So, this makes null void that the Alexandrian Manuscripts are corrupted by Roman Devils which is used in all the other modern versions. The Textus Receptus is truer and it is the one used in the KJB so that should settle it. You are diverting from where Gods preserved Word is to be found just because you are biased against foolish men.
@TruthInChrist zUm - the textus receipts is a mix and mingled collection of manuscripts from that time and Latin manuscripts were also advised... its not like its a pure manuscript simply passed down. You have no idea which is truer - or how little it truly matters. If one is led by the Holy Spirit - the translation matters little - because the Spirit does the teaching.
While its true that there are errors in the KJV it is also true that there are far more errors in bible versions based on the Alexandrian/Vaticanus texts. NIV,RSV,LT, and so on.
The KJV and NKJV errors are simply single word errors made in "good faith." While the other versions have errors where entire versus are left out ! For example , in the NIV read Mark 15.28. - You cant ! The entire verse has been left out !
@MrMaxTruth I agree with you completely until you say verses have been left out... only because its more complicated than that... because it wasn't like the translators chose to exclude certain verses - its that the manuscripts used in the translation didn't contain the verses. We could debate which manuscripts are more accurate, but I am not schooled enough in the manuscripts to really know - so I actually use multiple translations as a result, because all sides of the argument are compelling.
@christoferL Good point. Which of the two texts are more reliable ? The KJV taken from the Greek "Textus Receptus " or the NIV and its various associates taken from the "Alexandrian texts" and compiled into the Vaticanus text. As far as i understand it although the Alexandrian texts are older they originated from Egypt where Gnosticism was prevalent and taught by heretical christians. The Greek texts on the other hand were copies of the original texts written by the Apostles.
@MrMaxTruth If only it were that simple. I'd suggest checking out the History of the Textus Receptus (actually used for the KJV) for yourself. If you have and you've come to the conclusion you have - all I can truly say is I certainly disagree with your conclusion. Things aren't as clear as you state them to be... particularly concerning the manuscripts used for the KJV.
Good lessons — but I wonder to hear you often mispronounce "Tyndale" as "Tynsdale" ... And again yo hear you always mispronounce "Erasmus" as "Aramis."
@KateGladstone My friend, one area I always stumble is pronunciation of names and words. It is a horrible curse/blessing as I always pronounce things the way I initially 'read' them. Keeps me humble because it happens all the time no matter how I try to avoid it. The book of Job (jobe) always comes out as the book of JOB... lol... I drive my wife insane as she has to translate many times for me as I talk to friends. Pray for me... I need it! :)
The Jewish passover was held in mid April (the fourteenth). The ancient pagan festival of Astarte, aka Ishtar, has always been held late in the month of April. The key to all of this is v3-(Then were the days of unleavened bread). Numbers 28:16-18 expains Passover and the feast of unleavened bread. Peter was arrested during the feast of unleavened bread, so obviously pagan herod was referring to the pagan holyday Easter. Passover had already passed before Peter was arrested. Easy as pie. NEXT!
@filoIII uh-huh - thats why the Greek states pasech - FOR PASSOVER (as in the entire week of Passover - as the Jews STILL celebrate it) - but I know - the KJV is so blessed it can actually correct the Greek - right? The bottom line is the KJV CHANGES what was written. Incidentally - there is ZERO evidence that Herod celebrated anything but Jewish holidays (though his celebration was most certainly secular like many today celebrate Christmas without a true connection to Christ)... next... lol
The Book of Daniel was scripture before Daniel wrote the book:
But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince. Daniel 10:21
And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia. Daniel 11:2
@Paul2peter315 You're applying the wrong scriptures to the wrong situation, but in the end - if you are a Bible reader - Im happy... the rest is up to God...
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
@christoferL To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
Every man in every generation had all the words which the Lord spake from the beginning:
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Matthew 4:4
Theophilus and Adam had a copy of the book of Luke before Luke wrote the book of Luke. Adam knew that a man named Luke would write the book and when he did, the scripture would be fulfilled; Luke 1 lines 1-4:
Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, Luke 1:1
Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; Luke 1:2
And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you. Genesis 40:8
And Joseph spake the scriptures to give the interpretation:
And Joseph said unto him, This is the interpretation of it: The three branches are three days: Genesis 40:12
If the new testament was translated from the so call (original) Greek, and it was not; the word Apollyon in Revelation 9 line 11 would have translated.
Interpretations belong to God and they are all written in the book of the Lord; line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little. We must rightly divide the word of truth and find the mate line which will give the meaning of the line in question.
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
And Paul spake in the Hebrew tongue as it is written:
But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people. Acts 21:39
And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue, saying, Acts 21:40
And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. Revelation 9:11
And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said, Canst thou speak Greek? Acts 21:37
There is not one scripture line which will prove the New Testament was written in Greek. On the contrary, the book, all 66 books were declared by the Lord Jesus from the beginning; in one pure language made of pure words; and the advantage of the Jew is that unto them were committed the oracles of God in the true Hebrew tongue. Jesus declared, pronounced, wrote and preserved all the thoughts of the Lord in a book so that all who cry after knowledge will find it. The question is: what is it?
@Paul2peter315 "There is not one scripture line which will prove the New Testament was written in Greek." except for the fact that all the New Testament was written in Greek...
@christoferL There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Proverbs 16:25
They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine. Isaiah 29:24
Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin: Isaiah 30:1
@christoferL To whom shall I speak, and give warning, that they may hear? behold, their ear is uncircumcised, and they cannot hearken: behold, the word of the LORD is unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it. Jeremiah 6:10
@christoferL Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit. Jeremiah 7:8
And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man's word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God. Jeremiah 23:36
Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin: Isaiah 30:1
Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
@Paul2peter315 This doesn't prove it should be 'Easter' in Acts - it proves you're desperately trying to defend a translation which CHANGED a word from the manuscripts to suit an early English society.
And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Acts 26:14
Romans 3:1-3: What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
@Paul2peter315 We have always had Greek manuscripts and there is no evidence to support a Hebrew New Testament short of the claims of men who don't understand the true language of God.
The Lord spoke to Saul in the Hebrew tongue and when Paul spake to the people in the Hebrew tongue they gave him ear. The pure language made of pure words were declared by the Lord from the beginning and since it is called Hebrew in the book of Acts, this pure language must be Hebrew. Consider Isaiah 46:9,10; Genesis 11:1; Psalm 33:11; Proverbs 22:20,21; Hosea 8:12; Deut4:2; Rev 22:18,19; Matt 5:18; Rom3:1,2; Act26:14; Psa89:34.Which book is it?
One thing must be agreed. the word cannot be Passover because the days of unleavend bread were being observed. For the Feast of Unleavened Bread to be observed, Passover must have already have happened. Therefore any book with the word Passover in line 4 of Acts 12 must be corruptible and perverse.
@Paul2peter315 Actually - I have covered the Passover issue - and the word IS Passover for a number of reasons: 1) There is ZERO evidence that Herod worshipped Ishtar or celebrated 'Easter' - in fact the evidence says he celebrated Jewish holidays - albeit a celebration of appearance and not heart 2) The Jews referred to the entire week as passover - not just the day... any book that changes the original Greek - that changes those words intentionally - is wrong - ie - the KJV
Passover day is before Unleavened Bread. Acts 12:3 shew days of unleavened bread were being observed; therefore Passover is past.
And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.) Acts 12:3
And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. Acts 12:4
@StevenSaliba If we are to believe the Hebrew scriptures, there can't be a perfect word in English as it can only be perfect in the original language (unchanged).
@christoferL I find it impossible to believe that the written word of God doesn't exist in English. I have heard that over 99% of the Greek manuscripts that we have today support the King James Bible. Don't you think that God created a Bible for the English speaking world?
@StevenSaliba lots of impossible things in this world... but I don't believe its possible to have a perfect translation of anything. Its the nature of linguistics. I think Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit because He knew that as well. He didn't promise a KJV or an NIV or anything of the sort... we are blessed to have scriptures we can refer to - but that doesn't mean its perfect...
@christoferL Jesus Christ read from scripture in the New Testament. Jesus was not reading the original scriptures. They obviously were copies of copies. I still believe that Almighty God can preserve a book into other languages other than Hebrew and Greek.
@StevenSaliba "Jesus was not reading the original scriptures" u are assuming a lot - considering all the translation involved. " They obviously were copies of copies." yeah - um - Jesus IS the Word... it didn't get more original... God CAN do whatever He wishes - like how He sent us the Holy Spirit... and did not promise to send us a 'Bible' -
@christoferL The Father sent the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost and he will comfort. Jesus did the comforting and Jesus sent himself:
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26
Jesus said:
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. John 14:18
@christoferL The Father sent the Comforter. The Father is Jesus. Jesus sent the Comforter. Jesus sent himself:
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; John 14:16
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. John 16:7
@christoferL Psalms 12:6,7: The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Proverbs 22:20,21: Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge, That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?
that bit on 1john 5:7 is not true i read it quoted by 3 century church father(but cant rember which one but what your saying about kjv-onlyisim is true they are a drag thats all the bang on about and never talk about the lord
that bit on 1john 5:7 is not true i read it quoted by 3 century church father(but cant rember which one but what your saying about kjv-onlyisim is true they are a drag that all the bang on about and never talk about the lord
The pagan festival of Astarte (Ishtar) has always been held late in the month of April. The key is in v3- the days of unleavened bread. Num 28:16-17 And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD. And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten. Exodus 12:13-18, Deuteronomy 16:1-8, II Chronicles 8:13, II Chronicles 30:l5,21 When the passover was kept, it always preceded the feast of unleavened bread. KJV is right again.
I hate the KJVO heresy and it will be a long time before the damage they have done can be healed or undone. They spread mostly lies among very few things they get right. They have laid the foundation for what may one day be a cult/denomination if Ruckmanism does one day die off which I would be greatly pleased if it did. KJVO speak only lies and tell very few truths yet people like my self at one time or another have been fooled. I hate their vile lies with a passion!
There are 3 translations I read the KJV, NKJV, and NASB, but I really love the KJV....as a matter of fact one of my pastors is giving me a new NKJV sunday since I gave mine away to a friend in need
You make some good points. Of course, even if the KJV were perfect when it was first published, how could it still be now? The English language has changed. Now granted, some translations are better than others (and I maintain that the New Living is NOT a translation, and the NIV DOES leave much to be desired, that's why I prefer the English Standard), but are they all really satanic?
I have always wondered if wearing your baseball cap backwards gives you more authority--NOW I KNOW. Muslims just love all these "bibles" all saying different things and 'christians' fighting about it. We make the Koran look good! Muslims used to have more respect for christians when ONE Bible (KJV) was upheld. But we just keep chucking out new and more perverted translations dishonoring CHRIST the WORD OF GOD.
Every new translation must change their scripture text at least 10% or be in violation of copyright infringement. I wouldn't trust any translation that is copyrighted. The KJV is not copyrighted and is part of the public domain. LET GOD BE TRUE and every man a liar. I have heard this argument many times before and is clearly far from being conclusive--you need to study more.
@crazeenate did you ever stop and think that the reason why the KJV isn't copyrighted is because it was created 400 years ago? Did you ever stop and think that perhaps if it had been done today, that it would have been copyrighted? Did you ever stop and think that maybe 400 years from now(assuming the 2nd coming doesn't happen first), that NIV and the others will no longer be copyrighted?
@crazeenate Did you ever stop and think that the KJV, having no copyright, is one of the reasons why their are slight differences between KJV Bibles from different publishers?
@warblerab The KJV is still copyrighted in UK, the copyright is held by the Crown of the United Kingdom, and anyone who wants to print it in the UK has to get permission first. The only reason that it is public domain in all other countries is because the copyright has expired, not because it never was.
@warblerab Anyone can find that out just by reading the wikipedia page on the King James Bible, wiki/Authorized_King_James_Version#Copyright_status, which is more than the King James Only believers will do, because their beliefs are based on blind faith, not empirical evidence.
The 1599 Geneva Bible was before the 1611 KJV and had it right all along. Though I respect the fact you wan to defend the faith, you seem to speak with lots of enthusiasm and conviction before getting all the facts. I agree with you on some things. My preferred versions are the Geneva and the ESV. Please, investigate all the facts so that you will be a faithful defender of the truth. It's better to be well informed than opinionated.
I looked into this, and went on several Hebrew translation websites. I checked the Hebrew letters against my alphabet table, and although one site rendered "Peh," in its transliteration, I noted that a letter had been changed from what was in the actual text. Pim is definitely what is there, and not "Peh." I think the Pim argument is a good one. Until someone comes up with something that can show me otherwise, the KJV is not perfect in my opinion.
I hope that this is not considered an attack, but it is not conclusive that Easter derives from Ashtarte, as Old German "East" meant "to rise." My chief concern about new translations is that they do not contain 1 John 5:7, or the "Johannine Comma." From the data available, it appears that early evidence for the Comma exists from 200 AD, Tertullian; 250 AD, Cyprian; 350 AD, Clarus; 350 AD, Athanasius; 380 AD Priscillian; 390 AD, Augustine; 490 AD, Vigilius Tapensis; and 600 AD Fulgentius.
Erasmus dedicated his work to Leo X as you say. Another thing that is not brought up is that it was Leo X that excummunicated Luther and spent much of his time fighting Protestantism.
I disagree with that last statement. Read any bible? No, example the tniv book is a PC police version. Altered for alternative lifestyles. And when the bible translators are either gay, bisexual(gay), or gay friendly(perverted) and then take their personal beliefs and alter(corrupt) the scripture, is it still the word of God? NO! Personally I wouldn't trust any translation after 1990 without first checking WHO and for what reason they translated the book.
@onemarktwoyou From the NIV: "Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor MEN WHO HAVE SEX WITH MEN 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." Homosexuality is clearly a sin. Also, did you know that King James I was gay? Look that up. Personally I like the KJV and the ESV much better than the NIV, but the NIV is hardly satanic and it does condemn homosexuality.
The TNIV and NIV are both being replaced by the 2011 niv. Personally I am sick of watered down Christianity.
I thought up to 3 months ago that King James was gay as well. He was not. He was odd, and speech back then also different. He loved and lived with his wife, which was unusual for monarchs of that day. He wrote his wife love letters for their whole marriage. He mourned her death for years. I checked into this and found it a Vatican source that started this concept.
@onemarktwoyou Ever hear of Robert Carr (Viscount Rochester) and George Villiers (Duke of Buckingham), both of whom had sexual relationships with James I. I've never seen any documentation on a Vatican plot inventing the idea James was a homosexual. Have you?
James was not gay. All this has came around trying to discredit the 1611KJV. And the authors who promote this are gay. I checked into this after I made a comment about him being gay and I was challenged. That is how I learned he wasn't gay.
@onemarktwoyou Well, let's just say there's plenty of historical evidence that James had a strong taste for the company of handsome young men, as well as a affectionate relationship with his wife. I hope we can agree that fact neither proves nor disproves any KJVO argument - KJV-Onlyism can be easily disproved by a great number of methods (see video above). My point was that information about King James' sexuality has nothing to do with any 'Vatican conspiracy'.
The King James Version is not inspired, but most people who believe that the modern versions have satan in them do NOT believe that! We believe that (unfortunately) it is the only version that didn't use manuscripts CORRUPTED by those viscious unsaved devil worshippers Wescott and Hort. The english of the King James is not inspired but the original language manuscripts used by the modern versions were POISONED by those two Satans- wescott and Hort!
"ah ha. glad you brought this up. This is another reason these pagans are lying about the Bibles. To cast out certain demons it takes prayer AND FASTING. with Just Prayer won't work."
Sometimes, even prayer AND fasting is not enough. They always come back. Always. If only there was a way to keep them out of a house, to turn an habitation into some kind of sanctuary. An anointing with oil and prayer doesn't seem to be enough, so what can possibly keep them out?
@Cutie9326 "Sometimes, even prayer AND fasting is not enough. " I have never found that to be the case... though I am sure faith in Christ is the only real power when combating demonic forces...
"Part III longer story shorter as I'm tired of educating you in simple research a grade school kid could do. It was God's providence which had the Spirit-filled translators of our Bible (King James) to CORRECTLY translate "pascha" as "Easter". It did not refer to the Jewish passover. In fact, to change it to "passover" would confuse even the best of readers and make the truth of the situation unclear."
Okay. But why did they change it to passover? bad translation?
@Cutie9326 You're just another idiotic fool spammer troll. U R repeating gabble's trash. I'm blockong you from sending me any messages. Good riddance.
@robycop3 no you are just a Satanic entity with two legs. Normally I'm not so much in an attack mode but you are on this mode. I would still pray for you but the secular side of me has responded to the unsolicited attacks coming from you. Call it a human weakness or whatever.
@robycop3 "You're just another idiotic fool spammer troll. U R repeating gabble's trash. I'm blockong you from sending me any messages. Good riddance."
Well, go ahead and block me. See if I care. You're doomed if you don't repent. Don't say I didn't warn you.
"The KJV s not not owned by Rupert murdock. Its not copyrighted, and the documents can't copyright what isn't theirs. It hasn't been changed since 1611."
Why is it not copyright again? *Sigh* Stupid memory lapses...
"you are wrong or you are lying, not a third choice. Take your pie hole and suck an egg that you missed when you made your pie. You are the devil spawn personally. The scriptural support peabrain is the fact that the verses are missing....lol. duh. secondly Masons Westcott and Hort controlled the committee in 1875 to 1890's and used the Latin Vulgate, being they are lying Masons is smoking gun enough."
O_O Woah! Someone really got on your nerves and it wasn't me! I feel so special!
"Actually from even before 1611 the Roman Catholic churched MURDERED over 68 million innocent people from 1200 AD to 1800 AD to control and steal their property under the guise of religion."
Albert Pike 3 world wars "LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darknesss! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual or selfish Souls ? Doubt it not! " Albert Pike - Morals & Dogma Coming soon to a theater (of war) near you! peace :)
@haansgruber Satan is clever using these pagans. It just amazes me how lost they are and what is going to happen to them: Matthew 7:23 "King James Bible
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 18:6 "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea." and then Rev 22: 18:19
@Cutie9326 ah ha. glad you brought this up. This is another reason these pagans are lying about the Bibles. To cast out certain demons it takes prayer AND FASTING. with Just Prayer won't work. Case in point. The satanist version, NIV Mark 9:29 only says "by Prayer" not fasting which sets people up for failure and in MT 17:21 the entire verse is gone (NIV, NLT, and ESV) as compared to the KJV.
I have decided to not respond to any more of your mindless trash, gambill. Crown copyrightsdo NOT run out; the KJV is still copyrighted in the UK. Your overall behavior is that of a dope-eating brain-dead jabroney. U refuse to respond to the TRUTH, which is easily verified from other sources. I'm not gonna waste any more time with U. Go play in the traffic with Ur little pee-ant buddies.
@robycop3 I put you down and demonstrated that you lack credibility and in fact a poor researcher. The KJV is not copyrighted. You hypocrite cannot comment on anyone's behavior or are you that stupid. You have no sense to realize that you have been caught and now you make a gracias exit saving face and not facing truth and leaving allowing people to hear you lying.
Seriously, you need to ask yourself, why has the Jesuits and Masons been proven to set up the corrupted versions starting with Wescott and Hort for the modern versions. Actually from even before 1611 the Roman Catholic churched MURDERED over 68 million innocent people from 1200 AD to 1800 AD to control and steal their property under the guise of religion. The Vatican from their First Summus Pontifex (pope) worshipped the Sun God Baal and the entire Catholic doctrine is occultic in disguise
@tgambill You need to understand the Holy Spirit is greater than all the forces of man trying to corrupt the body of Christ which is far smaller than any of us realize... there are two realms - His Word is pure in the Spirit - through the Spirit and by the Spirit... there are obvious perversions that should be avoided... but not all that is modern is evil... GBU
@christoferL All of the modern versions are evil not by accident. It is by planned and careful deceit which is the point. God is not a God of confusion, he stated in Revelation 22: 18-19 not to change the word and the Masons Westcott and Hort and the Evil Vatican carefully changed and omitted key verses by design. Why certain verses, why so many verses removed? They are key verses and one that without the proper words proves LUCIFER is Jesus which is a lie. Isaiah 14:12 changed.
@christoferL yes..and the obvious perversions per IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE are all versions after 1611. Just the fact that Masons Westcott and Hort lead the translations from 1875 on, is smoking gun enough. Masons worship Lucifer and R. Murdock owns copyright to NIV; he also owns copyright to Satans Bible and he owns Fox News and his Pastor if the Word Faith Heretic Rick Warren. big time conflicts of interest all the way around.
@tgambill So who is making money off of the copyright 'free' KJV? Someone is - ever track that one down? Attacking publishers leaves the KJV in an interesting place...
@christoferL The KJV IS copyrighted in the British Commonwealth. The copyright holders are the Universities of Oxford & Cambridge, the Ayers & Spottiswoode Co. & Harper Collins (owned by ruppert Murdoch). Don't believe me? Contact the BRITISH EMBASSY!
@robycop3 The KJV s not not owned by Rupert murdock. Its not copyrighted, and the documents can't copyright what isn't theirs. It hasn't been changed since 1611.
@tgambill What a maroon! (Bugs Bunny) OF COURSE it's been changed since 1611! I own several repro AV1611s & several later KJVs including a Cambridge Edition. Don't believe it? U can purchase a repro AV1611 for about $30 at most walmarts or Bible stores. Just sit & compare. And the KJV IS copyrighted in the British commonwealth, those copyrights being held by those I named earlier. Don't believe it? Just contact the BRITISH EMBASSY.
@robycop3 "Yerp-that's the KJVOs all right, being in thrall to the devil and one of his man-made lies."
YOU FOOL!!! YOU ARE HELL BOUND, YOU SPAWN OF THE DEVIL!!! THE HARPER COLLINS HOLD COPYRIGHT ON SATANIC COUNTEFEITS LIKE THE NIV, MAYBE THE NEW AMERICAN VERSION, BUT NOT THE AUTHORIZED KJV!!! YOU ARE A LIAR, A SPAWB OF THE DEVIL AND YOU WILL BURN IN HELL IF YOU DON'T REPENT!!!
@tgambill Yes, it IS. Harper Collins, owned by Ruppert Murdoch, is one of the four holders of British copyrights on the KJV. Don't believe it? Contact the BRITISH EMBASSY.
@tgambill No, YOU'RE wrong. Harper Collins, owned by Murdoch, holds one of the four British copyrights on the KJV. If ya don't believe it, quit whining & contact the BRITISH EMBASSY.
@tgambill U crazy fool, Harper Collins DOES hold a British Crown copyright on the KJV!!!!!!! Deny all U like; U CANNOT change that TRUTH! Anyone not believing it need only contact the BRITISH EMBASSY.
@christoferL no one is making money off of it since it can be reprinted without asking permission. No royalities.The original crown copyright of 1611 does not forbid anyone today from reprinting the Authorized Version. It was only copyrighted then for the purpose of allowing the printer to finance the publication. For nearly four hundred years now we have been printing millions of copies of KJV's without requesting permission from anyone.
@tgambill Over eight-hundred million copies of the Authorized Version have been printed without anyone paying royalties. This cannot be said of any of the new translations.
@tgambill NO ONE prints/sells ANY book without making money! A publisher doesn't stay in business very long doing that! And SOME part of every KJV edition is copyrighted-concordance, maps, dictionary, etc. And in the British Commonwealth, EVERY copy sold is completely copyrighted.
@tgambill yes, Harper Collins DOES hold a British Crown copyright on the KJV! Again, quit yer windbreaking & contact the BRITISH EMBASSY if ya don't believe it! Or, are ya SCARED to see the TRUTH & wanna just keep whining it aint so?
@robycop3 wrong....they don't hold copyright to the Scriptures but maybe to their pubished book, liar. I can take a KJV and translate it in its raw form and I don't have to contact anyone. However, to sell or peddle a Harper Collins product that has their maps, diagrams etc...that is different. You are a satanist or forbid a lost Jesuit? mason? Zionist Talmudist? or just plain resident of Sagamore Children's Psychiatric Center?
@tgambill Too bad the crack house where U live has a PC. Harper Collins indeed holds a British Crown copyright on the ENTIRE KJV. Again, quit whining they don't cuz U R wrong. Don't believe it? Contact the BRITISH EMBASSY.
@robycop3 I know beyond a doublt that there is no copyright as its impossible. If they fabricated one it would never hold up in a court. You are the child whinning to keep your soul deceived and your spirit bound for Hell.
@tgambill It is NOT impossible, Fool. I DARE ya to contact the British Embassy & ask'em who has British Crown copyrights on the KJV. I'll bet a summa money against Ur stasha crack they'll tellya that the Universities of Oxford & Cambridge, the Ayers & Spottiswoode Co, & Harper Collins all hold British Crown copyrights on the KJV. I contacted them several years ago, O Nutcase, so I know from whence I speak!
@robycop3 You known nothing whence you speak. you fail in the research area badly. Your information is out of date. You have no clue that the Authorized Version has passed out of copyright and is freely reproduced. In the United Kingdom, the British Crown restricts production of the Authorized Version per transitional exemptions from the Copyright Act 1775 (which implemented this clause) in the Copyright, Designs and (Continued)
@tgambill part II; Patents Act 1988 (Schedule 1, section 13(1)), which expire in 2039. Cambridge University Press, Oxford University Press, HarperCollins and the Queen's Printers have the right to produce the Authorized Version." unquote.
DAMN, I SAW THIS DUDE CREEPING AROUND THE HOOD LAST NIGHT, HE WAS CARRYING A PRY BAR, A FLASHLIGHT, AND A JAR OF OLIVES - I DON'T TRUST HIM!
jehovahuponyou 13 hours ago
He acts drunk
Scott44716 1 week ago
So, this makes null void that the Alexandrian Manuscripts are corrupted by Roman Devils which is used in all the other modern versions. The Textus Receptus is truer and it is the one used in the KJB so that should settle it. You are diverting from where Gods preserved Word is to be found just because you are biased against foolish men.
TruthInChrist 1 week ago
@TruthInChrist zUm - the textus receipts is a mix and mingled collection of manuscripts from that time and Latin manuscripts were also advised... its not like its a pure manuscript simply passed down. You have no idea which is truer - or how little it truly matters. If one is led by the Holy Spirit - the translation matters little - because the Spirit does the teaching.
christoferL 1 week ago
BOTTOM LINE
While its true that there are errors in the KJV it is also true that there are far more errors in bible versions based on the Alexandrian/Vaticanus texts. NIV,RSV,LT, and so on.
The KJV and NKJV errors are simply single word errors made in "good faith." While the other versions have errors where entire versus are left out ! For example , in the NIV read Mark 15.28. - You cant ! The entire verse has been left out !
MrMaxTruth 3 weeks ago
@MrMaxTruth I agree with you completely until you say verses have been left out... only because its more complicated than that... because it wasn't like the translators chose to exclude certain verses - its that the manuscripts used in the translation didn't contain the verses. We could debate which manuscripts are more accurate, but I am not schooled enough in the manuscripts to really know - so I actually use multiple translations as a result, because all sides of the argument are compelling.
christoferL 3 weeks ago
@christoferL Good point. Which of the two texts are more reliable ? The KJV taken from the Greek "Textus Receptus " or the NIV and its various associates taken from the "Alexandrian texts" and compiled into the Vaticanus text. As far as i understand it although the Alexandrian texts are older they originated from Egypt where Gnosticism was prevalent and taught by heretical christians. The Greek texts on the other hand were copies of the original texts written by the Apostles.
MrMaxTruth 3 weeks ago
@MrMaxTruth If only it were that simple. I'd suggest checking out the History of the Textus Receptus (actually used for the KJV) for yourself. If you have and you've come to the conclusion you have - all I can truly say is I certainly disagree with your conclusion. Things aren't as clear as you state them to be... particularly concerning the manuscripts used for the KJV.
christoferL 2 weeks ago
Good lessons — but I wonder to hear you often mispronounce "Tyndale" as "Tynsdale" ... And again yo hear you always mispronounce "Erasmus" as "Aramis."
KateGladstone 1 month ago
@KateGladstone My friend, one area I always stumble is pronunciation of names and words. It is a horrible curse/blessing as I always pronounce things the way I initially 'read' them. Keeps me humble because it happens all the time no matter how I try to avoid it. The book of Job (jobe) always comes out as the book of JOB... lol... I drive my wife insane as she has to translate many times for me as I talk to friends. Pray for me... I need it! :)
christoferL 1 month ago
The Jewish passover was held in mid April (the fourteenth). The ancient pagan festival of Astarte, aka Ishtar, has always been held late in the month of April. The key to all of this is v3-(Then were the days of unleavened bread). Numbers 28:16-18 expains Passover and the feast of unleavened bread. Peter was arrested during the feast of unleavened bread, so obviously pagan herod was referring to the pagan holyday Easter. Passover had already passed before Peter was arrested. Easy as pie. NEXT!
filoIII 2 months ago
@filoIII uh-huh - thats why the Greek states pasech - FOR PASSOVER (as in the entire week of Passover - as the Jews STILL celebrate it) - but I know - the KJV is so blessed it can actually correct the Greek - right? The bottom line is the KJV CHANGES what was written. Incidentally - there is ZERO evidence that Herod celebrated anything but Jewish holidays (though his celebration was most certainly secular like many today celebrate Christmas without a true connection to Christ)... next... lol
christoferL 3 weeks ago
@christoferL Which greek, Professor? You do know all the greek dictionaries, interliners, and lexicons disagree w/ each other, right, Professor?
filoIII 3 weeks ago
@filoIII as far as I know - there is not ONE MANUSCRIPT that disagrees with the word pasech INCLUDING the 'Received Text' the KJV used... sir.
christoferL 3 weeks ago
The Book of Daniel was scripture before Daniel wrote the book:
But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince. Daniel 10:21
And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia. Daniel 11:2
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
@Paul2peter315 You're applying the wrong scriptures to the wrong situation, but in the end - if you are a Bible reader - Im happy... the rest is up to God...
christoferL 3 months ago
@christoferL Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
@christoferL Isaiah 28:9-13
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
@christoferL To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
Luke 1:3,4:
It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
Every man in every generation had all the words which the Lord spake from the beginning:
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Matthew 4:4
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
Theophilus and Adam had a copy of the book of Luke before Luke wrote the book of Luke. Adam knew that a man named Luke would write the book and when he did, the scripture would be fulfilled; Luke 1 lines 1-4:
Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, Luke 1:1
Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; Luke 1:2
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
Paul said it on this wise:
Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe. Philippians 3:1
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you. Genesis 40:8
And Joseph spake the scriptures to give the interpretation:
And Joseph said unto him, This is the interpretation of it: The three branches are three days: Genesis 40:12
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
If the new testament was translated from the so call (original) Greek, and it was not; the word Apollyon in Revelation 9 line 11 would have translated.
Interpretations belong to God and they are all written in the book of the Lord; line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little. We must rightly divide the word of truth and find the mate line which will give the meaning of the line in question.
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
@Paul2peter315 sounds like you have some serious issues...
christoferL 3 months ago
@christoferL 1 Corinthians 1:27,28
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
And Paul spake in the Hebrew tongue as it is written:
But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people. Acts 21:39
And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue, saying, Acts 21:40
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. Revelation 9:11
And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said, Canst thou speak Greek? Acts 21:37
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
There is not one scripture line which will prove the New Testament was written in Greek. On the contrary, the book, all 66 books were declared by the Lord Jesus from the beginning; in one pure language made of pure words; and the advantage of the Jew is that unto them were committed the oracles of God in the true Hebrew tongue. Jesus declared, pronounced, wrote and preserved all the thoughts of the Lord in a book so that all who cry after knowledge will find it. The question is: what is it?
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
@Paul2peter315 "There is not one scripture line which will prove the New Testament was written in Greek." except for the fact that all the New Testament was written in Greek...
christoferL 3 months ago
@christoferL There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Proverbs 16:25
They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine. Isaiah 29:24
Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin: Isaiah 30:1
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
@christoferL To whom shall I speak, and give warning, that they may hear? behold, their ear is uncircumcised, and they cannot hearken: behold, the word of the LORD is unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it. Jeremiah 6:10
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
@christoferL Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit. Jeremiah 7:8
And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man's word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God. Jeremiah 23:36
Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin: Isaiah 30:1
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
Easter it is:
Ezekiel 8:17
Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
@Paul2peter315 This doesn't prove it should be 'Easter' in Acts - it proves you're desperately trying to defend a translation which CHANGED a word from the manuscripts to suit an early English society.
christoferL 3 months ago
@christoferL How forcible are right words! but what doth your arguing reprove? Job 6:25
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Acts 26:14
Romans 3:1-3: What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
The New Testament was not written in Greek.
Nevertheless what saith the scripture?
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
@Paul2peter315 We have always had Greek manuscripts and there is no evidence to support a Hebrew New Testament short of the claims of men who don't understand the true language of God.
christoferL 3 months ago
How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain. Jeremiah 8:8
The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them? Jeremiah 8:9
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
The Greek is not the language of the New Store.
The Lord spoke to Saul in the Hebrew tongue and when Paul spake to the people in the Hebrew tongue they gave him ear. The pure language made of pure words were declared by the Lord from the beginning and since it is called Hebrew in the book of Acts, this pure language must be Hebrew. Consider Isaiah 46:9,10; Genesis 11:1; Psalm 33:11; Proverbs 22:20,21; Hosea 8:12; Deut4:2; Rev 22:18,19; Matt 5:18; Rom3:1,2; Act26:14; Psa89:34.Which book is it?
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
@Paul2peter315 Whether you like it or not the New Testament was written in Greek -that makes your statement invalid.
christoferL 3 months ago
@christoferL Job 15:2,3,5,6: Should a wise man utter vain knowledge, and fill his belly with the east wind?
Should he reason with unprofitable talk? or with speeches wherewith he can do no good?
For thy mouth uttereth thine iniquity, and thou choosest the tongue of the crafty.
Thine own mouth condemneth thee, and not I: yea, thine own lips testify against thee.
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
One thing must be agreed. the word cannot be Passover because the days of unleavend bread were being observed. For the Feast of Unleavened Bread to be observed, Passover must have already have happened. Therefore any book with the word Passover in line 4 of Acts 12 must be corruptible and perverse.
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
@Paul2peter315 Actually - I have covered the Passover issue - and the word IS Passover for a number of reasons: 1) There is ZERO evidence that Herod worshipped Ishtar or celebrated 'Easter' - in fact the evidence says he celebrated Jewish holidays - albeit a celebration of appearance and not heart 2) The Jews referred to the entire week as passover - not just the day... any book that changes the original Greek - that changes those words intentionally - is wrong - ie - the KJV
christoferL 3 months ago
CORRECTION! The true word is Easter not Passover.
Passover day is before Unleavened Bread. Acts 12:3 shew days of unleavened bread were being observed; therefore Passover is past.
And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.) Acts 12:3
And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. Acts 12:4
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
What is God's perfect written word in English?
StevenSaliba 4 months ago
@StevenSaliba If we are to believe the Hebrew scriptures, there can't be a perfect word in English as it can only be perfect in the original language (unchanged).
christoferL 4 months ago
@christoferL I find it impossible to believe that the written word of God doesn't exist in English. I have heard that over 99% of the Greek manuscripts that we have today support the King James Bible. Don't you think that God created a Bible for the English speaking world?
StevenSaliba 4 months ago
@StevenSaliba lots of impossible things in this world... but I don't believe its possible to have a perfect translation of anything. Its the nature of linguistics. I think Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit because He knew that as well. He didn't promise a KJV or an NIV or anything of the sort... we are blessed to have scriptures we can refer to - but that doesn't mean its perfect...
christoferL 4 months ago
@christoferL Jesus Christ read from scripture in the New Testament. Jesus was not reading the original scriptures. They obviously were copies of copies. I still believe that Almighty God can preserve a book into other languages other than Hebrew and Greek.
StevenSaliba 4 months ago
@StevenSaliba "Jesus was not reading the original scriptures" u are assuming a lot - considering all the translation involved. " They obviously were copies of copies." yeah - um - Jesus IS the Word... it didn't get more original... God CAN do whatever He wishes - like how He sent us the Holy Spirit... and did not promise to send us a 'Bible' -
christoferL 4 months ago
@christoferL The Father sent the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost and he will comfort. Jesus did the comforting and Jesus sent himself:
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26
Jesus said:
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. John 14:18
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
@christoferL The Father sent the Comforter. The Father is Jesus. Jesus sent the Comforter. Jesus sent himself:
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; John 14:16
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. John 16:7
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
@christoferL Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour. Isaiah 45:15
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
@christoferL Psalms 12:6,7: The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Proverbs 22:20,21: Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge, That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?
Paul2peter315 3 months ago
@StevenSaliba LOVE
christoferL 3 months ago
that bit on 1john 5:7 is not true i read it quoted by 3 century church father(but cant rember which one but what your saying about kjv-onlyisim is true they are a drag thats all the bang on about and never talk about the lord
njh007 4 months ago
that bit on 1john 5:7 is not true i read it quoted by 3 century church father(but cant rember which one but what your saying about kjv-onlyisim is true they are a drag that all the bang on about and never talk about the lord
njh007 4 months ago
The pagan festival of Astarte (Ishtar) has always been held late in the month of April. The key is in v3- the days of unleavened bread. Num 28:16-17 And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD. And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten. Exodus 12:13-18, Deuteronomy 16:1-8, II Chronicles 8:13, II Chronicles 30:l5,21 When the passover was kept, it always preceded the feast of unleavened bread. KJV is right again.
filoIII 5 months ago
@filoIII hmmm - translating a word as something completely different than what was written is 'right'? - no wonder this world is so messed up!
christoferL 4 months ago
Pray and ask God what version to read.
JonathanHoweSpencer 6 months ago
the reason that it doesn't go away is becasue God is trying to tell you something
JonathanHoweSpencer 6 months ago
@JonathanHoweSpencer You shouldn't blame God for something mounted by the pride of men.
christoferL 6 months ago
I hate the KJVO heresy and it will be a long time before the damage they have done can be healed or undone. They spread mostly lies among very few things they get right. They have laid the foundation for what may one day be a cult/denomination if Ruckmanism does one day die off which I would be greatly pleased if it did. KJVO speak only lies and tell very few truths yet people like my self at one time or another have been fooled. I hate their vile lies with a passion!
They only make bad fruit!
MrKillswitch88 6 months ago
You pronounced it perfectly.
Shirotora1979 7 months ago
Alexandrian Pervert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
skip8619 8 months ago
@skip8619 I forgive ya skip
christoferL 8 months ago
There are 3 translations I read the KJV, NKJV, and NASB, but I really love the KJV....as a matter of fact one of my pastors is giving me a new NKJV sunday since I gave mine away to a friend in need
crazeenate 8 months ago
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ElShadaiLives 9 months ago
You make some good points. Of course, even if the KJV were perfect when it was first published, how could it still be now? The English language has changed. Now granted, some translations are better than others (and I maintain that the New Living is NOT a translation, and the NIV DOES leave much to be desired, that's why I prefer the English Standard), but are they all really satanic?
MindRenewal 10 months ago
I have always wondered if wearing your baseball cap backwards gives you more authority--NOW I KNOW. Muslims just love all these "bibles" all saying different things and 'christians' fighting about it. We make the Koran look good! Muslims used to have more respect for christians when ONE Bible (KJV) was upheld. But we just keep chucking out new and more perverted translations dishonoring CHRIST the WORD OF GOD.
locustweed 10 months ago
Every new translation must change their scripture text at least 10% or be in violation of copyright infringement. I wouldn't trust any translation that is copyrighted. The KJV is not copyrighted and is part of the public domain. LET GOD BE TRUE and every man a liar. I have heard this argument many times before and is clearly far from being conclusive--you need to study more.
locustweed 10 months ago
@locustweed a friend that is kjv only pointed that out to me and thought it was a little wierd, KJV ain't copyrighted but the rest are...hhmmmmm
crazeenate 8 months ago
@crazeenate did you ever stop and think that the reason why the KJV isn't copyrighted is because it was created 400 years ago? Did you ever stop and think that perhaps if it had been done today, that it would have been copyrighted? Did you ever stop and think that maybe 400 years from now(assuming the 2nd coming doesn't happen first), that NIV and the others will no longer be copyrighted?
warblerab 8 months ago
@warblerab True back then there wasn't a copyright and now there is
crazeenate 8 months ago
@crazeenate Did you ever stop and think that the KJV, having no copyright, is one of the reasons why their are slight differences between KJV Bibles from different publishers?
warblerab 8 months ago
@warblerab That's true. I'm not a KJV onliest but yes i've done moreresearch on the matter and you are right
crazeenate 8 months ago
@crazeenate my mistake then, I thought you were a KJV onliest.
warblerab 8 months ago
@warblerab You're cool bro
crazeenate 8 months ago
@warblerab The KJV is still copyrighted in UK, the copyright is held by the Crown of the United Kingdom, and anyone who wants to print it in the UK has to get permission first. The only reason that it is public domain in all other countries is because the copyright has expired, not because it never was.
skip8619 8 months ago
@skip8619 hmm, I did not know that. So much for the attacks against the other versions just because they are copyrighted and the KJV isn't.
warblerab 8 months ago
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@warblerab Anyone can find that out just by reading the wikipedia page on the King James Bible, wiki/Authorized_King_James_Version#Copyright_status, which is more than the King James Only believers will do, because their beliefs are based on blind faith, not empirical evidence.
skip8619 8 months ago
The 1599 Geneva Bible was before the 1611 KJV and had it right all along. Though I respect the fact you wan to defend the faith, you seem to speak with lots of enthusiasm and conviction before getting all the facts. I agree with you on some things. My preferred versions are the Geneva and the ESV. Please, investigate all the facts so that you will be a faithful defender of the truth. It's better to be well informed than opinionated.
TheRegulator1984 11 months ago
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TheRegulator1984 11 months ago
I looked into this, and went on several Hebrew translation websites. I checked the Hebrew letters against my alphabet table, and although one site rendered "Peh," in its transliteration, I noted that a letter had been changed from what was in the actual text. Pim is definitely what is there, and not "Peh." I think the Pim argument is a good one. Until someone comes up with something that can show me otherwise, the KJV is not perfect in my opinion.
angusmcpherson 11 months ago
I hope that this is not considered an attack, but it is not conclusive that Easter derives from Ashtarte, as Old German "East" meant "to rise." My chief concern about new translations is that they do not contain 1 John 5:7, or the "Johannine Comma." From the data available, it appears that early evidence for the Comma exists from 200 AD, Tertullian; 250 AD, Cyprian; 350 AD, Clarus; 350 AD, Athanasius; 380 AD Priscillian; 390 AD, Augustine; 490 AD, Vigilius Tapensis; and 600 AD Fulgentius.
angusmcpherson 11 months ago
Erasmus dedicated his work to Leo X as you say. Another thing that is not brought up is that it was Leo X that excummunicated Luther and spent much of his time fighting Protestantism.
port2483 11 months ago
I disagree with that last statement. Read any bible? No, example the tniv book is a PC police version. Altered for alternative lifestyles. And when the bible translators are either gay, bisexual(gay), or gay friendly(perverted) and then take their personal beliefs and alter(corrupt) the scripture, is it still the word of God? NO! Personally I wouldn't trust any translation after 1990 without first checking WHO and for what reason they translated the book.
onemarktwoyou 11 months ago
@onemarktwoyou From the NIV: "Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor MEN WHO HAVE SEX WITH MEN 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." Homosexuality is clearly a sin. Also, did you know that King James I was gay? Look that up. Personally I like the KJV and the ESV much better than the NIV, but the NIV is hardly satanic and it does condemn homosexuality.
MindRenewal 10 months ago
@MindRenewal
The TNIV and NIV are both being replaced by the 2011 niv. Personally I am sick of watered down Christianity.
I thought up to 3 months ago that King James was gay as well. He was not. He was odd, and speech back then also different. He loved and lived with his wife, which was unusual for monarchs of that day. He wrote his wife love letters for their whole marriage. He mourned her death for years. I checked into this and found it a Vatican source that started this concept.
onemarktwoyou 10 months ago
@onemarktwoyou Ever hear of Robert Carr (Viscount Rochester) and George Villiers (Duke of Buckingham), both of whom had sexual relationships with James I. I've never seen any documentation on a Vatican plot inventing the idea James was a homosexual. Have you?
curvalecce 9 months ago
@curvalecce
James was not gay. All this has came around trying to discredit the 1611KJV. And the authors who promote this are gay. I checked into this after I made a comment about him being gay and I was challenged. That is how I learned he wasn't gay.
onemarktwoyou 9 months ago
@onemarktwoyou Well, let's just say there's plenty of historical evidence that James had a strong taste for the company of handsome young men, as well as a affectionate relationship with his wife. I hope we can agree that fact neither proves nor disproves any KJVO argument - KJV-Onlyism can be easily disproved by a great number of methods (see video above). My point was that information about King James' sexuality has nothing to do with any 'Vatican conspiracy'.
curvalecce 9 months ago
I bet a lot of "disciples of Christ" have shown you a lot of hate huh?
preachinshawn 1 year ago
Hi What Greek Version are you Using?
Pastor Da vid
cmccaable 1 year ago
The King James Version is not inspired, but most people who believe that the modern versions have satan in them do NOT believe that! We believe that (unfortunately) it is the only version that didn't use manuscripts CORRUPTED by those viscious unsaved devil worshippers Wescott and Hort. The english of the King James is not inspired but the original language manuscripts used by the modern versions were POISONED by those two Satans- wescott and Hort!
barrypatrickius 1 year ago
"ah ha. glad you brought this up. This is another reason these pagans are lying about the Bibles. To cast out certain demons it takes prayer AND FASTING. with Just Prayer won't work."
Sometimes, even prayer AND fasting is not enough. They always come back. Always. If only there was a way to keep them out of a house, to turn an habitation into some kind of sanctuary. An anointing with oil and prayer doesn't seem to be enough, so what can possibly keep them out?
Cutie9326 1 year ago
@Cutie9326 "Sometimes, even prayer AND fasting is not enough. " I have never found that to be the case... though I am sure faith in Christ is the only real power when combating demonic forces...
christoferL 1 year ago
I heard that the schrolls of the dead see proved that the KJV was real. Plzz do not answer if you are a satanist lol
axe414 1 year ago
"It was actually instead of "Copyright" it was "COPYLEFT".....and it departed."
LOL XD
Cutie9326 1 year ago
"Part III longer story shorter as I'm tired of educating you in simple research a grade school kid could do. It was God's providence which had the Spirit-filled translators of our Bible (King James) to CORRECTLY translate "pascha" as "Easter". It did not refer to the Jewish passover. In fact, to change it to "passover" would confuse even the best of readers and make the truth of the situation unclear."
Okay. But why did they change it to passover? bad translation?
Cutie9326 1 year ago
@Cutie9326 the two are different "holidays" Satan is a deceiver and tries to confuse by copying God.
tgambill 1 year ago
@Cutie9326 You're just another idiotic fool spammer troll. U R repeating gabble's trash. I'm blockong you from sending me any messages. Good riddance.
robycop3 1 year ago
@robycop3 no you are just a Satanic entity with two legs. Normally I'm not so much in an attack mode but you are on this mode. I would still pray for you but the secular side of me has responded to the unsolicited attacks coming from you. Call it a human weakness or whatever.
tgambill 1 year ago
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@robycop3 "You're just another idiotic fool spammer troll. U R repeating gabble's trash. I'm blockong you from sending me any messages. Good riddance."
Well, go ahead and block me. See if I care. You're doomed if you don't repent. Don't say I didn't warn you.
Cutie9326 1 year ago
Fruitcake? Why do americans use food as insults??? O_o
Cutie9326 1 year ago
"The KJV s not not owned by Rupert murdock. Its not copyrighted, and the documents can't copyright what isn't theirs. It hasn't been changed since 1611."
Why is it not copyright again? *Sigh* Stupid memory lapses...
Cutie9326 1 year ago
"you are wrong or you are lying, not a third choice. Take your pie hole and suck an egg that you missed when you made your pie. You are the devil spawn personally. The scriptural support peabrain is the fact that the verses are missing....lol. duh. secondly Masons Westcott and Hort controlled the committee in 1875 to 1890's and used the Latin Vulgate, being they are lying Masons is smoking gun enough."
O_O Woah! Someone really got on your nerves and it wasn't me! I feel so special!
Cutie9326 1 year ago
"He is a shill don't waste your time on a biased pea brain. Could be a Mason, cointellpro weenie or CIA weenie."
*Exultant* A Mason??? Where??? Hold him down while I bruise him...
Cutie9326 1 year ago
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Cutie9326 1 year ago
"Actually from even before 1611 the Roman Catholic churched MURDERED over 68 million innocent people from 1200 AD to 1800 AD to control and steal their property under the guise of religion."
They're gonna pay for this...
Cutie9326 1 year ago
haansgruber 1 year ago
@haansgruber Satan is clever using these pagans. It just amazes me how lost they are and what is going to happen to them: Matthew 7:23 "King James Bible
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 18:6 "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea." and then Rev 22: 18:19
tgambill 1 year ago
@tgambill "Satan is clever using these pagans. It just amazes me how lost they are and what is going to happen to them."
They say that we should pray for the repentance of those who are used by the devil, whether we can cast the demons out of them or not...
Cutie9326 1 year ago
@Cutie9326 ah ha. glad you brought this up. This is another reason these pagans are lying about the Bibles. To cast out certain demons it takes prayer AND FASTING. with Just Prayer won't work. Case in point. The satanist version, NIV Mark 9:29 only says "by Prayer" not fasting which sets people up for failure and in MT 17:21 the entire verse is gone (NIV, NLT, and ESV) as compared to the KJV.
tgambill 1 year ago
watch?v=wZBeIr1wKGY
peace :)
haansgruber 1 year ago
he's reading this
peace :)
haansgruber 1 year ago
I have decided to not respond to any more of your mindless trash, gambill. Crown copyrightsdo NOT run out; the KJV is still copyrighted in the UK. Your overall behavior is that of a dope-eating brain-dead jabroney. U refuse to respond to the TRUTH, which is easily verified from other sources. I'm not gonna waste any more time with U. Go play in the traffic with Ur little pee-ant buddies.
robycop3 1 year ago
@robycop3 I put you down and demonstrated that you lack credibility and in fact a poor researcher. The KJV is not copyrighted. You hypocrite cannot comment on anyone's behavior or are you that stupid. You have no sense to realize that you have been caught and now you make a gracias exit saving face and not facing truth and leaving allowing people to hear you lying.
tgambill 1 year ago
@robycop3 It was actually instead of "Copyright" it was "COPYLEFT".....and it departed.
tgambill 1 year ago
Seriously, you need to ask yourself, why has the Jesuits and Masons been proven to set up the corrupted versions starting with Wescott and Hort for the modern versions. Actually from even before 1611 the Roman Catholic churched MURDERED over 68 million innocent people from 1200 AD to 1800 AD to control and steal their property under the guise of religion. The Vatican from their First Summus Pontifex (pope) worshipped the Sun God Baal and the entire Catholic doctrine is occultic in disguise
tgambill 1 year ago
@tgambill You need to understand the Holy Spirit is greater than all the forces of man trying to corrupt the body of Christ which is far smaller than any of us realize... there are two realms - His Word is pure in the Spirit - through the Spirit and by the Spirit... there are obvious perversions that should be avoided... but not all that is modern is evil... GBU
christoferL 1 year ago
@christoferL All of the modern versions are evil not by accident. It is by planned and careful deceit which is the point. God is not a God of confusion, he stated in Revelation 22: 18-19 not to change the word and the Masons Westcott and Hort and the Evil Vatican carefully changed and omitted key verses by design. Why certain verses, why so many verses removed? They are key verses and one that without the proper words proves LUCIFER is Jesus which is a lie. Isaiah 14:12 changed.
tgambill 1 year ago
@christoferL yes..and the obvious perversions per IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE are all versions after 1611. Just the fact that Masons Westcott and Hort lead the translations from 1875 on, is smoking gun enough. Masons worship Lucifer and R. Murdock owns copyright to NIV; he also owns copyright to Satans Bible and he owns Fox News and his Pastor if the Word Faith Heretic Rick Warren. big time conflicts of interest all the way around.
tgambill 1 year ago
@tgambill So who is making money off of the copyright 'free' KJV? Someone is - ever track that one down? Attacking publishers leaves the KJV in an interesting place...
christoferL 1 year ago
@christoferL The KJV IS copyrighted in the British Commonwealth. The copyright holders are the Universities of Oxford & Cambridge, the Ayers & Spottiswoode Co. & Harper Collins (owned by ruppert Murdoch). Don't believe me? Contact the BRITISH EMBASSY!
robycop3 1 year ago
@robycop3 The KJV s not not owned by Rupert murdock. Its not copyrighted, and the documents can't copyright what isn't theirs. It hasn't been changed since 1611.
tgambill 1 year ago
@tgambill What a maroon! (Bugs Bunny) OF COURSE it's been changed since 1611! I own several repro AV1611s & several later KJVs including a Cambridge Edition. Don't believe it? U can purchase a repro AV1611 for about $30 at most walmarts or Bible stores. Just sit & compare. And the KJV IS copyrighted in the British commonwealth, those copyrights being held by those I named earlier. Don't believe it? Just contact the BRITISH EMBASSY.
robycop3 1 year ago
@robycop3 You people would lie or twist the words, truth to your own pagan family....
tgambill 1 year ago
@tgambill No, that's a KJVO trait.
robycop3 1 year ago
@robycop3 lol...hey cop robber or robber cop.....you satanist or Luciferian Masons are all alike.
tgambill 1 year ago
@tgambill Thank GOD we're not like you brain-dead KJVO perverts who brush yer tooth with Prep. H.
robycop3 1 year ago
@robycop3 RObbie cop, Its not about being braindead in your case, its being lost and hell bound.
tgambill 1 year ago
@tgambill Yerp-that's the KJVOs all right, being in thrall to the devil and one of his man-made lies.
robycop3 1 year ago
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@robycop3 "Yerp-that's the KJVOs all right, being in thrall to the devil and one of his man-made lies."
YOU FOOL!!! YOU ARE HELL BOUND, YOU SPAWN OF THE DEVIL!!! THE HARPER COLLINS HOLD COPYRIGHT ON SATANIC COUNTEFEITS LIKE THE NIV, MAYBE THE NEW AMERICAN VERSION, BUT NOT THE AUTHORIZED KJV!!! YOU ARE A LIAR, A SPAWB OF THE DEVIL AND YOU WILL BURN IN HELL IF YOU DON'T REPENT!!!
Cutie9326 1 year ago
@tgambill Well, so are U stupid degenerate dope users.
robycop3 1 year ago
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@robycop3 "Well, so are U stupid degenerate dope users."
SHUT UP AND LEAVE HIM ALONE, YOU (*?&%?&$%$?%$%)!!!!
Cutie9326 1 year ago
@tgambill Yes, it IS. Harper Collins, owned by Ruppert Murdoch, is one of the four holders of British copyrights on the KJV. Don't believe it? Contact the BRITISH EMBASSY.
robycop3 1 year ago
@robycop3 wrong.....ruppert murdock copyrighted the NIV not the KJV. NO copyright robo cop. learn the difference.
tgambill 1 year ago
@tgambill No, YOU'RE wrong. Harper Collins, owned by Murdoch, holds one of the four British copyrights on the KJV. If ya don't believe it, quit whining & contact the BRITISH EMBASSY.
robycop3 1 year ago
@robycop3 you stop lying and repent demon, you are wrong. can't copyright the KJV. Maybe the maps, the drawings but not the scripture. duh.
tgambill 1 year ago
@tgambill Again, Moron, if ya don't believe it, CONTACT THE BRITISH EMBASSY. But then a space cadet like you prolly won't believe them either.
robycop3 1 year ago
@tgambill U crazy fool, Harper Collins DOES hold a British Crown copyright on the KJV!!!!!!! Deny all U like; U CANNOT change that TRUTH! Anyone not believing it need only contact the BRITISH EMBASSY.
robycop3 1 year ago
@robycop3 Harper PTA...lol... does not hold the Copyright to Gods holy word. wrong.
tgambill 1 year ago
@tgambill Harper Collins holds a British Crown copyright to the KJV, plain-n-simple. U CANNOT get by that FACT.
robycop3 1 year ago
@robycop3 Its not a fact, Pagan, the copyright ran out. get used to, homey.
tgambill 1 year ago
@robycop3 Never occured to you, you spawn of satan that the british embassy might be lying?
Cutie9326 1 year ago
@christoferL Copyright by a Satanist???lol surely your mommy raised you not to be stupid. lol
tgambill 1 year ago
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@tgambill "Copyright by a Satanist???lol surely your mommy raised you not to be stupid. lol."
Ignore him. But don't insult his mommy. It's not her fault she gave birth to a moron...
Cutie9326 1 year ago
@christoferL no one is making money off of it since it can be reprinted without asking permission. No royalities.The original crown copyright of 1611 does not forbid anyone today from reprinting the Authorized Version. It was only copyrighted then for the purpose of allowing the printer to finance the publication. For nearly four hundred years now we have been printing millions of copies of KJV's without requesting permission from anyone.
tgambill 1 year ago
@tgambill Over eight-hundred million copies of the Authorized Version have been printed without anyone paying royalties. This cannot be said of any of the new translations.
tgambill 1 year ago
@tgambill NO ONE prints/sells ANY book without making money! A publisher doesn't stay in business very long doing that! And SOME part of every KJV edition is copyrighted-concordance, maps, dictionary, etc. And in the British Commonwealth, EVERY copy sold is completely copyrighted.
robycop3 1 year ago
@robycop3 copyright vs publishing or work or jobs is two different things liar.
tgambill 1 year ago
@tgambill Harper Collins holda a copyright AND prints KJVs, Meat Head.
robycop3 1 year ago
@robycop3 Harper collins doesn't hold a copyright but they print KJVs and so does everyone else without permission, pagan.
tgambill 1 year ago
@tgambill yes, Harper Collins DOES hold a British Crown copyright on the KJV! Again, quit yer windbreaking & contact the BRITISH EMBASSY if ya don't believe it! Or, are ya SCARED to see the TRUTH & wanna just keep whining it aint so?
robycop3 1 year ago
@robycop3 wrong....they don't hold copyright to the Scriptures but maybe to their pubished book, liar. I can take a KJV and translate it in its raw form and I don't have to contact anyone. However, to sell or peddle a Harper Collins product that has their maps, diagrams etc...that is different. You are a satanist or forbid a lost Jesuit? mason? Zionist Talmudist? or just plain resident of Sagamore Children's Psychiatric Center?
tgambill 1 year ago
@tgambill Too bad the crack house where U live has a PC. Harper Collins indeed holds a British Crown copyright on the ENTIRE KJV. Again, quit whining they don't cuz U R wrong. Don't believe it? Contact the BRITISH EMBASSY.
robycop3 1 year ago
@robycop3 I know beyond a doublt that there is no copyright as its impossible. If they fabricated one it would never hold up in a court. You are the child whinning to keep your soul deceived and your spirit bound for Hell.
tgambill 1 year ago
@tgambill It is NOT impossible, Fool. I DARE ya to contact the British Embassy & ask'em who has British Crown copyrights on the KJV. I'll bet a summa money against Ur stasha crack they'll tellya that the Universities of Oxford & Cambridge, the Ayers & Spottiswoode Co, & Harper Collins all hold British Crown copyrights on the KJV. I contacted them several years ago, O Nutcase, so I know from whence I speak!
robycop3 1 year ago
@robycop3 You known nothing whence you speak. you fail in the research area badly. Your information is out of date. You have no clue that the Authorized Version has passed out of copyright and is freely reproduced. In the United Kingdom, the British Crown restricts production of the Authorized Version per transitional exemptions from the Copyright Act 1775 (which implemented this clause) in the Copyright, Designs and (Continued)
tgambill 1 year ago
@tgambill part II; Patents Act 1988 (Schedule 1, section 13(1)), which expire in 2039. Cambridge University Press, Oxford University Press, HarperCollins and the Queen's Printers have the right to produce the Authorized Version." unquote.
tgambill 1 year ago