(34)Hydrogen production. Who is telling the truth.

[stopcraponutube]

If the power is coming for free from a solar cell to make the hydrogen, would this make overunity? Just looking into this as a beginner and hoping to use HHO for cooking with in my home...

[delvis11]

@stopcraponutube Overunity is when a device puts out more energy then it takes in. For cooking I would suggest suggest using pure hydrogen. You can make it with your solar panels and be able to store it. HHO cannot be compressed.

[Me102288]

@itchyundies old alternators need power to magnetize the stator, they waste almost half the power they make because of this, permanent magnet alternetors dont take any electricity so they out put much more. A dc electric motor will generate power to if you spin it, yes :-) need a pretty big one to get 600 watts, if you can find one, old treadmill have big dc motors, For spinning it you need 4 stroke engine.2 stroke need gas/oil mix, be very difficult with hho. 

[Me102288]

@itchyundies hho runs a generator, generator outputs power for storage in battery's.

[Me102288]

@itchyundies currently supplying power to most of our lighting in the house during the night. Much like solar panels or wind turbines', the output is whatever you want to use it for. I can also use the hho generator for a torch too.

[dragonheadtriad]

OK i have to say this is BS sorry don't like to rain on your parade but this tech is new and trying to use one equation for different system is imposible they would widely range as far as effecency and im sure you have study certain laws but the whole idea of new technology is to break laws just like self effecient magnetic generators that really WORK and runn entire houses and even in one i've seen ran a city block. so just to say you seem like a smart kid but you have to take into count design

[delvis11]

@dragonheadtriad I just want people to be a little bit more informed when looking into this technology. If science is close that isn't the fault of the experimenter for the reasons that you said. Its the most gross representations of the tech. that I am pointing out here.

[Me102288]

@delvis11 your basing you knowledge on 100 year old laws. Your technically saying we arent capable of learning. Well guess what, a lawnmower engine takes 75 watts in hho (to generate), the permanent, magnet alternator it turns is 2 KILOWATTS.

but faradays couldn't know that BECAUSE PERMANENT MAGNET ALTERNATORS DIDN:T EXIST BACK THEN.. your "laws" have been broken.

[Me102288]

@dragonheadtriad hho technology is NOT new.. lookup Brown's gas. governments been trying to hide it over 100 years.

[dragonheadtriad]

@Me102288 well yea i know, i got a whole book on this technology, William A Rhodes and Professor Yull Brown who both came up with this technology back in 1884 but the fact that the goverment has been hiding this for so long still makes it new technology and the fact on how technical stuff works, it can always be inproved so yes it is still new so any researce or literature on it can't be 100% accurate if you can understand that thats the whole point of my comment "laws are made to be Broken"

[Me102288]

@dragonheadtriad basically what I keep saying to ppl, the oil company's cant sweep us under the rug... and the internet is fueling us with information they dont want us to learn lol

[lucianfotache]

@dragonheadtriad LOOOOOL what wrong you are,better look for the new HHO car made by Honda,after that let's see if you still keep your idea!!

[dragonheadtriad]

@lucianfotache what wrong i am HAHA that car is an example of exatly what i'm explaining is that, and i'll do this in bold so you understand, TECHNOLOGY CAN ALWAYS BE IMPROVED. So please explain what i was WRONG about

[ke4uyp]

In this video you never mention temperature compensation for any of the calculations you did.

Obviously 1000 ml equals 1 liter. So if we take your number 6.99 mmw divided it into 1000

this should equal the wattage that is required to make one liter.

1000 / 6.99= 143.06 watts for 1 liter of HHO

Now your magic number of 2.4 if it is multiplied by 60 will equal the wattage at 100 percent efficiency.

2.4 X 60= 144 watts for 1 liter of HHO

So according to your data you are still Overunity.

[delvis11]

@ke4uyp why would I mention temperature compensation in this type of video. That video is about the production. In the video I say I was running about 16 amps and 240 volts. The bottle is rising so fast if I was off by one tenth of a second it would throw all the efficiency calculations off. The calculations are clearly approximate. I don't understand why your pushing your point.

[Me102288]

@delvis11 240 volts ? you do know electrolysis = 1.48 volts a plate... say your running a 4" cube drycelll (I am) my cell takes 12 volts at 15 amps... for 1.5 litre a minute.... 240 would create mass heat and boil the water... jesus, do your research... 12 volts x 15 amps is 180 watts.. 3 60 watt light bul;bs worth of power... where the hell ya get 240 volts out of a 12volt car battery lol....

[Me102288]

@delvis11 I'm not gunna call it over unity because I dont know the math to compare water to electricity.. basically I gotta pour more water in to keep the power going so, I'd call these free energy, since water is free, my lil hho drycell puts out 1.5 litre @ only 15 amps (12 volt) and I still got the plates heating up a bunch more then I'd like. Still the lttlle weed wacker engine its running easily turns a permanent magnet alternator (24 volts @80 to 100 amps output at 800 rpm,

[Me102288]

@ke4uyp yup, been done, take 75 watt to generate, (lawnmower engine to permanent magnet alternator) puts out 200 watt @800 rpm.. if water is free then I'm not claiming over unity, I'm claiming free energy...

don't believe me? lol I dont care I'm saving $1000's lol rules and laws can be broken the next advance in technology

[ke4uyp]

You are also claiming overunity in your video

30 LPM!! 118 plate Monster Hydrogen cell Back from the dead part5

You clearly show 1 liter production in 2 seconds

You also state 240v X 16A=3840 watts

3840 watts X 2 =7680 / 3600= 2.133

This is equal to 112.5 percent

[delvis11]

@ke4uyp In that video I misspoke. I should have said 250v @ 16 amps. but lets use your numbers. you state 2.13 watt hours which is overunity. yes that is but your equation is not complete. The cell was running a 140 degrees. you didn't calculate the amount of moisture (steam). mmw is 7.81, temp compensated is 6.99. thats 90.2% to Faraday. 250@ 16 amps is 86% to Faraday. Calculating LPM with that amount of gas is hard. there is a lot of room for error but nowhere is there overunity.

[Me102288]

@ke4uyp that wasnt design for a car, that was just fun experiment

[levettp]

Where do you get the 2.4 Watthours from?

The one HHO reactor that you criticise ... I bought one and here is the result:

13 Amp @ 12 Volt gave me 0.833 l/min HHO

[delvis11]

@levettp the numbers you just gave me are 68% to Faraday. That isn't overunity. That would be normal for a device of that type.

[levettp]

@delvis11 to get to the 68% you use a figure of 2.4 Watthour .... where do you get the 2.4 Watthour from?

[delvis11]

@levettp give me your email and i will send it to you.

[magic2fun1992]

i dont mean to by one of those little punks that ask a lot of questions but how do i know you didn't just make this video to sell your product? and it gets 20%-60% gas mileage, i find it bull crap im super sorry, but why wouldn't the dealers just add them on cause then more people would buy their cars. do you know what im talking about? but i am for real im not trying to be a little punk just wondering, i dont want to get screwed. THANKS!

[delvis11]

@magic2fun1992 vary rarely will someone get more than 20 to 30%. If you watch more of my video's you will see that I'm trying to be honest and give the information as best as i can. You don't have to believe me or buy any of my products. The information on building these is given freely on my website in the "learning center" There is a lot of crap out there and I was trying to point out some of it. That was the purpose of this video. Your not a "punk" Thats a good question.

[CHELLIE2408]

Faraday's Law ? ((( All Lies,))) Anothercoilgun is Right :) you cant measure the work browns gas does, explain Dowsing, it works, its a unknown source of energy, it detects water, water in its self is power, orgon/ester/ which is unknown to most, Take off your Blinders and see :) Take care, Chellie

Westinghouse patented overunity process on Minuteman missile in 1960s

go to google and type in the above.

:) :) :) LOL

[delvis11]

@CHELLIE2408 your comment made absolutely no sense......

[CHELLIE2408]

@delvis11

sure it does, People use faradays law to try to prove overunity does not exist, over unity does exist, and is hidden and covered up, they( gov, oil comp, etc, do not want you to know or have that tech. or it will cost them money, they want to sell you energy lots of it :) LOL , but goverment contractors are allowed to have that tech :) LOL its all a conspiracy against the people, for their money and for control over the people, Remember STANLEY MEYER'S

[richardlyew]

nice video

[pemerick07]

Correct me if Im wrong but an electrochemical process can achieve a thermal efficiency greater than 100% when taking heat from the environment.

[Anothercoilgun]

All overunity devices are simply tapping into an unknown source of energy. People are just animals and animals do not know all that exist in the universe. People once though the earth was flat at that this flat earth was the center of the universe. Radio waves, X waves, Micro waves, all once believed to not exist but look at them know. I wonder how much shit we have no clue about.

People have no clue.

[delvis11]

There is a lot of things that we don't understand. i was pointing out some people that just flat out lie. take for instance Dennis Lee(dateline). Look at the effects of his lies. They give us all a bad name and a giant step back for this industry.

[bjk14510]

I love it, couldn't have said it better myself, 2 thumbs up

[noimw]

"intended solely for educational and entertainment uses."

"educational" You will learn why it does no good.

"entertainment" If you like to watch bubbles.

[delvis11]

you really have no clue to you?

[noimw]

I don't need a clue, I have facts.

Learning the Laws of Physics is Optional,

Obeying the Laws of Physics is NOT Optional.

[delvis11]

do you really want to go down that road? because i will if you like.

[noimw]

What road is that ?  That your system works and others don't.

Are you going to prove your system works ?

James Randi is offering $1,000,000.00 if it works.

Cost you $5,000. to pay for having a vehicle tested.

Are you sure your systems works ? Or are you just blowing

smoke like all the rest of the HHO Peddlers ?

Put up or Shut up.

[delvis11]

I will respond to the million dollar contest by referring you to EletrikRide video. talk about a scam. $5000. take a look at his vid.

[noimw]

Yes, 4 videos of excuses.  With comments disabled.

[ChrisPCrunchy]

You say 1L per minute in 20 seconds. Wouldnt it then be 333.33ml in 20 seconds. I think the way you are calculating things is a bit off.

[delvis11]

1 lpm in 20 secs is exactly what it is. i guess i dont understand what your asking. 1 lpm in 60 sec. would be 333.33 in 20 secs.

[ChrisPCrunchy]

1 litre per minute (lpm) is 1 litre per 60 seconds for 20 seconds = 333.33 ml . If it was producing 3 litres per minute that makes it 1 litre per 20 seconds.

I think what you meant to say is 1 litre per 20 seconds Not 1 litre per minute for 20 seconds. See what I am saying.

[delvis11]

yes you are right. i miss spoke.

[beginerhydro]

You have made my day! We that are trying to just do our work ,and study this are in fact faced with the bad rap of people only undermining all are credibility! Thank you

[RagingCaveman]

The problem is that in HHO production the electricity used should not have a direct relation to the energy within the Hydrogen being produced. The electrolyte systems create this dependency thus can never reach the efficiency of over unity. I am working on a system now that POSSIBLY will not expend any power at all but produce lots of H2 to be converted into far more power then that used to drive the system, which is lossless, resulting in 0 in 500% out.

[delvis11]

a lot of people have driven themselves mad trying to achieve perpetual motion. you cant make power from nothing... good luck on your project and thanks for the comment.

[RagingCaveman]

Thank you for this video! Finally someone else gets that a TON of misinformation and misleading information is out there and ruining the business.

[waterboost]

Thanks Delvis... When people ask me about production I give the lowest figure... recorded using a cold unit, no warm up time for maximum efficiency. This is because people test them to see if I'm lying and they usually measure the unit when it is cold... whne people measure it after an hour or so of warm up they are usually surprised ;)

On a regulated 12v lab power supply, at 20amps, I get a touch over 1 litre. On a warm unit it is only 12-15 amps for a litre.

Happy New Year and Thanks...

[waterboost]

so based on your equation 144watts per minute per litre is 100% (144/60=2.4)

Thats approx 12amps at 12volts for 1litre in 1 minute... is that right?

So a unit that produces 1 litre at 12v and 20amps is only approx 60% efficient

And the same production at 15amps would be 80% efficient...

I think you have made my year ;)

[delvis11]

i have a great excel spreadsheet that calculates MMW and % efficiency. it also takes into account the temperature of the water. if you would like a copy of it message me your e-mail.

[scythexand]

(cont) So the extra water vapor makes the HHO generator look like its producing more vapor, making these guys think the laws of physics can be broken.

[delvis11]

i agree.

[scythexand]

The problem is that most HHO generators boil the water as well. In addition to HHO, the generators produce regular water vapor (H2O). So basically the dicks are advertising electric water boilers.

[ChrisPCrunchy]

If the gas is bubbling through a bubbler for safety as most except for the most basic units do, the vapour would condense out of the gas leaving just H & O gas. I dont think most people are lieing, but I would be weiry of people who are trying to sell something making amazing claims.

[delvis11]

i think a lot of people are misinformed. they are not sure what they are doing, there equipment isn't working right, or they are just trying to make money. more is better right? so if unit "a" is making 1 lpm and unit "B" is making 2 lpm. which unit catches your eye? especially if your a unsuspected shopper. well guess what. the guy that makes unit "a" makes a really great product but now he can't sell it because it looks inferior to unit "b" while all along unit "b" is making false claims. EBAY

[scythexand]

Even so, when you collect a gas over water, you must factor in that some of it's volume is water vapor. Trust me, I only had to do that particular calculation in chemistry class 500 times.

[ChrisPCrunchy]

Yes but provided the bubbler is in a seperate container to the electrolyte and it hasnt been running very long and the ambient temperature in the area is low and there isnt a vaccum on the bubbler from the car intake and....... Come to think of it your right and the answer to the volume of water vapour will always be - How long is a piece of string!

[foxfire7893]

Great Video Thanks for this information. I will say though that Faraday's Law has been proven false along with one other law of physics. That being said, it is very difficult to do, so your information is very pertinate and usefull. Thanks,

Foxfire

[ammanninox]

1000.00 grams of water (1 liter) contains 888.89 grams of Oxygen and 111.11 grams of Hydrogen

One liter of Hydrogen weighs 0.09 grams

One liter of Oxygen weighs 1.47 grams

From 1000 grams or 1 liter of Water we obtain

111.11/ 0.09 = 1234.44 liters of Hydrogen

888.89/ 1.47 = 604.69 liters of Oxygen

to convert 1gram of Water into 1.234 liters of Hydrogen you need 4.94 Wh (or 4.94KWh for 1000 grams, or 1 liter of Water)

[ammanninox]

Thank you for sharing, good video I needed it.

But I have a question: We are producing two gasses at the same time (with different volumes and weights and at all possible temperatures and atmospheric pressures and with different surface areas of the plates and differing gasquet thicknesses) So can we really just use one formula and tell?

I think we should dicover how the standard of measuring is. Basically every cell is near overunity on your calculation and that is not real. Help

[ammanninox]

I just read the following it might be of interest:

Scientists and engineers accept the possibility that the current understanding of the laws of physics may be incomplete or incorrect; a perpetual motion device may not be impossible, but overwhelming evidence would be required to justify rewriting the laws of physics.

I hope we might offer some of that evidence!!

[delvis11]

i have a great spread sheet that calculates the temperature in with the equation. so basically it calculates everything back to 70 derrees. if you would like a copy message me.

[lutherp40]

Very good demonstration!

I am probably one of the violators (not as a seller as I don't sell anything, but as an experimenter and field tester)

It is tricky to take readings and not mislead yourself. Once you believe your own mistakes, it becomes too easy to publish your incorrect findings.

I would be interested in getting copies of these formulas if that is possible. Or if you could point me in a direction, that would be good too.

Thank you for the video. Nice work!

[HemilGremil]

It's not just hydrogen generators where you get outrageous claims. There are other items, such as magnets, where anything goes when making claims as to performance. Buyer beware. I've seen some local people buy some simple hydrogen units made from glass jars. When I ask how much gas it makes, no one ever has any information. If you ask about mileage figures you get, "I can tell it's getting better mileage." It takes more than that to impress me! Good work on the video.

[delvis11]

those glass jars are some of the biggest bs scams out there. BUT if it wasn't for the water4gas guys we might not even be talking about this right now.

[GARVENONE]

Well, it's true you don't get something for nothing - all this hydrogen is supplementary only - at best 15 to 20 % on your vehicle mileage - 304/316/310 SS all corrode no matter what - you cannot use acrylic as a main chamber under the hood of a vehicle because it will leak and distort in an hour of running - it has to be quality glass with a metal lid (nothing else)- the chamber will run at 160 F. Plus - not boiling but hot - the bubbler can be acrylic not attached to the chamber.

[delvis11]

im not sure if you meant to post in a different video. ss wont corrode if you don't over drive your cell. if your design is right you will never reach 160 F.

[rpierini]

E-bay sellers should make honest claims and then back it up with videos that actually show something. You're right, e-bay is for many just about making a buck at the expense of those who really want to develop HHO research. You think this is bad? The maker of the Hydro Super 2 makes similar claims with a washer-based generator! The only thing I've seen that MIGHT come close is the Shigeta Hasebe patent- if we could just understand what the hell he meant by that magnet arrangement.

[delvis11]

i havent seen that patent. yes the guy at hydro super 2 is a scammer. at one point in one of his videos he says his truck is running off one of his units alone.

[rpierini]

He's a scammer big-time. I ran a HS2 for a month on KOH and then sent it to an associate for testing. He took it apart and the washers were all eaten up. They're not SS 316 apparently. Also, with any of those 'staurated' type generators, you still need a seperate bubbler. Especially with KOH.

[sbotech]

Faraday's laws of electrolysis applies to a single cell, measured at 0°C, 1 atmosphere of pressure, and 1.23Vdc (STP conditions).A perfect cell will produce 0.627Lph/Amp.

To find out if someone has the wrong specifications you need to know the number of cells and the actual voltage across each of the cells. You do not have the information you need to make the proper calculations.

If the example electrolizer has at least 10 cells, then it is not breaking Faraday's laws of electrolysis.

[delvis11]

im not trying to make this an exact science. most of these guys claims are so out of line it's ridiculous. Thats my point. and yes my calculations and the formula is close enough.

[hhoprofessor]

Hi

100% with smartscarecrow and the EBM guys.

People will continue to make money on the backs of others with little or no knowledge on the subject. Mason jars and other with wild claims is fictional not fact. If I claimed the same I would be in the league of faraday and tesla. I would also be very very rich. To all who viewing, stick with the guys who share their knowledge of facts not fiction. And yes the "mason jar gang" and others with destroy research. "Great Post Well Done"

[mars1952]

Most people do not understand the scientific method. They don't know the difference between a Law and a Theory. I have to admit that I play fast and loose with the scientific method. Before I understood the consequences of heat and water vapor I believed that I could make get an MMW over 6.97 (6.97MMW = 2.4WattHour). Now I know that if you get brute force electrolysis results that are over 6.97MMW or less than 2.4WattHours you are measuring something other than HHO. Continues-

[mars1952]

Continued. One of my personal philosophies is that most people are honest and that they deserve to be treated as if they are honest until proven otherwise. Some of the eBay sellers are flat out liars but the rest are just ignorant. I am glad you posted this video because I didnt want to be the one to burst their bubble.

Mars

[d3adp001]

Well done, great vid. Some of these guys are just rediculous. They are lying pieces of trash.

But faraday's law is just a way to predict the gas output according to the energy input. But that all depends on where you put the energy. The man was a genius, and the calc works, if it is calced correctly for the correct things.

[cribcat1]

(oops the mouse slipped)and learn from others as well as contribute. ZFF and SSC as well as numerous others are working on solving this issue. I would suggest that you build your own, learn from established experimenters and use the knowledge that you gain to help others. Overall be safe. Thanks for the vid for the people who think you can run your car on a Mason jar of water.

[delvis11]

my area of research has never been trying to run a car on water. i have been focused on issues related to getting better gas mileage. take a look at my other 30 video's and you will understand what im doing. my hats off to ZFF and SSC.

[cribcat1]

The idea is to be independantly studying this area of research

[SmartScarecrow]

a lot of these folks I think mean well, they just do not understand what they are doing and do not know how to properly measure output ... hot gas, particularly hot gas mixed with steam, will always measure bigger than it really is ... so I am not sure I would call them liars, just misguided ...

by the way, Farady has been broken in the lab ... it is do-able ... but I have not yet seen any production devices with the proper characteristics to do it ...

[delvis11]

i hear these stories all the time. you no. this guy that knows joe blow who knows his brother jerry that has a overunity device. Scarecrow you don't fallow ebay the way i do. i have been a seller there for 4 years and i know how it works. it's just a bunch of Piranhas feeding on each other to make a buck.

i love you man. you are definitely the best. you have been fair to me and everyone else.