Western civilization through out history has left his mark & becomes as the 'the dark-deceptive side of human reality, the Evil part of a divine plan' in our dualistic 4-dimensional Context, which into battle with its progressive opposite constitutes an engine for the movements ahead !
Down With The criminal, rotten, corrupt, Satanic U.S., Wild-West Terrorism, Zionism & their War Machine MIC, Root Cause of the Evil on Earth !
The Luciferian concept of Western masonic-despotism as a Makiavelian system built to maintain the Status Que, through Fear & power of the Negative Aspects!
The simple main question is Whether the Anglo-Americans in particular or Western world generally,has ever lived in peace with the rest of the world?
Are they able at all,to live on their own merits, in peaceful coexistence with humanity & Mother Earth?
I highly doubt it, there seems to be against their Talmudic-Eugenist Evil- nature!
Pretty sure I'd call watching your aircraft fly into buildings when you thought you were going to visit gramma in L.A. torture. I worked for American Airlines in New York and Boston, and knew those people in those planes. I can only imagine what they went through. Water boarding is all they got??? Far too good for those animals. Cowards??? Cowards sent 3,000 innocent Americans to their deaths. They got what they deserved. I wish I could have watched.
The people you're referring to didn't kill anyone on 911. If they did, they'd already be dead as a result of the crash.
I understand your anger... But the people that you're directing your anger to didn't cause 911. The people being waterboarded are only being tortured because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. They are the whipping boys who are paying the consequences of other peoples evil deeds. And you're right... Cowards did kill 3,000 innocent Americans. And they are cowards.
But those people had a hand in it. Osama didn't die there, but he certainly is responsible. Torture is definitely too good for him. I think he should be forcibly gender-reasssigned and made to work at hooters. Point is, this wasn't the work of some rogue lone gunmen. It was a network. (nutty American chicks arrested for plotting against that Scandinavian cartoonist.) This is a real danger and needs to be addressed. If that's what it takes to save more of my friends from slaughter, so be it.
Who had a hand in it? People who you are told had a hand in it simply because the propaganda machine says they did? Please give me a break. The fact is that you don't know what these people did or didn't do. You are simply going along because you feel a need for some kind of closure. But you won't get it. Know why? Because every time the media tells you they caught the person behind it, low and behold, they find 3 others who were behind it. No closure. A war on terror is an intangible war.
You're right! I'm sure the government was rounding up people that were completely innocent. They just LIKED to torture innocents. That must be it. I'm sorry if your logic is flawed, but you cannot give me shred of opposing evidence that these people we not the terrorists they were accused of being. "In the wrong place at the wrong time?" Really. A was on terror is not intangible. The Israelis seem to have a handle on it. If their planes are hijacked, they get destroyed. No negotiation.
A war on terror is indeed intangible and it can't be won. It's like declaring a war on hate. It's a foolish concept because it's a war on an ideology. Beliefs transcend territorial boundaries. You're the one who's convinced they're terrorists. Explain to me how you know this to be fact. You seem to forget that we are supposed to be a nation that presumes innocence before guilt. But you evidently prefer drastic emotional measures to rational ones. And to hell with the consequences of being wrong.
Presumption of innocence is a right reserved for an American citizen, not an enemy combatant. By an act of terrorism, you declare war on our people. And you obviously don't believe in "hate crimes" so I can't call you a cowardly liberal. These people didn't just get picked up for no reason. They had proven terrorist ties, the deserved what they got. Logically, it makes sense to get the information you need, to preserve life that you cherish, by any means necessary. Look up "emergency powers."
I know all about "emergency powers" and if you want to talk about acts of cowardice, that is a great example right there. The suspension of habeas corpus, freezing of assets, and the confiscation of property under the guise of security is by far a fantastic example of cowardice. It is a circumvention of all of the principles that once made this a great nation that valued individual liberty and turned it into a nation of paranoid neurotics who believe a boogie man is in every airport.
We didn't have an attack for 8 years between the two world trade center attacks. That was before the patriot act, torture memos, etc. What was the reason for that? What about the moron who almost blew up a plane over Detroit. It wasn't draconian legislation that stopped it. His underwear bomb malfunctioned and thankfully he only ended up burning his nutsack when it could've been a hell of a lot worse. We haven't had an attack since. Elephants haven't stampeded NYC either. Thanks patriot act. : p
Yeah I agree. Some of my fellow flight attendants (and passengers) seemed to get the hint and were diligently monitoring the cabin. Ask those people what they think about "torture" after someone had an explosive device in their faces, threatening them and their families. You want terror? You want torture? Talk to those people who were actually in the forefront. Who's lives were really at stake for reasons that had nothing to do with them. This may be academic for you, but these are ppl's lives.
I'm not insensitive to the fact that these are peoples lives. I'm very aware of that and I am affected with the same emotions as everyone else when something terrible happens. I also understand that you are looking at this on more of a personal level because of your career in the airline industry. I'm simply saying that alot of the measures put into effect since 911 are extremely counterproductive and will do more harm in the long run. It will create more enemies and suspend more liberties.
I think our enemies have been festering for a long time. There were never grievances filed with the UN against our presence in some of these places. (that is assuming you buy the "the hate us because of our interference" theory.) As far as liberties, people and whole communities weren't disappearing in the night like in Germany. There were reasons these guys were brought into custody (like that nutty cartoon-hating woman in Europe last week.) and t hey had impartial observers,
Just because someone is a suspect does not mean that they are guilty. I have very strong opinions that question the administrations handling of suspected terrorists. Does that mean that I sympathize with a terrorists agenda? Of course not. But by your rationale, you could say jboyko3 made subversive comments on a youtube forum. He might be a terrorist. At which point it could raise the eyebrows of big brother. And they may read into something entirely different than the intention of the comment.
That's different. You are a U.S. citizen with the right to free speech. I know for a fact they weren't picking people based on something they said. If that were the case I wouldn't have seen one taxi driver in NYC after 911. I cede that I'm anti-big government. They do unconstitutionally intrude into every facet of our lives and are trying to grow bigger as we speak. I do have an issue with Dems. saying they "had no idea." And blaming the GOP but willing to take unwarranted credit in victory.
Calling torture "enhanced interrogations" is like calling rape "enhanced lovemaking". It is an ugly twist of the original act in which the intention has been perverted in order to enjoy a self-fulfilling agenda that cruelly mirrors the original act. Both are violent and penetrative and only scar the victim while empowering the perpetrator. And nothing real comes from it other then a temporary sense of relief.
Fantastic line. I'm going to be using that every chance I get. And the idea that they gave themselves a get-out-of-jail set of memos to excuse their practices is pure evil.
(Calling torture "enhanced interrogations" is like calling rape "enhanced lovemaking". )
Thank you, I hope you accept that I will be using this excellent phrase in discussions of this issue as well as the previous poster. It clearly makes the necessary point.
@jboyko3 Enhanced love making! LOL, Attention Rape Suspects, you can use this quote during your arraignment! "Your honor, I was proceeding with enhanced love making techniques"! LMFAO!
He's proud tortured people, some even to death, could give false information to justify maintaining & expanding military aggression
He is proud to have violated domestic & international law like true war criminals
They are as un-American as can possibly be conceived so thanks alot Repub voters, family values people & 'real Americans' for bringing that criminal organization into power and lay waste to everything they touched. You must be proud
You've nailed it on the head. Fascists serve corporations, and corporations, from time to time, must mow down humanity in order to free up capital they don't have access to. And Rove nicely served corporate interests.
When our these people going to be brought up on war crime charges? Our law community should be ashamed of itself, they are cowards for not getting together and bringing real f-ing charges on these criminals, Rove, Cheney, Bush, Rice, and Rumsfeld... Wilkerson you are a piece of s-it too...
They're good . Isabella has been kicking the shit out of my wife . I love it . She does it on command . If I speak at Lynns belly and tell Izzy to kick her mom she starts going nuts .
Moxnews in a Government disinformation device, you can thank Hobama and his Henchmen!
Gloomshadow1 1 year ago
This is why nobody watches MSNBC.
kilian111 1 year ago
What a Quandry---who is crazier...?
Lawrence "O'donald I'm crazy" O'Donell or Keith "twist reality" Olbermann.
Rove may not be a virgin---but these guys are patently Insane !
All those MSNBC "News" people are nuts--with the exception of a few from "Morning Joe".
Fox has some real doozies---but MSNBC is ludicrous and is led by these two Insane Clowns.
rwwagsneb 1 year ago
Nothing wrong with that - as a proud European Nazi, I am proud of the Purification. I am only angry that we cannot celebrate it.
ilkinond 1 year ago
wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder
Tolerance against intolerance could lead to strange fumes and sudden death!
Tressco 1 year ago
Rove has been jacking off behind the two way mirrors in the torture centers.
Ranlon 1 year ago 2
Why is Karl Rove not in jail? Him and Donald Rumsfield should be sharing the same cell together.
hstone39 1 year ago 4
Cable network TV - corporate media is pretty much a big part of the matrix.
Control!
Distract.
Lie.
The internet is next.
OutSideDeMatrix 1 year ago 3
THE MATRIX HAS YOU!
The bankster oligharky has the USA and it's citizens in a really terrible place.
Military industrial complex, congress paid off criminals, white house is a joke - the selection than the election and so on.
Water boarding and suspending temporary rights and liberties is typical for all these crooks. Wars for resources - illegal.
As the crooks, called congress, keep passing bils to turn the USA into a prison state - not a real stretch - it already is!
OutSideDeMatrix 1 year ago 2
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Western civilization through out history has left his mark & becomes as the 'the dark-deceptive side of human reality, the Evil part of a divine plan' in our dualistic 4-dimensional Context, which into battle with its progressive opposite constitutes an engine for the movements ahead !
Down With The criminal, rotten, corrupt, Satanic U.S., Wild-West Terrorism, Zionism & their War Machine MIC, Root Cause of the Evil on Earth !
& Judgment days to come !
zolgharn 2 years ago
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The Luciferian concept of Western masonic-despotism as a Makiavelian system built to maintain the Status Que, through Fear & power of the Negative Aspects!
The simple main question is Whether the Anglo-Americans in particular or Western world generally,has ever lived in peace with the rest of the world?
Are they able at all,to live on their own merits, in peaceful coexistence with humanity & Mother Earth?
I highly doubt it, there seems to be against their Talmudic-Eugenist Evil- nature!
zolgharn 2 years ago
Pretty sure I'd call watching your aircraft fly into buildings when you thought you were going to visit gramma in L.A. torture. I worked for American Airlines in New York and Boston, and knew those people in those planes. I can only imagine what they went through. Water boarding is all they got??? Far too good for those animals. Cowards??? Cowards sent 3,000 innocent Americans to their deaths. They got what they deserved. I wish I could have watched.
flobrew 2 years ago
The people you're referring to didn't kill anyone on 911. If they did, they'd already be dead as a result of the crash.
I understand your anger... But the people that you're directing your anger to didn't cause 911. The people being waterboarded are only being tortured because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. They are the whipping boys who are paying the consequences of other peoples evil deeds. And you're right... Cowards did kill 3,000 innocent Americans. And they are cowards.
jboyko3 2 years ago
But those people had a hand in it. Osama didn't die there, but he certainly is responsible. Torture is definitely too good for him. I think he should be forcibly gender-reasssigned and made to work at hooters. Point is, this wasn't the work of some rogue lone gunmen. It was a network. (nutty American chicks arrested for plotting against that Scandinavian cartoonist.) This is a real danger and needs to be addressed. If that's what it takes to save more of my friends from slaughter, so be it.
flobrew 2 years ago
Who had a hand in it? People who you are told had a hand in it simply because the propaganda machine says they did? Please give me a break. The fact is that you don't know what these people did or didn't do. You are simply going along because you feel a need for some kind of closure. But you won't get it. Know why? Because every time the media tells you they caught the person behind it, low and behold, they find 3 others who were behind it. No closure. A war on terror is an intangible war.
jboyko3 2 years ago
You're right! I'm sure the government was rounding up people that were completely innocent. They just LIKED to torture innocents. That must be it. I'm sorry if your logic is flawed, but you cannot give me shred of opposing evidence that these people we not the terrorists they were accused of being. "In the wrong place at the wrong time?" Really. A was on terror is not intangible. The Israelis seem to have a handle on it. If their planes are hijacked, they get destroyed. No negotiation.
flobrew 2 years ago
A war on terror is indeed intangible and it can't be won. It's like declaring a war on hate. It's a foolish concept because it's a war on an ideology. Beliefs transcend territorial boundaries. You're the one who's convinced they're terrorists. Explain to me how you know this to be fact. You seem to forget that we are supposed to be a nation that presumes innocence before guilt. But you evidently prefer drastic emotional measures to rational ones. And to hell with the consequences of being wrong.
jboyko3 2 years ago
Presumption of innocence is a right reserved for an American citizen, not an enemy combatant. By an act of terrorism, you declare war on our people. And you obviously don't believe in "hate crimes" so I can't call you a cowardly liberal. These people didn't just get picked up for no reason. They had proven terrorist ties, the deserved what they got. Logically, it makes sense to get the information you need, to preserve life that you cherish, by any means necessary. Look up "emergency powers."
flobrew 2 years ago
I know all about "emergency powers" and if you want to talk about acts of cowardice, that is a great example right there. The suspension of habeas corpus, freezing of assets, and the confiscation of property under the guise of security is by far a fantastic example of cowardice. It is a circumvention of all of the principles that once made this a great nation that valued individual liberty and turned it into a nation of paranoid neurotics who believe a boogie man is in every airport.
jboyko3 2 years ago
We haven't had an attack like that since. I'd say something worked.
flobrew 2 years ago
We didn't have an attack for 8 years between the two world trade center attacks. That was before the patriot act, torture memos, etc. What was the reason for that? What about the moron who almost blew up a plane over Detroit. It wasn't draconian legislation that stopped it. His underwear bomb malfunctioned and thankfully he only ended up burning his nutsack when it could've been a hell of a lot worse. We haven't had an attack since. Elephants haven't stampeded NYC either. Thanks patriot act. : p
jboyko3 1 year ago
Yeah I agree. Some of my fellow flight attendants (and passengers) seemed to get the hint and were diligently monitoring the cabin. Ask those people what they think about "torture" after someone had an explosive device in their faces, threatening them and their families. You want terror? You want torture? Talk to those people who were actually in the forefront. Who's lives were really at stake for reasons that had nothing to do with them. This may be academic for you, but these are ppl's lives.
flobrew 1 year ago
I'm not insensitive to the fact that these are peoples lives. I'm very aware of that and I am affected with the same emotions as everyone else when something terrible happens. I also understand that you are looking at this on more of a personal level because of your career in the airline industry. I'm simply saying that alot of the measures put into effect since 911 are extremely counterproductive and will do more harm in the long run. It will create more enemies and suspend more liberties.
jboyko3 1 year ago
I think our enemies have been festering for a long time. There were never grievances filed with the UN against our presence in some of these places. (that is assuming you buy the "the hate us because of our interference" theory.) As far as liberties, people and whole communities weren't disappearing in the night like in Germany. There were reasons these guys were brought into custody (like that nutty cartoon-hating woman in Europe last week.) and t hey had impartial observers,
flobrew 1 year ago
Just because someone is a suspect does not mean that they are guilty. I have very strong opinions that question the administrations handling of suspected terrorists. Does that mean that I sympathize with a terrorists agenda? Of course not. But by your rationale, you could say jboyko3 made subversive comments on a youtube forum. He might be a terrorist. At which point it could raise the eyebrows of big brother. And they may read into something entirely different than the intention of the comment.
jboyko3 1 year ago
That's different. You are a U.S. citizen with the right to free speech. I know for a fact they weren't picking people based on something they said. If that were the case I wouldn't have seen one taxi driver in NYC after 911. I cede that I'm anti-big government. They do unconstitutionally intrude into every facet of our lives and are trying to grow bigger as we speak. I do have an issue with Dems. saying they "had no idea." And blaming the GOP but willing to take unwarranted credit in victory.
flobrew 1 year ago
Hitler was proud of what he did. So was Stalin. All megolmaniacs are proud of their actions.
PastorGeezuss 2 years ago
Calling torture "enhanced interrogations" is like calling rape "enhanced lovemaking". It is an ugly twist of the original act in which the intention has been perverted in order to enjoy a self-fulfilling agenda that cruelly mirrors the original act. Both are violent and penetrative and only scar the victim while empowering the perpetrator. And nothing real comes from it other then a temporary sense of relief.
jboyko3 2 years ago 11
Fantastic line. I'm going to be using that every chance I get. And the idea that they gave themselves a get-out-of-jail set of memos to excuse their practices is pure evil.
tgrigsby7 2 years ago 3
(Calling torture "enhanced interrogations" is like calling rape "enhanced lovemaking". )
Thank you, I hope you accept that I will be using this excellent phrase in discussions of this issue as well as the previous poster. It clearly makes the necessary point.
--
Rove is a criminal and a war criminal too.
ThunderDog97 2 years ago 4
I like that phrase too.
hstone39 1 year ago
@jboyko3 Enhanced love making! LOL, Attention Rape Suspects, you can use this quote during your arraignment! "Your honor, I was proceeding with enhanced love making techniques"! LMFAO!
deeppurple28 9 months ago
Sure he is proud, he's a fascist
He's proud tortured people, some even to death, could give false information to justify maintaining & expanding military aggression
He is proud to have violated domestic & international law like true war criminals
They are as un-American as can possibly be conceived so thanks alot Repub voters, family values people & 'real Americans' for bringing that criminal organization into power and lay waste to everything they touched. You must be proud
Navywxman 2 years ago 5
You've nailed it on the head. Fascists serve corporations, and corporations, from time to time, must mow down humanity in order to free up capital they don't have access to. And Rove nicely served corporate interests.
tgrigsby7 2 years ago 2
tgrigsby7 - Always nice to see I'm not alone in seeing these people like Rove for what they really are, fascist servants of corporate power.
They are so entrenched in the system that I fear 'we the people' are royally screwed.
Navywxman 2 years ago
I bet the pig face would consider it torture if it happened to him.
AiresQX4 2 years ago 4
When our these people going to be brought up on war crime charges? Our law community should be ashamed of itself, they are cowards for not getting together and bringing real f-ing charges on these criminals, Rove, Cheney, Bush, Rice, and Rumsfeld... Wilkerson you are a piece of s-it too...
ISENTRY 2 years ago 4
Rove is despicable ! We should waterboard him with his own piss !!!!!
zibbadow 2 years ago 9
Hey, long time no speak. Hows the wife and baby?
AiresQX4 2 years ago
They're good . Isabella has been kicking the shit out of my wife . I love it . She does it on command . If I speak at Lynns belly and tell Izzy to kick her mom she starts going nuts .
How's yours doing ?
zibbadow 2 years ago