your quite right mate i wasnt born. but my dad was there and later he taught me a few rudiments of civilisation like the offside rule and why you should never run onto a football pitch like a fucking dickhead.
I'm very sorry you haven't got a Dad and were raised in a dustbin by a tramp or something but he isn't offside until a )the ball is passed forward, rather than hitting someone in the fucking shin, and b)the referee blows his whistle, and swearing at me isn't gonna change it at this late stage is it?
To those posters saying that the interpretation of the offside rule was different then versus now - you are completely correct. BUT in both eras the ball has to be PASSED for any player to be called offside - that has remained the same. The player who made the tackle retained possession of the ball until the final pass for the goal. I couldn't see where the player who scored was standing when the final pass was made but this was a VERY brave and correct decision by the referee.
This was offside back then, now the benefit of the doubt and not interfering with play would come in. But I dont agree saying "It was a tackle/interception so its not a pass". Bullshit. If a ball hits an attacker in the box (tackled, passed, or deflected) and lands to a player beyond the last defender he is offside because his team mate got the final touch. He is offside in my view
Two clear offside situations BY THE RULES IN 1971. First at the time of the interception, because the other player did not have to ultimately benefit from his offiside position (since he actually scored the goal, he of course did benefit from his offside position) and the ultimate pass was also a forward pass. Tinker was judged incompetent and never permitted by the FA to ref a Leeds game again.
It was NOT about whether the offside player was involved in play! The ref interpreted that the WBA player who intercepted Hunter's pass never actually passed the ball. For offside to be given then and now a PASS has to be made.The player retained possession himself and ran with the ball until he laid it off for the goal. Granted, many refs at the time would have given offside because the WBA player's first touch was so far ahead and the other player was standing so far offside but no pass made.
You lot seem to forget that the offside rule back then didn't account for whether a player was interfering or not. If you were ahead of the last defender even 50 metres away from the ball, it was offside and a free kick. The current version of the offside rule has only been in 15-20 years.
do people need this explaining to them with glove puppets or something? THE REFREREE DOES NOT HAVE TO BLOW HIS WHISTLE UNTIL SOMEBODY PASSES-PASSES! PASSES!-THE FUCKING BALL FORWARD. HE CAN IF HE WANTS TO, BUT HE DIDN'T HAVE TO, BECAUSE HE IS THE BLOODY SODDING REF!
you're calline ME a moron and not only do you not understand the offside rule now, you didn't even understand it then, you shit thick fucking cunt. he doesn't HAVE to blow his whistle until he wants to HE'S THE FUCKING REFEREE
@reltonpelton you were no doubt not even thought about in 1971 never mind watching football,but if you were you are more of a moron than I thought.It makes no diffrenece about passing the ball or what the referee decided on the day,Astle was off side in the Leeds half when Brown received the ball,he was not off side when he scored but it did not matter then as he had come from an offside position and the linesman was right!So fuck off and shut up.
@hartforp what does it matter when i was born? the offside rule is not so complex that it takes a lifetime to understand it. it is your opinion that the linesman was right. it is my opinion that the referee was right. it was the referee's opinion that he was right, and his was the only opinion that mattered, because he was the referee.
'You are right in nowdays laws but in those days if you were offside you were offside and nothing to do with intefering with play.'
in those days, just like now, you were offside if the referee blows his whistle and says you are offside. and that's really all there is to be said about it eh?
i get an email about this at least once a month. it was forty years ago i wasnt even born!
there's an element to the club I love that I really wish wasn't there. if you're gonna run on the bloody pitch, at least understand the offside rule first!
just for the record, I love Leeds. Of course he made that decision because everyone hated Leeds and they were all aginst us for various reasons but you can't really complain when he is technically correct. you can complain about the european cup final because we were cheated by the referee breaking or ignoring the rules. but in this instance we were cheated by a correct application of the rules!
WBA's Colin Sugget was coming back from the Leeds half and when Tony Brown intecepted Norman Hunters pass to Giles. When Brown knocked the ball 20 yards ahead the linesman correctly flagged Sugget offside. Brown is clearly seen to pull up his run, then astonishingly the ref waves play on. Brown resumes his run and plays Astle in for the goal.
leeds were a fantastic side. watch the footage against southampton in 1972. john giles was one of the best passersof a ball ever. but they were dirty and knew every trick in the book. that is all down to revie. bribing refs, bribing players(wolves 1972). he also took his 30 pieces of silver from the arabs whilst england manager. that is why that leeds team and revie in particular will never be remembered outside of leeds with any fondness.
@colavfc70 You make a reasonable comment there, mate, and it's ironic that these days, the dirtiest, slimiest bent, bribing, arse licking, soul less sides are Manchester United! Grandad Ferguson looks riddled with gout and burnt out. That said, you can't deny that Leeds were the best in Europe in those days.
Leeds fans may be interested to know that the ref Mike Reed who celebrated when Liverpool scored v Leeds a decade ago was a Liverpool supporter (and was shown on Match of the Day, a couple of years later after his retirement ,at Anfield with the Liverpool staff- none of the commentator panel seemed to notice him). Anyway that was a great Leeds team under Revie and a dirty one too, Brian Clough wasn't far wrong there. I wasn't sorry they didn't win the 71 League but i think the ref was wrong
at the time knowing the rules i thought it was offside. Wikipedia: "Although the offside law has changed over the years, Tinkler's decision to overrule the linseman was apparently not correct as at the time. Unlike today's rulings on players being "active" or "interfering with play", this interpretation was not part of the laws of the game at the time. Even though the ball was never actually played to Suggett he was offside"
grefff12 I still think it was offside, but even if it wasn't, the ref Tinkler should have taken the linesmans raised flag into consideration and stopped play.
Also you're way off about Leeds being 'nutters' with no skill. You even exempt Giles who was the craftiest fouler of them all. Finally Revie was not a thug either as a player, a manager or a man. Stop listening to the bitter ramblings of the players Leeds regularly outclassed and do some proper research before posting
This interpretation of the rules is completley wrong. It doesen't matter if a pass is intended for someone to be offside. If it hits off a players bum when he's not looking and goes forward it can be an offside pass. I tihnk you're thinking of the pass back rule. Secondly this is not offside. I am reading The Unforgiven atm and as a referee i wanted to see this for myself. Under todays rules he is clearly not actively interfering with play, there fore there is no offside.
Remember Leeds United were the 1st team in English football to have every single player in their side as an International. Today its not such a big thing, but in 1970/71 it was a huge statement in fact. They could play & everyone knew that, but in those days it was legal to tackle from behind. And when you are facing teams like Liverpool's Tommy Smith or Chelsea's Chopper Harris you had to fight fire with fire. Leeds were a great side, even today many people still remember the names of that side
What alot of people don't realise is that Leeds United could play. However, they came from a time where the pitches were awful, and every team of their period had a hard man, or 2 in their side. Please don't forget these people that played at that time - Tommy Smith and Ron Yeats (Liverpool), Nobby Stiles (Manchester United), Peter Storey (Arsenal), Chopper Harris (Chelsea), Dave Mckay... are just a few names to mention from this period that Leeds played in. These did hurt people.
The Leeds player had intercepted the ball in his own half and ran with the ball; yet a WBA player had his arm held aloft as if appealing something, an off-side? How could this be? The referee had given a correct call and allowed the goal to stand.
Under the old rules he was miles offside. You only had to be level in those days to be ruled offside. Plus the ref used to blow up even if a player was slow coming back unlike today. As Shankley said the rule in those days was "If your anywhere on the pitch your interferring with play." Those were the rules.
how can any of you say this is not offside, im assuming we are all football fans and know the rules of offside or at least how the rule used to be back then. if a ball was played into the opposing half and their furthest player foreward had no opposing player { defender} in front of him NO MATTER WHAT then he is offside, those that say he was not interfering then whats he doing on the pitch!.
@willboothspitfire It wasn't offside. He didn't pass it forward to another person, he passed it to himself, who, when the ball was played, was in his own half. How is it offside? Leeds fans dispute the first one, not the pass to Astle at the end.
If you look at some older comments,you will see that others don't think it was offside.
As I said 2 years ago. You can only be offside when a pass has been made and the player who intercepted the ball was controlling it rather that passing it,so there was no offside in that move.
You can debate whether Astle was offside at the end. Considering the pass was made 16 yards out and a fast runnig Astle comes into picture about 14 yards out,I would say it's unlikely that he was offside.
Irrespective. The ball was played forward...thus COULD have been received by a WBA player. The fact one was not there was irrelevant. The fact that one of their players were yards offside when the ball was played was VERY relevant!! More so that the offside player actually SCORES!
The linesman this side flagged immediately. The ref ignored it. Seconds prior this indicent Eddie Gray scorded a what seemed a perfectly good goal at their end only for it to be disallowed for 'offside'.
just to underscore this one last time. i am not disputing that he was miles into our half, in an offside position. i am just pointing out that you can have all but one of your players as far offside as you like, and until somebody passes the ball forward, the referee doesnt blow his whistle, because nobody has commited any infringement
now watch what happens next. the lad who won the ball dribbles forward himself. jack charlton runs back and plays astle onside. THEN the forward pass is made, and he scores.
the rule on this has never changed. a man in an offside position has not commited a foul until the MOMENT THE BALL IS PASSED FORWARD.
no offense mate, but would it help if i explained it with glove puppets? maybe a catchy song would help you understand? IT WASN'T FUCKING OFFSIDE.
WATCH what happens. at the moment that astle is, i agree, a good ten yards offside. leeds attempt a clearance, the west brom lad sticks his foot out and blocks it. that is not a pass, that is a tackle. it DOESN'T MATTER how far offside he is, because NOBODY HAS PASSED THE BALL FORWARD. until a forward pass is made by west brom, IT IS NOT OFFSIDE.
it has got nothing to do with interfering with play.
@reltonpelton you've misinterpreted the rules. if the ball 'makes contact' with the player and gains an advantage, this is sufficient to cause an offside offence.
leeds were robbed, like so many times in the 70s. fkts mot
@reltonpelton it doesn't matter if a player tackles, intercepts or passes. if they have the final touch it counts towards offside. as it happens you have that wrong and you have also missd the point completely. the guy in the middle picture was offside by about 5 yards. in those days offside was offside. nowadyas the goal would be ok due to not interfering with play
@reltonpelto ,,,sorry mate you are wrong , offside then was offside if you plaued the ball forward,,, check out the 75 euro cup final leeds v munich lorimer volley into the top corner, disallowed cos bremner was offside , also the final pass went forward to an offside player ,,, also i was at the game!!!!
@reltonpelton the linesman just made the decision to quickly, because you are meant to call the offside if you think the offside player maybe involved in the play. So the linesman didn't think properly, he thought the offside player would run with the ball instead of the tackler. And whether the ball that gets to him is a pass or not is completely irrelevant, it is whether the player would be involved in the play.
@reltonpelton Not sute how old you are ,but you would be right if the game was played today ,but the rules were different back then,if the player who scores was off side in the bulid up he was offside, hence the linesman (correctly) raised his flag.In those days it did not matter if you were or were not interfering with play ,if you were offside, then just because your own player ran beyond you did not play you onside .Thts why the rule was changed.
@hartforp . The Rothman's Football directory from 1972 says in the Laws of the Game chapter.."A player in an offside position shall not be penalised unless, in the opinion of the Referee, he is interfering with the play or with an opponent, or is seeking to gain an advantage by being in an offside position."
Colin Suggett was doing neither, so although the linesman did the right thing in raising his flag to signal Suggett offside, the referee did everything correctly within the rules.
@hartforp Furthermore, Astle was behind Brown as Brown passed for his goal, so he could not have been off-side, either, as Allan Clarke claimed in his autobiography. The goal was good by the rules of 1970-71. Leeds badly missed Lorimer and Madeley on the day, and West Brom just played more adventurously. Tony Brown's first goal, they just sliced through Leeds' defence like a warm knife through butter....
@hartforp Finally, Leeds had a seven point lead at the end of March. They didn't lose that Title because of this decision. They couldn't beat Newcastle, and couldn't beat Huddersfield, both games played without Bremner. Then Lorimer was injured. Arsenal also had long term injuries to Charlie George and Peter Simpson that season, but just kept winning. The most Leeds would have got out of this game was a point, and Arsenal would still have won the league on goal average.
@hartforp The defending for that goal was diabolical, Brown even stops to wait for a whistle, but carries on when none comes. He ran from the halfway line, yet no player ran with him, a cardinal sin, even in sunday league football. I think now is the time to stop harping on about Tinkler's decision depriving Leeds of the Championship. They imploded on their own . And Tinkler is an easy scapegoat to blame. The facts just don't back up that argument. And Barry Davies was a disgrace that afternoon.
@reltonpelton Where is the 1971 rule stating it must be an intended pass to be offside? The rules are different now over active involvement (favouring attackers more now), but surely it's about who touched or played it last, whatever may have been intended. The ball went forward and Astle was in an offside position according to the 1971 rules. I wasn't sorry Leeds lost but i still can't see how the ref got it right.
look, it is really, really, really simple. at no point was the ball PASSED FORWARD , by a west brom player, to another one who was in an offside position. , and that is why it wasn't offside.
a west brom player was in an offside position when west brom won the ball in their own half, but the rule quite clearly stated at the time, as it does now, that the offside rule relates to THE MOMENT THE BALL IS PASSED FORWARD.
@reltonpelton Wht, u obviously don't know the rules back in the good old days. The guy was in our half by nearly 10 yards, and back then, it was offside, pathetic linesman.
First game I ever went to. I was in the Cop aged 9 with my Dad.
Two memories stand out, first the police all linking arms the full length of the Cop to stop any pitch invasion and secondly all the glasses (spectacles) being thrown at the ref.
My Dad wouldn't take me to another game for 2 years!
no it was the first pass/ run, there was another WB player in our half and it didnt matter if he wasnt interfeering in those days, the flag was raised but play went on. then the second pass looks slightly offside.
It was clearly offside. That's what makes it even funnier. And the comments from Leeds dicks pretending they were once a big club just mean that the laughs keep on coming.
well nice to see another leeds fan that knows fuck all about football, liverpool won 8-0 nil btw. also liverpool may not win the prem but at least we aren't down in league one like u are lollllllllllzzzzzzzz fuck u scum bag when ur team plays in a half decent league then u can talk! and also dont forget we recently beat u 1-0 so shut up scum bag
no may about it mate, and from the texts fron l'pool " fans " see in the papers..you glory hunters will be looking for another team to follow soon...or maybe you'll be watching Baseball at Anfield soon.
Yes we're in lge 1, but our support is still strong, 38'000 in that league?
Your lot wouldn't manage that .
You know that we are where we are because a half baked chairman spent money we didn't have and got us in deep shit.
are u serious mate or just fucking retarded liverpool have sum of the best fans in the world, leeds couldn't ever compare to the passion of liverpool fans, leeds are scum of the world and everyone knows it. from the champions league to league 1 what a team
Yea right..such passion from L'pool fans they talk about going to support another team..part time glory hunters..you beat man u and think you rule the fucking league
OK Leeds are in Lge 1, but just look at the gates we get, and the atmosphere in the ground, that's passion and the reason why we have such a great home record.
You really would do better to concentrate on your own failing team than trolling Leeds videos and leaving pathetic comments.
Oh yes, you beat us 1-0.. ok as you mentioned it..let me remind you..Leeds..a lowly lge 1 team don't forget....out played Premier side Liverpool for most of the match, hardly anything to brag about is it ?
And why do you go looking for Leeds videos..if you're in the premiership?...this is the 2nd one I've seen you on..you're probably on more..don't you like watching your own teams videos, you sad trolling scouse shite.
999 times out of a 1000 in those days it would have been given offside as it went into Leeds half, the linesman flagged for it. Trouble was for the second pass Astle was in front of ball in an offside position but ref and linesman that busy saying not offside to first part they lost the plot.
West Brom hadn't won an away game all season before this match. Also Leeds had drawn their two matches before this against mid-table Newcastle and Huddersfield. Sounds to me like somebody was choking.
Leeds suffered with much peverse refereeing at the Time Chelsea in 1967, Milan in 1973,Bayern Munich in 1975, but the West Brom one was best of all.A man offside in Leeds half of the field before the 'active rule', and then a goal scorer who scores when he is offside, a linesman who tells the ref they are off side and a ref who simply does not want to know what his linesman saw. Peverse refereeing hinders Leeds United as much as it benefits Man United now when matches last until they score.
Yes they where feeling the pressure, after dominating the whole season.Arsenal where winning 1-0 every week and Leeds did begin to wilt a little.However I was making the point that peverse refereeing dogged them constantly.Remember they beat Arsenal on the run in at Elland Road, so they did not wilt for long.
Great Video, I was at that game, and any time that Leeds got beaten, they always complained that someone cheated them, just get over it you were beaten by the better side that day.
Perfectly good decision so I don't know what the shouts about.Player 1 intercepts the ball in his own half,Player 2 is in an offiside position but is not involved in active play.
In those days "active play" didn't exist. If you were offside you were offside. We had Lorimer's goal disallowed in '75 European Cup final because of that. But I suppose you think that was a good decision too. Can't have it both ways.
Okay the terminology changed - so I'll rephrase it : he wasn't intefering with play
Okay? I can't bring to mind the 75 goal - is it on here anywhere? Actually where Leeds were truly cheated was in 67 Cup Semi Final v Chelsea and Lorimer had a goal disallowed because a player in the defensie wall at a free kick encroahed, Going back to the original though - why wasn't the player who actualyl scored the goal given offisde when the ball was passed to him?
"Interfering with play" was not around then. The guy is offside just by being on the pitch. The linesman flagged (though you don't see it on this video) which is why the players stopped. Tinkler chose to overrule his linesman which was wrong. Many people say Astle was also offside when he scored but from this clip it's very difficult to come to a conclusion. But Sugget was 100% offside and the decision to play on was 100% wrong.
"Interfering with play" was certainly around then,also were things like :interfering with an opponent" (I like the phrasing!) So was "seeking to gain an advantage" this one would support your argument" I would have thought. Note that wording has now changed to "gains and advantage"
The goal scorer is off side when he scores, or was he inactive when the ball was played from Albions half, or is a man offside as astle was when he took the pass from tony brown and went on and scored, or did the ref not understand the rules like you appear not to.
Football doesn't have rules,it does,however, have 17 Laws.Interfering with play WAS in the Laws of the game at the time,it always has been.I'm certified (FIFA sacntioned certification) as a referee and referee instructor. Sugget was in an offside position and moving toward his own half.He hadn't received a pass nor was a pass attempted to him.
actually its the first player whos offside as h kicks it from his own half into the the leeds half and theirs an albion player there- it dosent matter if he wasnt interfeering as th rules were different back then
Oh pack it in,how the hell can a player kicking the ball to himself be offside? Christ's sake man look atthe Law book sometime eh? Interfering with play WAS in the Law at the time.
He kicked the ball forward and gathered it himself so how the hell could he be offside? And if,indeed,the linesman had raised his flag (no-one knows for sure) and the Leeds players stopped then it's their own daft fault isn't it?
Great goal by a legend, obviously a correct decision by the ref (if you know anything about football psot SkySports) and so sweet to see Big Don marching around like a fool. Still, he had the England glory years ahead of him!
god this takes me back.remember my dad taking me from leeds to huddersfield 1970 71?i have never crapped myself as much as on entering huddersield,everyone seemed to have a skinhead.we came out of the ground half hour before the end.i know i was young but the atmosphere and tension i have never experienced anthing like it.one more point do they have churches in huddersfield with frank worthington as there religion.they seemed to worship the man.?
it should go down as one of the best refereeing decisions in english fooball history. All that pressure, the linesmans flag in the air. But the referee calls it as he sees it. And the television proves he's spot on. As a leeds fan though, I'd still like to firebomb his house!
The ball was never played to the player in the offside position. The guy who intercepted the pass retained position until he slid Astle in for the goal.
The Laws haven't changed since. The decision was correct.
At that time, any player in the opposition's half, and in a position beyond the last defending player, when the ball entered the half, was considered offside, irrespective of whether deemed to be interfering with play.
So, technically, it was offside. Hence the linesman's flag and the Leeds players stopping.
It was a bad decision.
Personally, I think the offside law should have stayed that way. Nowadays, there are too many grey areas and interpretation of "interfering" is too subjective.
To my mind, if a player is not interfering with play in some way then that player should not be on the pitch.
No, you're wrong. You are confusing two different things.
It's true that the offside law has changed since, regarding "interfering". But the law was and always has stated "WHEN THE BALL IS PLAYED" (my capitals)..
In this case the ball never was "played" - that is, it was NEVER passed. Instead, the player who originally pushed the ball forward was the next player to touch it, and therefore never "played", or passed, the ball - for the purposes of the offisde law he remained in posession throughout.
Hence the referee's decsion was 100% correct, then and now.
Ironically I actually agree with you that the "interfering" law which pertains today is a farce
no hge wasnt them days it was different the other player who was offside came for the ball which made him offside then the other player takes it but the linesmans flag has already gone up so everyone stops exept from the player who dosent know so then the referee waves on and they score this actually cost us a shot at the championship
I don't know why noone likes leeds united in England..It's one of the teams which suffered more wrong referee's decisions in football history.........
The rule is, and always has been, that the ball has to be passed forward to constitute offside. Brown takes it on himself, the correct thing to do if one of your own players is in an offside position. If he'd passed it to another player,then, in those days anyway, the offside would have been given. The ref does well to realise the lino is wrong and correctly waves play on.
ray tinkler what a legend ! haha, remember laughing hard that day, still so funny now to see the scum shit on haha, brings back memorys of when we used to take leeds every season haha..red army !!!!!
PS Norman bites yer legs/ass was a legend at your club and later at mine, so we have more in common than you think . hope you win POs after last year losin out.
My beloved fabulous LEEDS UNITED were not a nasty cheating team, we were the best team in the world at the time , our football was simply sublime and it was a pleasure to follow them in those days . We bore resentment and envy everywhere we went in equal measure and if it wasn't for the fact we that fell foul of some of the most perverse refereeing decisions in footballing history we would have had the deserved honours to prove it . Leeds were and still are a way of life for thousands like me.
tiddler 111 get fuckd u nonce, that is how football should be playd and what u on about these days our team is a bunch of puffs ... who do u support might i ask ... sort your self out tit
was just trying to wind you up and it worked. or is all this time in league 1 gettin' to you? hope you get millwall in the POs. and to be honest i've got nothing against you and wish you well with getting the promotion your fans deserve. good luck !
how the fuck is he supposed to be offside in his own half? typical leeds then and now. and they wonder why the country laughs at where they are today.
25,000 Fans don't laugh at Leeds , that is how many they are still attracting down in that temporary shithole we have now found ourselves. The other week there were more at Elland Road than the rest of the Div one grounds put together that saturday, and we don't really give a toss who else now find it amusing .Leeds are for life not just a couple of seasons in the wilderness.If it takes 10 years to get back to where we belong so fucking what ,we are having fun these days just a blip that's all
He's not in his own half and I'm nuetral. It's the bloke at0:06 this side of the centre circle about eight yards in front of the ball. Sorry, can't be bothered to spell check nuetral:-)
yeah well, it's all changed these days because the guy RUNS with it and CANT be offside. regardless of the other bein in an offside position. it hardly matters much now anyway. what's done is done..
think you'll find out keith its alike a resentful chant coz leeds were robbed,watch the european cup v bayern and the ecwc v milan,leeds were cheated in both and thats a fact like derby county in the semi against juventus,refs were easily "brought " then,ive seen many english clubs fight against the odds in europe,not just leeds but ALL back then
Can a Leeds fan please explain to me what year they were champions of Europe because I just can't seem to find any record of them winning the European cup
we were robbed the referee never officated again after the game we should have had 2 goals then we would have won it so thats why we sing WACCOE because of the events of the game
Don't think I don't have sympathy for you because I do, I hate cheating and Leicester were fixed out of the UEFA cup as well by being robbed so I know it happens a lot in Europe.
Was the offside rule different back then, because the ball played over the half line was not offside, or was it just because the person ahead of him, despite not having the ball played to him, was offside.
The rule has never been any different in this respect. Tony Brown carried the ball over the halfway line himself rather than passing the ball and, as such, was onside. Astle stops running, putting himself in an onside position. Then starts running again. It was the linesman that was wrong, and the referee was right to over-rule him.
Astle is The King!
baggies5468 3 weeks ago
gelded road end that day, we was cheated, too scared to go on pitch as was only 15 then
geofflorimer 2 months ago
Now come on the second pass is offside !?!?!?FFS!
r4h4al 2 months ago
What song is this? :)
Toomuchwin22 3 months ago
Tinkler ... Fuck you to this day, you cheat. The crowd had every right to go beserk.
Freespirit8100 5 months ago
your quite right mate i wasnt born. but my dad was there and later he taught me a few rudiments of civilisation like the offside rule and why you should never run onto a football pitch like a fucking dickhead.
reltonpelton 7 months ago
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reltonpelton 7 months ago
I'm very sorry you haven't got a Dad and were raised in a dustbin by a tramp or something but he isn't offside until a )the ball is passed forward, rather than hitting someone in the fucking shin, and b)the referee blows his whistle, and swearing at me isn't gonna change it at this late stage is it?
reltonpelton 7 months ago
To those posters saying that the interpretation of the offside rule was different then versus now - you are completely correct. BUT in both eras the ball has to be PASSED for any player to be called offside - that has remained the same. The player who made the tackle retained possession of the ball until the final pass for the goal. I couldn't see where the player who scored was standing when the final pass was made but this was a VERY brave and correct decision by the referee.
losgatoscal 7 months ago
Offside rules then were different from what they are today
Pikselator 9 months ago
No offside. What's the problem here?
DoctorBoosh 10 months ago
This was offside back then, now the benefit of the doubt and not interfering with play would come in. But I dont agree saying "It was a tackle/interception so its not a pass". Bullshit. If a ball hits an attacker in the box (tackled, passed, or deflected) and lands to a player beyond the last defender he is offside because his team mate got the final touch. He is offside in my view
ringo22 11 months ago 2
Two clear offside situations BY THE RULES IN 1971. First at the time of the interception, because the other player did not have to ultimately benefit from his offiside position (since he actually scored the goal, he of course did benefit from his offside position) and the ultimate pass was also a forward pass. Tinker was judged incompetent and never permitted by the FA to ref a Leeds game again.
leedsfanca 11 months ago 2
It was NOT about whether the offside player was involved in play! The ref interpreted that the WBA player who intercepted Hunter's pass never actually passed the ball. For offside to be given then and now a PASS has to be made.The player retained possession himself and ran with the ball until he laid it off for the goal. Granted, many refs at the time would have given offside because the WBA player's first touch was so far ahead and the other player was standing so far offside but no pass made.
losgatoscal 1 year ago
You lot seem to forget that the offside rule back then didn't account for whether a player was interfering or not. If you were ahead of the last defender even 50 metres away from the ball, it was offside and a free kick. The current version of the offside rule has only been in 15-20 years.
sunnydalehighdropout 1 year ago 2
Was astle not off side when he receives the pass?
zabzab1231 1 year ago
do people need this explaining to them with glove puppets or something? THE REFREREE DOES NOT HAVE TO BLOW HIS WHISTLE UNTIL SOMEBODY PASSES-PASSES! PASSES!-THE FUCKING BALL FORWARD. HE CAN IF HE WANTS TO, BUT HE DIDN'T HAVE TO, BECAUSE HE IS THE BLOODY SODDING REF!
you're calline ME a moron and not only do you not understand the offside rule now, you didn't even understand it then, you shit thick fucking cunt. he doesn't HAVE to blow his whistle until he wants to HE'S THE FUCKING REFEREE
reltonpelton 1 year ago
@reltonpelton you were no doubt not even thought about in 1971 never mind watching football,but if you were you are more of a moron than I thought.It makes no diffrenece about passing the ball or what the referee decided on the day,Astle was off side in the Leeds half when Brown received the ball,he was not off side when he scored but it did not matter then as he had come from an offside position and the linesman was right!So fuck off and shut up.
hartforp 7 months ago
@hartforp what does it matter when i was born? the offside rule is not so complex that it takes a lifetime to understand it. it is your opinion that the linesman was right. it is my opinion that the referee was right. it was the referee's opinion that he was right, and his was the only opinion that mattered, because he was the referee.
reltonpelton 3 months ago
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biggi0401 1 year ago
'You are right in nowdays laws but in those days if you were offside you were offside and nothing to do with intefering with play.'
in those days, just like now, you were offside if the referee blows his whistle and says you are offside. and that's really all there is to be said about it eh?
i get an email about this at least once a month. it was forty years ago i wasnt even born!
reltonpelton 1 year ago
there's an element to the club I love that I really wish wasn't there. if you're gonna run on the bloody pitch, at least understand the offside rule first!
reltonpelton 1 year ago
just for the record, I love Leeds. Of course he made that decision because everyone hated Leeds and they were all aginst us for various reasons but you can't really complain when he is technically correct. you can complain about the european cup final because we were cheated by the referee breaking or ignoring the rules. but in this instance we were cheated by a correct application of the rules!
reltonpelton 1 year ago
WBA's Colin Sugget was coming back from the Leeds half and when Tony Brown intecepted Norman Hunters pass to Giles. When Brown knocked the ball 20 yards ahead the linesman correctly flagged Sugget offside. Brown is clearly seen to pull up his run, then astonishingly the ref waves play on. Brown resumes his run and plays Astle in for the goal.
Chezzmeister 1 year ago
leeds were a fantastic side. watch the footage against southampton in 1972. john giles was one of the best passersof a ball ever. but they were dirty and knew every trick in the book. that is all down to revie. bribing refs, bribing players(wolves 1972). he also took his 30 pieces of silver from the arabs whilst england manager. that is why that leeds team and revie in particular will never be remembered outside of leeds with any fondness.
colavfc70 1 year ago
@colavfc70 You make a reasonable comment there, mate, and it's ironic that these days, the dirtiest, slimiest bent, bribing, arse licking, soul less sides are Manchester United! Grandad Ferguson looks riddled with gout and burnt out. That said, you can't deny that Leeds were the best in Europe in those days.
bluebus270 1 year ago
i don't see any offside i really don't get it.
mrkacperp 1 year ago
No offside! I was watching the video from beginning till the end and was wondering where the offiside was... Everything seem perfect to me..
zhenyu33 1 year ago
Relton Pelton is right; the West Brom player intercepted the ball and ran with it - no offside !!
Strange how Leeds supporters never mention the offside goal the same week they beat Arsenal 1-0 with.
warwickshiressteam 1 year ago 3
Leeds fans may be interested to know that the ref Mike Reed who celebrated when Liverpool scored v Leeds a decade ago was a Liverpool supporter (and was shown on Match of the Day, a couple of years later after his retirement ,at Anfield with the Liverpool staff- none of the commentator panel seemed to notice him). Anyway that was a great Leeds team under Revie and a dirty one too, Brian Clough wasn't far wrong there. I wasn't sorry they didn't win the 71 League but i think the ref was wrong
mizofan 1 year ago
at the time knowing the rules i thought it was offside. Wikipedia: "Although the offside law has changed over the years, Tinkler's decision to overrule the linseman was apparently not correct as at the time. Unlike today's rulings on players being "active" or "interfering with play", this interpretation was not part of the laws of the game at the time. Even though the ball was never actually played to Suggett he was offside"
mizofan 1 year ago 2
grefff12 I still think it was offside, but even if it wasn't, the ref Tinkler should have taken the linesmans raised flag into consideration and stopped play.
Also you're way off about Leeds being 'nutters' with no skill. You even exempt Giles who was the craftiest fouler of them all. Finally Revie was not a thug either as a player, a manager or a man. Stop listening to the bitter ramblings of the players Leeds regularly outclassed and do some proper research before posting
helltopo 1 year ago 2
@Reltonpelton.
This interpretation of the rules is completley wrong. It doesen't matter if a pass is intended for someone to be offside. If it hits off a players bum when he's not looking and goes forward it can be an offside pass. I tihnk you're thinking of the pass back rule. Secondly this is not offside. I am reading The Unforgiven atm and as a referee i wanted to see this for myself. Under todays rules he is clearly not actively interfering with play, there fore there is no offside.
Lexatar 1 year ago
Funny how Leeds spit their dummies out when they feel an injustice, yet they served up so many with dirty, cheating ways.
Great team but cheating bastards.
Johnoppo 1 year ago
Remember Leeds United were the 1st team in English football to have every single player in their side as an International. Today its not such a big thing, but in 1970/71 it was a huge statement in fact. They could play & everyone knew that, but in those days it was legal to tackle from behind. And when you are facing teams like Liverpool's Tommy Smith or Chelsea's Chopper Harris you had to fight fire with fire. Leeds were a great side, even today many people still remember the names of that side
redjam40 1 year ago
What alot of people don't realise is that Leeds United could play. However, they came from a time where the pitches were awful, and every team of their period had a hard man, or 2 in their side. Please don't forget these people that played at that time - Tommy Smith and Ron Yeats (Liverpool), Nobby Stiles (Manchester United), Peter Storey (Arsenal), Chopper Harris (Chelsea), Dave Mckay... are just a few names to mention from this period that Leeds played in. These did hurt people.
redjam40 1 year ago
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redjam40 1 year ago
excellente f off Billy you pratt !
klnine 1 year ago
The guy he passed it to was in a offside position, and he scored the winning goal by being in a offside position! Leeds was robbed!
renegadeexpress1983 1 year ago
There was no pass forward, so there was no offside, old rules or new rules.
Zorg2006 1 year ago
The Leeds player had intercepted the ball in his own half and ran with the ball; yet a WBA player had his arm held aloft as if appealing something, an off-side? How could this be? The referee had given a correct call and allowed the goal to stand.
eddyvideostar 1 year ago
Under the old rules he was miles offside. You only had to be level in those days to be ruled offside. Plus the ref used to blow up even if a player was slow coming back unlike today. As Shankley said the rule in those days was "If your anywhere on the pitch your interferring with play." Those were the rules.
ashmiles 1 year ago
how can any of you say this is not offside, im assuming we are all football fans and know the rules of offside or at least how the rule used to be back then. if a ball was played into the opposing half and their furthest player foreward had no opposing player { defender} in front of him NO MATTER WHAT then he is offside, those that say he was not interfering then whats he doing on the pitch!.
jonnyrottensp 1 year ago
he was flagged for offside but ref ignored the linesman end of...leeds were robbed
mightywhite41 1 year ago
@willboothspitfire It wasn't offside. He didn't pass it forward to another person, he passed it to himself, who, when the ball was played, was in his own half. How is it offside? Leeds fans dispute the first one, not the pass to Astle at the end.
AjRhCp 1 year ago
Not sure either was offside
LEEDS LEEDS LEEDS
alun101 1 year ago
One of my happiest memories of the 70s! Dirty Leeds once again blowing a trophy chance......
retentiveannals 1 year ago
@Will
If you look at some older comments,you will see that others don't think it was offside.
As I said 2 years ago. You can only be offside when a pass has been made and the player who intercepted the ball was controlling it rather that passing it,so there was no offside in that move.
You can debate whether Astle was offside at the end. Considering the pass was made 16 yards out and a fast runnig Astle comes into picture about 14 yards out,I would say it's unlikely that he was offside.
usernameemanresu 1 year ago
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Irrespective. The ball was played forward...thus COULD have been received by a WBA player. The fact one was not there was irrelevant. The fact that one of their players were yards offside when the ball was played was VERY relevant!! More so that the offside player actually SCORES!
The linesman this side flagged immediately. The ref ignored it. Seconds prior this indicent Eddie Gray scorded a what seemed a perfectly good goal at their end only for it to be disallowed for 'offside'.
foriamonlyahorse2 2 years ago
just to underscore this one last time. i am not disputing that he was miles into our half, in an offside position. i am just pointing out that you can have all but one of your players as far offside as you like, and until somebody passes the ball forward, the referee doesnt blow his whistle, because nobody has commited any infringement
reltonpelton 2 years ago
now watch what happens next. the lad who won the ball dribbles forward himself. jack charlton runs back and plays astle onside. THEN the forward pass is made, and he scores.
the rule on this has never changed. a man in an offside position has not commited a foul until the MOMENT THE BALL IS PASSED FORWARD.
no offense mate, but would it help if i explained it with glove puppets? maybe a catchy song would help you understand? IT WASN'T FUCKING OFFSIDE.
reltonpelton 2 years ago
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reltonpelton 2 years ago
i'm gonna try this one more time.
WATCH what happens. at the moment that astle is, i agree, a good ten yards offside. leeds attempt a clearance, the west brom lad sticks his foot out and blocks it. that is not a pass, that is a tackle. it DOESN'T MATTER how far offside he is, because NOBODY HAS PASSED THE BALL FORWARD. until a forward pass is made by west brom, IT IS NOT OFFSIDE.
it has got nothing to do with interfering with play.
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foriamonlyahorse2 2 years ago
@reltonpelton you've misinterpreted the rules. if the ball 'makes contact' with the player and gains an advantage, this is sufficient to cause an offside offence.
leeds were robbed, like so many times in the 70s. fkts mot
TheKBEES 1 year ago
@reltonpelton You are right in nowdays laws but in those days if you were offside you were offside and nothing to do with intefering with play.
miguelkr 1 year ago
@reltonpelton idiot! he had the final touch! it doesn't matter if it was a pass or a tackle. do yourself a favour and learn the rules!! moron.
biggi0401 1 year ago
@reltonpelton it doesn't matter if a player tackles, intercepts or passes. if they have the final touch it counts towards offside. as it happens you have that wrong and you have also missd the point completely. the guy in the middle picture was offside by about 5 yards. in those days offside was offside. nowadyas the goal would be ok due to not interfering with play
biggi0401 1 year ago
@reltonpelto ,,,sorry mate you are wrong , offside then was offside if you plaued the ball forward,,, check out the 75 euro cup final leeds v munich lorimer volley into the top corner, disallowed cos bremner was offside , also the final pass went forward to an offside player ,,, also i was at the game!!!!
fitz62 1 year ago 2
@reltonpelton the linesman just made the decision to quickly, because you are meant to call the offside if you think the offside player maybe involved in the play. So the linesman didn't think properly, he thought the offside player would run with the ball instead of the tackler. And whether the ball that gets to him is a pass or not is completely irrelevant, it is whether the player would be involved in the play.
poobearpanda345 1 year ago
@reltonpelton you saved me words,, thank you
redredreds100 11 months ago
@reltonpelton No offside. What's the problem here?
Everything reltonpelton says is true.
The ball needs to have been passed forward for ANY player to be offside.
Simple. As. That.
DoctorBoosh 10 months ago
@reltonpelton Not sute how old you are ,but you would be right if the game was played today ,but the rules were different back then,if the player who scores was off side in the bulid up he was offside, hence the linesman (correctly) raised his flag.In those days it did not matter if you were or were not interfering with play ,if you were offside, then just because your own player ran beyond you did not play you onside .Thts why the rule was changed.
hartforp 9 months ago 12
@hartforp . The Rothman's Football directory from 1972 says in the Laws of the Game chapter.."A player in an offside position shall not be penalised unless, in the opinion of the Referee, he is interfering with the play or with an opponent, or is seeking to gain an advantage by being in an offside position."
Colin Suggett was doing neither, so although the linesman did the right thing in raising his flag to signal Suggett offside, the referee did everything correctly within the rules.
malcysson 7 months ago
@hartforp Furthermore, Astle was behind Brown as Brown passed for his goal, so he could not have been off-side, either, as Allan Clarke claimed in his autobiography. The goal was good by the rules of 1970-71. Leeds badly missed Lorimer and Madeley on the day, and West Brom just played more adventurously. Tony Brown's first goal, they just sliced through Leeds' defence like a warm knife through butter....
malcysson 7 months ago
@hartforp Finally, Leeds had a seven point lead at the end of March. They didn't lose that Title because of this decision. They couldn't beat Newcastle, and couldn't beat Huddersfield, both games played without Bremner. Then Lorimer was injured. Arsenal also had long term injuries to Charlie George and Peter Simpson that season, but just kept winning. The most Leeds would have got out of this game was a point, and Arsenal would still have won the league on goal average.
malcysson 7 months ago
@hartforp The defending for that goal was diabolical, Brown even stops to wait for a whistle, but carries on when none comes. He ran from the halfway line, yet no player ran with him, a cardinal sin, even in sunday league football. I think now is the time to stop harping on about Tinkler's decision depriving Leeds of the Championship. They imploded on their own . And Tinkler is an easy scapegoat to blame. The facts just don't back up that argument. And Barry Davies was a disgrace that afternoon.
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mizofan 8 months ago
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@reltonpelton Where is the 1971 rule stating it must be an intended pass to be offside? The rules are different now over active involvement (favouring attackers more now), but surely it's about who touched or played it last, whatever may have been intended. The ball went forward and Astle was in an offside position according to the 1971 rules. I wasn't sorry Leeds lost but i still can't see how the ref got it right.
mizofan 8 months ago
look, it is really, really, really simple. at no point was the ball PASSED FORWARD , by a west brom player, to another one who was in an offside position. , and that is why it wasn't offside.
a west brom player was in an offside position when west brom won the ball in their own half, but the rule quite clearly stated at the time, as it does now, that the offside rule relates to THE MOMENT THE BALL IS PASSED FORWARD.
reltonpelton 2 years ago
@reltonpelton Wht, u obviously don't know the rules back in the good old days. The guy was in our half by nearly 10 yards, and back then, it was offside, pathetic linesman.
goomesplc 2 years ago
First game I ever went to. I was in the Cop aged 9 with my Dad.
Two memories stand out, first the police all linking arms the full length of the Cop to stop any pitch invasion and secondly all the glasses (spectacles) being thrown at the ref.
My Dad wouldn't take me to another game for 2 years!
baughfell 2 years ago 2
where was the offside decision??
was it the final pass for the goalscorer??
MastersOfRap 2 years ago
Yes.
Nakedhominid 2 years ago
no it was the first pass/ run, there was another WB player in our half and it didnt matter if he wasnt interfeering in those days, the flag was raised but play went on. then the second pass looks slightly offside.
LUFCpickerzWACCOE75 2 years ago
yeah..now i got it..this passive rule wasn't existing...you got point..
cuz the last pass wasn't that clear for me..
but the first action the takeover is clearly one...
he even interfeers a bit cuz he runs towards the ball :-/..
man what a horrible decision...
MastersOfRap 2 years ago
everyones always been against leeds, that leeds side pisses all over the late 70's liverpool team,
if they have half the help that the big 4 get today, leeds would of won atleast 5 championships ..
LEEDS FOREVER
dem1991boy5 2 years ago
This video needs to be re tiled...
Leeds United V Ray Tinkler And West Brom.
applebeatle 2 years ago
Its the second pass to Astle that looks offside
ajay999999 2 years ago
Up the Albion!
albionboy72 2 years ago
It was clearly offside. That's what makes it even funnier. And the comments from Leeds dicks pretending they were once a big club just mean that the laughs keep on coming.
Wolfington 2 years ago
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theyorkshirewhites 2 years ago
Manure NIL..Besiktas 1...oops..there goes an unbeaten home record, didn't Liverpool recently spank them about 5-0?..
And Fergie complained about a penalty not given!!
How very unusual.
theyorkshirewhites 2 years ago
well nice to see another leeds fan that knows fuck all about football, liverpool won 8-0 nil btw. also liverpool may not win the prem but at least we aren't down in league one like u are lollllllllllzzzzzzzz fuck u scum bag when ur team plays in a half decent league then u can talk! and also dont forget we recently beat u 1-0 so shut up scum bag
lfcdan09 2 years ago
Liverpool MAY not win the Prem??
no may about it mate, and from the texts fron l'pool " fans " see in the papers..you glory hunters will be looking for another team to follow soon...or maybe you'll be watching Baseball at Anfield soon.
Yes we're in lge 1, but our support is still strong, 38'000 in that league?
Your lot wouldn't manage that .
You know that we are where we are because a half baked chairman spent money we didn't have and got us in deep shit.
theyorkshirewhites 2 years ago
are u serious mate or just fucking retarded liverpool have sum of the best fans in the world, leeds couldn't ever compare to the passion of liverpool fans, leeds are scum of the world and everyone knows it. from the champions league to league 1 what a team
lfcdan09 2 years ago
Yea right..such passion from L'pool fans they talk about going to support another team..part time glory hunters..you beat man u and think you rule the fucking league
OK Leeds are in Lge 1, but just look at the gates we get, and the atmosphere in the ground, that's passion and the reason why we have such a great home record.
You really would do better to concentrate on your own failing team than trolling Leeds videos and leaving pathetic comments.
theyorkshirewhites 2 years ago
yawn
Nakedhominid 2 years ago
Oh yes, you beat us 1-0.. ok as you mentioned it..let me remind you..Leeds..a lowly lge 1 team don't forget....out played Premier side Liverpool for most of the match, hardly anything to brag about is it ?
theyorkshirewhites 2 years ago
And why do you go looking for Leeds videos..if you're in the premiership?...this is the 2nd one I've seen you on..you're probably on more..don't you like watching your own teams videos, you sad trolling scouse shite.
theyorkshirewhites 2 years ago
Yeah, I'm dead bothered we're strolling to the knock out rounds with a half hearted attitude.
The unbeaten home record went back in 1996.
Wolfington 2 years ago
That's not what I meant and you know it..or maybe you don't..I've heard man u supporters are pretty dense.
theyorkshirewhites 2 years ago
Yeah yeah, whatever you meant, I'm not interested. Just piss off you small town arsehole and go fuck your sister.
Wolfington 2 years ago
Not interested, that's why you replied..you cunt.
Another troll who can't resist watching Leeds videos..how fucking sad.
Bring it on you Leeds haters..we fucking love it.
theyorkshirewhites 2 years ago
Leeds is bigger than Mancherster
Nakedhominid 2 years ago
haha whats that leeds united 1 - man scum 0???????hahaha wanker
lalunit 2 years ago
999 times out of a 1000 in those days it would have been given offside as it went into Leeds half, the linesman flagged for it. Trouble was for the second pass Astle was in front of ball in an offside position but ref and linesman that busy saying not offside to first part they lost the plot.
creativemediaprof 2 years ago
West Brom hadn't won an away game all season before this match. Also Leeds had drawn their two matches before this against mid-table Newcastle and Huddersfield. Sounds to me like somebody was choking.
LiterallyMad 2 years ago
Leeds suffered with much peverse refereeing at the Time Chelsea in 1967, Milan in 1973,Bayern Munich in 1975, but the West Brom one was best of all.A man offside in Leeds half of the field before the 'active rule', and then a goal scorer who scores when he is offside, a linesman who tells the ref they are off side and a ref who simply does not want to know what his linesman saw. Peverse refereeing hinders Leeds United as much as it benefits Man United now when matches last until they score.
8742leeds 2 years ago
Yes they where feeling the pressure, after dominating the whole season.Arsenal where winning 1-0 every week and Leeds did begin to wilt a little.However I was making the point that peverse refereeing dogged them constantly.Remember they beat Arsenal on the run in at Elland Road, so they did not wilt for long.
8742leeds 2 years ago
"any time that Leeds got beaten, they always complained that someone cheated them"
Now which Knight Of The Realm does that remind you of ?
theyorkshirewhites 2 years ago
Great Video, I was at that game, and any time that Leeds got beaten, they always complained that someone cheated them, just get over it you were beaten by the better side that day.
Boing Boing
steco1958 2 years ago
Er, no - Prick.
1851davidb 2 years ago
lets all laugh at leeds, lets all laugh at leeds, na na
lfcdan09 2 years ago
Perfectly good decision so I don't know what the shouts about.Player 1 intercepts the ball in his own half,Player 2 is in an offiside position but is not involved in active play.
northernlad57 2 years ago
In those days "active play" didn't exist. If you were offside you were offside. We had Lorimer's goal disallowed in '75 European Cup final because of that. But I suppose you think that was a good decision too. Can't have it both ways.
Darwinion 2 years ago
Okay the terminology changed - so I'll rephrase it : he wasn't intefering with play
Okay? I can't bring to mind the 75 goal - is it on here anywhere? Actually where Leeds were truly cheated was in 67 Cup Semi Final v Chelsea and Lorimer had a goal disallowed because a player in the defensie wall at a free kick encroahed, Going back to the original though - why wasn't the player who actualyl scored the goal given offisde when the ball was passed to him?
northernlad57 2 years ago
"Interfering with play" was not around then. The guy is offside just by being on the pitch. The linesman flagged (though you don't see it on this video) which is why the players stopped. Tinkler chose to overrule his linesman which was wrong. Many people say Astle was also offside when he scored but from this clip it's very difficult to come to a conclusion. But Sugget was 100% offside and the decision to play on was 100% wrong.
Darwinion 2 years ago
"Interfering with play" was certainly around then,also were things like :interfering with an opponent" (I like the phrasing!) So was "seeking to gain an advantage" this one would support your argument" I would have thought. Note that wording has now changed to "gains and advantage"
northernlad57 2 years ago
it was different back then twat- you didnt have to be interferring
they all stopped cos the linesman had his flag up
this cost us the championship, like always "dirty leeds" robbed agin!!
LUFCpickerzWACCOE75 2 years ago
The goal scorer is off side when he scores, or was he inactive when the ball was played from Albions half, or is a man offside as astle was when he took the pass from tony brown and went on and scored, or did the ref not understand the rules like you appear not to.
8742leeds 2 years ago
Football doesn't have rules,it does,however, have 17 Laws.Interfering with play WAS in the Laws of the game at the time,it always has been.I'm certified (FIFA sacntioned certification) as a referee and referee instructor. Sugget was in an offside position and moving toward his own half.He hadn't received a pass nor was a pass attempted to him.
northernlad57 2 years ago
By the way - the first line of the offside law reads
"It is NOT an offence to be in an offside position"
northernlad57 2 years ago
Was Astle offside or not when he scored
8742leeds 2 years ago
In my opinion most certainly.
(I did state that earlier).
northernlad57 2 years ago
(I'd added that to my prior post but I'd gone over the limit)
The first incident there wasn't an offside,the second most definitely.
northernlad57 2 years ago
actually its the first player whos offside as h kicks it from his own half into the the leeds half and theirs an albion player there- it dosent matter if he wasnt interfeering as th rules were different back then
LUFCpickerzWACCOE75 2 years ago
Oh pack it in,how the hell can a player kicking the ball to himself be offside? Christ's sake man look atthe Law book sometime eh? Interfering with play WAS in the Law at the time.
northernlad57 2 years ago
it actually wasnt plus the linesmans flag had already been raised so all the players stopped
LUFCpickerzWACCOE75 2 years ago
He kicked the ball forward and gathered it himself so how the hell could he be offside? And if,indeed,the linesman had raised his flag (no-one knows for sure) and the Leeds players stopped then it's their own daft fault isn't it?
northernlad57 2 years ago
no one knows for sure?? of course it did- there a video of jack charlton talking about it
and why would they appeal if the rule was as you said it was- they would chase the ball down if so
LUFCpickerzWACCOE75 2 years ago
The offside rules were differenty
lufc12cm 2 years ago
Hey it's nearly xmas, are you predicting you'll win the league again..like you were this time last year?..fuckin cocky scouse twats.
theyorkshirewhites 2 years ago
Ahem! Reading. Snigger
1851davidb 2 years ago
ahh well, another game the FA fixed so Leeds would be denied a championship. Cunts
dem1991boy5 2 years ago
Excellent choice of music! Come on you Whites!
fzr2 2 years ago
Gray had just scored a perfectly good goal the other end prior this twats shit decision...fuck sky sports what do they know????
foriamonlyahorse 2 years ago
Great goal by a legend, obviously a correct decision by the ref (if you know anything about football psot SkySports) and so sweet to see Big Don marching around like a fool. Still, he had the England glory years ahead of him!
Astle1815 2 years ago
god this takes me back.remember my dad taking me from leeds to huddersfield 1970 71?i have never crapped myself as much as on entering huddersield,everyone seemed to have a skinhead.we came out of the ground half hour before the end.i know i was young but the atmosphere and tension i have never experienced anthing like it.one more point do they have churches in huddersfield with frank worthington as there religion.they seemed to worship the man.?
lufc74is 2 years ago
it should go down as one of the best refereeing decisions in english fooball history. All that pressure, the linesmans flag in the air. But the referee calls it as he sees it. And the television proves he's spot on. As a leeds fan though, I'd still like to firebomb his house!
pregiscregis 2 years ago
The ball was never played to the player in the offside position. The guy who intercepted the pass retained position until he slid Astle in for the goal.
The Laws haven't changed since. The decision was correct.
ntruby 2 years ago
The laws have changed!!!
At that time, any player in the opposition's half, and in a position beyond the last defending player, when the ball entered the half, was considered offside, irrespective of whether deemed to be interfering with play.
Agaricfly68 2 years ago
So, technically, it was offside. Hence the linesman's flag and the Leeds players stopping.
It was a bad decision.
Personally, I think the offside law should have stayed that way. Nowadays, there are too many grey areas and interpretation of "interfering" is too subjective.
To my mind, if a player is not interfering with play in some way then that player should not be on the pitch.
Agaricfly68 2 years ago
No, you're wrong. You are confusing two different things.
It's true that the offside law has changed since, regarding "interfering". But the law was and always has stated "WHEN THE BALL IS PLAYED" (my capitals)..
ntruby 2 years ago
In this case the ball never was "played" - that is, it was NEVER passed. Instead, the player who originally pushed the ball forward was the next player to touch it, and therefore never "played", or passed, the ball - for the purposes of the offisde law he remained in posession throughout.
Hence the referee's decsion was 100% correct, then and now.
Ironically I actually agree with you that the "interfering" law which pertains today is a farce
ntruby 2 years ago
i support leeds but the referee was right
reltonpelton 2 years ago
no hge wasnt them days it was different the other player who was offside came for the ball which made him offside then the other player takes it but the linesmans flag has already gone up so everyone stops exept from the player who dosent know so then the referee waves on and they score this actually cost us a shot at the championship
LUFCpickerzWACCOE75 2 years ago
the rules have been altered since tht day
MOT
LUFC896 2 years ago
Glad you do. But you're wrong.
1851davidb 2 years ago
super leeds all u dat r hating go suk cock
LUFCDannyB 2 years ago
I don't know why noone likes leeds united in England..It's one of the teams which suffered more wrong referee's decisions in football history.........
pablotjob 2 years ago
The rule is, and always has been, that the ball has to be passed forward to constitute offside. Brown takes it on himself, the correct thing to do if one of your own players is in an offside position. If he'd passed it to another player,then, in those days anyway, the offside would have been given. The ref does well to realise the lino is wrong and correctly waves play on.
holmleighnyd 2 years ago
@pablotjob bollocks. They were the team that set out to con the ref.
jonnybottle 1 year ago
ray tinkler what a legend ! haha, remember laughing hard that day, still so funny now to see the scum shit on haha, brings back memorys of when we used to take leeds every season haha..red army !!!!!
skguy7 2 years ago
Argentina Argentina Argentina . Whats all that about you silly southern scum twats.
Leeds Yorkshire England
XCERT4 2 years ago
Leeds are and were POO ! POO of the first degree and POO stinks !!!!
leenyburghers 2 years ago
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monkeywrench666 2 years ago
its years ago but this is damb right cheating!
BENJILUFC2009 2 years ago
PS Norman bites yer legs/ass was a legend at your club and later at mine, so we have more in common than you think . hope you win POs after last year losin out.
tiddler111 2 years ago
hard to feel sorry for such a nasty cheating team
ryko26 2 years ago
My beloved fabulous LEEDS UNITED were not a nasty cheating team, we were the best team in the world at the time , our football was simply sublime and it was a pleasure to follow them in those days . We bore resentment and envy everywhere we went in equal measure and if it wasn't for the fact we that fell foul of some of the most perverse refereeing decisions in footballing history we would have had the deserved honours to prove it . Leeds were and still are a way of life for thousands like me.
englishrover 2 years ago
.....Leeds losing...must be the Ref......
chatham43 2 years ago
well sed vvv MOT
posner89 2 years ago
tiddler 111 get fuckd u nonce, that is how football should be playd and what u on about these days our team is a bunch of puffs ... who do u support might i ask ... sort your self out tit
braddylufc1993 2 years ago
was just trying to wind you up and it worked. or is all this time in league 1 gettin' to you? hope you get millwall in the POs. and to be honest i've got nothing against you and wish you well with getting the promotion your fans deserve. good luck !
tiddler111 2 years ago
how the fuck is he supposed to be offside in his own half? typical leeds then and now. and they wonder why the country laughs at where they are today.
tiddler111 2 years ago 2
25,000 Fans don't laugh at Leeds , that is how many they are still attracting down in that temporary shithole we have now found ourselves. The other week there were more at Elland Road than the rest of the Div one grounds put together that saturday, and we don't really give a toss who else now find it amusing .Leeds are for life not just a couple of seasons in the wilderness.If it takes 10 years to get back to where we belong so fucking what ,we are having fun these days just a blip that's all
englishrover 2 years ago
He's not in his own half and I'm nuetral. It's the bloke at0:06 this side of the centre circle about eight yards in front of the ball. Sorry, can't be bothered to spell check nuetral:-)
MrsBloomsburyBarton 2 years ago
yeah well, it's all changed these days because the guy RUNS with it and CANT be offside. regardless of the other bein in an offside position. it hardly matters much now anyway. what's done is done..
tiddler111 2 years ago
God bless Don Revie. One of the greatest managers this country has ever produced.
bluebus270 2 years ago
ps jeff astle out ran paul reaney?yea ok hahaha,see below,even ripped at home
mvann5566 2 years ago
think you'll find out keith its alike a resentful chant coz leeds were robbed,watch the european cup v bayern and the ecwc v milan,leeds were cheated in both and thats a fact like derby county in the semi against juventus,refs were easily "brought " then,ive seen many english clubs fight against the odds in europe,not just leeds but ALL back then
mvann5566 2 years ago
More to the point. Why isn't Jeff Astle performing EMI on the Skinner/Baddiel show not up on YouTube. A sublime moment in TV history!
minutegongcoughs 2 years ago
Can a Leeds fan please explain to me what year they were champions of Europe because I just can't seem to find any record of them winning the European cup
keithwellerlounge74 3 years ago
We never won it. We were beaten 0-2 in the 1975 final in Paris by Bayern Munich.
4709mwbb 3 years ago
I know I was pointing out the irony of the ridiculous chant
keithwellerlounge74 3 years ago
we were robbed the referee never officated again after the game we should have had 2 goals then we would have won it so thats why we sing WACCOE because of the events of the game
pglufc4lyf 2 years ago
You may well have been robbed but the record books don't lie. They don't say anything about you being champions of Europe
keithwellerlounge74 2 years ago
ref was bunged by german cheats! hence why ref was banned 4 life. if that happened today then we would of been awarded the european cup WACCOE!
sundimented 2 years ago
Don't think I don't have sympathy for you because I do, I hate cheating and Leicester were fixed out of the UEFA cup as well by being robbed so I know it happens a lot in Europe.
But the record books don' t lie unfortunately.
keithwellerlounge74 2 years ago
Idiots. Fucking Leeds fans can't accept losing. He wasn't passed the ball therefore their is no question of offside. Wankers
keithwellerlounge74 3 years ago 3
Was the offside rule different back then, because the ball played over the half line was not offside, or was it just because the person ahead of him, despite not having the ball played to him, was offside.
XxKubrickFanxX 3 years ago
The rule has never been any different in this respect. Tony Brown carried the ball over the halfway line himself rather than passing the ball and, as such, was onside. Astle stops running, putting himself in an onside position. Then starts running again. It was the linesman that was wrong, and the referee was right to over-rule him.
200percent 3 years ago 3
Are you out of your fucking mind?
peopleschampion007 3 years ago
I hear that ref is dead now thank god .
Raylufc 3 years ago