This guy makes no sense. Let me pick out a few phrases: Ad Hominem, Higgs Boson, natural Avatism, simple decadence of Divinity. So everything is relative, huh Albert Einstein? Take my advice, a little less word play and more getting to the point.
Do not fight with the Ad Hominem, surely one intelligent as you can avoid them. Your God is the Higgs Boson. Your continuos change is evolution and the printing block is natural atavism and I mean this everything is relative. You don't defend your opposing stances you merely pick out the aspects your capable of criticizing(thats impossible!) you over complicate them and then present your stance as the simple decadence of Divinity.If you love this God, this would be blasphemy. Define Nature?
In theism not only God is real. His creation is real too. That makes for duality or plurality. A creator's existence is debatable. It's a bluff to call it/him 'the necessarily existent one'.
In any theism that I know of, Christian, Muhammadan. I could borrow Pascal's words to make the same point: "Not the God of the philosophers, but the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!" A necessarily existent being or substance could be arrived at through a process of logical reasoning; a creator God, author of holy book or books is a matter of faith and, I venture to suppose, the product of self-delusion.
Bluff? My dictionaries (e.g. Collins/English, VanDale/Dutch) register Muhammadan, Mohammedaan as an older word for muslim. As to the Q, that's what I would call a bluff. Inflated rhetoric, derivative ideas, muddled narrative. Banal and bellicose. To end on a positive point: it sounds beautiful when recited in Arabic. :)
I find the most offensive aspect of this post is its tags that is concluded with Challenge free thinking, with that taken into consideration we can reasonably refute this as a rhetoric, a fallacy, a theological sophist
your arguments have all been thoroughly disproved. you are using an argument like
"that puddle was obviously made to fit that hole in the ground. look at how perfectly it fits." only a person who didn't understand the nature of water might be fooled by an argument like that. similarly you do not understand the principals behind evolution, abiogenesis or other scientific theories that you have summarily rejected because you think they conflict with your fundamental understanding of the world.
this entire thing has been taking into account atoms and molecules..
not evolutionary tactic... it talks about the way gravity, light, and mass effect eachother.... for example if there was ont less sub atomic particle(mass) in the universe it would throw off the effects of gravity and light... likewise atoms wouldnt bond the same... everything would be too compacted or just float around... same with photons(light) and the previous measure of gravity..
in the first part of the video he mentions animal and creature. then when talking about the"potion" he uses the word living. he is using the argument of probability to say that living things could not have come into existence with out outside interference. this is argument has been defeated many times. did you even watch the video. if that is what you got from the video no wonder you have such a bad grasp on simple concepts like evolution and abiogenesis.
"but do u even know what Miller said about his so called evidence at his old ages"
is this a question?
what about abiogenesis is absurd to you? do you really know enough about it to say what is absurd? or do you only have arguments against the strawman version of abiogenesis invented by creationist?
if you want absurd read job 38. do you really think rain is stored in bottles in heaven. when you read this it is obvious that it was meant in a very literal sense.
"WHY CANT YOU ALL SHUT YOUR MOUTHS AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO DECIDE ABOUT THEIR WORLD VIEWS!!!"
this is a comment you posted on expelled exposed channel. do you not see the hypocrisy in this statement considering you are presenting a case in an attempt to influence others world views. i think you have every right to present your arguments so that other people can dissect your badly thought out statements.
Except that there is evidence that random mutation leads to genetic variety which, through natural selection, results in speciation when given enough time. Genetic mutation occurs all the time in every creature - children with hemophelia, color blindness, etc.
The nucleotides that build up chains of DNA sometimes encounter errors when they produce clone chains (because no machine is perfect). DNA's purpose is to create protein. So sometimes these mutations create physical alterations.
The Mantis Shrimp can see a lot of colors which we can't.
There is a specific kind of blood which makes people immune to malaria. It evolved in Africa, but the offspring of people with this gene might be born with anemia.
The genes responsible for the Tree Man disorder will actually change the composition of the skin.
The Vampire Moth, mutated from feeding with nectar to feeding with blood a few years ago.
how did you come to your realization? Though you knoow, this is just one of those people who completely rationalized what you have, within their(my) own life, all inn good ol' happy Canada. wutttup niggaa :P
complexity, precision, rarity, order, do NOT equal design. there is no reason whatsoever to believe the natural undesigned universe cannot contain those 4 things.
The main point being: "It's too complex to become existent by random events-watch evolution is a blind watchmaker. shows a process were complex things can came to be withotu a inteligence or will to originate it..
I've heard this all before. The main point being: "It's too complex to become existent by random events". Well, that's what I made of it. Correct me if I'm wrong. ANyway, this argument has been regfuted. I will watch the other parts now.
The main point being: "It's too complex to become existent by random events-watch evolution is a blind watchmaker. shows a process were complex things can came to be withotu a inteligence or will to originate it..
If you had a clear understanding of evolution, astronomy,chemistry, physics etc. you would probably understand that natural systems such as evolution, and chemical processes such as photosynthesis, oxidative phosphorylation, abiogenesis and even the birth of the universe require no conscious force to guide or start it. That is the main point in your video. Your pharmacist example also uses circular reasoning; does the ocean exist because of the fish in it, or do fish exist because of the ocean?
"If the rate of expansion one second after the big bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have recollapsed before it ever reached its present size."
So,this is Stephen Hawking,who is probably one of the best at astronomy in the whole world
Hawking's writings suggest, and in at least one occasion explicitly state, that there is no need for a god, if you'd actually looked at it, you would know.
This is a quote mine, and it should be obvious to you since if he believed that the odds were such that there needed to be a creator he would have Said That and That would have been the quote.
Now I turn that back at you, Hawking is probably one of the best at astronomy and he says you are wrong.
So,this is Stephen Hawking,who is probably one of the best at astronomy in the whole world
What do YOU understand of this sentence?"
I understand that in context he was not talking about the big bang theory, and merely explaining why a certain kind of 'big bang' was less likely than another.
I put design in quotation marks. Also, I'm not quite sure I get your comment about the diseases.
Also, abiogenesis and the earlier parts of evolution are not known very well at the moment, but that doesn't mean "[insert god here]". There are various hypotheses as to how life could have formed. For example, currently it is suspected that the gene repair mechanism was absent in early living organisms, which allowed for a much greater range of mutation. This is backed by DNA and RNA evidence.
Your video is very poetic but that doesn't make it true. Getting drunk may make girls seem more attractive, but that doesn't make it true either.
Don't blame atheists for using the same attacks, it's always the case. If you had a clear understanding of evolution and astronomy, this video wouldn't be made.
Also, while many points in the video may seem logical and true to you, they are only so in the conditions you place them in, which are for the most part false or baseless assertions.
Theists always use a similar argument, and this is the one you use in this video: Life is too complicated/amazing/perfect to exist by random causes.
a) Evolution is not random
b) Life is not perfect. If you had a medical degree you'd probably know that the human body, and even more so for other animals, is extraordinarily poorly "designed". There are endless inefficiencies, flaws and errors
Also, your statement that life is ordered and so must come from a single being is a baseless assertion
there are many important illnesses that occur because of just a small mutation in one gene
and you see its result and still claim that all the genes may have mutated randomly and chosen by natural selection in order to get a human from a bacteria
Points 2 and 3 at the beginning of the video are invalid, and point 4 is simply baseless (I rewinded 3 times to see if I missed something; nope).
Later on, you demonstrate ignorance of the philanthropic argument, and also arrogantly place humans, or all living things, as some special attribute of the universe. It is in fact the other way around.
Also, the statement that there are a list of constants that must be exact in order for humans to exist is a myth propagated by creationists.
Aesthetically pleasing, well thought out...but ultimately some very questionable reasoning. Without critiquing each of the points, let us simply start with the premise. You say that only four options are available, and ruling out three naturalistic options proves the existence of the all powerful creator. I ask however, how can we be sure there are no more options than this? Can we ever rely on human created logic?Can we use this logic to prove an immaterial and infinite being?I think not.
this is not critically thought out. the flaws in this arguement are too numerous to even begin to comment here. i did come in good faith to see the video. this is the one you suggested?
@5:37 What reason is there to believe that Laws of Nature are distinct entities. If they instead become properties of the Universe, philosophy still has issues, but the fly doesn't.
Perhaps this has been addressed before, but I had to stop at 2:58. Spontaneous chemical reactions happen all the time. It's why copper oxidizes and turns from brown to green.
Your parable, while valid, implies that the chemical reactions had to produce what we see today, which is not true. Proto-life need have only a tiny subset of simplistic structures to develop natural selection, which provides an engine for eventually producing the larger, more complex structures we see today.
There is a point on which abiogenesis science and creationism agree - at some point in the past, inorganic matter became alive. We obviously differ in how we understand the process to have occurred, but we all agree that it did happen.
As for life in general, the current ecosystem makes abiogenesis nearly impossible - the oxygen rich environment and the highly competitive lifeforms in existence today would quickly consume proto-life.
so i guess i'm foolish, unreasonable, unfortunate, delirious, non sensical, denying, unbelieving (well, that's true) sensless, absurd, lifeless, ignorant, inconsious, blind AND deff.. for who is this video anyway? you don't need it for believers, cause they've already found their truth, it can't be for nonbelievers, cause al you do is offend them all the time, so they obviousley can't watch it true the end and paying attention, cause they're all worked up about you offending them. who's foolish?
all you did explain in that video is that the universe is a complicated thing. we all know. but it IS explainable though... kinda hard to understand, that's the thing. i dont blame you for not understanding though, because i respect your effort. but i find it rather anoying that you use those terms. completely unnessecary and of no tribute to your point of view. that was my point...
I've now been exposed to so much creationist fundie bullshit that I feel qualified to judge it without even watching it. Much the way you might judge dark clouds as signalling a storm. So...goodbye.
An argument from incredulity. If it's not possible to find or imagine a naturalistic explanation, it has to be god (without providing evidence for it). :yawn:
A lot of reasons, probably. For one, it helps if you were told it by your parents when you were young enough to think your parents know everything and that they only tell the truth. Santa Clause represents God for kids that can't imagine something as distant as death. A seductive illusion attracts people. Heaven pulls people in. Fear of Hell just keeps believers in. What greater threat is there than excruciating torture that never ends? A lot to risk to understand evolution.
This video just demonstrates how someones presumptions are tough to change. He assumed the religious explanation and that the rest were impossible before he started "reasoning." If he wasn't so rigid in his beliefs, he may have accepted the other possibilities instead of labelling them completely impossible.
How is that shown by the video? Different things seem illogical to different people. "illogical" or confusing or unreasonable is seen by people that just can't make sense of what they are seeing. The only reason he thinks the other things are impossible is simply that it conflicts with the book. The book just dominates as fact over anything tangible and any explanation of anything tangible. It is like having eyes with the book telling you to close them. There is no absolute proof either way.
1000's years ago when man was less intelligent than today, he killed what he could to survive or was killed by another species.
In order to survive we formed groups and created rules, anyone who didn't abide by our rules was kicked out and died :(
Then we found other groups who didn't believe in our rules and they threatened to wipe us out with their Gods and we thought we should have a god then too to frighten and control the other people.
some groups maybe howevr dont you think it amazing for a ppl 1600yrs ago to be so scientifically advanced to have in their book thing s which couldn't possibly have been known which we didn't know until 1960s which is something only able to know in that time because of the technology yet is explaining things so precisly that it is unbelieveable to think this is made up for the reasons which u have describe maybe you need to do a little research into the qur'an
Interesting idea, but in my oppinion, it is possible that life was formed by chance. The universe is so freaking large that if you had a 000000000000000000000000000.1% chance for the creation of organic materials, it would eventualy happen somewhere, sometime. This dosen't disprove the existence of God, as far as i can tell. God is known for mysterious ways, isn't he? He's just playing by his rules.
Interesting idea, but in my oppinion, it is possible that life was formed by chance. The universe is so freaking large that if you had a 000000000000000000000000000.1% chance for the creation of organic materials, it would eventualy happen somewhere, sometime. This dosen't disprove the existence of God, as far as i can tell. God is known for mysterious ways, isn't he? He's just playing by his rules.
the darwins theory which darwin himself said was just a theory has been proven wrong by scientists who have spen their whole working career trying to prove it right, they haven't proven it by what we dont know but by what we do know, they have found inside of dna that it has an inteligeant design which can only lead to a creator (something has written it), not only that but have found by testing dna that every single one of us comes from 7 dna pools named as the 7 daughters of eve
that DNA stuff is BOLLOCKS. it is perfectly possible that appeared "spontaniouslyish"
evolution has never been proven wrong. what's so hard about it?
amimal A has long legs, so it can run away faster. anmal B has short legs, so it gets caught and eaten, and doesn't survive. anyone who doesn't accept that REALLY needs help! AND why is it that half of christians or whatever you are can accept ebvolution, and half cannot? YES OR NO. NOT BOTH
it isnt being proven by wat we dont no but wat we do no plus if u actually read darwin said that it was a theory such as global warming which scientist have proven wrong also the only reason y government is pushing it is because a banker said u can make money out of this darwins theory has been proven wrong because the dna is so well organised however what you have described isnt evolution but survival of the fittests strongest smartest.etc something which i dont deny and neither does islam
yep. that's survival of the fittest...thats natural selection...so how do you explain the animals differences? DNA wasn't copied entirely amazingly corectly, so the animal had a different trait that lead to its survival...why would that not be correnct? natuaral selection and evolution do go hand in hand.
If you agree that natural selection is going on...it's illogical to deny evolution..
science Can support evolution. evolution is logical.vevolution CAN cause an animal to get new organs. it's a bit complicated, but basically two genes pop up that do the same thing; whilst the old gene continues doing the right stuff, and CAN'T be hanged, the new gene can change and be hopped up and played with loads, without affecting the other one. I cannot BELIEVE you are bringing PROOF into this argument. just setting yourself for bad things. i'm not even gonna go into proof
so you're saying that evolution has happened but you are only going to tace it back as many years as you want to, and then stop...?
I am thinking more clearly than you.
there ARE muations that cause problems... if you believe in natural selection, eg dogs, then how do you explain the diferences between dogs? what's your theory?
nothing is perfect...nothing does stuff correctly 100% of the time, so whty should DNA be any different? sometimes it copies the wrong stuff.
the thing is, its taken right the way back to the beggining of the universe. i misunderstood where dutchman is coming from as well at first. (my view)
the universe is a giant program. god is the programmer. the big bang was the build sorta thing, (/my view) science cannot disprove this. impossible to understand the pre universal mass.
dutchman aint a creationist like those crazy chrisitans.
and unlike you he does not get angry when confronted with views he disagrees with.
I haven't misunderstood where he's comnig from. he thinks that something created the universe on purpose. nothing did.
It's more logical to assume that nothing did than it is to assume that something was around and went "HEY, I've an idea! I'll create earth!"
It's SUCH A SILLY IDEA...who thought of it? I guarentee that if someone else hadn't thought of it then you wouldn't have. by the way..your little "view" is pretty much just the same as christians...
...I don't think many scientists say that is is completely random..only creationists. It's more like: genetic variation in a species IS random, and it must go through the "filter" of change of habitat or environmental changes/pressures, which is not random...
so... nothing odd about that...don't see why these odd people have trouble UNDERSTANDING what this stuff is to begin with!
why do all religions centre around the fear of death???
Some religious people call nonbelievers arrogent as if we think we are Gods. Another way of looking at them is to say they are arrogent for thinking they know the truth without having anything to prove it with.
Everyone has some arrogence and ignorance by strongly believing themselves right. That arrogence prevents us from learning more about the alternatives. Religious people's fear of hell destroys any attempt to understand evolution.
I think it's pretty arrogant that people think we are so important and amazing, that we had to have been created by some supreme being up in the sky.......
It is not fear that drives me. It is hope. I believe that there is something beyond this experience, because I have hope. Call it what you will, but what is wrong with hope?
There is nothing wrong with hope. I just disagree with this video and the title word "proving." There is no absolute proof either way or people wouldn't have anything to debate about. Believe what you want and time will tell if that helps you. In rare cases, knowing or believing the truth can actually hurt you.
Hmmm...to bad he doesn´t talk about evolution, it´s really interesting and doesn´t have much to do with luck or random events. Stop looking at life as if it´s some fairytale where everything is perfect and sweet. The world works the way it does because of natural selection through millions of years...not some divine creator who will greet us all. (exept for me)
All those explanations work. Those things called "impossible" are just as impossible as the existance of God. When he said the first explanation of a chain of cause and effect being unreasonable, he conveyed the lack of reason in thinking any deity could have set up such a chain. If we didn't first exist, we wouldn't be asking how or why. The creation of the question doesn't imply any particular method of creation. If you take them figuratively enough, all those explanations are the same.
I am going to say this ONCE! Source,SOURCE,SOURCE..... education is the antidote to stupid. If the source is corrupt in any way shape or form then you must not use it. If it can not be proven wrong, then it must be exam end, with a open mind for change> That is why I hold to the Word of GOD, It has not been proven wrong! as I said in the beginning, sources, there a lot of stroy tellers, to listen to one mans techings with out unrecordable sources is still beliving that the world is flat
God is one. Allah has sent messengers to every nation and even a large amount of Africa where monothiest at one point. There is an acient prayer in Africa which includes God is one and has no images. Hinidim started off as a monothiestic religon too. God is one.
I don't believe things are exactly the way they are taught. Maybe like everything in the universe has been created, every person has been created. We are children of that creative process. Jesus was one of these children. He was special by being extremely selfless, if nothing else. In many ways, he was the son of this, a boy created from this process.
"One of the scribes came, and heard them questioning together. Knowing that he had answered them well, asked him, "Which commandment is the greatest of all?"
Jesus answered,
"The greatest is,'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one
you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment."
"One of the scribes came, and heard them questioning together. Knowing that he had answered them well, asked him, "Which commandment is the greatest of all?"
Jesus answered,
"The greatest is,'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one
you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment."
since there is so many religions, and all it is claiming to be the right way to god..we have to examine which one is the right one..as we know false religion calls u to worship wither man or god in the form of his creations..therefore those religions calling for idoletry..christian worship God in the form of a man (god's creation), budisim worship buda, hindusim worship elephent and cows. only Islam worship one God which none like him. and, he is beyoend our imaginations (True, Allmighty God)..
Then why didn't God make 100% sure that no one could be in any doubt? Or doesn't he mind billions of people burning eternally in Hell - because they failed to be convinced by Islam?
God has made it very clear for evweryone..but if people dont be ignorent then they will read and investigate, and when u see the truth they should accept it no matter where is coming from. all the scientist has cofirmed that whatever has mentioned in the Quran is true and science agree with it, yet people become so ignorent that they reject it because it is not in their own intrest..so God does not want people burn in hell people thmeselves want to be burn in hell..
Jesus said "I am the light, i am the way". Religion has caused hate throught the world over peole stuck in there ways millions of people have been killed over religion! Jesus is the answer and the way.
Jesus said "I am the light, i am the way". Religion has caused hate throught the world over peole stuck in there ways millions of people have been killed over religion! Jesus is the answer and the way.
Um, there have been 200 million who have died in secular wars, Stalin killed millions, Hitler killed Millions, the Chinese killed millions and we kill millions via abortion.
interesting.
Elvisdogg 2 years ago
wow
:D
its been a long time dude
so,did you remember me?
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
Arrrg. The stupid. IT BURNS!!!!!
alianchild 2 years ago 2
This guy makes no sense. Let me pick out a few phrases: Ad Hominem, Higgs Boson, natural Avatism, simple decadence of Divinity. So everything is relative, huh Albert Einstein? Take my advice, a little less word play and more getting to the point.
entreupioneer 2 years ago 2
Do not fight with the Ad Hominem, surely one intelligent as you can avoid them. Your God is the Higgs Boson. Your continuos change is evolution and the printing block is natural atavism and I mean this everything is relative. You don't defend your opposing stances you merely pick out the aspects your capable of criticizing(thats impossible!) you over complicate them and then present your stance as the simple decadence of Divinity.If you love this God, this would be blasphemy. Define Nature?
religiousvom1t 2 years ago
The 'necessarily existent one' is the God of Spinoza. It's the one substance, the one independent thing, therefore obviously not a creator God.
IpsaPaphum 2 years ago
does independence contradict with being able to create?
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
In theism not only God is real. His creation is real too. That makes for duality or plurality. A creator's existence is debatable. It's a bluff to call it/him 'the necessarily existent one'.
IpsaPaphum 2 years ago
in which theism..?
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
In any theism that I know of, Christian, Muhammadan. I could borrow Pascal's words to make the same point: "Not the God of the philosophers, but the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!" A necessarily existent being or substance could be arrived at through a process of logical reasoning; a creator God, author of holy book or books is a matter of faith and, I venture to suppose, the product of self-delusion.
IpsaPaphum 2 years ago 3
there is nothing called "Muhammedan" in Islam
this is a bluff to say such thing
but if you wonder Islamic theism,you can read Quran
and by the way,this video doesnt already want any religious view in
whatever said in this video is already all about simple thinking
peace
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
Bluff? My dictionaries (e.g. Collins/English, VanDale/Dutch) register Muhammadan, Mohammedaan as an older word for muslim. As to the Q, that's what I would call a bluff. Inflated rhetoric, derivative ideas, muddled narrative. Banal and bellicose. To end on a positive point: it sounds beautiful when recited in Arabic. :)
IpsaPaphum 2 years ago 4
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matmicmj 2 years ago
thank you
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
Good.
icriosphinx 2 years ago
A deist using the argument from personal incredulity? Well done.
RhunDraco 2 years ago
I find the most offensive aspect of this post is its tags that is concluded with Challenge free thinking, with that taken into consideration we can reasonably refute this as a rhetoric, a fallacy, a theological sophist
religiousvom1t 2 years ago
maybe u should watch it until the end and then i will be appreciated if you reasonably refute this :D
peace
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
Just propaganda to draw the attention away from talking snakes and donkeys,
Philos2006 2 years ago
Propaganda
Madhijz 2 years ago
@ andymiller1 please note what part of the video leads you to think he is talking about the way light and mass affect each other.
purplejugnut 3 years ago
your arguments have all been thoroughly disproved. you are using an argument like
"that puddle was obviously made to fit that hole in the ground. look at how perfectly it fits." only a person who didn't understand the nature of water might be fooled by an argument like that. similarly you do not understand the principals behind evolution, abiogenesis or other scientific theories that you have summarily rejected because you think they conflict with your fundamental understanding of the world.
purplejugnut 3 years ago 2
thats not what its talking about idiot...
this entire thing has been taking into account atoms and molecules..
not evolutionary tactic... it talks about the way gravity, light, and mass effect eachother.... for example if there was ont less sub atomic particle(mass) in the universe it would throw off the effects of gravity and light... likewise atoms wouldnt bond the same... everything would be too compacted or just float around... same with photons(light) and the previous measure of gravity..
AndyMiller1 3 years ago
in the first part of the video he mentions animal and creature. then when talking about the"potion" he uses the word living. he is using the argument of probability to say that living things could not have come into existence with out outside interference. this is argument has been defeated many times. did you even watch the video. if that is what you got from the video no wonder you have such a bad grasp on simple concepts like evolution and abiogenesis.
purplejugnut 3 years ago
abiogenesis is way more nonsense and absurd than the simple example in the video
you can believe it in that way though
but do u even know what Miller said about his so called evidence at his old ages
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
"but do u even know what Miller said about his so called evidence at his old ages"
is this a question?
what about abiogenesis is absurd to you? do you really know enough about it to say what is absurd? or do you only have arguments against the strawman version of abiogenesis invented by creationist?
if you want absurd read job 38. do you really think rain is stored in bottles in heaven. when you read this it is obvious that it was meant in a very literal sense.
purplejugnut 3 years ago
2 things that may sound interesting
1-i dont beliiiieeeve in bible
2-i am studying biology at uni
so what were you saying?
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
"WHY CANT YOU ALL SHUT YOUR MOUTHS AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO DECIDE ABOUT THEIR WORLD VIEWS!!!"
this is a comment you posted on expelled exposed channel. do you not see the hypocrisy in this statement considering you are presenting a case in an attempt to influence others world views. i think you have every right to present your arguments so that other people can dissect your badly thought out statements.
purplejugnut 3 years ago
a religious scientist shouldn't say
:"God created this"
just like an atheist scientist shouldn't say
:"chance(random mutation)created this"
that doesn't mean we will kill all the philosophers
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
nothing in your reply addressed any of the points i was making. was this reply meant for me?
purplejugnut 3 years ago
Except that there is evidence that random mutation leads to genetic variety which, through natural selection, results in speciation when given enough time. Genetic mutation occurs all the time in every creature - children with hemophelia, color blindness, etc.
The nucleotides that build up chains of DNA sometimes encounter errors when they produce clone chains (because no machine is perfect). DNA's purpose is to create protein. So sometimes these mutations create physical alterations.
huxtiblejones 3 years ago
i dont have any problem with speciation
it is all about the selection of different gene groups from a gene pool
but where are the positive random mutations adding really new information to this which has never existed before
such as becoming able to see new colors
or having a quicker blood coagulation
peace
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
The Mantis Shrimp can see a lot of colors which we can't.
There is a specific kind of blood which makes people immune to malaria. It evolved in Africa, but the offspring of people with this gene might be born with anemia.
The genes responsible for the Tree Man disorder will actually change the composition of the skin.
The Vampire Moth, mutated from feeding with nectar to feeding with blood a few years ago.
MaxorZoo 2 years ago
uhh can i get that in text :P
good stuff bud. a/s/l? haha >:D
how did you come to your realization? Though you knoow, this is just one of those people who completely rationalized what you have, within their(my) own life, all inn good ol' happy Canada. wutttup niggaa :P
ThomasRW2 3 years ago
Bad thing I can't descrive this
moitoutseuls 3 years ago
so sad
lucklyclover58 3 years ago
complexity, precision, rarity, order, do NOT equal design. there is no reason whatsoever to believe the natural undesigned universe cannot contain those 4 things.
friendlynihilist 3 years ago
The main point being: "It's too complex to become existent by random events-watch evolution is a blind watchmaker. shows a process were complex things can came to be withotu a inteligence or will to originate it..
13248396 3 years ago
please watch 4 parts and join us under the 4th part
there is one more buddy like you
you two join your forces :D
the argument is different
this is just the first part
as a beginning
peace
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
"us" ahhaahaha
ThomasRW2 3 years ago
Non ho capito niente, ma le immagini sono bellissime. Io non parlo inglese, questo testo è stato tradotto da un sito. Ciao Imma
I have not understood anything, but the images are very beautiful. I don't speak English, this text translates from a site. Hi Imma
immadep 3 years ago
I've heard this all before. The main point being: "It's too complex to become existent by random events". Well, that's what I made of it. Correct me if I'm wrong. ANyway, this argument has been regfuted. I will watch the other parts now.
FHomeBrew 3 years ago
The main point being: "It's too complex to become existent by random events-watch evolution is a blind watchmaker. shows a process were complex things can came to be withotu a inteligence or will to originate it..
13248396 3 years ago
If you had a clear understanding of evolution, astronomy,chemistry, physics etc. you would probably understand that natural systems such as evolution, and chemical processes such as photosynthesis, oxidative phosphorylation, abiogenesis and even the birth of the universe require no conscious force to guide or start it. That is the main point in your video. Your pharmacist example also uses circular reasoning; does the ocean exist because of the fish in it, or do fish exist because of the ocean?
runevirage 3 years ago 5
"If the rate of expansion one second after the big bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have recollapsed before it ever reached its present size."
So,this is Stephen Hawking,who is probably one of the best at astronomy in the whole world
What do YOU understand of this sentence?
no conscious force needed?
definitely and surely?
or is there any other option?
this is just about the birth of the universe
others,later..
peace
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
Hawking's writings suggest, and in at least one occasion explicitly state, that there is no need for a god, if you'd actually looked at it, you would know.
This is a quote mine, and it should be obvious to you since if he believed that the odds were such that there needed to be a creator he would have Said That and That would have been the quote.
Now I turn that back at you, Hawking is probably one of the best at astronomy and he says you are wrong.
sroHex 3 years ago
so you follow the ideas of scientists
their own philosophies and thinkings
but i follow what they disceover and with greatest respects to theirs,i choose to think on my own
thanks for your comments and watching the series
peace and love
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
""quote mine you had."
So,this is Stephen Hawking,who is probably one of the best at astronomy in the whole world
What do YOU understand of this sentence?"
I understand that in context he was not talking about the big bang theory, and merely explaining why a certain kind of 'big bang' was less likely than another.
sroHex 3 years ago
too vague to be define, thats why he doesnt have to lift a finger and he's rich.
just a marketing tool to get people who are interested to research what the fuck it does mean and to sell books.
ThomasRW2 3 years ago
I put design in quotation marks. Also, I'm not quite sure I get your comment about the diseases.
Also, abiogenesis and the earlier parts of evolution are not known very well at the moment, but that doesn't mean "[insert god here]". There are various hypotheses as to how life could have formed. For example, currently it is suspected that the gene repair mechanism was absent in early living organisms, which allowed for a much greater range of mutation. This is backed by DNA and RNA evidence.
runevirage 3 years ago
and also by commenting on the first part
you are like "quoting out of context"
let the video finish what it says
there are more 30 minutes
and whatever,i've seen only one atheist who watched the 4 parts and his comment is right there
he liked it,really
although he didnt become a theist
please lets go on under the 4th part after you watch 2,3 and 4
at least you will see good videos from universe
regards
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
Your video is very poetic but that doesn't make it true. Getting drunk may make girls seem more attractive, but that doesn't make it true either.
Don't blame atheists for using the same attacks, it's always the case. If you had a clear understanding of evolution and astronomy, this video wouldn't be made.
Also, while many points in the video may seem logical and true to you, they are only so in the conditions you place them in, which are for the most part false or baseless assertions.
runevirage 3 years ago
what is the point i dont understand about evolution and astronomy?
peace
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
Theists always use a similar argument, and this is the one you use in this video: Life is too complicated/amazing/perfect to exist by random causes.
a) Evolution is not random
b) Life is not perfect. If you had a medical degree you'd probably know that the human body, and even more so for other animals, is extraordinarily poorly "designed". There are endless inefficiencies, flaws and errors
Also, your statement that life is ordered and so must come from a single being is a baseless assertion
runevirage 3 years ago
if you call illnesses "poor design"
then why dont you think about that
there are many important illnesses that occur because of just a small mutation in one gene
and you see its result and still claim that all the genes may have mutated randomly and chosen by natural selection in order to get a human from a bacteria
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
Points 2 and 3 at the beginning of the video are invalid, and point 4 is simply baseless (I rewinded 3 times to see if I missed something; nope).
Later on, you demonstrate ignorance of the philanthropic argument, and also arrogantly place humans, or all living things, as some special attribute of the universe. It is in fact the other way around.
Also, the statement that there are a list of constants that must be exact in order for humans to exist is a myth propagated by creationists.
runevirage 3 years ago
Huge lack of scientific understanding, especially chemistry, and Biology.
As well as blatant lies.
Also he goes on about perfection and order, has the author actually looked at the world around them, obviously not.
T0mNZ 3 years ago
do you atheists always attack using the exact same way?
calling people unable to comprehend what science brings?
or calling them ignorant fools who always got less education than you?
also do you always have to misunderstand sentences?
man...
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
Aesthetically pleasing, well thought out...but ultimately some very questionable reasoning. Without critiquing each of the points, let us simply start with the premise. You say that only four options are available, and ruling out three naturalistic options proves the existence of the all powerful creator. I ask however, how can we be sure there are no more options than this? Can we ever rely on human created logic?Can we use this logic to prove an immaterial and infinite being?I think not.
LordImmolation 3 years ago
please watch until part 4 and call me there to speak
thanks
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
this is not critically thought out. the flaws in this arguement are too numerous to even begin to comment here. i did come in good faith to see the video. this is the one you suggested?
cozmikzen 3 years ago
thanks for coming cozmikzen
you know what,i think sometimes that i should have put a different order in the parts
because definitely the third way is the way of atheists today and it starts in the next parts
it will take your time,but at least you will see better footage from ESA
please watch the next 3 parts and send a mail including your thoughts
regards
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
And I utterly fail to comprehend the third possibility and the argument against it.
glorpy2 3 years ago
@5:37 What reason is there to believe that Laws of Nature are distinct entities. If they instead become properties of the Universe, philosophy still has issues, but the fly doesn't.
glorpy2 3 years ago
@ 3:50. You're already declaring that the ratio of constituent elements was divinely inspired, so from here on out it's circular logic.
glorpy2 3 years ago
if nature cant do something
it must have been done by something other than nature
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
That's perfectly reasonable, but I have yet to see or hear of a physical phenomenon that isn't explainable via natural processes.
glorpy2 3 years ago
Perhaps this has been addressed before, but I had to stop at 2:58. Spontaneous chemical reactions happen all the time. It's why copper oxidizes and turns from brown to green.
Your parable, while valid, implies that the chemical reactions had to produce what we see today, which is not true. Proto-life need have only a tiny subset of simplistic structures to develop natural selection, which provides an engine for eventually producing the larger, more complex structures we see today.
glorpy2 3 years ago
so in other words,u still believe that life "always" arises from dead matter?
peace
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
There is a point on which abiogenesis science and creationism agree - at some point in the past, inorganic matter became alive. We obviously differ in how we understand the process to have occurred, but we all agree that it did happen.
As for life in general, the current ecosystem makes abiogenesis nearly impossible - the oxygen rich environment and the highly competitive lifeforms in existence today would quickly consume proto-life.
glorpy2 3 years ago
so i guess i'm foolish, unreasonable, unfortunate, delirious, non sensical, denying, unbelieving (well, that's true) sensless, absurd, lifeless, ignorant, inconsious, blind AND deff.. for who is this video anyway? you don't need it for believers, cause they've already found their truth, it can't be for nonbelievers, cause al you do is offend them all the time, so they obviousley can't watch it true the end and paying attention, cause they're all worked up about you offending them. who's foolish?
snannert 3 years ago
see,perhaps you are...
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
or you are,
what's your point?
all you did explain in that video is that the universe is a complicated thing. we all know. but it IS explainable though... kinda hard to understand, that's the thing. i dont blame you for not understanding though, because i respect your effort. but i find it rather anoying that you use those terms. completely unnessecary and of no tribute to your point of view. that was my point...
snannert 3 years ago
blind deaf etc are used to refer to nature
not to you
and i understand that the rules work in universe thats what all science agrees on
but how did the rules come out
this is the question of philosophy
peace
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
you see! now we're getting somewhere! thís time we DO agree!
snannert 3 years ago
Wow, Muslims have far better arguments and rational then Christians do in explaining the obvious existence of a creator. Great arguments here.
Prohoridzo 3 years ago
please watch all 4 parts
4th is my favorite :)
peace and thanks
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
I've now been exposed to so much creationist fundie bullshit that I feel qualified to judge it without even watching it. Much the way you might judge dark clouds as signalling a storm. So...goodbye.
gandalf2069 3 years ago
ALLAHU EKBER! Nothing compares to ALLAH! There is no God but HE!Nice video! Thanks!
irenalb 3 years ago
well, it doesn't prove anything at all. I invite you to watch mi video.
Lightsummon 3 years ago
An argument from incredulity. If it's not possible to find or imagine a naturalistic explanation, it has to be god (without providing evidence for it). :yawn:
Ryz666 3 years ago
la illaha illallah
Fightingirish1428 3 years ago
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this sucks you suck
dicklickingfag3 3 years ago
i love how theists just beat that strawman to death... it's almost cute, if it weren't so widespread.
kwkcardinal 3 years ago
A lot of reasons, probably. For one, it helps if you were told it by your parents when you were young enough to think your parents know everything and that they only tell the truth. Santa Clause represents God for kids that can't imagine something as distant as death. A seductive illusion attracts people. Heaven pulls people in. Fear of Hell just keeps believers in. What greater threat is there than excruciating torture that never ends? A lot to risk to understand evolution.
joshig1983 3 years ago
this is all true!
you're OH SO correct...
I think It's odd how people continue to believe it even in this day n age...Am I the only person who thinks thatit's actually STRANGE? lol
havaniiiceday!
xXx
martybow1 3 years ago
this is all true!
you're OH SO correct...
I think It's odd how people continue to believe it even in this day n age...Am I the only person who thinks thatit's actually STRANGE? lol
havaniiiceday!
xXx
martybow1 3 years ago
This video just demonstrates how someones presumptions are tough to change. He assumed the religious explanation and that the rest were impossible before he started "reasoning." If he wasn't so rigid in his beliefs, he may have accepted the other possibilities instead of labelling them completely impossible.
joshig1983 3 years ago
no
it was just there to warn the religion haters
some people deny God bcs of illogical beliefs
thats why..
peace
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
How is that shown by the video? Different things seem illogical to different people. "illogical" or confusing or unreasonable is seen by people that just can't make sense of what they are seeing. The only reason he thinks the other things are impossible is simply that it conflicts with the book. The book just dominates as fact over anything tangible and any explanation of anything tangible. It is like having eyes with the book telling you to close them. There is no absolute proof either way.
joshig1983 3 years ago
the video doesnt speak about ANY religious view
it only speaks about the 4 possibilties about the "origin" of everything
you are free to watch the 4 parts and decide if it can do what it claims
peace
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
Great video.
chris7777777777777 3 years ago
We convinced ourselves so much then that we forgot that we made it all up.
Today we're a bit more intelligent aren't we?
We now understand that religion provided us with a way of life, it defined our laws that we abide by.
So why do we continue to believe in Gods?
All religions in the past created them - for one sole purpose, to keep control of their flock.
Man needs leaders.
Sorry for the truth.
Please Enjoy the lives that you have and better the lives of your children.
nicomowarsaw 3 years ago
to nico
thanks for sharing your opinions
this video doesnt speak about God nor gods nor religions
its just about realizing the existence of MetaPhysics
also,when Greeks climbed up the mountains and saw,no gods were up there
it only shattered their "beliefs"
Peace
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
why do most religions centre around death?
why are there no religions that say
"and then, when you're thrity, you will have your nipples played with in a way that you REALLY like,"
or
"after you complete these tasks, you will be able to fly around...lots..."
it's cuz...if a religion is all about after death, there is no possible way to disprove it, unless it's as proposturous as the bible, of course!
havaniceday!
cunt.
martybow1 3 years ago
1000's years ago when man was less intelligent than today, he killed what he could to survive or was killed by another species.
In order to survive we formed groups and created rules, anyone who didn't abide by our rules was kicked out and died :(
Then we found other groups who didn't believe in our rules and they threatened to wipe us out with their Gods and we thought we should have a god then too to frighten and control the other people.
nicomowarsaw 3 years ago
some groups maybe howevr dont you think it amazing for a ppl 1600yrs ago to be so scientifically advanced to have in their book thing s which couldn't possibly have been known which we didn't know until 1960s which is something only able to know in that time because of the technology yet is explaining things so precisly that it is unbelieveable to think this is made up for the reasons which u have describe maybe you need to do a little research into the qur'an
loveislamictruth 3 years ago
uff why cant i watch videos normally no more?
streetbabi 3 years ago
WOW
Ma sha'a Allah.
Jazak Allah khair brother.
BeMyBro 3 years ago
Interesting idea, but in my oppinion, it is possible that life was formed by chance. The universe is so freaking large that if you had a 000000000000000000000000000.1% chance for the creation of organic materials, it would eventualy happen somewhere, sometime. This dosen't disprove the existence of God, as far as i can tell. God is known for mysterious ways, isn't he? He's just playing by his rules.
robotbeez 3 years ago
this is interesting as well
but if that possibility became real once,
probably the life from couldnt go on existing more than a few hours :P
life is too complex when it is compared to matter
peace
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
that's bollocks for a start...
martybow1 3 years ago
this is interesting as well
but if that possibility became real once,
probably the life from couldnt go on existing more than a few hours :P
life is too complex when it is compared to matter
peace
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
Interesting idea, but in my oppinion, it is possible that life was formed by chance. The universe is so freaking large that if you had a 000000000000000000000000000.1% chance for the creation of organic materials, it would eventualy happen somewhere, sometime. This dosen't disprove the existence of God, as far as i can tell. God is known for mysterious ways, isn't he? He's just playing by his rules.
robotbeez 3 years ago
LAILAHAILLILAH
ischarp 3 years ago
the darwins theory which darwin himself said was just a theory has been proven wrong by scientists who have spen their whole working career trying to prove it right, they haven't proven it by what we dont know but by what we do know, they have found inside of dna that it has an inteligeant design which can only lead to a creator (something has written it), not only that but have found by testing dna that every single one of us comes from 7 dna pools named as the 7 daughters of eve
loveislamictruth 3 years ago
that DNA stuff is BOLLOCKS. it is perfectly possible that appeared "spontaniouslyish"
evolution has never been proven wrong. what's so hard about it?
amimal A has long legs, so it can run away faster. anmal B has short legs, so it gets caught and eaten, and doesn't survive. anyone who doesn't accept that REALLY needs help! AND why is it that half of christians or whatever you are can accept ebvolution, and half cannot? YES OR NO. NOT BOTH
havaniceday!
xXx
martybow1 3 years ago
it isnt being proven by wat we dont no but wat we do no plus if u actually read darwin said that it was a theory such as global warming which scientist have proven wrong also the only reason y government is pushing it is because a banker said u can make money out of this darwins theory has been proven wrong because the dna is so well organised however what you have described isnt evolution but survival of the fittests strongest smartest.etc something which i dont deny and neither does islam
loveislamictruth 3 years ago
yep. that's survival of the fittest...thats natural selection...so how do you explain the animals differences? DNA wasn't copied entirely amazingly corectly, so the animal had a different trait that lead to its survival...why would that not be correnct? natuaral selection and evolution do go hand in hand.
If you agree that natural selection is going on...it's illogical to deny evolution..
havaniceday!
xXx
martybow1 3 years ago
ahoya martybow1
of course natural selection exists
simply,just look at the dogs
but could the natural selection give them different organs?or anything really new?
nope.they always changed according to what their gene pool allowed
it is same in all other species
there is no scientific evidence to support the claim,species can get new specialities or information can be added to DNA by natural selection
if you want to believe its opposite,its just a belief that science cant support
respects
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
science Can support evolution. evolution is logical.vevolution CAN cause an animal to get new organs. it's a bit complicated, but basically two genes pop up that do the same thing; whilst the old gene continues doing the right stuff, and CAN'T be hanged, the new gene can change and be hopped up and played with loads, without affecting the other one. I cannot BELIEVE you are bringing PROOF into this argument. just setting yourself for bad things. i'm not even gonna go into proof
havaniceday
xXx
martybow1 3 years ago
science supports evolution
but not the one that claims everything evolved from a stupid cell
and that stupid cell even evolved from matter
the things you are talking about are just the "painted and veiled" version of the fact that random mutations cause only problems
have a day that will make you think for the first time in your life :P
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
so you're saying that evolution has happened but you are only going to tace it back as many years as you want to, and then stop...?
I am thinking more clearly than you.
there ARE muations that cause problems... if you believe in natural selection, eg dogs, then how do you explain the diferences between dogs? what's your theory?
nothing is perfect...nothing does stuff correctly 100% of the time, so whty should DNA be any different? sometimes it copies the wrong stuff.
havanaverageday!
xXx
martybow1 3 years ago
the thing is, its taken right the way back to the beggining of the universe. i misunderstood where dutchman is coming from as well at first. (my view)
the universe is a giant program. god is the programmer. the big bang was the build sorta thing, (/my view) science cannot disprove this. impossible to understand the pre universal mass.
dutchman aint a creationist like those crazy chrisitans.
and unlike you he does not get angry when confronted with views he disagrees with.
cheeryvibez 3 years ago
I am not angry...
I haven't misunderstood where he's comnig from. he thinks that something created the universe on purpose. nothing did.
It's more logical to assume that nothing did than it is to assume that something was around and went "HEY, I've an idea! I'll create earth!"
It's SUCH A SILLY IDEA...who thought of it? I guarentee that if someone else hadn't thought of it then you wouldn't have. by the way..your little "view" is pretty much just the same as christians...
don't havaniceday.
martybow1 3 years ago
So if they had spent half of their lives proving it wrong maybe then they would have eventually proved it right :)
nicomowarsaw 3 years ago
indeedy, indeedy!
perhaps...if they han't even tried to prove it right, they would've ended up cooking ommelettes and getting high on tree bark!
or..perhaps....licking one anothers nipples in an experiment to find out how to make men lactate......
havagreatday!
xXx
martybow1 3 years ago
lol
so until "that day"
go on believing in holy coincidences
lol
peace
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
JAZAKUM ALLAH UL KHAIR!!!
mebeur 3 years ago
HighFlyingDutchman...do you accept evolution?
99999999988888888 4 years ago
Its a part of Islam. But we dont believe in 100% evolution.
FahadKhan1988 4 years ago
Please go into more detail.
99999999988888888 4 years ago
he means everything didnt happen by random mutations
adaptation and natural selection already exists ;)
salaam
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
and variation of course
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
...I don't think many scientists say that is is completely random..only creationists. It's more like: genetic variation in a species IS random, and it must go through the "filter" of change of habitat or environmental changes/pressures, which is not random...
so... nothing odd about that...don't see why these odd people have trouble UNDERSTANDING what this stuff is to begin with!
why do all religions centre around the fear of death???
havanaverageday!
xXx
martybow1 3 years ago
That is just the rigid way people think.
Some religious people call nonbelievers arrogent as if we think we are Gods. Another way of looking at them is to say they are arrogent for thinking they know the truth without having anything to prove it with.
Everyone has some arrogence and ignorance by strongly believing themselves right. That arrogence prevents us from learning more about the alternatives. Religious people's fear of hell destroys any attempt to understand evolution.
joshig1983 3 years ago
joshiggggg.. I agreeeee!
I think it's pretty arrogant that people think we are so important and amazing, that we had to have been created by some supreme being up in the sky.......
havaniceday!
xXx
martybow1 3 years ago
It is not fear that drives me. It is hope. I believe that there is something beyond this experience, because I have hope. Call it what you will, but what is wrong with hope?
ezekiel316 3 years ago
There is nothing wrong with hope. I just disagree with this video and the title word "proving." There is no absolute proof either way or people wouldn't have anything to debate about. Believe what you want and time will tell if that helps you. In rare cases, knowing or believing the truth can actually hurt you.
joshig1983 3 years ago
philosophy...
the video starts clearly
if there are possibilites about something
if you can disprove some of them by using objective logic
then you can say,one of those which remained is true
peace
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
yes we do..it says very clearly in the Quran that evolution does occur
Shadow456376 3 years ago
Excellent Video.
Thank you for sharing.
Please keep up the good work.
Jazaka Allahu Khairan.
fred7373 4 years ago
deep,there is no such thing as random,over time anything will repeat and form a pattern 5* lol scotty and libby:o)
scottytoohottie123 4 years ago
Hmmm...to bad he doesn´t talk about evolution, it´s really interesting and doesn´t have much to do with luck or random events. Stop looking at life as if it´s some fairytale where everything is perfect and sweet. The world works the way it does because of natural selection through millions of years...not some divine creator who will greet us all. (exept for me)
JonisKanonis 4 years ago
evolution
is design in creatures your best argument to prove the existence of the Necessarily Existent One?
I think it is the simplest one
u r free to think whatever u want
but i'd be glad if u watched 4 parts
peace
HighFlyingDutchman 4 years ago
"is design in creatures your best argument to prove the existence of the Necessarily Existent One?"
I´ve never said I want to prove there is an Existent One
JonisKanonis 4 years ago
All those explanations work. Those things called "impossible" are just as impossible as the existance of God. When he said the first explanation of a chain of cause and effect being unreasonable, he conveyed the lack of reason in thinking any deity could have set up such a chain. If we didn't first exist, we wouldn't be asking how or why. The creation of the question doesn't imply any particular method of creation. If you take them figuratively enough, all those explanations are the same.
joshig1983 4 years ago
I am going to say this ONCE! Source,SOURCE,SOURCE..... education is the antidote to stupid. If the source is corrupt in any way shape or form then you must not use it. If it can not be proven wrong, then it must be exam end, with a open mind for change> That is why I hold to the Word of GOD, It has not been proven wrong! as I said in the beginning, sources, there a lot of stroy tellers, to listen to one mans techings with out unrecordable sources is still beliving that the world is flat
buckbeak1965 4 years ago
God is one. Allah has sent messengers to every nation and even a large amount of Africa where monothiest at one point. There is an acient prayer in Africa which includes God is one and has no images. Hinidim started off as a monothiestic religon too. God is one.
josevanreyes 4 years ago
Jesus is the son of the living God
GrandGuignologist 4 years ago
I don't believe things are exactly the way they are taught. Maybe like everything in the universe has been created, every person has been created. We are children of that creative process. Jesus was one of these children. He was special by being extremely selfless, if nothing else. In many ways, he was the son of this, a boy created from this process.
joshig1983 4 years ago
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"One of the scribes came, and heard them questioning together. Knowing that he had answered them well, asked him, "Which commandment is the greatest of all?"
Jesus answered,
"The greatest is,'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one
you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment."
Mark 12:28,29,30
Peace!
HighFlyingDutchman 4 years ago
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"One of the scribes came, and heard them questioning together. Knowing that he had answered them well, asked him, "Which commandment is the greatest of all?"
Jesus answered,
"The greatest is,'Hear, Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one
you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment."
Mark 12:28,29,30
Peace!
HighFlyingDutchman 4 years ago
Nice Vid
taano71 4 years ago
Thanks - but this doesn't prove that Islam is true.
hassanradwan 4 years ago
I'm not interested in becoming a Muslim, but this video is very good nonetheless. 5 stars.
nonew3 4 years ago 2
what is your religon by the way?
alishba01 4 years ago
I am a Messianic.
nonew3 4 years ago
another totally awesome video. keep up the good work
batmanfan 4 years ago
You establish a higher intelligence well here.
However I do not agree with any religions.
Especially Islam- and also I feel God is not a *religion*.
VioletLeaves 4 years ago
since there is so many religions, and all it is claiming to be the right way to god..we have to examine which one is the right one..as we know false religion calls u to worship wither man or god in the form of his creations..therefore those religions calling for idoletry..christian worship God in the form of a man (god's creation), budisim worship buda, hindusim worship elephent and cows. only Islam worship one God which none like him. and, he is beyoend our imaginations (True, Allmighty God)..
sorany1 4 years ago
the only way to acheive salvation is Islam..
sorany1 4 years ago
Then why didn't God make 100% sure that no one could be in any doubt? Or doesn't he mind billions of people burning eternally in Hell - because they failed to be convinced by Islam?
hassanradwan 4 years ago
God has made it very clear for evweryone..but if people dont be ignorent then they will read and investigate, and when u see the truth they should accept it no matter where is coming from. all the scientist has cofirmed that whatever has mentioned in the Quran is true and science agree with it, yet people become so ignorent that they reject it because it is not in their own intrest..so God does not want people burn in hell people thmeselves want to be burn in hell..
sorany1 4 years ago
most interesting.
acerb45666555 4 years ago
Allay baarik feek bro.
Excellent video.
You shamed those athiests :D.
salams
Abzville 4 years ago
Dude...i didnt get it..didnt understand all of those things..loool
zeeker6 4 years ago
Jesus Christ is the only way
2FMradioInIreland 4 years ago
The religon of God is the only way.
and every prophet till the last prophet revealed to us the religon of God
mshahrozhussain 4 years ago
Jesus said "I am the light, i am the way". Religion has caused hate throught the world over peole stuck in there ways millions of people have been killed over religion! Jesus is the answer and the way.
2FMradioInIreland 4 years ago
all the prophets were the ways to God
the only ways for their peoples
peace
SkeletonFroster 4 years ago
Peace is very important
2FMradioInIreland 4 years ago
JesusPlusnothing(.)com
There is no book that has predicted the future with 100% accuracy.
The Bible, the most published book in human history, and the only book translated into 3,000 different languages.
Verlch 4 years ago
Amen!!
adams1619 4 years ago
Jesus said "I am the light, i am the way". Religion has caused hate throught the world over peole stuck in there ways millions of people have been killed over religion! Jesus is the answer and the way.
adams1619 4 years ago
Um, there have been 200 million who have died in secular wars, Stalin killed millions, Hitler killed Millions, the Chinese killed millions and we kill millions via abortion.
Verlch 4 years ago
Amen
2FMradioInIreland 4 years ago