This opening isn't any good. It's overly passive, and pushing the c or f pawns weakens the e or d pawns. A general rule of thumb is when you fianchetto on one side, the center pawn closest to that side (e or d) stays put in the opening. Your opening is a bastardization of hypermodernism.
@MyChessVideos Not necessarily. Jrobi was just playing very passively. Pawn storms can be dangerously aggressive and the way I have been playing, I use c4 as a decoy queen side pawn storm and quickly switch to a king side pawn storm after my opponent has rushed his pieces to defend (or vice versa with f4). This doesn't have to be hypermodern. Our goal is to flank, rush and attack, not control the center. That being said, we should explore the a3 and h3 squares to assist our rushes and attacks.
@MyChessVideos and just a side note, because there is a flexibility to in which side we want to pawn storm, I would recommend to push the king up eventually to connect the rooks, and thus have a rook at each side to support. We don't have to castle. Anybody who has studied systems like the london system would know this. Jrobi castled king side is his first game which kind of forced his to push queen side. We want a pincer attack, not an underdeveloped pawn storm.
In the second game, at 24:57 your opponent made a blunder and placed his queen on d6 attacking your pawn. But then you had the brilliant move, pawn to b5.
From there if your opponent takes with his c pawn you take his rook, if that doesn't happen and he takes with his a pawn you retake, and now even if he doesen't take you still have the open a file to work with.
Further being the piece up liquidation would certainly be favourable. After that f5 would break up the Black defence (with the Rooks poorly placed and restricted by the Knight and pawn to defend at all. Combined with the Queen well placed on the diagonal and the Rook on f1 Black would probably be forced to play a weakening move like ...f6. Then Qc4 gives the Queen another active diagonal. If instead of ...Ne4, ...Ne6 then f5 straight away and again the Queen and the Rook are well placed.
19:50 I thought f4 would have been a better move, gaining initiative on the Knight. It does create a backward e pawn but Black has no good ways of exploiting that, especially with no dark square bishop. If ...Ne4 then Bxe4 dxe4, and Black has an isolated e pawn with no good ways to defend it.
I've played this a few times online and the resulting games were very fun! I won more than I lost, and that's awesome for a relatively new player like me.
@pedroca2424 It's a repetitive check he had no choice with eh draw had to accept. If you check a certain amount of times in a row or repeat the position its a draw
It is a nice idea to go for military tactics... but you should stay with it and dont switch to typical chess tactics. for example: bishop takes knight (Bb2xf6)... this attack goes through the middle... ^^
This opening was not Jrobi that invented it. This opening was invented/created by PAFU, and it is called The Begginers Game. See the site -> beginnersgame com
@Kallahad I was pointed to this document after the videos and it does look at the position. However, the vast majority of black moves are mirror moves for a lot of the document that wouldn't be played in actual games. In the other Pincer videos I explore move orders utilizing Rybka coupled with feedback from very strong players, resulting in the new lines shown. Thanks for checking out the vid!
You know what jrobi , I actually use to like shape the pawns back when I first started playing chess ( now its been 8 months ) , knights and bishop and I come up with this . So I actually "made" this structure , but my difference was I fianchetto my bishop but all the way from B3 to G3 I fill up with my pawns so I make a wall of defense and I used to call it great wall of defense lol . If I play correctly I can defend very well . Can u try my defense and post it maybe ? Nice Video
This is a very interesting position. Note that the game you won forced you to move your pawn up to e4 though. I've seen quite a few early flank lovers play that position to much effect. You should try crunching it with e4, d3 rather than e3 and see what happens. I suppose though the obvious flaw with that is that an attack on e4 could force you out of your desired position, but that's chess. I'm sure I could find plenty of attacks which prevent the e3 setup from being constructed as well.
It's similar, but with white you get the first move, changing the dynamics of the strategy completely. Now it's white pressing into the position, and with that extra move white can launch into aggressive play sooner than what you can do with black. Also the hippo defence tends to have more passive pawn moves. Thanks for checking out the vid!
I like that the C and F files are the next move after set up 16:42. This makes for a strong F file with a quick king's castle . The and the F file is defensive at 22:25. Thank you for this. I have learned a lot, especialy terms like stone wall and felencedo (not shure about the spelling) B-b2 or B-g2. Really stepped up my game
This seems interesting, but tactics used in war, like hammer-and-anvil or the pincer movement, doesn't work well in chess. That WAS my opinion. This video completely opened my mind. I just think:how is this possible? A symmetric position, with many ways to attack. It looks maybe a bit of "noobish", but it's effective if played right, like you did. Maybe the best strategy of the 21st century?
This system is interesting. The knights on e2 and d2 are in somewhat of an odd place, but as the position opens up a bit this seems to turn out decently. The biggest boon this system has is that it is quite out of the book, so the opponent will have to do his/her thinking over the board.
There are some mates in 2 in that position, but they require white to make a wrong move. The fastest forced mate in that position (that I could find) is 1. ... Qa5+ 2. Kf1 Ra1+ 3. ... Qa2#
Very similar to the Hippo but with some differences in tempo (i.e. white gets to the position sooner resulting in different positions overall). I find the Hippo games to be much more passive in terms of the person playing the strategy. Usually there are more passive pawn moves. Thanks for checking out the vid!
I played this opening once now and got a draw on playchess(dotcom), not a bad opening, had my opponent confused that i wasn't doing the normal thing of pushing to control the center. But what do I know I've been playing for a year. I like this one though it's fun to play.
no offence but i used to play these exact opening moves before i started playing chess in a club and there they convinced me this is totally wrong to start the game with. One of the main reasons is that there is know pawn in the center and this is one of the three golden rules in chess. Always get one in the center because the main attacking lines go through the center
That's incorrect - there has been no substantial opening exploration of this from white. It is similar to the Hippo Defence from black, but white has the opening move which changes the nature of the game. Similar to how the Bird's and Dutch Defence create different play from the same move in my opinion. Different goals, strategies, etc.
at 10:16 after he moves his queen to the 8th rank couldnt you go b5-b7 check then take the rook after he escapes check i dont see how he could save his rook
In the first game following b2xf6, e7xf6, you could move a1-c1. If Black pushes f6-b2 then c1-c2 followed by d2-b1, d1-c1 if Black moves to a3. Adding tension to the c file.
no disrespect mate but if anyone used this opening at my Club they would get crushed! I used to play this opening when i was a beginner and got crushed most of the time so gave it up for French and the Bishops opening
Are you retarded? Do you fancy yourself an anagogic military thinker? The most basic formation in warfare is a straight line. Also if I was especially sweat I would highlight that listing Greeks, Romans and then Napoleon comes across as silly.
Everybody is of course untrue, not everbody used a pincer formation.
10:18 you should have played queen to b7 for check then took the rook. Then, it's game over. that would've been a better display of your opening working, i suppose!
I played a handful of games with this yesterday. I think it was as unpleasant for my opponent as it was for me (neither of us knew what we were doing). Should we send you games even if they have some nasty blunders?
Absolutely - I want to look over as many as possible - even if it's just leading up to a blunder. I agree 100% about what you said about people not knowing what to do - it creates positions that just don't resemble the more staple opening lines. Thanks for checking out the vid and posting some feedback!
Thrtashing this out in blitz games allday, defeintely leads to sharp positions, rybka reckons on equality in opening. when the centre opens blacks position can be slightly better, as captured pawns sometimes only reflect 0.3-0.7 in material. Great idea for video. Merry Xmas jrobi.
The positions it creates are very fun to play from what I have experienced so far. I agree with your comment on the center - I think the break that white will play needs to be well thought out in regards to how it will impact the black pieces influences on the center. With some line development this will be something that will become easier to plan out. Merry x-mas as well!
Online blitz rating is horribly low - I use it to try things out - generally hovers around 1200. Standard is much higher but for that I default to my last posted standard video. Thanks for checking out the vid!
It's more versatile that what you're saying. For example, if the bishops are blocked on one diagonal, they can access the one right above or below to help get them into the attack. As for the center, a number of openings allow the opponent to have a larger center in return for more flank opportunities. There is also the pawn thrust supported by knights and the bishops on the C and F files.
hi jrobi thx for the vid, i appreciate the work you do. but if i may comment, twelve and a half minutes into your video i was a bit annoyed by your first game - i think u were a bit careless first losing a pawn (to give opponent passed pawn), and i thought u were lucky to get a perpetual (opponent could have won with accurate play in the end, Q+R) - it's a very controversial comment but i felt i had to speak out. but thx for posting nonetheless. merry xmas!
Ran it a few times tonight before bed... it is indeed interesting. One thing i did notice is that your D and E pawns can become a weak point rather quickly allowing your oponent to rip into the center of your position if you arent careful.
love the videos jrobi, but you lost some points with me when u used the term 'irregardless' at 3:56... I don't know why, but that particular non-word really boths me.
anyways, thanks for the vids, they've been helping me a great deal
Even Webster's says that this bastardized fusion of 'regardless' and 'irresepective' has only come to be accepted as a word in speech because so many people use it. Its not that I have a problem with the invention of new words based on popular usage in general, it's just that this particular one adds no value. What does 'irregardless' say that 'regardless' and irrespective' don't already?
I am hoping so - it will be very important for building lines. I will be sharing a line I built using Rybka to help, but definitely more human games will be needed. The large databases I have don't have anything either. Thanks for checking out the vid and have a great x-mas B!
Ive tried it several times today in blitz matches and i think its a fairly good system . The best part about it is indeed that it just brings wild uncommon positions. Also according to the chess site i play at its called the mieses opening. Later this week i will probably try some longer games with it and ill send them to you.
Thanks for checking out the vid bleek! The mieses opening simply refers to D3 and not the lines that I go over in the pincer attack. Kind of like how NF3 could be Reti, King's Indian, etc. No database has lines similar to what I go over which is why I am hoping to get a lot sent in. I also agree with you about the positions it creates - definitely interesting. Have a great x-mas!
It's helped tremendously, especially since I don't have a club locally with strong players. Pretty much everything I have learned has been because of the help and feedback of subscribers along with the research I do before making my videos.
Most say FinCHEtto but I had a native Italian speaker tell me early on when I was learning the game that the actual correct pronounciation was FianKKeto - which has stuck with me to this day. Thanks for checking out the vid!
Unfortunately I am not close to a local club of established players. There is one in a nearby city, so I am going to be looking to get into some tournament play. The main tournaments are listed as open to everyone, but I have yet to meet an organizer who isn't trying to get a certain established rating first. Going to explore that more indepth and see what happens. Thanks for checking out the vid!
First game i played with this looked sharp. Nice opening, Interesting analysis on how to open the centre up, as this could be relevent. Thanks for the post.
I like the extra tempo with white so far, granted it doesn't strive for an early advantage but it has definitely been creating some interesting positions in my games. Thanks for checking it out Brian!
I was thinking about the second game where you could not fianchetto the bishop. I think if you play d4 then there is no need for the bishop on the b2-h8 diagonal, because the bishop is blocked in. Im Just trying to relate it to the closed sicilian. where getting the bishop closed in is not preferred sometimes there are mainlines with it if you want to play positionally. You could seek solutions in case you bishops are hammed in
I am going to be taking a long look at an early G6 by black and try to figure out how to get the dual setup without sacrificing material strength. I agree about the blocked bishop but I also like it's flexibility to jump to the diagonal above or below quickly as well. Thanks for checking out the vid!
It's similar, but different with the extra tempo white has. Also, not as many pawns are pushed to the second rank in the Pincer Attack. Thanks for checking out the vid!
This reminds me of the London Classic game I have just video annotated where Carlsen had the two fianchettoed bishops, and then later cracked open Kramnik's position with f4. I think the English opening often has this idea of the pincer attack. But the Carlsen game has the "bit in the middle" you mention - as well as the attacks from the sides. I think the English opening with c4 does try and give White immediate central control on d5 and more pressure on the light squares. Great video concept!
But with my hopeless chess skills I think that this position would be too difficult for me to play off. It probably does offer a surprise advantage against some weathered players, but those would crunch me anyway, no matter what I played :)
For a novice, I think it's difficult to come out of such non-specific opening.
hmm what client or chess site you play on? specially the one on the vid
ChessMustard 2 weeks ago
I thought chess died like a long time ago. Guess not. Nerds.
Drpatrick777 3 weeks ago
This opening isn't any good. It's overly passive, and pushing the c or f pawns weakens the e or d pawns. A general rule of thumb is when you fianchetto on one side, the center pawn closest to that side (e or d) stays put in the opening. Your opening is a bastardization of hypermodernism.
MyChessVideos 3 weeks ago 2
@MyChessVideos Not necessarily. Jrobi was just playing very passively. Pawn storms can be dangerously aggressive and the way I have been playing, I use c4 as a decoy queen side pawn storm and quickly switch to a king side pawn storm after my opponent has rushed his pieces to defend (or vice versa with f4). This doesn't have to be hypermodern. Our goal is to flank, rush and attack, not control the center. That being said, we should explore the a3 and h3 squares to assist our rushes and attacks.
blazethesecond 3 weeks ago
@MyChessVideos and just a side note, because there is a flexibility to in which side we want to pawn storm, I would recommend to push the king up eventually to connect the rooks, and thus have a rook at each side to support. We don't have to castle. Anybody who has studied systems like the london system would know this. Jrobi castled king side is his first game which kind of forced his to push queen side. We want a pincer attack, not an underdeveloped pawn storm.
blazethesecond 3 weeks ago
In the second game, at 24:57 your opponent made a blunder and placed his queen on d6 attacking your pawn. But then you had the brilliant move, pawn to b5.
From there if your opponent takes with his c pawn you take his rook, if that doesn't happen and he takes with his a pawn you retake, and now even if he doesen't take you still have the open a file to work with.
And surely enough you have a workable position.
Probably mate in 2-3.
poboinika94 3 months ago
10:14 QxA6!!!
asdf1221asdf1221 4 months ago
@asdf1221asdf1221 I agree this is a total blunder that should have won the rook.
blitz2k6 2 months ago
That missed mate is haunting O_O
TheXenoyr 5 months ago
Further being the piece up liquidation would certainly be favourable. After that f5 would break up the Black defence (with the Rooks poorly placed and restricted by the Knight and pawn to defend at all. Combined with the Queen well placed on the diagonal and the Rook on f1 Black would probably be forced to play a weakening move like ...f6. Then Qc4 gives the Queen another active diagonal. If instead of ...Ne4, ...Ne6 then f5 straight away and again the Queen and the Rook are well placed.
okihelena 7 months ago
19:50 I thought f4 would have been a better move, gaining initiative on the Knight. It does create a backward e pawn but Black has no good ways of exploiting that, especially with no dark square bishop. If ...Ne4 then Bxe4 dxe4, and Black has an isolated e pawn with no good ways to defend it.
okihelena 7 months ago
why didnt you take the rook .. lol
Dainius7733 7 months ago
I've played this a few times online and the resulting games were very fun! I won more than I lost, and that's awesome for a relatively new player like me.
purplefloyd1739 8 months ago
I used to play this years ago, before i even knew what openings were.
TinyJoe0077 8 months ago
Did anyone comment about how he let the opponent 'fork' him? lol... yeah... he 'forked' you good..
weldie 8 months ago
wow your bad
warnie2121 8 months ago
you could have taken the rook at 10:12
Cookdog21 9 months ago
Lol at first game you had like 6 seconds left and he accept the draw?
pedroca2424 1 year ago
@pedroca2424 It's a repetitive check he had no choice with eh draw had to accept. If you check a certain amount of times in a row or repeat the position its a draw
adhdboy699 11 months ago
lol, i had rybka play with itself from a variety of positions 1:20
samuelbodansky2 1 year ago
would it be useful to open with this attack as black ?
MoneyManUK 1 year ago
why dont you hitted the check by 10 :14 (Qb7) and then got the rook?
XegulGoldherz 1 year ago
42 minutes o_o
ClubManOfficial 1 year ago
Lot's of blunders in this game by both sides by thanks for the video nonetheless.
Seirnflow26 1 year ago
"I let my opponent f**k me.." ;)
JacobBrandt2 1 year ago
Man, at 10:12 you had a free rook with Qb7+
Averagebum2 1 year ago
It seems like you haven't made any videos about the Pincer Attack for almost a year. Have you made any discoveries lately?
uzy5o 1 year ago
in 20:30 i think f4 would be a good move since it gives extra support to the well placed knight. but great game anyways
machpuncher 1 year ago
Bigtime blunder at 10:19
OrleansChris 1 year ago
how can u tell if ur playing a computer???
badassreinitz 1 year ago
What if your opponent mirror your moves? is it still gonna work???
mielord21 1 year ago
10 27 check take rook wow
guitarfella581 1 year ago
lala al
magicpillow25 1 year ago
pawn to a4 was a terrible move i said to myself as i crunched it
but you caught it ive played this opening a few times still trying to make it useful
ur4n1um 1 year ago
d4 man
sshamron 1 year ago
why didnt you take the rook when he moved his queen
MadSnowmen 1 year ago
at 10:13 after 1. ...Qd8?? ...his rook is dropped! and you completely missed it....
AND at 11:51 1. Qh8# !!
GoGoAqua928 1 year ago
First game towands the end you missed a fork check with king and rook falls
bebkoaces 1 year ago
It is a nice idea to go for military tactics... but you should stay with it and dont switch to typical chess tactics. for example: bishop takes knight (Bb2xf6)... this attack goes through the middle... ^^
KrzOstr 1 year ago
Lol Qxa6 at 10:15
jewbinson 1 year ago
35:18 Why not after B-d5 and Q-d6 Q-f3?
KillerPawn2 1 year ago
on 10:13 why didnt oyu simply took the rook on a6 with queen?
xXstealseekerXx 1 year ago
10:13 missed free rook on a6 (Qxa6).
KillerPawn2 1 year ago
Looks similar to the Reti System
megaton12 1 year ago
This opening was not Jrobi that invented it. This opening was invented/created by PAFU, and it is called The Begginers Game. See the site -> beginnersgame com
Kallahad 1 year ago
@Kallahad I was pointed to this document after the videos and it does look at the position. However, the vast majority of black moves are mirror moves for a lot of the document that wouldn't be played in actual games. In the other Pincer videos I explore move orders utilizing Rybka coupled with feedback from very strong players, resulting in the new lines shown. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 1 year ago
@jrobichess
You know what jrobi , I actually use to like shape the pawns back when I first started playing chess ( now its been 8 months ) , knights and bishop and I come up with this . So I actually "made" this structure , but my difference was I fianchetto my bishop but all the way from B3 to G3 I fill up with my pawns so I make a wall of defense and I used to call it great wall of defense lol . If I play correctly I can defend very well . Can u try my defense and post it maybe ? Nice Video
rockmanmegamanfan 1 year ago
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rockmanmegamanfan 1 year ago
@jrobichess man every amateur tried that even i,, but it sucks as white you need to pressure the opponent...
dragonheadofthewest 11 months ago
@Kallahad In the first game, you missed QxR and Qh8 mate! Nevertheless, you were losing way before you missed those.
ssouvey 5 months ago
This is a very interesting position. Note that the game you won forced you to move your pawn up to e4 though. I've seen quite a few early flank lovers play that position to much effect. You should try crunching it with e4, d3 rather than e3 and see what happens. I suppose though the obvious flaw with that is that an attack on e4 could force you out of your desired position, but that's chess. I'm sure I could find plenty of attacks which prevent the e3 setup from being constructed as well.
AAWulf 1 year ago
that was interesting. Thanks
noxtradamentus 1 year ago
the pincer attack looks awfully similar to the hippopotamus defense, i saw it on chess.k0m. is that a "real" opening?
spbighi0 1 year ago
It's similar, but with white you get the first move, changing the dynamics of the strategy completely. Now it's white pressing into the position, and with that extra move white can launch into aggressive play sooner than what you can do with black. Also the hippo defence tends to have more passive pawn moves. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 1 year ago
@jrobichess but you are other videos aint so bad.. but this opening really sux honestly man
dragonheadofthewest 11 months ago
If you had seen the mate at 11:49 your opponent's facial expression would have been priceless.
F2L4Life 2 years ago
This opening can really come in handy for my school tournament. It'll be a surprise opening, and they won't adjust very quickly. I like it!
TheUltimateGamers101 2 years ago
ive won 2 in a row with this opening on yahoo chess haha
boombox602 2 years ago 2
and you had mate on h8 at 11:49 too
Mdl013 2 years ago 28
why didnt you check on b7 and take rook at 10:14 ?
Mdl013 2 years ago 30
maybe he didn't see it cause its a blitz game you don't even have time to think! :D
poboinika94 3 months ago
kinda hyper modern
alex49carson 2 years ago
hey you just offered the centre ground with that possition !!!
dobsondale 2 years ago
I like that the C and F files are the next move after set up 16:42. This makes for a strong F file with a quick king's castle . The and the F file is defensive at 22:25. Thank you for this. I have learned a lot, especialy terms like stone wall and felencedo (not shure about the spelling) B-b2 or B-g2. Really stepped up my game
Chaxar 2 years ago
at 10:13 when black moved the queen to d8 you should have checked with white queen to b7 and taken the rook.
NadeemOwais 2 years ago
This seems interesting, but tactics used in war, like hammer-and-anvil or the pincer movement, doesn't work well in chess. That WAS my opinion. This video completely opened my mind. I just think:how is this possible? A symmetric position, with many ways to attack. It looks maybe a bit of "noobish", but it's effective if played right, like you did. Maybe the best strategy of the 21st century?
TheRoopeKonna 2 years ago
yeah kiegan i was thinking the same
JNSvideos 2 years ago
whats wrong with qxa6@10:15? isnt it en prise?
kieganB 2 years ago
This system is interesting. The knights on e2 and d2 are in somewhat of an odd place, but as the position opens up a bit this seems to turn out decently. The biggest boon this system has is that it is quite out of the book, so the opponent will have to do his/her thinking over the board.
Elorviat 2 years ago
11:32 Black has Mate in 2? please reply
PIFbg 2 years ago
@PIFbg
There are some mates in 2 in that position, but they require white to make a wrong move. The fastest forced mate in that position (that I could find) is 1. ... Qa5+ 2. Kf1 Ra1+ 3. ... Qa2#
Elorviat 2 years ago
42:49 WOWOWOWOWOW
DEO541 2 years ago
I play this all the time didn't know it had a name. It is a Hippopotamus opening as white. Learn a lot watching hippo games.
Philip2057 2 years ago
Very similar to the Hippo but with some differences in tempo (i.e. white gets to the position sooner resulting in different positions overall). I find the Hippo games to be much more passive in terms of the person playing the strategy. Usually there are more passive pawn moves. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
@jrobichess
Also the difference is that I use that as both , white and black . This video is very helpful for me , like any other of yours . Have a nice day
rockmanmegamanfan 1 year ago
I played this opening once now and got a draw on playchess(dotcom), not a bad opening, had my opponent confused that i wasn't doing the normal thing of pushing to control the center. But what do I know I've been playing for a year. I like this one though it's fun to play.
xxxIronLeexxx 2 years ago
11:29 Black has a mate in five, but he missed it by playing Qa5+ a move later.
Voiceoftheunheard 2 years ago
no offence but i used to play these exact opening moves before i started playing chess in a club and there they convinced me this is totally wrong to start the game with. One of the main reasons is that there is know pawn in the center and this is one of the three golden rules in chess. Always get one in the center because the main attacking lines go through the center
medra1980 2 years ago
At 10:17, Qb7+ wins the rook.
blackbtty123 2 years ago 3
Yup... i think u were too rushed for time or something, that game was yours right there...
Dracklen248 2 years ago
sure but he couldve just taken the rook without checking first..
DestroyerOx 2 years ago
You could have just taken the rook on the move when your timeclock said 1:12 jrobi.
lifestyleniall 2 years ago
42 minutes omg
KylePetersJones 2 years ago
this was analyzed already way back, this is nothing else than a reverse hedgehog
affiliate30 2 years ago
am sorry I meant to say a reverse hippo
affiliate30 2 years ago
That's incorrect - there has been no substantial opening exploration of this from white. It is similar to the Hippo Defence from black, but white has the opening move which changes the nature of the game. Similar to how the Bird's and Dutch Defence create different play from the same move in my opinion. Different goals, strategies, etc.
jrobichess 2 years ago
at 10:16 after he moves his queen to the 8th rank couldnt you go b5-b7 check then take the rook after he escapes check i dont see how he could save his rook
bukojuko 2 years ago
yeah, i saw that too. Don't know why he did not do it.
beheritage 2 years ago
@bukojuko
The rook can be taken outright.
calvinhobbesliker2 2 years ago
woah, that was brilliant
Iakosa 2 years ago
hmjungs aus De? Bin total einsam wer hat lust zu schreibn
Cindyhaacka 2 years ago
Sorry, d1-c2 not d1-c1 lol.
Catsfaith 2 years ago
In the first game following b2xf6, e7xf6, you could move a1-c1. If Black pushes f6-b2 then c1-c2 followed by d2-b1, d1-c1 if Black moves to a3. Adding tension to the c file.
Catsfaith 2 years ago
Kingscrusher has posted a video in which he defeats a grandmaster on ICC using a pincer attack formation.
jrobichess 2 years ago
I enjoyed this video a lot. :P
That passed pawn really caused some trouble it seems. :P
saifrizwan 2 years ago
no disrespect mate but if anyone used this opening at my Club they would get crushed! I used to play this opening when i was a beginner and got crushed most of the time so gave it up for French and the Bishops opening
rab631 2 years ago
The Pincer movement was used by the Germans in WW2
rab631 2 years ago
in tank warfare
rab631 2 years ago
The Pincer has been used for thousands of years. Greeks, Romans, Napoleon, everybody. It's the most basic formation in warfare.
ShotDownInFlames2 2 years ago
Are you retarded? Do you fancy yourself an anagogic military thinker? The most basic formation in warfare is a straight line. Also if I was especially sweat I would highlight that listing Greeks, Romans and then Napoleon comes across as silly.
Everybody is of course untrue, not everbody used a pincer formation.
OmnipotentGodOfAll 2 years ago
at 10:14 with Qb7+ you could've won that rook :P
Gregoire888 2 years ago 3
@Gregoire888 yeah saw it to, can't believe he mist it
solidturckie 2 years ago
10:18 you should have played queen to b7 for check then took the rook. Then, it's game over. that would've been a better display of your opening working, i suppose!
okgo1fan 2 years ago
Was a bit distracted at the end of that one and missed getting the rook and even a mate. =)
jrobichess 2 years ago
was midgame. the opportunity was only available due to the blunder the opponent made. too bad jrobi missed it :(.
seems like a fun opening though :D
gillesva51 2 years ago
I played a handful of games with this yesterday. I think it was as unpleasant for my opponent as it was for me (neither of us knew what we were doing). Should we send you games even if they have some nasty blunders?
richyjr2000 2 years ago
Absolutely - I want to look over as many as possible - even if it's just leading up to a blunder. I agree 100% about what you said about people not knowing what to do - it creates positions that just don't resemble the more staple opening lines. Thanks for checking out the vid and posting some feedback!
jrobichess 2 years ago
Could you estimate your ranking?
columbinestylekilla2 2 years ago
Thrtashing this out in blitz games allday, defeintely leads to sharp positions, rybka reckons on equality in opening. when the centre opens blacks position can be slightly better, as captured pawns sometimes only reflect 0.3-0.7 in material. Great idea for video. Merry Xmas jrobi.
Myleanne14 2 years ago
The positions it creates are very fun to play from what I have experienced so far. I agree with your comment on the center - I think the break that white will play needs to be well thought out in regards to how it will impact the black pieces influences on the center. With some line development this will be something that will become easier to plan out. Merry x-mas as well!
jrobichess 2 years ago
Yes, good point. lets have a look at line development on this progression.
Myleanne14 2 years ago
just a question what are your online blitz rateings jrobi
mitchmersa 2 years ago
Online blitz rating is horribly low - I use it to try things out - generally hovers around 1200. Standard is much higher but for that I default to my last posted standard video. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
owch that means all my ratings are horribly low online ...if only i had a rateing at my local bar .i would be a grand master there ha ha ha
mitchmersa 2 years ago
It gets better - I started in the 800's hehe.
jrobichess 2 years ago
your first oponent had mat in 3 i think
11:27
Kaprije1 2 years ago
Yes he/she definitely did. =)
jrobichess 2 years ago
this isn't a good structure as white is cramped the fiancettos are blocked and white has small center control meaning he is open for an attack.
jmkba 2 years ago
It's more versatile that what you're saying. For example, if the bishops are blocked on one diagonal, they can access the one right above or below to help get them into the attack. As for the center, a number of openings allow the opponent to have a larger center in return for more flank opportunities. There is also the pawn thrust supported by knights and the bishops on the C and F files.
jrobichess 2 years ago
hi jrobi thx for the vid, i appreciate the work you do. but if i may comment, twelve and a half minutes into your video i was a bit annoyed by your first game - i think u were a bit careless first losing a pawn (to give opponent passed pawn), and i thought u were lucky to get a perpetual (opponent could have won with accurate play in the end, Q+R) - it's a very controversial comment but i felt i had to speak out. but thx for posting nonetheless. merry xmas!
chessfanatic 2 years ago
I got a little distracted in the first and last game but that was okay with me - it was a good distraction. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
10:15 take the rook?
Keri1337 2 years ago
Ran it a few times tonight before bed... it is indeed interesting. One thing i did notice is that your D and E pawns can become a weak point rather quickly allowing your oponent to rip into the center of your position if you arent careful.
eschrick7 2 years ago
then again what do i know :P
eschrick7 2 years ago
Definitely have to be careful when planning the attack. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
love the videos jrobi, but you lost some points with me when u used the term 'irregardless' at 3:56... I don't know why, but that particular non-word really boths me.
anyways, thanks for the vids, they've been helping me a great deal
1emart1 2 years ago
Check Websters.
jrobichess 2 years ago
Even Webster's says that this bastardized fusion of 'regardless' and 'irresepective' has only come to be accepted as a word in speech because so many people use it. Its not that I have a problem with the invention of new words based on popular usage in general, it's just that this particular one adds no value. What does 'irregardless' say that 'regardless' and irrespective' don't already?
1emart1 2 years ago
Language evolves/changes over time. As you found out though - it's there and legit. Have a great x-mas! =)
jrobichess 2 years ago
I tried searching the games on the same lines in database ...but suprisingly I coudn't fine any .
Now, many ppl after watching this video will start playing on this lines online ... looks like it would be interesting ...
babaikaushik 2 years ago
I am hoping so - it will be very important for building lines. I will be sharing a line I built using Rybka to help, but definitely more human games will be needed. The large databases I have don't have anything either. Thanks for checking out the vid and have a great x-mas B!
jrobichess 2 years ago
oh.....crap!!!!!
extremeplayerz 2 years ago
i think you have made the most posts and this was your longest video by far i think but good
MrMarson123456 2 years ago
Thanks for checking it out M!
jrobichess 2 years ago
Ive tried it several times today in blitz matches and i think its a fairly good system . The best part about it is indeed that it just brings wild uncommon positions. Also according to the chess site i play at its called the mieses opening. Later this week i will probably try some longer games with it and ill send them to you.
bleek18 2 years ago
Thanks for checking out the vid bleek! The mieses opening simply refers to D3 and not the lines that I go over in the pincer attack. Kind of like how NF3 could be Reti, King's Indian, etc. No database has lines similar to what I go over which is why I am hoping to get a lot sent in. I also agree with you about the positions it creates - definitely interesting. Have a great x-mas!
jrobichess 2 years ago
at 11:50 there was an easy checkmate when his king was on h6 and your queen was on e6 - you could have moved h8!
warthog212 2 years ago
hey Jrobi. how much do u think u have progressed in skill or knowledge since u started posting on youtube?
880330145789 2 years ago
It's helped tremendously, especially since I don't have a club locally with strong players. Pretty much everything I have learned has been because of the help and feedback of subscribers along with the research I do before making my videos.
jrobichess 2 years ago
@jrobichess it helps the viewers too ^^ like me
880330145789 2 years ago
How do you say fianchetto in Canadian?
norb1937 2 years ago
Most say FinCHEtto but I had a native Italian speaker tell me early on when I was learning the game that the actual correct pronounciation was FianKKeto - which has stuck with me to this day. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
hey jrobi, i started using your opening today and I really like it. im not very good (1300 rating) but it seems to be working out really well for me!
dangerousDAM 2 years ago
That's awesome DD! Thanks for checking out the vid! Send me any games you think would be good to look over.
jrobichess 2 years ago
10:14, check on b7 gives u the rook
Jumbomasters 2 years ago
@Jumbomasters didint even need to check to win the rook. it was undefended
880330145789 2 years ago
ahh i see that now lol
Jumbomasters 2 years ago
Great to see something different. Maybe it could be said that you're thinking outside the box.
Looks like something fun to try out.
Thanks J
qwoowu 2 years ago
Thanks Q - I appreciate the feedback! Have an awesome x-mas!
jrobichess 2 years ago
YOUR COOL! AND AWESOME.... do you ever enter tournaments? i bet you would win :)
lambokun 2 years ago
Unfortunately I am not close to a local club of established players. There is one in a nearby city, so I am going to be looking to get into some tournament play. The main tournaments are listed as open to everyone, but I have yet to meet an organizer who isn't trying to get a certain established rating first. Going to explore that more indepth and see what happens. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
what software is this? and is this on the FICS server?
mustafaupk 2 years ago
You bet - freechess server with babbas client. I have a video on how to get it setup as a reply to this one. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
At 7:18 why not Qe2 instead of a5?
Sheendude 2 years ago
At 10:14 Qb7+ wins the rook!
Voiceoftheunheard 2 years ago
At 8:11 black can take the pawn at a5, and when bxa5 black takes the rook at b1 producing check and winning a pawn, also opening up the position.
Hey jrobi could you consider breaking up a video like this into smaller chunks in the future?
Voiceoftheunheard 2 years ago
I've heard of doing an opening like this, only I call it a "fortress".
Voiceoftheunheard 2 years ago
First game i played with this looked sharp. Nice opening, Interesting analysis on how to open the centre up, as this could be relevent. Thanks for the post.
Myleanne14 2 years ago
Thanks for checking it out and posting your response vid - I enjoyed it. Have a great x-mas!
jrobichess 2 years ago
ive played against this style a lot. controlling the center is usually pretty solid ive found (playing against this)...
not a high level player or anything though
fig87 2 years ago
at 23 54 u should have taken the pawn with the knight
sutomaraj 2 years ago
Funny. I've been using that opening for six months. Now everyone is going to know it. Thnx alot. JK.
stormc1nd3r 2 years ago
10:14 you can take the rook it's undefended. cool vid, great that you try openings like these and post them online
bassieeee7 2 years ago
Yeah got a bit distracted there and then missed that plus another great move shortly after. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
Duncan Suttles' Rat Defense, mentioned in How To PLay Chess Like An Animal. Spassky played it twice against Petrosian.
BrianWallChess 2 years ago
Duncan Suttles - A fellow Canuck! =)
I like the extra tempo with white so far, granted it doesn't strive for an early advantage but it has definitely been creating some interesting positions in my games. Thanks for checking it out Brian!
jrobichess 2 years ago
Hey JRobi, thx for the video, never tire of watching your chess moves!
heraclitus44 2 years ago
Thanks heraclitus!
jrobichess 2 years ago
10:14 qb2 winning rook havn't finished watching yet but i noticed that first game.
PtolemysGambit 2 years ago
At 10:14 black's rook is hanging. You have taken with Qxa6
Mr152008 2 years ago
I was thinking about the second game where you could not fianchetto the bishop. I think if you play d4 then there is no need for the bishop on the b2-h8 diagonal, because the bishop is blocked in. Im Just trying to relate it to the closed sicilian. where getting the bishop closed in is not preferred sometimes there are mainlines with it if you want to play positionally. You could seek solutions in case you bishops are hammed in
cuevasdecamuy 2 years ago
I am going to be taking a long look at an early G6 by black and try to figure out how to get the dual setup without sacrificing material strength. I agree about the blocked bishop but I also like it's flexibility to jump to the diagonal above or below quickly as well. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
at 11:50 you had Qh8++
MD3c0 2 years ago
Yeah I was a bit distracted there and missed some good moves. =)
jrobichess 2 years ago
As mentioned before by others, this structure (if used by Black) is called the Hippo Defence.
LosAztecas 2 years ago
It's similar, but different with the extra tempo white has. Also, not as many pawns are pushed to the second rank in the Pincer Attack. Thanks for checking out the vid!
jrobichess 2 years ago
This reminds me of the London Classic game I have just video annotated where Carlsen had the two fianchettoed bishops, and then later cracked open Kramnik's position with f4. I think the English opening often has this idea of the pincer attack. But the Carlsen game has the "bit in the middle" you mention - as well as the attacks from the sides. I think the English opening with c4 does try and give White immediate central control on d5 and more pressure on the light squares. Great video concept!
kingscrusher 2 years ago
i came here after seeing the carlsen game too. i was curious and ended up here. haha, if great minds think alike we are both geniuses :D
MJtheKandyman 2 years ago
Thanks Crusher - I will definitely check out that game!
jrobichess 2 years ago
Very cool long video! :) Thank you for that!
But with my hopeless chess skills I think that this position would be too difficult for me to play off. It probably does offer a surprise advantage against some weathered players, but those would crunch me anyway, no matter what I played :)
For a novice, I think it's difficult to come out of such non-specific opening.
But I certainly enjoyed watching you play it! :)
barsorrro 2 years ago