Very strange how Sinn Fein have conned their followers with claims of a "32 county republic" When in reality the deal is done, Northern Ireland will never be united, and If Sinn Fein are saying otherwise, then they surely must come clean. They have aquired the bank accounts and the property, and now they must tell their own people the truth.
Is there any truth that the provos were getting hauled to the hauge for crimes against humanity back in the 90 s???
What has the sinners done about the segregationist policys and inter education since being in power with Thatherites D U P? What about all the cut backs?
Sounds like poacher becomes game keeper?? The ugly society still exists the weak are still being down trodden!!! Mirror mirror on the wall??
join SF and play your part in what they have done to the people of this land.no warning public transport bombs,taking the lives of children,protestant and catholic civilians alike.go ahead,join SF and bath in the blood of their victims and be as much a part of the movment as the bomb makers and trigger men
@GeordieBest1974 Or the Unionist regime that created the IRA, or the British military establishment that backed up a muppett government that denied Nationalists the right to housing, emplyment, basic civil rights!!! Victimhood again lol!!
@phoenix1916 if i feel unhappy about my houseing and job options in the republican area i live,wot do u reccomend i do? plant no warning bombs on public transport killing children an their parents? No ! what the i.r.a did was a slaughter of its own people and did little harm 2 the british it proclaimed to be at war with.and in the end after all the slaughter in the name of ireland where do the ira generals sit ? stormont with their 40 pieces of british silver and their fine new british jobs
@GeordieBest1974 Firstly u dont live in a republican area, secondly u forgot to mention the hordes of loyalists backed up by state forces of the B specials and RUC that attacked killed and burnt 1000s from their homes during the loyalist pogroms of the late 60's u goon, the IRA didnt just appear u idiot they were created by idiotic sectarian bigots like YOU!! And all the better for them!! Tiocfaidh Ar La!!
iroquois women by spittal- hope is found by learning from native women from this book -unless women & children from both war sides join in womens nations- there is no hope for peace- long live womens longhouses & womens farm collectives (HIC-india-2005)- let men drug/booze themselves & pay their religious leaders (richest pimps on earth)- on their own territories- & let women & her child live healthy & no overpopulating her territories-why wd men attack an all women nation?learn from iroquois
Make a real diffence ? Killing a mother of 10 children , kill members of the Gardai ,Raise money by robbing banks and lets not forget training freedom movement like Farc
Ireland is a business & needs to be run like a one. If we dont make money we go bust. The SF reps who appear on TV are so out of touch its scary. SF leader Adams knows nothing about our System. I wouldnt vote for SF if they were the last option. In my eyes Adams represents murder & bad times. Scare mongering to get votes in working class areas. You tell people we dont need The EU. Apart from the bale-out - The EU has given 150 billion to keep our banks afloat. What has SF ever done for Ireland
@oscarbob101 Gerry Adams has nothing to do with murder and Sinn fein are the only one's that are trying to do something while the rest arent, Fiana fail are the ones who run this country into the ground.
@oscarbob101 So whats the alternative? FF? FG? I dont think so... they are not even political parties, they are a corporation, they are a business. All they care about is making money noting else. And as for the intellect of the people who vote sinn fein, well the people who voted for FF must surely have a very low IQ? brian cowen really? mary harney really? brian lenihan really? the list is endless... have these people really done a good job? I rest my case!
WATCH THESE GLOBALISTS LUMBER OUR GOVERNMENT WITH POLYGAMY SCAMMERS,AND MORE DOLE SCAMMERS,WHILE THEY PICK UP THE LAST OF THEIR SPARE CHANGE AND WALTZ OFF TO INDIA,LEAVING US WITH IMMIGRANTS,CRIME AND WELL LOOK AT LONDONISTAN,DO YOU SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING,OR ARE YOU ANOTHER IGNORANT ''IM NOT RACIST ,I LOVE RTE ALJAZZERA,LETS LIVE WITH SHARIA,LOOK@SWEDENISTAN AND THE RACIAL APARTIED THERE,VOTE FOR NATIONALIST PARTIES,THEY WILL PUT VALUE IN LOCAL BUSINESS AND WE WILL BE FREE THEY CAN STAND UP TO EU
Given the current leadership crisis and the imminent general election I am interested in alternative government. But how can you justify violent acts such as the killing of Detective Garda Jerry McCabe and the obvious links between his killers and Sinn Féin TDs such as Martin Ferris. What exactly is Ógra Sinn Féin's view on Post Office robbery and the murder of Gardaí?
@cjrmd10 you stupid stupid stewpit asshole fucking cretin.With brain dead fuckers like you alive the quota for a nations stupidity allocation can easily be absorbed,,at least you are useful fo r something,,,,,,
Scum Fein/IRA the National Socialist party.Ye learned from Gobbels about lying to the public.You terrorists now take the Queens Shilling.LOL.The day will come when you scumbags will pay for your war crimes against the Protestant people.
Like who in their right mind wants to join a party like this!!! full of MURDERERS!!
Republic of Ireland voters arnt stupit sinn feins votes are well down in the south the only reason they are the 2nd largest party in Northern Ireland is SECTARIAN votes.
The sooner the better sinn fein/ira go away IRELAND AS ONE shall have peace.
Untill that day comes we shall keep filling the cracks in the peace process MAD.....
@phoenix1916 lol u silly person the west got bigger this time around now twinbrooke poleglass lagmore are in west belfast now which means gerrys vote was down when u think about it 3 thousand more homes and he never got 3 thousand more votes i,m lookin at the results as we speak ahhahahaha u could check it out urself then get back to me tut tut tut UTV LIVE
Didn't Gerry Adams claim to be a marxist or at least have been influenced by the works of Marx and yet Sinn Fein are a republican party who wish to be part of the Republic, which isn't socialist, at all.
@OgraShinnFein then why didnt ye rule out going into coalition with fine gael, not to mention sitting in government with the homophobic, right wing DUP
of course their just two of the many contradictions with provisional sinn fein
@canyonerodriver why should u rule out government postions, u change from within, not without, what power have u in opposition lol what inane arguments???
@phoenix1916 your taking british money to administer british rule, if you wanted to "change from within" ye could have done it from the beginning and joined the sdlp
@uglybadger1 WTF are u talking about, anyone in the occupied north that works takes "British money" u moron, instead of bitching like a girl on here do something about, armchair whingers like urself ar the reason were still occupied wee tit!!!
Read some history on politics, and you will realise no-one from the radical left has ever been voted into power within systems of capitlaism, thats why its called revolutionary.
Chavez has failed to challenge the systems which have created inequality in Venezuela, his so called "slow" revolution has left many people demoralised in Venezuela, with high crime levels and ghettos which are often ignored in the media, in favour of Anti-US rhetoric. He has not overturned systems, and continually compromises with US businesses, even the Economist magazine (right wing) ridiculed claims of socialism he continually makes.
No mate, you don't know shit, Chavez has come under much military pressure, ultiamtely he is afraid of military coup funded by right wing officials, which have readily arrested him previously.
I have to agree with phoenix on this one. I speak as a former Sinn Féiner and current independent Socialist republican.
Hugo Chavez may not be perfect but his government gives hope to the Venezuelan people. Also in recent years his shift leftwards has intensified. Chavez moved as fast as he could at the time. Try to move too fast and you stand to be defeated quickly. Chavez gives hope for what can be achieved. However I think it will take a long time to get that in ireland.
In general I am impressed with Hugo Chavez; he has made combatting poverty and inequality a main priority of his government, and seems to be working toward a truly socialist society.
However I do not understand Chavez' willingness to work with and take money from foreign oil companies- the same corporations that are profiting from the war in Iraq, which Chavez claims to oppose (as he certainly should.)
The problem in Venezuela is that Socialism has come to be embodied in one man. China had Mao, Cuba had Che and Fidel, and while these individuals may have had some good ideas, they were given far more credit than they deserved. Revolutions are made by the people, not by "leaders", and when they come to be controlled or embodied by "leaders", they lose their ties to the people and fail disastrously.
This "leader" problem in my opinion is why socialism has never been successfully implemented. It is also why Irish Republicanism has failed to unite Ireland. When "leaders" replace the people as the force behind a movement, the movement itself- regardless of its politics- stagnates. This is why reformist political parties have failed, and it is also why revolutionary groups have failed.
Its not about taxation, its about workers control on production, direct government involvement in industry and growth. Why encourage foreign companies to suck blood out of Irish workers, then merely tax them a fraction. Its time a mode of revolutionary thought moves forward.
What, again ur refering to Brit politics, why is that are u a Brit???? It certainly is a massive shift in IRELAND numb nuts thats what were talking about, SF is for keep Irish wealth in IRELAND!!!!
Sinn Fein has failed to maintain its socailist agenda of the 1970s, equality has been replaced with "equal opportunity" which basically means if you inherit money there is opportunity.. because there is no such thing as equal opportunity in a capitalist society.
Sinn Fein has socialism as its main trust? That couldn't be further from the truth. The same multinational companies that operate in Britain operate in Ireland, so what if you have a united Ireland, if that merely means earning the futile wages while the shareholders and bankers continue their destructive path.
Bullshit, SF arent against economic strength, but will impose huge tax burdens on these companies and stop them taking the wealth out of the country and protect workers rights, at least read their policy documents before u talk crap!
I read the policy documents, they clearly state they wanted united tax rates across the whole of Ireland, that is to say they would like 10% corporation tax rate across the whole of Ireland, which is why they welcomed proposals for a 10% tax rate in northern ireland a couple of years ago but it was ultimately rejected by the british goverment.
Ok I read it again, perhaps I am mistaken, but to me harmonisation of tax rates across the whole of Ireland one of two things, either northern Ireland will drop their corporation tax rates. Or as you would rather believe, that the corporation tax rates are raised to 17.5% and 30% respectively, although this is not exactly a revolutionary move, since it is at these rates in Britain anyway.
Fucking sure!. I've been watching them and their friends in action for the last forty years. They may have swapped their camoflage combats for pinstripe suits but they don't fool me.
Unfortuantly, PIRA and Sinn Fein, sold out the IRA and the armed struggle, but it isnt too bad, cos we are just lying in wait, recruiting, training, and arming so that we may once again rise and fight the english and hopefully rid them and their loyalist pigs once and for all out of Ireland
that'll only get people killed...won't change anything. you'll never have enough guns to defeat them...only enough to make trouble. with modern war machines (such as Brittain) as they are, small armed resistances have all but been phased out. has it ever really worked out before?
it worked in 1921, it's working in Iraq, its working in Afghanistan, it worked in Vietnam, it worked during the american revolution, the list continues, your probably going to say that in teh American revolution and or 1921, there werent modern weapons and waht not, but in 1921 for instance, the brits had long range guns, a navy, an airforce, highly trained specialists, etc etc.....In nam, yes the NVA / VC did have some tanks and aircraft, but piss all compared to America....
I guess that depends on what you call success . The United States won every major Battle, but lost the war because congress thought it new how to run the show. The US just walked away due to the political climate stateside. In all est. 5 million civilians died in that war. 4 million were north Vietnamese. The VietCong lost 1.1 million men. The US and South Vietnam lost 99,000. Afghanistan cannot be compared to ireland in any way, and the destruction in Iraq...what is victory if so much is lost?
you cant compare Taliban to IRA, but then again, its a guerilla warfare, against a foreign invader, with more advanced weapons then you, its related, not identical, but it would fall under the same category, but not genre for instance...
The Taliban are not something you and I can fully comprehend. Afghanistan has been lawless for a long time. The people there are not of one tribe or race...the Taliban are men fighting for Allah, or out of desperation..or both. Many of them are Pakistani. The Afghans generally don't appreciate the fact that many Taliban come from outside their country. That conflict is ideologically, politically, and geographically dissimilar from your crusade. How much blood are you willing to spill?
I cant even give an estimate as to how much I would spill / give for my crusade, because when you belive in something, you support it, you fight for it, you die for it, you kill for it, you protect it...etc etc,
Go S.F. make a difference, kick ass, and fuck the rest of you non-irish who think S.F. is just a bunch of terrorist, it's just brittish propoganda and a twist on events beyond S.F.'s control!
never say always because thats a long time and I know no Irish any in the world will give up on Uniting a whole Ireland. I bet you'll be eating your words.
hope S.F. Do something positive and bring down this government in Ireland who are Anti working class and Anti poor... Make an IMPACT now S.F. and i will support you. The budget has protected the RICH BASTAR** in our country.. what the HELL is going on??????
The present political situation is shaped in a way desired by Gerry and Martin. In the 1970's they managed to take over the IRA army council by voting off veteran leaders like Billy McKee. They then went about creating a situation whereby, as figure heads of the republican movement, ordinary republicans would follow them blindly. No true republican would accept a compromise. I think people are scared to dissent but with this attitude, Ireland will remain unfree.
I think you are very wrong with impleying that Sinn Fein people are all rich and live some elit life...Gery Adams and Martin Mcgunness are pretty hard core people in my book going back to the 70's threw out the 80's and I think they were people with nothing fighting for everthing.
and siin fein are in stormont , they dont care about a 32 socalist republic and i bet no sinn feiner is skint they all live in big houses , drive fancy cars and there isnt a days work in the cunts .and thats from a x sinn fein voter .
Tell me who lives in a big hose and drive fancy cars, this is something that is threw out constantly, were is ur proof, SF is the ONLT Irish party that takes an industrial wage, the remainder going into party funds for future developmenr, i bet u never voted SF in ur life, all the activists and members round my area live in social housing, stop ur whinging or else produce an alternative!!!
voted sinn fein all my life not anymore and loads of people i know feel the same , the next vote will tell that the nationalist people have been let down , sinn fein are more concerened about forginers and dont ace about there own people , plus they support abortion i bet people didnt know about that . .
Ireland doesn't want to take Northern Ireland, economically that is. Unless 51% + of the North want unity, it eon't hspprn. And a sinn fein guy will need to be the leader.
I read a book from Mike Cronin, where he says that the sieg of Sinn Fein in 1981 is a result of the death of Bobby Sands. What does mr McGuinness think about that of the name of Sinn Fein??? (Inklusive his own career)
Making Protestants history,right you sectarian nazi fenian tramps?Radical socialist millionaires-LOL.You scum will never win.Take the Brits money Sir Adams-LOL.Your fantasy of a United Ireland will never happen you murderers.
Sinn Fein consistently calls for justice. How about justice for the Omagh families, after all this time. Republicans committed this attrocity, 'Real', or otherwise.
Yes, you are correct Phoenix1916 the PIRA were on ceasefire in August 1998. In my note, I din't indicate they weren't. However, the attrocity was committed by so called 'Republicans' who without doubt had former ties with PIRA and Sinn Fein. Not one person has been convicted for this slaughter. That is a failing on all political organisations, including Sinn Fein. As I said in my last note, the Omagh families deserve justice.
the brits gave up control of hong kong, they should release there grip on n ireland..to theauldflute for his comment "terrorists at the ballot box" thank you, i am now dumber than i was 5 min ago from reading your comment..the orange movement has always been a terrorist group, even back to their mason roots...since when is freedom fighting terrorism...the only ones who call them terrorists are the brits...
Based on what I've studied in Irish history, the penal laws, though they happened some time ago, should be reason enough for Britain to release its political grip from Northern Ireland. Sort of as a way of issuing and apology.
Sinnfull fein Brit killers and NAZI scum. LOL Sinn Fein you did not win Ulster is British you NAZI scum. Sinnful fein friend of the American neocons enemy of Europe fuck off and die evil Sinnfull Fein NAZI pricks. LOOL Ulster is British and allways will be. I hate you cunts.
The party which will allow islam to flourish as they would not want to be seen as oppressing them and equally promote women and miniority rights hardly compatible. Trying to be a party of all people which is not possible.
a05bf5ff - depends what you mean by oppress and freedom. Does a responsible society allow freedom to hate? in my view islam as a poltical entity is another form of oppression. Do you want to substitute one form of oppression with another? If you want to live in a society which values women's,animal,individual,children and religious rights then be concerned about the increasing power of islam globally or if not live in a society where sharia law is enforced. nationalism is incomptbl with islam
no mate while i don't neccessarily agree with the fundamentalist side of islam in the way they treat women etc. i believe every one has the right to believe what they want.governments should be secular and free of religious influence. it is important to remember that the strict interpretations of the bible is similar to the koran. not all muslims are psycophaths but this is the image we are most familiar with in the media.
that won't happen does any one know that the irish government has a hi way plan that happens to go right over the hill of tara bull dosing a historic site? why?
the goal is harder then you think sadly here in canada movement to make things better hurt others equality is hard thing to maintain
best of luck to the land ansestors of my kin come from
Very strange how Sinn Fein have conned their followers with claims of a "32 county republic" When in reality the deal is done, Northern Ireland will never be united, and If Sinn Fein are saying otherwise, then they surely must come clean. They have aquired the bank accounts and the property, and now they must tell their own people the truth.
RoyalBarnet 2 months ago
bank robbers,murderers,kid nappers,blackmailers. Join sf ? why not just move to a jail and be among friends there
GeordieBest1974 6 months ago
Is there any truth that the provos were getting hauled to the hauge for crimes against humanity back in the 90 s???
What has the sinners done about the segregationist policys and inter education since being in power with Thatherites D U P? What about all the cut backs?
Sounds like poacher becomes game keeper?? The ugly society still exists the weak are still being down trodden!!! Mirror mirror on the wall??
humanity1798 7 months ago
join SF and play your part in what they have done to the people of this land.no warning public transport bombs,taking the lives of children,protestant and catholic civilians alike.go ahead,join SF and bath in the blood of their victims and be as much a part of the movment as the bomb makers and trigger men
GeordieBest1974 8 months ago
@GeordieBest1974 Or the Unionist regime that created the IRA, or the British military establishment that backed up a muppett government that denied Nationalists the right to housing, emplyment, basic civil rights!!! Victimhood again lol!!
phoenix1916 7 months ago
@phoenix1916 if i feel unhappy about my houseing and job options in the republican area i live,wot do u reccomend i do? plant no warning bombs on public transport killing children an their parents? No ! what the i.r.a did was a slaughter of its own people and did little harm 2 the british it proclaimed to be at war with.and in the end after all the slaughter in the name of ireland where do the ira generals sit ? stormont with their 40 pieces of british silver and their fine new british jobs
GeordieBest1974 6 months ago
@GeordieBest1974 Firstly u dont live in a republican area, secondly u forgot to mention the hordes of loyalists backed up by state forces of the B specials and RUC that attacked killed and burnt 1000s from their homes during the loyalist pogroms of the late 60's u goon, the IRA didnt just appear u idiot they were created by idiotic sectarian bigots like YOU!! And all the better for them!! Tiocfaidh Ar La!!
phoenix1916 6 months ago
iroquois women by spittal- hope is found by learning from native women from this book -unless women & children from both war sides join in womens nations- there is no hope for peace- long live womens longhouses & womens farm collectives (HIC-india-2005)- let men drug/booze themselves & pay their religious leaders (richest pimps on earth)- on their own territories- & let women & her child live healthy & no overpopulating her territories-why wd men attack an all women nation?learn from iroquois
lmollot 9 months ago
Make a real diffence ? Killing a mother of 10 children , kill members of the Gardai ,Raise money by robbing banks and lets not forget training freedom movement like Farc
juliekent1978 11 months ago
Reunification? When has Ireland ever been whole?
No surrender!
redcoatrifle 11 months ago
I want a united Ireland.
Saintliked 11 months ago
Ireland is a business & needs to be run like a one. If we dont make money we go bust. The SF reps who appear on TV are so out of touch its scary. SF leader Adams knows nothing about our System. I wouldnt vote for SF if they were the last option. In my eyes Adams represents murder & bad times. Scare mongering to get votes in working class areas. You tell people we dont need The EU. Apart from the bale-out - The EU has given 150 billion to keep our banks afloat. What has SF ever done for Ireland
oscarbob101 11 months ago
@oscarbob101 Gerry Adams has nothing to do with murder and Sinn fein are the only one's that are trying to do something while the rest arent, Fiana fail are the ones who run this country into the ground.
cjrmd10 11 months ago
Sinn Fein are a shower of wasters. They have no positive purpose. Only deluded uneducated people vote for them.
oscarbob101 1 year ago
@oscarbob101 So whats the alternative? FF? FG? I dont think so... they are not even political parties, they are a corporation, they are a business. All they care about is making money noting else. And as for the intellect of the people who vote sinn fein, well the people who voted for FF must surely have a very low IQ? brian cowen really? mary harney really? brian lenihan really? the list is endless... have these people really done a good job? I rest my case!
macgiver351 1 year ago
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WATCH THESE GLOBALISTS LUMBER OUR GOVERNMENT WITH POLYGAMY SCAMMERS,AND MORE DOLE SCAMMERS,WHILE THEY PICK UP THE LAST OF THEIR SPARE CHANGE AND WALTZ OFF TO INDIA,LEAVING US WITH IMMIGRANTS,CRIME AND WELL LOOK AT LONDONISTAN,DO YOU SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING,OR ARE YOU ANOTHER IGNORANT ''IM NOT RACIST ,I LOVE RTE ALJAZZERA,LETS LIVE WITH SHARIA,LOOK@SWEDENISTAN AND THE RACIAL APARTIED THERE,VOTE FOR NATIONALIST PARTIES,THEY WILL PUT VALUE IN LOCAL BUSINESS AND WE WILL BE FREE THEY CAN STAND UP TO EU
IrishLassie1986 1 year ago
If I join am I allowed to molest my children like Sinn Fein members Liam Adams and Briege Meehan?
OrangeDemocrats 1 year ago
@OrangeDemocrats Shut up you fucking pedophile go join Uncle Ian paisley the Child molester.
cjrmd10 11 months ago
Given the current leadership crisis and the imminent general election I am interested in alternative government. But how can you justify violent acts such as the killing of Detective Garda Jerry McCabe and the obvious links between his killers and Sinn Féin TDs such as Martin Ferris. What exactly is Ógra Sinn Féin's view on Post Office robbery and the murder of Gardaí?
oisin12345678910 1 year ago
fuk off yis bunch of murdering bastards,,,,you are all lowlifes
deeryker 1 year ago
@deeryker Sinn fein have nothing to do with the Ira you dumbass
cjrmd10 11 months ago
@cjrmd10 you stupid stupid stewpit asshole fucking cretin.With brain dead fuckers like you alive the quota for a nations stupidity allocation can easily be absorbed,,at least you are useful fo r something,,,,,,
deeryker 11 months ago
Traitors
NorthernGael32 1 year ago
I am in FULL support of Sinn Fein!!!!! if you live in ireland and dis agree with sinn fein..let me know why... just dont leave troll comments
TheMcCurdyClan 1 year ago
@TheMcCurdyClan ehhhhh,,,murder,,,slaughter,,etc is that enough,,,wanker,adams cum slurper
deeryker 11 months ago
traitors
Ducksexbody 1 year ago
Scum Fein/IRA the National Socialist party.Ye learned from Gobbels about lying to the public.You terrorists now take the Queens Shilling.LOL.The day will come when you scumbags will pay for your war crimes against the Protestant people.
Bronxloyalist 1 year ago
@Bronxloyalist The IRA had protestant members ya twat.
animegalc4 1 year ago
Come On Da Provos
mickycthestig1 1 year ago
seinn feinn and the ira wrecked the republic anti treaty idiots who wrecked any chance we had in 1922
thefightingirish1919 1 year ago
Like who in their right mind wants to join a party like this!!! full of MURDERERS!!
Republic of Ireland voters arnt stupit sinn feins votes are well down in the south the only reason they are the 2nd largest party in Northern Ireland is SECTARIAN votes.
The sooner the better sinn fein/ira go away IRELAND AS ONE shall have peace.
Untill that day comes we shall keep filling the cracks in the peace process MAD.....
sinnfeinkillers 1 year ago
orga sinn fein pedo party
sinnfeinkillers 1 year ago
i wanna make a differences but if it means TOUTING ON MY FELLOW IRISH USE CAN GO FUCK YOURSELVES ,,,TRIATOR BASTARDS
kevinc1916 2 years ago
@kevinc1916 Nice choice of words this is exactly why people like u have NO support from local communities, thugs and gangsters!
phoenix1916 1 year ago
support lol comes see the support in west belfast now you toy solider havent you a lampost to paint green
kevinc1916 1 year ago
@kevinc1916 well kevin did u see the vote Gerry Adams got in West belfast, makes ur comments seem a little embarrassing does'nt it????
phoenix1916 1 year ago
@phoenix1916 lol u silly person the west got bigger this time around now twinbrooke poleglass lagmore are in west belfast now which means gerrys vote was down when u think about it 3 thousand more homes and he never got 3 thousand more votes i,m lookin at the results as we speak ahhahahaha u could check it out urself then get back to me tut tut tut UTV LIVE
kevinc1916 1 year ago
@kevinc1916 what a pathetic return man Adams Abu!
phoenix1916 1 year ago
What is really the point of Sinn Fein standing in the Genral elections because they never take their seats anyway
kanenkitten 2 years ago
Ur talking about the North i assume, SF dont sit in westminister as the do nor recognise its jurisdiction in Ireland!
phoenix1916 2 years ago 9
I'm a socialist and think that as well as throwing off British imperialism, there is also a need to throw off the capitalist system too.
tellyontellyon 2 years ago 11
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phoenix1916 2 years ago
Didn't Gerry Adams claim to be a marxist or at least have been influenced by the works of Marx and yet Sinn Fein are a republican party who wish to be part of the Republic, which isn't socialist, at all.
wedr1nkritalin 2 years ago
Since when do Sinn Fein wish to be part of "the Republic" (by which I'm assuming you mean the 26-county state.
SF's aim is to create a 32-County democratic socialist republic.
OgraShinnFein 2 years ago 7
@OgraShinnFein then why didnt ye rule out going into coalition with fine gael, not to mention sitting in government with the homophobic, right wing DUP
of course their just two of the many contradictions with provisional sinn fein
canyonerodriver 1 year ago
@canyonerodriver why should u rule out government postions, u change from within, not without, what power have u in opposition lol what inane arguments???
phoenix1916 1 year ago
@phoenix1916 your taking british money to administer british rule, if you wanted to "change from within" ye could have done it from the beginning and joined the sdlp
uglybadger1 1 year ago
@uglybadger1 WTF are u talking about, anyone in the occupied north that works takes "British money" u moron, instead of bitching like a girl on here do something about, armchair whingers like urself ar the reason were still occupied wee tit!!!
phoenix1916 1 year ago 2
My mam is is sinn fein :D Woo Go SINN FEIN
AoibhanBaybee 2 years ago
i was in the irish army (pdf)and they nearly killed me, then medically discharged me
ill join sein fein anyday :)
deirdreofthesorrows 2 years ago
Why is Sinn Fein not running candidates from the immigrant communtity in Ireland. All other parties seem to be?
CAKIRELAND 2 years ago
i find sinn fein admirable in many ways and gerry adams i have time for but i just don't agree with them when it comes to europe.
eireboy17 2 years ago
Why not?
phoenix1916 2 years ago
Vote Sinn Fein 5th June 2009!!!!!!
scotsprovo 2 years ago 2
Ye well stand and let the people vote on ur mandate, thats right u dont have one??
phoenix1916 2 years ago
Read some history on politics, and you will realise no-one from the radical left has ever been voted into power within systems of capitlaism, thats why its called revolutionary.
easye2233 2 years ago
LOL so much for democracy, ur democracy havent u ever heard of Hugo Chavez????
phoenix1916 2 years ago
Chavez has failed to challenge the systems which have created inequality in Venezuela, his so called "slow" revolution has left many people demoralised in Venezuela, with high crime levels and ghettos which are often ignored in the media, in favour of Anti-US rhetoric. He has not overturned systems, and continually compromises with US businesses, even the Economist magazine (right wing) ridiculed claims of socialism he continually makes.
easye2233 2 years ago
OH God u asked for an example when it is given, u put ur spin on it, ur just an opinionated twisted sad person, dry ur eyes!!
phoenix1916 2 years ago
No mate, you don't know shit, Chavez has come under much military pressure, ultiamtely he is afraid of military coup funded by right wing officials, which have readily arrested him previously.
easye2233 2 years ago
NO U know Shit!!!
So why dont u just STFU!!??
phoenix1916 2 years ago
is that the best response you have? What you think I'm lying now? Do some reading and get educated.
easye2233 2 years ago
Yes u talk Bollocks??!
phoenix1916 2 years ago
uneducated fool.
easye2233 2 years ago
I have to agree with phoenix on this one. I speak as a former Sinn Féiner and current independent Socialist republican.
Hugo Chavez may not be perfect but his government gives hope to the Venezuelan people. Also in recent years his shift leftwards has intensified. Chavez moved as fast as he could at the time. Try to move too fast and you stand to be defeated quickly. Chavez gives hope for what can be achieved. However I think it will take a long time to get that in ireland.
Doniedaff 2 years ago
In general I am impressed with Hugo Chavez; he has made combatting poverty and inequality a main priority of his government, and seems to be working toward a truly socialist society.
However I do not understand Chavez' willingness to work with and take money from foreign oil companies- the same corporations that are profiting from the war in Iraq, which Chavez claims to oppose (as he certainly should.)
TheTollundWoman 2 years ago
I'm curious what led to your decision to leave Sinn Fein? And what is your take on the various "dissident groups"? Also have you heard of Eirigi?
TheTollundWoman 2 years ago
The problem in Venezuela is that Socialism has come to be embodied in one man. China had Mao, Cuba had Che and Fidel, and while these individuals may have had some good ideas, they were given far more credit than they deserved. Revolutions are made by the people, not by "leaders", and when they come to be controlled or embodied by "leaders", they lose their ties to the people and fail disastrously.
TheTollundWoman 2 years ago
This "leader" problem in my opinion is why socialism has never been successfully implemented. It is also why Irish Republicanism has failed to unite Ireland. When "leaders" replace the people as the force behind a movement, the movement itself- regardless of its politics- stagnates. This is why reformist political parties have failed, and it is also why revolutionary groups have failed.
Lesson: don't follow leaders
TheTollundWoman 2 years ago
Neither did Sinn Féin until recently.
Doniedaff 2 years ago
Its not about taxation, its about workers control on production, direct government involvement in industry and growth. Why encourage foreign companies to suck blood out of Irish workers, then merely tax them a fraction. Its time a mode of revolutionary thought moves forward.
easye2233 2 years ago
What, again ur refering to Brit politics, why is that are u a Brit???? It certainly is a massive shift in IRELAND numb nuts thats what were talking about, SF is for keep Irish wealth in IRELAND!!!!
phoenix1916 2 years ago
its not a massive shift, its just shameful that Ireland has moved so far to the right, that a 30% tax rate sounds radically left wing.
easye2233 2 years ago
Yes but this is Ireland, so it is a massive shift, one step at a time!
phoenix1916 2 years ago
At least u could spell the word correctly, gerry Adams past is well documented, so whats yours bar stool general?????
WatchingLoyalists 2 years ago
hER VOICE IS VERY ACCEPTABLE
alfogey 2 years ago
You could ask Colonel Gadaffi to give you some arms again like he did before.
JJFP1 2 years ago
Sinn Fein has failed to maintain its socailist agenda of the 1970s, equality has been replaced with "equal opportunity" which basically means if you inherit money there is opportunity.. because there is no such thing as equal opportunity in a capitalist society.
easye2233 2 years ago
Sinn Fein still has socialism as its main thrust, Sinn Fein is not in gOVERNMENT AT LEAST GIVE THEM A CHANCE, STOP BLAMING ALL IRELANDS ILLS ON SF!
WatchingLoyalists 2 years ago
Sinn Fein has socialism as its main trust? That couldn't be further from the truth. The same multinational companies that operate in Britain operate in Ireland, so what if you have a united Ireland, if that merely means earning the futile wages while the shareholders and bankers continue their destructive path.
easye2233 2 years ago
Ur anti Ireland of equals, anti palistine, anti everything that SF stands for
phoenix1916 2 years ago
what is that supposed to mean, I am left wing mate.
easye2233 2 years ago
Bullshit, SF arent against economic strength, but will impose huge tax burdens on these companies and stop them taking the wealth out of the country and protect workers rights, at least read their policy documents before u talk crap!
phoenix1916 2 years ago
I read the policy documents, they clearly state they wanted united tax rates across the whole of Ireland, that is to say they would like 10% corporation tax rate across the whole of Ireland, which is why they welcomed proposals for a 10% tax rate in northern ireland a couple of years ago but it was ultimately rejected by the british goverment.
easye2233 2 years ago
Utter crap SF has stated clearly they will heavily tax high earners and coperate companies, read it again????
phoenix1916 2 years ago
Ok I read it again, perhaps I am mistaken, but to me harmonisation of tax rates across the whole of Ireland one of two things, either northern Ireland will drop their corporation tax rates. Or as you would rather believe, that the corporation tax rates are raised to 17.5% and 30% respectively, although this is not exactly a revolutionary move, since it is at these rates in Britain anyway.
easye2233 2 years ago
Yes 30% why are u keep refering to BRITAIN, this is IRELAND what are u talking about???
phoenix1916 2 years ago
What I am talking about is the fact that Sinn Fein's so called socialist policy on corporate taxation is not any more "left wing" than Gordon Brown.
easye2233 2 years ago
Oh sorry that is right. 17% in the 26 and 30% in the 6 counties. But were they not talking about later consolidating the two rates?
Doniedaff 2 years ago
YES!!!
phoenix1916 2 years ago
Was it not calling for a common corporation tax of 17% or has that changed since I was a member?
Doniedaff 2 years ago
I do care, and i have joined.
End to English rule!
entersilenthill 2 years ago
In the unlikely event that sinn fein ever become part of an Irish government I will be applying to the Afghanistan embassy for political asylum.
jockserhi 2 years ago
says it all ... are you scared of sinn fein?
FROGGYDOHERTY 2 years ago
Fucking sure!. I've been watching them and their friends in action for the last forty years. They may have swapped their camoflage combats for pinstripe suits but they don't fool me.
jockserhi 2 years ago
tHAT WILL SUIT FINE!
phoenix1916 2 years ago
i do think sinn fein really want the best for ireland though.
eireboy17 3 years ago 3
ill join sinn fein when they change their policy on the eu.
ireland and europe forever.
eireboy17 3 years ago
We are a pro-EU party.
However we will not blindly allow our sovereignty to be eroded either.
There is a democratic deficit between the EU leadership in Brussels and it's people. This needs to be addressed.
The Lisbon treaty was not a contest between pro and anti-EU supporters, but a debate over different visions for the future of the EU.
OgraShinnFein 3 years ago 6
The democratic deficit is people?
amilliondead 2 years ago
@OgraShinnFein A pro europain party?
1oca1 1 year ago
Unfortuantly, PIRA and Sinn Fein, sold out the IRA and the armed struggle, but it isnt too bad, cos we are just lying in wait, recruiting, training, and arming so that we may once again rise and fight the english and hopefully rid them and their loyalist pigs once and for all out of Ireland
MattRfromBelfast 3 years ago
that'll only get people killed...won't change anything. you'll never have enough guns to defeat them...only enough to make trouble. with modern war machines (such as Brittain) as they are, small armed resistances have all but been phased out. has it ever really worked out before?
jesmith09 3 years ago
it worked in 1921, it's working in Iraq, its working in Afghanistan, it worked in Vietnam, it worked during the american revolution, the list continues, your probably going to say that in teh American revolution and or 1921, there werent modern weapons and waht not, but in 1921 for instance, the brits had long range guns, a navy, an airforce, highly trained specialists, etc etc.....In nam, yes the NVA / VC did have some tanks and aircraft, but piss all compared to America....
MattRfromBelfast 3 years ago
I guess that depends on what you call success . The United States won every major Battle, but lost the war because congress thought it new how to run the show. The US just walked away due to the political climate stateside. In all est. 5 million civilians died in that war. 4 million were north Vietnamese. The VietCong lost 1.1 million men. The US and South Vietnam lost 99,000. Afghanistan cannot be compared to ireland in any way, and the destruction in Iraq...what is victory if so much is lost?
jesmith09 3 years ago
you cant compare Taliban to IRA, but then again, its a guerilla warfare, against a foreign invader, with more advanced weapons then you, its related, not identical, but it would fall under the same category, but not genre for instance...
MattRfromBelfast 3 years ago
The Taliban are not something you and I can fully comprehend. Afghanistan has been lawless for a long time. The people there are not of one tribe or race...the Taliban are men fighting for Allah, or out of desperation..or both. Many of them are Pakistani. The Afghans generally don't appreciate the fact that many Taliban come from outside their country. That conflict is ideologically, politically, and geographically dissimilar from your crusade. How much blood are you willing to spill?
jesmith09 3 years ago
I cant even give an estimate as to how much I would spill / give for my crusade, because when you belive in something, you support it, you fight for it, you die for it, you kill for it, you protect it...etc etc,
MattRfromBelfast 3 years ago
is aobhinn liom Sinn Féin
conorlewandowski 3 years ago
Great party
unnoblegnome 3 years ago
Go S.F. make a difference, kick ass, and fuck the rest of you non-irish who think S.F. is just a bunch of terrorist, it's just brittish propoganda and a twist on events beyond S.F.'s control!
ERIN GO BRACH!!!
Fr33z3r2007 3 years ago 2
I am Irish American how can I help please let me know thanks.
hannigan06 3 years ago
you can help by minding your own shit you stupid twat, fuck you, brits rule
dankaz11 2 years ago
The real twat is yourself ! ya english hun!
hedgothebhoy 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
irish fuckups you never did anything right. ira failed ulster will always be british unfortunately. pwnt.
Mahavishnu80 3 years ago
For God and 2/3rds of Ulster yeah?
You surrendered 26 counties to keep it British. And I hear you will surrender as many more as it takes
OgraShinnFein 3 years ago
never say always because thats a long time and I know no Irish any in the world will give up on Uniting a whole Ireland. I bet you'll be eating your words.
hannigan06 3 years ago
hope S.F. Do something positive and bring down this government in Ireland who are Anti working class and Anti poor... Make an IMPACT now S.F. and i will support you. The budget has protected the RICH BASTAR** in our country.. what the HELL is going on??????
fairhillnorrie 3 years ago
id love to agree with that. its a shame gerry addams has lost his way
01roadwarrior 3 years ago
The present political situation is shaped in a way desired by Gerry and Martin. In the 1970's they managed to take over the IRA army council by voting off veteran leaders like Billy McKee. They then went about creating a situation whereby, as figure heads of the republican movement, ordinary republicans would follow them blindly. No true republican would accept a compromise. I think people are scared to dissent but with this attitude, Ireland will remain unfree.
cregganfenian 3 years ago
Recognition as an Olympic sport for the game "hanging fast 100 fenians"
Remember... each fenian corpse is an echelon to heaven!!!
Regards from Spain
gorilasenlaniebla 3 years ago
If I join sinn fein will I get a villa in Spain like Gerry and Marty for selling out my people and beliefes?
orangetillidie 3 years ago 3
Maybe u could stay in big ians sure never never never, no terrorists in Government LOL!!!
phoenix1916 2 years ago
I think you are very wrong with impleying that Sinn Fein people are all rich and live some elit life...Gery Adams and Martin Mcgunness are pretty hard core people in my book going back to the 70's threw out the 80's and I think they were people with nothing fighting for everthing.
violententity 3 years ago
and siin fein are in stormont , they dont care about a 32 socalist republic and i bet no sinn feiner is skint they all live in big houses , drive fancy cars and there isnt a days work in the cunts .and thats from a x sinn fein voter .
belfastandproud 3 years ago
Tell me who lives in a big hose and drive fancy cars, this is something that is threw out constantly, were is ur proof, SF is the ONLT Irish party that takes an industrial wage, the remainder going into party funds for future developmenr, i bet u never voted SF in ur life, all the activists and members round my area live in social housing, stop ur whinging or else produce an alternative!!!
phoenix1916 2 years ago
voted sinn fein all my life not anymore and loads of people i know feel the same , the next vote will tell that the nationalist people have been let down , sinn fein are more concerened about forginers and dont ace about there own people , plus they support abortion i bet people didnt know about that . .
belfastandproud 3 years ago
Ireland doesn't want to take Northern Ireland, economically that is. Unless 51% + of the North want unity, it eon't hspprn. And a sinn fein guy will need to be the leader.
samoabamoa 3 years ago 2
I read a book from Mike Cronin, where he says that the sieg of Sinn Fein in 1981 is a result of the death of Bobby Sands. What does mr McGuinness think about that of the name of Sinn Fein??? (Inklusive his own career)
jjamesbondoviza 3 years ago
Making Protestants history,right you sectarian nazi fenian tramps?Radical socialist millionaires-LOL.You scum will never win.Take the Brits money Sir Adams-LOL.Your fantasy of a United Ireland will never happen you murderers.
Bronxloyalist 3 years ago
Here here, justice for the Omagh families, Ar dheis Dé go raibh siad
eddthe123444 3 years ago
Sinn Fein consistently calls for justice. How about justice for the Omagh families, after all this time. Republicans committed this attrocity, 'Real', or otherwise.
My background is Nationalist and Catholic.
Thanks for reading.
CAKIRELAND 3 years ago 3
Omagh had nothing to do with SF, this happened years after the PIRA ceasefire, at least get your facts straight!
phoenix1916 2 years ago
Yes, you are correct Phoenix1916 the PIRA were on ceasefire in August 1998. In my note, I din't indicate they weren't. However, the attrocity was committed by so called 'Republicans' who without doubt had former ties with PIRA and Sinn Fein. Not one person has been convicted for this slaughter. That is a failing on all political organisations, including Sinn Fein. As I said in my last note, the Omagh families deserve justice.
CAKIRELAND 2 years ago
So what ur saying is that Collins could have been responsible for the bombing??
phoenix1916 2 years ago
But u didnt say that in ur original comment u specifically pointed the finger at Sinn Fein???
phoenix1916 2 years ago
the brits gave up control of hong kong, they should release there grip on n ireland..to theauldflute for his comment "terrorists at the ballot box" thank you, i am now dumber than i was 5 min ago from reading your comment..the orange movement has always been a terrorist group, even back to their mason roots...since when is freedom fighting terrorism...the only ones who call them terrorists are the brits...
sonnydukes 3 years ago
Terrorists at the ballot box
theauldflute 3 years ago
Based on what I've studied in Irish history, the penal laws, though they happened some time ago, should be reason enough for Britain to release its political grip from Northern Ireland. Sort of as a way of issuing and apology.
corysoulier 3 years ago
An phoblacht abu!!
From a Protestant Nationalist
kjs1968 3 years ago
I'm glad of being a member of the european left together with you guys! Revolutionaries of the world unit!
haslsteiner 3 years ago
Sinnfull fein Brit killers and NAZI scum. LOL Sinn Fein you did not win Ulster is British you NAZI scum. Sinnful fein friend of the American neocons enemy of Europe fuck off and die evil Sinnfull Fein NAZI pricks. LOOL Ulster is British and allways will be. I hate you cunts.
zzxzqwq 3 years ago
maybe if you learn to write or make sense you could put an intellgent response forward
a05bf5ff 3 years ago
You evil people have voted for evil. The necons have fixed the vote. All the evidence Sinnfull fein are satanic murders fuck you.
zzxzqwq 3 years ago
Ireland and Scotland should be freed from England's grip. I say this being a mixture of all three nationalities.
jamesesitton2nd 3 years ago 2
fuck off
oranjjjj 2 years ago
Wow very intelligent response. Its nice to see that imperialists have no brains :P
jamesesitton2nd 2 years ago
The party which will allow islam to flourish as they would not want to be seen as oppressing them and equally promote women and miniority rights hardly compatible. Trying to be a party of all people which is not possible.
1ibrequebec 3 years ago
so we should oppress islam to ensure freedom?
a05bf5ff 3 years ago
Eh what the fuck are you on about,.
zzxzqwq 3 years ago
a05bf5ff - depends what you mean by oppress and freedom. Does a responsible society allow freedom to hate? in my view islam as a poltical entity is another form of oppression. Do you want to substitute one form of oppression with another? If you want to live in a society which values women's,animal,individual,children and religious rights then be concerned about the increasing power of islam globally or if not live in a society where sharia law is enforced. nationalism is incomptbl with islam
1ibrequebec 3 years ago
no mate while i don't neccessarily agree with the fundamentalist side of islam in the way they treat women etc. i believe every one has the right to believe what they want.governments should be secular and free of religious influence. it is important to remember that the strict interpretations of the bible is similar to the koran. not all muslims are psycophaths but this is the image we are most familiar with in the media.
a05bf5ff 3 years ago 2
that won't happen does any one know that the irish government has a hi way plan that happens to go right over the hill of tara bull dosing a historic site? why?
the goal is harder then you think sadly here in canada movement to make things better hurt others equality is hard thing to maintain
best of luck to the land ansestors of my kin come from
AlderTheKitty 3 years ago
i see you're from ulster, then. are you one of those "northern irish"...fill in the rest
usulkane 3 years ago
Good, just get rid of the diddleyeye music
Winterlord2 3 years ago
Mo leithscéal, tá sé faighte agam anois! Maith sibh!
Domhnall32 4 years ago
are you two speaking klingon??
thomas242007 3 years ago
there is another world outside the u.s. mate. educate yourself.
a05bf5ff 3 years ago
Cá bhfuil an leagan Gaeilge??? Tut tut tut!
Domhnall32 4 years ago
Maith thu
DaithiRFB 4 years ago
excellent
michael1916 4 years ago
Iontach maith!
arabianstory 4 years ago
Very well done.. don't like the diddleyeye music though
DigitalDublin 4 years ago
Class.
em06yeha 4 years ago