Can it is "capitalism" that created the wealth for pinkos to steal, resdistribute, and make this "great society" that you fascists talk about. Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, FDR needed to steal from somebody. Socialists sure as hell do not create anything (other than hot air).
Pinkos. Because of economic socialism, Asia is rising and will eventually overtake the West. Thanks, commies! Where is Joe McCarthy when we need him? Fry up some pinkos.
@trun0jay the opening music to john carpenters the fog, Curtis is a big fan of carpenters music he has sampled many of the soundtracks from his films including assault on precinct 13, prince of darkness and the the thing
What about it having more to do with something called 'The God Complex'? See the youtube TED channel; look for, Tim Harford: Trial, error and the God complex. Then dislike my comment, see if I care.
c'mon curtis, this is more parallelism, or 'one damn thing after another', than cause and effect. nixon's paranoia about elites led to journalistic paranoia about the paranoia of his elite led to the 'middle class' aping investigative journalists and hyping their expertise to sell it so we're all too frightened to permit elite-led reforms? just doesn't jibe with the recent history of the west. oligarchy and plutocracy are the problem: not the public's excess knowledge, elites' excess power.
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So far, the central messafe of this film is, left wing social manipulation and Neo Marxism= Good. Right wing = Bad. So, let the homosexuals buggers your children because that makes society "better." Nice try Curtis. The paranoia is all yours. We are NOT all Nixons and we are NOT all Jenkins either. When pig flu arrived in Britain from America thousands of Journalists caught it and turned into Feminists. It missed the rest of the people so journalists have been spreading it ever since.
I think politician flu might be next. There is a danger that it might combine with journalist flu and infect us all. You don't get the sniffles or a fever but you DO develop a terrible desire to lie, manipulate, steal tax payers money, exaggerate, mislead, do anything big business wants and impose more taxes.
@margot980 The red box is a ministerial box for taking home departmental papers. There are also black boxes (for carrying on public trains), green boxes (civil servants), royal red boxes (for certain Royals) and black boxes with red stripes (old stripey for highest clearance only). They are not fashion statements.
I want my swine flu! C'mon! They told me I was going to get it and possibly die! I spent all this time preparing for death and now I'm perfectly healthy! What a gyp!
@ericclaptonismygod31 yes there are clear parallels between roy jenkins who helped abolish the death penalty and removed laws against homosexuality and adolf fucking hitler
i think this is the single worst case of godwin's law i've ever seen
@ericclaptonismygod31 In the last 50 years, the United States has promoted, financed and participated in over 200 incursions and 20 separate wars, killing over 10,000,000 people.
@ericclaptonismygod31 The numbers are in the public domain and they are conservative estimates. Your response is nothing but the ramblings of a mindless jingoist.
@jacksawild Do not worry, mate. What for the Chinese to take over and you can blame everything on them. Count yourself one of the lucky ones to be able to sit on your ass and write about how shitty the world is.
@ericclaptonismygod31 Yeah, yeah.. the Chinese are the new evil. Just like the Russians were the old evil and then the drug dealers and then the criminals and then the "terrorists". It's all the forces of good vs evil isn't it? You live in a fucking movie. Media whore.
@ericclaptonismygod31 I don't know what "sence" is, except a retarded misspelling of "sense". And yes, I do have a little asshole because, unlike you, daddy didn't fuck me. Finally, Japan is a long way to go just to hear you scream like a bitch. Sorry, you're not John Wayne and this isn't a fucking Hollywood blockbuster. You wont be walking off into the sunset so you may as well just get on your back and earn your money the only way you know how, as a prostitute. Byeeeee.
@jacksawild You little faggot. Go give handjobs for food stamps. If you want to donate your front teeth, get over here so I can smash you up. Communist retard!
Adam Curtis is brilliant. He points out some of the greater absurdities of our society. I am not sure that is what I would call socialist. Socialist the application of any number of political, social and economic theories to society. It's not inherently bad or good. Being critical is not being a socialist.
@ericclaptonismygod31 Oh no! Those silly socialists who are responsible for EVERY POSITIVE CHANGE IN THE 20TH CENTURY, you know, stuff like votes for women, equal rights for blacks, gays, universal healthcare, minimum wage, anti child labor laws. Damn socialists always trying to change things for the better, those bastards!.
There is something very important here in this piece and I think it's mostly to do with living in an era where there's so much information to sort through and when a great deal of this information is sensationalized and hyperbolic (often designed that way in an effort to rise above the din) it becomes hard to discern truth from manipulation. Maybe it's even easier to spread conspiracy theories today because in the avalanche of data we stop looking for truth, only the confirmation of our biases.
The problem here is that with very limited information, we're made to sympathize, or even empathize with Nixon.. and while this bias may be embedded into it, the irony is that this is coming from BBC, and just makes you paranoid anyway. It's either us or them right?
It tries to make you assume things with very limited information, and honestly, who has enough info to really know what's going on anyway? I suppose leaving us with more questions is both good and bad this time.
@maniacafrodisiac I think it's more trying to point out that we're too paranoid for our own good and that anyone who tries to change things for the better gets accused of doing it for their own interest and destroyed.
Love this peice except for one small gripe. The Experts said lots of people die of BSe or bird flu, Well the VAST majority of scientists said no such thing, but the media gave the alarmists disproportionate airtime.
Apparently, there are many people who are sheep and believe everything they hear. I don't know, maybe I'm just living in an intellectually fortified pocket of exceptionalism, but I just don't know that many people that are that easily influenced by information that comes from the same source as Ren and Stimpy. When I look in the mirror, I do think I'm fat --not because the TV tells me, but because I am 5'5" and 240 lbs.
@perpetualjon - thinking that you are immune to this kind of thought and manipulation is the best way to ensure that you are completely helpless to it. If this kind of manipulation didn't work, there wouldn't be multi-billion dollar industries built around exploiting it. And the reason it works is that just like you, everyone believes that they are immune to it.
Ok, well let's see... I'd say I know about 400 people in my area and about 50 teenagers (yeah, it's a lot). Of my anecdotal sample I'm spoken with, there are no girls that are thin that thin of themselves as fat and long to look like the celebrities of MTV. Anyone who thinks they're fat actually IS. LOL, now the media machine is working against liberals. That's rich. They are just chasing the next sensational story for ratings. Nothing more fancy than that.
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Gee, who put this video out. The extreme left wingers who want the populace to go back to sleep. What a bunch of B.S. this whole video is. We do need to wake up. We do need to be paranoid. What is going on is your losing your liberties while you are watching American Idol. It's got to stop. Please read The Shock Doctrine and you will know everything you need to know about the world. It WILL make you cry.
Obama is anything but a reformer. Have you seen the health care bill or the financial reform bill? He's just a corporate whore like all the rest. You better see that there is a class war going on against the bottom 99% or you will continue to be exploited.
Not really, Curtis is saying a politician could never do something against public opinion and (at least in his rhetoric) Obama is planning on doing things that are popular (infrastructure, green technology, immigration reform etc.).
@simeetg this is the very sad thing about democracy, poll show a substantial amount of people in the US believe their president is Islamic, a similar percentage of people are against healthcare reform etc...i think Curtis is right, we have become nixon, it's fucked everything up.
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This is a horrible documentary. The mistrust for elitists and the prevalence of populism, at least in America, goes back Andrew Jackson and before. BBC amuses me sometimes.
Can it is "capitalism" that created the wealth for pinkos to steal, resdistribute, and make this "great society" that you fascists talk about. Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, FDR needed to steal from somebody. Socialists sure as hell do not create anything (other than hot air).
ericclaptonismygod31 1 week ago
Pinkos. Because of economic socialism, Asia is rising and will eventually overtake the West. Thanks, commies! Where is Joe McCarthy when we need him? Fry up some pinkos.
ericclaptonismygod31 1 week ago
Anybody know the music used from 1:17 to 1:27 ?, super creepy but I like it!
trun0jay 3 months ago
@trun0jay the opening music to john carpenters the fog, Curtis is a big fan of carpenters music he has sampled many of the soundtracks from his films including assault on precinct 13, prince of darkness and the the thing
MoonstompingMike1985 2 months ago
@MoonstompingMike1985 Thank you! :D
trun0jay 2 months ago
Wowsers, good old Roy Jenkins!
thechaos44 4 months ago
What about it having more to do with something called 'The God Complex'? See the youtube TED channel; look for, Tim Harford: Trial, error and the God complex. Then dislike my comment, see if I care.
ParokialManhekle2O1O 6 months ago
Curtis is right. Ron Paul wants to change things and he has met a wall of resistance. Democrats anyone?
DickCabezaLtd 6 months ago
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stashcode 6 months ago
Nixon was right. The elites are out to get us.
maskedavenger777 8 months ago
Nice use of Nine Inch Nails' Ghosts. Very fitting.
duffeknol 9 months ago
@duffeknol Curtis likes his NIN, his newest one (All Watched Over By Machines of Loving Grace) uses some too.
r1c0ch3t211 8 months ago 2
c'mon curtis, this is more parallelism, or 'one damn thing after another', than cause and effect. nixon's paranoia about elites led to journalistic paranoia about the paranoia of his elite led to the 'middle class' aping investigative journalists and hyping their expertise to sell it so we're all too frightened to permit elite-led reforms? just doesn't jibe with the recent history of the west. oligarchy and plutocracy are the problem: not the public's excess knowledge, elites' excess power.
anycon 1 year ago
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anycon 1 year ago
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So far, the central messafe of this film is, left wing social manipulation and Neo Marxism= Good. Right wing = Bad. So, let the homosexuals buggers your children because that makes society "better." Nice try Curtis. The paranoia is all yours. We are NOT all Nixons and we are NOT all Jenkins either. When pig flu arrived in Britain from America thousands of Journalists caught it and turned into Feminists. It missed the rest of the people so journalists have been spreading it ever since.
DumblyBrilliant 1 year ago
@DumblyBrilliant WTF are you babbling about?
jacksawild 2 weeks ago
I think politician flu might be next. There is a danger that it might combine with journalist flu and infect us all. You don't get the sniffles or a fever but you DO develop a terrible desire to lie, manipulate, steal tax payers money, exaggerate, mislead, do anything big business wants and impose more taxes.
DumblyBrilliant 1 year ago
Murdoch appeared and I reflexively took a swing at the monitor.
beeninsane 1 year ago 7
@beeninsane My dog vomited.
jacksawild 2 weeks ago
Just what is the why here of this video?
Paedophilia and obesity are media-fiction powered by elite members of the middle class??????
Loved Thatcher's lucky red suitcase thingy. Beastly politician, cute suitcase!
margot980 1 year ago
@margot980 The red box is a ministerial box for taking home departmental papers. There are also black boxes (for carrying on public trains), green boxes (civil servants), royal red boxes (for certain Royals) and black boxes with red stripes (old stripey for highest clearance only). They are not fashion statements.
jacksawild 2 weeks ago
hahaha
Esaelectronics 1 year ago
I want my swine flu! C'mon! They told me I was going to get it and possibly die! I spent all this time preparing for death and now I'm perfectly healthy! What a gyp!
Williamsfan 1 year ago
Yes Yes Yes !!! It's true ! I am now deranged !
I was once a nice rational and very reasonable guy but... alas...I'm now quite mad.
faunflynn 1 year ago
Great docu! You should enter our online film festival, you could win 50,000!
bigstartv 1 year ago
i think there are samples from the album "ghosts i-iv" by nin towards the end.
wahzooo 1 year ago
@wahzooo Correct; Tracks 2 and 28.
On-topic though, great video.
Neotails8762 1 year ago
not to sound like a total nerd but, off-topic, there's a nine inch nails snippet from 1:26 to 1:31 and elsewhere
ithildhelma 1 year ago
Hitler was a National Socialist against capitalism and liberalism - the ultimate elitist! Socialism is a very dangerous creed.
ericclaptonismygod31 1 year ago
@ericclaptonismygod31 hitler joined the national socialists, but he himself was a Fascist
snipersam3 1 year ago
@ericclaptonismygod31 yes there are clear parallels between roy jenkins who helped abolish the death penalty and removed laws against homosexuality and adolf fucking hitler
i think this is the single worst case of godwin's law i've ever seen
r1c0ch3t211 10 months ago 2
at 4:15 why is the dolls face boxed out?
snipersam3 1 year ago
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snipersam3 1 year ago
Socialists brought us Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Hitler.
Classical liberals brought us freedom from them. Jonathan should lay of the kool aid!
ericclaptonismygod31 1 year ago
@ericclaptonismygod31 hitler wasn't a sociallist
snipersam3 1 year ago 2
@ericclaptonismygod31 In the last 50 years, the United States has promoted, financed and participated in over 200 incursions and 20 separate wars, killing over 10,000,000 people.
jacksawild 2 weeks ago
@jacksawild Really? I thought the death count was closer to a billion people. Dick.
ericclaptonismygod31 2 weeks ago
@ericclaptonismygod31 The numbers are in the public domain and they are conservative estimates. Your response is nothing but the ramblings of a mindless jingoist.
jacksawild 2 weeks ago
@jacksawild Do not worry, mate. What for the Chinese to take over and you can blame everything on them. Count yourself one of the lucky ones to be able to sit on your ass and write about how shitty the world is.
ericclaptonismygod31 2 weeks ago
@ericclaptonismygod31 Yeah, yeah.. the Chinese are the new evil. Just like the Russians were the old evil and then the drug dealers and then the criminals and then the "terrorists". It's all the forces of good vs evil isn't it? You live in a fucking movie. Media whore.
jacksawild 2 weeks ago
@jacksawild Come visit Japan and I can beat some sence into you - little pinko asshole! Let me know when you arrive.
ericclaptonismygod31 2 weeks ago
@ericclaptonismygod31 I don't know what "sence" is, except a retarded misspelling of "sense". And yes, I do have a little asshole because, unlike you, daddy didn't fuck me. Finally, Japan is a long way to go just to hear you scream like a bitch. Sorry, you're not John Wayne and this isn't a fucking Hollywood blockbuster. You wont be walking off into the sunset so you may as well just get on your back and earn your money the only way you know how, as a prostitute. Byeeeee.
jacksawild 2 weeks ago
@jacksawild You little faggot. Go give handjobs for food stamps. If you want to donate your front teeth, get over here so I can smash you up. Communist retard!
ericclaptonismygod31 2 weeks ago
@ericclaptonismygod31 nah you got bitch slapped.
shahideurope 1 week ago
Leroy Jenkins?
tinkafoo 1 year ago
Adam Curtis is brilliant. He points out some of the greater absurdities of our society. I am not sure that is what I would call socialist. Socialist the application of any number of political, social and economic theories to society. It's not inherently bad or good. Being critical is not being a socialist.
Snafuski 1 year ago
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I used to like Adam Curtis, but now I find he is just a silly socialist!
ericclaptonismygod31 1 year ago
@ericclaptonismygod31 Oh no! Those silly socialists who are responsible for EVERY POSITIVE CHANGE IN THE 20TH CENTURY, you know, stuff like votes for women, equal rights for blacks, gays, universal healthcare, minimum wage, anti child labor laws. Damn socialists always trying to change things for the better, those bastards!.
JonathanBloggs 1 year ago 7
@JonathanBloggs you seem to know fuck all about socialism......it's not just about equality you know
snipersam3 1 year ago
I am not a crook!
prede89 1 year ago
There is something very important here in this piece and I think it's mostly to do with living in an era where there's so much information to sort through and when a great deal of this information is sensationalized and hyperbolic (often designed that way in an effort to rise above the din) it becomes hard to discern truth from manipulation. Maybe it's even easier to spread conspiracy theories today because in the avalanche of data we stop looking for truth, only the confirmation of our biases.
psychicwhoosh 1 year ago
The problem here is that with very limited information, we're made to sympathize, or even empathize with Nixon.. and while this bias may be embedded into it, the irony is that this is coming from BBC, and just makes you paranoid anyway. It's either us or them right?
It tries to make you assume things with very limited information, and honestly, who has enough info to really know what's going on anyway? I suppose leaving us with more questions is both good and bad this time.
Anyway, NIN FTW! =)
maniacafrodisiac 1 year ago
@maniacafrodisiac I think it's more trying to point out that we're too paranoid for our own good and that anyone who tries to change things for the better gets accused of doing it for their own interest and destroyed.
JonathanBloggs 1 year ago
@JonathanBloggs Yea I get that, but I just think that Nixon is a bit too ironic of an example.
maniacafrodisiac 1 year ago
Love this peice except for one small gripe. The Experts said lots of people die of BSe or bird flu, Well the VAST majority of scientists said no such thing, but the media gave the alarmists disproportionate airtime.
MegaStumbo 1 year ago 5
@ MegaStumbo:
The "experts" the video refers to are not scientists, but the self-appointed champions and enemies of the "elites".
LordZentei 1 year ago
love that quote "Basically I had my stomach stapled and i want antidepressants'
overhere2000 1 year ago 5
I like Adam Curtis documentaries, because when I watch them I begin to think that everybody in the world is just as crazy as I am.
plasticbarf 1 year ago
hahahaha
Esaelectronics 1 year ago
I did not take drugs and bash my wife like Nixon DID
guslingus 1 year ago 2
Nine Inch Nails!!!
sampled throughout...
heelez 1 year ago 3
GHOSTS I-IV!!!
LURTSCH 1 year ago 2
@LURTSCH
hell yeah!
heelez 1 year ago
Apparently, there are many people who are sheep and believe everything they hear. I don't know, maybe I'm just living in an intellectually fortified pocket of exceptionalism, but I just don't know that many people that are that easily influenced by information that comes from the same source as Ren and Stimpy. When I look in the mirror, I do think I'm fat --not because the TV tells me, but because I am 5'5" and 240 lbs.
perpetualjon 1 year ago
@perpetualjon - thinking that you are immune to this kind of thought and manipulation is the best way to ensure that you are completely helpless to it. If this kind of manipulation didn't work, there wouldn't be multi-billion dollar industries built around exploiting it. And the reason it works is that just like you, everyone believes that they are immune to it.
Rant93 1 year ago 5
Ok, well let's see... I'd say I know about 400 people in my area and about 50 teenagers (yeah, it's a lot). Of my anecdotal sample I'm spoken with, there are no girls that are thin that thin of themselves as fat and long to look like the celebrities of MTV. Anyone who thinks they're fat actually IS. LOL, now the media machine is working against liberals. That's rich. They are just chasing the next sensational story for ratings. Nothing more fancy than that.
perpetualjon 1 year ago
@Rant93 So true! I despair sometimes at trying to show people how led and brainwashed they are:(( arrogance is there downfall:( IMHO.
choc113 1 year ago
this is one of the silliest posts I have ever read
plasticbarf 1 year ago
hmmmmm. not the best adam curtis work for sure.
lllMURMURlll 1 year ago 3
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Nixon an outsider? The BBC disinfomation machine at it again.
withnielandi 1 year ago
Not the worst six and a half minutes I have spent, and whilst I didnt completely agree, I saw many nuggets of wisdom too
EdgarTFriendly 1 year ago
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Gee, who put this video out. The extreme left wingers who want the populace to go back to sleep. What a bunch of B.S. this whole video is. We do need to wake up. We do need to be paranoid. What is going on is your losing your liberties while you are watching American Idol. It's got to stop. Please read The Shock Doctrine and you will know everything you need to know about the world. It WILL make you cry.
TallTorBlond 1 year ago
Curtis is right. Obama wants to change things and he has met a wall of resistance. Tea parties anyone?
simeetg 1 year ago 26
Obama is anything but a reformer. Have you seen the health care bill or the financial reform bill? He's just a corporate whore like all the rest. You better see that there is a class war going on against the bottom 99% or you will continue to be exploited.
Renegen1 1 year ago
@simeetg
Not really, Curtis is saying a politician could never do something against public opinion and (at least in his rhetoric) Obama is planning on doing things that are popular (infrastructure, green technology, immigration reform etc.).
AndroidPolitician 1 year ago
@simeetg this is the very sad thing about democracy, poll show a substantial amount of people in the US believe their president is Islamic, a similar percentage of people are against healthcare reform etc...i think Curtis is right, we have become nixon, it's fucked everything up.
lynottlives 1 year ago
What he says about the media and their use of "experts" is true. Where has "swine flu" gone? Is it going to be "crow flu" this year? hmmmm
divorcecake 2 years ago 13
@divorcecake nah, let's see where the next flu is coming from
- beef (already had one)
- pork (already had one)
- chicken&duck (already had one)
- sheep (already had one, albeit a long time ago)
- dogs and cats....aha!. Here you are - I predict cat flu, or dog flu.
vetromaster 1 year ago
This is disappointing. Stick to the stronger, more edifying Adam Curtis documentaries like The Century of the Self.
caffeina 2 years ago
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This is a horrible documentary. The mistrust for elitists and the prevalence of populism, at least in America, goes back Andrew Jackson and before. BBC amuses me sometimes.
Kowdog 2 years ago
ONCE upon a time fairy babies grew candy on trees, then Elvis superfans bombed Hiroshima and entire panties factories went up in flames!!
georgezimmer 2 years ago 3
This reporter is guilty of his own assertion, peddling alarmist claims about something that has been going on forever.
mitchellglaser 2 years ago
Ummm, yes?
randdom123 2 years ago