yes, a landing you can walk away from is a good landing. That is like saying any food you dont die from is good food. but how does it taste? how did the landing feel?
I've seen much worse don't be hard on yourself. And ty for having the guts to show your mistakes this helps Pilots and Wannabe Pilots learn from other peoples mistakes.
I don't see any bad landing... I've been on commercial planes and twice I have seen the plane almost land on the grass or swerve side to side as if the landing went crooked. Any landing you walk away from is a good one.
From the title and some of the comments, I kept looking for a bad landing. They were both great landings. Gotta line up on the center line better but pretty smooth and you're still alive. I've done the same thing myself. Great job!
I fail to see the TBM 850's big speed advantage, especially on short trips. Not to mention the cabin size and payload don't come close to the PC12's. The TBM is definitely sexier, but if you have the money to blow on sex appeal, you can probably buy a much bigger and faster plane than either of these.
Tastes are unquestionable, but I won't ever understand how such an aircraft can stay on the market, given that for much less you could buy a much better bird.
Enlighten us. Which plane for less money is better? The PC12 stays on the market because it is a cargo hauling, performance delivering, fuel efficient beast! We just sold our six year old, 2000 hour plus PC12 for what we paid for it new. What other plane can make that claim these days. And yes, we got a next-gen PC12 to replace it.
cranky and redroyle are right....the PC-12 has a great niche and is having trouble keeping up with demand! It may be slower than the TBM 850, but makes up for it in useful load, versatility, short field performance, etc. No other single turbo comes close in those areas. If you "step-up" to VLJs, you have issues with useful load, as well as dramatic reductions in airfields you can use and dramatic increases in operating costs.
It all depends on the insurance premium you can afford. There are some guys flying PC-12's who have 200 hours in a Bonanza. My broker has written many of those policies.
I want your broker! Still, I'd like to log at least double that in my Bonanza before even thinking of a PC-12...and even then with lots of transition training and even a safety pilot for the first several missions.
Oh, I figured it'd be very pricey. Being able to afford our hobby at the level of PC-12s, that isn't prohibitive. The bigger issue to me is always proficiency in a complex bird. I'm just now getting comfortable overall and quasi-proficient in a few areas in the Bonanza G36, and want several more years in the Bo before making the transition to the PC-12, just to be responsible. Gorgeous bird though, and ultimately I want to have both the Bo and the PC in my stable for different missions.
Don't wait too many years to do it either. At Citation training we had a couple older guys (60-70) going through the course. The instructors said they may never make it. The 20 year olds go out and party at night and know there stuff the next day. The 40 year old stay up all night studying. It does get harder with age. I teach a lot of G1000 transition and it can be a challenge for the older dudes.
I researched both. I prefer the PC-12 because of the FAR better useful load. Yes, the TBM is fast, but what good is that if you can't bring the wife, or friends, or luggage, or kids (when i have kids), or, you know, fuel? Too much has to be sacrificed as far as what you can haul on longer trips. I can fly the PC-12 with the woman cross country and bring back my parents and siblings from the East Coast - all with only one stop each way and no worries about luggage and fuel.
@gipper913 Not to mention that you can land a PC-12 damn near anywhere you can land a Cessna! There are numerous PC-12's at the airport where I instruct, and it's pretty incredible to see them make the first turnoff while Cirrus's and the like use the whole runway.
Shiny Side Up = Good Landing
hammerogod 1 month ago
My instructor just got a job flying the PC-12 for Sea Port Airlines.
mattdaddy123 7 months ago
It was a great video! Amazing plane.
Centerline deviation happens :P no biggie
GeneralGoopy 9 months ago
damn.. it looks like the whole plane is tilted haha :D
nikthepilot 10 months ago
yes, a landing you can walk away from is a good landing. That is like saying any food you dont die from is good food. but how does it taste? how did the landing feel?
bajesus666 1 year ago
You walked away and no damage to the a/c = good landing LOL
c53204 1 year ago
wow, raptor group taxing in on the left there is based at my work...awesomely random
JonPurdue7 1 year ago
I've seen much worse don't be hard on yourself. And ty for having the guts to show your mistakes this helps Pilots and Wannabe Pilots learn from other peoples mistakes.
jb42682 1 year ago
he was off but not that bumpy
youngestpilotinGa 1 year ago
I don't see any bad landing... I've been on commercial planes and twice I have seen the plane almost land on the grass or swerve side to side as if the landing went crooked. Any landing you walk away from is a good one.
xm377Moyocoyatzin 1 year ago
That wasn't a bad landing at all, you were just leaving room for the other PC-12 flying formation on your right to land...right??
1moredayinmo 1 year ago
that was not a bad landing! a little off but nothing too bad
HMHLongboarderz 1 year ago
Little off to the Left but not too bad... I wish I ws in your shoes flying such a sweet aircraft!
derekeves1 1 year ago
what was wrog with the landing. sweet one imho
ypaul123 1 year ago
From the title and some of the comments, I kept looking for a bad landing. They were both great landings. Gotta line up on the center line better but pretty smooth and you're still alive. I've done the same thing myself. Great job!
AirstripBum 1 year ago
i get a hardon every time i see the pilatus wow sad it only got one engine
786gold786 2 years ago
The centerline is designed to separate the left half of the runway from the right. All the pilot has to do is choose which side on which to land. LOL
REJUNGLE 2 years ago 3
Great video on the Pilatus pc -12.
At one of the landings the pilot just thought he was in the Uk on the left of the runway !!!
But it happens sometimes.
regards,
Hans P. Plesman
plesmanhpp 2 years ago
whats the usual proceedures for patterns? do you cut back the trq to 37 then 20 to maintin 110 kts in the patterns with flap 15?
windogmassey1 2 years ago
That camera angle makes me lean a little! Haha
SGadd87 2 years ago 10
lol nice comment m8
bassdudeWW 2 years ago
Nice landing. You might be alittle bit off from the center line but it seemed like a very smooth landing.
Flightlevel23 3 years ago
The last landing was nice but the one before that was not lined up at all. He was favoring the left side all the way through the roll out.
RobertGary1 3 years ago
looks like a good landing to me... Bummer the author is so critical... Sweet plane tho!
Shanejayburd 3 years ago
what airport is it?
JAGIFFORD 3 years ago
My first flight instructor told me any landing you walk away from is a good landing.
satexadmin 3 years ago 2
landing wasnt that bad, a bit far off the centreline, but it looked smooth.
hjf3022 3 years ago
The only thing that was bad was the camera angle. Very nice airplane. I hope to transition into a PC12.
jimmcc51 3 years ago
I did not see a bad landing. Beside what other airplane out there can you take your motorcycle with in?
mwlaursen 3 years ago
I'd buy a tbm 850 before even considering this aircraft. don't get me wrong this is a very capable piece of kit,, but i prefer the extra speed.
Pootangpie69 3 years ago
On a 1000 nm trip:
TBM ETE 03:10, FB: 198 gal
PC12 ETE 04:00, FB: 220 gal
On a 300 nm trip:
TBM ETE 00:57, FB: 59 gal
PC12 ETE 01:12, FB: 66 gal
I fail to see the TBM 850's big speed advantage, especially on short trips. Not to mention the cabin size and payload don't come close to the PC12's. The TBM is definitely sexier, but if you have the money to blow on sex appeal, you can probably buy a much bigger and faster plane than either of these.
crankyspittlebottom 3 years ago
Tastes are unquestionable, but I won't ever understand how such an aircraft can stay on the market, given that for much less you could buy a much better bird.
P.s. The landing was not so bad.
stefanorso 3 years ago
Maybe you ought' to read about the aircraft before you post comments about it.
Thank you.
AirDude1213 3 years ago
Enlighten us. Which plane for less money is better? The PC12 stays on the market because it is a cargo hauling, performance delivering, fuel efficient beast! We just sold our six year old, 2000 hour plus PC12 for what we paid for it new. What other plane can make that claim these days. And yes, we got a next-gen PC12 to replace it.
crankyspittlebottom 3 years ago
give me an example of a better bird... piper meridian or what? , ty
redroyle 3 years ago
cranky and redroyle are right....the PC-12 has a great niche and is having trouble keeping up with demand! It may be slower than the TBM 850, but makes up for it in useful load, versatility, short field performance, etc. No other single turbo comes close in those areas. If you "step-up" to VLJs, you have issues with useful load, as well as dramatic reductions in airfields you can use and dramatic increases in operating costs.
gipper913 3 years ago
the only thing wrong that I see here is the camera was crooked.
bg11215 3 years ago
The PC-12 is one sexy bitch of an airplane!
digrist1 3 years ago 3
They are a beauty :)
mjok2004 3 years ago
It is absolutely! Maybe you know somebody who would be interested in another round the world trip with this bitch? Let me know!
tomsolomedia 2 years ago
how many flight hours did you have before they let you fly that thing?
swidd2 4 years ago
well it looked like I hadn't flown ever but I've got plenty of time.
pittspilot28 4 years ago
I hate to be rude, but yeah., On upwind the nose was wiggling all over the place...
I was like that when I flew after 6 months off, but nobody would let me touch a PT6A until I had some recency of experience.
swidd2 4 years ago
so they let you fly something turbine powered now?
LongJohnPrickett 3 years ago
so they let you fly something turbine powered now?
LongJohnPrickett 3 years ago
@pittspilot28 do you only have a PPL?
jebbadiah 7 months ago
It all depends on the insurance premium you can afford. There are some guys flying PC-12's who have 200 hours in a Bonanza. My broker has written many of those policies.
RobertGary1 3 years ago
Question: How hard would it be to transition into a PC-12 from a Cessna 182?
jimmcc51 3 years ago
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A cup of shut the fuck up for you sir
panictactics 3 years ago
Nice language!
jimmcc51 3 years ago
it depends
FlyinFreek 3 years ago
I want your broker! Still, I'd like to log at least double that in my Bonanza before even thinking of a PC-12...and even then with lots of transition training and even a safety pilot for the first several missions.
gipper913 3 years ago
These guys are paying almost $20,000 per year in insurance. Being able to get insurance doesn't mean its not expensive.
RobertGary1 3 years ago
Oh, I figured it'd be very pricey. Being able to afford our hobby at the level of PC-12s, that isn't prohibitive. The bigger issue to me is always proficiency in a complex bird. I'm just now getting comfortable overall and quasi-proficient in a few areas in the Bonanza G36, and want several more years in the Bo before making the transition to the PC-12, just to be responsible. Gorgeous bird though, and ultimately I want to have both the Bo and the PC in my stable for different missions.
gipper913 3 years ago
Don't wait too many years to do it either. At Citation training we had a couple older guys (60-70) going through the course. The instructors said they may never make it. The 20 year olds go out and party at night and know there stuff the next day. The 40 year old stay up all night studying. It does get harder with age. I teach a lot of G1000 transition and it can be a challenge for the older dudes.
RobertGary1 3 years ago
Good advice. I am pretty good on the G1000 in my G36, but I have a ways to go to be completely confident. Also, I am 33. :-) Safe flying, brother.
gipper913 3 years ago
Man if you are considering the pc12 look at the socata tbm850 both awesome planes tho
lovUSAhj 2 years ago
I researched both. I prefer the PC-12 because of the FAR better useful load. Yes, the TBM is fast, but what good is that if you can't bring the wife, or friends, or luggage, or kids (when i have kids), or, you know, fuel? Too much has to be sacrificed as far as what you can haul on longer trips. I can fly the PC-12 with the woman cross country and bring back my parents and siblings from the East Coast - all with only one stop each way and no worries about luggage and fuel.
gipper913 2 years ago 9
@gipper913 I have a simple solution for that problem of yours>>>>> LEAVE THE WIFE AND KIDS HOME HAHAHAHA
cessnaclub 1 year ago
@gipper913 Not to mention that you can land a PC-12 damn near anywhere you can land a Cessna! There are numerous PC-12's at the airport where I instruct, and it's pretty incredible to see them make the first turnoff while Cirrus's and the like use the whole runway.
jyokid 1 year ago
@swidd2 your landing wasn't terrible. but certainly not good. are you the owner?
rmc7098 7 months ago