"lets assert that some kind of space time quantum foam sort of something existed before our universe began..." and they say it takes blind faith to believe in God?
@jerlstif Amen. Its funny the first law of thermo dynamics states the energy cant be created or destroyed. Hmmm. Doesnt that sound like another description of God?
It's possible because if nothing existed then there's no laws of physics nor any rules to say that anything is impossible. Therefore anything is possible.
I honestly didn't think that any rational people, would believe that the universe came out of NOTHING... To me, it is the most illogical idea I've ever heard...
@asonesson .... i pity you for having such a narrow thinking brain. The universe has always existed... does that bother you, yes it probably does. If it does your brain is not smart enough to understand it. I don´t even understand it fully, but i can look the evidence and see that the universe has always existed.
@Ipowne3g I'm not saying its wrong (actually I think it is), but I think that it is the most illogical way that the universe came into existence, considering the alternatives.
Saying that everything created out of nothing is forgetting that it gets even smaller =P
There is no form of "Nothing" within the limits of existence,If there was then there would be Dead spots that cannot interact with anything at all,places that can't hold anything,can't be held by anything,can't affect anything and are unaffected by anything.
If a "nothing" would have been within the limits of existence,it would be in an unrelated dimension,for it can't interact with the universe by any means
If you are a truth seeker, search "Truth Contest" in Google and click on the 1st result, then open The Present and read what it says. Everyone needs to see this. The Present will turn this world right-side up if it reaches enough people.
Oh, sin equals 1, but pi equals 3.14, plank just trued everything up and went with calculus integration of all variables so that metric went with english. However, every ring field of primes can go to infinity making all scales of infinity going to zero creating infinite calculuses. So, perhaps you have 5 gravitational balls, you can eventually break a contemporary singular calculus, plus you gets all the new equations.
Now back to my point.. scientists who believes in god are basically those who can't answer the ever rhetorical questions that bombards them no matter how much of a "truth" they discovered. Say... who/what/why/how provides such an enormous amount of energy to such a tiny speckle of mass? Why/how does the speckle of mass exist in the first place? Even if they could answer that, there is an infinite loop of unanswerable questions.
For those who argue whether science or god should triumph. I have one simple answer to that, none shall win. Do u know why there are scientists who believes in god? Do note that believing in god does not necessary refers to the bible, Quran, or whatever crap which is written by the human hand. God may simply refers to an imaginary entity which is beyond the human's mind to fully understand. It is a form of mechanism in our mind to escape from the unknown.
@billywarren22 Was the holy spirit too busy to write the bible? It had to use a flawed creature with different languages, dialects, customs like oral tradition (originally since most of the story tellers were illiterate) to write the bible. By default, man goes to hell. Why even bother leaving such a vital task as your own bible to a creation you found so revolting you flooded the earth & send to hell? And everybody has a different interpretation. Well planned- makes perfect sense
@utubepunk God can use any means to reveal himself the fact that he chose to reveal the word in this manner was a way to draw man close to him. Again doesnt need your approval on how to be God. Hes revealtion is perfect and to give it to man is to reaveal the way for man to be made right with God. All your doing is hating God and saying its his fault no youre responsible for you. Now why dont we agree to disagree ot is that too hard a concept.
@billywarren22 sigh. Billy, your answers need to make sense to be convincing. Ur god revealed himself in a flawed manner as is evident by all the non-believers & other religions throughout the world. When were the scrolls even discovered? What a perfect revelation! This is not the action of a perfect being! Pointing out obvious inconsistencies is not hating your god. You use that hate god excuse because you know it doesn't make sense. Ur cognitive dissonance is too hard a concept.
Universe was made out of Dark matter that was produced by god and then it built an earth in center of the galaxy and all other galaxies and then it slowly moved to where it is today. That's the only true.
@Pr3fixProducts You're either not serious, or you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Just another arrogant ignorant religious robot. Not new.
@CrimeBeatsMusic Also I like how clueless you are and how you poorly support your arguments and yet you call other people arrogant and ignorant. It's not other people that is ignorant and arrogant, it is you.
@2001Horatio The universe has always existed, saying that it has been "created" out of nothing is wrong and no respectable physicist would ever say that.
@Ipowne3g No the universe hasnt always existed it is expanded meaning it had starting point where it was birthed if you will. Evolutionary biologist say that the universe is about 13 trillion years old. If you age something that giving the time of its existance meaning at one point it didnt exist. One the other point studies show that about 88% of people beleive in God not a higher power. I was wrong on the number. Asit says in Romans God has proven that he is in the creation.
Well, Billy - everything in the universe was present in the singularity that suddenly began expanding. Including spacetime. The big bang theory says NOTHING about how that singularity came to be, we just don't know. It MAY have existed forever, but since time itself is a part of out expanding universe, there is no point in discussing 'before' the big bang, as our time didn't exist. And no no no no, evolutionary biologists say absolutely NOTHING about the big bang.
@tdjdk The first law of thermodynamic states that energy cant be created or destroyed so its eternal. Could that eternal energy be that of God? Heres the point you admit that you dont know but yet say it cant be God. The big bang could it have been God saying let there be light? Time had a beginning for see without time nothing(other than God for he is outside of time being spirit) in the realm of existance or well exist. So that singularity couldnt be without time and space to exist. So in a wa
@tdjdk in a way youre posing the question of what came first the time or the universe? If no time/space both go hand and hand then no singularity. See truth is its simple in the beginning God. I know you think too simple but the simpliest answer usually is the right one. God bless.
@billywarren22 .... WHAT!!!!! you are the stupidest person on this part of the galaxy.... Biologists have nothing to do with the age of the universe, Scientists say and can prove that the universe is 13.7 BILLION not Trillion years old. And if 88% of the population of the earth were to believe in GOD then that would mean that 88% of the world population were either Christians, Muslims or Jews.... which is no true!! There are nearly a Billion Hindus in the World, They do not believe in your GOD!-
@Ipowne3g There are some now who say that universe could be 13 trillion years old but either way when you age something thats the time it has existed so at one point it didnt. So the universe had a cause(God) and the universe could be that old doesnt prove no God and they know that they cant disprove God. I never said that the 88% believed in Christ just in God or a god but there is but one and I must preach his name. God bless and farewell.
@billywarren22 What the fuck are you talking about... the universe has an infinite age and the time that has past since the big bang is 13.8 billion years, NOT TRILLION! And no the universe does not need a creator, if you had been up to date with current science you would have known this! The universe has always existed and had no beginning, it needs no triggering cause , does this bother you... i can imagine it does, the human brain is not good enough to understand this, only a few ---
@Ipowne3g No the universe had a clear beginning the only eternal thing is energy which is that of God. First law of thermodynamics. I hate religion but love Jesus he is my King. BTW No need for vile language use smart words.
@billywarren22 The universe had no beginning, THAT HAS BEEN PROVEN! the time that has past since the big bang is 13.8 billion years. Before the Big bang there was no time so the universe had been existing for an infinite time. Just because your brain can´t cope with the thought of a effect without a cause it does not make it true, things are true because you can prove it. This has been proven, accept it or perish along with your brainwashed cult. This conversation is over!
@Ipowne3g Dude with all due respect that is absurd for in your view if no time how can anything exist for space and time go hand in hand if no time than no space and no space no universe and you cant prove that no way anyone could its a lame theory to try to take God out of the equation and place almighty man on high. Yeah this conversation is over and I wish you all the best and God bless.
@maujo2009 I could reverse that on you why not it God and not energy? What I was pointing out was since this energy is eternal and God is eternal could it be the energy is in fact the(spirit) energy of God himself? Just a thought. God bless.
@billywarren22 Then you would have to define God to me. Because if God is that that transforms from one form to another and is always conserved, then I would conclude that that is energy, not God. Not even just energy: mass, electrical charge, etc, all fit into the same category, don't you think?
@maujo2009 God is spirit. He is upove nature he controls nature his might can be seen in everything. He is the eternal one. You see the works of his hands in creation. When a lightning bolt flashes Gods might can be seen and felt. Truth is God is too vast to be described in our limited language he is just awesome. God can transform just has he did inot the form of a dove or when he took on flesh in Jesus. God bless.
@billywarren22 Why does Jesus have different lineages in the NT if your bible is divinely inspired? Inaccuracies & inconsistencies means its NOT a perfect revelation as you claim. God is now a transformer? Sweet.Too bad he's a Decepticon! So why is it okay for god to do immoral things by his own definition? That makes him a hypocrite. Do you believe people are magically strong because they have long hair? Do you lack the faith to move mountains? Our whole race created by incest?
@billywarren22 --- of us has the brain capacity to understand this, i´m sorry if you have an insufficient brain and cannot understand this, so why don´t you just live in your little bubble of belief without proof and let Atheism rise and kill religion.. Huh, cuz it will and one day your kids will grow up and be taught about real science and none of that creationist bullshit! grow up and kill your imaginary friend.
@billywarren22 I don´t rely think that you understand what the word God means. When you say God you are referring to the Christian, Muslim and Jewish god not The old Nordic gods Thor and Freja, you are not referring to a Hindu God since God is not in Plural. Buddhists does not believe in God, Hindus have thousands of Gods and the few whom still worship Thor does not believe in ... GOD!
@Ipowne3g yeah many man mad gods but one true living God. God is still God whether you like it or not so we will have to agree to disagree and leave it at that. God bless.
@billywarren22 HAHAH :D You have no proof, What makes the Christian god soooooooooooo special..........NOTHING, for all we know Thor could be the one true god, so .... i guess i have to say.. Fuck you.
@Ipowne3g Creation is the proof What makes my God the one true God he died for my sins no other"god" ever would cuz well they dont exist. YHWH does. God bless and farewell.
@billywarren22 How is creation proof when you can't even prove any of your religious claims to be true? I thought Jesus died for your sins? So do you worship jesus or god? I thought you're only supposed to worship 1 god? No other god before god, right? Go talk to a physicist about your thermal dynamics claim if you truly want to be educated instead of parroting the same thing over & over. You claim to think for yourself but then believe unproven things. Evidence please.
@utubepunk Jesus is God. HE said I and the father are one. When God said let us create man in our image he was hinting at the trinity. Father son holy spirit Funny you cant prove God doesnt exist and you know that science can never disprove God.
@billywarren22 So Jesus prays to himself? He sacrificed himself to himself? So you're telling me god can die? God sits at the right hand of himself? Don't make sense! It doesn't count as a sacrifice if he comes back to life. Our image? Does the scripture say Jesus or you just interpreting it as the trinity which wasn't even a concept until MUCH later. I don't have to prove god doesn't exist- we have evidence of how the universe & mankind came to be. Burden of proof remains on you.
@billywarren22 Well first of all you have no proof of creation, second how do you know that the Christian god is the one true god, how can you say that the others don´t exist, please give me some proof and not just your petty beliefs.
@billywarren22 --- then you have nearly 300 million Buddhists whom do not believe in GOD! Why don´t you actually do some real investigation and look up some real numbers, your fucking Creationist pages are wrong and are trying to create their own world view. So until you can provide some actual proof SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE!!!!
Question: If a tiny fraction of a gram of matter can be created from nothing so easily, and then quickly escalate into an entire universe, then how is the universe not in a complete state of disorder? You can't just apply the Uncertainty Principle wherever it is convienient for you. This sort of creation event has to be able to occur at anytime and not just a time when the universe consisted of nothing but this mysterious 'quantum foam'. You havn't beaten Thomas Aquinus' logic yet.
@WayneMcFadyen The Universe will eventually be in a total form of disorder. The Universe has gone from a state of order to disorder. That's exactly how it works. I'm not sure of the reason behind why it doesn't just occur all the time, but I do no there IS a reason for that. Just not sure of it, so I won't be ignorant and just come up with an answer for it.
@WayneMcFadyen Just to add to your argument. I think I have found the reason, this sort of "creation" does happen all the time, but because it is happening in an already created Universe and space, it doesn't inflate into another Universe, as it wouldn't work. This theory is sound, it all checks out. This is why I follow it.
"Something from Nothing" is a distinct anti-quantum theory. You must have a pre-determining anticedent (a mind) to make something greater than what it already is. Time is only a residency --not a deciding factor or incentive.
You're speaking from a black hole.. sucking in worlds of thought without a hint of reciprocation.
"You will be as gods deciding what is right or wrong (& what life is)..." --a counter morality "morality".
@riahmatic I have all the evidence I need. You need to come down from your high horse of thinking you have some sort of position in life..to "wag its tail". Humility is the best teacher, and in many ways..your only savior. An atheistic viewpoint is simply self-defeating: No self-discipline; No distinction; No affective cause; No significance; & ultimately..No form of benevolance.
One can't believe in the all-divine "Self" & expect to be taken seriously.--that's the "evidence" I percieve.
@microvantastic "An atheistic viewpoint is simply self-defeating: No self-discipline; No distinction; No affective cause; No significance; & ultimately..No form of benevolance." Self-discipline can be learned through experience and reason. For the others, I assume you are referring to objective properties. Why do you believe they are necessary? I see no contradiction in their absence. A humble mind realizes how elusive truth can be, and awaits good justification before believing.
This video has proof that God might exist,since if the universe today was created by something,what created that something?It goes on and on,and this might be proof that God does exist.But then,WHO created God,then?
@kriegervonsasuke God is spirit and not matter or flesh so he unlike us is not bound to the laws of this realm. He is above them but can enter into them as he did in the form of Christ.
@billywarren22 Mmm,what I had said was something to ponder about,and it seems you got your answer.But,what you have replied does not help me find an answer to my question.If God created us,and God is spirit,then who created the spirit?Please enlighten me and forgive my ignorance,if you are offended.
@kriegervonsasuke God needs no creator he is devine. Look at this way there some scientist who say that energy is eternal well could it be the energy they are seeing is in fact God. They say that energy cant be created or detroyed that sounds like God to me. Im not offended its a good question and thank for your respectful approach.
@billywarren22 No, your argument is flawed. Energy is indeed scientifically eternal. But at the time of the Big Bang, the Universe created the same amount of negative energy as it did positive, meaning that it all adds up to 0. Leaving no room for a God to be energy. Think about this, you want to build a hill, so you start to dig and shovel it into a hill, you not only create a hill, but also a hole, that is the negative energy. Matter and Mass being positive and space itself being negative.
@billywarren22 It's easy to not understand this, but it's ok if you don't. But Matter and Mass being the positive energy created in the Big Bang and all space itself being the negative energy. We also know that nothing can indeed randomly create stuff, we know this because we understand Quantum Mechanics. That added to the fact that "before the Big Bang" didn't exist, means there was no time for a God to create anything. You might say that God isn't bound to these, but where is your proof?
@1123joey My friend I didnt say that I believe that energy isnt eternal Im saying that eternal energy is in fact God. He is timeless he wasnt created nor can he be destroyed and with respect if you can believe that nothing absolute nothing can create than you are believing fairytales. You need material and since nothing is just that nothing all you will get is nothing. your equation reads 0+0=1? Nothing with nothing created something? Yor hill analogy is flawed though yes I create a hill
@1123joey I started with the first hill. I didnt start with nothing I clearly didnt with nothing. BTW I meant your not yor my bad. Think about you believe that nothing that means not even energy can create and energy is required to create try to build that hill without energy even a machine uses enegy. Anyway I do thankyou for the respectful manner of your approach and I wasnt being rude I was trying to show that you stand on quicksand while I stand on the rock. God bless.
@billywarren22 With all due respect. Exactly what rock do you stand on? Religion and the idea of God stands on nothing, it stands on air. It has no evidence for its claims. It has nothing, literally nothing. You claim all day long but to claim it to be true, you need evidence and research. If you look at what has been gathered through Science, Quantum Mechanics, Quantum Physics, etc... You quickly see that there is no room for a God. To say, oh God did it, is lazy beyond belief. Think about it.
@1123joey All the proof is right in front of you you can clearly see design. Even Dawkins admitted that there is evidence for a designer granted he says little green men but even he can see design. The problem is youre trying to box in this little box because you cant stand the idea of him but youre willing to believe that chance and unguided forces and even that nothing can somehow create. In your world view we are a cosmic accident with no ryhme or reason even Dawkins says that too
@billywarren22 No, see, let me make something very clear. My mind is more open than anyone could imagine. You need to understand this. You imply that it isn't open, when it is. Me understanding and accepting what I have just explained, is evidence for my open mindedness. You clearly can't see or won't accept these facts. Because they ARE scientific FACTS. If you can't see this then you're ignorant. I'm sorry, but you are. Again, none of that is evidence for intelligent design...
@billywarren22 If you claim to understand the claims I just made in my previous comments, then you would be lying. Tell me straight, you don't understand it do you? No, you don't, I already know you don't. I can tell you why, because you're closed minded to the idea of something with NO cause. You know why? Because it didn't occur in any of the dimension's that we live, breathe, exist in and understand to a certain limit. Beyond our local dimension's, things start to not make sense...
@1123joey and he even says that there is no right or wrong good or evil but pitiless indifference. It is not lazy to say God did it no its common sense you wouldnr look at a masterpiece and not give credit to the master but thats what youre doing when you look at the masterpiece of the universe. You rather see yourself as goo that talks than give credit to God. God is spirit and cant be explained by our limited knowledge and yeah our knoweledge is limited. Thomas Edison once said, We only know
@1123joey one tenth of one percent of anything" so in a nice way he was saying we are still dumb as they come. You see a fluke but truth is there is purpose you see chance when there is devine will. Gods fingerprint is all around. I stand on the rock of Gods spirit, truth and everlasting power. You stand on we came from soup. Look at DNA its called the blueprint of life well do blueprints write themselves? No a mind is required. In the end we will have to agree to disagree. God bless.
@billywarren22 NO! Blueprints DO write themselves? HOW could you deny that?!?! Honestly... You believe some crazy stuff... You need to do your research some time. You to be honest, you probably already have, but can't understand what the facts and evidence mean, even when someone is there to explain it to you. You need to open your mind. Let go of your limited thinking capabilities. You're wasting a good life that could be put to good and extraordinary things. It's sad really.
@billywarren22 Saying that, looking at your profile... I give up. There is literally nothing I can say that would make you look at things differently. At the end of the day, the burden of proof lies with the one who makes the claims. This is you, with the claims of a God, with no proof. Taking evidence that lies in the favour of something else, is not proof on Gods behalf. You need evidence and proof FOR God. There is none, and there for, there is no scientific reason for one to believe.
@1123joey yoy just said that we live in just three dimensions so if that were true how do know that the knowledge in those "other dimensions" there isnt evidnence of God. Aagin what you want is God to stand in front of you and say here I am but God isnt your servent he is God and as it says in Romans creation is proof of a creator so you are without excuse. Since you cant put God under microscope it cant be real. God is spirit or in your terms he is that higher dimensional being you cant touch.
@billywarren22 And because you believe that he is that higher dimensional being you can't touch, see, hear or feel in whatever other manner, he is not real. You just said it yourself. Thank you. It is on record. But in all seriousness, because of this, where is the scientific reason to believe in a God? It does no good for us, it doesn't help us personally, it might help you personally, but nothing something else couldn't take place for. Btw... the bible or any other book is not proof...
@billywarren22 The bible is a book that was created 2000 years ago, written by primitive human beings with primitive thought. It's surprising that it has actually lasted this long. I have already given you the reason why you and many others still believe it, because it gives you a cause for everything. The human mind can't and still can't really comprehend an existence without a cause. Think a little, use that brain of yours. Have you read the bible? If you have, you'd know it makes no sense.
@1123joey What I meant by cant touch is you cant fully comprehnd God so in your mind if you cant put God in a nice little box then he cant be real but scripture says do not lean on your own understanding. God is saying dont trust your limited knowledge alone but in all your ways trust God. I hate religion but I love God. I am a sinner and no amount of religion will right me with God only the blood of Christ can cleanse my filthy heart. I have though of these things and have realized
@billywarren22 You need to come into the 21st century then. You're stuck in the dark ages, believe that God did all this, that's the most basic answer anyone could have given. Explain the unexplainable with the 3 letter word, God. It's childish. Anyway, like I said before, you need to open you're mind to new things. God isn't the answer to anything, science is, you're using science right now, without it we couldn't be where we are today, but because humans are naturally curious, we are...
@1123joey that you are talking about complex things that not evne the brightest minds can full understand and yet you still say No God. Faith jujst means srong belief so you too live by faith we all do it depends in what. Its funny you used the word claims and thats all you say we have but thats all you have for no mere human was there at the beginning so they really cant say No God. God is truth not religion. As I said earlier we will have to agree to disagree you see fluke I clealry see God.
@billywarren22 Claims that are right. Hey you're right. No humans were there, But I'll tell you what was there, the particles and matter that is all around us was there when the Big Bang happened, and because of that, we can study it with deadly accuracy. The truth is, you're wrong, and because you have 2 things that mix perfectly with believers, 1 is faith and 2 is the fact that you can't come to terms with something that didn't have a cause. That is the ultimate God delusion. Enjoy your life.
@1123joey In closing I find it funny that you said earlier that you believe that nothing can create ans you say that im deluded.Science just means knowledge thats all How were those particles created how did they come into being. First law of thermodynamic states that energy cannot be created or destroyed. Could that enegy be that of God? Just a thought. Your universe violates causality the universe must have a cause. In the beiginning God. as I said we will have to agree to disagree. Farewell
@billywarren22 No... not farewell. Clearly... You still can't understand Quantum Mechanics. At the Quantum scale NOTHING can create SOMETHING. Using the term God as a gap filler is pathetic, by all means, at least use something more worthy. You sir have no IDEA what you are talking about. You come here with your big claims but can't back them up, all you can do is attack mine. Yet you can't disprove them, you know why? Because they are fact, whether you like it not, NOTHING can CREATE something.
@billywarren22 This NOTHING is literally NOTHING. This is another dimension. We have NO IDEA how it works. But we KNOW that NOTHING can CREATE something. I'm using caps so that you can see that I'm outlining the FACTS. Whether you like the idea or not, the idea of God does no longer fit in with modern day Science and Quantum Physics and Mechanics. Now go look for a better argument.
@1123joey Wow thats your idea of nothing my friend another dimension would be something not nothing. So you can believe that a nothing can create but not God. I dont have to disprove your stand youre doing just fine yourself. How can a nothing have a dimension its NOTHING. No matter, enegy mass, nothing. Thankyou I needed a good laugh. No further will I talk to you. Goodbye.
@billywarren22 Jesus fucking christ... not nothing with dimension in it. Another fucking dimension with NOTHING in it at the time of the big bang of course. You seize to amaze me with your stupidity... You're clearly dumber than you look, can't exactly read through the lines can you.
@billywarren22 Do you still need me to outline it further? "This is another dimension" See, what I'm outlining here... is the fact that I'm not talking about the three dimensions we live in. Do you finally under fucking stand now?
@1123joey Whoa no need for vile language use smart words not dumb ones. Like I said earlier in order to make your hill i needed something the first hill and you can even include the shovel and wait me and the energy to work. Does nothing require space? No its nothing. Again nothing cant create and as the first law thermodynamics says energy can neither be created or destroyed so it is eternal. Do you suppose that could be God. Even a dimension is a something its place a realm so your logic
@billywarren22 Wow, you have no understanding of what I'm saying. No understanding of what any of this means. The fact that energy adds to 0 means it DOES NOT BREAK the first law of thermodynamic's... As for the vile language, I think it's necessary for it's use, seen as though you can't comprehend any of this. Primitive thought, it's pathetic to see.
@1123joey Oh yeah in your world view do you believe in absolute right or wrong? In your world there is no good or evil right or wrong. So you could not say rape is absolutley wrong but with God you can. If you want to talk to a chimp go to your logal zoo but if to human then ok. Your nothing belief cuz you cant prove that its just theory is like me saying I drove my car hit nothing and wrecked. Well it seems that we have reached an impass. Farewell and Godbless.
@billywarren22 Honestly, you need help. How could anyone believe in absolute right or wrong? That's retarded. Wtf are you actually on about? Good and Evil exists everywhere, it exists because we as human beings understand it, not because some delusional twats 2000 years ago wrote it down in a book. Just honestly, this is like talking with a chimp. It's as if I'm at the zoo. I think you'll find that in modern Science, Theory means FACT. So honestly... just take your God and go waste your life.
@1123joey So how can you call something evil when there is no standard of good whose toy say that if youre mugged and robbed that the mugger sees it as good. There have been cultures who saw being cannibal a good thing. Is it? No. In the animal Kingdom we see thngs that in humans we would call evil but in them in them its nature but you say we are just animals so when we do something like that its just nature. Now Im done you can have the last word here for God will have the last word period.
@1123joey No use, Joey. Billy is a blind believer. Funny how his types tell us we can't understand, grasp or comprehend god, but they know everything about what god wants & thinks. You point out their logical fallacies & they ignore you, play obtuse or do the bait & switch & change the topic. They blast the evils of science while trying to use thermodynamics to make a case for their god. This is how religion twists their minds.
@billywarren22 You say, that rape is absolutely wrong... OK i agree. BUT WAIT! Your book propagates rape! Deuteronomy 22:28-29: "If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." Oh the hypocrisy you Christians speak of, when you don't even know your own book. Stupid.
@DarknesSoldier Nice try nut no. Read it again its says the the man must pay the wife price and he MUST MUST marry her and he can NEVER divorce her. Now there was another penalty though unwritten was viable the man could be out to death. These books were given to the hebrew while they wandered in the wilderness. So clearly they wouldnt have a prison to throw him in so either death or spare his life and make him honor her as wife and be given a second chance. So no God doesnt promote rape he
@billywarren22 Yeah- being forced to marry your rapist. Another awesome gem from your religion. So all a guy has to do is rape a rich women & then he would marry her and have all her money. LOL. You actually think a raped woman WANTS to marry her rapist? Only religion can twist you into believing such crap. And we have evidence that galaxies are unstable. So much design? Not. Even if it was designed, it could be ANY god. Again, please provide concrete evidence or depart.
@utubepunk One there may be unstable galaxies but its simple to explain thats due to the fall of man which introduced corruption and scared Gods creation. As God said to Adam and Eve If you eat of thr tree that I have forbidden you will surely die. Now he didnt mean they would die a physical death at the instant but that their life as they knew would die. Sin introduced corruption to the creation. So yes there may ne unstable galaxies but thats due to sin. Also that is Hebrew culture and did you
@billywarren22 LOL. So simple to explain unstable galaxies. Then use science to prove it- not a fairy tale. Bible does say there life would be over, but they live what, another 600+ years? Your god introduced sin into creation. He also introduced satan if you believe in the bible. I thought your god hardened other ppl's heart (so much for free will then, eh). I explained to you- ppl ask you all these questions & you run away to a diff thread to post the same tired, unproven myths
@utubepunk The bible says not to trust your heart Jer 17:9 o maybe God was helping clear their minds of Clutter. Look at disease and famine and wars all are result of Adams choice through one man( Adam) Sin was introduced. You do still have free will its in your mind you decide not the heart and sometimes our emotions get the better of us so God can help with that sometimes his choice not yours. I dont run I dont run like I said I cant convince you thats your choice all I can do is preach.
@utubepunk So I shall. I do believe you are trying to convine yourself as scripture says all know there is a God but deny him for the love of sin. Now I will leave you and this time not responde. You may have the last word here but God will have the last word in eternity. God bless.
@utubepunk read where I said the man would stand before the Father to be judged. There the father could decide can this man be redeemed or no. He could be put to death as well. There is plenty of design in creation look at your DNA its the building block or blueprint of life. Science has also be corrupted by the enemy and you have allowed your heart to be so hardened that you cant see the truth right in front of your face. Now as I said if you dont believe why keep knawing on that bone?
@utubepunk Why keep knocking at Gods door? Now I am an american and can respond to any video I chhose as do you but on this matter I have said lets agree to disagree. You say we God people cant prove God but you cant disprove hom either and you know it. Science may show how life has its being but it cant explain how it came into being so what do some do just guess. Every evolutionary biologist will eventually say we dont know for sure at least those who are willing to be honest. Now as the
@utubepunk saying goes you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink so I have done I have shown you the lifespring its your choice to drink or no. I see too much design for this whole thing to be a fluke too much purpose too much forthought so I will leave at that not to run awa but to help you save some honor for youre just like an annoying kid. So if youre an adult lets agree to disagree. I cant convince you thats impossible only you can decide. So if you dont want God then move
@billywarren22 Translation- everyone in this thread made points I can refute w/ evidence, so I'm leaving to another thread. I like how you don't answer the questions that prove you wrong by will spam me with 4 replies that are nothing but your cherry-picked bible verses. All you leave is with is your "I'll be right in the end' threats & taunts. You're calling me a kid? You want science to prove god w/ thermodynamics (it doesnt) but poo-poo evolution? Can't have it both ways, kid.
@utubepunk The first law states in a nut shell that energy is eternal so why cant that be the very energy of God? No threat I can do nothing to you but pray for you science does show design though you deny it. Now I dont have to waste time refuting you for theres plenty pf proof of God. I have answered you the universe is the proof. Like I said science may be able to deescribe the universe but they cant explain how it came to be no matter what they may say in the end its their quess.
@utubepunk like i said i see too much design and value and order in the universe for the fluke accident. So again I say lets agree to disagree for Im not running I think youre not as convinced of your belief as you think so thats why you keep knocking on Gods door. Hey God will draw then to him maybe youre feeling God tugging at your heart so final words you say I cant prove God so in that argument the opposite is true as well that you cant disprove him either. All I need is the fact
@billywarren22 To keep repeating "god did it" is not an argument or proof. Maybe it worked in elementary school, but not in the adult world. Me calling out your logical failings is not me knocking on god's door. U tell yourself that to make yourself feel better. Again claiming omniscience is very arrogant, Billy. The problem w/ your argument is if your god did it, so can anyone else's god. Good thing mankind strives to find the truth through science & not ancient dogmatic texts
@utubepunk You know whats funny is that about 70% of people say that they believe in God. There is but one God not allah, buddah, muhammad or any other but the true living God. Thats me being bold not arrogant. Again scinece can not explain how life began but only how it may work. Since the concept of God scares them that have decided to deny him just as scripture says they glorify him not as God. In atheism there is no absolute right or wrong just pitiless indifference as Richard Dawkins
@billywarren22 People believe Elvis lives, too- doesn't make it true. Again, more supernatural claims without proof. Proclaiming belief in your religion isn't bold- its arrogant when you claim your religion is the only true one. Concept of god scares scientist? You make up so much crap. You have no logical failings? LOL. I've lost count of the number of times that me & others have pointed all of them out. Your religion has turned you in ostrich- bury your head & ignore reality.
@utubepunk Elvis may be alive he may faked his death in order to have a normal life he was addicted to drugs extremley over weight so he may faked his death. Jesus himself said I am the way the truth the life and no one comes to the father but by me. Jesus said it first. You havent shown and failings not one you have picked scriptures that on their own yeah seem harsh but dont read the rest or deny the context. You look at God and say how dare you God violate almighty man. God is King not you
@billywarren22 LOL- Jesus said it first! More kindergarten-esque childish arguments. Actually no, there were many other messiahs in time of Jesus & before. I think Jesus killed them so he would become more popular. Hence all those missing years. Your bible is full of hatred & harsh scriptures- and I have read it. Context is just an excuse xtians use to excuse god's cruelty. BTW, your god says no other god before me, but have to go through Jebus. Yet more contradictions.
@utubepunk Jesus is God so no contradiction and Buddah may have taught peace but he couldnt abd dint die for your sins. Sins seperates us from God for the price of Heaven is perfection. You only see God as harsh bececuse you love sin thats the problem God is Holy.
@billywarren22 Jesus is god? So he prayed to himself? I thought Jebus was a man. But we need Jesus to get to god who is Jesus. He sacrificed himself to himself? Your religion makes NO sense. I see your god as harsh because he's ok with human sacrifice, slavery, sexism, genocide, etc. All those things are NOT holy. Ur the perfect example of someone suffering from cognitive dissonance. You say all these unprovable things and call them the opposite of what they are. Ur brainwashed!
@utubepunk One Jesus is God who better to show us how to relate to God than God himself. He was fully God and full man. As scripture said do not lean on your own understanding. God does not condone slavery. Slavery being the custom of that time God worked with the broken pieces of this world. Sexism read Prov 31 :10 a womans worth is far above rubies. So a woman is to be treasured. God can put anyone to death just as we do a murderer on death row. God doenst like human sacrafice but yes used it
@billywarren22 Not rely on your own understanding? Course it says that- anyone smarter than an illiterate herder wound find all this unbelievable.Fully god & fully man? Doesn't make sense. Can something be fully squirrel & fully apple? Dumb, right? Poor god, shackled to the customs of the time (slavery). Not so omnipotent! Women in bible for concubines, property (10 commandments) & NT says women be silent & not have authority over man. Xtian Jehovah Witnesses say Jesus is not god.
@utubepunk One Jehova witnesses are not christian that have a false Jesus.Jesus himself said he you has seen me has seen the father and I and the father are one. Those times were harsh but God works with broken cultures to lead out of that despair for the fall caused the abuse of women not God Yes women shouldnt have to have authoruty over a man if that man were a honorable a man should led with dignity and integrity. When it says silent it doesnt mean they cant speak it just mean not to be a
@utubepunk a busy body to have self control. Again reading too much into Gods word. God isnt shakled to anything we are God never promised to intervene on everything God is still on his throne you just cant stand that you hate God and love your sin as scripture says man loves the darkness and hate the light(Gods light) for in that darkness you can have your sin but in Gods light it will expose you for what you are a sinner just as God did with my porn addiction. In eph 5 men are to love their
@billywarren22 How is God light? He created the light. So what was there before the light? Oh yeah that's right God was there before the light. Therefore God is darkness and nothingness. Even a child can understand that logic.
@moqutpar Gods light is different than the light of the sun hes light is his pure holiness and perfection. Yes darkness as in no sun was there but as scripture says the spirit of God hovered over the deep so his light of hos spirit shinned through. Godbless and farewell.
@billywarren22 you talk total bullcrap! get with the times mate, not the bible times!! as we evolve we understand things better and "god" does not exsist!
@MrPendulumEffect od is still God in this time as he was in the time of old and in order for you to make the claim there is no God you would need absolute knowledge do you have absolute knowledge? Now you say smae goes for you but no all i need is to look at creation and i see the masters hands. No evolutionary bologist can ever say that 100% there is no God for they know that they cant prove that. Truth is you dont want God because you love sin. God is real I know he touched my life.
@billywarren22 I'm sorry, could you further clarify why an atheist needs to be able to prove 100% that god doesn't exist, but a theist can just point out a window at whatever is outside to prove that God does exist? Cos if that's not a double standard, then I don't know what is
@Bleeder599 As David said as I behold the works of your hands I ask what is man that you are mindful of him. All he had was the night sky over head in the fields he didnt need the whole unverse to see God. Atheist however would need to know all that has happened from the beiginning to now and they dont they have theories or speculations they would have to see every inch of the universe pretty hard to do since its expanding in order to gather enough knowledge to make the claim no God but if
@Bleeder599 they could then perhaps they would than see the handiwork of God but since they cant their claim remains that a claim even some admit they can not say there is no God 100%. Now a theist all he needs is the birds of the sky fish of the sea and even the wind on his face. Their claim is greater and requires absolute knowlege. how much knowledge of China would I need to claim no gold in china? Absolute. I would have to know everything about China and all the time. Whats in every house
@Bleeder599 building, mountain, stream, cave and so on as well on ships coming in but how much would I need to say there is gold in china? little. all i need is too see gold at one instant and i can say there is gold. same with God all i need is the creation. I thankyou for the question and that you were respectful. God bless.
@billywarren22 Well you are welcome, but I'm still a little confused, forgive me, I haven't had much exposure to religion throughout my life, but I'm a little confused, you say that all you need to see is creation, by which I presume you mean the world around us, but, given that the world around us is well explained by natural processes, where is there room for god to fit in?
@Bleeder599 There are natural processes but God is creator of nature and set those processes into motion. Kinda like the domino effect well someone had to set up the dominos. There is design in creation and when there is a design there is a designer. Its like you describing a painting in a way as to explain the colors and shadows but not giving the painter credit same with life people explain how lifr works but dont give the author of lifr credit. some rather believe they are goo the talks but
@billywarren22 Well, first of all, how do you know that any god set the laws of physics in motion? How do you know it was your specific god? The problem is that the world around us isn't like a painting, we understand the laws of physics well enough to know how the world around us formed naturally. One can't disprove that the laws of physics were set in motion by god, but there doesn't seem to be any empirical evidence to support that claim.
@Bleeder599 You used the word laws which is another word for rules or guideline or boundaries and all these things require a giver of the law or a rule maker or one to establish the guideline or boundaries. The creation and how it functions is proof of a creator jus as a car engine has parts that do their thing but show design. God set the stars in place and set the orbit of thr planets so he is the root cause of nature. I believe in Jesus for he died a traitors death a sinners death for me
@Bleeder599 though I deserve Gods wrath he died for me as it says while we were still sinners Christ died for us I hate religion but love truth and love Jesus.
@Bleeder599 i see more i see purpose and value i see the hand of God. Now with that being said Jesus is God who died on that cross to pay for our sins so we have a right relationship with God. If one repents of sin turns from it and follows him he will be forgiven and granted everlasting life. Thats truth not religion. Again I thank you for the respect and the questions. God bless.
@Bleeder599 Forget it bleeder- attempting to reason with Billy is the same as talking to a wall with 2+2=5 scribbled on it & trying to convince the wall that it's wrong. This whole thread is full of Billy justifying his true supreme religion not with proof or logic, but his own bible & god-did-it logic. I've pointed out so many flaws in his reasoning & arguments but its been all for naught. Except maybe as an illustration to others how religoin can brainwash you so completely.
@billywarren22 Yeah, poor god, couldn't have put anything in the 10 Commandments like slavery is WRONG. He just had to accommodate all those humans. LOL. Funny how you put all these limits on supposedly powerful being. Its almost like its just all made up. Which I have to believe since you haven't provided any proof. Saying things like god is god or god's light isn't proof. Its empty religious rhetoric. We can't comprehend god, but you can & know what he wants & thinks.So arrogant
@utubepunk i know Gods thought due to the word and God has no limits he may allow certain things to happen but not due to limits we are limited we are flawed but he is perfect. God hated slavery but worked with a culture to show its need for a saviour just as you and I do. The ten commandments are the basic law the holy spirit reaveals the rest. I cant fully comprehend the mind of God but his word helps and then can let go and let God. Now lets not waste anymore of each other time.
@billywarren22 But the word of god is a flawed document, edited for content & mistranslated through the ages. Again, leaving such an important task to mere insects is not a perfect revelation. God hated slavery, yet had great rules about how you could beat slaves as long as they didn't lose a tooth or eye. The word you use to know the mind of god is flawed as there are a million interpretations of it! Instead of one unified religion, there are thousands w their own interps! FAIL!
@utubepunk Yes there are thousands of religions but one truth and God allowed man to show his fallen nature in the word to show how depraved we are and yes there are many translations but simply transalted into modern english they are translations of the origianl manuscripts and again God can choose any means he wishes. You just cant stand that can you that he doesnt run his ideas by you. Oh well. Look God allows flaws of man in his word as well as his perfection to show how far we have fallen.
@billywarren22 Sigh. No Billy- your truth. I can't stand ppl like you who don't think for themselves. If god wanted your religion to be the true one, he's done a terrible job becuz there are 1000s of religion- many growing faster than your religion. And like you,they believe in their one truth. Religion divides us & turns us on one another & against science & reason. Flaws of man, hmm? Odd as we're created in his image. Interpretation- god is as flawed as us.
@utubepunk Yes religion devides not truth and those other religions are growing due to the fact they award no true accountability they teach that you can earn forgiveness that if youre more good than bad then you should be fine.I do think for myself and i realized that I am a sinner for God didnt force himself on me i accepted him by my own free will and yes i now hold all though captive in Christ. God is not flawd we are we made religion to ease our conscience God sent the truth to bring us
@billywarren22 Slaves don't have free will. Religions grow because they award no true accountability? No, that's what you want to believe to justify your religion's superiority. But that isn't why. Truth fulfills & that's why I care about what's true & can be proven. Funny that I & others bring up tough questions & you're not willing to discuss or debate, always close minded & leaving. Do my questions & points make u uncomfortable? I thought you could do all thing
It is amazing how natural processes can create everything! :D
LifeIsABigPuzzle 17 hours ago
We're all creation of Big Thought!
"Forty two??!!"
maujo2009 1 day ago
"lets assert that some kind of space time quantum foam sort of something existed before our universe began..." and they say it takes blind faith to believe in God?
jerlstif 2 days ago
@jerlstif Amen. Its funny the first law of thermo dynamics states the energy cant be created or destroyed. Hmmm. Doesnt that sound like another description of God?
billywarren22 1 day ago
umad, religionfags?
R3Cat 2 days ago
Scientific FACT.... The Universe created man and man created God, If man ceased to exist... so would God... And the Universe continues....
Thanks for all the fish!
YouNewb100 2 days ago
omg i love science.
LittleCell09 2 days ago
ahh creationists , your religion is going to vanish
Atheist961 3 days ago 6
@Atheist961 Good luck . . . you lebanese fuck
TheSouthernPsycho 2 days ago
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HyperGolem 3 days ago
Everything is possible.
Does this mean that impossibility is possible?
HyperGolem 3 days ago
What the fuck is a plank, what's quantum, what's this and that, how's this video so poorly explained? Popularized science my ass.
Ficehdulah 4 days ago
@Ficehdulah This video assumes you know the basics
geganobo 3 days ago 2
I'm so bummed I don't understand this at the moment.
huyked 4 days ago
It's possible because if nothing existed then there's no laws of physics nor any rules to say that anything is impossible. Therefore anything is possible.
deanmullen10 4 days ago
the talking snake story is much better explanation. lol.
princerexor 4 days ago
I made breakfast this morning out of nothing.
4u250ut 6 days ago
I honestly didn't think that any rational people, would believe that the universe came out of NOTHING... To me, it is the most illogical idea I've ever heard...
asonesson 6 days ago
@asonesson .... i pity you for having such a narrow thinking brain. The universe has always existed... does that bother you, yes it probably does. If it does your brain is not smart enough to understand it. I don´t even understand it fully, but i can look the evidence and see that the universe has always existed.
Ipowne3g 6 days ago
@Ipowne3g I'm not saying its wrong (actually I think it is), but I think that it is the most illogical way that the universe came into existence, considering the alternatives.
What evidence?
asonesson 5 days ago
Saying that everything created out of nothing is forgetting that it gets even smaller =P
There is no form of "Nothing" within the limits of existence,If there was then there would be Dead spots that cannot interact with anything at all,places that can't hold anything,can't be held by anything,can't affect anything and are unaffected by anything.
If a "nothing" would have been within the limits of existence,it would be in an unrelated dimension,for it can't interact with the universe by any means
Wharwulif 6 days ago
If you are a truth seeker, search "Truth Contest" in Google and click on the 1st result, then open The Present and read what it says. Everyone needs to see this. The Present will turn this world right-side up if it reaches enough people.
23rock3 6 days ago
@23rock3 anyone can confirm it's not a spamming/virus thing?
Also,the truth is simple-Everything.
Wharwulif 6 days ago
does this mean that there are other multiverses being created from the initial fraction of a gram?
therealjordiano 6 days ago
"My BS detector says This is crap".
kdc43 1 week ago
Oh, sin equals 1, but pi equals 3.14, plank just trued everything up and went with calculus integration of all variables so that metric went with english. However, every ring field of primes can go to infinity making all scales of infinity going to zero creating infinite calculuses. So, perhaps you have 5 gravitational balls, you can eventually break a contemporary singular calculus, plus you gets all the new equations.
ftlqed 1 week ago
uhh so where did the foamy stuff come from?
buggyiscool 1 week ago
Now back to my point.. scientists who believes in god are basically those who can't answer the ever rhetorical questions that bombards them no matter how much of a "truth" they discovered. Say... who/what/why/how provides such an enormous amount of energy to such a tiny speckle of mass? Why/how does the speckle of mass exist in the first place? Even if they could answer that, there is an infinite loop of unanswerable questions.
hardc0r3gam3r 1 week ago
@hardc0r3gam3r Which is why it's silly to answer it with that 3 letter word "God".
1123joey 1 week ago
@hardc0r3gam3r You know, sum everything in the universe, and you get zero. So it's entirely possible to create the entire universe out of nothing.
Helge129 1 week ago
For those who argue whether science or god should triumph. I have one simple answer to that, none shall win. Do u know why there are scientists who believes in god? Do note that believing in god does not necessary refers to the bible, Quran, or whatever crap which is written by the human hand. God may simply refers to an imaginary entity which is beyond the human's mind to fully understand. It is a form of mechanism in our mind to escape from the unknown.
hardc0r3gam3r 1 week ago
@hardc0r3gam3r The bible was inspired by the Holy spirit though yes penned by man it was inspired by holy spirit.
billywarren22 6 days ago
@billywarren22 Was the holy spirit too busy to write the bible? It had to use a flawed creature with different languages, dialects, customs like oral tradition (originally since most of the story tellers were illiterate) to write the bible. By default, man goes to hell. Why even bother leaving such a vital task as your own bible to a creation you found so revolting you flooded the earth & send to hell? And everybody has a different interpretation. Well planned- makes perfect sense
utubepunk 4 days ago
@utubepunk God can use any means to reveal himself the fact that he chose to reveal the word in this manner was a way to draw man close to him. Again doesnt need your approval on how to be God. Hes revealtion is perfect and to give it to man is to reaveal the way for man to be made right with God. All your doing is hating God and saying its his fault no youre responsible for you. Now why dont we agree to disagree ot is that too hard a concept.
billywarren22 4 days ago
@billywarren22 sigh. Billy, your answers need to make sense to be convincing. Ur god revealed himself in a flawed manner as is evident by all the non-believers & other religions throughout the world. When were the scrolls even discovered? What a perfect revelation! This is not the action of a perfect being! Pointing out obvious inconsistencies is not hating your god. You use that hate god excuse because you know it doesn't make sense. Ur cognitive dissonance is too hard a concept.
utubepunk 4 days ago
I want to make a billion dollars out of nothing. Oh wait US banks do that.
keyto808 1 week ago 18
Universe was made out of Dark matter that was produced by god and then it built an earth in center of the galaxy and all other galaxies and then it slowly moved to where it is today. That's the only true.
Pr3fixProducts 1 week ago
@Pr3fixProducts You're either not serious, or you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Just another arrogant ignorant religious robot. Not new.
CrimeBeatsMusic 1 week ago
@CrimeBeatsMusic Bazinga! Got ya, another of my classical jokes.
Pr3fixProducts 1 week ago
@CrimeBeatsMusic Also I like how clueless you are and how you poorly support your arguments and yet you call other people arrogant and ignorant. It's not other people that is ignorant and arrogant, it is you.
Pr3fixProducts 1 week ago
@Pr3fixProducts Lol... for a moment I thought you were serious :)
CrimeBeatsMusic 1 week ago
What's worse: the Universe was 'created' out of nothing... OR the alleged Creator was created out of 'nothing'???
2001Horatio 1 week ago
@2001Horatio The universe has always existed, saying that it has been "created" out of nothing is wrong and no respectable physicist would ever say that.
Ipowne3g 6 days ago
@Ipowne3g No the universe hasnt always existed it is expanded meaning it had starting point where it was birthed if you will. Evolutionary biologist say that the universe is about 13 trillion years old. If you age something that giving the time of its existance meaning at one point it didnt exist. One the other point studies show that about 88% of people beleive in God not a higher power. I was wrong on the number. Asit says in Romans God has proven that he is in the creation.
billywarren22 6 days ago
@billywarren22
Well, Billy - everything in the universe was present in the singularity that suddenly began expanding. Including spacetime. The big bang theory says NOTHING about how that singularity came to be, we just don't know. It MAY have existed forever, but since time itself is a part of out expanding universe, there is no point in discussing 'before' the big bang, as our time didn't exist. And no no no no, evolutionary biologists say absolutely NOTHING about the big bang.
tdjdk 5 days ago
@tdjdk The first law of thermodynamic states that energy cant be created or destroyed so its eternal. Could that eternal energy be that of God? Heres the point you admit that you dont know but yet say it cant be God. The big bang could it have been God saying let there be light? Time had a beginning for see without time nothing(other than God for he is outside of time being spirit) in the realm of existance or well exist. So that singularity couldnt be without time and space to exist. So in a wa
billywarren22 5 days ago
@tdjdk in a way youre posing the question of what came first the time or the universe? If no time/space both go hand and hand then no singularity. See truth is its simple in the beginning God. I know you think too simple but the simpliest answer usually is the right one. God bless.
billywarren22 5 days ago
@billywarren22 .... WHAT!!!!! you are the stupidest person on this part of the galaxy.... Biologists have nothing to do with the age of the universe, Scientists say and can prove that the universe is 13.7 BILLION not Trillion years old. And if 88% of the population of the earth were to believe in GOD then that would mean that 88% of the world population were either Christians, Muslims or Jews.... which is no true!! There are nearly a Billion Hindus in the World, They do not believe in your GOD!-
Ipowne3g 4 days ago
@Ipowne3g There are some now who say that universe could be 13 trillion years old but either way when you age something thats the time it has existed so at one point it didnt. So the universe had a cause(God) and the universe could be that old doesnt prove no God and they know that they cant disprove God. I never said that the 88% believed in Christ just in God or a god but there is but one and I must preach his name. God bless and farewell.
billywarren22 4 days ago
@billywarren22 What the fuck are you talking about... the universe has an infinite age and the time that has past since the big bang is 13.8 billion years, NOT TRILLION! And no the universe does not need a creator, if you had been up to date with current science you would have known this! The universe has always existed and had no beginning, it needs no triggering cause , does this bother you... i can imagine it does, the human brain is not good enough to understand this, only a few ---
Ipowne3g 4 days ago
@Ipowne3g No the universe had a clear beginning the only eternal thing is energy which is that of God. First law of thermodynamics. I hate religion but love Jesus he is my King. BTW No need for vile language use smart words.
billywarren22 4 days ago
@billywarren22 The universe had no beginning, THAT HAS BEEN PROVEN! the time that has past since the big bang is 13.8 billion years. Before the Big bang there was no time so the universe had been existing for an infinite time. Just because your brain can´t cope with the thought of a effect without a cause it does not make it true, things are true because you can prove it. This has been proven, accept it or perish along with your brainwashed cult. This conversation is over!
Ipowne3g 3 days ago
@Ipowne3g Dude with all due respect that is absurd for in your view if no time how can anything exist for space and time go hand in hand if no time than no space and no space no universe and you cant prove that no way anyone could its a lame theory to try to take God out of the equation and place almighty man on high. Yeah this conversation is over and I wish you all the best and God bless.
billywarren22 3 days ago
@billywarren22 Then why not call it ENERGY instead of GOD?
maujo2009 1 day ago
@maujo2009 I could reverse that on you why not it God and not energy? What I was pointing out was since this energy is eternal and God is eternal could it be the energy is in fact the(spirit) energy of God himself? Just a thought. God bless.
billywarren22 1 day ago
@billywarren22 Then you would have to define God to me. Because if God is that that transforms from one form to another and is always conserved, then I would conclude that that is energy, not God. Not even just energy: mass, electrical charge, etc, all fit into the same category, don't you think?
maujo2009 19 hours ago
@maujo2009 God is spirit. He is upove nature he controls nature his might can be seen in everything. He is the eternal one. You see the works of his hands in creation. When a lightning bolt flashes Gods might can be seen and felt. Truth is God is too vast to be described in our limited language he is just awesome. God can transform just has he did inot the form of a dove or when he took on flesh in Jesus. God bless.
billywarren22 14 hours ago
@billywarren22 Why does Jesus have different lineages in the NT if your bible is divinely inspired? Inaccuracies & inconsistencies means its NOT a perfect revelation as you claim. God is now a transformer? Sweet.Too bad he's a Decepticon! So why is it okay for god to do immoral things by his own definition? That makes him a hypocrite. Do you believe people are magically strong because they have long hair? Do you lack the faith to move mountains? Our whole race created by incest?
utubepunk 14 hours ago
@billywarren22 --- of us has the brain capacity to understand this, i´m sorry if you have an insufficient brain and cannot understand this, so why don´t you just live in your little bubble of belief without proof and let Atheism rise and kill religion.. Huh, cuz it will and one day your kids will grow up and be taught about real science and none of that creationist bullshit! grow up and kill your imaginary friend.
Ipowne3g 4 days ago
@billywarren22 I don´t rely think that you understand what the word God means. When you say God you are referring to the Christian, Muslim and Jewish god not The old Nordic gods Thor and Freja, you are not referring to a Hindu God since God is not in Plural. Buddhists does not believe in God, Hindus have thousands of Gods and the few whom still worship Thor does not believe in ... GOD!
Ipowne3g 4 days ago
@Ipowne3g yeah many man mad gods but one true living God. God is still God whether you like it or not so we will have to agree to disagree and leave it at that. God bless.
billywarren22 4 days ago
@billywarren22 HAHAH :D You have no proof, What makes the Christian god soooooooooooo special..........NOTHING, for all we know Thor could be the one true god, so .... i guess i have to say.. Fuck you.
Ipowne3g 4 days ago 10
@Ipowne3g Creation is the proof What makes my God the one true God he died for my sins no other"god" ever would cuz well they dont exist. YHWH does. God bless and farewell.
billywarren22 1 day ago
@billywarren22 How is creation proof when you can't even prove any of your religious claims to be true? I thought Jesus died for your sins? So do you worship jesus or god? I thought you're only supposed to worship 1 god? No other god before god, right? Go talk to a physicist about your thermal dynamics claim if you truly want to be educated instead of parroting the same thing over & over. You claim to think for yourself but then believe unproven things. Evidence please.
utubepunk 18 hours ago
@utubepunk Jesus is God. HE said I and the father are one. When God said let us create man in our image he was hinting at the trinity. Father son holy spirit Funny you cant prove God doesnt exist and you know that science can never disprove God.
billywarren22 15 hours ago
@billywarren22 So Jesus prays to himself? He sacrificed himself to himself? So you're telling me god can die? God sits at the right hand of himself? Don't make sense! It doesn't count as a sacrifice if he comes back to life. Our image? Does the scripture say Jesus or you just interpreting it as the trinity which wasn't even a concept until MUCH later. I don't have to prove god doesn't exist- we have evidence of how the universe & mankind came to be. Burden of proof remains on you.
utubepunk 14 hours ago
@billywarren22 Well first of all you have no proof of creation, second how do you know that the Christian god is the one true god, how can you say that the others don´t exist, please give me some proof and not just your petty beliefs.
Ipowne3g 7 hours ago
@billywarren22 --- then you have nearly 300 million Buddhists whom do not believe in GOD! Why don´t you actually do some real investigation and look up some real numbers, your fucking Creationist pages are wrong and are trying to create their own world view. So until you can provide some actual proof SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE!!!!
Ipowne3g 4 days ago 2
@Ipowne3g That the Universe has 'always' existed is not 'known' - therefore, I agree with your second statement.
2001Horatio 5 days ago
Question: If a tiny fraction of a gram of matter can be created from nothing so easily, and then quickly escalate into an entire universe, then how is the universe not in a complete state of disorder? You can't just apply the Uncertainty Principle wherever it is convienient for you. This sort of creation event has to be able to occur at anytime and not just a time when the universe consisted of nothing but this mysterious 'quantum foam'. You havn't beaten Thomas Aquinus' logic yet.
WayneMcFadyen 1 week ago
@WayneMcFadyen The Universe will eventually be in a total form of disorder. The Universe has gone from a state of order to disorder. That's exactly how it works. I'm not sure of the reason behind why it doesn't just occur all the time, but I do no there IS a reason for that. Just not sure of it, so I won't be ignorant and just come up with an answer for it.
1123joey 1 week ago
@WayneMcFadyen Just to add to your argument. I think I have found the reason, this sort of "creation" does happen all the time, but because it is happening in an already created Universe and space, it doesn't inflate into another Universe, as it wouldn't work. This theory is sound, it all checks out. This is why I follow it.
1123joey 1 week ago
NO! a magic floating man in the sky made the universe, so what made this magic man then? nothing, like my agument he is the perfect circle lol.
000000000SAM00000000 1 week ago
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WOW! It's all just too easy [sarcasm]. Actually, it's all a bunch of bullshit, scientists don't have a clue why the universe is here.
Unimatrix5 2 weeks ago
Can something come from nothing? What is nothing? Some answers in "Nothing Matters - a book about nothing" (iff-Books)
1nothingmatters 2 weeks ago
Sounds like a game of pool gone awry.
psychomusicanana 3 weeks ago
"Quantum foam sort of something..."
Is this like the foam we get at the supermarket?
kc0itf 3 weeks ago
The narrator mentions "answers" or does he mean bias ideas? Lets be real people!
morrisdecat 3 weeks ago
Keep smokin' them dubies!
"Something from Nothing" is a distinct anti-quantum theory. You must have a pre-determining anticedent (a mind) to make something greater than what it already is. Time is only a residency --not a deciding factor or incentive.
You're speaking from a black hole.. sucking in worlds of thought without a hint of reciprocation.
"You will be as gods deciding what is right or wrong (& what life is)..." --a counter morality "morality".
microvantastic 3 weeks ago
@microvantastic An appeal to intuition won't convince a skeptic. You need evidence for your claims.
riahmatic 3 weeks ago
@riahmatic I have all the evidence I need. You need to come down from your high horse of thinking you have some sort of position in life..to "wag its tail". Humility is the best teacher, and in many ways..your only savior. An atheistic viewpoint is simply self-defeating: No self-discipline; No distinction; No affective cause; No significance; & ultimately..No form of benevolance.
One can't believe in the all-divine "Self" & expect to be taken seriously.--that's the "evidence" I percieve.
microvantastic 3 weeks ago
@microvantastic "An atheistic viewpoint is simply self-defeating: No self-discipline; No distinction; No affective cause; No significance; & ultimately..No form of benevolance." Self-discipline can be learned through experience and reason. For the others, I assume you are referring to objective properties. Why do you believe they are necessary? I see no contradiction in their absence. A humble mind realizes how elusive truth can be, and awaits good justification before believing.
riahmatic 3 weeks ago
This video has proof that God might exist,since if the universe today was created by something,what created that something?It goes on and on,and this might be proof that God does exist.But then,WHO created God,then?
kriegervonsasuke 3 weeks ago
@kriegervonsasuke God is spirit and not matter or flesh so he unlike us is not bound to the laws of this realm. He is above them but can enter into them as he did in the form of Christ.
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 Mmm,what I had said was something to ponder about,and it seems you got your answer.But,what you have replied does not help me find an answer to my question.If God created us,and God is spirit,then who created the spirit?Please enlighten me and forgive my ignorance,if you are offended.
kriegervonsasuke 2 weeks ago 3
@kriegervonsasuke God needs no creator he is devine. Look at this way there some scientist who say that energy is eternal well could it be the energy they are seeing is in fact God. They say that energy cant be created or detroyed that sounds like God to me. Im not offended its a good question and thank for your respectful approach.
billywarren22 2 weeks ago
@billywarren22 No, your argument is flawed. Energy is indeed scientifically eternal. But at the time of the Big Bang, the Universe created the same amount of negative energy as it did positive, meaning that it all adds up to 0. Leaving no room for a God to be energy. Think about this, you want to build a hill, so you start to dig and shovel it into a hill, you not only create a hill, but also a hole, that is the negative energy. Matter and Mass being positive and space itself being negative.
1123joey 1 week ago
@billywarren22 It's easy to not understand this, but it's ok if you don't. But Matter and Mass being the positive energy created in the Big Bang and all space itself being the negative energy. We also know that nothing can indeed randomly create stuff, we know this because we understand Quantum Mechanics. That added to the fact that "before the Big Bang" didn't exist, means there was no time for a God to create anything. You might say that God isn't bound to these, but where is your proof?
1123joey 1 week ago 2
@1123joey My friend I didnt say that I believe that energy isnt eternal Im saying that eternal energy is in fact God. He is timeless he wasnt created nor can he be destroyed and with respect if you can believe that nothing absolute nothing can create than you are believing fairytales. You need material and since nothing is just that nothing all you will get is nothing. your equation reads 0+0=1? Nothing with nothing created something? Yor hill analogy is flawed though yes I create a hill
billywarren22 1 week ago
@1123joey I started with the first hill. I didnt start with nothing I clearly didnt with nothing. BTW I meant your not yor my bad. Think about you believe that nothing that means not even energy can create and energy is required to create try to build that hill without energy even a machine uses enegy. Anyway I do thankyou for the respectful manner of your approach and I wasnt being rude I was trying to show that you stand on quicksand while I stand on the rock. God bless.
billywarren22 1 week ago
@billywarren22 With all due respect. Exactly what rock do you stand on? Religion and the idea of God stands on nothing, it stands on air. It has no evidence for its claims. It has nothing, literally nothing. You claim all day long but to claim it to be true, you need evidence and research. If you look at what has been gathered through Science, Quantum Mechanics, Quantum Physics, etc... You quickly see that there is no room for a God. To say, oh God did it, is lazy beyond belief. Think about it.
1123joey 1 week ago
@1123joey All the proof is right in front of you you can clearly see design. Even Dawkins admitted that there is evidence for a designer granted he says little green men but even he can see design. The problem is youre trying to box in this little box because you cant stand the idea of him but youre willing to believe that chance and unguided forces and even that nothing can somehow create. In your world view we are a cosmic accident with no ryhme or reason even Dawkins says that too
billywarren22 1 week ago
@billywarren22 No, see, let me make something very clear. My mind is more open than anyone could imagine. You need to understand this. You imply that it isn't open, when it is. Me understanding and accepting what I have just explained, is evidence for my open mindedness. You clearly can't see or won't accept these facts. Because they ARE scientific FACTS. If you can't see this then you're ignorant. I'm sorry, but you are. Again, none of that is evidence for intelligent design...
1123joey 1 week ago
@billywarren22 If you claim to understand the claims I just made in my previous comments, then you would be lying. Tell me straight, you don't understand it do you? No, you don't, I already know you don't. I can tell you why, because you're closed minded to the idea of something with NO cause. You know why? Because it didn't occur in any of the dimension's that we live, breathe, exist in and understand to a certain limit. Beyond our local dimension's, things start to not make sense...
1123joey 1 week ago
@1123joey and he even says that there is no right or wrong good or evil but pitiless indifference. It is not lazy to say God did it no its common sense you wouldnr look at a masterpiece and not give credit to the master but thats what youre doing when you look at the masterpiece of the universe. You rather see yourself as goo that talks than give credit to God. God is spirit and cant be explained by our limited knowledge and yeah our knoweledge is limited. Thomas Edison once said, We only know
billywarren22 1 week ago
@1123joey one tenth of one percent of anything" so in a nice way he was saying we are still dumb as they come. You see a fluke but truth is there is purpose you see chance when there is devine will. Gods fingerprint is all around. I stand on the rock of Gods spirit, truth and everlasting power. You stand on we came from soup. Look at DNA its called the blueprint of life well do blueprints write themselves? No a mind is required. In the end we will have to agree to disagree. God bless.
billywarren22 1 week ago
@billywarren22 NO! Blueprints DO write themselves? HOW could you deny that?!?! Honestly... You believe some crazy stuff... You need to do your research some time. You to be honest, you probably already have, but can't understand what the facts and evidence mean, even when someone is there to explain it to you. You need to open your mind. Let go of your limited thinking capabilities. You're wasting a good life that could be put to good and extraordinary things. It's sad really.
1123joey 1 week ago
@billywarren22 Saying that, looking at your profile... I give up. There is literally nothing I can say that would make you look at things differently. At the end of the day, the burden of proof lies with the one who makes the claims. This is you, with the claims of a God, with no proof. Taking evidence that lies in the favour of something else, is not proof on Gods behalf. You need evidence and proof FOR God. There is none, and there for, there is no scientific reason for one to believe.
1123joey 1 week ago
@1123joey yoy just said that we live in just three dimensions so if that were true how do know that the knowledge in those "other dimensions" there isnt evidnence of God. Aagin what you want is God to stand in front of you and say here I am but God isnt your servent he is God and as it says in Romans creation is proof of a creator so you are without excuse. Since you cant put God under microscope it cant be real. God is spirit or in your terms he is that higher dimensional being you cant touch.
billywarren22 1 week ago
@billywarren22 And because you believe that he is that higher dimensional being you can't touch, see, hear or feel in whatever other manner, he is not real. You just said it yourself. Thank you. It is on record. But in all seriousness, because of this, where is the scientific reason to believe in a God? It does no good for us, it doesn't help us personally, it might help you personally, but nothing something else couldn't take place for. Btw... the bible or any other book is not proof...
1123joey 1 week ago
@billywarren22 The bible is a book that was created 2000 years ago, written by primitive human beings with primitive thought. It's surprising that it has actually lasted this long. I have already given you the reason why you and many others still believe it, because it gives you a cause for everything. The human mind can't and still can't really comprehend an existence without a cause. Think a little, use that brain of yours. Have you read the bible? If you have, you'd know it makes no sense.
1123joey 1 week ago
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1123joey 1 week ago
@1123joey What I meant by cant touch is you cant fully comprehnd God so in your mind if you cant put God in a nice little box then he cant be real but scripture says do not lean on your own understanding. God is saying dont trust your limited knowledge alone but in all your ways trust God. I hate religion but I love God. I am a sinner and no amount of religion will right me with God only the blood of Christ can cleanse my filthy heart. I have though of these things and have realized
billywarren22 1 week ago
@billywarren22 You need to come into the 21st century then. You're stuck in the dark ages, believe that God did all this, that's the most basic answer anyone could have given. Explain the unexplainable with the 3 letter word, God. It's childish. Anyway, like I said before, you need to open you're mind to new things. God isn't the answer to anything, science is, you're using science right now, without it we couldn't be where we are today, but because humans are naturally curious, we are...
1123joey 1 week ago
@1123joey that you are talking about complex things that not evne the brightest minds can full understand and yet you still say No God. Faith jujst means srong belief so you too live by faith we all do it depends in what. Its funny you used the word claims and thats all you say we have but thats all you have for no mere human was there at the beginning so they really cant say No God. God is truth not religion. As I said earlier we will have to agree to disagree you see fluke I clealry see God.
billywarren22 1 week ago
@billywarren22 Claims that are right. Hey you're right. No humans were there, But I'll tell you what was there, the particles and matter that is all around us was there when the Big Bang happened, and because of that, we can study it with deadly accuracy. The truth is, you're wrong, and because you have 2 things that mix perfectly with believers, 1 is faith and 2 is the fact that you can't come to terms with something that didn't have a cause. That is the ultimate God delusion. Enjoy your life.
1123joey 1 week ago
@1123joey In closing I find it funny that you said earlier that you believe that nothing can create ans you say that im deluded.Science just means knowledge thats all How were those particles created how did they come into being. First law of thermodynamic states that energy cannot be created or destroyed. Could that enegy be that of God? Just a thought. Your universe violates causality the universe must have a cause. In the beiginning God. as I said we will have to agree to disagree. Farewell
billywarren22 1 week ago
@billywarren22 No... not farewell. Clearly... You still can't understand Quantum Mechanics. At the Quantum scale NOTHING can create SOMETHING. Using the term God as a gap filler is pathetic, by all means, at least use something more worthy. You sir have no IDEA what you are talking about. You come here with your big claims but can't back them up, all you can do is attack mine. Yet you can't disprove them, you know why? Because they are fact, whether you like it not, NOTHING can CREATE something.
1123joey 1 week ago
@billywarren22 This NOTHING is literally NOTHING. This is another dimension. We have NO IDEA how it works. But we KNOW that NOTHING can CREATE something. I'm using caps so that you can see that I'm outlining the FACTS. Whether you like the idea or not, the idea of God does no longer fit in with modern day Science and Quantum Physics and Mechanics. Now go look for a better argument.
1123joey 1 week ago
@1123joey Wow thats your idea of nothing my friend another dimension would be something not nothing. So you can believe that a nothing can create but not God. I dont have to disprove your stand youre doing just fine yourself. How can a nothing have a dimension its NOTHING. No matter, enegy mass, nothing. Thankyou I needed a good laugh. No further will I talk to you. Goodbye.
billywarren22 1 week ago
@billywarren22 Jesus fucking christ... not nothing with dimension in it. Another fucking dimension with NOTHING in it at the time of the big bang of course. You seize to amaze me with your stupidity... You're clearly dumber than you look, can't exactly read through the lines can you.
1123joey 1 week ago
@billywarren22 Do you still need me to outline it further? "This is another dimension" See, what I'm outlining here... is the fact that I'm not talking about the three dimensions we live in. Do you finally under fucking stand now?
1123joey 1 week ago
@1123joey Whoa no need for vile language use smart words not dumb ones. Like I said earlier in order to make your hill i needed something the first hill and you can even include the shovel and wait me and the energy to work. Does nothing require space? No its nothing. Again nothing cant create and as the first law thermodynamics says energy can neither be created or destroyed so it is eternal. Do you suppose that could be God. Even a dimension is a something its place a realm so your logic
billywarren22 1 week ago
@billywarren22 Wow, you have no understanding of what I'm saying. No understanding of what any of this means. The fact that energy adds to 0 means it DOES NOT BREAK the first law of thermodynamic's... As for the vile language, I think it's necessary for it's use, seen as though you can't comprehend any of this. Primitive thought, it's pathetic to see.
1123joey 1 week ago
@1123joey Oh yeah in your world view do you believe in absolute right or wrong? In your world there is no good or evil right or wrong. So you could not say rape is absolutley wrong but with God you can. If you want to talk to a chimp go to your logal zoo but if to human then ok. Your nothing belief cuz you cant prove that its just theory is like me saying I drove my car hit nothing and wrecked. Well it seems that we have reached an impass. Farewell and Godbless.
billywarren22 1 week ago
@billywarren22 Honestly, you need help. How could anyone believe in absolute right or wrong? That's retarded. Wtf are you actually on about? Good and Evil exists everywhere, it exists because we as human beings understand it, not because some delusional twats 2000 years ago wrote it down in a book. Just honestly, this is like talking with a chimp. It's as if I'm at the zoo. I think you'll find that in modern Science, Theory means FACT. So honestly... just take your God and go waste your life.
1123joey 1 week ago
@1123joey So how can you call something evil when there is no standard of good whose toy say that if youre mugged and robbed that the mugger sees it as good. There have been cultures who saw being cannibal a good thing. Is it? No. In the animal Kingdom we see thngs that in humans we would call evil but in them in them its nature but you say we are just animals so when we do something like that its just nature. Now Im done you can have the last word here for God will have the last word period.
billywarren22 1 week ago
@billywarren22 Lol, you make no sense to me. You make no sense any one that thinks logically. You just don't make sense period.
1123joey 1 week ago 10
@1123joey No use, Joey. Billy is a blind believer. Funny how his types tell us we can't understand, grasp or comprehend god, but they know everything about what god wants & thinks. You point out their logical fallacies & they ignore you, play obtuse or do the bait & switch & change the topic. They blast the evils of science while trying to use thermodynamics to make a case for their god. This is how religion twists their minds.
utubepunk 1 week ago
@billywarren22 You say, that rape is absolutely wrong... OK i agree. BUT WAIT! Your book propagates rape! Deuteronomy 22:28-29: "If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." Oh the hypocrisy you Christians speak of, when you don't even know your own book. Stupid.
DarknesSoldier 1 week ago
@DarknesSoldier Nice try nut no. Read it again its says the the man must pay the wife price and he MUST MUST marry her and he can NEVER divorce her. Now there was another penalty though unwritten was viable the man could be out to death. These books were given to the hebrew while they wandered in the wilderness. So clearly they wouldnt have a prison to throw him in so either death or spare his life and make him honor her as wife and be given a second chance. So no God doesnt promote rape he
billywarren22 1 week ago
@billywarren22 Yeah- being forced to marry your rapist. Another awesome gem from your religion. So all a guy has to do is rape a rich women & then he would marry her and have all her money. LOL. You actually think a raped woman WANTS to marry her rapist? Only religion can twist you into believing such crap. And we have evidence that galaxies are unstable. So much design? Not. Even if it was designed, it could be ANY god. Again, please provide concrete evidence or depart.
utubepunk 1 week ago
@utubepunk One there may be unstable galaxies but its simple to explain thats due to the fall of man which introduced corruption and scared Gods creation. As God said to Adam and Eve If you eat of thr tree that I have forbidden you will surely die. Now he didnt mean they would die a physical death at the instant but that their life as they knew would die. Sin introduced corruption to the creation. So yes there may ne unstable galaxies but thats due to sin. Also that is Hebrew culture and did you
billywarren22 1 week ago
@billywarren22 LOL. So simple to explain unstable galaxies. Then use science to prove it- not a fairy tale. Bible does say there life would be over, but they live what, another 600+ years? Your god introduced sin into creation. He also introduced satan if you believe in the bible. I thought your god hardened other ppl's heart (so much for free will then, eh). I explained to you- ppl ask you all these questions & you run away to a diff thread to post the same tired, unproven myths
utubepunk 1 week ago
@utubepunk The bible says not to trust your heart Jer 17:9 o maybe God was helping clear their minds of Clutter. Look at disease and famine and wars all are result of Adams choice through one man( Adam) Sin was introduced. You do still have free will its in your mind you decide not the heart and sometimes our emotions get the better of us so God can help with that sometimes his choice not yours. I dont run I dont run like I said I cant convince you thats your choice all I can do is preach.
billywarren22 1 week ago
@utubepunk So I shall. I do believe you are trying to convine yourself as scripture says all know there is a God but deny him for the love of sin. Now I will leave you and this time not responde. You may have the last word here but God will have the last word in eternity. God bless.
billywarren22 1 week ago
@utubepunk read where I said the man would stand before the Father to be judged. There the father could decide can this man be redeemed or no. He could be put to death as well. There is plenty of design in creation look at your DNA its the building block or blueprint of life. Science has also be corrupted by the enemy and you have allowed your heart to be so hardened that you cant see the truth right in front of your face. Now as I said if you dont believe why keep knawing on that bone?
billywarren22 1 week ago
@utubepunk Why keep knocking at Gods door? Now I am an american and can respond to any video I chhose as do you but on this matter I have said lets agree to disagree. You say we God people cant prove God but you cant disprove hom either and you know it. Science may show how life has its being but it cant explain how it came into being so what do some do just guess. Every evolutionary biologist will eventually say we dont know for sure at least those who are willing to be honest. Now as the
billywarren22 1 week ago
@utubepunk saying goes you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink so I have done I have shown you the lifespring its your choice to drink or no. I see too much design for this whole thing to be a fluke too much purpose too much forthought so I will leave at that not to run awa but to help you save some honor for youre just like an annoying kid. So if youre an adult lets agree to disagree. I cant convince you thats impossible only you can decide. So if you dont want God then move
billywarren22 1 week ago
@billywarren22 Translation- everyone in this thread made points I can refute w/ evidence, so I'm leaving to another thread. I like how you don't answer the questions that prove you wrong by will spam me with 4 replies that are nothing but your cherry-picked bible verses. All you leave is with is your "I'll be right in the end' threats & taunts. You're calling me a kid? You want science to prove god w/ thermodynamics (it doesnt) but poo-poo evolution? Can't have it both ways, kid.
utubepunk 1 week ago
@utubepunk The first law states in a nut shell that energy is eternal so why cant that be the very energy of God? No threat I can do nothing to you but pray for you science does show design though you deny it. Now I dont have to waste time refuting you for theres plenty pf proof of God. I have answered you the universe is the proof. Like I said science may be able to deescribe the universe but they cant explain how it came to be no matter what they may say in the end its their quess.
billywarren22 1 week ago
@utubepunk like i said i see too much design and value and order in the universe for the fluke accident. So again I say lets agree to disagree for Im not running I think youre not as convinced of your belief as you think so thats why you keep knocking on Gods door. Hey God will draw then to him maybe youre feeling God tugging at your heart so final words you say I cant prove God so in that argument the opposite is true as well that you cant disprove him either. All I need is the fact
billywarren22 1 week ago
@billywarren22 To keep repeating "god did it" is not an argument or proof. Maybe it worked in elementary school, but not in the adult world. Me calling out your logical failings is not me knocking on god's door. U tell yourself that to make yourself feel better. Again claiming omniscience is very arrogant, Billy. The problem w/ your argument is if your god did it, so can anyone else's god. Good thing mankind strives to find the truth through science & not ancient dogmatic texts
utubepunk 1 week ago
@utubepunk You know whats funny is that about 70% of people say that they believe in God. There is but one God not allah, buddah, muhammad or any other but the true living God. Thats me being bold not arrogant. Again scinece can not explain how life began but only how it may work. Since the concept of God scares them that have decided to deny him just as scripture says they glorify him not as God. In atheism there is no absolute right or wrong just pitiless indifference as Richard Dawkins
billywarren22 1 week ago
@billywarren22 People believe Elvis lives, too- doesn't make it true. Again, more supernatural claims without proof. Proclaiming belief in your religion isn't bold- its arrogant when you claim your religion is the only true one. Concept of god scares scientist? You make up so much crap. You have no logical failings? LOL. I've lost count of the number of times that me & others have pointed all of them out. Your religion has turned you in ostrich- bury your head & ignore reality.
utubepunk 1 week ago
@utubepunk Elvis may be alive he may faked his death in order to have a normal life he was addicted to drugs extremley over weight so he may faked his death. Jesus himself said I am the way the truth the life and no one comes to the father but by me. Jesus said it first. You havent shown and failings not one you have picked scriptures that on their own yeah seem harsh but dont read the rest or deny the context. You look at God and say how dare you God violate almighty man. God is King not you
billywarren22 1 week ago
@billywarren22 LOL- Jesus said it first! More kindergarten-esque childish arguments. Actually no, there were many other messiahs in time of Jesus & before. I think Jesus killed them so he would become more popular. Hence all those missing years. Your bible is full of hatred & harsh scriptures- and I have read it. Context is just an excuse xtians use to excuse god's cruelty. BTW, your god says no other god before me, but have to go through Jebus. Yet more contradictions.
utubepunk 1 week ago
@utubepunk Jesus is God so no contradiction and Buddah may have taught peace but he couldnt abd dint die for your sins. Sins seperates us from God for the price of Heaven is perfection. You only see God as harsh bececuse you love sin thats the problem God is Holy.
billywarren22 6 days ago
@billywarren22 Jesus is god? So he prayed to himself? I thought Jebus was a man. But we need Jesus to get to god who is Jesus. He sacrificed himself to himself? Your religion makes NO sense. I see your god as harsh because he's ok with human sacrifice, slavery, sexism, genocide, etc. All those things are NOT holy. Ur the perfect example of someone suffering from cognitive dissonance. You say all these unprovable things and call them the opposite of what they are. Ur brainwashed!
utubepunk 5 days ago
@utubepunk One Jesus is God who better to show us how to relate to God than God himself. He was fully God and full man. As scripture said do not lean on your own understanding. God does not condone slavery. Slavery being the custom of that time God worked with the broken pieces of this world. Sexism read Prov 31 :10 a womans worth is far above rubies. So a woman is to be treasured. God can put anyone to death just as we do a murderer on death row. God doenst like human sacrafice but yes used it
billywarren22 5 days ago
@billywarren22 Not rely on your own understanding? Course it says that- anyone smarter than an illiterate herder wound find all this unbelievable.Fully god & fully man? Doesn't make sense. Can something be fully squirrel & fully apple? Dumb, right? Poor god, shackled to the customs of the time (slavery). Not so omnipotent! Women in bible for concubines, property (10 commandments) & NT says women be silent & not have authority over man. Xtian Jehovah Witnesses say Jesus is not god.
utubepunk 5 days ago
@utubepunk One Jehova witnesses are not christian that have a false Jesus.Jesus himself said he you has seen me has seen the father and I and the father are one. Those times were harsh but God works with broken cultures to lead out of that despair for the fall caused the abuse of women not God Yes women shouldnt have to have authoruty over a man if that man were a honorable a man should led with dignity and integrity. When it says silent it doesnt mean they cant speak it just mean not to be a
billywarren22 5 days ago
@utubepunk a busy body to have self control. Again reading too much into Gods word. God isnt shakled to anything we are God never promised to intervene on everything God is still on his throne you just cant stand that you hate God and love your sin as scripture says man loves the darkness and hate the light(Gods light) for in that darkness you can have your sin but in Gods light it will expose you for what you are a sinner just as God did with my porn addiction. In eph 5 men are to love their
billywarren22 5 days ago
@billywarren22 How is God light? He created the light. So what was there before the light? Oh yeah that's right God was there before the light. Therefore God is darkness and nothingness. Even a child can understand that logic.
moqutpar 4 days ago
@moqutpar Gods light is different than the light of the sun hes light is his pure holiness and perfection. Yes darkness as in no sun was there but as scripture says the spirit of God hovered over the deep so his light of hos spirit shinned through. Godbless and farewell.
billywarren22 4 days ago
@billywarren22 you talk total bullcrap! get with the times mate, not the bible times!! as we evolve we understand things better and "god" does not exsist!
MrPendulumEffect 4 days ago
@MrPendulumEffect od is still God in this time as he was in the time of old and in order for you to make the claim there is no God you would need absolute knowledge do you have absolute knowledge? Now you say smae goes for you but no all i need is to look at creation and i see the masters hands. No evolutionary bologist can ever say that 100% there is no God for they know that they cant prove that. Truth is you dont want God because you love sin. God is real I know he touched my life.
billywarren22 4 days ago
@billywarren22 I'm sorry, could you further clarify why an atheist needs to be able to prove 100% that god doesn't exist, but a theist can just point out a window at whatever is outside to prove that God does exist? Cos if that's not a double standard, then I don't know what is
Bleeder599 4 days ago
@Bleeder599 As David said as I behold the works of your hands I ask what is man that you are mindful of him. All he had was the night sky over head in the fields he didnt need the whole unverse to see God. Atheist however would need to know all that has happened from the beiginning to now and they dont they have theories or speculations they would have to see every inch of the universe pretty hard to do since its expanding in order to gather enough knowledge to make the claim no God but if
billywarren22 4 days ago
@Bleeder599 they could then perhaps they would than see the handiwork of God but since they cant their claim remains that a claim even some admit they can not say there is no God 100%. Now a theist all he needs is the birds of the sky fish of the sea and even the wind on his face. Their claim is greater and requires absolute knowlege. how much knowledge of China would I need to claim no gold in china? Absolute. I would have to know everything about China and all the time. Whats in every house
billywarren22 4 days ago
@Bleeder599 building, mountain, stream, cave and so on as well on ships coming in but how much would I need to say there is gold in china? little. all i need is too see gold at one instant and i can say there is gold. same with God all i need is the creation. I thankyou for the question and that you were respectful. God bless.
billywarren22 4 days ago
@billywarren22 Well you are welcome, but I'm still a little confused, forgive me, I haven't had much exposure to religion throughout my life, but I'm a little confused, you say that all you need to see is creation, by which I presume you mean the world around us, but, given that the world around us is well explained by natural processes, where is there room for god to fit in?
Bleeder599 4 days ago
@Bleeder599 There are natural processes but God is creator of nature and set those processes into motion. Kinda like the domino effect well someone had to set up the dominos. There is design in creation and when there is a design there is a designer. Its like you describing a painting in a way as to explain the colors and shadows but not giving the painter credit same with life people explain how lifr works but dont give the author of lifr credit. some rather believe they are goo the talks but
billywarren22 4 days ago
@billywarren22 Well, first of all, how do you know that any god set the laws of physics in motion? How do you know it was your specific god? The problem is that the world around us isn't like a painting, we understand the laws of physics well enough to know how the world around us formed naturally. One can't disprove that the laws of physics were set in motion by god, but there doesn't seem to be any empirical evidence to support that claim.
Bleeder599 3 days ago
@Bleeder599 You used the word laws which is another word for rules or guideline or boundaries and all these things require a giver of the law or a rule maker or one to establish the guideline or boundaries. The creation and how it functions is proof of a creator jus as a car engine has parts that do their thing but show design. God set the stars in place and set the orbit of thr planets so he is the root cause of nature. I believe in Jesus for he died a traitors death a sinners death for me
billywarren22 3 days ago
@Bleeder599 though I deserve Gods wrath he died for me as it says while we were still sinners Christ died for us I hate religion but love truth and love Jesus.
billywarren22 3 days ago
@Bleeder599 i see more i see purpose and value i see the hand of God. Now with that being said Jesus is God who died on that cross to pay for our sins so we have a right relationship with God. If one repents of sin turns from it and follows him he will be forgiven and granted everlasting life. Thats truth not religion. Again I thank you for the respect and the questions. God bless.
billywarren22 4 days ago
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"all i need is the creation"
Well then. How are you going to demonstrate that the world was indeed created, rather than formed through natural processes?
XGralgrathor 4 days ago
@Bleeder599 Forget it bleeder- attempting to reason with Billy is the same as talking to a wall with 2+2=5 scribbled on it & trying to convince the wall that it's wrong. This whole thread is full of Billy justifying his true supreme religion not with proof or logic, but his own bible & god-did-it logic. I've pointed out so many flaws in his reasoning & arguments but its been all for naught. Except maybe as an illustration to others how religoin can brainwash you so completely.
utubepunk 3 days ago
@billywarren22 Yeah, poor god, couldn't have put anything in the 10 Commandments like slavery is WRONG. He just had to accommodate all those humans. LOL. Funny how you put all these limits on supposedly powerful being. Its almost like its just all made up. Which I have to believe since you haven't provided any proof. Saying things like god is god or god's light isn't proof. Its empty religious rhetoric. We can't comprehend god, but you can & know what he wants & thinks.So arrogant
utubepunk 4 days ago
@utubepunk i know Gods thought due to the word and God has no limits he may allow certain things to happen but not due to limits we are limited we are flawed but he is perfect. God hated slavery but worked with a culture to show its need for a saviour just as you and I do. The ten commandments are the basic law the holy spirit reaveals the rest. I cant fully comprehend the mind of God but his word helps and then can let go and let God. Now lets not waste anymore of each other time.
billywarren22 4 days ago
@billywarren22 But the word of god is a flawed document, edited for content & mistranslated through the ages. Again, leaving such an important task to mere insects is not a perfect revelation. God hated slavery, yet had great rules about how you could beat slaves as long as they didn't lose a tooth or eye. The word you use to know the mind of god is flawed as there are a million interpretations of it! Instead of one unified religion, there are thousands w their own interps! FAIL!
utubepunk 4 days ago
@utubepunk Yes there are thousands of religions but one truth and God allowed man to show his fallen nature in the word to show how depraved we are and yes there are many translations but simply transalted into modern english they are translations of the origianl manuscripts and again God can choose any means he wishes. You just cant stand that can you that he doesnt run his ideas by you. Oh well. Look God allows flaws of man in his word as well as his perfection to show how far we have fallen.
billywarren22 4 days ago
@billywarren22 Sigh. No Billy- your truth. I can't stand ppl like you who don't think for themselves. If god wanted your religion to be the true one, he's done a terrible job becuz there are 1000s of religion- many growing faster than your religion. And like you,they believe in their one truth. Religion divides us & turns us on one another & against science & reason. Flaws of man, hmm? Odd as we're created in his image. Interpretation- god is as flawed as us.
utubepunk 4 days ago
@utubepunk Yes religion devides not truth and those other religions are growing due to the fact they award no true accountability they teach that you can earn forgiveness that if youre more good than bad then you should be fine.I do think for myself and i realized that I am a sinner for God didnt force himself on me i accepted him by my own free will and yes i now hold all though captive in Christ. God is not flawd we are we made religion to ease our conscience God sent the truth to bring us
billywarren22 4 days ago
@billywarren22 Slaves don't have free will. Religions grow because they award no true accountability? No, that's what you want to believe to justify your religion's superiority. But that isn't why. Truth fulfills & that's why I care about what's true & can be proven. Funny that I & others bring up tough questions & you're not willing to discuss or debate, always close minded & leaving. Do my questions & points make u uncomfortable? I thought you could do all thing