who cares?lair is still a shitty game.u arent going to just crazily wave around the controller like that,well unless youre fucking retarded.the sixaxis controller does not work with lair.its still clunky and has delayed reactions and i wont shove my controller evrey which way like a drunk but i dont wanna do it super slow like you.that ultimatley takes away from lair and makes it a boring game.i was disappointed as this was a highly anticipated game but instead turned out to be a total flop
sweet, i wanted to get this game, but it got bad reviews just becauase of the "crappy controls". but now taht u showed that its actually not that bad, i want to get it again. looks like a lot of fun
oh nd i liked the part wer hes on the ground fighting he didnt show controller movement nd tht means u jerk it left nd right rely fast so this vid doesnt persuade me cuz wen ur fighting on the ground u cant "relax" lol
wow r u retarded? this is the fuckin titorial its suposed to be like this in the actual campaign ur flyin rely fast it works fine idk wats wrong wid ur controller or sumthin but mine wrks fine
do you mean that the controlls work fine when you are doing the moves super slow? Maybe i have hundreds of enemies on me and i dont want to relax and die? BTW fire breath is the fastest way to kill ground soliders....
there is actually some lag responce on the sixasis controller in this video.that's strange,i have tha japanese version of the game and i assure you there's no lag at all,it works instantly and perfectly.
i love this game!comparing lair with xbox games like halo 3 is like comparing jeff buckley with britney spears
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I like how the lag responce time is almost 5 sec. Sony, as of right now, isn't looking at the big picture. Remember when Sega used to be on top? and now there shoving crappy Sonic games at us. Is Sony gonna be the next Sega? -More then likely...
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Poor video, but i really wanted this answered so i guess it's ok.
Oh one thing tho... the game still looks like crap =D, like, it looks like you don't controll your dragon and more like, HINTING were it should go next.
Oh and at people saying its a game about frantic shooting, u really are retards who havent played. Seriously, i havent shot a fireball since i got my first platinum, ive been using charge, takedowns and fights.
Dont go saying shit about a game u havent played. The sixaxis controlling is brilliant, the dragon makes the exact moves u do, and if u cant accept that it uses sixaxis instead of analog u should miss out on this game. GO back to ur normal boring games.
I needed instructions from a friend to use the wii controller on Red steel, mario striker, wii sports and many more. You're basically saying the Wii sucks. Which ofc it doesnt.
Amazing game, recommend Lair to any PS3 owner, but mainly if you like dragons, epic gameplay, great story and great music, not the same old pile of wank FPS.
i'm glad you posted this vid. i wouldn't know that you have to relax, i would've been jerking the controller around, even if the game had an analong option, that would suck for me, cuz my left analong gets stuck in a position and makes the characters i play move by themselves, so thanks for the vid.
If anyone has to post instructions on how to work the controls, it's a bad game. Period. You shouldn't have to "relax" and do such and such, or anything.
Ok so if I am REALLY careful with my movements the dragon will -kind of- eventually respond to my input? I'm sorry, but watching you play this and seeing your dragon slowly dip and turn a few seconds after you do it with the controller looks boring as hell to me. Watch a gameplay video of metroid prime 3 with it's motion controls if you want to see responsive and immersive gameplay that is done well. Lair is crap.
I'm sorry, but steady and gentle is the name of the game. Lair isn't crap, and the controls are fine. Sounds like you haven't actually played the game, considering you're just basing your opinion of "boring" on the TUTORIAL for crying out loud! Combat is much better. BTW MP3 is shite, Quake 2 graphics at best.
Have you actually played prime 3? I guess if good graphics = fun to you then lair is a good choice. Oh wait...it has poor framerate, tearing and various other glitches. Prime 3 doesn't have advanced graphics but it does have good art direction, creative use of what is available, great atmosphere, near-perfect controls, and completely immersive gameplay. If your awesome graphics can't deliver the rest of that list then it's not a good game.
I just said it looked boring. I like fast-paced games, not ones where I have to be very, very careful. I haven't played it maybe I'll change my mind (I'm a huge fan of dragons), but I've seen videos, I've read and watched reviews, and I've talked to people who have played it, and the overwhelming majority state that the game is utter garbage, especially compared to what it could have been.
Um... This video is a flat-out lie... I HAVE Lair, the game's not great, but the controls are a hell of a lot more responsive than you're showing... Except the 180 thing, never freaking works... The bad controls have nothing to do with sixaxis being unresponsive, unless your controller is broken...
I think your controller has to be less repsonsive than mine (I guess they're all built by hand, so they differ from controller to controller) because it takes much less movement to turn the dragon in my game... Didn't realize you were actually trying to DEFEND the controls... They still suck, just not because of the Sixaxis, though.
oh, and "targetting: note the red mark": Thank you consoles for making it impossible to target by just aiming at something, you know, like you'd do with a joystick or a mouse.
So we all know the game reacts slowly to input. So you're saying if we "relax" (move the controller slowly) the game can keep up? Brilliant! Never would have thought of that.
Lair has non responsive controls... even whne the guy in the vid moved the controller as slow as hell it still took a few moments for the dragon to move. oh, and by the way, dragons ARE agile. great graphics, crappy framerate. and HORRIBLE gameplay. its the slightly screwed controls, constant buttonmashing, crappy framerate, bad lock on and lack of replay value that ruins the game :( oh and btw, HALO 3>lair, killzone 2, warhawk, resistance, you.
Sure, it's fantasy... but that doesn't mean that a dragon has to move like a freaking UFO. Besides, dragons are BASED on real life bones of other animals. It's a freaking animal, not a machine. No animal can move like a machine ever can and it never will. In the beginning, where the caption goes "If you plays like this... the controls won't work." WELL OF COURSE IT WON'T WORK IF YOU'RE PLAYING LIKE A RETARD.
And what the hell is a "professional." In video games? Did they get a degree in playing games? No, they jsut get paid to write about them, why are they professionals.
I'm not trying to justify I lair, I certainly see the problems with it, but I just think it's weird that if you write in a magazine you're suddenly a "professional."
Dont even talk about halo 3 until you have played it. I played lair, and it sucked! Just stop being a fanboy and admit sony has lost its dominance to nintendo and ms.
The people reviewing these games are professionals, do you really think they wouldn't know how to control a game. I'm sure it just sucks for other reasons.
to me the game still looks horribly shallow and boring- "fly dragon straight ahead to thingy and shoot thingy! turn around very slowly to next thingy, fly to it and shoot it! repeat until you land and hit things with annoying slow-mo over and over! fly and repeat until end of level!" and as far as realism goes for the dragon not responding, its not much fun if it goes so damn slow like it appears to be in this video.
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I'm actually enjoying the game. The music and feel of it bring it out for me, but the controlls COULD be better. But we need to remember that at least Lair isn't ANOTHER FPS, like every 360 game. People need to loosen up.
The lag would be tolerable if a battle is rather slow-paced, but if you're in a thick/heavy/fast battle, you don't always have time to think of moves a whole second in advance. The ability to do something on impulse and have the game respond immeadiately is necessary.
Damn this game looks boring. I imagined dragons to fly swiftly in battle. It looks more like this dragon's going for a leisurely flight through the countryside and there just happened to be things to kill along the way. The only time he really seems to kick into badass mode is when he's on the ground doing his best Dynasty Warriors impression... and at that point he might as well be a fire breathing t-rex. No wonder you have to tilt the controller so slowly, he's flying like he's half asleep.
Even in the video it's clear there is a lag between movement and when the dragon does something. It isn't very much but it is enough to piss of hardcore gamers, casual gamers wouldn't really notice but then again the PS3 is anything but casual.
well hopefully this taught some idiots how to use a controller. whether its a good game or not is just preference. sony sells high priced shit in my opinion though
and also, if you move the controller too slow, the siaxis won't pick up the movements very well. I don't have that much delay when i play, actually I don't even notice any delay anymore, maybe thats cause i got the new dragon =\ i havn't compared the 2 dragons yet.
Just so you know, your on a dragon, not fighter jet. I've played and beat the game, you can move around faster once you get the hang of the controls and how the siaxis detects movement. But if you start to panic you WILL mess up. The reviews said that the controls "ruined" the game, i disagree. They do not do enough damage to ruin this game.
Dude, ps3 sux sooo bad, wii and 360 own it any day. Wow man, the lag in the movement even when u do relax is TERRIBLE! I played it at gamestop and it seemed better, but maybe it was b/c i was closer to the screen or somtin?
sorry, but the game is about combat, not view a fictional land in a very relax way, the controls just suck, too slow, the sixaxis an the dragon should be one
I had high hopes, but you know what this video showed me? If you don't swing the controller around like a complete idiot, and instead make slow, gradual motions... the motion controls are still *far* less responsive than analog control would have been. Oh, and apparently dragons turn really slowly because they're big and heavy which is *why* you need to make gradual movements, but can do a 180 degree flip coupled with a 180 degree roll in a quarter second.
riiight... you have to be on Ritalins to play with Lair... right? If you have probs with your reflections...this game is 4 you!... why don't you wait for an update that fixes the problem instead of forcing yourselves to play?
Just bought it, plays and looks great. This guy is right about the controls, and the 180 is easy, just loop it outward like you're writing the curve of a capital "D" and it'll do a 180. just don't go all 'tard on the controls and you'll do fine.
Thanks man. This was definitely one of those games that I wanted to get no matter what scored it got cause I dig dragons and you just demonstrated that the controls take little getting use to but are not all that bad.
Why the hell you're hiding the screen all the time, i didn't saw anything, ok, we learn the trick from 20 seconds, no need to enphasis in all the 7 minutes.
dumbass i own a ps3 and it says hold it upright so thts y its so fuked up with him. so nxt time get the vid right and read the instructions. and even if u dont like the sixaxis u can disable it. and forget lair warhawk is gonna be out in uk on 14th september with the free headset thtl rock :P:P:P
Or maybe sonys EXPLODING consoles? at-least xbox's wait 1 year, PS just fucking copy xbox 360 + wii and TRY put it into one (FAIL!) and then have consoles explode, yeah nice one. You fucking sony heads are fucking queers.
I say like the rest of like mind. Your demo is definitely the way to play this game. Perhaps Factor 5 may of made the carnal sin in assuming that the gaming public wished for a "realistically" controlled dragon rather than the usual "arcade" version... Sales may sadly reveal that truth.
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PS3 SUCK DONKY BALLS, NO GAMES AT ALL AND CAPCOM ETC WILL COME 2 XBO SOON ANYWAY HAVE FUN WITH NO GAMES, AND WHO CARES ABOUT GHOST RECON?! SHIT AS GAME! UR MADDEN ON THE PS3 HAS 30 FPS, XBOX 360'S MADDEN HAS 60 FPS, PWNED! AND STILL GR2 LOOKS BETTER ON THE 360 DEPENDING ON WHAT TV U USE IDIOT this respone was 2 simplyb
OMFG! I CAN TYPE IN ALL CAPS, BUT WHEN I WANT TO RESPOND TO SOMEONE INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY RESPONDING TO THEM, I TAKE THE PUSSY WAY OUT AND CREATE A NEW POST AND SAY "this respone was to simplyb" Fuck you pussy!
Lair reminds me of an old Genesis game, Herzog Zwei, where you fly a robot while a RTS plays out. It got horrible reviews. I absolutely loved it. Now? Herzog Zwei is considered a classic and a forerunner for all RTS.
Lair will find its niche, despite reviews. Lair's controls require patience, as does its lock on mechanism (it does manually lock, btw). The graphics are amazingly good. The storyline is great. I think this game is one of the best things I've ever played.
I suppose the only way I can find if this game's controls are frustrating or not is to try it myself. This video makes it look easy, but one single person who happens to have trained good on its controls doesn't make a statistic, does it? Or everyone should be able to make a reverse somersault in mid-air, just because there's a guy who is good and doing it and proves that it's "simple"!
...In the end, I WANT A DEMO OF LAIR IN THE PS3 STORE. *NOW*!!!!! Then I'll see for myself who is right!
it's a three thousand pound dragon, you dumbass. it's not going to handle like a fucking sparrow or a falcon. if realism isn't your thing, go buy a wii.
Personally, im more of a "just play the game and have fun" type of person. Even if it isn't realistic, if you're having fun, its all good, but if you're not having fun, but everything is realistic and shit, whats the point???
besides, what the hell dictates how "realistic" dragon flight is? Has anyone SEEN a 3000 pound dragon and have flown it? Your logic goes outside the box and into the looney bin, if you ask me.
Read what I said before you spout your wonderful, wonderful ignorance.
Don't just let your eyes scan over the accumulation of characters on the screen; REGISTER THE WORDS, AND THEIR MEANINGS, AND UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING. OKAY?!
I said for me personally, because of how slow the game design is, (and DON'T tell me it's that way because it's "Dragon realism", unless you crave humiliation), that I do not like the look of it.
By the way, my comments were aimed at "BlkLightning", not anyone else, but the reply feature seems to be screwed at the moment.
Ricepickingpablo- have to agree with you 100% my friend. Realism doesn't mean shit unless the game is enjoyable. Now I'm not saying realism doesn't have benefits- Forza 2 is awesome, but the overall experience still has to be fun.
When I'm controlling a flying tank of fiery-destruction, I don't want to take 30 minutes to aim the damn thing, I want the gameplay to consist entirely of:
Skill should come from the game play itself, not the controls. Controls should be simple. Look at Ninja Gaidan. Heck, my Mom can run around and use the sword in that game. What makes it skillfull is the enemies and obstacles you face in the game. Dumbass.
I also said that for other people, that very same attribute is a huge plus-point for them, and that the pacing isn't something that's a FAULT of the game, just a specific design choice which lends itself to some people more than others.
"it's a three thousand pound dragon, you dumbass. it's not going to handle like a fucking sparrow or a falcon. if realism isn't your thing, go buy a wii."
You're kidding, right? Two things:
1) Realism doesn't make a game good or justify any of its shortcomings. Stop acting like it does.
2) You do understand the irony (or stupidity) of talking about realism in a game with MYTHICAL CREATURES, right?
Eghh, This game is ok. I was really excited about it, but it just didn't live up to the hype. I can live with the controls, but the game is just mediocre. Nice video though, because the controls really are not that bad.
Excellent video. I was on the fence about this game, but I think it's going to be great. Thanks for giving me such an informed showcase of the game! =)
I don't think Epileptic prone people are allowed to play video games.
I DO agree with most of your reasonings.
To add to your 1 and 2 reasons, I do think that reviews do play a role in determining what games you will spend 80 bucks on, especially for those with a budget limit, but true, unbiased gamers should not subject themselves to reviews.
In retort do your haters bit, let them be, they don't know what they'll be missing.
I love the controls in this game, they feel smooth and responsive most of the time. The only problem I have is that the turbo and 180 control is on the same move. T_T I want to kill that idiot who came up with this bright idea. But most of the time they feel really nice. I don't know why people hate the control so much >_>
Lair looks like a pretty good game from what I see. IGN did give it a 4.9, but I would rather experience the game myself before I give final judgement.
I have no problem playing this game myself, and really enjoyed it.
My only gripe is Factor5 have just re-hashed the old StarWars games and replaced the X-Wing with a Dragon. Both games play exactly the same, and it's hardly the next evolution of this type of game. Still, it's good while it lasts though a multiplayer option would have been great.
I love tha fact that people are tring to defend the fact that they dont give the gamer the option. I have a ps3 and the the whole motion thing is so dumb just let me use my thumbs.
Looks like the controls respond just fine. You cant expect things to work if you just spaz out with the controls. I mean you cant do that with the wiimote and play well can you?
Hes saying dont spaz out with it with it and expect the controls to respond at the same pace you dont have to do it slow you just do it at a normal speed rather then a fast spaz motions
No, I understand that you cant move faster than the response, however, the movement should have been faster in the first place. if you want to see how dragons are supposed to fly, go play Panzer Dragoon. The dragon is just too damned slow, sixaxis or no.
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no if you move the sixaxis the controls should respond straight away otherwise,yes u guessed it it has bad controls.why must fanboys who bought the game before relising it was bad keep saying these are good controls
i think the problem with many people they think that the dragons should move and turn like an aeroplane or an x-wing, but they are living beings, not machines.
Just the more reason why they should be more agile, more flexible and above all - more precise. A plane does not have a backbone, a dragon does - and it can move.
the reason they can't fly like airplane is because they need to flap their wing to gain more height, also dragon can't turn their body that fast because they're big unlike birds.. it doesn't matter tho, the developer won't think that far lol
What the fuck are you talkng about? A dragon isn't a living creature, because it doesn't fucking exist. Pull your head out of your ass and stop trying to justify shit controls.
I think the reviewers played similar to what was shown at the beginning of this video. Alot of people don't have patience. Though I do wish they had added analog control when in flight.
Thanks for the I am considering buying it but i will probably rent it first. The graphics look amazing but i don't have a HD-TV, does anyone know what the graphics are like on an SD-TV as somebody said they weren't very good
For some reason, initially the game had bad contrast on SD, but I picked up S-Video cables over the weekend, and now it looks great. If you're using component cables (RCA), I wouldn't expect much.
Still, Lair's a good game, much better than the reviews. The controls are actually pretty good with my only gripe is too many cut scenes in the middle of levels.
The controles still have an immense delay, even if you do "relaxy". Face it, the controles are crap, and so is the sixaxis. The only way I can stomach playing this game is through the psp controles.
The controles arnt fine. The sixaxis itself is horrible. Its liked the guy that made up the idea watched his 5 year old kid playing some racing game leaning left to right like an idiot and thought it would be a good idea, but its not.
there is a patch that lets u play using dual analog sticks and it works pretty well :D
monster4995 1 year ago
They're making you play as if you were holding the reins of the dragon.
You're not gonna have you period and pull the reins like you're going to choke it.
rtogi1 3 years ago
well it's dragon that uses wings to glide through the air not an airplane with turbines...
Wiimaniac 3 years ago 3
you are flying a Dragon so motion is good thing, dragons relay on ur motion not analog sticks LOL
NoxNoctisUmbra 3 years ago
Im getting this tomorrow. There will be patch on 17th of april. It will make control possible on triggers.
CIACHciach 3 years ago
~this is the hell game
i can't even pass the first mission
but i already passed Assassin's Creed and Lost Planet
but this game..
damn!
JoseBaiona 3 years ago
nice video...vou have chanched my oppinion about Lair..
Gefluegelmann 3 years ago
doesn;t look that bad...not like how everyone was saying...
yanks606 4 years ago 3
who cares?lair is still a shitty game.u arent going to just crazily wave around the controller like that,well unless youre fucking retarded.the sixaxis controller does not work with lair.its still clunky and has delayed reactions and i wont shove my controller evrey which way like a drunk but i dont wanna do it super slow like you.that ultimatley takes away from lair and makes it a boring game.i was disappointed as this was a highly anticipated game but instead turned out to be a total flop
BoBoBoBoY 4 years ago
sweet, i wanted to get this game, but it got bad reviews just becauase of the "crappy controls". but now taht u showed that its actually not that bad, i want to get it again. looks like a lot of fun
SkullBallCorp 4 years ago
do u use six axis for hitting on the ground
GoldenArmQB19 4 years ago
Yes, you can, if you "thump" it up and down, the dragon will thump his chest against the ground and knock down people around her.
kermitdfrogz 4 years ago
oh nd i liked the part wer hes on the ground fighting he didnt show controller movement nd tht means u jerk it left nd right rely fast so this vid doesnt persuade me cuz wen ur fighting on the ground u cant "relax" lol
fagethohtjjnbfgnjx 4 years ago
wow r u retarded? this is the fuckin titorial its suposed to be like this in the actual campaign ur flyin rely fast it works fine idk wats wrong wid ur controller or sumthin but mine wrks fine
fagethohtjjnbfgnjx 4 years ago
do you mean that the controlls work fine when you are doing the moves super slow? Maybe i have hundreds of enemies on me and i dont want to relax and die? BTW fire breath is the fastest way to kill ground soliders....
GotHitByACar 4 years ago
Do you actually believe that all of the reviewers and critics of the game were spastically throwing around their controller like a five-year old?
BryyMillerson 4 years ago
you never know what people do under pressure.
tubenuttybar 3 years ago
So they flailed around like morons because of deadlines?
BryyMillerson 3 years ago
Here's a thought: maybe the reviewers gave it a bad review for THE GAME ITSELF, not the controls?
BryyMillerson 3 years ago 2
there is actually some lag responce on the sixasis controller in this video.that's strange,i have tha japanese version of the game and i assure you there's no lag at all,it works instantly and perfectly.
i love this game!comparing lair with xbox games like halo 3 is like comparing jeff buckley with britney spears
cloudabovegunma 4 years ago 5
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I like how the lag responce time is almost 5 sec. Sony, as of right now, isn't looking at the big picture. Remember when Sega used to be on top? and now there shoving crappy Sonic games at us. Is Sony gonna be the next Sega? -More then likely...
Menetoc 4 years ago
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Poor video, but i really wanted this answered so i guess it's ok.
Oh one thing tho... the game still looks like crap =D, like, it looks like you don't controll your dragon and more like, HINTING were it should go next.
Munkatten 4 years ago
Oh and at people saying its a game about frantic shooting, u really are retards who havent played. Seriously, i havent shot a fireball since i got my first platinum, ive been using charge, takedowns and fights.
Dont go saying shit about a game u havent played. The sixaxis controlling is brilliant, the dragon makes the exact moves u do, and if u cant accept that it uses sixaxis instead of analog u should miss out on this game. GO back to ur normal boring games.
jjrudki 4 years ago 5
catwhowalksbyhimself -
I needed instructions from a friend to use the wii controller on Red steel, mario striker, wii sports and many more. You're basically saying the Wii sucks. Which ofc it doesnt.
Amazing game, recommend Lair to any PS3 owner, but mainly if you like dragons, epic gameplay, great story and great music, not the same old pile of wank FPS.
jjrudki 4 years ago 2
i'm glad you posted this vid. i wouldn't know that you have to relax, i would've been jerking the controller around, even if the game had an analong option, that would suck for me, cuz my left analong gets stuck in a position and makes the characters i play move by themselves, so thanks for the vid.
novablast101 4 years ago 2
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adudynha 4 years ago
dedo
adudynha 4 years ago
tudo mentira
adudynha 4 years ago
Famitsu: 9/10
usernametakenwth 4 years ago
If anyone has to post instructions on how to work the controls, it's a bad game. Period. You shouldn't have to "relax" and do such and such, or anything.
catwhowalksbyhimself 4 years ago
jst a few questions
1:can u change the controls so u can use the analog sticks 2 fly?
2:same question but 4 when u r on the ground?
3:can u get off the dragon during missions and use a sword or anything?
And 4:any different dragons u can choose altho i no there probably isnt
iGod999 4 years ago
in a game thats supposed to be about frantic shooting and evading the amount of delay when moving the controller is was too much
epro1 4 years ago
Waiwaiwait, it takes two seconds to make a dragon turn? Colour me unimpressed.
FraserLow 4 years ago
RUINA
Maxiuds 4 years ago
Lair review scores:
GameSpy: [1.5] out of [5]
GameSpot: [4.5] out of [10]
IGN: [4.9] out of [10]
EGM: [5.5] out of [10]
Entertainment Depot [3] out of [10]
poperojones 4 years ago
Anyone who actually needs to watch this is just plain stupid.
If you can play a game just by jiggling your arms then it's... not even a game.
If all the shitty reviews exist because the reviewer can't even move their hand right from playing so much XBox then I'm sorry, but screw them.
halfling2 4 years ago
I think you can play it relax when just there is no enemy in sight.
IKDzero 4 years ago
Ok so if I am REALLY careful with my movements the dragon will -kind of- eventually respond to my input? I'm sorry, but watching you play this and seeing your dragon slowly dip and turn a few seconds after you do it with the controller looks boring as hell to me. Watch a gameplay video of metroid prime 3 with it's motion controls if you want to see responsive and immersive gameplay that is done well. Lair is crap.
animtr83 4 years ago
yer lair was a real letdown, but i never liked metroid
animekid200 4 years ago
I'm sorry, but steady and gentle is the name of the game. Lair isn't crap, and the controls are fine. Sounds like you haven't actually played the game, considering you're just basing your opinion of "boring" on the TUTORIAL for crying out loud! Combat is much better. BTW MP3 is shite, Quake 2 graphics at best.
stoneglitter 4 years ago
Have you actually played prime 3? I guess if good graphics = fun to you then lair is a good choice. Oh wait...it has poor framerate, tearing and various other glitches. Prime 3 doesn't have advanced graphics but it does have good art direction, creative use of what is available, great atmosphere, near-perfect controls, and completely immersive gameplay. If your awesome graphics can't deliver the rest of that list then it's not a good game.
animtr83 4 years ago
I just said it looked boring. I like fast-paced games, not ones where I have to be very, very careful. I haven't played it maybe I'll change my mind (I'm a huge fan of dragons), but I've seen videos, I've read and watched reviews, and I've talked to people who have played it, and the overwhelming majority state that the game is utter garbage, especially compared to what it could have been.
animtr83 4 years ago
It would be cool if you can play with the analog :(
Vampire8887 4 years ago
Um... This video is a flat-out lie... I HAVE Lair, the game's not great, but the controls are a hell of a lot more responsive than you're showing... Except the 180 thing, never freaking works... The bad controls have nothing to do with sixaxis being unresponsive, unless your controller is broken...
bobtheduck 4 years ago
I think your controller has to be less repsonsive than mine (I guess they're all built by hand, so they differ from controller to controller) because it takes much less movement to turn the dragon in my game... Didn't realize you were actually trying to DEFEND the controls... They still suck, just not because of the Sixaxis, though.
bobtheduck 4 years ago
the very fact that you have to defend it illuminates its weakness.
Plus the footage looks ridiculously boring.
McBradd 4 years ago
oh, and "targetting: note the red mark": Thank you consoles for making it impossible to target by just aiming at something, you know, like you'd do with a joystick or a mouse.
MamiyaOtaru 4 years ago
So we all know the game reacts slowly to input. So you're saying if we "relax" (move the controller slowly) the game can keep up? Brilliant! Never would have thought of that.
MamiyaOtaru 4 years ago
and honestly who the fuck plays like that, I honestly don't think anyone randomly moves the controller like that. Unless they're a retard.
Kemuri07 4 years ago
Are the controls for lair really that bad?
If you have to explain to people how to actually play it, than yes it is that bad.
Kemuri07 4 years ago 2
you making fun of palsy victims with your "demonstration" huh, asshole.
brandonflav 4 years ago 2
Lair has non responsive controls... even whne the guy in the vid moved the controller as slow as hell it still took a few moments for the dragon to move. oh, and by the way, dragons ARE agile. great graphics, crappy framerate. and HORRIBLE gameplay. its the slightly screwed controls, constant buttonmashing, crappy framerate, bad lock on and lack of replay value that ruins the game :( oh and btw, HALO 3>lair, killzone 2, warhawk, resistance, you.
alontorres 4 years ago
this game sucks. but metroid corruption is pretty fun if your looking for a good game.
lintfreecloth 4 years ago 3
My two gp:
1. Controls aren't for casual gamers, they're for people that like depth, and even then they're a little unresponsive.
2. The game itself isn't interesting at ALL. Really, it gets repetitive.
3. I played it at a friends house, we passed it in one day. I don't really want to play it again... what for?
corronchilejano 4 years ago
this game is pure garbage and you should be payed to even play it
ImagineGamer 4 years ago
Sure, it's fantasy... but that doesn't mean that a dragon has to move like a freaking UFO. Besides, dragons are BASED on real life bones of other animals. It's a freaking animal, not a machine. No animal can move like a machine ever can and it never will. In the beginning, where the caption goes "If you plays like this... the controls won't work." WELL OF COURSE IT WON'T WORK IF YOU'RE PLAYING LIKE A RETARD.
megid00 4 years ago
it's true though...the controls aren't that hard.
And what the hell is a "professional." In video games? Did they get a degree in playing games? No, they jsut get paid to write about them, why are they professionals.
I'm not trying to justify I lair, I certainly see the problems with it, but I just think it's weird that if you write in a magazine you're suddenly a "professional."
cloudkitt 4 years ago
Lair sucks. End of story. If you want fun wait until September 25th.
yivkX 4 years ago
What for Halo 2.5. Go play with your plastic army men.
simplyb1980isback 4 years ago
Dont even talk about halo 3 until you have played it. I played lair, and it sucked! Just stop being a fanboy and admit sony has lost its dominance to nintendo and ms.
yivkX 4 years ago
The people reviewing these games are professionals, do you really think they wouldn't know how to control a game. I'm sure it just sucks for other reasons.
RDTate 4 years ago 4
Lair sucks, sony sucks
JonpaXII 4 years ago
idiot.
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That was terrible you fucking nigger. Stop fooling yourself.
angryahole 4 years ago
Fuck you uncle fucker!
simplyb1980isback 4 years ago
to me the game still looks horribly shallow and boring- "fly dragon straight ahead to thingy and shoot thingy! turn around very slowly to next thingy, fly to it and shoot it! repeat until you land and hit things with annoying slow-mo over and over! fly and repeat until end of level!" and as far as realism goes for the dragon not responding, its not much fun if it goes so damn slow like it appears to be in this video.
lamneth77 4 years ago 5
I love how fanboys come together. Look they already tossed some approvals on comments :D
Ah~ Pure fanboyism..
I played the game and I finished it. Haven't tried the update on the controls. I still enjoyed though. Now off to Bioshock.:D
megalith 4 years ago
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Kudos lairplayer5, people hate when you prove them wrong. Lair is awesome.
darthace 4 years ago
the game sucks fanboy get over it.
ItsFiddy 4 years ago 7
stll not gonna change my mind bout this game. warhawk is the game for me. if u got warhawk meet me online
psn id : HeroMan911
heroman711 4 years ago
Lair can be perfectly summed up by "I've flow too far!"
IAMJOHNHUTCHISON 4 years ago 6
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I'm actually enjoying the game. The music and feel of it bring it out for me, but the controlls COULD be better. But we need to remember that at least Lair isn't ANOTHER FPS, like every 360 game. People need to loosen up.
Austoko 4 years ago
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y do u faggits hat on the ps3 oooo cuz u dont have the cash ok u 360 dorks
cmcpats 4 years ago
Wow, that lag sucks.
The lag would be tolerable if a battle is rather slow-paced, but if you're in a thick/heavy/fast battle, you don't always have time to think of moves a whole second in advance. The ability to do something on impulse and have the game respond immeadiately is necessary.
jwbartle 4 years ago 3
Damn this game looks boring. I imagined dragons to fly swiftly in battle. It looks more like this dragon's going for a leisurely flight through the countryside and there just happened to be things to kill along the way. The only time he really seems to kick into badass mode is when he's on the ground doing his best Dynasty Warriors impression... and at that point he might as well be a fire breathing t-rex. No wonder you have to tilt the controller so slowly, he's flying like he's half asleep.
SpikeWolfwood 4 years ago 2
It doesn't actually take that long to turn, it's just the video. No lag on my controller!
heyjayman 4 years ago
this reminds me of Thanatos on my old speccy.
but, if i have to wrestle with an unmasterable tilt controler then forget it.
i would rather play a game using one of those nipple-joysticks from an old IBM laptop.
spawnfree 4 years ago 2
Oh man, I wish more games would add huge amounts of lag to their controls.
Innovative!
SeiruOkibi 4 years ago 6
Even in the video it's clear there is a lag between movement and when the dragon does something. It isn't very much but it is enough to piss of hardcore gamers, casual gamers wouldn't really notice but then again the PS3 is anything but casual.
Pirate0Queen 4 years ago 4
well hopefully this taught some idiots how to use a controller. whether its a good game or not is just preference. sony sells high priced shit in my opinion though
ryancarter86 4 years ago
The game is shit, Sony loses bigtime on this one.
Frostman3d 4 years ago 6
Doesnt look bad the way he plays it, its a friggin dragon, takes the thing to move abit. A dragon, not an X Wing.
yousini 4 years ago
Amazing the lengths some will go to to prove other people's opinions wrong. :/
Artowis 4 years ago 5
people gotta accept this game as trash and move on
ImagineGamer 4 years ago
and also, if you move the controller too slow, the siaxis won't pick up the movements very well. I don't have that much delay when i play, actually I don't even notice any delay anymore, maybe thats cause i got the new dragon =\ i havn't compared the 2 dragons yet.
comrade44 4 years ago
Just so you know, your on a dragon, not fighter jet. I've played and beat the game, you can move around faster once you get the hang of the controls and how the siaxis detects movement. But if you start to panic you WILL mess up. The reviews said that the controls "ruined" the game, i disagree. They do not do enough damage to ruin this game.
comrade44 4 years ago
Um yea, I'm not liking the delays after you perform a action....
SkyFalcon07 4 years ago 2
You shouldn't have to be relaxed with the controls. It should be able to handle faster movement.
PretentiousHousefly 4 years ago 11
While I agree with what you are saying, that doesn't mean you need to shake the controller around like an idiot whilst playing the game
KEFIOX 4 years ago
we all know this game is crap, this is just a sad damage-control video
ImagineGamer 4 years ago
I still see a big delay when you relax. Metroid Prime 3 has even more moves and attacks to pull off, and yet it controls perfectly.
boilerplate 4 years ago 3
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Of course the game didn't sell well, there are only 4 million units that have been sold worldwide.
Ryu416 4 years ago
Dude, ps3 sux sooo bad, wii and 360 own it any day. Wow man, the lag in the movement even when u do relax is TERRIBLE! I played it at gamestop and it seemed better, but maybe it was b/c i was closer to the screen or somtin?
SSAndroid 4 years ago
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The PS3 1.92 firmware apparantly fixed the control issue. That game's pretty cool. I personally enjoy it.
zamardii12 4 years ago
so every reviewer played the game wrong? Gimme a break
You fanboys need to be more critical of your exclusive titles or Sony will keep feeding you crap.
johnmedz 4 years ago 7
this game is shit stop defending it. looked like he was jerking the controller off
exoudeous 4 years ago 6
lol still fucking huge delay when you "relax" this game sucks nuts.
topo1980 4 years ago 6
sorry, but the game is about combat, not view a fictional land in a very relax way, the controls just suck, too slow, the sixaxis an the dragon should be one
fsemblert 4 years ago 9
I had high hopes, but you know what this video showed me? If you don't swing the controller around like a complete idiot, and instead make slow, gradual motions... the motion controls are still *far* less responsive than analog control would have been. Oh, and apparently dragons turn really slowly because they're big and heavy which is *why* you need to make gradual movements, but can do a 180 degree flip coupled with a 180 degree roll in a quarter second.
EspherMercury 4 years ago 6
I noticed how when you "just relaxed" that the game was still unresponsive.
GG.
kyleinstereo 4 years ago 5
This video was made in vain, because the game still sux
EMaz47 4 years ago 4
riiight... you have to be on Ritalins to play with Lair... right? If you have probs with your reflections...this game is 4 you!... why don't you wait for an update that fixes the problem instead of forcing yourselves to play?
Zonr45 4 years ago 2
Just bought it, plays and looks great. This guy is right about the controls, and the 180 is easy, just loop it outward like you're writing the curve of a capital "D" and it'll do a 180. just don't go all 'tard on the controls and you'll do fine.
kermitdfrogz 4 years ago
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yo i just got this game 2day and the controls are fine...ur all on crack!!!
bantom88 4 years ago
gamespot plays the first way lol this looks like a good game that if you like dragons you would buy it if you dont you want get it
gotdepp 4 years ago
Very well done video. Thanks!
CatchFlipsidE 4 years ago
I don't know what is worse about this game... the 40's and 50's of critic's score or the terrible sales being a "big" game.
trevinho1 4 years ago
Because you know how many it sold? Your just a Xbox Troll, admit it.
juntakyle 4 years ago
No, i'm a Nintendo one hehe.
Check score of lair in Gamespy. 1.5 of 5, so sad.
Metroid Prime 3 and Bioshock 1, Lair 0.
P.D.: Vgchartz says Lair didn't sell not even 95,000 in the launch week
trevinho1 4 years ago
Thanks man. This was definitely one of those games that I wanted to get no matter what scored it got cause I dig dragons and you just demonstrated that the controls take little getting use to but are not all that bad.
Brghill 4 years ago
Why the hell you're hiding the screen all the time, i didn't saw anything, ok, we learn the trick from 20 seconds, no need to enphasis in all the 7 minutes.
MediumKuriboh 4 years ago
haha why do you insist on talking shit? its YOU who chose to watch the video, so what are you complaining about?
DopeEd 4 years ago
This guy's right. Now, I hope the reviewers will re-review this game and follow this guy's instructions
aerodynamic41 4 years ago
awsome i love this game i beat it and this guy it conpleatly right relax
kissrocks26 4 years ago
dumbass i own a ps3 and it says hold it upright so thts y its so fuked up with him. so nxt time get the vid right and read the instructions. and even if u dont like the sixaxis u can disable it. and forget lair warhawk is gonna be out in uk on 14th september with the free headset thtl rock :P:P:P
hitmantk47 4 years ago
What do xbox lovers have to brag about? RROD's?
pwiddowson 4 years ago
christ, i thought nintendo fanboys were bad. but sony fanboys defend a horrible control scheme by saying it is a realistic dragon-flying sim.
stormcl935 4 years ago
lmao yeah, fanboys in general suck, but SONY ones take the piss, at-least xbox HAS something to brag about lol.
BloodXHawk 4 years ago
What the Red ring of death?
simplyb1980isback 4 years ago
Or maybe sonys EXPLODING consoles? at-least xbox's wait 1 year, PS just fucking copy xbox 360 + wii and TRY put it into one (FAIL!) and then have consoles explode, yeah nice one. You fucking sony heads are fucking queers.
BloodXHawk 4 years ago
I haven't played it, and probably never will. But this video, along with a lot of other stuff I've read, makes me hate the idea of playing it already.
However, that is due to how agonisingly SLOW it seems to be, and just how much patience seems to be required.
For me, that = major suckage of game.
To others, that = really fantastic game.
As the guy said- it's a design choice; not something inherently wrong with the game.
sambo27 4 years ago
I say like the rest of like mind. Your demo is definitely the way to play this game. Perhaps Factor 5 may of made the carnal sin in assuming that the gaming public wished for a "realistically" controlled dragon rather than the usual "arcade" version... Sales may sadly reveal that truth.
DirtinSky 4 years ago
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PS3 SUCK DONKY BALLS, NO GAMES AT ALL AND CAPCOM ETC WILL COME 2 XBO SOON ANYWAY HAVE FUN WITH NO GAMES, AND WHO CARES ABOUT GHOST RECON?! SHIT AS GAME! UR MADDEN ON THE PS3 HAS 30 FPS, XBOX 360'S MADDEN HAS 60 FPS, PWNED! AND STILL GR2 LOOKS BETTER ON THE 360 DEPENDING ON WHAT TV U USE IDIOT this respone was 2 simplyb
TLDElement 4 years ago
OMFG! I CAN TYPE IN ALL CAPS, BUT WHEN I WANT TO RESPOND TO SOMEONE INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY RESPONDING TO THEM, I TAKE THE PUSSY WAY OUT AND CREATE A NEW POST AND SAY "this respone was to simplyb" Fuck you pussy!
simplyb1980isback 4 years ago
Lair reminds me of an old Genesis game, Herzog Zwei, where you fly a robot while a RTS plays out. It got horrible reviews. I absolutely loved it. Now? Herzog Zwei is considered a classic and a forerunner for all RTS.
Lair will find its niche, despite reviews. Lair's controls require patience, as does its lock on mechanism (it does manually lock, btw). The graphics are amazingly good. The storyline is great. I think this game is one of the best things I've ever played.
bspence11 4 years ago
Zwei is effing awesome! I can't believe it got bad reviews :(
Warp2567 4 years ago
I suppose the only way I can find if this game's controls are frustrating or not is to try it myself. This video makes it look easy, but one single person who happens to have trained good on its controls doesn't make a statistic, does it? Or everyone should be able to make a reverse somersault in mid-air, just because there's a guy who is good and doing it and proves that it's "simple"!
...In the end, I WANT A DEMO OF LAIR IN THE PS3 STORE. *NOW*!!!!! Then I'll see for myself who is right!
lunseisleidee 4 years ago
Don't you get it? People NEED to be able to make quick movements and evasive action in a game like this. If the controller cant do it....
tcw295 4 years ago
just how erratic do you play? i don't think you'd need to shake it like a rattle in this game.
megalith 4 years ago
it's a three thousand pound dragon, you dumbass. it's not going to handle like a fucking sparrow or a falcon. if realism isn't your thing, go buy a wii.
blklightning330 4 years ago
Personally, im more of a "just play the game and have fun" type of person. Even if it isn't realistic, if you're having fun, its all good, but if you're not having fun, but everything is realistic and shit, whats the point???
besides, what the hell dictates how "realistic" dragon flight is? Has anyone SEEN a 3000 pound dragon and have flown it? Your logic goes outside the box and into the looney bin, if you ask me.
Ricepickingpablo 4 years ago
Read what I said before you spout your wonderful, wonderful ignorance.
Don't just let your eyes scan over the accumulation of characters on the screen; REGISTER THE WORDS, AND THEIR MEANINGS, AND UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING. OKAY?!
I said for me personally, because of how slow the game design is, (and DON'T tell me it's that way because it's "Dragon realism", unless you crave humiliation), that I do not like the look of it.
sambo27 4 years ago
By the way, my comments were aimed at "BlkLightning", not anyone else, but the reply feature seems to be screwed at the moment.
Ricepickingpablo- have to agree with you 100% my friend. Realism doesn't mean shit unless the game is enjoyable. Now I'm not saying realism doesn't have benefits- Forza 2 is awesome, but the overall experience still has to be fun.
sambo27 4 years ago
When I'm controlling a flying tank of fiery-destruction, I don't want to take 30 minutes to aim the damn thing, I want the gameplay to consist entirely of:
- POINT
- KILL
sambo27 4 years ago 4
Sounds like you want a game that takes no skill. Awesome.
68pontiac 4 years ago
Skill should come from the game play itself, not the controls. Controls should be simple. Look at Ninja Gaidan. Heck, my Mom can run around and use the sword in that game. What makes it skillfull is the enemies and obstacles you face in the game. Dumbass.
SidepocketPro 4 years ago
I also said that for other people, that very same attribute is a huge plus-point for them, and that the pacing isn't something that's a FAULT of the game, just a specific design choice which lends itself to some people more than others.
ALRIGHT?!
sambo27 4 years ago
"it's a three thousand pound dragon, you dumbass. it's not going to handle like a fucking sparrow or a falcon. if realism isn't your thing, go buy a wii."
You're kidding, right? Two things:
1) Realism doesn't make a game good or justify any of its shortcomings. Stop acting like it does.
2) You do understand the irony (or stupidity) of talking about realism in a game with MYTHICAL CREATURES, right?
Dolt.
FreakmanJ 4 years ago 5
Eghh, This game is ok. I was really excited about it, but it just didn't live up to the hype. I can live with the controls, but the game is just mediocre. Nice video though, because the controls really are not that bad.
freeagentxms 4 years ago
Excellent video. I was on the fence about this game, but I think it's going to be great. Thanks for giving me such an informed showcase of the game! =)
eellen3 4 years ago
Here's a bit of a slice on what these bashers do.
1.You've read a negative review.
2.You've tried the game with the thought of the negative review.
3.You bash the controls and not try to adjust to how it feels.
4.You neglect to give it a shot.
5.You're a 360 fanboy with epileptic or has Parkinson's disease.
6.You ride the bandwagon of haters.
This season im going to play 360 for halo 3(not enuf $ for Bioshock), ps3 warhawk and lair; and wii of course metroid.
megalith 4 years ago 2
I don't think Epileptic prone people are allowed to play video games.
I DO agree with most of your reasonings.
To add to your 1 and 2 reasons, I do think that reviews do play a role in determining what games you will spend 80 bucks on, especially for those with a budget limit, but true, unbiased gamers should not subject themselves to reviews.
In retort do your haters bit, let them be, they don't know what they'll be missing.
Ricepickingpablo 4 years ago
I love the controls in this game, they feel smooth and responsive most of the time. The only problem I have is that the turbo and 180 control is on the same move. T_T I want to kill that idiot who came up with this bright idea. But most of the time they feel really nice. I don't know why people hate the control so much >_>
Chirasengan 4 years ago
Does this game work on 480i?
Please help me.
alexandrefisher 4 years ago
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gambare 4 years ago
i think that the game is gust fine and there is no problem with it !! 7.3
vXAXEXv 4 years ago
i think that the game is just fine and there is no problem with it !! 7.3
vXAXEXv 4 years ago
Does anyone else despise the sound of people pressing buttons on the PS2 and PS3 controllers. It makes me want to explode
MrDow123 4 years ago 2
This game looks like a its a lot of fun to play.
Noreason1907s 4 years ago 2
Lair looks like a pretty good game from what I see. IGN did give it a 4.9, but I would rather experience the game myself before I give final judgement.
MSkull01 4 years ago
I have no problem playing this game myself, and really enjoyed it.
My only gripe is Factor5 have just re-hashed the old StarWars games and replaced the X-Wing with a Dragon. Both games play exactly the same, and it's hardly the next evolution of this type of game. Still, it's good while it lasts though a multiplayer option would have been great.
scuffpuppy 4 years ago 2
I love tha fact that people are tring to defend the fact that they dont give the gamer the option. I have a ps3 and the the whole motion thing is so dumb just let me use my thumbs.
trexx32 4 years ago
Looks like the controls respond just fine. You cant expect things to work if you just spaz out with the controls. I mean you cant do that with the wiimote and play well can you?
Murrytmds 4 years ago
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So basically you are saying don't expect the game to be very responsive, so just do everything REALLY SLOWLY? No thank you.
4.9'd
kuzuboshii 4 years ago
Hes saying dont spaz out with it with it and expect the controls to respond at the same pace you dont have to do it slow you just do it at a normal speed rather then a fast spaz motions
kikook222 4 years ago
No, I understand that you cant move faster than the response, however, the movement should have been faster in the first place. if you want to see how dragons are supposed to fly, go play Panzer Dragoon. The dragon is just too damned slow, sixaxis or no.
kuzuboshii 4 years ago
but what would happen if u bought the PS2 controller adapter and played with a wired PS2 controller?
bantom88 4 years ago
LAIR works with a ps2/any analog controller. the motion sensing automatically turns off if you are not using six axis
washimul 4 years ago
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no if you move the sixaxis the controls should respond straight away otherwise,yes u guessed it it has bad controls.why must fanboys who bought the game before relising it was bad keep saying these are good controls
thomg23 4 years ago
i think the problem with many people they think that the dragons should move and turn like an aeroplane or an x-wing, but they are living beings, not machines.
Pillowstriker 4 years ago 3
Just the more reason why they should be more agile, more flexible and above all - more precise. A plane does not have a backbone, a dragon does - and it can move.
DrOmni 4 years ago
yea so ture :)
blueblur66 4 years ago
the reason they can't fly like airplane is because they need to flap their wing to gain more height, also dragon can't turn their body that fast because they're big unlike birds.. it doesn't matter tho, the developer won't think that far lol
darkava123 4 years ago
What the fuck are you talkng about? A dragon isn't a living creature, because it doesn't fucking exist. Pull your head out of your ass and stop trying to justify shit controls.
FreakmanJ 4 years ago
I think the reviewers played similar to what was shown at the beginning of this video. Alot of people don't have patience. Though I do wish they had added analog control when in flight.
likeicare845 4 years ago 5
Thanks for the I am considering buying it but i will probably rent it first. The graphics look amazing but i don't have a HD-TV, does anyone know what the graphics are like on an SD-TV as somebody said they weren't very good
kosb3 4 years ago
For some reason, initially the game had bad contrast on SD, but I picked up S-Video cables over the weekend, and now it looks great. If you're using component cables (RCA), I wouldn't expect much.
Still, Lair's a good game, much better than the reviews. The controls are actually pretty good with my only gripe is too many cut scenes in the middle of levels.
russ99a 4 years ago
i agree once u learn to manouver the SIX AXIS nothing is more pleasant than this graphical marvel
washimul 4 years ago
Thanks for the video, a great example of how the game should be played.
mackiep1 4 years ago 3
Wether or not the sixaxis controls are adequate, it was still a bad idea not to include the option of analogue controls.
room1221 4 years ago
It's a good game. Play it before saying stupid things just because some reviewers didn't like it.
Abbecedario 4 years ago
The controles still have an immense delay, even if you do "relaxy". Face it, the controles are crap, and so is the sixaxis. The only way I can stomach playing this game is through the psp controles.
Raansu 4 years ago
Raansu,
Sixaxis is fine. Play warhawk.
Kuroinokaze 4 years ago
The controles arnt fine. The sixaxis itself is horrible. Its liked the guy that made up the idea watched his 5 year old kid playing some racing game leaning left to right like an idiot and thought it would be a good idea, but its not.
Raansu 4 years ago
Bought it, played it, didn't like it, am takin it back...end of story, for me at least.
DeadChocobo 4 years ago 2