What are you even talking about? End users? See..you are just angry because you didn't put any effort into the business if you were a part of it. It takes learning and hard work and nobody is being controlled. That is a mindset. We live in America. The people that are exactly like you are the ones who don't do much and have something to say.
I an involved with Team LIFE MonaVie and Network Marketing.. I am doing great in the business.. And by the way Team LIFE and MonaVie isn't controlled by Orrin.. It's controlled by everyone involeved.. And it's not hust Orrin you should be mentioning.. What about Chris and Terri, or Orrin's wife Laurie, or Dallan Larson... Prrins not alone in this.. We are going to a MILLION PEOPLE!!
@WHolyKnight Have you taken time to read the article through the link above? If you read the full article then you might be able to better understand the video that goes with the article. I am not sure what website you are referring, since I am not a member of any direct selling company.
@troydooly There is no article to read..... I Clicked on the link and got a website telling me I need to "Join the Revolution" "$10 Monthly memership to the Advocates" and your video here is posted on it. Not sure what to do next?
@andymey1982 Can you explain a little more? I am not sure what part you disagree with, or if you really read the full article? Since Orrin and others on Team felt it hit the spot, I am somewhat confused as to your meaning.
“Take care, & be on your guard against all covetousness, for one's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.” Lk 12:15 “Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have..." Heb 13:5 "...I have learned in whatever situation I am to be content." Phil 4:11
I'm referring to the teaching I heard from Orrin. He came 1 time to speak to our group and I have heard dozens of his CD's and as a Christian I then had to line everything he was saying to the Bible. He used a lot of Christian terminology but it was always taken out of context. Here is the thing, the Bible talks about not coveting (greed, jealousy...) & to just be content. I have read all that has happened to Orrin and his practices but I can say his teaching is far from being biblical.
@tigerfire74 ROFLOL... What business? Sport, you should do a little research before sticking both feet in your mouth. Your comment is funny because you are so far off base. What do you think the words "Outside Perspective" means? If you want to add value then feel free to comment. If all you want is 15 min of fame, do it elsewhere.
@troydooly 15 minutes of fame...on here!! You give yourself way to much credit Troy! How are you helping anything if your trying to provoke a lawsuit? Tel me, what kind of value have you added with this video? It's called free enterprise for a reason! That's what true Capitalism is all about! "Outside Perspective"? Your video seems pretty personal to me! If your going to bring up Jesus Christ,God said we shouldn't sue each other! That's right out of the Bible! Try reading it sometime!
@tigerfire74 Not sure I understand your thought on provoking a lawsuit. If you read the article and listen you should see that it is not about provoking anything. It's about showing that no one has any grounds for a lawsuit. When people have grounds they file, when they do not, they gripe. Orrin sure thought it was a very balanced review. Maybe you should read the article sport.
Not sure I understand your motive? I was dealing with it o.k. until I heard you mention "If your a follower of Jesus Christ"... then go on to bash Orrin Woodward implying he "wasn't" which I have heard his "A Living Sacrifice" CD and he obviously IS a follower of Christ.so why are you bringing DIVISION to the church under this "good guy" "American Patriot" disguise? Is dividing the church,speaking NOT "words that encourage and edify" ( Ephesians 4:29) what you will be PROUD to face Jesus with?
@JCCGlobal Hey thanks for stopping. Now sure where you get the bashing part. Orrin is a friend, and at no time do I bash him or anyone else involved. Nor did I at any time imply Orrin isn't a follower of Jesus. You might want to listen again, or better yet go read the full post, so you can get the complete context. So, before casting judgment, make sure you have read and understand everything I wrote and said.
@JCCGlobal One last item. Although there is plenty I have done in the past I would not be proud of Jesus to ask about, this is not one of them. This one came after intense prayer and listening for the Holy Spirit's leading. Again, learn the facts before casting judgment.
I appreciate your outside perspective. We've been with team since it was TOD. We've been through a lot. What kept us around was a vision shared by Orrin, Chris and the rest of the leaders. The restoration of the AMERICAN values that were one wide spread in our country. Principles and values that have been overlooked in today's mainstream education, media and public figures.
We are fighting for a cause to make a difference and restore America to her greatness one family at a time! Thanks you!
@jedirich04 Thank you for stopping by and sharing your personal story. There is no doubt TEAM and the leadership there have provided some sound leadership over the years to people, who have taken it and applied what they learned to grow personally and in business. Your story provides some evidence of that in living proof.
they r great peaple and they help peaples lives in every aspect i persanally think u r angry at yourself thus putting it on others if u want to join we r looking for peaple that r ambitious looking teachable and honest have a good day ser
@troydooly You didn't get any answers. What did you reveal that wasn't already known? You're saving your answers until a class action suit is filed? Why? Maybe your answers you claim to have would influence people to do just that. Why wait? The issues will continue until people simply decide not to participate due to the deceit involved.
If you are looking to protect people and ensure a fair deal for all is the outcome, then you failed, because Woodward is a case study in what you oppose.
@hnican What are you wanting revealed? From the blogs I have commented on, it seems the critics already have the answers, they are just afraid to move forward with a class action suit. And for some weird reason, some folks who call themselves Orrin haters on these blogs, are the very ones telling folks not to enter into any type of litigation. So, tell me what you are looking for. My focus was the situation of hurting people, not some attack on Orrin, which was made very clear in the post.
@hnican Most people in direct selling have never heard of Orrin. He was a big deal in Amway, and now in MonaVie. However, Amway is what we call a closed company, so people do not follow those leaders much.
He has gained some recognition in MonaVie, but MonaVie is not part of the DSA and have hurt so many companies, people don't pay much attention there either.
Which is why I did address the issues and situation, not so much one person.
@hnican I did for those who matter. Some of the healing between old friends have already started to take place. They may never do business with each other again, but at least they can beyond the anger and pain, and their families can once again, be friends.
GO TEAMLIFE!!!!!!!!!!! Orrin makes a difference and SO DOES the TEAMLIFE program!
huffdaddypimp 2 weeks ago
What are you even talking about? End users? See..you are just angry because you didn't put any effort into the business if you were a part of it. It takes learning and hard work and nobody is being controlled. That is a mindset. We live in America. The people that are exactly like you are the ones who don't do much and have something to say.
TheGabewwe 3 weeks ago
@tigerfire74 I agree
KatiePitre2502 1 month ago
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KatiePitre2502 1 month ago
I an involved with Team LIFE MonaVie and Network Marketing.. I am doing great in the business.. And by the way Team LIFE and MonaVie isn't controlled by Orrin.. It's controlled by everyone involeved.. And it's not hust Orrin you should be mentioning.. What about Chris and Terri, or Orrin's wife Laurie, or Dallan Larson... Prrins not alone in this.. We are going to a MILLION PEOPLE!!
KatiePitre2502 1 month ago
People if you want something that really works contact me, billheiszteam.mv@gmail.com
mr858n858 1 month ago
i'm still unsure what the point of this video was.....are you advertising for your own website?
WHolyKnight 1 month ago
@WHolyKnight Have you taken time to read the article through the link above? If you read the full article then you might be able to better understand the video that goes with the article. I am not sure what website you are referring, since I am not a member of any direct selling company.
troydooly 1 month ago
@troydooly There is no article to read..... I Clicked on the link and got a website telling me I need to "Join the Revolution" "$10 Monthly memership to the Advocates" and your video here is posted on it. Not sure what to do next?
WHolyKnight 4 weeks ago
Keep blabbing and makeing no point
andymey1982 1 month ago
@andymey1982 Can you explain a little more? I am not sure what part you disagree with, or if you really read the full article? Since Orrin and others on Team felt it hit the spot, I am somewhat confused as to your meaning.
troydooly 1 month ago
@andymey1982 ROFLOL... I can see you did not read the article. :)
troydooly 1 month ago
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“Take care, & be on your guard against all covetousness, for one's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.” Lk 12:15 “Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have..." Heb 13:5 "...I have learned in whatever situation I am to be content." Phil 4:11
MACGARCIAcom 2 months ago
I'm referring to the teaching I heard from Orrin. He came 1 time to speak to our group and I have heard dozens of his CD's and as a Christian I then had to line everything he was saying to the Bible. He used a lot of Christian terminology but it was always taken out of context. Here is the thing, the Bible talks about not coveting (greed, jealousy...) & to just be content. I have read all that has happened to Orrin and his practices but I can say his teaching is far from being biblical.
MACGARCIAcom 1 month ago
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tigerfire74 2 months ago
@tigerfire74 ROFLOL... What business? Sport, you should do a little research before sticking both feet in your mouth. Your comment is funny because you are so far off base. What do you think the words "Outside Perspective" means? If you want to add value then feel free to comment. If all you want is 15 min of fame, do it elsewhere.
troydooly 2 months ago
@troydooly 15 minutes of fame...on here!! You give yourself way to much credit Troy! How are you helping anything if your trying to provoke a lawsuit? Tel me, what kind of value have you added with this video? It's called free enterprise for a reason! That's what true Capitalism is all about! "Outside Perspective"? Your video seems pretty personal to me! If your going to bring up Jesus Christ,God said we shouldn't sue each other! That's right out of the Bible! Try reading it sometime!
tigerfire74 2 months ago
@tigerfire74 Not sure I understand your thought on provoking a lawsuit. If you read the article and listen you should see that it is not about provoking anything. It's about showing that no one has any grounds for a lawsuit. When people have grounds they file, when they do not, they gripe. Orrin sure thought it was a very balanced review. Maybe you should read the article sport.
troydooly 1 month ago
Not sure I understand your motive? I was dealing with it o.k. until I heard you mention "If your a follower of Jesus Christ"... then go on to bash Orrin Woodward implying he "wasn't" which I have heard his "A Living Sacrifice" CD and he obviously IS a follower of Christ.so why are you bringing DIVISION to the church under this "good guy" "American Patriot" disguise? Is dividing the church,speaking NOT "words that encourage and edify" ( Ephesians 4:29) what you will be PROUD to face Jesus with?
JCCGlobal 2 months ago
@JCCGlobal Hey thanks for stopping. Now sure where you get the bashing part. Orrin is a friend, and at no time do I bash him or anyone else involved. Nor did I at any time imply Orrin isn't a follower of Jesus. You might want to listen again, or better yet go read the full post, so you can get the complete context. So, before casting judgment, make sure you have read and understand everything I wrote and said.
Living An Epic Adventure,
Troy
troydooly 2 months ago
@JCCGlobal One last item. Although there is plenty I have done in the past I would not be proud of Jesus to ask about, this is not one of them. This one came after intense prayer and listening for the Holy Spirit's leading. Again, learn the facts before casting judgment.
troydooly 2 months ago
What's the point to be made from this video?? What's the message of this video supposed to be??
jebstuart34 2 months ago
I appreciate your outside perspective. We've been with team since it was TOD. We've been through a lot. What kept us around was a vision shared by Orrin, Chris and the rest of the leaders. The restoration of the AMERICAN values that were one wide spread in our country. Principles and values that have been overlooked in today's mainstream education, media and public figures.
We are fighting for a cause to make a difference and restore America to her greatness one family at a time! Thanks you!
jedirich04 2 months ago
@jedirich04 Thank you for stopping by and sharing your personal story. There is no doubt TEAM and the leadership there have provided some sound leadership over the years to people, who have taken it and applied what they learned to grow personally and in business. Your story provides some evidence of that in living proof.
troydooly 2 months ago
o and we used to sell just the juice but it felt like a job instead of helping others in their every day lifes
craker141 2 months ago
they r great peaple and they help peaples lives in every aspect i persanally think u r angry at yourself thus putting it on others if u want to join we r looking for peaple that r ambitious looking teachable and honest have a good day ser
craker141 2 months ago
u r confused and miss leaded
craker141 2 months ago
Really? Let's summarize:
You criticized those who take issue with the ethical aspect of what Woodward does.
You then vowed to get answers.
You got no answers.
You didn't tell anybody anything that nobody knew.
Sounds like network marketing is totally your thing!
hnican 4 months ago
@hnican Let's re-summarize
I criticized both sides for ethical issues, and challenged folks to file a class action suit.
I did get plenty of answers, and some of those we have published. Others, didn't get published, until we see if anyone will file a class action suit.
I told millions of folks what is happening and to look at their own organizations also, and fix the issues.
Yes, Direct Selling is my thing. The standard must be raised to protect all people and give a fair deal to all.
troydooly 4 months ago
@troydooly You didn't get any answers. What did you reveal that wasn't already known? You're saving your answers until a class action suit is filed? Why? Maybe your answers you claim to have would influence people to do just that. Why wait? The issues will continue until people simply decide not to participate due to the deceit involved.
If you are looking to protect people and ensure a fair deal for all is the outcome, then you failed, because Woodward is a case study in what you oppose.
hnican 4 months ago
@hnican What are you wanting revealed? From the blogs I have commented on, it seems the critics already have the answers, they are just afraid to move forward with a class action suit. And for some weird reason, some folks who call themselves Orrin haters on these blogs, are the very ones telling folks not to enter into any type of litigation. So, tell me what you are looking for. My focus was the situation of hurting people, not some attack on Orrin, which was made very clear in the post.
troydooly 4 months ago
@hnican Most people in direct selling have never heard of Orrin. He was a big deal in Amway, and now in MonaVie. However, Amway is what we call a closed company, so people do not follow those leaders much.
He has gained some recognition in MonaVie, but MonaVie is not part of the DSA and have hurt so many companies, people don't pay much attention there either.
Which is why I did address the issues and situation, not so much one person.
troydooly 4 months ago
dumb. you accomplished nothing
hnican 4 months ago
@hnican I did for those who matter. Some of the healing between old friends have already started to take place. They may never do business with each other again, but at least they can beyond the anger and pain, and their families can once again, be friends.
troydooly 4 months ago