California Roads And The Illegal Alien Drivers With Whom We Share Them ( License / Immigration )

[PacificCircle1]

Never have I had a crime nor an attempted crime commited against by a Latino,

only by Blacks and sometimes Whites!

[FaithandReasons]

mrkarepan's comment is so illogical and insane I don't even know where to begin w/refuting it. *sighs*

[mrkarepan]

i think the asshole who is talking is a racist , because how many times have a white individuals have been involve in dwis and no one says hey there is the legal citizen asshole taking up space and driving like a maniac

[calman1951]

I think this goes against the very core of what the USA is all about..That laws should apply equally to all and that it is Our right s to Life,Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

[ruinsane63]

drunk drivng is drunk driving no matter who does it .but when it comes to dui laws its bullshit ..some people are sentenced difrently than others and MADD is hypocrasy.

[krew666666]

mexicans are by far the worst drivers on the face of the earth....LEARN HOW TO DRIVE,!!!Try using that gadget by your right foot, it called a gas pedal. You dont have to idle everywhere you go!

[SEFARAD2K4]

An illegal alien is not an immigrant, secondly, the US is not getting normal hard working Mexicans. It's getting the bottom of the barrel. People who knowingly violate international law by crossing borders without proper documents, contract human traffickers, committing identity fraud, and seeking illegal employment, are criminals. Mexico has much harsher drinking and driving laws than the US.

[beanerzdeusa]

it's really not a RACE issue, it is HOW YOU ACT & assimilate into "society".

you do the right thing!

[325hpls1]

Well Derail, I must say that with all the work you've done has any of this paid off? if so,I want to know how? I'm totally on your side ") just curious is all.

[jeangrey65]

You can tell an illegal by how slow they drive lol

[HunterMann]

Hey Derailed, I think you need to watch the film A Day Without A Mexican, maybe watch it 3 times so that you can get a reality check. If we deported all "illegals" next Monday, by Wednesday the country would collapse. We need the laborers, and the gringos just don't work as hard. I'll hire Mexicans. I will NOT hire any of the white trash, crack head gringo losers you think are having work "stolen" from them.

[RYANTUCKER4]

Why do you need to bring up "Gringos?" Hasn't it occurred to you that American doesn't mean white? Geez.

[HunterMann]

@RYANTUCKER4 Didn''t you hear about it yet? The word "gringo" is the new "n-word". Who was one of the first gringos? Christopher Columbus. He was a land thief and treated the natives terribly. Look up: Columbus Day Protest.

[domesticpuke]

@HunterMann A day w/o illegals would mean 13 people not killed by drunk illegals driving, 12 people not murdered by illegals and 8 children not molested by illegals (that's the ones we know about since we all know that doesn't always get turned in). My son was hit by an illegal and the only good thing about it is that nobody will care if I ever get ahold of him and he isnt seen again. So please, I'll pay more for my lettuce and find a means to survive without illegals.

[HunterMann]

@domesticpuke You sound like one of those right-wing morons who thinks that Jesus was white and spoke English. There will never be world peace unless people like you open your minds.

[domesticpuke]

@HunterMann You sound like someone who hasn't had a child hit by an illegal that decided to take off and leave the scene. I have so shove it up your ass and get a brain. I know for a fact that you would be taking on a very different view if it was your child left in the road bleeding. I'm also a halfbreed who's children are half mexican. I'm not a bible thumping redneck. I'm a mother who is trying to protect her children you idiot so go stuff your liberal kumbaya judgemental attitude prick.

[HunterMann]

@domesticpuke I lived in two big Mexican tourist cities. Drunk gringos(legal visas) hit people & drove away. They didn't have Mexico driver's licenses. they drove away/hit&run. Someone's going to hit&run, regardless of their legal status. Illegal immigrants in America 200 years ago, running some native off a cliff with their horse, were gringos, does that make them less bad than the illegals of today? Whether they are white or chicano, they do hit & run.

[filthyswit]

@HunterMann Mexicans may do the jobs Whites don't want to do, but Whites do the job Mexicans CAN'T do. Sounds fair to me.

[NeedAJobUSA]

Each day call as many businesses (nail salons, hotels, restaurants, landscaping - ALL! Say -->IMMIGRATION RAID. Will CLEAR out if illegals there & will disrupt the businesses that hire them. Everyday calls, from many people - too scared w/the raids to ignore the calls. They break the law w/fraud, crossing the border, failing to pay taxes - we can make a few "prank calls". START NOW before the RAIDS slow down. AND keep it up.. try to do in the languange of majority of workers!

[Mertdawg420]

A little fact about how many green cards are issued in the USA to what countries.... I looked up on the INS site (When it used to be INS).

Mexico gets 30,000 green cards awarded to them every year.

Turkey gets 1,750.

UK gets 1,500.

Canada gets 2,000.

Romania gets 612.

So green cards are given to the Mexican people then any other country? Do they care? No they don't. When I get into politics, I'll go undercover and change these numbers. I think Mexico should get 1,500.

[AsRokFails9]

@Mertdawg420

Maybe because Mexico is closer then Turkey, Romania and UK, thus allowing more people to apply for greencards.

[Mertdawg420]

Even though Mexico gets the most green cards, they dont appreciate it and respond by 100,000's coming over illegally. I can't name one illegal alien that is Turkish. Also, Turkish people appreciate being here a lot more too because they are respectful as a culture and understands that it's a privilage to be able to work in the USA. That's not a good enough reason. Give Turkey 30,0000 green cards and every single one of them will be filled.

[danielcortega]

No illegal Turks? I guess you havent run into the Turkish pedicab drivers in San Diego that have overstayed their visas or who have fraudently applied for student visas.

[Mertdawg420]

So let's discuss how different this is? The US government knows they are there, they orginally SCREENED them and gave them a Visa, and they overstayed their STUDENT visa. Lets compare these 3 turks to millions of illegal aliens coming from Mexico that the US Government has NO IDEA about, no screening process, nothing. They can't even tell us how many there is, it's that bad.

Man getting desperate in trying to find something, huh? Should I point to the illegal alien prison rate?

[danielcortega]

The Pew Hispanic group estimates 12 million or so undocumented immigrants. I believe the figure is 8m of them of Mexican origen. Is that a good thing? Of course not. However, the govt hasnt enforced its own laws. Business openly disregard these laws and employ millions of them with a great percentage of them paying taxes.

[Mertdawg420]

It's up to the people to report it.

[Mertdawg420]

Don't lie! 11.5 million are mexican and the other .5 milllion are other countries of hispanic orgin (El Salvador). etc.

I know how you guys are.I've had 2 ex girlfriends that were El Salvadorian. I know all the tricks you guys pull.

[danielcortega]

Yeah, where did you get those numbers? I'm just relaying you numbers from the Pew Hispanic group which is a trusted think tank.

[Mertdawg420]

Another thing is that the authorities arrested them and deported them back to Turkey! Only if we could do that to the millions of Illegal aliens. If they were hispanic students that overystayed their visas, they wouldn't be deported because "it would violate their civil rights" but I guess Turkish people don't have any civil rights huh? We can be deported like that but Mexicans can't? Got anything to say about that smart ass?

[danielcortega]

Anyone in this country that is living illegally can be deported. No one said Mexicans cant be deported. The vast majority keep a low profile and work. Turks w visa, have more rights and can apply for work permits and receive more benefits than an undocumented worker. What's your thing about Turks and Mexicans? They both, if living here illegally, have limited rights

[Mertdawg420]

In california, Police officers can't arrest illegal aliens and deport them unless it is the third time they are arrested. Thank you ACLU, La Raza, and democrats for limited our police's ability!

[danielcortega]

Police officers arent federal agents

[Mertdawg420]

My thing is that 99% of Turkish people are here legally and 80% of Mexicans are here illegally. Of course Turks with Visa's has more rights.. They are here LEGALLY. Why should someone have the same rights as a legal person when they are illegal?

[danielcortega]

Are you speaking of ethnic Turks and ethnic Mexicans? if you are, I do not know the Turkish number but according to the US Census, there are about 30million people of Mexican heritage in the US. The Pew Hispanic number for illegal Mexicans is 8 million, which is around a quarter of the Mexican people living amongst us. It is a big number but 80% of "Mexicans" is a gross exaggeration.

[danielcortega]

It's not a quota system. We did away with that. The reasons that many Mexicans are awarded green cards is because they are the vast majority who apply.

[Mertdawg420]

HA! just as I thought. The dude that subscribes to Al jazeera! HAHA you want open borders so you can sneak terrorists more easily into the USA with potentialy dangerous stuff! LOL now I can rest because I know everything coming outta your mouth isn't even worth listening to.

[Mertdawg420]

BS. Get out of here with your Al Jeezera destroy America attitude!

[danielcortega]

ok......so thats the end of the your "debate." hmmm

[Mertdawg420]

Dude... you side with terriosts and the ACLU that's destroying the country. How can you sleep at night. Go hang out with Al Queda.

[Mertdawg420]

That's just bullshit. Turkish people apply just as much as mexicans if not more. I think you're referring to the Green Card Lottery. I'm not talking about. We still have the quota system. Don't fool yourself!

[danielcortega]

No. Look up the stats. Mexicans lead the way in applying for residency and citizenship.

[b0219u]

This is not your country Chito, it belongs to people who want to be Americans. People who wave American flags, not Mexican flags. People who learn our language, our laws, and follow the law trying to make a better life for themselves. I came here LEGALLY, I waited for years, so I would not be some border jumping scum like many here do. I have enough respect and courtesy 2 appreciate this country and it's laws. If you come here, you show allegiance to THIS country, not Mexico which failed u.

[Mertdawg420]

I came here legally from Turkey and all this stuff for illegal aliens is slap in the faces of all legal immigrants.

[Alex99chihuas]

Correction.. it is "legal aliens"

[Mertdawg420]

Correction it's "legal RESIDENT alien" soon about to be American Citizen!

[DEDA96]

IT SURE IS YOUR RIGHT

[chitot98]

that is none of you busines estupi , u come to my door asshole , so you mean to say that no citezen has ever hurt or killed someone your the idiot, let me know if you want to come visit me were i work

[Mertdawg420]

A citizen can kill someone but they have the right to be here. When an illegal alien kills someone, that should of been prevented because they shouldn't of been here in the first place. Also, don't hide the fact that there are a lot of illegal aliens involved in the drug lords to smuggle drugs and be involved in the kidnappings of Americans on the American side along with drug cartel killings. To say a citizen can do it so an illegal can is just silly.

[chitot98]

let them get a license and they will get insurance , if the driver would be able to get a license everything would be ok

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

That's ridiculous. Why are you under the impression that people (llegal aliens) whose entire existence is built upon ignoring laws and violating regulations, will follow these laws. Meaning, immigration laws and employments statutes they won't follow, but the Vehicle Code, if we just change that they'll all be model citizens on the road. Get real.

[chitot98]

its not ridiculos because if they get pulled over and get a ticket for no license and no insurance its going to cost them money ,and if they ignore the ticket and they get caught again they will go to jail , they come here to make money not to spend it on tickets and it would be a good way to know who these people are it would be easier to find them if they do something wrong, i am real you need to open your eyes and stop hating brown people

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

I have an easier one than that. When they're found engaging in a traffic violation and can't produce a license, they should have their residency status checked. When found to be illegals, they can be turned over to immigration authorities. End of problem. In your scenario, people get rewarded with a govt. ID for successfully violating federal laws. What sense does that make, Mr. Needs-To-Fortify-His-Argument-­With-Gratuitous-Race-Baiting?

[chitot98]

i dont think its a reward, did you not ready the whole comment ? i said it would be easier to track down people and you know who they are instead of having them give false names , you very well know it is a race issue i have seen other videos of your were you have no idea what there status is and you asume there are illegal just because they are hispanic like in your lakers video, i have no problem with criminals that are illegal being deported but not the hard working good people

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

A. It is a reward. Govt. ID and legal permission is of value to people. If drivers licenses weren't valuable to illegals, obtaining them wouldn't be the entire focus of Gil Cedillo's political career; B. It is a "race issue" to people who can't substantively defend the proposition that we should allow illegal to remain in the country. They talk about race b/c on the merits of the issue, they lose; C. Illegal aliens are criminals. There's no point trying to subdivide them into categories.

[chitot98]

illegals are only breaking 1 law no big deal i bet you have brokrn the law before so what is the diference

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

Firstly, illegals hardly break one law. In order to perpetuate undocumented existence in the U.S., it is necessary to engage in a whole slew of unlawful conduct: A) Stolen Soc. Sec. # or fake Soc. Sec. card; B) Unlicensed driving; C) Uninsured Driving; D) Tax Fraud; E) Working in the U.S. w/o residency. Only breaking "1 law"? What a joke. As to me, I have a right to be here. That's what separates me from an illegal. Let them break laws in their own countries, not mine.

[chitot98]

well this is our country not just yours . i think the majority of americans feel like me because if most americans would feel like you we would not have this situation and the govt would have done something about it already so just remember this OUR COUNTRY not just yours. what do you mean by tax fraud ? most illegals pay taxes because they know if there is a amnisty it will show they are good people that want to be here

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

No, the country does not belong to illegal aliens. If it did, they wouldn't have to violate so many laws to attempt to stay here. And your opinion about most people feeling like you is simply a fantasy. Maybe most people you know and socialize with, but not most Americans. Take a look at the polls. A large maj. of citizen voters, including Democrats, want current immigr. laws enforced and think illegals should be denied drivers licenses. It's not even close.

[chitot98]

i didnt mean it belongs to illegals , you make it seem like your more american than i am . i have the same rights as you do , and i think that if the majority of people would think like you we would not have illegals here , people that think like i do are the majority, so dont make it seem like you speak for americans because you do not speak for me

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

I don't speak for Americans. I speak for me. But facts are facts. Poll after poll shows that citizen voters oppose amnesty and support immigration law enforcement. Your suggestion that they don't is simply inaccurate. In Panorama City, South Gate or Maywood? Yeah, you'll find a lot of folks who want an amnesty. Dude, that's not most of the country. It never ceases to amaze me what insulated lives people in immigrant Latino families have here in So Cal.

[chitot98]

well you have your way of thinking and i have mine but facts are facts the majority of these people are good hard working people , maybe you should thank them everytime you eat fruit or enjoy your nicely mowed lawn because if it were not for them your fruit would probably cost 4 times what it does now

[Mertdawg420]

The people dont want them here. It's the liberal media and "La Raza" that's keeping them there. Your crazy democratic buddies want more of you illegals here so that they can get more votes. The republican conservative moment will come back. this year. You just watch.

[Mertdawg420]

Yea I forgot that Pablo living in the bushes do odd jobs is filing his W-2 forms. Give me a break. What if pablo got real work and used my SS # to work? I would get a letter from Student Financial Aid saying I made too much money and I need to pay back the money they gave me and unemployment stopping my checks because they see i'm working? Your Illegal Alien just cost me my education and my limited income. Ever think of that?

[Mertdawg420]

Yes, I've ped crossed before in traffic. I've been caught speeding on the highway. I never violated a "FEDERAL LAW" which is WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE BREAKING. I've never claimed false identies and social security numbers to goverment officials or anyone in the public. I've never commited FRAUD which a large majority of these people are doing. Breaking one law? I don't think so... Talk about breaking several FEDERAL laws.

[Mertdawg420]

Hey! How about we KNOW who's in our country to begin with? Why should they get licenses to be able to track them? They shouldn't be here in the first place. You know, I think I'm going to bring 40,000 of the poorest people in Turkey and fly them to Tijuana and then sneak them over the border... and in your "thinking", this would be all right with you. How warped is your logic and thinking?

[Mertdawg420]

Explain California's prision system with a large percentage of them being illegal aliens. I agree with the govnoror and lets hand them to the feds and deport them and save CA over 100 million a year.

[Mertdawg420]

I got a better idea. Let's give them the ID and when we pull them over, automatic deportation. I'm sure we can fit that in the amnesty bill somewhere where it's not noticable and pass it on a sat night at midnight.

[Mertdawg420]

I agree with Derail... And whenever someone brings up the race card in a debate, it means that they know their other points aren't strong or don't make sense.

You can't blame racism on me because I'm a Turkish Immigrant. It's funny how in Mexico, any illegal aliens that come into their country from El Salvador, Ecudor, or any central american countries, they are raped, torchered, killed, and thrown in jail. It's a federal crime in Mexico to illegal enter the country. Talk about hipocracy.

[jimmyjames133]

illegal immigrants should be arrested in court everytime one shows up in court

[AsRokFails9]

we don't give a fuck about your world

with all your global profits and all you're to oppose

[jimmyjames133]

GOOD then stay the fuck OUT OF IT

[AsRokFails9]

Well I Got Bad News For You, IM A FUCKING CITIZEN, So FUCK YOU

[jimmyjames133]

yes that is bad news trash like you in my country

[AsRokFails9]

Yes Its A Shame We Have Intolerant People Like You In This(not your) Country

[jimmyjames133]

ONE RACE MADE THIS PLACE MINE

[AsRokFails9]

Nope Immigrants Made This Place, Dont Forget Who Immigrated From Europe To The Americas

[jimmyjames133]

nope that was colonial expansion and global exploration my people have NEVER been mere immigrants

[AsRokFails9]

Immigrant= One who immigrates; one who comes to a country for the purpose of permanent residence.

Sounds A Lot Like The Colonials Don't It, And Im Almost Sure You're Not Purebred "American" Considering There Was A Shitload Of Immigrants From Europe Throughout The History Of The Nation, So In Your Blood There Is Immigrant Blood, So You're Not "One" Race

[jimmyjames133]

it's migrate you idiot and you don't know anything about me

[AsRokFails9]

Dont have too, Its just implied when you say one race, and its not migrate,

[Mertdawg420]

Wow, it's amazing that a Turkish immigrant can be more patriotic then an actual citizen... Let me guess Asrokfails9, you don't own a passport and you haven't step foot outside of this country. If you did, you would know how great this country is.

[AsRokFails9]

@Mertdawg420

apparently, you're a dumbass, who's blinded by the hypocrisy of this "great nation"

Btw read the other posts before you post bullshit.

[Mertdawg420]

And apparently, you're an undereducated person that is blinded by the liberal cloud. In your usage of the English language, it is only too apparent. You think anyone is going to take you seriously while speaking that way in a debate. Of course, the liberal method is to personally attack a person. It is not surprising that you would be the one to do this. I've done nothing to attack you personally but you choose to unveil your true ignorance and hatred that you have inside of you.

[Mertdawg420]

Go back to school and take a few debate courses. You'll see how your ways or expressing yourself is limited and you actual do your own points damage by talking like that. The great thing about it is that I'm going to school for Political Science with a pre law emphasis and then Law School after that. After that, I will be a federal prosecutor and I will make it my mission to prosecute illegal immigration to the full extent of the law. What I think matters, not you. You'll never be at that level.

[AsRokFails9]

@Mertdawg420

No, I'll be at a higher level, one that doesnt have to deal with the ways of self-defeat.

[Mertdawg420]

Whatever that means! At least I'll do my part by prosecuting illegal aliens one by one.

[swimingwithsharks]

Deport the illegals and make them pay for all the damage they've done.

[ibilldavis]

very well done. excellent

[6oatFaulkers]

Garbage, more Cracker hate KKK rhetoric...

[FanFan2020]

Nothing in this video is racist you fucking idiot, he talks about ILLEGAL ALIENS, he never mentions race or anything racist, shows how idiotic and dumb you are. Youre the racist one. calling white people kkk because they dont belive in letting some unlawful scum walk over them is getting old, tired, and you need to find some new material or GTFO.

[skyforme]

sorry, but the race card isn't working on us whiteys anymore - go find a different angle, something that might be heard. Shame on you.

[6oatFaulkers]

Whocares about you whities youll be non-existent soon enough, idiot!..... hahaha

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

Still flaming away with the hate rhetoric, I see. I guess the novelty hasn't worn off yet. Hey, that "6" in your name is a quality substitute for a "G." What happened? You got your Youtube account suspended or revoked, didn't you? Maybe you ought to tamp down the usual name-calling racist diatribes or perhaps, in the not too distant future, you may be commenting on my videos under the handle "7oatFaulkers."

[Mertdawg420]

Maybe so but other legal immigrants will take their perspective.... just like me!

[ratbstard718]

Here in NYC the MSM will only state the immigration status of a criminal if it is a multiple murder or gang rape. 'Recent immigrant' is usually stated if status is mentioned at all.

[daddyg321]

The idea of insureing these people is a joke insurance cos. wont pay if the car is being used for illegal purposes - transporting illegals is illegal - so the policy wont pay and we are back where we started.

[danielcortega]

However the Judge never asked if they were there illegally? You can't assume. fyi.....i've heard of people getting stopped by cops for violations and were sympathetic cops didnt take away vehicles because they were company vehicles. And what about businesses that offer auto insurance to the unlicensed? How does all of that work? Thankfully, Ive only been hit once by some guy who bought me a new bumper instead of going through insurance.

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

When you say a person "can't assume" in that situation, you are suggesting that I divest myself of normal powers of observation and reason. Be real.

[danielcortega]

Why don't they check their immigration background?? Oh, because its not an immigration matter. Traffic court is a circus but explain why the San Berdoo CO Sherrifs don't ask for immigration status to unlicensed drivers considering that 90% of these ppl are illegal

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

Kiddy porn isn't a narcotics issue, either. However, if the cops believe my house is a coke den and execute a warrant on it, I can guar. you that if they find pics of naked 5 yr. olds in suggestive poses, I'll be pros. on child porn. charges. The reas. they ignore prob. cause issues when they stop illegals for moving violations is b/c most large cities in CA practice sanct. city policies. It has nothing to do w/ immigr. being unrelated. It has everything to do w/ immigr. going unenforced.

[danielcortega]

Well therein lies the problem. No enforcement, by local, county, state and federal govts. Why isn't the govt doing their job? This lax of enforcemnt is almost inviting for would-be illegal immigrants. I do believe in an amnestry prgram a la the McCain proposal, but the feds should get serious about enforcement bc this problem will not end.

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

Agreed. It's not going to end until something is done. I'm curious, however. What evidence have you seen of amnesties ever ending illegal immigration? What is it about rewarding law violators that puts a stop to the economically desperate from making their way here via unlawful means?

[danielcortega]

Amnesties ending illegal immigration? Idk. Does any detterence end it? I know that many make it very tough that illegal immigrants have no choice but to work informally. Here in the States, many work in decent jobs, pay taxes w/ their tax id number, get insured by auto insurance companies and are allowed to get a driver's license in other states. There is a very Mexican word that describes their ability to work this choppy sysytem; maña. It's slang for ability or skill to workaround formalties

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

Well, there's the answer. Since an amnesty won't end the illegal immigration problem, there's no reason to grant it. The goal of immigration laws is not to make it easier for the folks who knowingly violate them. The goal is to protect and benefit our country.

[danielcortega]

Well, immigration laws aren't stringent enough. The country has allowed for families to settle here and live well w/o proper documents. What do you think of a national id? An amnesty might help in bringing 12 mil ppl or so into civic life.

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

No, with chain migration, an amnesty would result in the retention/importation of upwards of 40 million folks within the next two decades. All of whom, I might add, will be looking forward to collecting medical coverage and Soc. Sec. checks during their golden years.

[danielcortega]

Whoah! That's alot of people. That's almost half of Mexico. You really believe that? I share your concerns on many issues. I believe our only difference is that you want to derail any kind of pathway toward citizenship and I whole-heartedly believe that that may assuage the underground economy thriving in California and normalizing their status could be a boon to our wonderful country.

[linwooddeaton]

YOu are wrong.

what we have seen is a bunch of racist hispanics that believe in Aztlan and are demanding we give the USA back.

NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

Yes, I do. And not everyone in that number would be Mexican. The illustrative example, on a smaller scale (b/c the amnesty was handed out to "only" 3 million), was put into play in 1986 when IRCA was passed. And you're right, we differ. I not only oppose a "pathway to citizenship" for illegals. I want them all permanently barred from the U.S. If we don't make public examples out of them, we will always have a major ill. alien problem that numbers in the millions, w/ the accompanying costs.

[danielcortega]

Wow. Good luck w/ that. I seriously doubt that what you wish would actually happen. Sounds like a great argument but one that is harsh and extreme and one that few politicians would push for.

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

You're right. Not likely to happen.  It makes too much sense so it'll never be popular among politicians and bureaucrats.

[danielcortega]

oh, youre a cynic

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

I'm a realist. What's good for the general citizenry often conflicts with the best interests of elected officials and people reliant upon govt. paychecks. How do you think our state got into this budget mess?

[danielcortega]

Realist? Deporting all illegal immigrants, tho ideal to you is not gonna happen. If the people don't like what the govt does, recalls exist and you could always vote them out of power. Wasteful spending, Unwillingness to cut during bad times. Too many state wrkrs Schwarzeneggar might as well be a Democrat. As for Poizner, Whitman? I somehow see Gavin Newsom becoming govnr. Villaraigosa if he runs may only do well in LA area during primaries. Do you see a GOP state legisltre any time soon?

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

Yes, realist. The status quo, including the presence of govt. service needy illegal aliens, is becoming financially unsustainable. Schwarzenegger, Newsom, Jerry Brown or whomever else gets tossed into the mix is going to have to operate w/in the constraints of our burgeoning insolvency. Lack of money doesn't recognize political party affiliation.

[AsRokFails9]

we don't give a fuck about your world

with all your global profits and all you're to oppose

we don't give a fuck about your world because its a failed realization due to you money loving, power grubbing ideals.

[linwooddeaton]

Oh,mana.....we call it breaking the laws.

Illegals cannot get a legal work permit,nor can they use a ITIN for employment purpose. Look it up.

Everything you described is why the USA government is in trouble with it's CITIZENS.

We PAY them,not illegals.

THEY either represent the citizens or get out of government.

[danielcortega]

But they do use tax id numbers and the government is greatful to accept their money.

[Mertdawg420]

Hey Daniel! Pablo living in the bushes fills out a W-2 form? Where are you getting this information?

[danielcortega]

No, not living in the bushes. Pablo, with the help of many, registers for a tax id number, given to foreigners earning money here and pays his taxes, believing that one day this paper trail wll help him when some sort of immigration reform happens. Yes, he fills out W-2 forms.

[Mertdawg420]

Oh I forgot, all the illegal aliens in San Diego in Rancho Penasquitoes under the bridge (about 100) are all filling out W-2 forms? You actually think I believe that? Whatever you gotta to do to believe your lies! I have yet to see one illegal alien that rides around his bike doing odd jobs pay TAXES and furnishes his "tax id" to the people he's working for... not to mention unlicensed contractor's work.

[Mertdawg420]

You still didn't tell me where you're getting this information! Are you getting it from the imaginary stats in your head? Unless you can document and prove it through appropriate sources, you're just full of shit.

[danielcortega]

It's well known. You can read about it on many articles from trusted journals that could provide you with more sources and I personally know that it does. I work in a heavily immigrant work environment where people pay their taxes with the TIN number. Call any small private firm that helps people prepare taxes and ask if they can help you with just a TIN number.

[Mertdawg420]

Here's where you twist the truth Daniel. "With the help of many" (the w-7 form is reserved for RESIDENT ALIENS and NON RESIDENT ALIENS (meaning they have a VISA issued by the US Embassy) "Given to foreigners" (with a valid VISA).

ON the W-7 FORM it also STATES "It does not entitle you to social security benefits and does not change your immigration status or your right to work in the United States."

These firms you speak of! Are they affiliated with ACORN? Tell me the Firms!

[danielcortega]

acorn? No, they're just trying to make money and you're right, they pay taxes but since they get no social security benefits, the IRS collects their money but most, if not all, get no tax return. These undocumented immigrants are just paying taxes so if that in the case some immigration reform does happen, they have a paper trail of them paying into the system. Not all do this, but some who have spent many years in the US do.

[Mertdawg420]

Aye Aye Comrad! Playing so in tune with communist proganda (again warped with your liberal style) and playing unfair tactics. *Ahem* May I repeat what a W-7 form is? I would love to see a number of these so called "paper trail" illegal aliens.. screw this... Illegal Mexicans... that the federal government has on it. I'm calling you out. If it is true, then they are breaking a crime because they lied to fill out their W-7 form to gain access to this Tax PAYER IDENTIFICATION number.

[Mertdawg420]

Stop lying with your "twisted" propaganda around the truth about what a W-7 form is. Anyone can go to the INS website and read the form for themselves. So where is this heavily immigrant work enviroment.

In short. We don't want your illegal immigrant tax money. You can take it and shove it up your ass and stop taking the tons of resources you guys take. We don't want you here so leave already. There's a reason you can't be here legally so respect USA's sovierginty.

[danielcortega]

I'm just giving a well known fact. I'm not talking about people who look for work in front of Home Depots. I'm talking about the many who work regular 9-5 jobs, as medical assistants, fork-lift drivers, fast-food workers and what have that are not citizens nor permanent legal residents but have obtain TIN numbers to pay their taxes. Are they doing this illegal? Yes. Does the IRS accept their money? They sure do. The Govt happily collects this "illegal immigrants tax money"

[tninaf]

California has gone broke and continues to carry on this nonsense.  Wake up California! Take back your state! Deport these ILLEGAL criminals!

[instantword]

How many US citizens have to die because of illegals alien drunk drivers? Deport every single illegal. Now.