Unionized labor should NEVER be allowed in Government. The relationship becomes too incestuous and corrupt. Union $ supports the politician, who in turn 'bargains' away money they are not accountable for, Future Public Taxes. Private Unions have a duty to their members to help the company to remain profitable, or the company dies, work is lost. Not an issue in Government... Outlaw PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS!
@wernervoss48 Well in the case of Wisconsin the Union workers had agreed to cuts to balance the budget even after the governor had cut taxes for the richest 1% of Wisconsin. The fact that they did so shoots your post full of holes. His agenda wasn't about the budget anyway, it was to destroy all unions and everybody's right to organize and bargain for better wages. Even if they wanted to union could never compete with corporate America when it comes to buying off politicians.
RTW=Privatized Welfare. You want to get all of our benefits and not pay a dime to help pay for it. That's the definition of welfare and exactly what the RTW does.
also I ask all of you this: what is the right pay level? I believe the right pay level is when an employer needs to raise salaries and benefits to fill open positions. To the best of my knowledge there are scores of applicants for those “underpaid” government jobs, a clear sign that compensation is too rich.
@nktank84 I believe that we were talking about America, not other countries. But no, I don't believe that is right. By now, the government ensures a minimum wage and the unions are not ensuring much of anything anymore.
@rickmcdonalled Yes you were talking about America, where conditions were terrible until people formed unions and fought for the wages and conditions that we all enjoy today. It's terrible that you actually think that people don't need unions anymore. In missouri they just tried to LOWER minimum wage. Walmart doesn't even pay their employees enough to afford their company's healthcare. You keep thinking like you are and we'll be living below the poverty line.
No enemies here. The Union has given me a lot of things. The main thing being peace of mind. I know guys in the Brotherhood who want something for nothing and I don't agree with that just like I don't agree with that out of anyone. Just because I'm in the Union, doesn't mean I agree with everything they do or say. All I am concerned with is that they gave me a chance, an education, and skills I can carry with me through life. I support that. They've been good to me.
It was said that unionized workers are not in it to get rich. That is only true depending on the definition of “rich”. They are in it for a carefree life without ever working a minute of overtime with at least times and a half pay, plenty of sick days, vacation pay, lifelong healthcare, lifelong pension, no stress, no true responsibility, no real risk, early retirement, accumulation of untaken sick pay, etc. They have every right to pursue this but have no right to force it down others throats
I wish I was rich. I wish I didn't have to work overtime, but truth being, I had 50 hours last week and am on track for that again this week. I'm glad I'm not some of my Union buddies working at Duke in Edwardsport, IN putting in 58 hour weeks and looking at working Sundays now too. You know what I'm in it for? I'm in it for the healthcare for my family. So my 2 year old and two 3 year olds don't have to life off the state government for their healthcare.
@bhunt31 I'm sorry, I was generalizing to much. And although I have a low opinion of unions and the hive mind environment they may be able to create such as in the often defective police in America, there is always a wonderful person in every individual. Not to lead to far away from the subject, however, I too work 50 hours every other week and 48 in between those. I am working outside of a union, though, and am working to ensure I CAN get a higher position and CAN get richer.
@bhunt31 Also, I'm not trying to make an enemy out of you. It may be even harder for me to see your point of view because I don't have kids, but I agree that hard working people like you should have ensured health care; however, richer people should have to pay for it because since they worked hard enough to get to their current place they should have to pay more.
Unions are the reason why many American maufacture out source to China. There is no need for the union as there are many tough laws to protect the American worker, but union workers demand too much money as I am willing to settle for decent wages.
Keep it nice please. Unions created the middle class-period! IF you reap the benefits of union blood, and vote anti union, you have a lot of explaining to do.
Instead of being hateful of a union's decent wages-go fight for your own or get into a union or McDonalds is hiring
I am proudly Anti-Union. Unions never did anything for and me family.
Instead unlike the parasites who run unions I work for a living. God bless the courage of Scott Walker and companies like Wal Mart who stand up to the organized crime labor bosses.
you are right Unions did great the "middle class" ,as a matter of fact they created all "classes" like the poor class,the underpayed class, the underemployed class ,the rich class etc etc etc ,otherwise their "system" will not work, without classes and how come the Union Boss collects a six figure anualy ? i would consider him as rich,dont you ? so when he is rich,how can he look out for the poor underpayed ,underinsured ,no benefit, no vacation ,overworked worker?
Unions used to be a good thing but now they're full of people try to get as much as they can for as little as possible & if they have to bully or harass others to get their money they have no problem with it. Just look at all the videos of union violence. Why keep a business in the US & get bullied by union scum when you can just ship it overseas & work with employees individually? The UAW destroying GM is just proof that unions will screw tax payers to get as much money as they can get. greed.
... with immature language like that, why would you even bother replying to my post? You are obviously too stupid and child-like to carry on an intelligent conversation. Go play pacman.
@cheeriosinabowl yes, like a typical brain-dead democrat, just diverge from the fact that you never will understand what the hell a free market is, why it made america great, and why you idiots are trying your hardest to ruin it due to your incompetency, laziness, and general unawareness of economics and the world as a whole.
... as per your profile, you are 22 years old ??? So, I guess YOU know everything and we're all dumber than you? Even for a 22 year old, you should be somewhat able to post more mature comments. Live a bit longer boy, and you may change your mind. Disgusting.
@cheeriosinabowl dear dumb ass. dont believe everything you read. i run multiple businesses and am fully aware, much more so than you, on the good and bad inherent in unions. you, however, are clearly ignorant to their existence and how they function. get a little bit of a clue, you incompetent fool.
... with your continuous insults, you are not to be taken seriously. You are full of it, it's obvious. Don't reply -- I have no time for people like you. Done here.
@cheeriosinabowl just like a democrat!!!! shift the subject and avoid the matters at hand. just like the idiot woman secretary democrat that was on cnbc today, you think youre smart, but youre really a fucking useless idiot.
How much I hate the idea of Social Justice. It used to be a form not in bed with Government but protest against Government. Now it's in bed with Government and has turned into brainwashing.
@PIlotrcm What was irony that Richard Nixon's grandson tried to running for congress. What America didn't need was another Nixon relative in congress the last one embarrassed the nation. I hope people realise that it was Richard Nixon and the Democrats together changed America for the worse.
Is Mrs McCarthy related to Reds under the Bed former US Senator Joe McCarthy?
What a biased bitch ... people in a democracy have a right to freedom of association on religious, club choices or the right to belong to a Union. These big wigs get themselves in the shyte & they pay LAWYERS/Barristers to represent/speak for them. Why isn't the working man entitled to the same freedoms? Union bashers are ignoramuses.
As long as they are not stealing money from Tax Payers to pay for their own pensions and benefits like these Public Unions in Wisconsin and other Public Unions are doing!!!
Real Unions would be up in arms AGAINST that!!! Because REAL UNIONS exist for the workers rights! It's not right to steal from someone who's earned their money to put it into someone elses pensions! It's also not right to force someone to join a Union that does not want too! This is The USA. NOT RUSSIA!
@libssukk Sorry, I disagree on the "right to work"
90% of jobs are not union, if you don't want to join the union, go find somewhere else to work.
Like most everyone, we want to enjoy the perks of the union, so we find employment with the union. When you pay your dues you are essentially paying an "association fee" like a homeowner would for manicured grounds and trash pickup, and amenities.
IF you don't want the amenities, go somewhere else!
@PositivelyBored If I work there first then why should I go anywhere .Lets do it the Union way and you pay me a lot to go away.It has happened to me that is why I hate unions so much I was getting a good HONEST wage unions came in younger inexperienced voted em in .I would not sign me and about ten others got let go .Workmanship took a dive business closed .Wheres your union now ? .Unions where good and can be again but I will never sign with em.
I hate to point this out, but your anti-union buddies are the same that fought against the regulation of the derivative market, that funny bubble that caused two major Economic recessions in the last 2 decades? A union is concerned for workers rights and safeties, they did more to influence Labor Law than even the federal government, mainly because the government wouldn't enforce it early on. So before you start looking for a scapegoat for 3 decades of budgetary irresponsibility look at the boss
@phantomkitsunezero I think eventually the union workers will take back its unions if the leaders or unions go more out of the way then what it was founded.
@v19d One can only hope as much, while I'm more moderately attuned, We do need more 'classic' union representatives that are there to represent workers, not personal gains/interests, As well as making sure workers in turn maintain professionalism and work ethic relative to a Union
@phantomkitsunezero my local UAW signed an agreement with management back is 83 to work together. result: a very good place to work, cash cow for GM and the most productive transmission plant in the US. Its not about making "outrageous" demands as some like to say, its about working together to ensure the future of the company and workers. Thats what unions are and can can be.
@597914 I could only wish people today could understand that "compromise" isn't a dirty word and it would be used more commonly. Instead we have the classic "Red vs. Blue" scenario where you have to win, you can't work with the guy on the other side of the line. But Alas, I fear that the concept of "Unions are Bad" are now engrained, painted as an enemy of the people. Imagine how well the government could work if they could compromise on various bills. rather than the "All or nothing" approach
@Kpa1983 Please get educated on how favorable those 'glory days' of free economy were before any worker 'rights' were enforced. I won't say a union is the best answer, but it was originally the right response to organize those that have a stake in their conditions. The problem of a union, like any other representative body, is corruption nothing is immune to it. But go ahead and look into when the 'middle class' even began to emerge and when the federal government made worker's 'rights'.
@phantomkitsunezero i dont have a problem with any union. my problem is that unions are politically protected. thats the problem with a lot of people, i bet you will never read hazzlit. :(
@Kpa1983 Same is true of companies :/ And I don't think I'll have the time to read it, have a stack of material to go through plus preparing for shipping off to bootcamp and because I work third shift I'm usually zonked by the end of the day :E. Enforce proper regulation on companies and I completely agree that neither side should be 'protected' beyond the universal rights you or I share
Now you are claiming corruption in unions due to a change in financial reporting rules. Union Facts is a front group for individuals opposed to unions. It was founded by lobbyist Rick Berman. Proof? They report false salaries of union officials. "Rising" costs of unions? They are trying to KEEP what they negotiated. They have been giving up wages and benefits recently. Maybe you should find a better source for your info. Follow the corporate greed and you'll find the corruption.
Unions are useless at sticking up for their members. They did nothing when my 23YO son was fired from his job in clothes retail, all because of some nonsense about “filming customers”, which was obviously just a silly joke that got a bit out of hand.
Just because a woman complained, his manager launched a ridiculous ‘investigation’ which included his work laptop being confiscated (slight invasion of privacy, I think!) & him being fired without notice.
@SuperTruth77 Oh yes...invading someone's privacy is always just a "silly joke that got a little out of hand." The nerve of that woman who was spied on in a clothing store to complain!
Your sons a pervert! Work laptop is WORKs laptop. If it was HIS laptop, that is an invasion of privacy.
As a hardline union member, you have to be willing to always do the right thing and make sure your i's are dotted... if not, there is the door,
The BA is not going to help you, panel is not going to be sympathetic when you get customer complaints of filming customers (which is sexual harrassment AND A "CARDINAL" as we say in our workplace.)
Latest figures on LABOR COSTS:less than 10% gap between US and foreign. Total wage and benefits costs: US=$59 foreign=$56 (average). Due mostly to UAW concessions PRIOR to GM/Chry bankruptcy AND AGAIN in 2009. Contrary to popular opinion the UAW doesn't make any demands and has been trying to help the greedy mismanaged Big 3 stay competitive even though Big 3 gave themselves raises. Know before you knock the UAW.Source Bloomberg.
That's right. The unions are dragging everyone down and flushing the American economy right down the toilet. All of America's problems lie with unions. Do you know how absurd that sounds? It's like saying that a 5 year-old (labor) getting bullied by a 15 year-old (big business), is the reason why the playground isn't safe anymore. The 15 year-old has convinced you the 5-year old is the antagonist and you believe him. That is an obvious lie, just like the one big business has sold you on.
@knucklepunt Unfortunately for your analogy labor is no longer the 5 year old. Labor is now the juiced up steroid user who flips out at the slightest provocation. Unions artificially limit that number of available jobs. This in turn causes scarcity which serves to drive up hourly rates. Sure, it's good for the electricians and plumbers who make $30 an hour. Not so good for the rest of the unemployed mob. Teacher unions that refuse to allow any form of job performance review to be part....
@knucklepunt ...of the review process for tenure. Police unions that require felon cops to still receive their pension. Auto worker unions with deals to staggering they force the price point of cars to be unable to compete with foreign cars. Unions may have once had a purpose but they have long since stopped being the good guy and sadly became the big bully on the block.
Have you been involved in running an anti-union campaign? Would you be willing to share your experience with an organizer? New organizer seeks to learn from the experience of others.
Seeking: current and former supervisors, managers, HR personnel, executives, attorneys, and union-avoidance consultants.
I prefer all the money the company I work for makes goes disproportionately to the CEOs and I also prefer not having health care, vacation time, or any pay raises. This is good for America because rich people spend all their money back into the economy while poor-middle class people tend to just horde their money under beds. What has America come to when a water treatment worker can buy a $200,000 house and put their kids through college. Makes me fucking sick!
@brapbraprcksn Really! Labor "laws" are violated everyday by virtually every industry. Are you seriuos! Who enforces these laws? GM was just found guilty of violating these laws a few years ago and the judge gave them a slap on the wrist! No penalty, nothing...just a promise to not do it anymore! I work in a factory. GM can talk safety till they're blue, but without the UAW watching they will ignore everything for the dollar!
and charlieboy82, "my most ardent supporters are the companies who lobby congress to spend more money on weapons development and body armor research" are you living in the same world I am, because if you think those companies are doing this to save your ass you have a rude awakening coming, they are only doing it so the bosses can line their pockets... and our economy will turn around when the average Joe on the street has enough money to spend it on other than shelter and food for his family.
charlieboy82, just because you are a marine doesn't make you an expert on our society, yes, there are people who just want a handout but most people want to work and be paid fairly...and I beg to differ on your comparison of a welfare bitch and an union worker... most union workers are no different than you, your neighbor, your father your friend, they are humans working to feed and clothe their family..and all those companies that failed, it wasn't the union, it was poor management decisions
those who hate unions are usally cocksuckers, its harder to suck yhe bosses cock with the union present,and cocksuckers arent liked by the union and other members,some think that sucking cock gets them ahead, probally in the nonunion workplace, the lowest form of life is a company cocksucking scab
tell you what ive seen the difference in scab work and union work in the building trades,scabb hurry and get it done you get paid by the job,so if its not square who cares just get it done,ask this or any of the pukbags when they have thier house built make sure you have the scabbest POS you can find,so that you can get it done cheap,real cheap, why would a person that dosent make any money give a shit, what makes this POS worth 225k a year, ask yourself that , iam a teamster i dont make that
What a low life hunk of shit!! Selling everyone out....corrupt hunks of shit like that do that, should be put straight in jail...and so should the directors of companies that incite union corruption...Lock 'em up throw away the key.
Makes me sick, all the problems on Wall Street, all the bailouts. Us teamsters are under concessions, and they (upper management) are giving bonuses out. All these corporate scums just have there hands out at the expense of the workers. How much more do we give before we say NO MORE! This dirtbag is a perfect example of a opportunist, what a lowlife.
It's when we say NO MORE to the unions and their completely pathetic demands that drive companies to jerk up prices in order to still retain a profit, that's when our economy will turn around. You're a fucking idiot skippy.
Just remember this people... every dollar taken from a worker by their employer is a dollar taken from a local business that could be spent in the local economy supporting local businesses.How smart is that!!Pay us fuck all so we`ve got fuck all to spend in your shops, supermarkets, whitegoods stores,car yards etc.I`m not saying shop till you drop but if you receive crumbs you can only give back dust!!
unions are going to be around forever, someone has to look out for the middle class. I love my union, there is no way i would do what I do without our union. Bricklayers and Allied Craftworkers BAC oldest union in the USA. Try to export me to China!!
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Unions are the reason our economy is in the shambles it is in the first place. Back in the industrial period they made sense, but now as work leans more towards an individual basis it should be allowed for individual reward. Getting paid $45 an hour for a $20 job is absolute bullshit, it's why companies can't stay competative and end up failing....like GMC. Great job, retards.
response to charlieboy82 Your an idiot! I suppose the piss poor management has nothing to do with it. Keep putting the blame on the ones whose time and labor makes the execs they're bonuses. Labor had NOTHING to do with the run on wall street, the greed of CEOs and banks. The sub-prime loan facade. Your response sounds like a typical kneejerk corporate suckoff...
Yeah, because union management doesn't show a form of greed everytime they make ridiculous demands from executives, forcing them to institute a work program that in NO WAY can retain a profit for the company....which, by the way, is the PURPOSE of starting a company, to make a PROFIT. Congratulations, you're just another idiot that wants a handout without working for it. Shut the hell up and go to a communist nation dipshit.
Is that ALL you got, a broad sweeping generalization. Ending with a stereotype, please, give me areal reason to convince me of your reasoning. Or don't they teach you that on right wing talkshows, Charlie?!?! Corporations should make a profit, without compromising workers pay, Now that the middle class is eroding, who will support business? Seems like we are not the ones who sold America out! oh, i will not shut the hell up. Educate yourself. Your wrong.
Because somebody should be paid $15 an hour to push a button on an assembley line, right? WRONG. It's about getting what you work for, not getting what your union lawyers and managers DEMAND for you so they get voted in next year. Oh, and by the way, I'm not right-wing you idiot. Your ability to do nothing but speculate on me shows your ignorance. Go talk to somebody who buys into your bullshit, you're not fooling me dumbass.
Who gets paid $15/hr to push a button on an assembly line? You really bought into that whole 'welfare queen' crap from the Regan era didn't you? Your statements a right wing talking points. Go work the typical blue collar job for a while. My guess is that you couldn't hack it.
Couldn't hack it? My job puts me in the shittiest locations around the world. My employer constantly looks at ways to cut funding for my safety. My "customers" wave banners and signs that badmouth me and my fellow employees. Blue Collar works get to punch out and go home at night while I'm putting on body armor to go get shot at. I'm a US Marine, I don't support unions because it's nothing but a bunch of bitches wanting more money for less work. Come hack my world and then run your mouth.
You don't have a position that falls under what we're discussing. I sure as hell don't wave banners that badmouth you and your coworkers. That is until you start with this political crap. The vast majority of the people who you are ripping on are your most ardent supporters. But, I'm sure that means nothing to you, because you have no understanding of the society you came from.
If you 'world' wants me to shut my mouth, then what are you doing there. Loudmouth meat head.
Most ardent supporters? Please.. my most ardent supporters are the companies who lobby congress to spend more money on weapons development and body armor research. As for me not "understanding" the society.. I know far more about our society than you could ever dream of. Our society is ridden with worthless souls who want a hand out, that includes unions, the only difference between a union worker and a welfare bitch is punchinga t ime clock.
@charlieboy82 The frigging UAW is one of the biggest supporters of the military! Do you know how many veteran's we support through fundraisers and visiting veterans homes? Do you know how many UAW members turned the tide building the very weapons that saved the world during WWII? Don't support unions... YOU EARNED IT! Thanks, but you're very wrong about unions. Unions don't cut any spending your gov't does!
@597914 Hey, did you also know that the vast majority of the original members of the UAW were communist? Did you also know that the UAW is currently exempt from Obamacare? The UAW is the primary reason why the American auto industry is in the fucking shitter. Take your blinders off and look at the facts.
@captwasabi talk about blinders! FYI the US auto industry is kicking ass right now and you seem to be a bit paranoid...are you serious? Original members communist! yeah so was Lucy Arnez! Obamacare? Your posts are stupid and full misinformation! labor costs? What a joke! You don't even know what you are talking about! Tell me what managmt adds? Dont need unions? where do you live Disneyland? obviously youve never worked for a large auto company. typical know nothing post.
@597914 You seriously need to learn your history. The UAW became strongly anti-communist after it expelled its Communist leaders in the late 1940s. If not for WW2 then the UAW would likely STILL be reiddled with commies. Google "unions exempt from obamacare" and learn a little. And as for the auto industry, yeah, sales are pretty good. Bout how about @ the Big 3? Typical union shithead post. All full of koolaid, are we now? Take of the blinders and stop sucking the union boss dick.
@captwasabi Big 3..that's who I was talking about because if you knew shit you would know the foreign Cos are getting their ass kicked. Google? Now there some research for ya! And really, you are scared of commies? The UAW is more American than your foreign loving ass. Thank God (which you don't believe in) there is Youtube so your little mind has a place to vent and read your ignorant words of spite. Go away turd.
@597914 Foreign loving ass? What the fuck are you talking about? First off, nothing I said so far has been wrong. The original members of the UAW WERE communist and were forced out in the mid-40's. As for auto sales; Bloomberg, 8/10 "U.S. Auto Sales May Hit 28-Year Low as Discounts Flop" Try looking at YTD sales numbers fuckstick, not individual monthly numbers. And I have no idea why you are so scared of learning something from a google search though small minds are afraid of new concepts.
@captwasabi Really reaching for the communist card dude. Do you know how stupid you sound? For the last 10 years I've been GIVING up wages and benefits so what the fuck exactly have we DEMANDED? That is an old tired lie spread by ignorants like you. I dont have to look at YTD all I have to look at is the hours we are working 12 hrs 6-7days a week. Thanks for the bailout loan!
@597914 How is it reaching when it's fact? I do find it amusing that you don't have to look at YTD data because, obviously, your plant is indicative of the entire industry. Dude, you are such a tool it's pathetic. The only mismanagement at the Big 3 was giving in to your cocksuckers and your ridiculous demands. Because of those demands the Big 3 now account for less than 50% of the US auto market. How the fuck you can be so proud of yourself is staggering.
@captwasabi your commentary doesn't equate to facts dude. Proud of myself, of course I am. Unlike you I actually know what I'm talking about and don't go around attacking somone's livelyhood when I know knothing about it except my own preconceived hate and bias. Now you say ridiculous demands, again EXACTLY what are those demands dumb ass? You do not know what you are talking about.
@597914 It's very easy for you to deny facts because you suckle the union teat. The simple fact is that union workers make 3 times that of foreign transplant manufacturers. As a result vehicles of superior quality are sold at a lower price. That's reason one why the Big 3 have been getting bailouts for 50 years. I know that you're not going to pay any attention to what I say because, again, your a full-on sucking the union dick but I know what the facts are while you read the union newsletter.
@captwasabi Thats a fucking lie. Foreign tp workers make more per hr than some UAW workers! Superior Quality! Whered you google that? i suppose you'll tell me next that the US hasnt subsidised foreign owned plants or that their gov'ts don't subsidise them either! Or that artificially dflated currency doesnt happen either? You are seriuosly misinformend! I make $28.73 / hr. So you are saying Honda pays them $7????? WTF!
@597914 "Thanks for the bailout loan!" Spoken like the typical lazy fuckstick union workers are. Obviously more content to steal money then work for your own. I hope you die in your sub-par "American" built car. I'll be sure to never buy one of the Big 3 products.
@cozyfoxstudio Wow. Really? Are you honestly such a pathetic fucking loser that you now have to follow me over to this thread? Was it not enough that I thoroughly trounced your every claim on that thread? You now want me to embarrass you here too?
@cozyfoxstudio Maybe in your delusional little world I did but in this place I call reality, I don't think so. Besides, your original post here just further proves how badly you suck at the internet. You couldn't even respond to me, you mistakenly responded to someone else. Dude, you suck at the internet. Log off.
@captwasabi Actually you ARE totally right..... if we were in Solviet Russia. Yes, I did respond to the wrong one. I unlike you admit when I make a mistake. When you grow up, you will understand why adults do that. You can also see that I gave the guy that was educating you an apology. As for the internet. Capitalism didnt produce the internet so traitors like you could spew your communist propaganda and hate speech.
@cozyfoxstudio Lemme get this striaght. You followed me here. From another thread. And started talking shit to the wrong guy. And somehow that has to do with communism? Dude, you are truly fucking delusional. I have entertained your particular stupidity long enough. Have a great life.
@597914 And what the fuck does god have anything to do with how badly the UAW is fucking up the auto industry? It's because of bullshit UAW demands that the American auto industry has been getting regular government bailouts for the past 5 decades. Seriously, get the UAW dick out of your mouth and learn something!
@captwasabi How myopic to blame the UAW for the Big 3's mismanagement. Why is my UAW plant is kicking ass and making money for GM? Mexico makes the same transmission but their quality sucks because they can't keep the 19 yr olds working for $90 a week. You think you know how the auto plants operate but you don't know shit. Demands? WTF? The UAW and their concessions are the reason why GM is making their comback and they couldnt do it without us. Tell me what we demanded? U R A Joke!
@597914 Oh please. The union concessions are the reason for GM's success? Really? Then by reversal of that pearl it was the Union demands that were responsible for the failure of GM. For fucks sake, the Big 3 pay their line workers THREE TIMES that of the foreign transplants and you have the fucking audacity to stroke your ego about some bullshit concession? Fuck you thief. This is why I'm never buying from one of the Big 3 again.
@captwasabi first of all any google search that terms health care "obamacare" is already biased and the exemption you claim is merely a proposal. Like I said you are a paranoid freak the wants to blame everything for your failed stock portfolio. check with the comminists, I think they stole your brain.
@597914 Fine you miserable prick. Google "unions exempt from healthcare legislation" instead. Washington Examiner "The best chance for compromise legislation on health care may be a plan under construction in the Senate Finance Committee that would pay for a public plan in part by taxing some worker health benefits. But the union workers who helped Democrats win Congress and the White House and whose support will be key in getting a health bill signed into law would not pay the tax."
@captwasabi excuse me dickhead, but please tell me where it says this is law? and while your at it please tell everyone the RIDICULOUS DEMANDS the UAW has made the last 10 years! Look, just because you want it to be fact doesn't make it so! You hate the UAW and you can't even back it up. That's called ignorance.
@597914 I've backed up every fucking claim I've made. It's not my fault you're so fucking blind you just stick your fingers in your ears and ignore me. I'm fucking done dealing with your blind stupidity. Dealing with you is like dealing with the one idiot in the class who eats the paste. I'm fucking done with you so feel free to claim victory. I understand that those of your sub-par intelligence need this to feel better about themselves.
@captwasabi FYI; Google isnt backing up every claim you made! Dude! I am the UAW...I think I know what I get paid. Know what I build. I can't claim victory against a poor misinformed fool like you. I'll claim victory when I collect my retirment check every month. Again. Thanks for the bailout loan.
@597914 The only hope that I have is that once the Big 3 finally go belly up is that all the foreign companies tell the UAW to go fuck themselves lest the UAW fucking destroy those companies too.
@597914 And I don't own any stocks you stupid fuck and I'm putting blame right where it belongs. Greedy fucking union cocksuckers and the moronic companies that capitulate to them and the asshole politicians who enable this incestuous relationship. You know the root word there? Incest? It's what you do with your brother every night.
@597914 Lucy Ball wasnt communist but her grandfather was. The auto industry is doing well now because we had to bail them out. The reason American car companies cant compete with Japan is because of the bloated Unions who, inflated the cost of labor and destroyed the quality of the product and the city of Detroit. The punk in this video is clearly lying and you cansee the micro expression on his face when everyone laughs. I see you are annoying people all over the internet. You are a loser
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Unions are for uneducated losers who rely on the gov to take care of them. Do you think that you might be making alot less because you haven't done anything to improve yourself. And people wonder why companies outsource and send jobs over seas instead of overpaying Americans who think that they deserve it. How many people with degrees are in, or need a union?
I agree. People who do thinks like keeping the sewage system running, teaching kids and nursing the sick are losers who we should despise when they ask for wages that amount to a tiny fraction of those paid to owners.
Teaching kids? Are you shitting me? Have you looked at America's performance on the national scale when it comes to education? That's what you get with a union, teachers who just sit in a classroom and do crossword puzzles because their contract stipulates they can't be fired....so where is the motivation to do their job?
@charlieboy82 thats what you get with an unorganized, weak teacher's union. dont blanket the situation and stereotype all unions based on one particular failure. TEAMSTERS for a better life
I love my union. If it weren't for them, I'd not only be making ALOT less than I do now, I wouldn't have been able to buy my first home during this recession.
Is The Recession Permanent? YES AS LONG AS COMPANY OWNERS DON'T PAY THERE EMPLOYEES ANYTHING AND CHARGE TO MUCH FOR THERE PRODUCT WHO IS GOING TO BUY IT I CAN'T BUY A NEW $20,000 CAR IF I MAKE 9.00 AN HOUR AND I WONT BUY A HOUSE IF I DON'T KNOW IF I WILL HAVE A JOB TOMORROW THERE JUST TRYING TO GET RID OF UNIONS SO THEY CAN GET RID OF THE MIDDLE CLASS THINK ABOUT IT NO UNIONS NO GOOD PAYING JOBS AND A NON UNION COMPANY CAN PAY EVEN LESS GET READY FOR MINIMUM WAGE
As a son of a union man, and a member of a professor's union myself, I get so annoyed at people who complain about union dues, and have no clue what they get in return; the only reason why people think things are good enough to not have unions is becuase of unions...people who want to bust-unions will make you believe that unions are the bad guy, but I rarely trust anyone who is making 50 times what I make to tell me the truth about what is good for the worker.
@michael301 Why are there no unions in Silicon Valley? I'll tell you why, Silicon Valley would not exist if there were unions. The companies simple could not afford to deal with the nonsense of Labor Unions. You are worth what someone is willing to pay you and that's determined by the market. If you are a professor then you must have studied economics at one time or another. Apparently you didn't learn much. You need to go back and read some Hayek.
@juscurious You have no idea what Unions did for the American worker, from fair treatment to appropiate pay. If markets determined how much someone makes than why do CEOs make so much more than the worker, even in a bad economy? Markets are controlled by those in control, not otherwise, thusly appropriate checks need to be placed. Economics does not take into account people; by your account, you are okay with the Irish potato famine and the death therein, because the market caused the famine.
@michael301 You have got to be kidding. The cause of the Irish Potato Famine was a Mole called Phytophthora Infestans. It had nothing to do with economic markets. And please define appropriate pay. What's appropriate to me may not be appropriate to you. Is it appropriate that some basketball stars make $10 million a year. No, not to me but then again I shouldn't be the one to judge that. I'm not smart enough. Markets determine that sort of thing. CEO's are regularly let go when they fail.
@juscurious@juscurious I was too casual in my response. I know what the caused the famine, but the English never dealt with the issue because it was thought that it would fix itself: Laissez faire. The market place is affected by food shortage due to infestans, but you would argue that there should be no relief, because the market would correct itself, and any relief would perturb that process. Hayek, tho, believed in some government intervention around regulation etc.
Then you shouldn't trust your wealthy union mafia leaders, especially when they give so heavily to democrats. Tell me wise one, do you know how much of your union dues go to democrats? i mean politicians.
@DietLite1986 Thanks for the compliment. I know which candidates my union supports, yes, and I know often they are democrats or working family party, because that is the political group that supports union. I refute your claim that union leaders are mafia, and as the wise one, I assume you will take my word for it.
@DietLite1986 None of my dues. I support political education through my CAP fund that I donate each month. This money is used to educate our members and community which platform gov't leaders support. Our vote is the only thing we give to any candidate and if they want it they better support labor, fair trade laws and have a record that proves it.
@michael301 The Unions steal 30% from their members. But that money is never seen by th emember. It is deposited directly into th eunion's account by management.
@MartyMac61 Wrong! My union does not steal any money from me. My union uses their members dues for education purposes for classes from civil & human rights, women's issues to training for my job. each member has an opportunity to attend many different classes paid for through my dues. We also make several donations to community fundraisers and support our schools. stop spreading lies about something you obviously know nothing about. Unions support your community.
@michael301 Yeah, it's pretty foolish that people want all the organization and power in their employer's hands. Some unions have definitely gone too far though.
@michael301 Yeah, I can really see the good behind unions. Teachers unions that prevent any level of accountability in our teachers.Cop unions that allow dirty cops to keep their salary. Most trade unions artificially limit the amount of available workers so as to inflate their hourly wage due to fraudulent scarcity. Then there's the auto unions which make American cars unable to compete with foreign cars due to excessive pricing. Unions no longer serve a purpose.
@captwasabi I never said all unions are good. There are issues, for sure. I am not an un-nuanced supporter of unions. Thank you, however, for noting the unions have served a purpose in the past. I still believe they do, sorry you have lost faith.
@michael301 all you do on this post is bash unions why? your sheepskin bail on you? go get a job and quit bitchin, just learn to say "welcome to Walmart." Your logic is a race to the bottom. Lets all make minimum wage, then whos gonna buy your crap your selling like the crap your trying to sell on this post? Why do you care what wages the UAW make?
Unionized labor should NEVER be allowed in Government. The relationship becomes too incestuous and corrupt. Union $ supports the politician, who in turn 'bargains' away money they are not accountable for, Future Public Taxes. Private Unions have a duty to their members to help the company to remain profitable, or the company dies, work is lost. Not an issue in Government... Outlaw PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS!
wernervoss48 3 weeks ago
@wernervoss48 Well in the case of Wisconsin the Union workers had agreed to cuts to balance the budget even after the governor had cut taxes for the richest 1% of Wisconsin. The fact that they did so shoots your post full of holes. His agenda wasn't about the budget anyway, it was to destroy all unions and everybody's right to organize and bargain for better wages. Even if they wanted to union could never compete with corporate America when it comes to buying off politicians.
nktank84 2 weeks ago
RTW=Privatized Welfare. You want to get all of our benefits and not pay a dime to help pay for it. That's the definition of welfare and exactly what the RTW does.
bhunt31 1 month ago
also I ask all of you this: what is the right pay level? I believe the right pay level is when an employer needs to raise salaries and benefits to fill open positions. To the best of my knowledge there are scores of applicants for those “underpaid” government jobs, a clear sign that compensation is too rich.
rickmcdonalled 2 months ago
@rickmcdonalled So by your philosophy sweatshop jobs in Mexico and China pay a fair wage then eh?
nktank84 2 months ago
@nktank84 I believe that we were talking about America, not other countries. But no, I don't believe that is right. By now, the government ensures a minimum wage and the unions are not ensuring much of anything anymore.
rickmcdonalled 1 month ago
@rickmcdonalled Yes you were talking about America, where conditions were terrible until people formed unions and fought for the wages and conditions that we all enjoy today. It's terrible that you actually think that people don't need unions anymore. In missouri they just tried to LOWER minimum wage. Walmart doesn't even pay their employees enough to afford their company's healthcare. You keep thinking like you are and we'll be living below the poverty line.
nktank84 1 month ago
@rickmcdonalled
No enemies here. The Union has given me a lot of things. The main thing being peace of mind. I know guys in the Brotherhood who want something for nothing and I don't agree with that just like I don't agree with that out of anyone. Just because I'm in the Union, doesn't mean I agree with everything they do or say. All I am concerned with is that they gave me a chance, an education, and skills I can carry with me through life. I support that. They've been good to me.
bhunt31 1 month ago
It was said that unionized workers are not in it to get rich. That is only true depending on the definition of “rich”. They are in it for a carefree life without ever working a minute of overtime with at least times and a half pay, plenty of sick days, vacation pay, lifelong healthcare, lifelong pension, no stress, no true responsibility, no real risk, early retirement, accumulation of untaken sick pay, etc. They have every right to pursue this but have no right to force it down others throats
rickmcdonalled 2 months ago
@rickmcdonalled
I wish I was rich. I wish I didn't have to work overtime, but truth being, I had 50 hours last week and am on track for that again this week. I'm glad I'm not some of my Union buddies working at Duke in Edwardsport, IN putting in 58 hour weeks and looking at working Sundays now too. You know what I'm in it for? I'm in it for the healthcare for my family. So my 2 year old and two 3 year olds don't have to life off the state government for their healthcare.
bhunt31 1 month ago
@bhunt31 I'm sorry, I was generalizing to much. And although I have a low opinion of unions and the hive mind environment they may be able to create such as in the often defective police in America, there is always a wonderful person in every individual. Not to lead to far away from the subject, however, I too work 50 hours every other week and 48 in between those. I am working outside of a union, though, and am working to ensure I CAN get a higher position and CAN get richer.
rickmcdonalled 1 month ago
@bhunt31 Also, I'm not trying to make an enemy out of you. It may be even harder for me to see your point of view because I don't have kids, but I agree that hard working people like you should have ensured health care; however, richer people should have to pay for it because since they worked hard enough to get to their current place they should have to pay more.
rickmcdonalled 1 month ago
@rickmcdonalled paid overtime at time and half, plenty of sick leave, vacation pay, etc. Where is the problems?
whatAndwhyify 1 month ago
social justice issues = socialism
BeantownJim 2 months ago
Unions are the reason why many American maufacture out source to China. There is no need for the union as there are many tough laws to protect the American worker, but union workers demand too much money as I am willing to settle for decent wages.
patsaxon 2 months ago
Keep it nice please. Unions created the middle class-period! IF you reap the benefits of union blood, and vote anti union, you have a lot of explaining to do.
Instead of being hateful of a union's decent wages-go fight for your own or get into a union or McDonalds is hiring
Mountchoirboy 4 months ago 7
@Mountchoirboy
I am proudly Anti-Union. Unions never did anything for and me family.
Instead unlike the parasites who run unions I work for a living. God bless the courage of Scott Walker and companies like Wal Mart who stand up to the organized crime labor bosses.
MagicKirin 4 months ago
@Mountchoirboy
you are right Unions did great the "middle class" ,as a matter of fact they created all "classes" like the poor class,the underpayed class, the underemployed class ,the rich class etc etc etc ,otherwise their "system" will not work, without classes and how come the Union Boss collects a six figure anualy ? i would consider him as rich,dont you ? so when he is rich,how can he look out for the poor underpayed ,underinsured ,no benefit, no vacation ,overworked worker?
Hoschi0913 3 weeks ago
Still hate McCarthy
12gaugeG 5 months ago
Unions used to be a good thing but now they're full of people try to get as much as they can for as little as possible & if they have to bully or harass others to get their money they have no problem with it. Just look at all the videos of union violence. Why keep a business in the US & get bullied by union scum when you can just ship it overseas & work with employees individually? The UAW destroying GM is just proof that unions will screw tax payers to get as much money as they can get. greed.
brad238899 5 months ago
The House couldn't even put an r in Mr for this jason
v19d 5 months ago
Unions created the middle class. As Reagn said, "When, unions and collective bargaining are forbidden. Freedom is lost."
jrwel14 6 months ago
management gets the union it deserves......think about it.
beergut111 7 months ago
This woman is a childish bully who feels her position allows her to be rude and arrogant to the witness.
woosailor 7 months ago
@woosailor she exposed a liar. Are you a republican or something
MrGandulfWhite 5 months ago
One way of looking at it, unions are a "necessary evil" for us workers.
Without them, we average workers would have had ooor, miserable lives. Unions aren't perfect, but what is a viable alternative?
Times are changing for the workers these days, and it doesn't look pretty ...
cheeriosinabowl 7 months ago
@cheeriosinabowl yea, too bad you idiots will never understand the concept of a free market-you dense fucks.
applesauceman 5 months ago
@applesauceman
... with immature language like that, why would you even bother replying to my post? You are obviously too stupid and child-like to carry on an intelligent conversation. Go play pacman.
cheeriosinabowl 5 months ago
@cheeriosinabowl yes, like a typical brain-dead democrat, just diverge from the fact that you never will understand what the hell a free market is, why it made america great, and why you idiots are trying your hardest to ruin it due to your incompetency, laziness, and general unawareness of economics and the world as a whole.
applesauceman 5 months ago
@applesauceman
... as per your profile, you are 22 years old ??? So, I guess YOU know everything and we're all dumber than you? Even for a 22 year old, you should be somewhat able to post more mature comments. Live a bit longer boy, and you may change your mind. Disgusting.
cheeriosinabowl 4 months ago
@cheeriosinabowl dear dumb ass. dont believe everything you read. i run multiple businesses and am fully aware, much more so than you, on the good and bad inherent in unions. you, however, are clearly ignorant to their existence and how they function. get a little bit of a clue, you incompetent fool.
applesauceman 4 months ago
@applesauceman
... with your continuous insults, you are not to be taken seriously. You are full of it, it's obvious. Don't reply -- I have no time for people like you. Done here.
cheeriosinabowl 4 months ago
@cheeriosinabowl just like a democrat!!!! shift the subject and avoid the matters at hand. just like the idiot woman secretary democrat that was on cnbc today, you think youre smart, but youre really a fucking useless idiot.
applesauceman 4 months ago
How much I hate the idea of Social Justice. It used to be a form not in bed with Government but protest against Government. Now it's in bed with Government and has turned into brainwashing.
v19d 7 months ago
Another thing that was not a woman but a man. Hope to god that stupid chairwoman was thrown out in 2010.
v19d 7 months ago
Monopoly = Bad
Monopolizing Labor = Good
TheShaniqua1992 9 months ago
Anyone else see the irony in that womans name?
PIlotrcm 9 months ago
@PIlotrcm Yea that is true just like the 1950's Democrats helping with the Red Scare. Is she related to Joe McCarthy
v19d 7 months ago
@PIlotrcm What was irony that Richard Nixon's grandson tried to running for congress. What America didn't need was another Nixon relative in congress the last one embarrassed the nation. I hope people realise that it was Richard Nixon and the Democrats together changed America for the worse.
v19d 7 months ago
Is Mrs McCarthy related to Reds under the Bed former US Senator Joe McCarthy?
What a biased bitch ... people in a democracy have a right to freedom of association on religious, club choices or the right to belong to a Union. These big wigs get themselves in the shyte & they pay LAWYERS/Barristers to represent/speak for them. Why isn't the working man entitled to the same freedoms? Union bashers are ignoramuses.
gnads1 9 months ago
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BabiuuRobertaa948 9 months ago
Unions are great!
As long as they are not stealing money from Tax Payers to pay for their own pensions and benefits like these Public Unions in Wisconsin and other Public Unions are doing!!!
Real Unions would be up in arms AGAINST that!!! Because REAL UNIONS exist for the workers rights! It's not right to steal from someone who's earned their money to put it into someone elses pensions! It's also not right to force someone to join a Union that does not want too! This is The USA. NOT RUSSIA!
libssukk 9 months ago
@libssukk Sorry, I disagree on the "right to work"
90% of jobs are not union, if you don't want to join the union, go find somewhere else to work.
Like most everyone, we want to enjoy the perks of the union, so we find employment with the union. When you pay your dues you are essentially paying an "association fee" like a homeowner would for manicured grounds and trash pickup, and amenities.
IF you don't want the amenities, go somewhere else!
PositivelyBored 8 months ago
@PositivelyBored If I work there first then why should I go anywhere .Lets do it the Union way and you pay me a lot to go away.It has happened to me that is why I hate unions so much I was getting a good HONEST wage unions came in younger inexperienced voted em in .I would not sign me and about ten others got let go .Workmanship took a dive business closed .Wheres your union now ? .Unions where good and can be again but I will never sign with em.
truckdawg43 8 months ago
I hate to point this out, but your anti-union buddies are the same that fought against the regulation of the derivative market, that funny bubble that caused two major Economic recessions in the last 2 decades? A union is concerned for workers rights and safeties, they did more to influence Labor Law than even the federal government, mainly because the government wouldn't enforce it early on. So before you start looking for a scapegoat for 3 decades of budgetary irresponsibility look at the boss
phantomkitsunezero 10 months ago 11
@phantomkitsunezero The unions need to get back to the basics it was founded.
v19d 7 months ago
@phantomkitsunezero I think eventually the union workers will take back its unions if the leaders or unions go more out of the way then what it was founded.
v19d 7 months ago
@v19d One can only hope as much, while I'm more moderately attuned, We do need more 'classic' union representatives that are there to represent workers, not personal gains/interests, As well as making sure workers in turn maintain professionalism and work ethic relative to a Union
phantomkitsunezero 7 months ago
@phantomkitsunezero my local UAW signed an agreement with management back is 83 to work together. result: a very good place to work, cash cow for GM and the most productive transmission plant in the US. Its not about making "outrageous" demands as some like to say, its about working together to ensure the future of the company and workers. Thats what unions are and can can be.
597914 5 months ago
@597914 I could only wish people today could understand that "compromise" isn't a dirty word and it would be used more commonly. Instead we have the classic "Red vs. Blue" scenario where you have to win, you can't work with the guy on the other side of the line. But Alas, I fear that the concept of "Unions are Bad" are now engrained, painted as an enemy of the people. Imagine how well the government could work if they could compromise on various bills. rather than the "All or nothing" approach
phantomkitsunezero 5 months ago
@v19d You said it all perfectly v19d, right on the money.
KingdomAwaits 5 months ago
@phantomkitsunezero please get educated. maybe you should start with basic economics. henry hazzlit: economics in one lesson is a good start.
Kpa1983 3 months ago
@Kpa1983 Please get educated on how favorable those 'glory days' of free economy were before any worker 'rights' were enforced. I won't say a union is the best answer, but it was originally the right response to organize those that have a stake in their conditions. The problem of a union, like any other representative body, is corruption nothing is immune to it. But go ahead and look into when the 'middle class' even began to emerge and when the federal government made worker's 'rights'.
phantomkitsunezero 3 months ago
@phantomkitsunezero i dont have a problem with any union. my problem is that unions are politically protected. thats the problem with a lot of people, i bet you will never read hazzlit. :(
Kpa1983 3 months ago
@Kpa1983 Same is true of companies :/ And I don't think I'll have the time to read it, have a stack of material to go through plus preparing for shipping off to bootcamp and because I work third shift I'm usually zonked by the end of the day :E. Enforce proper regulation on companies and I completely agree that neither side should be 'protected' beyond the universal rights you or I share
phantomkitsunezero 3 months ago
Fucking turncoat scum
aussieunionist 10 months ago
Ha!!! It began with Regan my ass!!
beaubicknese 11 months ago
Now you are claiming corruption in unions due to a change in financial reporting rules. Union Facts is a front group for individuals opposed to unions. It was founded by lobbyist Rick Berman. Proof? They report false salaries of union officials. "Rising" costs of unions? They are trying to KEEP what they negotiated. They have been giving up wages and benefits recently. Maybe you should find a better source for your info. Follow the corporate greed and you'll find the corruption.
597914 11 months ago
Unions are useless at sticking up for their members. They did nothing when my 23YO son was fired from his job in clothes retail, all because of some nonsense about “filming customers”, which was obviously just a silly joke that got a bit out of hand.
Just because a woman complained, his manager launched a ridiculous ‘investigation’ which included his work laptop being confiscated (slight invasion of privacy, I think!) & him being fired without notice.
His union rep did nothing!
SuperTruth77 1 year ago
@SuperTruth77 Oh yes...invading someone's privacy is always just a "silly joke that got a little out of hand." The nerve of that woman who was spied on in a clothing store to complain!
fek2000 11 months ago
@SuperTruth77
Your sons a pervert! Work laptop is WORKs laptop. If it was HIS laptop, that is an invasion of privacy.
As a hardline union member, you have to be willing to always do the right thing and make sure your i's are dotted... if not, there is the door,
The BA is not going to help you, panel is not going to be sympathetic when you get customer complaints of filming customers (which is sexual harrassment AND A "CARDINAL" as we say in our workplace.)
PositivelyBored 8 months ago
Latest figures on LABOR COSTS:less than 10% gap between US and foreign. Total wage and benefits costs: US=$59 foreign=$56 (average). Due mostly to UAW concessions PRIOR to GM/Chry bankruptcy AND AGAIN in 2009. Contrary to popular opinion the UAW doesn't make any demands and has been trying to help the greedy mismanaged Big 3 stay competitive even though Big 3 gave themselves raises. Know before you knock the UAW.Source Bloomberg.
597914 1 year ago
That's right. The unions are dragging everyone down and flushing the American economy right down the toilet. All of America's problems lie with unions. Do you know how absurd that sounds? It's like saying that a 5 year-old (labor) getting bullied by a 15 year-old (big business), is the reason why the playground isn't safe anymore. The 15 year-old has convinced you the 5-year old is the antagonist and you believe him. That is an obvious lie, just like the one big business has sold you on.
knucklepunt 1 year ago
@knucklepunt Unfortunately for your analogy labor is no longer the 5 year old. Labor is now the juiced up steroid user who flips out at the slightest provocation. Unions artificially limit that number of available jobs. This in turn causes scarcity which serves to drive up hourly rates. Sure, it's good for the electricians and plumbers who make $30 an hour. Not so good for the rest of the unemployed mob. Teacher unions that refuse to allow any form of job performance review to be part....
captwasabi 1 year ago
@knucklepunt ...of the review process for tenure. Police unions that require felon cops to still receive their pension. Auto worker unions with deals to staggering they force the price point of cars to be unable to compete with foreign cars. Unions may have once had a purpose but they have long since stopped being the good guy and sadly became the big bully on the block.
captwasabi 1 year ago
Anyone here who belongs to a state or fed union, you are welcome for your pension. I await the day when you are all out of work.
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organizingresearch 1 year ago
I prefer all the money the company I work for makes goes disproportionately to the CEOs and I also prefer not having health care, vacation time, or any pay raises. This is good for America because rich people spend all their money back into the economy while poor-middle class people tend to just horde their money under beds. What has America come to when a water treatment worker can buy a $200,000 house and put their kids through college. Makes me fucking sick!
Ladiestreat 1 year ago
Hahahaha... 220,000 dollars? He's worth it--- Hahahahaah!
thesquonkstear 1 year ago
labour laws pertaining to social justice are EXTREMELY important, however, unions aren't necessarily the way to go about it.
brapbraprcksn 1 year ago
@brapbraprcksn You are clueless...
irondog433lv 1 year ago
@brapbraprcksn Really! Labor "laws" are violated everyday by virtually every industry. Are you seriuos! Who enforces these laws? GM was just found guilty of violating these laws a few years ago and the judge gave them a slap on the wrist! No penalty, nothing...just a promise to not do it anymore! I work in a factory. GM can talk safety till they're blue, but without the UAW watching they will ignore everything for the dollar!
597914 1 year ago
social justice=Marxism
pete5668 1 year ago
What a fucker, look at the smug smirk on his face when he gets called out, I hope he chokes on his money
goldfishal 1 year ago
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Varalokkur 1 year ago
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Varalokkur 1 year ago
and charlieboy82, "my most ardent supporters are the companies who lobby congress to spend more money on weapons development and body armor research" are you living in the same world I am, because if you think those companies are doing this to save your ass you have a rude awakening coming, they are only doing it so the bosses can line their pockets... and our economy will turn around when the average Joe on the street has enough money to spend it on other than shelter and food for his family.
Varalokkur 1 year ago
charlieboy82, just because you are a marine doesn't make you an expert on our society, yes, there are people who just want a handout but most people want to work and be paid fairly...and I beg to differ on your comparison of a welfare bitch and an union worker... most union workers are no different than you, your neighbor, your father your friend, they are humans working to feed and clothe their family..and all those companies that failed, it wasn't the union, it was poor management decisions
Varalokkur 1 year ago
those who hate unions are usally cocksuckers, its harder to suck yhe bosses cock with the union present,and cocksuckers arent liked by the union and other members,some think that sucking cock gets them ahead, probally in the nonunion workplace, the lowest form of life is a company cocksucking scab
texas9085 1 year ago 9
@texas9085 Right on dog!
irondog433lv 1 year ago
@texas9085
Well, now they are Kochsuckers.
chgosatrap 10 months ago
@chgosatrap Yea you got that right!
jmck53 10 months ago
@texas9085 No, most are college educated. Most union workers I've met are backwards hillbillies.
Trollingwithmyhomies 9 months ago
@Trollingwithmyhomies Most colledge pussy I ve met are the type that dont want to get their hands dirty and ruin the manicure.pussy at best.
texas9085 9 months ago
@texas9085
spoken like a true blue collar
PIlotrcm 9 months ago
tell you what ive seen the difference in scab work and union work in the building trades,scabb hurry and get it done you get paid by the job,so if its not square who cares just get it done,ask this or any of the pukbags when they have thier house built make sure you have the scabbest POS you can find,so that you can get it done cheap,real cheap, why would a person that dosent make any money give a shit, what makes this POS worth 225k a year, ask yourself that , iam a teamster i dont make that
texas9085 1 year ago
Charlieboy sounds like such a pussy bitch cry baby. Absolutely delusional!
GrindcoreJihad 1 year ago
What a low life hunk of shit!! Selling everyone out....corrupt hunks of shit like that do that, should be put straight in jail...and so should the directors of companies that incite union corruption...Lock 'em up throw away the key.
Boltneck77 1 year ago
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Boltneck77 1 year ago
Makes me sick, all the problems on Wall Street, all the bailouts. Us teamsters are under concessions, and they (upper management) are giving bonuses out. All these corporate scums just have there hands out at the expense of the workers. How much more do we give before we say NO MORE! This dirtbag is a perfect example of a opportunist, what a lowlife.
skipdawg1 2 years ago
It's when we say NO MORE to the unions and their completely pathetic demands that drive companies to jerk up prices in order to still retain a profit, that's when our economy will turn around. You're a fucking idiot skippy.
charlieboy82 1 year ago
Fucking Scab!
skcodyerrus 2 years ago
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a bunch of lazy malcontents . Get a real job
biggerturtle 2 years ago
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fuck you lazy scum
biggerturtle 2 years ago
Steel worker here!
Stand up for your rights!
northerbrewer 2 years ago 3
Just remember this people... every dollar taken from a worker by their employer is a dollar taken from a local business that could be spent in the local economy supporting local businesses.How smart is that!!Pay us fuck all so we`ve got fuck all to spend in your shops, supermarkets, whitegoods stores,car yards etc.I`m not saying shop till you drop but if you receive crumbs you can only give back dust!!
78Sabre 2 years ago 5
unions are going to be around forever, someone has to look out for the middle class. I love my union, there is no way i would do what I do without our union. Bricklayers and Allied Craftworkers BAC oldest union in the USA. Try to export me to China!!
mustards12s 2 years ago 5
@mustards12s They won't export you. They will just stop using bricks.
cozyfoxstudio 1 year ago
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Joem734 2 years ago
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Unions are the reason our economy is in the shambles it is in the first place. Back in the industrial period they made sense, but now as work leans more towards an individual basis it should be allowed for individual reward. Getting paid $45 an hour for a $20 job is absolute bullshit, it's why companies can't stay competative and end up failing....like GMC. Great job, retards.
charlieboy82 2 years ago
I just want to ask you one question:
Have you ever refused a raise?
If an employer is paying his employees too much that is bad managment, not the fault of the employees.
IronicKismet 2 years ago 3
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skipdawg1 2 years ago
response to charlieboy82 Your an idiot! I suppose the piss poor management has nothing to do with it. Keep putting the blame on the ones whose time and labor makes the execs they're bonuses. Labor had NOTHING to do with the run on wall street, the greed of CEOs and banks. The sub-prime loan facade. Your response sounds like a typical kneejerk corporate suckoff...
skipdawg1 2 years ago
Yeah, because union management doesn't show a form of greed everytime they make ridiculous demands from executives, forcing them to institute a work program that in NO WAY can retain a profit for the company....which, by the way, is the PURPOSE of starting a company, to make a PROFIT. Congratulations, you're just another idiot that wants a handout without working for it. Shut the hell up and go to a communist nation dipshit.
charlieboy82 1 year ago
Is that ALL you got, a broad sweeping generalization. Ending with a stereotype, please, give me areal reason to convince me of your reasoning. Or don't they teach you that on right wing talkshows, Charlie?!?! Corporations should make a profit, without compromising workers pay, Now that the middle class is eroding, who will support business? Seems like we are not the ones who sold America out! oh, i will not shut the hell up. Educate yourself. Your wrong.
skipdawg1 1 year ago
Because somebody should be paid $15 an hour to push a button on an assembley line, right? WRONG. It's about getting what you work for, not getting what your union lawyers and managers DEMAND for you so they get voted in next year. Oh, and by the way, I'm not right-wing you idiot. Your ability to do nothing but speculate on me shows your ignorance. Go talk to somebody who buys into your bullshit, you're not fooling me dumbass.
charlieboy82 1 year ago
Who gets paid $15/hr to push a button on an assembly line? You really bought into that whole 'welfare queen' crap from the Regan era didn't you? Your statements a right wing talking points. Go work the typical blue collar job for a while. My guess is that you couldn't hack it.
jefevonQ 1 year ago 2
Couldn't hack it? My job puts me in the shittiest locations around the world. My employer constantly looks at ways to cut funding for my safety. My "customers" wave banners and signs that badmouth me and my fellow employees. Blue Collar works get to punch out and go home at night while I'm putting on body armor to go get shot at. I'm a US Marine, I don't support unions because it's nothing but a bunch of bitches wanting more money for less work. Come hack my world and then run your mouth.
charlieboy82 1 year ago
You don't have a position that falls under what we're discussing. I sure as hell don't wave banners that badmouth you and your coworkers. That is until you start with this political crap. The vast majority of the people who you are ripping on are your most ardent supporters. But, I'm sure that means nothing to you, because you have no understanding of the society you came from.
If you 'world' wants me to shut my mouth, then what are you doing there. Loudmouth meat head.
jefevonQ 1 year ago
Most ardent supporters? Please.. my most ardent supporters are the companies who lobby congress to spend more money on weapons development and body armor research. As for me not "understanding" the society.. I know far more about our society than you could ever dream of. Our society is ridden with worthless souls who want a hand out, that includes unions, the only difference between a union worker and a welfare bitch is punchinga t ime clock.
charlieboy82 1 year ago
Suuuure.
jefevonQ 1 year ago
@charlieboy82 The frigging UAW is one of the biggest supporters of the military! Do you know how many veteran's we support through fundraisers and visiting veterans homes? Do you know how many UAW members turned the tide building the very weapons that saved the world during WWII? Don't support unions... YOU EARNED IT! Thanks, but you're very wrong about unions. Unions don't cut any spending your gov't does!
597914 1 year ago
@597914 Hey, did you also know that the vast majority of the original members of the UAW were communist? Did you also know that the UAW is currently exempt from Obamacare? The UAW is the primary reason why the American auto industry is in the fucking shitter. Take your blinders off and look at the facts.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi talk about blinders! FYI the US auto industry is kicking ass right now and you seem to be a bit paranoid...are you serious? Original members communist! yeah so was Lucy Arnez! Obamacare? Your posts are stupid and full misinformation! labor costs? What a joke! You don't even know what you are talking about! Tell me what managmt adds? Dont need unions? where do you live Disneyland? obviously youve never worked for a large auto company. typical know nothing post.
597914 1 year ago
@597914 You seriously need to learn your history. The UAW became strongly anti-communist after it expelled its Communist leaders in the late 1940s. If not for WW2 then the UAW would likely STILL be reiddled with commies. Google "unions exempt from obamacare" and learn a little. And as for the auto industry, yeah, sales are pretty good. Bout how about @ the Big 3? Typical union shithead post. All full of koolaid, are we now? Take of the blinders and stop sucking the union boss dick.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi Big 3..that's who I was talking about because if you knew shit you would know the foreign Cos are getting their ass kicked. Google? Now there some research for ya! And really, you are scared of commies? The UAW is more American than your foreign loving ass. Thank God (which you don't believe in) there is Youtube so your little mind has a place to vent and read your ignorant words of spite. Go away turd.
597914 1 year ago
@597914 Foreign loving ass? What the fuck are you talking about? First off, nothing I said so far has been wrong. The original members of the UAW WERE communist and were forced out in the mid-40's. As for auto sales; Bloomberg, 8/10 "U.S. Auto Sales May Hit 28-Year Low as Discounts Flop" Try looking at YTD sales numbers fuckstick, not individual monthly numbers. And I have no idea why you are so scared of learning something from a google search though small minds are afraid of new concepts.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi Really reaching for the communist card dude. Do you know how stupid you sound? For the last 10 years I've been GIVING up wages and benefits so what the fuck exactly have we DEMANDED? That is an old tired lie spread by ignorants like you. I dont have to look at YTD all I have to look at is the hours we are working 12 hrs 6-7days a week. Thanks for the bailout loan!
597914 1 year ago
@597914 How is it reaching when it's fact? I do find it amusing that you don't have to look at YTD data because, obviously, your plant is indicative of the entire industry. Dude, you are such a tool it's pathetic. The only mismanagement at the Big 3 was giving in to your cocksuckers and your ridiculous demands. Because of those demands the Big 3 now account for less than 50% of the US auto market. How the fuck you can be so proud of yourself is staggering.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi your commentary doesn't equate to facts dude. Proud of myself, of course I am. Unlike you I actually know what I'm talking about and don't go around attacking somone's livelyhood when I know knothing about it except my own preconceived hate and bias. Now you say ridiculous demands, again EXACTLY what are those demands dumb ass? You do not know what you are talking about.
597914 1 year ago
@597914 It's very easy for you to deny facts because you suckle the union teat. The simple fact is that union workers make 3 times that of foreign transplant manufacturers. As a result vehicles of superior quality are sold at a lower price. That's reason one why the Big 3 have been getting bailouts for 50 years. I know that you're not going to pay any attention to what I say because, again, your a full-on sucking the union dick but I know what the facts are while you read the union newsletter.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi Thats a fucking lie. Foreign tp workers make more per hr than some UAW workers! Superior Quality! Whered you google that? i suppose you'll tell me next that the US hasnt subsidised foreign owned plants or that their gov'ts don't subsidise them either! Or that artificially dflated currency doesnt happen either? You are seriuosly misinformend! I make $28.73 / hr. So you are saying Honda pays them $7????? WTF!
597914 1 year ago
@597914 "Thanks for the bailout loan!" Spoken like the typical lazy fuckstick union workers are. Obviously more content to steal money then work for your own. I hope you die in your sub-par "American" built car. I'll be sure to never buy one of the Big 3 products.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi you forgot to add "drunken dope smoking crack heads."
597914 1 year ago
@597914 soory friend that was meant for that dumb ass commie capian wassabi. 1000 apologies
cozyfoxstudio 1 year ago
@cozyfoxstudio Wow. Really? Are you honestly such a pathetic fucking loser that you now have to follow me over to this thread? Was it not enough that I thoroughly trounced your every claim on that thread? You now want me to embarrass you here too?
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi You just embarrassed yourself. You don't even realize it.
cozyfoxstudio 1 year ago
@cozyfoxstudio Maybe in your delusional little world I did but in this place I call reality, I don't think so. Besides, your original post here just further proves how badly you suck at the internet. You couldn't even respond to me, you mistakenly responded to someone else. Dude, you suck at the internet. Log off.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi Actually you ARE totally right..... if we were in Solviet Russia. Yes, I did respond to the wrong one. I unlike you admit when I make a mistake. When you grow up, you will understand why adults do that. You can also see that I gave the guy that was educating you an apology. As for the internet. Capitalism didnt produce the internet so traitors like you could spew your communist propaganda and hate speech.
cozyfoxstudio 1 year ago
@cozyfoxstudio Lemme get this striaght. You followed me here. From another thread. And started talking shit to the wrong guy. And somehow that has to do with communism? Dude, you are truly fucking delusional. I have entertained your particular stupidity long enough. Have a great life.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@597914 And what the fuck does god have anything to do with how badly the UAW is fucking up the auto industry? It's because of bullshit UAW demands that the American auto industry has been getting regular government bailouts for the past 5 decades. Seriously, get the UAW dick out of your mouth and learn something!
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi How myopic to blame the UAW for the Big 3's mismanagement. Why is my UAW plant is kicking ass and making money for GM? Mexico makes the same transmission but their quality sucks because they can't keep the 19 yr olds working for $90 a week. You think you know how the auto plants operate but you don't know shit. Demands? WTF? The UAW and their concessions are the reason why GM is making their comback and they couldnt do it without us. Tell me what we demanded? U R A Joke!
597914 1 year ago
@597914 Oh please. The union concessions are the reason for GM's success? Really? Then by reversal of that pearl it was the Union demands that were responsible for the failure of GM. For fucks sake, the Big 3 pay their line workers THREE TIMES that of the foreign transplants and you have the fucking audacity to stroke your ego about some bullshit concession? Fuck you thief. This is why I'm never buying from one of the Big 3 again.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi first of all any google search that terms health care "obamacare" is already biased and the exemption you claim is merely a proposal. Like I said you are a paranoid freak the wants to blame everything for your failed stock portfolio. check with the comminists, I think they stole your brain.
597914 1 year ago
@597914 Fine you miserable prick. Google "unions exempt from healthcare legislation" instead. Washington Examiner "The best chance for compromise legislation on health care may be a plan under construction in the Senate Finance Committee that would pay for a public plan in part by taxing some worker health benefits. But the union workers who helped Democrats win Congress and the White House and whose support will be key in getting a health bill signed into law would not pay the tax."
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi excuse me dickhead, but please tell me where it says this is law? and while your at it please tell everyone the RIDICULOUS DEMANDS the UAW has made the last 10 years! Look, just because you want it to be fact doesn't make it so! You hate the UAW and you can't even back it up. That's called ignorance.
597914 1 year ago
@597914 I've backed up every fucking claim I've made. It's not my fault you're so fucking blind you just stick your fingers in your ears and ignore me. I'm fucking done dealing with your blind stupidity. Dealing with you is like dealing with the one idiot in the class who eats the paste. I'm fucking done with you so feel free to claim victory. I understand that those of your sub-par intelligence need this to feel better about themselves.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi FYI; Google isnt backing up every claim you made! Dude! I am the UAW...I think I know what I get paid. Know what I build. I can't claim victory against a poor misinformed fool like you. I'll claim victory when I collect my retirment check every month. Again. Thanks for the bailout loan.
597914 1 year ago
@597914 The only hope that I have is that once the Big 3 finally go belly up is that all the foreign companies tell the UAW to go fuck themselves lest the UAW fucking destroy those companies too.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@597914 And I don't own any stocks you stupid fuck and I'm putting blame right where it belongs. Greedy fucking union cocksuckers and the moronic companies that capitulate to them and the asshole politicians who enable this incestuous relationship. You know the root word there? Incest? It's what you do with your brother every night.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@597914 Lucy Ball wasnt communist but her grandfather was. The auto industry is doing well now because we had to bail them out. The reason American car companies cant compete with Japan is because of the bloated Unions who, inflated the cost of labor and destroyed the quality of the product and the city of Detroit. The punk in this video is clearly lying and you cansee the micro expression on his face when everyone laughs. I see you are annoying people all over the internet. You are a loser
cozyfoxstudio 1 year ago
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Unions are for uneducated losers who rely on the gov to take care of them. Do you think that you might be making alot less because you haven't done anything to improve yourself. And people wonder why companies outsource and send jobs over seas instead of overpaying Americans who think that they deserve it. How many people with degrees are in, or need a union?
robushly 2 years ago
Without labor unions,your world would stop spinning.Just look around.Watch your insults-you cunt
mndb3k 2 years ago
I agree. People who do thinks like keeping the sewage system running, teaching kids and nursing the sick are losers who we should despise when they ask for wages that amount to a tiny fraction of those paid to owners.
wid85 2 years ago 10
Teaching kids? Are you shitting me? Have you looked at America's performance on the national scale when it comes to education? That's what you get with a union, teachers who just sit in a classroom and do crossword puzzles because their contract stipulates they can't be fired....so where is the motivation to do their job?
charlieboy82 1 year ago
@charlieboy82 thats what you get with an unorganized, weak teacher's union. dont blanket the situation and stereotype all unions based on one particular failure. TEAMSTERS for a better life
esdee760 1 year ago
@robushly Damn fucking skippy! Preach!
captwasabi 1 year ago
I love my union. If it weren't for them, I'd not only be making ALOT less than I do now, I wouldn't have been able to buy my first home during this recession.
ajd1211 2 years ago 5
Is The Recession Permanent? YES AS LONG AS COMPANY OWNERS DON'T PAY THERE EMPLOYEES ANYTHING AND CHARGE TO MUCH FOR THERE PRODUCT WHO IS GOING TO BUY IT I CAN'T BUY A NEW $20,000 CAR IF I MAKE 9.00 AN HOUR AND I WONT BUY A HOUSE IF I DON'T KNOW IF I WILL HAVE A JOB TOMORROW THERE JUST TRYING TO GET RID OF UNIONS SO THEY CAN GET RID OF THE MIDDLE CLASS THINK ABOUT IT NO UNIONS NO GOOD PAYING JOBS AND A NON UNION COMPANY CAN PAY EVEN LESS GET READY FOR MINIMUM WAGE
atnipjoe 2 years ago 5
this guy is a scum bag piece of crap sellout make your money dont hurt others in the process
junehendrix 2 years ago 5
That's a woman?!?!?! Holy Shit, " IT - Pat - manish looking thing " must be taking homons and going through tranny surgery, HOW DISGUSTING!
TomsFriendKake 2 years ago
My Union got me$ 2,877.00 per month retirement, thank you Teamsters.
tmarc2008 2 years ago
As a son of a union man, and a member of a professor's union myself, I get so annoyed at people who complain about union dues, and have no clue what they get in return; the only reason why people think things are good enough to not have unions is becuase of unions...people who want to bust-unions will make you believe that unions are the bad guy, but I rarely trust anyone who is making 50 times what I make to tell me the truth about what is good for the worker.
michael301 2 years ago 14
@michael301 Why are there no unions in Silicon Valley? I'll tell you why, Silicon Valley would not exist if there were unions. The companies simple could not afford to deal with the nonsense of Labor Unions. You are worth what someone is willing to pay you and that's determined by the market. If you are a professor then you must have studied economics at one time or another. Apparently you didn't learn much. You need to go back and read some Hayek.
juscurious 1 year ago
@juscurious You have no idea what Unions did for the American worker, from fair treatment to appropiate pay. If markets determined how much someone makes than why do CEOs make so much more than the worker, even in a bad economy? Markets are controlled by those in control, not otherwise, thusly appropriate checks need to be placed. Economics does not take into account people; by your account, you are okay with the Irish potato famine and the death therein, because the market caused the famine.
michael301 1 year ago
@michael301 You have got to be kidding. The cause of the Irish Potato Famine was a Mole called Phytophthora Infestans. It had nothing to do with economic markets. And please define appropriate pay. What's appropriate to me may not be appropriate to you. Is it appropriate that some basketball stars make $10 million a year. No, not to me but then again I shouldn't be the one to judge that. I'm not smart enough. Markets determine that sort of thing. CEO's are regularly let go when they fail.
juscurious 1 year ago
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michael301 1 year ago
@juscurious @juscurious I was too casual in my response. I know what the caused the famine, but the English never dealt with the issue because it was thought that it would fix itself: Laissez faire. The market place is affected by food shortage due to infestans, but you would argue that there should be no relief, because the market would correct itself, and any relief would perturb that process. Hayek, tho, believed in some government intervention around regulation etc.
michael301 1 year ago
@michael301
Then you shouldn't trust your wealthy union mafia leaders, especially when they give so heavily to democrats. Tell me wise one, do you know how much of your union dues go to democrats? i mean politicians.
DietLite1986 1 year ago
@DietLite1986 Thanks for the compliment. I know which candidates my union supports, yes, and I know often they are democrats or working family party, because that is the political group that supports union. I refute your claim that union leaders are mafia, and as the wise one, I assume you will take my word for it.
michael301 1 year ago
@DietLite1986
Tell me, oh wise one. How much money on the Republican/big business side goes to anti-union busting activities?
trelane227 1 year ago
@DietLite1986 None of my dues. I support political education through my CAP fund that I donate each month. This money is used to educate our members and community which platform gov't leaders support. Our vote is the only thing we give to any candidate and if they want it they better support labor, fair trade laws and have a record that proves it.
597914 1 year ago
@DietLite1986 Tell us what Beck's dick taste like ???
Better yet, don't.
rickbar123 1 year ago
@michael301 The Unions steal 30% from their members. But that money is never seen by th emember. It is deposited directly into th eunion's account by management.
MartyMac61 1 year ago
@MartyMac61 Wrong! My union does not steal any money from me. My union uses their members dues for education purposes for classes from civil & human rights, women's issues to training for my job. each member has an opportunity to attend many different classes paid for through my dues. We also make several donations to community fundraisers and support our schools. stop spreading lies about something you obviously know nothing about. Unions support your community.
597914 1 year ago
@michael301 Yeah, it's pretty foolish that people want all the organization and power in their employer's hands. Some unions have definitely gone too far though.
newguy33X 1 year ago
@michael301 Figure it out on your own then genius.
CelticKraut 1 year ago
@michael301 Yeah, I can really see the good behind unions. Teachers unions that prevent any level of accountability in our teachers.Cop unions that allow dirty cops to keep their salary. Most trade unions artificially limit the amount of available workers so as to inflate their hourly wage due to fraudulent scarcity. Then there's the auto unions which make American cars unable to compete with foreign cars due to excessive pricing. Unions no longer serve a purpose.
captwasabi 1 year ago
@captwasabi I never said all unions are good. There are issues, for sure. I am not an un-nuanced supporter of unions. Thank you, however, for noting the unions have served a purpose in the past. I still believe they do, sorry you have lost faith.
michael301 1 year ago
@michael301 all you do on this post is bash unions why? your sheepskin bail on you? go get a job and quit bitchin, just learn to say "welcome to Walmart." Your logic is a race to the bottom. Lets all make minimum wage, then whos gonna buy your crap your selling like the crap your trying to sell on this post? Why do you care what wages the UAW make?
597914 1 year ago