What does women empowerment have to do with wanting to be sluts? Nothing! And there is something that's called the reclaiming of words, like it has happened in the lesbian community with the word "dyke", so there is nothing wrong with a feminist magazine being called 'bitch magazine', because the readership understands the intended meaning in this context.
women will never be equal until they let themselves be. for the most part its rare for a man to be truly sexist, finding someone physically attractive isnt sexist its biolgy. the feminist movenment its another level of women not being equal because they're segregating themselves into a group comprised of women. not trying to be insulting but putting yourself into a group to promote equality isnt really trying to be equal. i just think feminism is pointless because women are equal, in my country.
wow, you're one dumb shluck. It was clear from the beginning, but you're "3.99 a minute" analogy is a flawed one. Typical, average and flawed. The difference is informed consent. People who pay 3.99 a minute, do so knowing what they are getting. But I suppose you wouldn't know what that means, since you've probably met more women who you would define as a "bitch" than not. Those vast numbers that "don't want to sleep" with you. Guess they are all bitches, since I can't imagine any that would.
You Americans need to put your stuff togheter and stop letting feminists walk over you. Am I a sexist? Who cares, I just hate a disrespectful woman and I never permit her to offend or humiliate me in any way. You guys should try and get over the 'global feminisation' and act like men once used to act!
@slim240293 how can you act like a man when you've been feminized since the day you were born and you didn't have a father in your like to teach you how to be a man. That's how most young american men have been raised
@wamnicho By constantly looking for examples! First of all they have to be aware that they are not acting manly enough, kids nowdays think it's ok to be more feminine and they always wonder why they don't receive positive responses from women. After being aware of that, everything becomes easier. ;)
@slim240293 most of these boys have been forced to act that way by their single mothers and the feminists in the media. why is it that every one alway blames the boys, why don't you also blame the women for not acting more feminine like they used to back in the 1950's. Most women today have been brainwashed to act more masculine, they've been told that being feminine and subservient to a man is oppressive, so any person with half a brain would understand why boys have become feminine
@wamnicho Unfortunately that's true. Traditional gender roles are that women raise both boys and girls, so while girls get good role-models, boys don't. This leads to an endless circle of boys not being raised well therefore not being good fathers to boys who will also be raised poorly to grow up and not be good fathers, nor good men.
@slim240293 That's definitely true. I think it's somewhat natural for men to be in charge, and that if men truly didn't allow feminism or women to be disrespectful, there wouldn't be any. I just that men don't care enough top them.
Feminism is an old, last century term that does not stand for equality. "HUMANISM" is the new present century term that means equality for all. The term humanism is neutral to men, women, to all races etc. Welcome to the next step in our evolution. Please use the word humanism or humanist for equality for all.
@Chulacker Because the pope isn't just a leader, he is supposed to be supernatural, or at least have the ability to communicate with the supernatural. In addition, the pope is worshipped and glorified and as a practicing Catholic, you can't question the pope. There is no equivalent person in atheism.
@christo930 What? Why go to an atheist convention if it's not a church-like activity? To confirm your atheism? Mix atheism and feminism and you get extreme socialism with the state as a god.
Atheism is a religion my friend. Feodor Dostoevski said it best in "The Idiot" ..."close to the perfect religion".
I'm beginning to think this guy would of done us all a huge favor if he had just kept his mouth shut, gone to his room alone, switched to the porn channel and wanked himself into oblivion XD
Did this girl call the police ? Did she try to get the guy arrested ? All she did was make a video saying she didn't like it ! she can do that. Or are we saying, that when a 'man' makes a pass at a woman, they 'have to' say yes.. or at the very least be grateful ? if shes filing a suit, then shes probably a bitch, but shes entitled to say she didn't appreciate it
"Don’t take this the wrong way, but I find you very interesting, and I would like to talk more, would you like to come to my hotel room for coffee?”
That's it. He asked her out and didn't do it in a sleazy way, just in an unfortunately awkward setting. It was his only chance to speak to her, so he took his shot. She declined. That should have been the end of it.
Her response was to paint the guy as a potential rapist.
@morpheusxnyc If its all so completely innocent.. why wait till 4am in the morning and corner her in a elevator ? and had they been drinking at this party ? What about if they go back to his room, talk for a while and she wants to leave but he doesn't want her to go ? Its allot easier saying no on an elevator, than it would be alone in his room with his hand stuck half way up her fucking dress !!!
@GoodByeKyle 1) They were at an atheist convention, not a party. There was no drinking. Her speech ended late, so there was no other opportunity for him to speak to her. He didn't corner her, he happened to get in the elevator with her and recognized her and asked her out.
2) Pretty presumptuous and misandrous to presume that a man who was respectful in how he approached her was going to turn into a violent rapist/grab-ass just because the setting of conversation changed.
@morpheusxnyc she said it started in the 'bar', it was late, she was tired and was going to turn in for the evening, the guy followed her out of the 'bar' and cornered her alone and made his move.
Why not ask her in the 'bar' where there were allot of other people around ?
@GoodByeKyle SHE was at a bar speaking to a bunch of people. Then she said she was tired, called it a night and got into the elevator.
She NEVER SAID HE FOLLOWED HER, nor even that he was one of the "guys" at the bar. You're making assumptions of facts not in evidence and ADDING those details in to create your false narrative.
Secondly, even if he WAS at the bar where she was holding court, who wants to ask a girl out in a crowd of people and face public rejection? You do that in private.
@morpheusxnyc And you are 'assuming' his intentions were honorable, not all men are rapists, but statistically some men ARE ! Basically the guy was chancing his arm, and it was an uncool move
@GoodByeKyle But see, that's EXACTLY the point. I'm not ASSUMING ANYTHING.
YOU ARE. All he did was to RESPECTFULLY ask her up for coffee.
Nobody knows what anyone's intentions are beyond what they say and do. We don't know WHAT his intentions were, good or bad, but the evidence is in his favor.
He was clearly an intelligent free thinker attending a convention where he had purchased tickets and was REGISTERED at the hotel, given that he had a room.
1) She said was tired and left the bar, where she had been holding court for some time. She certainly was not going to go BACK to the bar having just left it after announcing that she was calling it a night. That's silly.
2) No one said ALL he wanted was "coffee". And there's nothing wrong with him wanting MORE! We're wired to reproduce. It's our human nature.
The problem with misandrists is that they assume that if all he could get was coffee, that he would try to RAPE her.
@GoodByeKyle And now you're not only a sexist, but a prude. Nice.
He asked her up for coffee, not sex. But it's natural that he would want to have sex. From a species standpoint, sex/reproduction is what courtship is all about. That's the end game.
But we still enjoy the pursuit, courtship, conversation, intimacy, affection and the entire process.
So yes, it's polite to ask a woman out respectfully because you want to fuck her.
@morpheusxnyc He wants... he wants...? What about what 'she' wants ? which is to be left alone, if he want sex with a stranger at 4am in the morning, then he should go to a whore, not proposition the first girl he happens upon
@GoodByeKyle That not an argument. That's stupidity.
She does not have the right not to be SPOKEN TO. She forfeited that right when she walked out of her home.
She DOES have the right not to respond or not to be harassed once she's declined, but you can't control what stranger initiates conversation with you nor do you have the reasonable expectation that no one should.
Especially given the fact that she's a PUBLIC FIGURE and a SPEAKER at a convention.
@GoodByeKyle Oh, well I don't like it when fat chicks hit on me, but what's a ruggedly handsome, tall, muscular intellectual to do? Smile and say, thanks, but no thanks and move on. Not put up a video about it reframing the common interaction between men and women as some assault upon my entire gender and cognitive liberty like I'm an asexual being or a child for whom a sexualized context is inappropriate.
I don't vlog about Jehovah's Witnesses coming to my door either. I just say, no, thanks.
@morpheusxnyc But you could vlog about Jehovah's Witnesses coming to your door if you didn't like it and wanted to, you're free to express yourself, why won't you extend her the same curtesy without calling her a 'bitch'
@GoodByeKyle If I vlogged that JWs annoy me because I'm an atheist, that's one thing. If I vlog that they are wrong and creepy for ringing my bell and offering me the Watchtower magazine and insinuate some form of violation or potential criminal intent such as molesting my children from merely the act of offering me their reading materials, THEN I'm out of line.
And I'd be an ASSHOLE DOUCHEBAG for having said such inflammatory and indefensible libel against them.
@GoodByeKyle - Listen to how you paint the guy as a likely rapist as well. Most men that try to strike up a conversation with women aren't stealth rapists.
Keep in mind that they are in a HOTEL with video cameras everywhere during a convention of rational free thinkers. And his words showed respect, sincerity, not lecherous intent. He invited her, he wasn't aggressive.
When a man simply asking a woman out politely is reframed as almost an attempted rape by feminists, feminism looks wrong.
@morpheusxnyc The convention went on till late, we stayed in the hotel bar till about half three, four in the morning.. i asked her to come back to my room.. she agreed.. things went a bit to far.. i thought she wanted it your honor !
@morpheusxnyc No woman should ever leave a bar room at four in the morning and go back to the hotel room of a guy she doesn't even know. The best way to avoid date rape.. is not to put yourself in that situation. The 'guy' could of been 'anybody'. If she doesn't know him, how can she be sure he doesn't have any previous convictions ?
@GoodByeKyle And NOW we finally get the heart of the matter - outdated confining gender roles and sexual repression. A sexually liberated woman can do whatever she wants with her body and go with whomever she wants.
Women leave bars/clubs with men (and women) and go back to their places and have sex ALL THE TIME. If you disapprove of that practice, that's on YOU.
But to imply that any man that approaches a woman is a potential rapist is to slander men and infantilize women.
@morpheusxnyc 'a sexually liberated woman can do whatever she wants with her body'
Are we talking about what she wants ? or what you want ? Sexually liberated women often get raped to, and the defence uses the fact they are 'sexually liberated' to paint them as slags and say they were 'asking' for it
@GoodByeKyle And now you've just deployed a Straw Man argument.
"A straw man argument attempts to counter a position by attacking a different position – usually one that is easier to counter. The arguer invents a caricature of his opponent’s position – a “straw man” – that is easily refuted, but not the position that his opponent actually holds."
A sexually liberated woman can do whatever she wants with her body. Period.
Women get raped. Period. Sexually liberated and repressed ones alike.
@GoodByeKyle I personally agree that it's a bad idea for any woman to go anywhere with a stranger - male or female. But there are mitigating factors.
If you're in a public location with a person who's known and easily identifiable - especially if there's video of you two, then the risk of danger is reduced.
But silliness like, "how can she be sure he doesn't have any previous convictions" is as silly as a man asking, "How can I be sure she's not a gold digger/Black Widow killer"?
@morpheusxnyc My point is if you are going to ask a girl back to your room for 'coffee', you ought to get to know her first, and let her get to know you. Its wrong to proposition someone you don't even know
@GoodByeKyle Well, thank goodness we have the sexual moral police here to let us know what types of sexual behavior are "right" and "wrong" between two consenting, sexually liberated adults.
Want to codify that in a book of some kind? Preferably written in an old style of speech with a lot of Thous and Thees.
And of course, we should only ask out people we already know. You know.. like our female coworkers. Oh, wait...
YOU said, "Its wrong to proposition someone you don't even know".
I said, "Well, thank goodness we have the sexual moral police here to let us know what types of sexual behavior are "right" and "wrong" between two consenting, sexually liberated adults.", referring to your couching mammalian courtship rituals and consensual sexuality as right or wrong.
He asked respectfully, she said no, the issue was dropped. He took no for an answer.
@morpheusxnyc She was hit on, said she didn't like it, and was vilified for it, your attitude is, its a mans 'right' to hit on ANY woman he sees. What about if i see your mother on a bus.. and i say 'hey baby, fucky fucky ?'
Bullshit ! he didn't ask this girl out on a 'date' with a view to going steady, what he was basically saying is.. 'come back to my place and i'll smack it for ya !' which 'isn't' very respectful
@GoodByeKyle What kind of Leave It To Beaver/Happy Days world do you live in where anything other than "going steady" is disrespectful?
So if a sexually liberated woman wants to have a one night stand or just have some male company for one night or just see a man occasionally for sex, but without the complications of a relationship, she's a whore/slag/slut and not respectable?
That's EXACTLY the kind of sexist, throwback gender role thinking feminists deplore.
its not disrespectful for a woman to sleep around if she wants to, her body.. her choice. What's disrespectful is going up to a strange woman on an elevator you don't even know, and asking her to sleep with you
He never asked her to SLEEP with him and I frankly doubt he even had an expectation that even if she did go up, she would. I don't even know if he would be ready for that, given his supposed nerdiness.
He's seems from all accounts, a thoughtful, intelligent person clearly interested in dialogue and rational discourse. He pretty much would have to be to attend a CONFERENCE on atheism and BOOK A HOTEL ROOM.
@morpheusxnyc He 'didn't ask to sleep with her ??? He said do you want to come back to my place for 'coffee' which is 'clearly' a euphemism for sex ! why the hell would she want a cup of coffee at 4am in the morning ?
(when shes about to go to bed... on her own... without being fucked by some random guy she ran into along the way)
@GoodByeKyle And now you're back to the prudish, sexist argument where you're saying it's WRONG for men and women to desire each other sexually and court each other.
If she had met a handsome, intelligent dashing convention speaker and decided she wanted to invite him up for coffee, would you be railing against her? Would you be calling her a potential rapist or some other such slur for expressing sexual interest in a man?
@morpheusxnyc Its not wrong for men to fancy women.. but it can be inappropriate to act on it. And he was objectifying her.. he saw her as a pussy and nothing more, he didn't want to get to know her 'personally' as an 'individual', If all he wanted was to get to know her, why not just ask for her number, her e-mail address ?
@GoodByeKyle Your playing language games. "Fancy" vs. "want to have sex". It MEANS THE SAME THING. Reproduction and its attendant urges in both men and women are hard wired biological imperatives. They are NATURAL, GOOD and NECESSARY for the continuation of our species.
If your arguing that seeing a woman (your sexual counterpart as a male of the species and that which biology drives you to desire and pursue in order to mate with) as a woman and desiring her as such is WRONG, you're FUCKNUTS.
@GoodByeKyle - I disagree. It's perfectly natural to act on your desires. Just go about doing so in a smooth, suave, respectful way.
Hominidae developed language so we wouldn't just chase them down and rape them like the other animals.
"Don’t take this the wrong way, but I find you very interesting, and I would like to talk more, would you like to come to my hotel room for coffee?" is a HUGE step up from killing the current alpha male and his male offspring, then tacklefucking the females.
@morpheusxnyc 'It's perfectly natural to act on your desires'
yeah, if you're a wild animal with NO self control ! and what about if he 'desires' to rape her ? should he act on that one as well ? Just because he 'desires' it doesn't make it okay
Acting on your desires doesn't mean RAPE. Your mind is in the gutter.
Remember, rape isn't about desire. It's about power and control. So a man, who respectfully asks a woman up for coffee and conversation, who's a registered guest at the hotel, having just attended a convention of enlightened free thinkers is HIGHLY UNLIKELY to be some savage, barely contained rapist looking to begin a rampage.
The facts and math just aren't on the side of your argument.
@morpheusxnyc You keep saying 'respectful' like that makes it okay.. theres nothing 'respectful' about propositioning a woman you don't even know, if he truly respected her he'd leave her the hell alone
@GoodByeKyle - Ok, here's where you and the rest of humanity and its history diverge. I don't know where you come from, but in the rest of the world, you go out, meet people you've never met before, strike up conversations and make connections; or in some cases hook up.
You're not restricted to only those who you KNOW. That's contrary to genetic diversity.
If pursuing only those you personally know is really your argument, then biology dictates you've already lost this argument.
@GoodByeKyle You've offered up a fallacious argument predicated on biology being wrong, like religious people claiming that homosexuality is wrong or unnatural. You lose by the surfeit of historical evidence, genetics and reality being against you.
And as for asking for sex right away, AGAIN, that's NOT what happened, nor what he said, so you're misrepresenting the facts in order to argue a point you find easier to stake out.
@GoodByeKyle Due, "good morning" is a euphemism for sex if you're interested in a woman, so that's not an argument at all.
Grow some balls. There's no need to hide your sexual interest in a woman from a woman. You come off as timid and lacking confidence. REAL women don't dig emasculated wusses. Be respectful and smooth in how you strike up conversation with a woman, but don't apologize for being a sexual being.
It makes you sound sad and weak. The pussification of men is a tragedy.
@GoodByeKyle Male human sees an attractive female and wants to start a conversation with her in the hopes of courting her and mating with her says, "Would you like to come up for coffee".
Less smooth male human sees an attractive female and wants to start a conversation with her in the hopes of courting her and mating with her says, "Good morning. That's a lovely sweater you have on".
@GoodByeKyle Well, it's Friday night, so I'm off to "talk crap" to pretty women and have some fun. Enjoy your weekend of masturbating to femdom porn in your gimp suit. XD
@morpheusxnyc Aww.. are you tired little man ? off ya go then, up the wooden hills.., and if you meet any strange girls along the way, don't try to fuck 'em.. you dickless peace of shit !
i done told you once you son of a bitch, i'm the best thats ever bin XD
@GoodByeKyle And now you're arguing courtship tactics and semantics? Why didn't he ask he ask her to breakfast? Why didn't he ask her for her Email address? WHat about her business card?
Uh, maybe because he knows she's not FROM that country, will be going back home shortly and this is his only chance to spend time with her, regardless if for conversation, debate, sex or for a marriage proposal!
It's his only shot at seeing her in the flesh and he wanted to spend time with her B4 she left.
@morpheusxnyc It's his only shot at seeing her in the "flesh" !!!
hey babe, i would like to get to know you better... but i'm kind of in a hurry... so would it be okay if i fucked ya right away ??? i got the blue balls something fierce !
with romance like that i'm surprised they didn't get married :D
@GoodByeKyle She was a visitor to his country from the USA. She's not going to be there tomorrow. Even if all he wants to do is talk to her in person with no hopes of anything more, that's his only chance.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained and you'll never know unless you ask.
And remember, he didn't say what YOU said, he said, "don’t take this the wrong way, but I find you very interesting, and I would like to talk more, would you like to come to my hotel room for coffee?"
@GoodByeKyle Of course! Nothing beats a "Can't" but a "Try".
How will you know if you don't ask/try?
What if she thought he was handsome and funny and confident and while she would normally say no, said yes and they went up and had an amazing few hours of stimulating conversation and she felt she met the person of her dreams?
Or just made a new friend/professional contact?
Or what if they wild, intellectual atheist sex? lol
Oh, no! Skepchick just got laid by someone WORTH fucking!
@GoodByeKyle And she wasn't vilified for not liking it. She was vilified, and rightly so for vilifying the guy SIMPLY for OFFERING.
She used the word "sexualize" as if she was ASEXUAL or a CHILD, and hence someone expressing sexual interest in her was wildly inappropriate.
She spoke about as if she wasn't a human female evolved to mate with males of her species and that innate sexual attraction and courtship between the sexes was wrong.
THAT'S why she was pilloried. For being a misandrist.
@morpheusxnyc he wasn't 'simply offering himself'... he was also 'asking' for 'her'.. and just because she used the word '"sexualize" that automatically means shes a misandrist and a bitch ?
@GoodByeKyle You're misquoting me.This could even be strawman #4 for you!
Using respectful language, and prefacing it with a codicil, a man offered a woman he found attractive coffee and conversation in a more private setting hoping to get to know her personally. Period.
The woman then turned around and publicly reframed the encounter as a creepy near-rape experience where the man was wrong for even SPEAKING to her, using her own state of mind as the justification.
@GoodByeKyle They're in a hotel. If they had coffee and conversation and she decided to end the chat, she could easily retire to her room in a few minutes. Not so if she leaves the hotel to go to Starbucks.
Plus, NOW you're advocating she LEAVE the hotel with a total stranger and go someone in a foreign city?! Are you mad? What, are you trying to get her Natalee Hollowayed?!
And for the record, if a cute woman I met at Starbucks wanted me to "get to know her pussy intimately", why not?! :-D
@GoodByeKyle She said she hates it when men "sexualize" her - as if she wasn't a sexual being or didn't have an anatomical sex as part of the homo sapiens sapiens species.
If she had JUST said that she felt uncomfortable being hit on in an elevator where she can't leave at will, NO ONE COULD FAULT HER. That shit is awkward.
But no, HER argument was that it was that it was WRONG for a male to speak to with interest in her as a female. THAT'S fucking CRAZY and it's feminism gone AWRY.
If people would stop dreaming of one true love. Grow up find a spouse to marry. You can be friends with a women. You don't need to sleep with her to get her to be your wife. Just talk. Women out number men greatly. If everyone found true love ... some women will be upset. Polygamy existed before and still does. I would have one wife though.
ALSO, the situations you compared are completely different. You say "what if a man says something crude to a strange woman".You didn't describe the exact circumstance. Is this taking place in a bus? On a dark alley? However, when you make the comparison with the woman saying crude things to a strange man, you refer to web chat, and let us not forget that men visit these websites on purpose, in other words, they WANT to hear crude stuff. Your thinking is so bad, I could not bear to listen more.
Let us suppose that you have a man and a women who are not associated in any way. In the first situation, the man talks dirty to the woman and she does not appreciate it. She feels frightened because the man might sexually assault her if he wanted to: the women feels in danger. In the second situation, the women talks dirty to the man and he does not appreciate it. The man will probably feel confused, but not frightened: she is not an actual threat. So your argument is completely flawed.
Okay. Suppose that a 200lb woman talks dirty to a 130lb man. What then?
Exactly. You're being so ridiculous.
What if the guy was Brad Pitt? As opposed to a skinny nerd? I wager that far fewer women would complain about it. Some might - but you and I both know that many fewer would.
If he didn't actually do anything and he did not threaten anything, then nothing is wrong.
@auracatalina that's the most asinine fictional scenario I've read. you said the situation is strictly the difference between a man and a woman making unwanted passes at each other, and in your scenario the man making a pass is intimidating, while the woman making an unwanted pass at the man is simply "confusing". what alot of crap, you've painted a scene entirely without circumstance and you're making these crazy extrapolations from it. you have a real problem of gender prejudice.
@truthslap First of all, please mind your language when you are talking to a person you do not know. Lack of basic education. Second of all, I do not consider myself "gender prejudiced", but maybe I should because I sure did have to listen to a lot of crude language from unknown man on the street although I do not behave or dress like a slut. You don't know how it feels because you have never felt threatened while you are just walking on the street minding your own business. No replies, thanks.
@auracatalina mind my language?? what sort of ruckus are you trying to stir, what did I say that was even remotely offensive or ad hominem? you are a crazy person and I'll gladly take your offer for no further replies, I've no intention of trying to change the mind of some socially self-obsessed crazy person.
@Kiltmaster You OBVIOUSLY did not read what I said. I was referring STRICTLY to the situation where the man/woman does not appreciate being addressed in an obscene manner. As a result, your arguments do not refute my statements. Of course, there are numerous other possible situations and I did not have an intention to cover them all. Also, if you want to give some examples, at least give some REALISTIC examples. Brad Pitt talking dirty to a woman? Come on.
Asking someone out is not sexual harassment. Women overreact and brew in victimology. Just because a guy asks you out doesn't mean he's -a rapist -a molester -a creep. Of course had the dude on the elevator been good looking in the woman's eyes the story would have been completely different. If he looked like a young brad pitt I bet there's a chance that she would have 'sexually harassed" him by batting eyelashes his way. LOL.
@NotADood Yes, but I gave you the answer I think is the most rational, and this woman chose to be the sad victim for simply being asked a question, pathetic.
A guy at work told me if I don't want to get sexually harassed at work I should hide my sexual attractiveness. I never show skin, always wear loose clothes, dress in plain clothes. Harassment isn't about sex. It's about harassment. Same as rape. It's about domination and power. Doesn't he know women covered in burkhas get harassed, raped, beaten and stoned to death every day? It's not my job to hide from abusive men. It's mens job to not be abusive. Talk about projection of responsibility.
Your rant is completely unrelated to the video. I didn't hear him once say "she deserved to be harassed because of what she was wearing". In fact I don't even think he MENTIONED what she was wearing. It's as if you didn't even watch the video, you just heard "harassment" then decided to go on a rant regardless of whether it addressed ANY of the points made in the video. He was asking "what is sexual harassment?" not saying "harassment is acceptable when ______"
You're lying. He didn't ask her out. He asked her back to his hotel room in the middle of the night. What do you think his intentions were. A nice date, or date rape.
All the things that I have done to women they just seem to like it rather than not. I usually open with compliment since it simply seem to work better. Gotta love living in EU
One shouldn't hate the concept of feminism. It stands for gender equality. Double standards are not a part of gender equality. It is sad that this movement is often misinterpreted...
@Bauch373 "Gender Equality" is a bullshit fantasy because all men are not equal to each other in the first place. So WHICH MEN do feminists want to be equal to?
Feminists are dishonest: they don't want to be equal to Black men or working class men. They want to be equal only to white, middle class men.
you misunderstand the point of slut walks... they are to bring awareness to the fact that many woman are the victims of violence and sexual assault... and what the woman wears or their sexual history has nothing to do with it... it is a demonstration in reaction to a police officer's statement to college woman in reference to staying safe on campus... he said something along the lines of "don't dress like a slut."
a woman should have the right to wear whatever without fear of assault.
@dadagodot Not really. If a female dresses like a slut she will attract the attention of our less noble brethren. So women want to encourage rape and then blame other people? LOL!
@Bleakunending Rape is quite prevalent in societies where women are legally required to cover themselves head-to-toe - probably more than it is here, so obviously "a female dresses like a slut..." is just an excuse that rapists use.
@Bleakunending That would contradict all those recent that have come out in recent years indicating that Europeans and Americans (including judges and juries and cops) have a really strong tendency to disbelieve and/or blame sexual assault victims, especially if they're female.
@NotADood Females are empowered in our society so I wouldn't imagine such studies to be accurate. Mysandry or whatever it's called is also in force. I watched a good video about that and it really opened my eyes. Anyway, feminism and all that, it's just another tool for division as far as I'm concerned, just like the class warfare of Communism. So it doesn't bother me, women are treated fine by our laws in European countries and the US/Canada. So I'm not worried.
@NotADood If you're a woman, it's your choice, you can dress revealingly and risk the attention of savages, or you can dress honourably and shun slut culture which is so permeating for females. You can see it whatever way you want. But it's a woman's choice and she shouldn't blame other people for getting raped...least of all is it a conspiracy of men to let women get raped. I'm a 'dood' and I don't want women to get raped, I want them to feel safe to walk aroud. But it's not my choice!
@Bleakunending Whatever a woman wears or does, there's always a man around to stand in judgement whether she's slutty or frumpy or flirtatious or unfriendly or should lose some weight or needs to put some meat on her bones or talks to much or isn't conversational enough . . ,. if men were ever held to the same standards they hold women at threat of "consequences" like sexual assault, you'd all lose your minds. Get some tits and walk around for a few years then tell me something.
@NotADood You're acting like women don't do the same. Wearing skinny or baggy jeans, tshirts, sweaters or a suit all changes the way a man is judged. Men don't go to the gym for entertainment purposes you know. Im pretty sure that a man with a washboard for abs will be lusted after just the same :/.
@NotADood I don't blame them! Just because some girl says "He raped me!!" that proves she's telling the truth?? Specially when you know that lots of women love to play the "I'm a victim" card?? I don't blame the judges! If some girl come at me saying "He raped me!!!" I would not act immediatly...i would say "relax" and i would try to know more information about the situation...Jesus Christ...you are soooo naive lady...
>women
>having rights
pick one
KyuubiNaruto1337XD 19 hours ago
Haha hes funny
jmdesilu 1 week ago
it's only sexual harrassment if you're ugly
Tris67 2 weeks ago
I think you've made a very good video.
8bobthebuilder 3 weeks ago
Poor Dick-Dawk! If he's the pope of atheism, he is probably a Borgia pope.
brtta40clbr 3 weeks ago
What does women empowerment have to do with wanting to be sluts? Nothing! And there is something that's called the reclaiming of words, like it has happened in the lesbian community with the word "dyke", so there is nothing wrong with a feminist magazine being called 'bitch magazine', because the readership understands the intended meaning in this context.
minalisaloy 3 weeks ago
FemiNazi sees her chance for 15 minutes of fame.
He's lucky she didn't come over for coffee and let him bang her. Then she would have been blogging about how she had been raped.
Get over yourself bitch.
coynedogg 3 weeks ago
Is a guy asking out a girl sexual harassment?....no
next question
yunged 4 weeks ago
funny!
MrTalktothebear 1 month ago
Here's a new word for you - Misandry: A hatred of men.
splooged 1 month ago 7
@splooged You have to wonder why that word is almost unknown.
MrWhadayaknow 1 month ago
@MrWhadayaknow There's misanthropic, but that refers to all humanity.
MrWhadayaknow 1 month ago
well at least christian girls are good at sucking dadies big dick
erdal0 1 month ago
women will never be equal until they let themselves be. for the most part its rare for a man to be truly sexist, finding someone physically attractive isnt sexist its biolgy. the feminist movenment its another level of women not being equal because they're segregating themselves into a group comprised of women. not trying to be insulting but putting yourself into a group to promote equality isnt really trying to be equal. i just think feminism is pointless because women are equal, in my country.
TheRagdollrejects 1 month ago 2
wow, you're one dumb shluck. It was clear from the beginning, but you're "3.99 a minute" analogy is a flawed one. Typical, average and flawed. The difference is informed consent. People who pay 3.99 a minute, do so knowing what they are getting. But I suppose you wouldn't know what that means, since you've probably met more women who you would define as a "bitch" than not. Those vast numbers that "don't want to sleep" with you. Guess they are all bitches, since I can't imagine any that would.
LikesTruth 1 month ago
How can anyone take this guy seriously? He's unintelligent enough to believe there is a god.
aDislikeBot 1 month ago
Ha! the midget joke was priceless...
ProletarianTakeover 1 month ago
I agree, this woman was ridiculous.
moonlightkisu 1 month ago
You Americans need to put your stuff togheter and stop letting feminists walk over you. Am I a sexist? Who cares, I just hate a disrespectful woman and I never permit her to offend or humiliate me in any way. You guys should try and get over the 'global feminisation' and act like men once used to act!
slim240293 1 month ago
@slim240293 how can you act like a man when you've been feminized since the day you were born and you didn't have a father in your like to teach you how to be a man. That's how most young american men have been raised
wamnicho 1 month ago
@wamnicho By constantly looking for examples! First of all they have to be aware that they are not acting manly enough, kids nowdays think it's ok to be more feminine and they always wonder why they don't receive positive responses from women. After being aware of that, everything becomes easier. ;)
slim240293 1 month ago
@slim240293 most of these boys have been forced to act that way by their single mothers and the feminists in the media. why is it that every one alway blames the boys, why don't you also blame the women for not acting more feminine like they used to back in the 1950's. Most women today have been brainwashed to act more masculine, they've been told that being feminine and subservient to a man is oppressive, so any person with half a brain would understand why boys have become feminine
wamnicho 1 month ago
@wamnicho I'm not blaming the guys for this, I'm blaming the media and the modern society, just like you. I know very well what caused this.
All I'm saying is that boys should be aware of this and make efforts to change into becoming real men. Everything clear now? :)
slim240293 1 month ago
@slim240293 Yes, it's clear that you are an idiot. Thanks.
MrShadowfax42 1 month ago 2
@MrShadowfax42 Don't bother bringing arguments...Why I'm I an idiot?
slim240293 1 month ago
@wamnicho Unfortunately that's true. Traditional gender roles are that women raise both boys and girls, so while girls get good role-models, boys don't. This leads to an endless circle of boys not being raised well therefore not being good fathers to boys who will also be raised poorly to grow up and not be good fathers, nor good men.
1324354657687988 1 month ago
@slim240293 That's definitely true. I think it's somewhat natural for men to be in charge, and that if men truly didn't allow feminism or women to be disrespectful, there wouldn't be any. I just that men don't care enough top them.
1324354657687988 1 month ago
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hurc662000 1 month ago
I laughed at your definition of a bitch (: very good!
sloosh6000 1 month ago
You were never an atheist. Nobody who was ever an atheist would say that Richard Dawkins is an atheist version of a pope.
christo930 1 month ago 14
@christo930 lol he gave up Christianity for Lent lol
tetrahydroscope 1 month ago
@tetrahydroscope That was probably the best line in the video.
christo930 1 month ago
@christo930
I'm just curious, how does not believing in god/gods prevent you from thinking/saying that?
Chulacker 1 month ago
@Chulacker Because the pope isn't just a leader, he is supposed to be supernatural, or at least have the ability to communicate with the supernatural. In addition, the pope is worshipped and glorified and as a practicing Catholic, you can't question the pope. There is no equivalent person in atheism.
christo930 1 month ago
@christo930 What? Why go to an atheist convention if it's not a church-like activity? To confirm your atheism? Mix atheism and feminism and you get extreme socialism with the state as a god.
Atheism is a religion my friend. Feodor Dostoevski said it best in "The Idiot" ..."close to the perfect religion".
Lepiratepoulpe 7 hours ago
I'm beginning to think this guy would of done us all a huge favor if he had just kept his mouth shut, gone to his room alone, switched to the porn channel and wanked himself into oblivion XD
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
Did this girl call the police ? Did she try to get the guy arrested ? All she did was make a video saying she didn't like it ! she can do that. Or are we saying, that when a 'man' makes a pass at a woman, they 'have to' say yes.. or at the very least be grateful ? if shes filing a suit, then shes probably a bitch, but shes entitled to say she didn't appreciate it
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle @GoodByeKyle - Here's what the guy ACTUALLY said:
"Don’t take this the wrong way, but I find you very interesting, and I would like to talk more, would you like to come to my hotel room for coffee?”
That's it. He asked her out and didn't do it in a sleazy way, just in an unfortunately awkward setting. It was his only chance to speak to her, so he took his shot. She declined. That should have been the end of it.
Her response was to paint the guy as a potential rapist.
Bitch.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc If its all so completely innocent.. why wait till 4am in the morning and corner her in a elevator ? and had they been drinking at this party ? What about if they go back to his room, talk for a while and she wants to leave but he doesn't want her to go ? Its allot easier saying no on an elevator, than it would be alone in his room with his hand stuck half way up her fucking dress !!!
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle 1) They were at an atheist convention, not a party. There was no drinking. Her speech ended late, so there was no other opportunity for him to speak to her. He didn't corner her, he happened to get in the elevator with her and recognized her and asked her out.
2) Pretty presumptuous and misandrous to presume that a man who was respectful in how he approached her was going to turn into a violent rapist/grab-ass just because the setting of conversation changed.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc she said it started in the 'bar', it was late, she was tired and was going to turn in for the evening, the guy followed her out of the 'bar' and cornered her alone and made his move.
Why not ask her in the 'bar' where there were allot of other people around ?
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle SHE was at a bar speaking to a bunch of people. Then she said she was tired, called it a night and got into the elevator.
She NEVER SAID HE FOLLOWED HER, nor even that he was one of the "guys" at the bar. You're making assumptions of facts not in evidence and ADDING those details in to create your false narrative.
Secondly, even if he WAS at the bar where she was holding court, who wants to ask a girl out in a crowd of people and face public rejection? You do that in private.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc And you are 'assuming' his intentions were honorable, not all men are rapists, but statistically some men ARE ! Basically the guy was chancing his arm, and it was an uncool move
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle But see, that's EXACTLY the point. I'm not ASSUMING ANYTHING.
YOU ARE. All he did was to RESPECTFULLY ask her up for coffee.
Nobody knows what anyone's intentions are beyond what they say and do. We don't know WHAT his intentions were, good or bad, but the evidence is in his favor.
He was clearly an intelligent free thinker attending a convention where he had purchased tickets and was REGISTERED at the hotel, given that he had a room.
Hardly a getaway setup for a criminal.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc asked her up for 'coffee' !!! if coffee was all he wanted they could of got that at the bar !
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle
1) She said was tired and left the bar, where she had been holding court for some time. She certainly was not going to go BACK to the bar having just left it after announcing that she was calling it a night. That's silly.
2) No one said ALL he wanted was "coffee". And there's nothing wrong with him wanting MORE! We're wired to reproduce. It's our human nature.
The problem with misandrists is that they assume that if all he could get was coffee, that he would try to RAPE her.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc 'And there's nothing wrong with him wanting MORE'
Its considered impolite to go up to a girl you don't even know and ask her if you can fuck her !
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle And now you're not only a sexist, but a prude. Nice.
He asked her up for coffee, not sex. But it's natural that he would want to have sex. From a species standpoint, sex/reproduction is what courtship is all about. That's the end game.
But we still enjoy the pursuit, courtship, conversation, intimacy, affection and the entire process.
So yes, it's polite to ask a woman out respectfully because you want to fuck her.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc He wants... he wants...? What about what 'she' wants ? which is to be left alone, if he want sex with a stranger at 4am in the morning, then he should go to a whore, not proposition the first girl he happens upon
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle That not an argument. That's stupidity.
She does not have the right not to be SPOKEN TO. She forfeited that right when she walked out of her home.
She DOES have the right not to respond or not to be harassed once she's declined, but you can't control what stranger initiates conversation with you nor do you have the reasonable expectation that no one should.
Especially given the fact that she's a PUBLIC FIGURE and a SPEAKER at a convention.
Your argument is pure misandry.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc But she 'does' have the right to say she didn't appreciate being hit on like that.. which is all she did.
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle Oh, well I don't like it when fat chicks hit on me, but what's a ruggedly handsome, tall, muscular intellectual to do? Smile and say, thanks, but no thanks and move on. Not put up a video about it reframing the common interaction between men and women as some assault upon my entire gender and cognitive liberty like I'm an asexual being or a child for whom a sexualized context is inappropriate.
I don't vlog about Jehovah's Witnesses coming to my door either. I just say, no, thanks.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc But you could vlog about Jehovah's Witnesses coming to your door if you didn't like it and wanted to, you're free to express yourself, why won't you extend her the same curtesy without calling her a 'bitch'
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle If I vlogged that JWs annoy me because I'm an atheist, that's one thing. If I vlog that they are wrong and creepy for ringing my bell and offering me the Watchtower magazine and insinuate some form of violation or potential criminal intent such as molesting my children from merely the act of offering me their reading materials, THEN I'm out of line.
And I'd be an ASSHOLE DOUCHEBAG for having said such inflammatory and indefensible libel against them.
So yes, she was a BITCH.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle - Listen to how you paint the guy as a likely rapist as well. Most men that try to strike up a conversation with women aren't stealth rapists.
Keep in mind that they are in a HOTEL with video cameras everywhere during a convention of rational free thinkers. And his words showed respect, sincerity, not lecherous intent. He invited her, he wasn't aggressive.
When a man simply asking a woman out politely is reframed as almost an attempted rape by feminists, feminism looks wrong.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc The convention went on till late, we stayed in the hotel bar till about half three, four in the morning.. i asked her to come back to my room.. she agreed.. things went a bit to far.. i thought she wanted it your honor !
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle Pathetic. When you paint every man who asks a woman out - even respectfully as a potential rapist, then you're a misandrist.
Look at the Lifetime movie scenario you concocted to justify that ridiculous characterization and reframing of the encounter.
By your logic, NO woman should EVER go over to ANY man's apartment/place/room etc. because ALL men are rapists just waiting for the chance.
You're disgusting.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc No woman should ever leave a bar room at four in the morning and go back to the hotel room of a guy she doesn't even know. The best way to avoid date rape.. is not to put yourself in that situation. The 'guy' could of been 'anybody'. If she doesn't know him, how can she be sure he doesn't have any previous convictions ?
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle And NOW we finally get the heart of the matter - outdated confining gender roles and sexual repression. A sexually liberated woman can do whatever she wants with her body and go with whomever she wants.
Women leave bars/clubs with men (and women) and go back to their places and have sex ALL THE TIME. If you disapprove of that practice, that's on YOU.
But to imply that any man that approaches a woman is a potential rapist is to slander men and infantilize women.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc 'a sexually liberated woman can do whatever she wants with her body'
Are we talking about what she wants ? or what you want ? Sexually liberated women often get raped to, and the defence uses the fact they are 'sexually liberated' to paint them as slags and say they were 'asking' for it
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle And now you've just deployed a Straw Man argument.
"A straw man argument attempts to counter a position by attacking a different position – usually one that is easier to counter. The arguer invents a caricature of his opponent’s position – a “straw man” – that is easily refuted, but not the position that his opponent actually holds."
A sexually liberated woman can do whatever she wants with her body. Period.
Women get raped. Period. Sexually liberated and repressed ones alike.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc And the straw man you're 'inventing' has a halo round is head !
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle Womp womp....
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle I personally agree that it's a bad idea for any woman to go anywhere with a stranger - male or female. But there are mitigating factors.
If you're in a public location with a person who's known and easily identifiable - especially if there's video of you two, then the risk of danger is reduced.
But silliness like, "how can she be sure he doesn't have any previous convictions" is as silly as a man asking, "How can I be sure she's not a gold digger/Black Widow killer"?
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc My point is if you are going to ask a girl back to your room for 'coffee', you ought to get to know her first, and let her get to know you. Its wrong to proposition someone you don't even know
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle Well, thank goodness we have the sexual moral police here to let us know what types of sexual behavior are "right" and "wrong" between two consenting, sexually liberated adults.
Want to codify that in a book of some kind? Preferably written in an old style of speech with a lot of Thous and Thees.
And of course, we should only ask out people we already know. You know.. like our female coworkers. Oh, wait...
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc 'between two consenting, sexually liberated adults'
She wasn't 'consenting' !!! she didn't want to. you guys just can't take NO for an answer !!!
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle Straw man #2
YOU said, "Its wrong to proposition someone you don't even know".
I said, "Well, thank goodness we have the sexual moral police here to let us know what types of sexual behavior are "right" and "wrong" between two consenting, sexually liberated adults.", referring to your couching mammalian courtship rituals and consensual sexuality as right or wrong.
He asked respectfully, she said no, the issue was dropped. He took no for an answer.
You have no argument about HIM.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc She was hit on, said she didn't like it, and was vilified for it, your attitude is, its a mans 'right' to hit on ANY woman he sees. What about if i see your mother on a bus.. and i say 'hey baby, fucky fucky ?'
Would that be o.k. ?
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle Straw man #3 with you.
He was RESPECTFUL. She was RESPECTFULLY asked out. Period.
She wasn't interest in his offer and declined. No big deal.
And YES, any PERSON has the right to speak to or ask out ANY OTHER PERSON they find attractive. My mother included.
If someone offers you a flyer, you don't have to take it and they are not harassing you/assaulting/denigrating your personhood by making the offer.
If you take it as such, YOU'RE the one with the problem - not them.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc 'She was RESPECTFULLY asked out'
Bullshit ! he didn't ask this girl out on a 'date' with a view to going steady, what he was basically saying is.. 'come back to my place and i'll smack it for ya !' which 'isn't' very respectful
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle What kind of Leave It To Beaver/Happy Days world do you live in where anything other than "going steady" is disrespectful?
So if a sexually liberated woman wants to have a one night stand or just have some male company for one night or just see a man occasionally for sex, but without the complications of a relationship, she's a whore/slag/slut and not respectable?
That's EXACTLY the kind of sexist, throwback gender role thinking feminists deplore.
Are you sure you're not a MRM?
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc Straw Man #1 for you ?
its not disrespectful for a woman to sleep around if she wants to, her body.. her choice. What's disrespectful is going up to a strange woman on an elevator you don't even know, and asking her to sleep with you
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle Officially, straw man #4 for you.
He never asked her to SLEEP with him and I frankly doubt he even had an expectation that even if she did go up, she would. I don't even know if he would be ready for that, given his supposed nerdiness.
He's seems from all accounts, a thoughtful, intelligent person clearly interested in dialogue and rational discourse. He pretty much would have to be to attend a CONFERENCE on atheism and BOOK A HOTEL ROOM.
Hardly the Jack the Ripper profile.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc He 'didn't ask to sleep with her ??? He said do you want to come back to my place for 'coffee' which is 'clearly' a euphemism for sex ! why the hell would she want a cup of coffee at 4am in the morning ?
(when shes about to go to bed... on her own... without being fucked by some random guy she ran into along the way)
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle And now you're back to the prudish, sexist argument where you're saying it's WRONG for men and women to desire each other sexually and court each other.
If she had met a handsome, intelligent dashing convention speaker and decided she wanted to invite him up for coffee, would you be railing against her? Would you be calling her a potential rapist or some other such slur for expressing sexual interest in a man?
Or is it JUST when men express interest in women?
Help us out here...
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc Its not wrong for men to fancy women.. but it can be inappropriate to act on it. And he was objectifying her.. he saw her as a pussy and nothing more, he didn't want to get to know her 'personally' as an 'individual', If all he wanted was to get to know her, why not just ask for her number, her e-mail address ?
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle Your playing language games. "Fancy" vs. "want to have sex". It MEANS THE SAME THING. Reproduction and its attendant urges in both men and women are hard wired biological imperatives. They are NATURAL, GOOD and NECESSARY for the continuation of our species.
If your arguing that seeing a woman (your sexual counterpart as a male of the species and that which biology drives you to desire and pursue in order to mate with) as a woman and desiring her as such is WRONG, you're FUCKNUTS.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc '"Fancy" vs. "want to have sex". It MEANS THE SAME THING'
Not saying its wrong to 'fancy'/'want to have sex' with a woman, but it can be 'inappropriate' to act on it ! and 'i'm' playing language games ???
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle - I disagree. It's perfectly natural to act on your desires. Just go about doing so in a smooth, suave, respectful way.
Hominidae developed language so we wouldn't just chase them down and rape them like the other animals.
"Don’t take this the wrong way, but I find you very interesting, and I would like to talk more, would you like to come to my hotel room for coffee?" is a HUGE step up from killing the current alpha male and his male offspring, then tacklefucking the females.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc 'It's perfectly natural to act on your desires'
yeah, if you're a wild animal with NO self control ! and what about if he 'desires' to rape her ? should he act on that one as well ? Just because he 'desires' it doesn't make it okay
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle Straw man #5
Acting on your desires doesn't mean RAPE. Your mind is in the gutter.
Remember, rape isn't about desire. It's about power and control. So a man, who respectfully asks a woman up for coffee and conversation, who's a registered guest at the hotel, having just attended a convention of enlightened free thinkers is HIGHLY UNLIKELY to be some savage, barely contained rapist looking to begin a rampage.
The facts and math just aren't on the side of your argument.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc You keep saying 'respectful' like that makes it okay.. theres nothing 'respectful' about propositioning a woman you don't even know, if he truly respected her he'd leave her the hell alone
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle - Ok, here's where you and the rest of humanity and its history diverge. I don't know where you come from, but in the rest of the world, you go out, meet people you've never met before, strike up conversations and make connections; or in some cases hook up.
You're not restricted to only those who you KNOW. That's contrary to genetic diversity.
If pursuing only those you personally know is really your argument, then biology dictates you've already lost this argument.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc Again, its not striking up a conversation which is inappropriate, its asking for sex right away
(and please stop trying to declare yourself the winner, thats not for you or i to say, but for the readers to decide)
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle You've offered up a fallacious argument predicated on biology being wrong, like religious people claiming that homosexuality is wrong or unnatural. You lose by the surfeit of historical evidence, genetics and reality being against you.
And as for asking for sex right away, AGAIN, that's NOT what happened, nor what he said, so you're misrepresenting the facts in order to argue a point you find easier to stake out.
That's called a STRAW MAN LOGICAL FALLACY.
Come one, man. Do better
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc Again, come up to my place for 'coffee' is a 'euphemism' for sex, so him asking for sex right away IS what happened !
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle Due, "good morning" is a euphemism for sex if you're interested in a woman, so that's not an argument at all.
Grow some balls. There's no need to hide your sexual interest in a woman from a woman. You come off as timid and lacking confidence. REAL women don't dig emasculated wusses. Be respectful and smooth in how you strike up conversation with a woman, but don't apologize for being a sexual being.
It makes you sound sad and weak. The pussification of men is a tragedy.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc '"good morning" is a euphemism for sex'
No it isn't, you're talking crap
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle Male human sees an attractive female and wants to start a conversation with her in the hopes of courting her and mating with her says, "Would you like to come up for coffee".
Less smooth male human sees an attractive female and wants to start a conversation with her in the hopes of courting her and mating with her says, "Good morning. That's a lovely sweater you have on".
Same shit, different wording.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc Nope ! you're talking crap again XD
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle Well, it's Friday night, so I'm off to "talk crap" to pretty women and have some fun. Enjoy your weekend of masturbating to femdom porn in your gimp suit. XD
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc Aww.. are you tired little man ? off ya go then, up the wooden hills.., and if you meet any strange girls along the way, don't try to fuck 'em.. you dickless peace of shit !
i done told you once you son of a bitch, i'm the best thats ever bin XD
(his ass gunna be ringing for a month)
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle And now you're arguing courtship tactics and semantics? Why didn't he ask he ask her to breakfast? Why didn't he ask her for her Email address? WHat about her business card?
Uh, maybe because he knows she's not FROM that country, will be going back home shortly and this is his only chance to spend time with her, regardless if for conversation, debate, sex or for a marriage proposal!
It's his only shot at seeing her in the flesh and he wanted to spend time with her B4 she left.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc It's his only shot at seeing her in the "flesh" !!!
hey babe, i would like to get to know you better... but i'm kind of in a hurry... so would it be okay if i fucked ya right away ??? i got the blue balls something fierce !
with romance like that i'm surprised they didn't get married :D
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle She was a visitor to his country from the USA. She's not going to be there tomorrow. Even if all he wants to do is talk to her in person with no hopes of anything more, that's his only chance.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained and you'll never know unless you ask.
And remember, he didn't say what YOU said, he said, "don’t take this the wrong way, but I find you very interesting, and I would like to talk more, would you like to come to my hotel room for coffee?"
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc 'Nothing ventured, nothing gained'
OMG !!!
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle Of course! Nothing beats a "Can't" but a "Try".
How will you know if you don't ask/try?
What if she thought he was handsome and funny and confident and while she would normally say no, said yes and they went up and had an amazing few hours of stimulating conversation and she felt she met the person of her dreams?
Or just made a new friend/professional contact?
Or what if they wild, intellectual atheist sex? lol
Oh, no! Skepchick just got laid by someone WORTH fucking!
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc You're really quite sinister
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle And now you've graduated from straw men to ad hominems. Nice..
I am rubber you are glue.... Sticks and stones...
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle And she wasn't vilified for not liking it. She was vilified, and rightly so for vilifying the guy SIMPLY for OFFERING.
She used the word "sexualize" as if she was ASEXUAL or a CHILD, and hence someone expressing sexual interest in her was wildly inappropriate.
She spoke about as if she wasn't a human female evolved to mate with males of her species and that innate sexual attraction and courtship between the sexes was wrong.
THAT'S why she was pilloried. For being a misandrist.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc he wasn't 'simply offering himself'... he was also 'asking' for 'her'.. and just because she used the word '"sexualize" that automatically means shes a misandrist and a bitch ?
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle You're misquoting me.This could even be strawman #4 for you!
Using respectful language, and prefacing it with a codicil, a man offered a woman he found attractive coffee and conversation in a more private setting hoping to get to know her personally. Period.
The woman then turned around and publicly reframed the encounter as a creepy near-rape experience where the man was wrong for even SPEAKING to her, using her own state of mind as the justification.
Yes, madness and misandry.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc 'coffee and conversation in a more private setting hoping to get to know her personally'
You mean of course.. hoping to get to know her pussy intimately ! ya can get coffee at StarBucks ya know (and nobody tries to fuck you)
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle They're in a hotel. If they had coffee and conversation and she decided to end the chat, she could easily retire to her room in a few minutes. Not so if she leaves the hotel to go to Starbucks.
Plus, NOW you're advocating she LEAVE the hotel with a total stranger and go someone in a foreign city?! Are you mad? What, are you trying to get her Natalee Hollowayed?!
And for the record, if a cute woman I met at Starbucks wanted me to "get to know her pussy intimately", why not?! :-D
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc 'Plus, NOW you're advocating she LEAVE the hotel with a total stranger and go someone in a foreign city?'
You dumb fuck XD
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle You know you love me. :-*
Come, quit this silly cat and mouse game.
Don’t take this the wrong way, but I find you very interesting, and I would like to talk more, would you like to come to my hotel room for coffee?”
XD
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle She said she hates it when men "sexualize" her - as if she wasn't a sexual being or didn't have an anatomical sex as part of the homo sapiens sapiens species.
If she had JUST said that she felt uncomfortable being hit on in an elevator where she can't leave at will, NO ONE COULD FAULT HER. That shit is awkward.
But no, HER argument was that it was that it was WRONG for a male to speak to with interest in her as a female. THAT'S fucking CRAZY and it's feminism gone AWRY.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
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@morpheusxnyc Her argument was that it was WRONG for a male she didn't even know to proposition her, and she was right !
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle WOW..... Is it hard to write wearing the burqu or does your husband not know you know how to read, Muslimah?
Listen to the unbelievably sexist, regressive, misandrous nonsense that just came out of your mouth.
It is wrong for someone you don't know to ask you out. We would all only date our classmates, neighbors or coworkers if that was the case.
That kind of brain damage is beyond the reach of rational thought or critical thinking.
You have now officially jumped the shark.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc Its not wrong for you to ask someone 'out', its wrong to ask a woman you don't know for sex !
(husband ??? do you think i'm a girl ?)
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle - Yep, thought you were a woman. That's how premenstrual you've been coming off.
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
@morpheusxnyc You pig :,(
GoodByeKyle 1 month ago
@GoodByeKyle Oink
morpheusxnyc 1 month ago
If people would stop dreaming of one true love. Grow up find a spouse to marry. You can be friends with a women. You don't need to sleep with her to get her to be your wife. Just talk. Women out number men greatly. If everyone found true love ... some women will be upset. Polygamy existed before and still does. I would have one wife though.
FormTheX 2 months ago
ALSO, the situations you compared are completely different. You say "what if a man says something crude to a strange woman".You didn't describe the exact circumstance. Is this taking place in a bus? On a dark alley? However, when you make the comparison with the woman saying crude things to a strange man, you refer to web chat, and let us not forget that men visit these websites on purpose, in other words, they WANT to hear crude stuff. Your thinking is so bad, I could not bear to listen more.
auracatalina 2 months ago
Let us suppose that you have a man and a women who are not associated in any way. In the first situation, the man talks dirty to the woman and she does not appreciate it. She feels frightened because the man might sexually assault her if he wanted to: the women feels in danger. In the second situation, the women talks dirty to the man and he does not appreciate it. The man will probably feel confused, but not frightened: she is not an actual threat. So your argument is completely flawed.
auracatalina 2 months ago
@auracatalina
Okay. Suppose that a 200lb woman talks dirty to a 130lb man. What then?
Exactly. You're being so ridiculous.
What if the guy was Brad Pitt? As opposed to a skinny nerd? I wager that far fewer women would complain about it. Some might - but you and I both know that many fewer would.
If he didn't actually do anything and he did not threaten anything, then nothing is wrong.
ZPSBestProfileName 2 months ago 3
@auracatalina that's the most asinine fictional scenario I've read. you said the situation is strictly the difference between a man and a woman making unwanted passes at each other, and in your scenario the man making a pass is intimidating, while the woman making an unwanted pass at the man is simply "confusing". what alot of crap, you've painted a scene entirely without circumstance and you're making these crazy extrapolations from it. you have a real problem of gender prejudice.
truthslap 1 month ago 3
@truthslap First of all, please mind your language when you are talking to a person you do not know. Lack of basic education. Second of all, I do not consider myself "gender prejudiced", but maybe I should because I sure did have to listen to a lot of crude language from unknown man on the street although I do not behave or dress like a slut. You don't know how it feels because you have never felt threatened while you are just walking on the street minding your own business. No replies, thanks.
auracatalina 1 month ago
@auracatalina mind my language?? what sort of ruckus are you trying to stir, what did I say that was even remotely offensive or ad hominem? you are a crazy person and I'll gladly take your offer for no further replies, I've no intention of trying to change the mind of some socially self-obsessed crazy person.
truthslap 1 month ago
The atheist pope hahahahah
DJTurboSolarium 2 months ago
Just tell those feminists to get back in the kitchen and make you a sanwhich.
A801506 2 months ago
@A801506 Nah, they'll put poison in your food, you'll die and finally you'll be responsible for that happening to you...
upisoft2 2 months ago
@upisoft2 They have too much power now, men, we dun fkd up. >>
A801506 2 months ago
It's especially creepy when midgets say it! I don't agree with this guy, but I agree with his humor!!!!!
TeenageAtheist1500 2 months ago
I want to hear a clear opinion from feminists about women in Islam.
TaoPiet 2 months ago
Yeah, sexual harassment is only applicable if the woman in question is not attracted to the guy!
bermudaguy1 2 months ago
It confuses you because women are stupid , they confuse themselves and everybody around them.
mellowman1020 2 months ago
Sounds like the guy in the elevator dodged a bullet with that mad bitch....
Kiltmaster 2 months ago 17
@Kiltmaster You OBVIOUSLY did not read what I said. I was referring STRICTLY to the situation where the man/woman does not appreciate being addressed in an obscene manner. As a result, your arguments do not refute my statements. Of course, there are numerous other possible situations and I did not have an intention to cover them all. Also, if you want to give some examples, at least give some REALISTIC examples. Brad Pitt talking dirty to a woman? Come on.
auracatalina 2 months ago
Asking someone out is not sexual harassment. Women overreact and brew in victimology. Just because a guy asks you out doesn't mean he's -a rapist -a molester -a creep. Of course had the dude on the elevator been good looking in the woman's eyes the story would have been completely different. If he looked like a young brad pitt I bet there's a chance that she would have 'sexually harassed" him by batting eyelashes his way. LOL.
TMac473 2 months ago
So what if a gay man ask another gay man out for a date on and elavator at 4 in the morning ? Is that sexist ?
Clemburke1111 2 months ago
@Clemburke1111 What if the gay man asked a straight man to come to his room for "coffee" on an elevator at 4am.
NotADood 2 months ago
@NotADood All of teh avove should just get a simple reply, of " not interested" but this so called feminist is an attention seeking loser.
Clemburke1111 2 months ago
@Clemburke1111 Yeah, straight guys have a known history of handling unwanted advances from gay men really well.
NotADood 2 months ago
@NotADood Yes, but I gave you the answer I think is the most rational, and this woman chose to be the sad victim for simply being asked a question, pathetic.
Clemburke1111 2 months ago
A guy at work told me if I don't want to get sexually harassed at work I should hide my sexual attractiveness. I never show skin, always wear loose clothes, dress in plain clothes. Harassment isn't about sex. It's about harassment. Same as rape. It's about domination and power. Doesn't he know women covered in burkhas get harassed, raped, beaten and stoned to death every day? It's not my job to hide from abusive men. It's mens job to not be abusive. Talk about projection of responsibility.
true6lue88 2 months ago
@true6lue88
Your rant is completely unrelated to the video. I didn't hear him once say "she deserved to be harassed because of what she was wearing". In fact I don't even think he MENTIONED what she was wearing. It's as if you didn't even watch the video, you just heard "harassment" then decided to go on a rant regardless of whether it addressed ANY of the points made in the video. He was asking "what is sexual harassment?" not saying "harassment is acceptable when ______"
TheSorrow1O1 2 months ago
You're lying. He didn't ask her out. He asked her back to his hotel room in the middle of the night. What do you think his intentions were. A nice date, or date rape.
true6lue88 2 months ago
@true6lue88 "What do you think his intentions were. A nice date, or date rape."
Date rape of course.
Actually, asking a female out is really code for "can I put your innards in a jar and masturbate to them later in front of my Jodi Foster altar?"
Don't let the other men know I told you.
SeanMacCloud 2 months ago
@true6lue88 OMG, a man ASKING a woman to go to his room with him??? Can you get any more of rapist than that!
TruthandJustice101 2 months ago
Poor americans!
All the things that I have done to women they just seem to like it rather than not. I usually open with compliment since it simply seem to work better. Gotta love living in EU
Induktio1984 3 months ago
One shouldn't hate the concept of feminism. It stands for gender equality. Double standards are not a part of gender equality. It is sad that this movement is often misinterpreted...
Bauch373 3 months ago
@Bauch373 "Gender Equality" is a bullshit fantasy because all men are not equal to each other in the first place. So WHICH MEN do feminists want to be equal to?
Feminists are dishonest: they don't want to be equal to Black men or working class men. They want to be equal only to white, middle class men.
TruthandJustice101 2 months ago
you misunderstand the point of slut walks... they are to bring awareness to the fact that many woman are the victims of violence and sexual assault... and what the woman wears or their sexual history has nothing to do with it... it is a demonstration in reaction to a police officer's statement to college woman in reference to staying safe on campus... he said something along the lines of "don't dress like a slut."
a woman should have the right to wear whatever without fear of assault.
dadagodot 3 months ago
@dadagodot Not really. If a female dresses like a slut she will attract the attention of our less noble brethren. So women want to encourage rape and then blame other people? LOL!
Bleakunending 2 months ago
@Bleakunending Rape is quite prevalent in societies where women are legally required to cover themselves head-to-toe - probably more than it is here, so obviously "a female dresses like a slut..." is just an excuse that rapists use.
NotADood 2 months ago
@NotADood Yes, and in those countries Islamic laws virtually encourage rape anyway. Such a comparison with Western women is a moot point.
Bleakunending 2 months ago
@Bleakunending What Islamic laws are those exactly?
NotADood 2 months ago
@NotADood Shariah Law.
A woman's testimony is worth less than half a man's. Something like that. We don't have such laws in the European world, quite the opposite, in fact.
Bleakunending 2 months ago
@Bleakunending That would contradict all those recent that have come out in recent years indicating that Europeans and Americans (including judges and juries and cops) have a really strong tendency to disbelieve and/or blame sexual assault victims, especially if they're female.
NotADood 2 months ago
@NotADood eh typo - recent studies/surveys
NotADood 2 months ago
@NotADood Females are empowered in our society so I wouldn't imagine such studies to be accurate. Mysandry or whatever it's called is also in force. I watched a good video about that and it really opened my eyes. Anyway, feminism and all that, it's just another tool for division as far as I'm concerned, just like the class warfare of Communism. So it doesn't bother me, women are treated fine by our laws in European countries and the US/Canada. So I'm not worried.
Bleakunending 2 months ago
@Bleakunending You don't know what you're talking about.
NotADood 2 months ago
@NotADood If you're a woman, it's your choice, you can dress revealingly and risk the attention of savages, or you can dress honourably and shun slut culture which is so permeating for females. You can see it whatever way you want. But it's a woman's choice and she shouldn't blame other people for getting raped...least of all is it a conspiracy of men to let women get raped. I'm a 'dood' and I don't want women to get raped, I want them to feel safe to walk aroud. But it's not my choice!
Bleakunending 2 months ago
@Bleakunending Whatever a woman wears or does, there's always a man around to stand in judgement whether she's slutty or frumpy or flirtatious or unfriendly or should lose some weight or needs to put some meat on her bones or talks to much or isn't conversational enough . . ,. if men were ever held to the same standards they hold women at threat of "consequences" like sexual assault, you'd all lose your minds. Get some tits and walk around for a few years then tell me something.
NotADood 2 months ago
@NotADood Fair point. Men are also judged alot.
Will you be performing the breast surgery yourself?
Bleakunending 2 months ago
@NotADood You're acting like women don't do the same. Wearing skinny or baggy jeans, tshirts, sweaters or a suit all changes the way a man is judged. Men don't go to the gym for entertainment purposes you know. Im pretty sure that a man with a washboard for abs will be lusted after just the same :/.
Flitteriffic 2 months ago
@Flitteriffic loool women judge 100 times more than men!!!
RubasJLeone 2 months ago
@NotADood
You should reply to Flitteriffic.
Or do you have an agenda?
AttilaKattila 2 months ago
@NotADood I don't blame them! Just because some girl says "He raped me!!" that proves she's telling the truth?? Specially when you know that lots of women love to play the "I'm a victim" card?? I don't blame the judges! If some girl come at me saying "He raped me!!!" I would not act immediatly...i would say "relax" and i would try to know more information about the situation...Jesus Christ...you are soooo naive lady...
RubasJLeone 2 months ago