohne und nicht erst "herein" fahren muss - du als dorfbewohner kennst das natürlich nicht
also quatsch mir kein zweites loch ins hirn-eins habe ich schon da lasse ich erinnerungen an idioten wie dich hereinverschwinden
@leomeschew Das du ein Loch im Hirn hast, habe ich gleich gewußt. Aber Respekt vor deiner ungeheuren Schlagfertigkeit, nur leider hast du dir grad selber ins Bein geschossen, du Volldepp.
Don't forget, Schoenberg's predecessor's also worked with a system, that required certain ways to modulate, rules of counterpoint and voice leading, and rules that governed meter and rhythm. Mr. S just provided composers a new system that freed what they could do. The 12 tone system is meant to free composers, not limit them, which is exactly what Beethoven and Wagner and Mahler were pushing towards.
You will see the genious of Schoenberg much easier than trying to just listen to it as a whole. Once you have done that, try to find another interesting moment and follow that. I promise this will lead to some insight. For instance, I think the dolce melody at measure 8 is such a sweeping gesture, sort of the middle section of the prelude, a contrasting character to the rather violent opening and ending. From 14 through 16, the music suddenly relaxes again, preparing for the following coda (cont
Mahler to the future. This is completely influenced by their writing and if you open your ears and accept it for what it is, you will be able to hear it. It doesn't require an understanding of how the 12 tone system works (that's just a bonus), it requires an open mind and imagination to take everything. Try this: Listen to the first few bars and try to find some melodic or rhythmic cell that you like or at least find interesting. Then, trace that cell through the piece. You will see (cont)
To the people who like this piece: Don't be condescending towards those who don't like it. People like you give classical music a bad name, of being stuffing.
To the people who don't like this piece: Its hard to listen to this piece with the expectations of listening to earlier music. You wouldn't listen to a Mozart opera trying to hear it as a Wagner Music Drama. There IS something expressive to found in here, Mr. S was just continuing the lineage of Mozart to Beethoven to Mahler to (cont...)
Schoenberg and his followers may have thought they were emancipating dissonance (could he have come up with a more grandiose and self-aggrandizing terminology?), but everyone else still thinks his combinations of notes sound like shit.
@MaestroTJS Harmony is much freer than it was hundreds of years ago, and there is no reason to believe that it won't become even more liberated in the future. Pop songs today use sevenths often and resolve to sixths, which would be unimaginable during the Renaissance or even Baroque periods (excepting Bach, of course).
@CaramelMarshmallow Harmony is freer than it used to be, but one is more likely to encounter Debussian harmony in jazz and pop music than Schoenbergian, and even then, not Debussy's more bizarre harmonies. Most people like to be able to sing along to or have something recognizable as a melody--something not exactly on display very often (or at all) with serial (or even atonal) music. An interesting rhythm is another alternative (rarely or never seen in music such as this).
@CaramelMarshmallow Yeah, I got that although my last message was not clear about it. I'm still skeptical beyond a niche group. (Pop music lately has gotten less complicated as well.) The difference with Debussy and jazz is that their chords are mostly expanded chords (9ths, 13ths, etc.), whereas with Schoenberg, it's dissonance virtually all the time and the chords could be made up of anything, really. I could see people accepting repeated dissonant chords, however (say, in a blues structure).
@mrpankau, ah, it's so wonderful to see an elitist, judgmental attitude. Just because somebody doesn't like this piece, or because he doesn't like atonal music in general does not mean he likes Lady Gaga. It does not make him unsophisticated. Atonal music closely resembles the primitive screeching of barbaric tribes; as such, atonal music could be described as the New Musical Primitivism. Therefore, rejecting atonal music is an intelligent and sophisticated thing to do.
@KhagarBalugrak My friend, you call me an elitist? Bit of a stretch, don't you think? All I did was react to the insulting things people said about Schoenberg, a composer I admire very much. Why come to this page at all if you're just going to leave ugly comments? I came here to enjoy the music, not to find out how much some other people don't enjoy it. If I were a Lady Gaga fan and insulted the music and admirers of Schoenberg, what would I be? An elitist or an close-minded little monster?
@mrpankau, I don't see anybody here praising Lady Gaga. And I apologize for the harshness of my comment. Neverthless, I frequently see classical musicians who love atonal music condemning those that do not as "pedestrian', "limited in intellect", "unsophisticated" and so on. I also see the argument that "if you don't like atonal music, it's because you don't understand it" repeated ad nauseum. It is possible to not like something and still understand it, you know.
@KhagarBalugrak So you're asserting that because this music sounds "primitive" (a very subjective view in of itself) rejecting is thus intelligent. Bravo for your flawless, inscrutable logic (surely even you can deduce the sarcasm). I respect the fact that there are those who don't like this music, but believe me, although it may sound primitive, it is anything but. I have studied this music in depth and it is full of intricate, sophisticated mathematical details and nuances.
@wamlf6571, I like your arrogant, condescending tone. Keep it up, buddy: if you talk to people like that in real life, it will cost you teeth.
My argument for why this music is primitive is its extreme disorganization and dissonance and lack of a foundation. This is not a subjective thing; its randomness and dissonance can be measured empirically.
Music like this consists of pure ego, pure arrogance and pure narcissism. Atonal composers are the ones that take themselves VERY seriously.
@wamlf6571, of course, I am not suggesting music should have no dissonance at all. But past a certain point, dissonance becomes destructive. An analogy for this would be the fact that it's healthy for a person to have a moderate amount of challenge in his life (as people experience internal dissonance when faced with a challenge), but if the challenge becomes too much - say, if someone gets shot in the head - it results at least in suffering, and possibly results in death.
@wamlf6571, however, I don't expect you to see the necessity of balance and moderation in all things. It's clear to me that you are of the opinion "the more dissonance, the better" - an idea, by the way, that is as simplistic and crude as is humanly conceivable - and hence, you are immune to rational discussion about this topic. Sadly, most of classical music academia shares your crude and simplistic view of so-called "musical progress".
@mrpankau, case in point: I understand the Holocaust perfectly well, yet I do not like it, to say the least. I do not like fascism, communism, or any form of totalitarianism, yet I understand these things perfectly well. Although I understand torture, I oppose it with every bone in my body. I am not comparing these things to atonal music; I am just making a point.
The late Gustav Holst loathed atonal music, but he was obviously not an unsophisticated or ignorant man.
@mrpankau, your initial comment seemed to be to be a sneer against people who don't like this type of music. Perhaps I was wrong. Communication over the internet is pretty difficult, isn't it?
What's so special about this piece? I am playing such messy music every day while warming up. After I'm done, I play true masters' music. Anyways, does it mean I may become famous just by pressing random keys?
@Bonizdun I see you don't know how this works... this is mathematics, the notes follow a certain order determined by the composer. Before you say anything, search a little bit before speaking...
@GrupoPatriots What I care about are the emotions. This music is just as you said - mathematics. Deterministic phenomena emerging from chaos are no of any interest to me. Of course you may like it. I do not. Period.
@Bonizdun Note that I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just putting things in a particular point of view. And I know you're also doing the same.
This type of music is just different. This type of musical composition not come from nothing. Before this happens, it took a deconstruction of tonal music to atonal music. For example, Debussy had shown a little of deconstruction in their songs to atonality.
Well... I've just started the Music Academy. And my professor is disappointed of me, that I didn't know Schonberg before. And that I am not interested in contemporary music. Well... more of such, and she won't convince me to be. Some people want me to invent the lightbulb - however, no great inventor was forced to his/her invention. So I don't understand why someone wants me to forget majors and minors. If violin has already been invented, should we give up playing it just because it's old?
@CaramelMarshmallow No, my dear. First of all Schoenberg called it pantonality (considering "atonality" an incorrect term; second: dodecaphony comes after pantonality, and Suite op. 25 is the first dodecaphonic piece based on an only serie. Sorry, this is history ;)
@CaramelMarshmallow Nor the «gamelan» has. So you would say that gamelan is similar to atonality? You are so ignorant, my dear: at least you could say «dodecaphony is ATONAL», but «atonality» (wich is a term Schoenberg refused) is a different thing. Sorry: you're still wrong. In pantonality music tonal centrality is not completely avoided, but certainly rare, although in dodecaphonic music tonal system has completely disappeared. You should read some books before insisting...
Schoenberg's music just lives on and on. I've branched out to many other composers like Elliott Carter, Barraque, Stockhausen etc. but Schoenberg's compositions will always remain perhaps the supreme examples of what can be done with 12 tones.
I want to learn this at some point. This type of music just pulls me in so many direction. To people who say that this music is pointless: No, it isn't. It's actually used in a lot of movie scores.
@rezmogm I thought of that too, but when I looked at the following bars I came up with the idea that it might suggest transition from 6/8 only, over a combined 3/8+1/8 bar, to a full 4/8 bar, which eventually leads to the 6/8 bar again - which is at the same time the combination of two 3/8 bars from the beginning of the first transition... but that's just an idea :-)
@Keytaster That's as good an explanation as any (since we'll never really know). I often write a phrase the first way it occurs to me and will leave it as long as it's readable but my guess is that Mr. S had very specific reasons for everything he put on paper.
@Keytaster Playing 3/8 + 1/8 is not the same as 4/8. In 4/8, the last tempo is weak, should be accented (since is the 4th beat of the compass), in the 3/8 + 1/8 the last beat is accented. He reinforces that information with a "sf" on the 4th beat.
@DailySongRadio Perhaps you should stick to your name, as that is all you can suffice to comprehend. It's quite saddening, really. If you don't understand a music, perhaps it could be due to your lack of an understanding behind it, not the the music itself.
To be honest arnold schoenberg SUCKED when he first started doing stuff if you want a GOOD arnold schoenberg song look up survivour from warsaw or string quartet number 1
@jessegguitar How about pleasant sounds? This random jibberish is very unpleasant to me. Funny how jewish composers always have a similar type of sound to their compositions. Jewish art is also very unsettling to view. Hope I answered your query.
@Gman6755 Antisemitic much? Perhaps part of the unsettling aspects of their art stem from the unsettling things done to them, as a people, throughout history. If you only seek pleasantries, then you do not seek out life.
"So long as the separate art of music had a real organic life-need in it […] there was nowhere to be found a Jewish composer.... Only when a body’s inner death is manifest, do outside elements win the power of lodgement in it—yet merely to destroy it. Then, indeed, that body’s flesh dissolves into a swarming colony of insect life: but who in looking on that body’s self, would hold it still for living?"-Wagner
Calling Schönbergs music unemotive is completely ridiculous because this was his main focus-he wasn't a university composer that was only concerned with theoretical ideas, he actually despised persons like that. His music is full of tragedy, death and raw aggression, he is probably one of the single most expressive composers in history.
Don't hide yourself from music that isn't focussed on positivity. Schönbergs music actually describes the emotive state of the world better than anything else.
@Sarmad939 You got me, I'm a fool for expressing my opinion. Shame on me, should have known to keep my trap shut, what is this, a free country? I'll remember next time. Thanks.
@szopen010101 How is this artificial ? Just because its written outside of diatonic tonality, it still as legitimate as anything written by Mozart. Tonality itself took a while to develop and grew from the largely modal counterpoint and harmony of Renaissance and Middle Ages. Listen to any music written in 1500's and compare it to Bach and Handel, are you going to call them artificial as well because they repressent the next stage of musical development. ?
@szopen010101 (cont) I suggest you just listen to the music and absorb it without judging it and making presumptions. There is plenty of rhythm and emotion here, even if its a lot more abstract.
Hallo Peter, Heb jij deze video op YouTube gezet? Leuk, met die 'real-time'-partituur erbij! Is vast Pollini die dit speelt?
PloegEvert 2 days ago
Music has a power to produce a psychological response in the listener. I find it interesting that the strength of the listener's response might be a consequence of the musical strength of the piece itself. I say "might" because as in all things psychological there is a subjective factor that defies or at least transcends objective rational analysis. Some folks might not even care to debate the artistic merits of one school of music, while holding very strong views of another. (1)
bogeybast 1 week ago
I personally find this music very powerful & while I have mixed emotional response to it, I admire its thoughtfulness & demands upon the performer & listener. While hardly "new" this music does indeed invite the listener to a new place in considering its beauty. Not everyone can enjoy a cataclysm but there is a purposefulness & creative design that begs study & appreciation. Art succeeds when it challenges our preconceptions as this music certainly does. (2)
bogeybast 1 week ago
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MadCoSnareLine 3 weeks ago
@srgtb Pollini
pjc58 3 weeks ago
Keep the bitchfight going...
Metroidhunter07 1 month ago
now I'm tired, Godd Night :)
1993DoubleD 1 month ago
diggah meine ohren sind jetzt am bluten
danke du arsch
leomeschew 2 months ago
@leomeschew ja sag das zu einem der einflußreichsten Komponisten des 20. Jahrhundert du ignorant
TektonicRichy 1 month ago
haha halts maul und guck dein herr tutorial video weiter
leomeschew 1 month ago
@leomeschew haha ok mach ich, aber vorher geh du wieder in die stadt und vertreib sinnlos deine zeit mit "streichen" damit du dir kein 2. Loch in deinen Arsch vor langeweile bohrst.. Viel spaß noch mit deinem tristen alltag du kindischer trottel
TektonicRichy 1 month ago
@TektonicRichy das wird kein problem für mich sein aber aufgrund deiner unterirdischen intelligenz hättest du dir natürlich nicht denken können das ich schon in der stadt wohne und nicht erst "herein" fahren muss - du als dorfbewohner kennst das natürlich nicht
also quatsch mir kein zweites loch ins hirn-eins habe ich schon da lasse ich erinnerungen an idioten wie dich hereinverschwinden
leomeschew 1 month ago
@leomeschew Das du ein Loch im Hirn hast, habe ich gleich gewußt. Aber Respekt vor deiner ungeheuren Schlagfertigkeit, nur leider hast du dir grad selber ins Bein geschossen, du Volldepp.
TektonicRichy 1 month ago
Don't forget, Schoenberg's predecessor's also worked with a system, that required certain ways to modulate, rules of counterpoint and voice leading, and rules that governed meter and rhythm. Mr. S just provided composers a new system that freed what they could do. The 12 tone system is meant to free composers, not limit them, which is exactly what Beethoven and Wagner and Mahler were pushing towards.
1906DS 2 months ago
You will see the genious of Schoenberg much easier than trying to just listen to it as a whole. Once you have done that, try to find another interesting moment and follow that. I promise this will lead to some insight. For instance, I think the dolce melody at measure 8 is such a sweeping gesture, sort of the middle section of the prelude, a contrasting character to the rather violent opening and ending. From 14 through 16, the music suddenly relaxes again, preparing for the following coda (cont
1906DS 2 months ago
Mahler to the future. This is completely influenced by their writing and if you open your ears and accept it for what it is, you will be able to hear it. It doesn't require an understanding of how the 12 tone system works (that's just a bonus), it requires an open mind and imagination to take everything. Try this: Listen to the first few bars and try to find some melodic or rhythmic cell that you like or at least find interesting. Then, trace that cell through the piece. You will see (cont)
1906DS 2 months ago
To the people who like this piece: Don't be condescending towards those who don't like it. People like you give classical music a bad name, of being stuffing.
To the people who don't like this piece: Its hard to listen to this piece with the expectations of listening to earlier music. You wouldn't listen to a Mozart opera trying to hear it as a Wagner Music Drama. There IS something expressive to found in here, Mr. S was just continuing the lineage of Mozart to Beethoven to Mahler to (cont...)
1906DS 2 months ago
@1906DS Stuffy, not stuffing* Sorry! Still have last weeks thanksgiving on the mind... =]
1906DS 2 months ago
kto igraet?
martimtavares 2 months ago
not my style
onotuoedaul 3 months ago
Of course it sounds ugly now, but under Schoenberg's Emancipation of the Dissonance theory, it will be pop music in about 500 years.
CaramelMarshmallow 3 months ago
@CaramelMarshmallow Yeah, I doubt that.
Schoenberg and his followers may have thought they were emancipating dissonance (could he have come up with a more grandiose and self-aggrandizing terminology?), but everyone else still thinks his combinations of notes sound like shit.
MaestroTJS 3 months ago
@MaestroTJS Harmony is much freer than it was hundreds of years ago, and there is no reason to believe that it won't become even more liberated in the future. Pop songs today use sevenths often and resolve to sixths, which would be unimaginable during the Renaissance or even Baroque periods (excepting Bach, of course).
CaramelMarshmallow 3 months ago
@CaramelMarshmallow Harmony is freer than it used to be, but one is more likely to encounter Debussian harmony in jazz and pop music than Schoenbergian, and even then, not Debussy's more bizarre harmonies. Most people like to be able to sing along to or have something recognizable as a melody--something not exactly on display very often (or at all) with serial (or even atonal) music. An interesting rhythm is another alternative (rarely or never seen in music such as this).
MaestroTJS 3 months ago
@MaestroTJS My point is that as time goes on, it is possible that people will like this more despite the dissonances, such as with Debussy and jazz.
CaramelMarshmallow 3 months ago
@CaramelMarshmallow Yeah, I got that although my last message was not clear about it. I'm still skeptical beyond a niche group. (Pop music lately has gotten less complicated as well.) The difference with Debussy and jazz is that their chords are mostly expanded chords (9ths, 13ths, etc.), whereas with Schoenberg, it's dissonance virtually all the time and the chords could be made up of anything, really. I could see people accepting repeated dissonant chords, however (say, in a blues structure).
MaestroTJS 3 months ago
Why did i read Pendulum?
MrSendermen 3 months ago
rubbish
vicentury 3 months ago
I think it's beautiful
hechizerax 3 months ago
I did enjoy this. Everyone else, I'm sorry that you were somehow directed here by accident while trying to watch Lady Gaga videos.
mrpankau 3 months ago
@mrpankau, ah, it's so wonderful to see an elitist, judgmental attitude. Just because somebody doesn't like this piece, or because he doesn't like atonal music in general does not mean he likes Lady Gaga. It does not make him unsophisticated. Atonal music closely resembles the primitive screeching of barbaric tribes; as such, atonal music could be described as the New Musical Primitivism. Therefore, rejecting atonal music is an intelligent and sophisticated thing to do.
KhagarBalugrak 3 months ago
@KhagarBalugrak My friend, you call me an elitist? Bit of a stretch, don't you think? All I did was react to the insulting things people said about Schoenberg, a composer I admire very much. Why come to this page at all if you're just going to leave ugly comments? I came here to enjoy the music, not to find out how much some other people don't enjoy it. If I were a Lady Gaga fan and insulted the music and admirers of Schoenberg, what would I be? An elitist or an close-minded little monster?
mrpankau 3 months ago
@mrpankau, I don't see anybody here praising Lady Gaga. And I apologize for the harshness of my comment. Neverthless, I frequently see classical musicians who love atonal music condemning those that do not as "pedestrian', "limited in intellect", "unsophisticated" and so on. I also see the argument that "if you don't like atonal music, it's because you don't understand it" repeated ad nauseum. It is possible to not like something and still understand it, you know.
KhagarBalugrak 3 months ago
@KhagarBalugrak So you're asserting that because this music sounds "primitive" (a very subjective view in of itself) rejecting is thus intelligent. Bravo for your flawless, inscrutable logic (surely even you can deduce the sarcasm). I respect the fact that there are those who don't like this music, but believe me, although it may sound primitive, it is anything but. I have studied this music in depth and it is full of intricate, sophisticated mathematical details and nuances.
wamlf6571 3 months ago
@wamlf6571, I like your arrogant, condescending tone. Keep it up, buddy: if you talk to people like that in real life, it will cost you teeth.
My argument for why this music is primitive is its extreme disorganization and dissonance and lack of a foundation. This is not a subjective thing; its randomness and dissonance can be measured empirically.
Music like this consists of pure ego, pure arrogance and pure narcissism. Atonal composers are the ones that take themselves VERY seriously.
KhagarBalugrak 3 months ago
@wamlf6571, of course, I am not suggesting music should have no dissonance at all. But past a certain point, dissonance becomes destructive. An analogy for this would be the fact that it's healthy for a person to have a moderate amount of challenge in his life (as people experience internal dissonance when faced with a challenge), but if the challenge becomes too much - say, if someone gets shot in the head - it results at least in suffering, and possibly results in death.
KhagarBalugrak 3 months ago
@wamlf6571, however, I don't expect you to see the necessity of balance and moderation in all things. It's clear to me that you are of the opinion "the more dissonance, the better" - an idea, by the way, that is as simplistic and crude as is humanly conceivable - and hence, you are immune to rational discussion about this topic. Sadly, most of classical music academia shares your crude and simplistic view of so-called "musical progress".
P.S., did you know atonal music kills plants?
KhagarBalugrak 3 months ago
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wamlf6571 3 months ago
@mrpankau, case in point: I understand the Holocaust perfectly well, yet I do not like it, to say the least. I do not like fascism, communism, or any form of totalitarianism, yet I understand these things perfectly well. Although I understand torture, I oppose it with every bone in my body. I am not comparing these things to atonal music; I am just making a point.
The late Gustav Holst loathed atonal music, but he was obviously not an unsophisticated or ignorant man.
KhagarBalugrak 3 months ago
@mrpankau, your initial comment seemed to be to be a sneer against people who don't like this type of music. Perhaps I was wrong. Communication over the internet is pretty difficult, isn't it?
KhagarBalugrak 3 months ago
@mrpankau funny. But I actually watch both ; )
(can you really listen to Schönberg all the time? come on !)
turpinaime 3 months ago
What's so special about this piece? I am playing such messy music every day while warming up. After I'm done, I play true masters' music. Anyways, does it mean I may become famous just by pressing random keys?
Bonizdun 4 months ago
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@Bonizdun please do more research before making yourself such an idiot.
Nekronaut321 4 months ago
@Bonizdun I see you don't know how this works... this is mathematics, the notes follow a certain order determined by the composer. Before you say anything, search a little bit before speaking...
GrupoPatriots 4 months ago
@GrupoPatriots What I care about are the emotions. This music is just as you said - mathematics. Deterministic phenomena emerging from chaos are no of any interest to me. Of course you may like it. I do not. Period.
Bonizdun 4 months ago
@Bonizdun Note that I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just putting things in a particular point of view. And I know you're also doing the same.
This type of music is just different. This type of musical composition not come from nothing. Before this happens, it took a deconstruction of tonal music to atonal music. For example, Debussy had shown a little of deconstruction in their songs to atonality.
GrupoPatriots 4 months ago
Well... I've just started the Music Academy. And my professor is disappointed of me, that I didn't know Schonberg before. And that I am not interested in contemporary music. Well... more of such, and she won't convince me to be. Some people want me to invent the lightbulb - however, no great inventor was forced to his/her invention. So I don't understand why someone wants me to forget majors and minors. If violin has already been invented, should we give up playing it just because it's old?
Virtimera 4 months ago
@Virtimera Schoenberg isn't "contemporary music" but w/e
DannyDaWriter 4 months ago
It's better than peripetie I'll give it that
jonny123321369963 4 months ago 2
I don't mind the atonality. I just wish the rythm had more of a pulse to it.
TheDavid2222 5 months ago
@TheDavid2222 Thi is not 'atonality', this is dodecaphony.
Matteo7419 4 months ago
@Matteo7419 Dodecaphony is atonality.
CaramelMarshmallow 3 months ago
@CaramelMarshmallow No, my dear. First of all Schoenberg called it pantonality (considering "atonality" an incorrect term; second: dodecaphony comes after pantonality, and Suite op. 25 is the first dodecaphonic piece based on an only serie. Sorry, this is history ;)
Matteo7419 3 months ago
@Matteo7419 Atonality means that there is no tonal center. Dodecaphony has no tonal center.
CaramelMarshmallow 3 months ago
@CaramelMarshmallow Nor the «gamelan» has. So you would say that gamelan is similar to atonality? You are so ignorant, my dear: at least you could say «dodecaphony is ATONAL», but «atonality» (wich is a term Schoenberg refused) is a different thing. Sorry: you're still wrong. In pantonality music tonal centrality is not completely avoided, but certainly rare, although in dodecaphonic music tonal system has completely disappeared. You should read some books before insisting...
Matteo7419 3 months ago
@Matteo7419 Now you're just arguing semantics. Dodecaphony is atonal. Is that better?
CaramelMarshmallow 3 months ago
Ça ne vaut pas trois notes de Chopin.
Eldor503 5 months ago
Stuff Hitler did right:
1) Build the autobahn
2) Ban atonal music
nozen4u 5 months ago
@nozen4u I'm overwhelmed by this comment - chilling implications behind this. Wow.
rolfepercussion 4 months ago
Schoenberg's music just lives on and on. I've branched out to many other composers like Elliott Carter, Barraque, Stockhausen etc. but Schoenberg's compositions will always remain perhaps the supreme examples of what can be done with 12 tones.
jdbrown371 6 months ago
Its so demented!!! I love it!!! The complex insane rhythms along with ear raping dissonant tones, beautiful!
mechwarreir2 7 months ago
I want to learn this at some point. This type of music just pulls me in so many direction. To people who say that this music is pointless: No, it isn't. It's actually used in a lot of movie scores.
fissionesque 7 months ago
I just liked the part from 0:42 till the end
RyWhitakerGuitarist 7 months ago
irgendwie in die klaviertasten geschlagen...
cameratutorialz 7 months ago
POINTLESS
SexyHatMan 7 months ago
@SexyHatMan When you listen to this and you began to suffer. You only suffer because you desire a default composition method. Stop desiring.
contrapuntalslunk 5 months ago
this music is just too much
SexyHatMan 7 months ago
fascinating. gotta say, there's a sort of sick glee in seeing how upset people still are by a piece of music getting on 100 years old
TallFastLoud 7 months ago
piece of shit composition
richardrdenisii 7 months ago
gross
Cayo255 8 months ago
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this was very hard to masturbate to
noroko 9 months ago
How do you play one bar in a time signature of 31 / 88?
curiosofsigns 9 months ago
@curiosofsigns its 3/8+1/8
ogolthorp 9 months ago 8
@ogolthorp the big question is... Why didn't he write 4/8? perhaps, we'll never know :-)
Keytaster 8 months ago
@Keytaster Good Question! At first I thought it was to indicate a phrase outline, but it doesn't sound like it.
rezmogm 8 months ago
@rezmogm I thought of that too, but when I looked at the following bars I came up with the idea that it might suggest transition from 6/8 only, over a combined 3/8+1/8 bar, to a full 4/8 bar, which eventually leads to the 6/8 bar again - which is at the same time the combination of two 3/8 bars from the beginning of the first transition... but that's just an idea :-)
Keytaster 8 months ago
@Keytaster That's as good an explanation as any (since we'll never really know). I often write a phrase the first way it occurs to me and will leave it as long as it's readable but my guess is that Mr. S had very specific reasons for everything he put on paper.
rezmogm 8 months ago
@Keytaster Playing 3/8 + 1/8 is not the same as 4/8. In 4/8, the last tempo is weak, should be accented (since is the 4th beat of the compass), in the 3/8 + 1/8 the last beat is accented. He reinforces that information with a "sf" on the 4th beat.
Assislau 7 months ago
@ogolthorp Ah yes that makes a lot more sense. I'm no expert but it's great to try and follow the music anyway. Thanks for clarifying that.
curiosofsigns 7 months ago
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kierkexauss 9 months ago
good peise but not so much iPod material is it. :L
GabrielleWolfmaze 10 months ago
größter bullshit der welt
Makdania 10 months ago
@Makdania Since you wish to be coarse I feel I must respond that you are fool.
Sarmad939 9 months ago
I love this piece. It is so amazing...
liegeofshadows 10 months ago
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DailySongRadio 10 months ago
@DailySongRadio The notes are far from random.
debrucey 10 months ago
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DailySongRadio 10 months ago
@DailySongRadio Perhaps you should stick to your name, as that is all you can suffice to comprehend. It's quite saddening, really. If you don't understand a music, perhaps it could be due to your lack of an understanding behind it, not the the music itself.
inafantasy 10 months ago
Thanks for uploading the sheet music with this! was freakin out.
aikidoka00 11 months ago
To be honest arnold schoenberg SUCKED when he first started doing stuff if you want a GOOD arnold schoenberg song look up survivour from warsaw or string quartet number 1
extremeeXrement1 11 months ago
This is Music for a special kind of musicians not for everyone.
Superhansthemiracle 11 months ago
This sounds like my two yr old nephew pounding mindlessly on the piano. Don't tell me this is music!! It is nonsense!
Gman6755 11 months ago
@Gman6755 music? definition please
jessegguitar 11 months ago
@jessegguitar How about pleasant sounds? This random jibberish is very unpleasant to me. Funny how jewish composers always have a similar type of sound to their compositions. Jewish art is also very unsettling to view. Hope I answered your query.
Gman6755 11 months ago
@Gman6755 pleasant sounds? definition please
jessegguitar 11 months ago
@Gman6755 Why should music have to sound pleasant? And no need for antisemitism.
debrucey 10 months ago
@Gman6755 Antisemitic much? Perhaps part of the unsettling aspects of their art stem from the unsettling things done to them, as a people, throughout history. If you only seek pleasantries, then you do not seek out life.
inafantasy 10 months ago
@Gman6755 You are a fool
Sarmad939 9 months ago
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@Sarmad939 it would appear that YOU are the fool, sarmad!
Gman6755 9 months ago
"So long as the separate art of music had a real organic life-need in it […] there was nowhere to be found a Jewish composer.... Only when a body’s inner death is manifest, do outside elements win the power of lodgement in it—yet merely to destroy it. Then, indeed, that body’s flesh dissolves into a swarming colony of insect life: but who in looking on that body’s self, would hold it still for living?"-Wagner
BELACSAMOHT 11 months ago
i love this! its like a virtouso baby banging on a piano
jessegguitar 11 months ago
lol.. this reminds me of listening to old raw recordings of black metal
jessegguitar 11 months ago
sublime
LasFrambuesas 1 year ago
I did very much enjoy this
vanidar21 1 year ago
Calling Schönbergs music unemotive is completely ridiculous because this was his main focus-he wasn't a university composer that was only concerned with theoretical ideas, he actually despised persons like that. His music is full of tragedy, death and raw aggression, he is probably one of the single most expressive composers in history.
Don't hide yourself from music that isn't focussed on positivity. Schönbergs music actually describes the emotive state of the world better than anything else.
playingmusiconmars 1 year ago
I did not enjoy this.
PatrickWatson 1 year ago 31
@PatrickWatson Big deal! Why did you feel we would like to know?
Sarmad939 9 months ago
@PatrickWatson you are a fool
Sarmad939 9 months ago
@Sarmad939 You got me, I'm a fool for expressing my opinion. Shame on me, should have known to keep my trap shut, what is this, a free country? I'll remember next time. Thanks.
PatrickWatson 9 months ago
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Sarmad939 9 months ago
@PatrickWatson You are a fool
Sarmad939 9 months ago
@PatrickWatson I don't think it's supposed to be enjoyed.
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szopen010101 1 year ago
Funny tune :-)
Makes me think of an angry little dwarf
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szopen010101 1 year ago
@szopen010101 How is this artificial ? Just because its written outside of diatonic tonality, it still as legitimate as anything written by Mozart. Tonality itself took a while to develop and grew from the largely modal counterpoint and harmony of Renaissance and Middle Ages. Listen to any music written in 1500's and compare it to Bach and Handel, are you going to call them artificial as well because they repressent the next stage of musical development. ?
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iamalittlespy 1 year ago
@szopen010101 (cont) I suggest you just listen to the music and absorb it without judging it and making presumptions. There is plenty of rhythm and emotion here, even if its a lot more abstract.
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iamalittlespy 1 year ago
i think Schonberg was a genius behind human menkind.
pokerhome 1 year ago
Great piece
XE1GXG 1 year ago 22
bad
insomniacfan20 1 year ago
@insomniacfan20 shut up! first understand that music, than you can say something about it!
Sebbi1995 1 year ago
@Sebbi1995 k. oh guess what its still bad.
insomniacfan20 1 year ago
@insomniacfan20 rly bad
insomniacfan20 1 year ago
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Sarmad939 9 months ago
Such an amazing piece! It portrays so much emotion! Brilliant!
Irockman1 1 year ago
awesome piece!
johnnynoirman 1 year ago