Draculino BJJ - Provoking a Giant - Part 2 : Ball Grabbers

[Charlitos1988]

OK I can't find "provoking a giant" part 1

[ScooterBrownYYZ]

On those old Gracie's in Action tapes, there were plenty of guys who attempted nard attacks and eye gouges and biting and it didn't work out for any of them.

[BFerreira82]

Altough I agree with most of it from Draculino point of view. I must admit that as a BJJER, grabbing both hands in a rolling session and maintaing that control isn´t easy at all. So imagine doing that in a street brawl. Nowadays anybody knows how to escape wrist grabs, and they could easily ground and pound you. BJJ is great but has stated before, there´s no perfect art...cross train and hope to get lucky and get home safe after an altercation that came your way. My 2 cents there...! ;)

[Blackouttsi2]

I am just learning about Draculino as a BJJ player, i like him already haha

[iGreekSalad]

@Pyxo8888 Boy I'd love to take your back and whisper, hey brother? Wheres those nerves and pressure points now?

[Pyxo8888]

@iGreekSalad be careful not to take too long. if you have my back, id want you to try get a choke in. I invite you to take a look at my fingers, and the strength they posses. There a lil freaky looking. Take some poor average joes back would be lunch for bjj guys that knew there stuff. Its not when they try it on street fighters that use to sell coke and are serving a condition sentance for stabbing a gang member in self defense, let alone has fingers that can clost to tear skin. u wanna see.

[Pyxo8888]

ball grabbing is the least of your worrys. in self defense, the object should be to use enough force to deter a threat, and then get away. Now adays you have to think about the law. I'm very limited as to what i can do in my life because i exceeded the amount of fource used to deter a threat. grappling on the ground and breaking a guys arm or choking him out isn't putting much effort into getting up and getting away. plus it's just stupid rolling on the ground. eyes, nerves, teeth, pinching

[Connacht89]

The other guy is completely collaborative, I personally don't want to test BJJ skills in a street with a blood-eye thug that want to smash me up (maybe he also has some friends under the corner that I didn't see, friends that can suddenly come out and help him). Self-defence imho is a subject that is too wide, variable and aleatory, you can be the best martial artist of all time but something can still go wrong. Practice what you like for yourself first.

What's the tile of the song in the end?

[999berlo]

Another thing most people who don't train don't realise is, there is also nothing stopping the BJJ guy from biting, eye gouging and ball grabbing in a street fight.

[BGZbadboyz]

@999berlo Well, there is one thing: Their training! Training builds habits. How you train is how you fight! If ballgrabs etc are not part of your training, it's just not gonna pop into your mind to do it when you're under pressure in the streets! If your BJJ is good enough, you MIGHT not need to, but it's good to have a contingency plan anyway!

[SlothJitsu]

what's an underbelt?

[gutts077]

This is great! I have been wondering about this. Anyone who trains Jiu Jitsu (like I do) knows what it's like to go against a reasonably high level grappler and one thing they do very well, is control nearly every limb on your body. Get in a street fight with a top end guy (IMO, high level blue belts and above), trust me, ball shots aren't gonna help you. He's right when he says the Gracie's made their name in Vale Tudo, where groin strikes are legal. Even early UFC. I agree with him being dism

[BGZbadboyz]

@gutts077 It's not that ballgrabs are ineffective in and of themselves. It's just that the BJJ crew train 24-7 against resisting partners of all shapes and sizes, whereas most who teach ballgrabbing havn't ever tried to roll around, they just roll their big mouths. -then when they get taken down in the streets, they freeze, not being able to grab the balls, nor anything else! For any technique/tactic to work, it has to be trained hundreds of times, against real and forceful resistance!

[LordShandor]

@BGZbadboyz +100

[AUInnocent]

This is fine for BJJ black belts and people with that fine-tuned awareness that makes great grapplers, but most underbelts won't be able to stop ball grabbing with regularity. It's the martial artist that matters most, not the art.

Also, add in biting. There are a lot of head control techniques, included ones shown here, that don't exactly prevent that. BJJ is great, especially with MMA rules, but it's not the "end all" of man to man combat.

That's what weapons, and guns, are for.

[DraculinoTeamTx]

@AUInnocent

No one preaches that BJJ is the "end all". Bjj makes your more prepared and efficient in a fight and it hopes to MINIMIZE your opponents options. It won't always nullify them. That is with ANY art, every single thing in this world has a weakness....but that doesn't mean nothing in this world works.

[YangShengVT]

@DraculinoTeamTx Here is the main problem of your "think tank": In Real Life you ll be facing less one on one Situations. BJJ is very good and WAS defenetly Promoted as "one fits all" by the gracies in the past! They had to learn that you ll allways have one better (Shamrock Bros, Sakuraba etc. )

[132images]

@AUInnocent Black belts? Dude this stuff is Jits 101/White Belt? First week in class stuff.

[GorgeousGeorge121]

@AUInnocent HAHA! 'most underbelts won't be able to stop ball grabbing with regularity' - very true: I get ball-grabbed many times just walking down the street; why did I have to live in the gay part of town, and train BJJ for so little time?! Maybe in ten years I can learn the ball-grab defence; I just hope I live that long.

@DraculinoTeamTx - Excellent video, guys. :)

What these idiots fail to realise is that they probably won't get time to think to 'grab the balls', or bite.

[KatakiDoragon]

@alphamonX Yes so.... like any fight it'll come down to who is better. If your opponent is better than you, you still probably will have trouble doing this stuff. And if you're better.... well then you probably didn't need to use it in the first place!

[KatakiDoragon]

@alphamonX This would imply you're good enough to break and pass your opponent's guard, which, if you don't have groundfighting training, you probably won't be.

[GinXYZ]

Draculino, you are totally one of my new heroes. Not only was this a very well done explanation as to why the "Master" was wrong about the guard postion, but you also kept it entertaining. I was able to laugh at the humor but also learn something, which is awesome for a grappling noob like me. Thank you!

[SoundwaveSuperior373]

The triangle looks like a good counter, but may out a few variables you have missed. You can catch him with the triangle assuming you are faster than him. But, if he is faster at grabbing your balls than you catching him with a triangle, then your balls will be grabbed. Also you are assuming the triangle will ALWAYS connect. Nothing works 100 percent of the time. There is no guarantee it will always work. But, seeing how this is youtube and people are close minded. Nobody will heed my warning.

[grozde]

Obvious nonsense.

[sharkfinnigan]

@speechclasstaipei people get stabbed standing up too man, i think the lesson would be dont fight guys with little "knives"

[Seir]

@alphamonX He's only blind in one eye. Besides, I have a feeling that all these "street ninjas" like The Master and Martial Skeptic are always talking about street fights as if they were a life or death situation so my comment does still stand.

[ArmorKingRulez]

He is right in a Gi, i know hes gonna say that.*rolls eye*

Love the eye roll...

[CURTISHUNDLEY1073]

Sport bjj is very diffrent that self defence bjj.in the sense of what you need to do to win.pulling guard in a comp is a good strategey. You can work on subs or sweeps without worring about getting punched bitten ball grabbed etc...

[CURTISHUNDLEY1073]

Must bjj instructors wil tell you going to the guard in a real life or death street fight is a last option.but if you work on and have a good guard it really increases your chance to come out a whole lot better than not. A common misconseption with bjj with the unfamiliar is that its all guard.very un true.clinching on the feet to avoid strikes and controlling the opponet putting them on their backs an hitting them or joint locking or choking is really the outline of what you want to try and do.

[henrooo]

Classic

[MMASTUFF13]

Great video

[271byron]

@howesteve

Probably cause the other guy sounded angry and he was instictively trying to appease him.

[PadLockum]

@howesteve

Because Draculino is fucking funny, moron. And what he was saying was true.

[howesteve]

@PadLockum well I know draculino much longer then you, so I know if he's funny or not. I didn't ask about that. He is an idiot and so it's you. Are you the same one ? That sounded like butt-head filming.

[DraculinoTeamTx]

@howesteve

How does some one name steve not speak english? I don't give two flying fucks doing a nose dive if you've "known drac longer than anyone" you obviously don't know him well. You sound like a fucking dick head..whats your problem if someone is laughing at something funny.

[christlicker]

I would love to see one these fat RBSD turds fight somebody like Draculino. They talk a whole lot of shit but never seem to have the balls to back it up.

[ThisIsChai]

hey there, i loved your video, i was wondering if i could make subtitles of this in korean and put it on korean mma forums, cuz bjj aint really popular over here and i really want to show them what bjj is capable of. thanks

[Seir]

This is for all the dorks who think that eye-gouging is some sort of magjc bullet. Keep in mind that Bas Rutten is primarily a striker.

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[DraculinoTeamTx]

@kingfbi

Punching balls were allowed in the first ufc...and the tactic couldn't even get one guy to let go of the head lock.

Google "Joe Son getting hit in the balls at UFC 4"

And the reason they didn't allow biting and poking the eyes is because they were trying to get it TELEVISED, you think the would allow something that allowed someones eyes to be ripped out on national television? Don't be so naive.

[kingfbi]

@DraculinoTeamTx

I saw that punchimg balls one. He wasnt hitting that hard lol. Even i can withstand those. But you have seen other fights where the guy accidenttally got kicked and needed about 5 mins to recuperate yes? Ball kickin is very painful if hit full power. Of course ripping out eyes would be banned. But they could have allowed fighters to dig deep into the eyes only which im sure if deep enough, would make a bjj guy let go.

coint........

[DraculinoTeamTx]

@kingfbi

How little you know...people who get "Kicked in the balls now" are wearing cups, and its the cup digging in the groin that hurts...that being said...people exaggerate so that the ref will call it and the other guy will be weary about kicking the inner thigh or stop all together...its a strategy. Ask josh koscheck about exaggerating things. I'm not saying it doesn't hurt..but isn't a game stopper.

[kingfbi]

@DraculinoTeamTx

I been knee'ed in the balls once and i will tell you...it hurt like crazy and paralysed me for about 5 mins.

It was a street fight. I couldnt move. Yes i will acknowledge some fighters fake it for tactics.

But believe me, a full power hit to the balls without protection hurts. Thats why they have the protection in the first place. If the cup hurt more than without the cup, they wouldnt have the cup would they? Think about it dude.

[Seir]

@kingfbi Did you even watch Draculino's video? He just spent that entire video showing why it's impractical to attack someone's balls in the guard? Btw, if you really knew how to use a guard you'd know that if you tried kneeing someone with a proper guard you're more likely to just nail their butt than balls.

[DraculinoTeamTx]

@kingfbi

and do you really think you can control how "Deep people digg in each others eyes" while fighting and rolling around...thats the dumbest thing i've ever heard in my life lol

[kingfbi]

@DraculinoTeamTx

But then that proves me point.

The fact its hard to control eye poking, shows how dangerous it is. The fact its dangerous, shows it can stop a bjj guy in his tracks. Thats why its banned on tv. We can pretty much say the same for any hit then.

Its hard to control punches, hard to control kicks, armbars, chokes etc. But they allow them dont they?

If you were fighting in street and saw the chance to poke deep into his eyes, you would do it dude. 

[Seir]

@kingfbi You're so full of hot air. Are you aware that Yuki Nakai is blind in one eye because of the eye gouges he received from Gerard Gordeau? Even those couldn't stop him from heel hooking Gerard Gordeau and making him tap. The sheer fact that you seem to think that in in it's more than 80 years of existence that BJJ never encountered people biting, kicking in the balls, or eye-gouging in street fights. People so full of hot air like you make me want to puke.

[DraculinoTeamTx]

@Seir

No one is saying you CAN'T eye gouge successfully or that you can't get hit in the balls or that it wont hurt. We are saying it isn't indefensible or even tolerable at times. Name an attack doesn't mean its easy to pull off. Just because its possible to hit some one in the chin and knock them out, doesn't mean boxing doesn't work because you can just hit them in the chin and knock them out.

[Seir]

@DraculinoTeamTx Dude, quick question, what was that in reply to? Fyi, I'm in the camp that doesn't think that biting and eye-gouging are some sort of magic bullet renders BJJ useless in a street fight. I'm just tired of people thinking that biting and eye-gouging is some sort of silver bullet to grappling's werewolf.

[kingfbi]

@DraculinoTeamTx LOl, dude i love boxing and i do that and mauy thai. These arts are proven to be very effective.

But im just saying that along wiht these arts, you can incorporate dirty fighting too, which i will do. It will make you a far more dangerous fighter. If out on street, i see the chance to grab his throat and choke him with fingers, i will do so. If i see chance to dig deep into his eyes, will do so. I love mma dont get me wrong. I watch it all the time

[Seir]

@kingfbi No, they banned eye gouges and biting because state legislators and casual fighting audiences were squeamish about something that they perceived was a "bloodsport." Promtions such as Japan Vale Tudo, Universal Vale Tudo, International Vale Tudo, and World Vale Tudo all allowed eye gouges and biting, but those tactics still didn't stop a BJJ practitioner.

[kingfbi]

@Seir

Eye gouges and biting were illegal in vale tudo. Thats why they called gerards eye poke on yuki nakai "illegal".

[SkemeKOS]

@kingfbi

That was Japans Vale Tudo. Different rules.

[SkemeKOS]

@kingfbi

Where did they mention it being illegal, by the way. I cant remember them even saying ANYTHING about it, now that I think about it.

[DraculinoTeamTx]

@kingfbi

What you also don't realize is eye gouging is a two way street..when you elevate the fight to that...now YOU gotta deal with eye gouging and from a guy who is trained to control your limbs and gain dominate positions...do you really want a guy, pissed off because you stuck your finger in his eye, mounting you and trying to dig both his thumbs in your eyes?

[kingfbi]

@DraculinoTeamTx Yes of course eye giuging is a 2 way street. But if a bjj guy is beating me in the street trying to kill me with a choke, then what choice do i have? I have to do whatever it takes to get him off me. It may work, it may not. But since hes going to kill me anyway, i will use all dirty fighting i can. If you incorporated dirty fighting into your bjj you will find out you are a much better fighter dude. Im not dissing bjj. I like it.

[DraculinoTeamTx]

@kingfbi

No one is saying eye gouging doesn't work...just that an un trained guy can't expect the idea of eye gouging alone to triumph jiu-jitsu. It will be hard to do to a guy who is physically and positionally dominating you, keeping himself in positions where he can move and defend himself while typically keeping you from moving. A lot of positions will have you pinned down, or have your arms isolated and useless.

We will have our heads in postions safe from strikes and fingers etc.

[DraculinoTeamTx]

@DraculinoTeamTx

That being said, just like with any strike, bjj trains you to put yourself in positions that make it more likely and easy that the BJJ practitioner can strike while limiting or eliminating your opponents ability to strike/eye gouge.

I don't care if you call groin strikes an eye gouges as a type of attack that is legitimate...but you cant give yourself the weapon and pretend you can use it better than the bjj guy...it won't neutralize jiu-jitsu...thats all we are saying.

[kingfbi]

@DraculinoTeamTx

Yes cool. We both make good points and i respect your opinion. I am aware that an untrained guy will be no match for a bjj guy. He wont be a match for a pro boxer either.

I do respect bjj and will learn some. Its a great martial art. Check out the latest royce gracie dvd too. :)

[SkemeKOS]

@DraculinoTeamTx

BINGO!!!!

You hit the nail on the head! I come from a JKD background so Im VERY familiar with eye gouges, biting and groin strikes etc etc

I have just started training in BJJ and we mess about pretending to bite and eye gouge each other when we roll, and it just isnt practical to do in a real fight.

You open the door to truly getting yourself hurt. My advice is to not initiate "dirty" tactics but be ready to PUNISH those who use them on you.

[kingfbi]

@SkemeKOS

Dirty fighting will be initiated by someone whos vicious and doesnt care waht happens to them. You think a violent prisoner in americas top prisons would listen to advice like "dont initiate dirty fighting"? They will laugh.

Dirty fighting goes a long way. It simply depends on how vicious you are. Remember tyson biting a chunk out of holys ear? That sent him jumpin around in ferocious pain and tyson could have easily finished him off if that was street fight.

[SkemeKOS]

@kingfbi

The way I see it is like this - You bite me, and I will bite you back 3 times, 3 times as hard and then I will eye gouge you, fish hook you, rip your balls off, break both your wrists, both your elbows, both your shoulders, legs, ankles, wind pipe choke etc etc.

Youre just asking for the fight to be a fight to the death....and you better be ready to die.

Personally, I would avoid initiating it. But thats just me.

If you DO initiate it, then make sure it ENDS the fight.

[kingfbi]

@SkemeKOS

Of course you wouldnt initiate dirty fighting. You already know bjj. But for a guy who doesnt, what choice does he have? if you try to choke him to death, you are already trying to kill him anyway so he will do whatever it takes to survive.

But yes, i do acknowledge bjj guys as hard fighters and its not that easy to beat them. Im not stupid.

All im saying is that you can add dirty fighting to your arsenal thats all. You made some valid points and i respect that :)

[SkemeKOS]

@kingfbi

Well yeah, I could add dirty tactics to my BJJ in a fight, and thats the reason why me and my sparring partners train dirty tactics in BJJ - both to defend against a "dirty" fighter on the street, and also to be able to use those dirty tactics ourselves too, if the circumstance calls for it.

I just think its dangerous for some people to initiate them against more skilled/violent opponents. Thats all.

I completely respect all your points too, my friend. :)

[kingfbi]

@SkemeKOS

Taking friendly bites at sparring partner is different to a psycho from americas hard prisons biting to kill you.

Pls remember that. Biting on the surface of skin is different to taking chunks out, like when tyson bit a chunk out of holys ear. Very painful. I also have been knee'ed in the balls once. It was full power and i didnt expect it. and it was painful as hell. I couldnt move. It hurts dude. Trust me. I felt it. But i do like bjj so dont get me wrong.

Very good art

[SkemeKOS]

@kingfbi

Yeah, Ive been kneed in the balls, kicked in the balls and punched in the balls and it all hurts like HELL!

But still, its not a knock-out attack or submission attack....although it CAN still end a fight in certain circumstances.

But in BJJ, you are closer to each other so I VERY much doubt any ball grabbing or punching will end the fight.

Biting and eye gouging are your best bet. But again, you better hope the other guy doesnt turn phsycho on YOU and do worse to you.

[kingfbi]

@DraculinoTeamTx

I used to think like you too, where i saw mma and thought that was all there was to fighting. I was wowed by it like everyone.

But as i learnt more about martial arts and combat, i was less naive. Theres a reason why they wear cups, Its cos without it, it hurts more. Theres a reason why they ban certain moves in mma. Its cos those moves are dangerous. And if its dangerous, it means it works. You can use those moves on the street and it will save your life.

[kingfbi]

cont.....

I do respect bjj and its a great system. I watch mma a lot and just got the latest royce gracie dvd.

But i just acknowledge there are weaknesses in that art just like any other art. Trust me, if you got into a fight in street and your bjj wasnt strong enoiugh to push the attacker off, you would dig deep into his eyes and trust me....he will let go. Im talking about "deep;" into his eyes ok? Some mma fighters were affected after being poked there.

[Seir]

@kingfbi I will ask you once again, what do you have to say about Yuki Nakai vs Gerard Gordeau where Nakai was definitely injured by the eye gouge but didn't let go of the heel hook.

[Garanon5]

My nephew @1:46 "Then he can bite your balls, if he's really gay" LOL

[BGZbadboyz]

Whether it's ball shots, biting, eye gouging, nerve spots, or even tigerclawing to the throat, it's usually most effective when the person doing it is in a strong or dominant position. So if you're trying to pull that off against a someone more skilled at grappling than yourself, you'd better do it BEFORE he gets control of you. Once he's got you in a disadvantageous position, it's usually little use -unless he's a pussy, who can't take a little pain!

[sharkfinnigan]

@BGZbadboyz not to mention that if you try to fuck with a mans nuts from a less dominant position then he"ll probably pay you back about 10 fold lol after he breaks your arm and or choked you out

[Seir]

@sharkfinnigan I seriously doubt that this Martial Skeptic dude trains at all. What serious martial artist is afraid of letting people know what art he trains in? Especially since he's trying to play the skeptic card, I'm going to call for everyone to be skeptical about his training. Seriously, it's a sign that someone could be a poser if they're advocating being skeptical, yet automatically dismisses someone as an idiot if they question his training. How ironic.

[BGZbadboyz]

@Seir After encountering the trolling of Martialskeptic some time ago, I did some research on the guy, and here's what I came up with: He/she is not from Vietnam, or wherever he claims to live, but is situated somewhere in the UK. He seems to have trained some kinda traditional system, but by his own account, his training failed when it mattered the most, and he was almost killed in a street encounter. My hypothesis is that he panicked and froze in the face of danger, like the pussy he is! cont.

[BGZbadboyz]

@sharkfinnigan Very true!! I must add though, that I would not hesitate to pull out or squeeze the nuts if I were in the dominant position, but never from a weak position!

[BGZbadboyz]

@sharkfinnigan Recall Judo great Yamashita, who had this guy in a side mount, and the other guy became strangely passive.. Slomo later revealed that Yamashita had stuffed 2 inches of thumb up his opponent's ASS! This worked, of course, cause it was applied from a dominant position. Back in my Judo days, I would sometimes grab the opponent such that my forearm squeezed the opponent's balls a little bit. This gave me a slight advantage, even from a weak position, but it seldom won me the match..

[weimartorres]

How are you going to do all this hip moviments down in a street?

[DraculinoTeamTx]

@weimartorres

Not everyone is a pussy. I used to play tackle foot ball in the street on concrete. Sidewalk on both sides of the street were out of bounds. Fights aren't meant to be sweet an comfortable, you do what you have to and adrenaline blocks out little pain that you feel. Hell, I got in a fight bare foot once on a rocky dirt road. I didn't feel anything while I was fighting...the next morning I could barely walk on my feet...but during the fight..I was fine.

[Seir]

@weimartorres I don't know about you, but I at least wear pants and a shirt when I go out in public. Any BJJ guy worth his salt knows enough not to pull guard out in the street. But if push came to shove you can do those movements out in the street. Did you notice that hip movement in the guard involves lifting your hips OFF the floor?

[BGZbadboyz]

@Seir cont: After his embarrassing failure in the street, he started his puny "crusade" against MA practices he considers to be "impractical". Only problem is he's got no clue. His comments range from the seemingly insightful, to utter nonsense! His martial preference seems nowadays to be toward JKD. I kinda pity the poor guy, but what can one do? The net is full of misguided retards like him!

[Seir]

@BGZbadboyz He probably started under Wing Chun, Aikido, or any of those pretentious arts. Funny thing is that JKD is just a philosophy and not an art itself. Around my part of the U.S. at least, the JKD are formally crosstraining with BJJ instructors. I wonder what the chances are that Martial Skeptic isn't even training at all, and all his so called knowledge is coming from simply watching youtube videos? I mean, what serious martial artist refuses to provide his martial arts background?

[saravutfrank80]

Follow up video of that guy called "Master" getting choked out via triangle please! =D

[graciegjj]

LOL this video is great.

[toastyzone]

guy who knows ground vs another guy that doesn't know ground, there's no shit, the ground fighter gonna win, it's logic.

Excellent video

I'm a tradional jujutsu practicioner, and also a lutador (luta livre) I loved this video

already liked ;)

[MartialSkeptic]

@toastyzone Re: 'It's logic' - that's why in the past scientists started challenging 'rational' arguments - i.e. arguments that were just constructed by thinking about stuff - and instread proposed actually basing theories on what really happens in experiments or the observed world. 'Logic' can't really tell you the outcome of a fight, because it's all a mental construct. Just one punch has, countless times, knocked a man out - and that could just as easily happen on the ground as anywhere else.

[MartialSkeptic]

People who can't do BJJ as well as this probably do leave their balls open to a punch - and I guess BJJ guys would be the first to exploit that, as their mind is attuned to the nuances of ground fighting. But, in all honesty, fights are chaotic, and there's always a possibility of getting smacked in the balls - just as their is when you're stood up. Bottom line - do you want some ground defence or not? Yes. Is part of that exploiting ball shots if possible? Yes. Is part of it BJJ? Yes. Ok then.

[espada9]

@MartialSkeptic: Possibly but what is stopping the person on their back from digging their thumbs into the eyes of the guy in his guard? In a fight once you resort to desperate measures any thing goes fight mode you must remember your opponent can and will do the SAME thing. Who would win a guy with great BJJ skills gouging eyes, biting or a guy with no BJJ skills attempting the same thing?

[MartialSkeptic]

@espada9 You can only guess at scenarios like that. Maybe the BJJ guy will be knocked out with one punch. Maybe the other guy is too drunk to hit straight. If you think about it, what you're really asking is 'what is BJJ?'. E.g., is BJJ 'ground fighting'? Or is it just an aspect, a part, of ground fighting? Are eye gouges BJJ? Are ball shots? If you had a JKD of BJJ, what would it be stripped down to for essential self defence purposes? What else would be added?

[LamTangGar]

Excellent video. Would love to see more rebuttals to the classic "masters" arguments against bjj. A funny one I heard recently was that all you have to do to get out of an armbar is bite the leg or gouge their eyes (dont really know how the later is even feasible to a logical person) or to escape mount you just have to grab the balls and eye gouge. One guy said that if some took him down they'd be missing 2 eyes, have a ruptured ball and a crushed throat before he could get to mount! LOL

[mattjrich]

@LamTangGar

I kicked the guy in the head. That worked.

[LamTangGar]

@mattjrich Its possible but the timing and accuracy have to be perfect. Its not gonna work all the time.

[DraculinoTeamTx]

@LamTangGar

Silly, anyone who thinks think can think clearly enough to bite some one during an armbar, has never been in an armbar during a live match. Even if you could do it, you'd be biting someone who just broke your arm and would be twisting and turning a broken arm ripping and tearing ligaments...no....I don't think so..its hard to bite someone when your mouth is open and SCREAMING in pain.

[LamTangGar]

@DraculinoTeamTx Exactly. And if you armbarred them from a top position and they bite you can use your leg to bash their head into the ground repeatedly. Either way I'll sacrifice a bit of broken skin to break my opponents arm any day.

[kingfbi]

@DraculinoTeamTx

I respect bjj and do watch mma a lot.

But we have to bear something in mind here. If bjj guys could easily beat someone who was biting and eye poking, then why did they ban it even during the early ufcs? That shows the gracies were perfectly aware those moves could beat a bjj practitioner dont you think?

Sure, bjj is a very good art and gracies are legends. But we have to be aware it does have weaknesses like all other arts.

[nocturn36]

@LamTangGar Do you train with Draculino. He is the MAN, LMAO with his rebuttal and so true in the examples he gave. Would be honoured to be his student.

peace

[MartialSkeptic]

@LamTangGar Was it Cung Le?

[gonghonger]

To the guys saying, "Oh just kick him. Oh, that doesn't prove anything." You don't know shit and wouldn't last a second against a real fighter and you know it.

[1987slam]

Well obviously not from the guard.. that's what north south is for...

[iceman250582]

CLASSIC!!! Gotta love the "Masters" of "But if you do that the guy can do this"

[jcdl]

GB4EVER!

[foxybrown2]

He does not have to grab your balls all he has to do is smack them and you are letting go of everything

[DraculinoTeamTx]

@foxybrown2

Yeah, that should be pretty easy. Why didnt i think of that?

[LamTangGar]

@foxybrown2 Yeah because peoples initial reaction to pain is to let go of everything as opposed to clench down harder.

[DraculinoTeamTx]

@LamTangGar

lol

[katodmx007]

sure the guard is not the best position there is... but you better be able to defend and attack if you are in the situation.

[ExhaustDepot]

Yo Draco, you are one mad funny crazy dude!! lol

[Renegade17441]

I like to put women in my closed guard in hopes that they play with my balls. Just sayin, it's a possible perk of jiu jitsu

[mainejits]

Great stuff Draulino, love your stuff!

Pete

bjjweekly

[DarkOnyx]

That was a solid video right there. Great submissions. Thank you.

[Seir]

Yeah, if it was so easy to attack someone's balls in the guard how did Helios and Carlos Gracie manage to have so many kids?

[MartialSkeptic]

@Seir Don't forget, though - there's levels and levels. Most fights that end up with one person sitting on top of the other don't involve someone trained in BJJ - so it may be that ball shots are perfectly reasonable self defence options in some circumstances. There again, my buddy had a fight, booted someone in the balls and they just said 'Is that your best shot?' lol! He'd actually kicked behind the balls, in what, I'm reliably informed, is called the 'gooch', to no effect heh. So, who knows.

[Seir]

@MartialSkeptic Yes, but the person call "The Master" is attacking BJJ and the guard's supposed vulrability to ball attacks. So once again the question is back to, "Who the fuck is the Master, and why is the obvious noob to grappling even commenting on BJJ alone?"

[MartialSkeptic]

@Seir How many truly no rules fights did they have where people really tried to hit them in the balls? I mean, to be objective, we'd need fights where people really were trying to hit the balls, and failing. The thing is, though, BJJ isn't enough even for MMA now. If you say 'no rules', then does BJJ become 'more' useful? If so, why?

[Seir]

@MartialSkeptic All of them. At the time when Carlos, Helios and even Carlson Gracie were active the only mixed fights available were under "Vale Tudo" rules which literally meant "Anything Goes." And yes, BJJ becomes more useful because there's no one forcing you stand up like in modern MMA, and you can keep someone in the guard as long as you can or want.

[MartialSkeptic]

@Seir Hmm... Stories do tend to get exaggerated. It seems unlikely that any fights would last long if people were really trying to hit people in the balls, gouge and bite them. We'd have to say that the Gracies are SO good that even after years of countless no rules challenges they still never got hit in the balls, etc. I think that's stretching credibility, personally. More likely that 'no rules' had more rules than is generally thought.

[MartialSkeptic]

Objectively, nio rules means that arms can be broken etc. rather than placing submissions on the opponent - expending less energy, etc. But, you have to get the guy on the ground, and if we're assuming that one guy is a BJJ guy, then let[s assume the other guy is trained in some stand up art. Now that it's no rules and no gloves, shoes, and an environment, the 'situation' becomes much more dangerous - but let's not confuse that with arts becoming 'more effective'.

[Seir]

@MartialSkeptic If you're going to be a skeptic can you at least research the stuff you try to be skeptical about? Considering that these matches were in front of live audiences in stadiums in the early part of the 20th century and not a place like China in the 1st Century there is no room for stretching credibility. Even the first few UFC's were pretty much no rules.

[MartialSkeptic]

@Seir We should ALL be skeptics, my firend - until we know for sure. Do we have videos of people actually getting smashed in the balls, fingers in the eyes, bitter, faces ripped off? Do we have blind, impotent ex-combatants? Do we have some Gracies with mashed up faces like Gypsy boxers? If not, then, maybe these fights weren't as no rules as time has made them out to be. As it is, youmust be seriously suggesting that no BJJ guy ever got hit in the balls or poked in the eye - which is doubtful.

[Seir]

@MartialSkeptic Smashed in the balls: Joe Son vs Keith Hackney. Fingers in the eyes: Yuki Nakai vs Gerard Gordeau. Btw, what not to say that the reason that you don't see Gracies with permamently damaged faces is because they knew how to prevent that in the first place? Second, I'm not saying no BJJ guy ever got hit in the balls or poked in the eyes. Don't strawman things.

Btw, there's a difference between being a skeptic and being ignorant. You're being the latter.

[MartialSkeptic]

@Seir It might be that they are so great that no one could ever smash them in the face. If you believe that, then it really is no more than a belief - and you're having to go out on quite a limb to assert that. Ocham's razor suggests that, maybe the vale tudo matches, for the most part, weren't quite as extreme back the as we might like to think. Neither of us can say 'ignorant' about things we're both guessing at - all we can do ask what it most likely, and watch the old videos.

[Seir]

@MartialSkeptic Until you've proven that you've trained and can fight, you're just like a virgin who's giving out sex tips. So ahead and cry personal insults you all you want, it's all about content over form. You have no credentials at all. A martial artists should never been afraid to tell anyone what they train in.

[MartialSkeptic]

@Seir OK - I assume you have videos of these no rules death matches. If not, we'll have to accpet evidence like this: youtube.com/watch?v=GesmWClbde­Q&playnext=1&list=PL2012BD3FF9­1ED7CE

Not exactly no rules - it's even got a referee, which seems a bit odd for a no rules match. Interesting how they probably could have kicked each other in the balls, but don't. I think, in all honesty, sometimes we just make the past in to more than it was. It's clearly a sporting match with rules.

[Seir]

@MartialSkeptic Your video fails to load. Quite frankly after looking at your profile I doubt you even train at all. You're just an anonymous coward who wants to feel like being a martial artist without even setting foot in a dojo. I'm done answer your stuff. The difference between you and me is that I will state my martial arts background and that I'm not afraid to show who I am unlike you who need to hide behind their anonymity.

[sharkfinnigan]

@Seir i really doubt the guy has ever been hit in the face with anything but a cock lol

[MartialSkeptic]

@Seir You have to add in the H T T P yourself - as youtube doesn't allow links. The video is of a classic Gracie vale tudo fight - and you'll see that it's nothing like how you imagined it. As for personal insults - it's a shame when a mature, fact based discussion descends in to that - but if you have to resort to that kind of thing, it shows that you must not be very convinced of your argument, or have no answer to the evidence presented to you.

[Seir]

@MartialSkeptic Stuff it you fraud. It's you who's been ignoring the evidence in the video and who's been asking nothing but the same things that have been asked in the past before. There is no fact in your argument. This has hardly been mature considering your martial arts background is in question. You present no credentials. And in regards to personal insults, it's all about content than form. You are no martial artist, you're just someone who wants to feel like they can fight.

[kingfbi]

@Seir Ufcs banned eye pokes and biting even in the first days in 93. Maybe that shows the gracies were afraid of these moves cos they were aware those were lethal and could easily disable a bjj guy.

I do respect bjj though so dont get me wrong. Its a great art. Just stating a fact.

[Seir]

@kingfbi Um no, they were a penalty but they weren't banned. Look up "Andy Anderson vs John Hess" and you'll see that eye gouging was allowed. Also look up "Gerard Gordeau vs Yuki Nakai" where in that match Yuki Nakai was repeatedly eye-gouged to the point where he was blinded in that eye, those eye gouges couldn't make Nakai let go of a heel hook.

[kingfbi]

@Seir Yes early ufc did ban eye pokes and biting. I have the dvds and they said it specifically. I have the new royce gracie dvd which he said it too. Its called "ufc ultimate royce gracie". Its a recent release. Of course some tough guys can withstand eye pokes. Some can withstand more punishment than others.

But just saying that overall, it is painful and most cant withstand it. If that guy had poked very very deep into his eye witht the intention to hurt, he would have problems.

[Seir]

@kingfbi Dude, look at the John Hess vs Andy Anderson fight. Andy Anderson was getting his eyes gouged. Also, I Royce Gracie also said that Gerard Gordeau was biting him in their match. I also noticed that you haven't addressed the Yuki Nakai vs Gerard Gordeau fight. Yuki Nakai was definitely hurt, and it didn't stop him from heel hooking Gerard Gordeau.

[kingfbi]

@Seir I was away so didnt have time to reply. Yes i am aware bjj guys have been eye gouged and bitten.

I am aware people have different pain tolerance levels. Some can take it, some cant. Just as some people can take several hits to the chin, some get flattened by one. But what im saying is that in the street, you will everything you can to win. If your bjj isnt working, then you will resort to dirty fighting which you dont normally do in the ring.

I know i will

[sharkfinnigan]

@MartialSkeptic dude have you ever even been in a fight? its hard to hit someone in a large area like their head let alone pin point shots to even smaller vital areas, and if you look on youtube there IS a vid of a hapkido instructor that tries to grab royce gracies nuts, and guess what, he gets choked out lol, funny how that happens, only and idiot would try to pull a dirty trick from a less dominant position, the top guy will make you pay 10 fold, because guess what? bjj players can do it too

[MartialSkeptic]

@sharkfinnigan Well that's obvious, and yes, I've had not a lot, but more than most, serious fights, as in, people trying to kill me. I didn't win any of them but I survived them all. I'm not talking about pressure point strikes, I'm talking about the common sense that tells us that no style is invincible. If you want to think a style can somehow gurantee your safety from certain kinds of shots, that seems unlikely and dogmatic - and, I may say, seems based on total lack of having real fights.

[MartialSkeptic]

@sharkfinnigan Secondly, get your dogma straight. BJJ players can't punch other BJJ players in the balls. Can they? Well, can they? Is BJJ immune to ball shots and eye gouges, or isn't it? If it is, then no, BJJ players can't according to your logic, hit other BJJ players in the balls. If you think about it, it's akin to saying BJJ gives you magic powers that prevent all theseperfectly common attacks. But then you're also saying 'BJJ can do it too!' See, it doesn't even make sense.

[BJJBaylor]

Great vid.

[dougdoug2006]

Thanks, Draculino. I don't know how many debates I've had with Ninjers about ball grabbing/biting while in the triangle. I will now save my "breath" and point them to this video.

[MrHighkickr]

@dougdoug2006

why, this video doesn't prove anything. Its better to stand there and kick them then try and wrap your legs around them.

[derabb1t]

Best self defense video demo I have ever seen. Would love to train down there one day. One of our guys trained with you guys for a bit and said it was awesome.

White belt under Dominic Parker at GB San Diego.

[UmDiaEuFicoBom]

Awesome response!!!

I`m just a blue belt and the first thing I thought when I read the description was that if the guy went for my balls I would put him to sleep with a triangle.

It would be fun to see the alleged master fight a good bjj black belt!

[Diuable]

how do you defend a strike to the balls? no straight person would grab.

[UmDiaEuFicoBom]

@Diuable Most simple thing would be to pull the guy towards you with your legs when he postures to strike.

[brozac1011]

Is ur online bjj training for beginners to advance

[phoskins]

Ya know when you transition to armbar he actually can try to bite your left if he wanted to....well, if he had the mental faculty to think about that after his arm gets snapped in two

[ARIS1979]

lol great video. I had to make video myself a year ago explaining to a guy that trying to catch my balls while im on mount its suicide. Carefull people lots of ball graber Ninjas out there hahahahahahahah

[DraculinoTeamTx]

@ARIS1979

Lmao

[pchancey007]

@ARIS1979 If you find 'em send 'em to south TX, I got a pair waitin' for 'em! =D

[GSPRKY]

LOL! "Wolverine, try to grab my balls." That made me laugh. Thanks for getting Drac & Wolverine to do this video man. I've always wondered how they would defend these types of things, sad thing is that I never thought about the triangle when they reach to grab your balls. That triangle was basic to, I should have been able to spot that. It was also cool seeing Drac transition between different control positions. Thanks for the upload!

[JiuDoRick]

I don't think you can even get to someone nuts from the front like that unless they play a super loose guard. All the biting and eye gouging and groin attacks also work both ways.

[DraculinoTeamTx]

@JiuDoRick

Exactly, your nutts actually hang below the line of contact..you would have to dig and therefore leaving yourself vulnerable to attacks.

[CrazyTom34]

@JiuDoRick

lol yes! we had a guy on his first day ask one of our black bets when he was showing top position mount, "what if the guy on the bottom bites you" and our black belt says "your in the better position, cross face him and then bite him back!"

[MrHighkickr]

@CrazyTom34

why even give him the option, KICK HIS FACE OFF!

[DraculinoTeamTx]

@MrHighkickr

Geez, why didn't I think of that *Rolling my eyes*

[TyDLewis]

Classic!

[gavcorang]

Drac you fuuny

[RodrigoVanilla93]

grabbing the balls is not easy my brother

hahah i love draculino