You should point your nose to the ground, fella. Judaism is the oldest motheist religion on Earth. The oldest relligion the, Ha! many other religions were born before Judaism. Greek, Romans, Egyptians... and other thing... when the Homo Sapiens discovered the fire, tehy called it a god. You have no story to tell. The Bible is a man-wrote thing. Even though Jesus existed, this doesn't means anything. I belive in science and I'm atheist. I don't say ither religions bust, cause I don't care.
This is one of the most overt examples of circular reasoning. In arguing that Christianity is the oldest religion, you are presupposing that it is true. You then use its claim as the oldest religion to reaffirm it's veracity.
all your research comes from the bible of course its going too say its the oldest the people who wrote it arnt going too admit too earlyer religions are they because they believe theres is the only true god . thats not proof sorry
Geez, people. You mock the Bible, saying that that's Christian's ONLY proof about Christianity or about any religion their history. THINK AGAIN. If you pick up a freaking HISTORY book or anything from ancient times you would STILL FIND evidence dating back to the BEGINNING OF TIME, or whenever people started to record history, that is. Oh, and if you don't agree or believe then WHY DO YOU WATCH THIS?
THAT'S your evidence that Christianity is the oldest faith? That the Bible says so! That book is contradictory within itself, how can you rely on it for evidence? How do you explain the other religions that existed millenia before Christianty then?!
This is a really poorly framed argument. Maybe we should say that some of the doctrines and beliefs found in Christianity were practiced by many other religions before the Bible was even written.
It appears that you believe in contradiction to the established facts. Thus, you are deluded.
Established fact indicates that humans are not created by God, but rather, they evolved from other primates.
Established fact indicates that God was an invention in the Bible and is derived from the pantheon of gods known as Elohim worshipped in semitic lands about 1400BC (archeaological proof at Urgarit).
Thus, we can say your belief in God makes you a fool - open your eyes.
"casewithscience", Elohim is NOT a "pantheon of gods". You would know that if you studied scripture. Elohim is the plural for the ONE true God. El is the singular form. God is singular AND plural. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit - Three, but One.
Christianity has been around from the beginning. Before Christ, CHRISTianity was Judaism since Christ had not come to earth then. The only reason Judaism is still around is because the majority of Jewish people didn't accept Christ as the promised Messiah. So they worship the same God as Christians, but they are still waiting for Him to come to earth. Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life and no man comes to the Father except through Him.
maybe I guess you can the name "Christianity" started with the birth of Christ, but the religion and the teachers were from the very beginning. I say that because, God is Jesus, and Jesus is God.
christianity actually started with teachings of jesus... that's why they call it christianity. so it's about 2000 years old. before that, there was judaism, although the same laws of god are used. however, moses wrote the torah around 1450 - 1410 B.C, NOT at the time of creation. before 1450 there were already many religions around the world in europe, africa, asia...oh and don't forget the famouse greek, roman, egyptian gods which people believed in wayyyyyyyyyyy before moses was even born.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(2)
"The same was in the beginning with God."
(3)
"All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
(14)
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
I'm really sorry, but I have to ask this, and (please believe me), in all seriousness; Is this parody? Because I found myself wanting to laugh at the ridiculousness of the "logic" (i.e., just because an old book SAYS something does not MAKE it true). But it also seemed sort of serious, and (frankly), too pathetic to laugh at if that were the case. Please excuse my lack of tact in either case, but I just had to ask.
Well, this clip is only understood by Christians, to be honest with you.
A Christian, who already understands that the Bible is authoritative in all things, will actually be open to what the Bible says about origins and history.
A non-Christian will obviously think this is ridiculous because he/she doesn't believe the Bible to begin with.
But, don't feel bad, my sarcastic persona confuses more than just you. Sometimes it works against me.
Right since you're obviously just ignoring all logic please just answer me this. How do you know that the whole of Genisis (and a good few other parts of the bible) aren't just made up? Please someone get back to me.
This question is pretty simple. Christianity is two thousand years old. Judaism is certainly older than that, but Judaism =/= Christianity.
And yes, there are pagan traditions, ideas, and other pagan messiahs who came before Jesus.
So this question is pretty simple, Christianity is two thousand years old, and Christianity IS influenced by pagan religions. See, Christmas and Easter.
Christianity is two thousand years old, it started with Jesus, or with his apostles. Depends on which one you want to attribute with starting Christianity.
Just because the Old Testament says God's word has existed since the beginning doesn't mean Christianity has existed since the beginning of everything. The Old Testament isn't a Christian book, Christianity didn't exist when it was written.
Christianity can only be an offshoot of other faiths if evolution took place.. If evolution happened, then the ideas of Christianity could have happened over time. If Creation took place, then concepts of the Christian God IS the original faith and all others are offshoots. From here we see the importance of the Evolution/Creation argument. The Christmas/ Easter argument is settled in Colossians 2:16.
Wow, I really need to begin reading my Bible more because the verses you pointed out are perfect defenses against Atheists' radical claims that there is no God and that Earth was formed by evolution.
You are correct in saying that Hinduism is the oldest surviving "religion" in the world, but you left out one thing. Christianity has NEVER been a religion, for it is having a personal relationship with God.
God has been since the beginning. Although there was no name for following him that I can think of, that changed when Christ came. Christ and God are the same so, Christianity was the first. back then, did they call them religions? All I am saying is stick to the first, and not the hundreds that came to be.
Praise God! the Bible PROVES it self right in its own pages by verifying its own claims that Christianity is the first and oldest religion! Just like the Bible says. Amazing.
you idiot the bible is not fact and if you think it is then your just as gulable as the kid who believes in santa claus and thinks the word gulable is written on the ceiling ..
Hey wasn't their a real santa claus back in the day? I mean not one that could fly but a real "saint" like him? Im not sure. Either way the santa that kids think of today never fulfilled prophecies or inspired people to write historical books.
I like how you mention Gen 1:5 as being the first day with light and Darkness. Of course you skip the part where God didn't make the Sun until Gen 1:16 on the third day.
Yeah, that makes sence.
I like the 2 Thel. 13 Quote also. God hath from the beginning chosen you to Salvation ... Don't mention that "In The Beginning" Adam and Eve were created perfect with no need for salvation ... Unless a "Omniscient God" knew if he planted that tree in the garden Humanity would fail.
Huh what this is a joke right christianity has been around for 2 thousand years and the torah has only been around for 3 thousand religion has been around for at least 40 thousand years if chrisitanity was the religion from the start my friend why doesnt everyone just believe why is there such diverse religions if you had the one true religion the whole time there would not be any new ones lol nailed it if find that ironic
in order to prove that to some one using your arguments they have to already believe the bible. and im sure that if they are saying Christianity is made up by other religions then.... they don't believe in the bible.
You didn't refute any arguments against Christianity taking from other religions, you basically used the bible to prove the bible is right, please, give us coherent arguments.
God isnt religion. God didnt become man to start a religion here on earth. Religion is a framework of rules to achieve salvation. We cant grab life. It has to be given to us =)
Alas unless you believe the Bible is true and those verses are canon and really divine, those verses you quoted do not prove anything then when it comes to the age of the Christian religion. Besides from what I understand the Christian religion started with the establishment of the Christian church which didn't occur until the first century CE.
1) Planetary rings are not necessarily as old (the rings i mean not the matter that makes them up) as the planets themselves. That said, they very well may be. the intricacies of those rings can be renewed and restructured as a result of impacts and disturbance.
2) True, most short period comets probably less than that. However, this is irrelevant, comets get plucked from the Kuiper belt and possibly beyond so the likes of Halleys comet are very recent features of the inner solar system
the geologists use a different carbon dating wat they need to and as soon as they find a fossil that isnt within their date they throw it out ... if you can test the fossils and get 10 differnt numbers and they keep the ones that suit them...
there is allot of evedence for a young earth there is trees under ground how did that happen? the flood covered the trees also the grand canyon, the three sisters ,ularu and zagros mountians all of that is evedence for a flood that happened 4400 years ago
Carbon dating is not used for fossils, its for more recent objects. There are various radiometric dating techniques (bear in mind geologists believed the rocks to be very very old long long before these techniques were developed) and these techniques back one another up. Anyway, forget radiometric dating, what about the dendochronological record? The magnetic banding on the floor of the Atlantic as the plates drift apart? Starlight from stellar objects billions of light years away?...
The lack of any natural occuring radioisotopes (that arent part of a chain from a longer period isotope) with half lives less than 250million years but ALL isotopes with half lives longer? The sedimentary record (you realise how much biomass you'd need to make all that oil and gas in a couple of thousand years?) that has withstood rigorous testing?
You want answers to your vertical trees? Volcanic events and rapid sedimentary events (flood plains etc)
The ONLY way you can sustain your case is to scrupulously avoid facing up to proper scientific sites and sticking to creationist materials which either misrepresent or totally ignore areas of science.
@noelplum99 the earth isnt billions of years old.. dont let the evolutionists lie to u they need allot of years 4 their theory to work, the earth is 6,000 years old...and mate dont start with the "big bang" the big bang is a big dud, wat started the big bang when there was nothing b4 it? and explosions dont make stuff they destroy stuff...life didnt happen by chance it happened on purpose , but we do have a purpose you are valuable to God unlike to atheists you are nothing you came out of soup
FYI geologists had already come around to the idea that the earth was very very old (in the tens to hundreds of millions of years) before darwins theory of natural selection. there are so many threads of evidence that all point to an earth far older than 6000 years that your position is untenable and only maintained with the thickest of blinkers.
2: The big bang is not an explosion, it is an expansion.
3: Evolution has such a weight of evidence from so many sources that for it to be false...
would require a coincidence beyond the imagination. There is probably more evidence for the theory of evolution by natural selection (and the fact of evolution itself) than any other scientific theory.
I try and keep abreast of science, it's a real passion of mine, so I reckon to have a reasonable lay-appreciation of the depth and, more importantly breadth of sources of evidence for most theories. Some theories such as heliocentrism have overwhelming evidence too but I can't envisage quiote the variety of sources, maybe germ theory or something might pull in evidence from as many sources, hence my use of 'probably'
I'm not even sure this guy isn't actually taking the piss, EdwardCurrent style. In fact if you superimposed his face over the top this would be IDENTICAL to an EdwardCurrent video.
yep, i recommend you do a youtube channel search for 'EdwardCurrent', the guy does some quite funny stuff (well ok, even if you don't find it funny you'll be able to appreciate the effort he puts in to many of them).
I just keep hearing this vid every time I post and it keeps winding me up in different ways.
I mean what do you guys find so impressive about this video? He goes over a couple of things and says he'll do a vid on it but then he doesn't actually bring any evidence to the table or cobble together any kind of an argument, never mind a good argument, he doesn't make ANY argument whatsoever.
I mean where does he counter the claim that other religions are older than christianity? Or counter the claim that christianity has borrowed from other religions?
Are you guys so zombified into your beliefs that you think writing a crappy poem counts as some sort of proof? If a politician gave as shit an answer to a question as this they'd be strung up so why are you settling for so little, how can anyone possibly find this a good video given his aim of answering these claims?
Thats like me stating that The Big Bang Theory is 13.7 billion years old becase that was when the Big Bang occured.
Even in the unlikely event that Christianity, in any form, is true, as a doctrine it is 2000 years old, not 13.7 billion years old (or 6000 years old for the scientifically challenged).
some protestants are not Christians as well as other religious, because Jesus said ` if you love me keep my commandments`..and if any man love not our Lord Jesus Christ let him be anathema maranatha, accursed at the coming of our Lord.. and many shall say in that day, Lord, Lord, we cast out devils in your name etc., [ like Judas ]when did we see you hungry or thirsty, when you rejected my disciples from help, depert into eternal darkness you wicked religeous, Jesus said, i never knew you
You know ive now watched the first 30 secs about twenty times and I'm starting to think its the most moronic video ive ever seen.
I'd go as far as to say that if you are a christian and you aren't embarassed by this video then you need to watch it again. If you still aren't embarassed then I just don't know what to say: this really is theology for morons and cretins.
Christianity is from Judaism. Except Christianity means Christ died for your sins and was formed after Chirst died for our sins, thust creating the "Christ" in Christian. So it wouldn't make much sense if he used that term while he was still "human". (a term I use very lightley for him).
Christian means,follower of Christ.We use it because we are followers of Christ.Jesus never used it because he wasnt a follower of himself rather follower of the Father.And because he revealed the Father to us we follow him who is in the Father and we in him.
Ok what is your point?Jesus did say they would hate those who follow him just as they hated him.So its not surprising that they would use it in derogatorry way.We take pride in that name because it is one which we follow.
We are called "SAINTS", TRUE BELIEVERS, Sons of GOD. How do we distinguish ourselves from Catholics? The issue isn't 'judaism'-'christianity' but, HOLINESS.
And on this 'Why Ask?' thing, Just because I'm an atheist doesnt mean I'm not interested in other peoples beliefs. If you check out my channel you'll see i have a series of 7 vids specifically aimed at theists (christians especially).
Did Karl Marx ever use the term 'Marxism' or Thatcher 'Thatcherism'. I'm happy to use any term where the majority of people understand what it refers to tbh.
Sure but its the same God and they had faith in what chrsitianity is today.So they had similar walk as Christians.So they are one and the same,without Judaism there would be no Christianity and without Christianity there would be no judaism.And without God there would be neither.
Ok, well I totally agree that its the same God, the god of Abraham, and I can see that from a christian viewpoint that its a refinement or perfection of the former.
I can't quite see how without christianity there would be no judaism though. I also stand by my comments earlier that the god of Adam and Noah is not the god of Abraham and , in terms of human belief, predates him.
Because Judaism was a shadow of the things to come.So without the light there would be no shadow.Judaism would be incomplete if Chrsitianity didnt come along.
That is a meaningless statement. Firstly you are using shadow in a metaphorical context as a portent and then you are going all literal on us by stating that a shadow can't exist without a source of light. Thats an abuse of your allegory.
How is that an abuse?Its part of the allegory,you cant have a shadow without light.Its both literal and allegorical science only proves the way God works.
Well judaism was based on traditional laws,which are about sacrifice.They sacrifice daily and were conscient of sins daily.Because of that they were not perfect meaning they sinned and didnt know how to be made perfect.Jesus came and sacrificed once for all sins and was made perfect because he was conscient of no more sin.He was spotless and sinless.Knowing that he was the light because he was clear of all sin which is darkness.
When people talk of shadows though, the light they refer to is electromagnetic radiation. When you talk of Jesus being 'the light' I am quite sure this is not what you mean, so lets not confuse things here. Similarly shadows and darkness are not synonymous. If there was no 'light' you could still have darkness even if you could not, be definition, strictly have shadows.
I don't see how what you have written makes Judaism dependent upon Christianity
Ok think of Judaism as the moon.Like I said Judaism is dependent on Christianity because we are the same people.God has his people which he calls Israel,and Israel are the believers in him.Judaism rejected the messiah and so he came to save the gentiles and now the gentiles are called Israel.So like I said they are not really dependent on eachother but in God.But it is God that makes them one people because they both depend on him.They all depend on eachother.Christianity is fulfillment of proph
Haha, if I was in a plane going down I'd probably cry Jesus Christ! as well, same as I do when I stub my toe. It desn't prove his existence, it just proves I need my mouth washing out with soap!!
No of offense but most Christians manage to understand this concept.
God was there and you could believe in him but Jesus did not exist until he was sent here as our savior.
I don't believe that to be honest the god of the bible did not exist until he was written into existence 70 years after the death of Jesus. The gods that where wrote about before him are a dime a dozen.
What are you talking about?Judaism was a shadow of Christianity.Jesus was the lamb they sacrificed every time for their sins.Now we have Jesus Christ who is the lamb who pays for ALL our sins so we remeber them no more.
Jesus is God! And He was there in eternity past, all things were made by Him, in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God--See John 1:1. Jesus is the Creator God. He became flesh so that He could redeem man and save us from our sins. That is why He died, to take the punishment we deserved upon Himself and when we receive Him as our Savior,He covers us with His righteousness and God sees our sins no more.He was NOT written into existence, He created our existence.
The bible talks about the foolishness of men. Psalm 14;1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God, (etc) I simply asked him to make himself REAL to ME. I wasn't interested in religion. (religion=bondage) HE DID!!
[For me], I had no problem believing there was a God, but really had the feeling that he wasn't for me, I could never be good enough. In high school a friend told me how to "get saved". I'd never heard that before. Romans 3;23 says no one is good enough. Everyone would go to hell according to Romans 6;23 BUT the gift of God is eternal life thru Jesus Christ in the 2nd half of that verse. God loved us while we were still sinners Romans 5;8.
Finally, Romans 10; 9,10. That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you'll be saved.
I prayed, asked the Lord to forgive my sin. Asked him to make himself known to me. I didn't want to take someone elses word for it. My experience had nothing to do with magic. Several weeks after praying and seeking him with all my heart, I had a supernatural experience that left me with a peace I had never known before.
since we dont have the original manuscript of the Pentateuch, i feel this is an assumption without enough basis. If, however, the Epic of Gilgamesh was written prior to Genesis, it also would not disprove anything, since even the Chinese, the Inka and many others have a flood myth. This would only mean that they (mesopotamians) were the first to record it. It would seem very unlikely that the Inka took their myth from Mesopotamia.
I'm not saying it would disporve the Noah story (the science does a good enough job of that) but given that it is a very similar story but with different characters and given also that it is a sumerian (mesopotamian) story concerning, as the Noah story does, a sumerian character does it not add to my assertion that Noah would worship Sumerian gods? I can't fathom any reason why he would not: indeed if he, like Abraham worshipped a god out of step with the time wouldnt that be remarked upon?
i cant agree, since the evidence you gave from the old testament is a very free interpretation of what is written. I know only what is present, and to make such claims based on mere assumptions and misinterpretations i think is unreasonable, since we have not enough record. its a matter of faith, i guess.
Kripptic, whilst I thank you for your engagement I must ask you a question:
As a Christian i realise it is your duty to try and convert atheists such as myself. However, what i can't get my head round is how you think quoting from the bible is going to do the trick. You think if a buddhist comes on here and starts giving readings from the Pali Canon you would accept that as 'evidence' that you were wrong? First step to converting me is to convince me that your god exists and that jesus is his..
son. You can't honestly expect me to accept jesus when I don't believe either of these things can you? If I told you the first step is to accept Lord Brahma and then you can become a Hindu I can't believe that would really bowl you over?
unfortunately, most people never figure out HOW to seek Christ. I mean, they ask things like, "if you are real, reveal yourself to me", but thats not how it works. Most people who DO eventually "find Him", do so at their lowest point, when there is absolutely NOWHERE ELSE to turn. They fall apart & find themselves begging God to please help them because they cant do it alone! Unwittingly, they submitted totally, & opened themselves up to that life altering embrace that all Christians know.
Actually, they only "find Jesus" in those emotionally vulnerable situations if they are in a predominantly christian culture. Otherwise, they'll grasp at whatever straw is available.
The truth group yet again exceeds my expectations.
Christianity cannot predate the (supposed) birth date of Jesus. Even the figure of Jesus himself was a Jew, so what manner of madness is this?
Further, it is a scientific fact that the earth has been around for billions of years before humans evolved, the universe estimated at a further 9 billions years before that. I find the notion that something 2000 years old is older than 13.7 billion years odd. Doctor Who is a Christian maybe?
I wish this was satire-.-
Kretain 1 year ago
You should point your nose to the ground, fella. Judaism is the oldest motheist religion on Earth. The oldest relligion the, Ha! many other religions were born before Judaism. Greek, Romans, Egyptians... and other thing... when the Homo Sapiens discovered the fire, tehy called it a god. You have no story to tell. The Bible is a man-wrote thing. Even though Jesus existed, this doesn't means anything. I belive in science and I'm atheist. I don't say ither religions bust, cause I don't care.
GreatHowlStudios 1 year ago
This is one of the most overt examples of circular reasoning. In arguing that Christianity is the oldest religion, you are presupposing that it is true. You then use its claim as the oldest religion to reaffirm it's veracity.
2MassEffect2 1 year ago
@2MassEffect2 Sure, but it doesn't make it any less true. :)
theTRUTHgroup 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
miklean 2 years ago
all your research comes from the bible of course its going too say its the oldest the people who wrote it arnt going too admit too earlyer religions are they because they believe theres is the only true god . thats not proof sorry
wertssss1234 2 years ago
Well done.
Fun video and very educational.
djemil5 3 years ago 2
hahahahahahahahah! funny video. 5 points. Satire right?
vintersavn 3 years ago
So because a book says that "in the beginning" that means that belief is the oldest?
Rubbish! There are books older than the Bible. The Torah even makes up the first part of your book, hence it must be older.
Are you then saying that all Christians are Jews?
How about Hindus, who were around 1000's of years before.
Aussie cave paintings are older than your precious bible.
If age is an indicator of correct religion, we would believe in shamanism and ancestor worship, not Christianity!
ashev00 3 years ago
Geez, people. You mock the Bible, saying that that's Christian's ONLY proof about Christianity or about any religion their history. THINK AGAIN. If you pick up a freaking HISTORY book or anything from ancient times you would STILL FIND evidence dating back to the BEGINNING OF TIME, or whenever people started to record history, that is. Oh, and if you don't agree or believe then WHY DO YOU WATCH THIS?
Pokegirl506 3 years ago
What history books have you been reading?
bcraig5 3 years ago
@bcraig5 The one's they have in texas, most likely.
LuminOfMoonlight 1 year ago
THAT'S your evidence that Christianity is the oldest faith? That the Bible says so! That book is contradictory within itself, how can you rely on it for evidence? How do you explain the other religions that existed millenia before Christianty then?!
thebadwolf17 3 years ago
This is a really poorly framed argument. Maybe we should say that some of the doctrines and beliefs found in Christianity were practiced by many other religions before the Bible was even written.
bigsurwander12 3 years ago
It appears that you believe in contradiction to the established facts. Thus, you are deluded.
Established fact indicates that humans are not created by God, but rather, they evolved from other primates.
Established fact indicates that God was an invention in the Bible and is derived from the pantheon of gods known as Elohim worshipped in semitic lands about 1400BC (archeaological proof at Urgarit).
Thus, we can say your belief in God makes you a fool - open your eyes.
CASEwithscience 3 years ago
That's where you're wrong, my friend.
I believe in contradiction to the established BELIEFS.
I'm all about clinging to facts.
You should really check into it.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
@theTRUTHgroup lolwut
fighterace2688 8 months ago
"casewithscience", Elohim is NOT a "pantheon of gods". You would know that if you studied scripture. Elohim is the plural for the ONE true God. El is the singular form. God is singular AND plural. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit - Three, but One.
cadborasaurus 3 years ago
Christianity,...supported by Judaism.
*LOL*
fonna 3 years ago
LOL I love your sarcasm! Cool video. Hilarious
VersatileMind4Christ 3 years ago
Christianity has been around from the beginning. Before Christ, CHRISTianity was Judaism since Christ had not come to earth then. The only reason Judaism is still around is because the majority of Jewish people didn't accept Christ as the promised Messiah. So they worship the same God as Christians, but they are still waiting for Him to come to earth. Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life and no man comes to the Father except through Him.
cadborasaurus 3 years ago 7
maybe I guess you can the name "Christianity" started with the birth of Christ, but the religion and the teachers were from the very beginning. I say that because, God is Jesus, and Jesus is God.
daprophecy 3 years ago 2
christianity actually started with teachings of jesus... that's why they call it christianity. so it's about 2000 years old. before that, there was judaism, although the same laws of god are used. however, moses wrote the torah around 1450 - 1410 B.C, NOT at the time of creation. before 1450 there were already many religions around the world in europe, africa, asia...oh and don't forget the famouse greek, roman, egyptian gods which people believed in wayyyyyyyyyyy before moses was even born.
kgkirtland 3 years ago 2
(John 1:1)
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(2)
"The same was in the beginning with God."
(3)
"All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
(14)
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Umm, read his comment again.
bcraig5 3 years ago
I'm really sorry, but I have to ask this, and (please believe me), in all seriousness; Is this parody? Because I found myself wanting to laugh at the ridiculousness of the "logic" (i.e., just because an old book SAYS something does not MAKE it true). But it also seemed sort of serious, and (frankly), too pathetic to laugh at if that were the case. Please excuse my lack of tact in either case, but I just had to ask.
DAOzz83 3 years ago 2
Well, this clip is only understood by Christians, to be honest with you.
A Christian, who already understands that the Bible is authoritative in all things, will actually be open to what the Bible says about origins and history.
A non-Christian will obviously think this is ridiculous because he/she doesn't believe the Bible to begin with.
But, don't feel bad, my sarcastic persona confuses more than just you. Sometimes it works against me.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Right since you're obviously just ignoring all logic please just answer me this. How do you know that the whole of Genisis (and a good few other parts of the bible) aren't just made up? Please someone get back to me.
billjohn69 3 years ago 3
How do you know they are?
undone1963 3 years ago
"How do you know they are?"
because they defy every natural law in existence.
thecommonsenseguy 3 years ago 2
cause if the bible proves profercies then the whole bible isn't made up
RoadKillTube 3 years ago
Let me know when that happens.
You're gonna need something a little less vague to qualify as a prophecy, though.
WeedGreenPowerRanger 3 years ago 2
This question is pretty simple. Christianity is two thousand years old. Judaism is certainly older than that, but Judaism =/= Christianity.
And yes, there are pagan traditions, ideas, and other pagan messiahs who came before Jesus.
So this question is pretty simple, Christianity is two thousand years old, and Christianity IS influenced by pagan religions. See, Christmas and Easter.
ttllysrschristian 3 years ago
Apparently, you didn't watch the clip.
And, yes, Christmas and Easter are EXTREMELY PAGAN. But, they have nothing to do with Christianity and Christianity has nothing to do with them.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
I watched the entire video. <_<
Christianity is two thousand years old, it started with Jesus, or with his apostles. Depends on which one you want to attribute with starting Christianity.
Just because the Old Testament says God's word has existed since the beginning doesn't mean Christianity has existed since the beginning of everything. The Old Testament isn't a Christian book, Christianity didn't exist when it was written.
ttllysrschristian 3 years ago
you watched it but couldent hear it (repent)
melodysjoy 3 years ago
The Old Testament prophesied the New Covenant, Jesus Christ. The unblemished Lamb of God.
They are connected.
GossPal 3 years ago
Christianity can only be an offshoot of other faiths if evolution took place.. If evolution happened, then the ideas of Christianity could have happened over time. If Creation took place, then concepts of the Christian God IS the original faith and all others are offshoots. From here we see the importance of the Evolution/Creation argument. The Christmas/ Easter argument is settled in Colossians 2:16.
sicstyl 3 years ago
Great video. In the beginning...great stuff brother
vidhead85 3 years ago
Wow,
I facepalmed throughout this whole video.
Hez0 3 years ago 2
Wow, I really need to begin reading my Bible more because the verses you pointed out are perfect defenses against Atheists' radical claims that there is no God and that Earth was formed by evolution.
Rawk4Life 3 years ago
wow.
just wow.
kickthebass 3 years ago
hinduism is the oldest surviving religion in the world...that's not even disputed, it's just a fact
95mscottb95 3 years ago
You are correct in saying that Hinduism is the oldest surviving "religion" in the world, but you left out one thing. Christianity has NEVER been a religion, for it is having a personal relationship with God.
Rawk4Life 3 years ago
God has been since the beginning. Although there was no name for following him that I can think of, that changed when Christ came. Christ and God are the same so, Christianity was the first. back then, did they call them religions? All I am saying is stick to the first, and not the hundreds that came to be.
somecallmedave 3 years ago
I make up a new religion every 1.5 minutes just to ensure that mine is always the newest on the planet.
palermo131 3 years ago
Brother, I always get a kick out of watching your videos. They are entertaining, insightful and have great points.
Keep up the great work and may God bless you always.
ProphecyChannel 3 years ago
AMEN! WORD MY BROTHER! Excellent video! :D :)
JediSurvivorOrder66 3 years ago
Praise God! the Bible PROVES it self right in its own pages by verifying its own claims that Christianity is the first and oldest religion! Just like the Bible says. Amazing.
Amen!
mrkurt13 3 years ago
you idiot the bible is not fact and if you think it is then your just as gulable as the kid who believes in santa claus and thinks the word gulable is written on the ceiling ..
laxstar3 3 years ago
As a matter of fact, it is written up there.
BUT, it's actually spelled correctly.
And, hey, there IS NO SANTA CLAUS!
I dare you to say that to your kids...
or you could just keep lying to them if you want.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Hey wasn't their a real santa claus back in the day? I mean not one that could fly but a real "saint" like him? Im not sure. Either way the santa that kids think of today never fulfilled prophecies or inspired people to write historical books.
somecallmedave 3 years ago
So your point in that analogy is what? We should keep lying to our kids about Christianity because it's easier?
glorfon 3 years ago
Nope...
it just amuses me how so many people will lie to their children about santa, the tooth fairy, the easter bunny...
but yet, those same people are so hateful towards the truth of Christ.
What a sad world we live in today.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
I like how you mention Gen 1:5 as being the first day with light and Darkness. Of course you skip the part where God didn't make the Sun until Gen 1:16 on the third day.
Yeah, that makes sence.
I like the 2 Thel. 13 Quote also. God hath from the beginning chosen you to Salvation ... Don't mention that "In The Beginning" Adam and Eve were created perfect with no need for salvation ... Unless a "Omniscient God" knew if he planted that tree in the garden Humanity would fail.
Nailed It!
GregQzag 3 years ago
You're on the right track.
It would be awfully shortsighted of an all knowing God to not plan ahead for what was about to happen, right?
And, of course God created the light before He created the sun, moon and stars.
After all, the sun is not the ultimate source of light.
God is.
See, if man would've written this book, it wouldn't be smarter than you now, would it?
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Haha! Greg got owned!
Hokabelle 3 years ago
honk!!!! honk!!!
sal991985 3 years ago
Huh what this is a joke right christianity has been around for 2 thousand years and the torah has only been around for 3 thousand religion has been around for at least 40 thousand years if chrisitanity was the religion from the start my friend why doesnt everyone just believe why is there such diverse religions if you had the one true religion the whole time there would not be any new ones lol nailed it if find that ironic
Drakkanon 3 years ago
stop your cockiness
baltusd 3 years ago
in order to prove that to some one using your arguments they have to already believe the bible. and im sure that if they are saying Christianity is made up by other religions then.... they don't believe in the bible.
thehuntfortruth 3 years ago
VERY Good Video! Keep it up.
AlexBrown11 3 years ago
Wonderful video. Point well taken. Christianity is as old as Creation because it is the true, God-ordained religion. Keep up the great work!
Galbotorix78 3 years ago
Galbotorix78,
Sorry, I must beg you for clarification,
Are you suggesting that the "truth" of Christianity is validated by its own "truth"?
trevorbuvyer 3 years ago
You didn't refute any arguments against Christianity taking from other religions, you basically used the bible to prove the bible is right, please, give us coherent arguments.
whamii 3 years ago
Amen brother!
Christianity is circa 2000 years old.
Oh, btw, HONK HONK!
RaptureMe2 3 years ago 2
Great video brother Daniel :)!
curtisrlevey 3 years ago
God isnt religion. God didnt become man to start a religion here on earth. Religion is a framework of rules to achieve salvation. We cant grab life. It has to be given to us =)
NorthernWinds 3 years ago 3
But cristianity is only 2000 years old
and what about other beliefs that say to be the oldest? The bible has no evidence. Just because it says it does doesn't prove anything
alk222111000 3 years ago
Awesome!!!
theheat151 3 years ago
Alas unless you believe the Bible is true and those verses are canon and really divine, those verses you quoted do not prove anything then when it comes to the age of the Christian religion. Besides from what I understand the Christian religion started with the establishment of the Christian church which didn't occur until the first century CE.
brianblackberry 3 years ago
'unless those verses...are really divine'
Yup, you nailed it on the head.
If you don't understand the validity of the scriptures, then this teaching won't mean anything to you.
But, for those of us who know the True and Living God of the Bible, this is just a simple scripture study for edification of our faith.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
here are some evedence if the earth was really billions of years old wat should of happened and the evedence points to a young earth
1.All planetary rings still exhibit intricacies which Should Have long ago
disappeared.
2.All known comets burn up their material with each pass around the sun and Should Have a maximum life expectancy of 100,000 years.
3.The outer solar system planets should have long ago cooled off.
danwazhere7 3 years ago
1) Planetary rings are not necessarily as old (the rings i mean not the matter that makes them up) as the planets themselves. That said, they very well may be. the intricacies of those rings can be renewed and restructured as a result of impacts and disturbance.
2) True, most short period comets probably less than that. However, this is irrelevant, comets get plucked from the Kuiper belt and possibly beyond so the likes of Halleys comet are very recent features of the inner solar system
noelplum99 3 years ago
3) Are you sure you mean the outer planets and not their satellites?
noelplum99 3 years ago
Great video, Daniel!
Karen
KarensFaith 3 years ago
the geologists use a different carbon dating wat they need to and as soon as they find a fossil that isnt within their date they throw it out ... if you can test the fossils and get 10 differnt numbers and they keep the ones that suit them...
there is allot of evedence for a young earth there is trees under ground how did that happen? the flood covered the trees also the grand canyon, the three sisters ,ularu and zagros mountians all of that is evedence for a flood that happened 4400 years ago
danwazhere7 3 years ago
Carbon dating is not used for fossils, its for more recent objects. There are various radiometric dating techniques (bear in mind geologists believed the rocks to be very very old long long before these techniques were developed) and these techniques back one another up. Anyway, forget radiometric dating, what about the dendochronological record? The magnetic banding on the floor of the Atlantic as the plates drift apart? Starlight from stellar objects billions of light years away?...
noelplum99 3 years ago
The lack of any natural occuring radioisotopes (that arent part of a chain from a longer period isotope) with half lives less than 250million years but ALL isotopes with half lives longer? The sedimentary record (you realise how much biomass you'd need to make all that oil and gas in a couple of thousand years?) that has withstood rigorous testing?
You want answers to your vertical trees? Volcanic events and rapid sedimentary events (flood plains etc)
noelplum99 3 years ago
The ONLY way you can sustain your case is to scrupulously avoid facing up to proper scientific sites and sticking to creationist materials which either misrepresent or totally ignore areas of science.
noelplum99 3 years ago
@noelplum99 the earth isnt billions of years old.. dont let the evolutionists lie to u they need allot of years 4 their theory to work, the earth is 6,000 years old...and mate dont start with the "big bang" the big bang is a big dud, wat started the big bang when there was nothing b4 it? and explosions dont make stuff they destroy stuff...life didnt happen by chance it happened on purpose , but we do have a purpose you are valuable to God unlike to atheists you are nothing you came out of soup
danwazhere7 3 years ago
FYI geologists had already come around to the idea that the earth was very very old (in the tens to hundreds of millions of years) before darwins theory of natural selection. there are so many threads of evidence that all point to an earth far older than 6000 years that your position is untenable and only maintained with the thickest of blinkers.
2: The big bang is not an explosion, it is an expansion.
3: Evolution has such a weight of evidence from so many sources that for it to be false...
noelplum99 3 years ago
would require a coincidence beyond the imagination. There is probably more evidence for the theory of evolution by natural selection (and the fact of evolution itself) than any other scientific theory.
noelplum99 3 years ago
...nice use of the word 'probably'...
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
I try and keep abreast of science, it's a real passion of mine, so I reckon to have a reasonable lay-appreciation of the depth and, more importantly breadth of sources of evidence for most theories. Some theories such as heliocentrism have overwhelming evidence too but I can't envisage quiote the variety of sources, maybe germ theory or something might pull in evidence from as many sources, hence my use of 'probably'
noelplum99 3 years ago
I'm not even sure this guy isn't actually taking the piss, EdwardCurrent style. In fact if you superimposed his face over the top this would be IDENTICAL to an EdwardCurrent video.
noelplum99 3 years ago
At the risk of sounding stupid, what is an Edward Current video?
Is that a fellow youtuber?
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
yep, i recommend you do a youtube channel search for 'EdwardCurrent', the guy does some quite funny stuff (well ok, even if you don't find it funny you'll be able to appreciate the effort he puts in to many of them).
noelplum99 3 years ago
This sir, is what we call Poes law. We cannot imitate a fundamentalist for a giggle without being taken seriously.
kff 3 years ago
Where do you get those t-shirts. I love em!:)
butterflie2484 3 years ago
"I guess I should probably do a video on that"
I just keep hearing this vid every time I post and it keeps winding me up in different ways.
I mean what do you guys find so impressive about this video? He goes over a couple of things and says he'll do a vid on it but then he doesn't actually bring any evidence to the table or cobble together any kind of an argument, never mind a good argument, he doesn't make ANY argument whatsoever.
noelplum99 3 years ago
I mean where does he counter the claim that other religions are older than christianity? Or counter the claim that christianity has borrowed from other religions?
Are you guys so zombified into your beliefs that you think writing a crappy poem counts as some sort of proof? If a politician gave as shit an answer to a question as this they'd be strung up so why are you settling for so little, how can anyone possibly find this a good video given his aim of answering these claims?
noelplum99 3 years ago
We love you Daniel!!! :) My sister and I love your videos!
KristinaLolita 3 years ago
Hey, thanks.
I really appreciate that.
Working for God is too much fun.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Of course, you're very welcome!!
I agree with that 110%!! I get so excited when I wake up every morning lol. :)
KristinaLolita 3 years ago
That's cool.
I usually get excited when I 'go' to sleep...
being unconscious is so underrated.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
lol... You're fantastic. :)
I literally laughed out loud!
..And of course, God bless!!!!
KristinaLolita 3 years ago
nice work ...Christianity started from the beggining of th world
danwazhere7 3 years ago
Thats a stupid comment to make.
Thats like me stating that The Big Bang Theory is 13.7 billion years old becase that was when the Big Bang occured.
Even in the unlikely event that Christianity, in any form, is true, as a doctrine it is 2000 years old, not 13.7 billion years old (or 6000 years old for the scientifically challenged).
noelplum99 3 years ago
5/5
ofreshartist 3 years ago
5/5
galadriel1995 3 years ago
Great and very well done video.. God Bless!!
ChankenHSW 3 years ago
some protestants are not Christians as well as other religious, because Jesus said ` if you love me keep my commandments`..and if any man love not our Lord Jesus Christ let him be anathema maranatha, accursed at the coming of our Lord.. and many shall say in that day, Lord, Lord, we cast out devils in your name etc., [ like Judas ]when did we see you hungry or thirsty, when you rejected my disciples from help, depert into eternal darkness you wicked religeous, Jesus said, i never knew you
bibliosca 3 years ago
Aww sweet nice video
godsgirl198 3 years ago
you reckon?
You know ive now watched the first 30 secs about twenty times and I'm starting to think its the most moronic video ive ever seen.
I'd go as far as to say that if you are a christian and you aren't embarassed by this video then you need to watch it again. If you still aren't embarassed then I just don't know what to say: this really is theology for morons and cretins.
noelplum99 3 years ago
Christianity is from Judaism. Except Christianity means Christ died for your sins and was formed after Chirst died for our sins, thust creating the "Christ" in Christian. So it wouldn't make much sense if he used that term while he was still "human". (a term I use very lightley for him).
Epicforcr 3 years ago
Almost all of christianity is borrowed off of much older religions including pagan ones.
DisturbedbyDeth356 3 years ago
Jesus Christ NEVER used the term "christian". Why are we using it?
aethiops007 3 years ago
Christian means,follower of Christ.We use it because we are followers of Christ.Jesus never used it because he wasnt a follower of himself rather follower of the Father.And because he revealed the Father to us we follow him who is in the Father and we in him.
6gording6 3 years ago
The term was a derogatory term in antiquity given to the true believer by NON- Believers. Just the "N" word is used now.
aethiops007 3 years ago
Ok what is your point?Jesus did say they would hate those who follow him just as they hated him.So its not surprising that they would use it in derogatorry way.We take pride in that name because it is one which we follow.
6gording6 3 years ago
We are called "SAINTS", TRUE BELIEVERS, Sons of GOD. How do we distinguish ourselves from Catholics? The issue isn't 'judaism'-'christianity' but, HOLINESS.
aethiops007 3 years ago
dont christians other than catgholics usually distinguish themselves with the terms 'protestantism' or 'orthodox' respectively?
noelplum99 3 years ago
No. Catholics consider themselves "christian". Thats too close for comfort.
aethiops007 3 years ago
And you don't?
noelplum99 3 years ago
NO. Romans 1:7.
aethiops007 3 years ago
Ive just read 1:7 . please explain (im an atheist remember, how that makes catholics non-christians?
noelplum99 3 years ago
I didn't know you were an aethiest. Why ask?
aethiops007 3 years ago
I'm just interested why you feel romans 1:7 suggests that catholics arent christians, its a simple question.
noelplum99 3 years ago
And on this 'Why Ask?' thing, Just because I'm an atheist doesnt mean I'm not interested in other peoples beliefs. If you check out my channel you'll see i have a series of 7 vids specifically aimed at theists (christians especially).
noelplum99 3 years ago
Did Karl Marx ever use the term 'Marxism' or Thatcher 'Thatcherism'. I'm happy to use any term where the majority of people understand what it refers to tbh.
noelplum99 3 years ago
So anyway, out of interest, is there ANYONE on this thread who actually agrees with the guy in the video that Christianity is the oldest religion?
If so, how is it older than Judaism and howold is it?
noelplum99 3 years ago
Christianity is the perfection of Judaism.
6gording6 3 years ago
So you are agreeing that Judaism predates Christianity then?
noelplum99 3 years ago
Sure but its the same God and they had faith in what chrsitianity is today.So they had similar walk as Christians.So they are one and the same,without Judaism there would be no Christianity and without Christianity there would be no judaism.And without God there would be neither.
6gording6 3 years ago
Ok, well I totally agree that its the same God, the god of Abraham, and I can see that from a christian viewpoint that its a refinement or perfection of the former.
I can't quite see how without christianity there would be no judaism though. I also stand by my comments earlier that the god of Adam and Noah is not the god of Abraham and , in terms of human belief, predates him.
noelplum99 3 years ago
Because Judaism was a shadow of the things to come.So without the light there would be no shadow.Judaism would be incomplete if Chrsitianity didnt come along.
6gording6 3 years ago
That is a meaningless statement. Firstly you are using shadow in a metaphorical context as a portent and then you are going all literal on us by stating that a shadow can't exist without a source of light. Thats an abuse of your allegory.
noelplum99 3 years ago
How is that an abuse?Its part of the allegory,you cant have a shadow without light.Its both literal and allegorical science only proves the way God works.
6gording6 3 years ago
Ok Gording, you make a fair point. The abnalogy is valid as an analogy.
However, notwithstanding that, the point itself makes no sense to me and i refute the notion that Judaism is a shadow of christianity.
noelplum99 3 years ago
Well judaism was based on traditional laws,which are about sacrifice.They sacrifice daily and were conscient of sins daily.Because of that they were not perfect meaning they sinned and didnt know how to be made perfect.Jesus came and sacrificed once for all sins and was made perfect because he was conscient of no more sin.He was spotless and sinless.Knowing that he was the light because he was clear of all sin which is darkness.
6gording6 3 years ago
When people talk of shadows though, the light they refer to is electromagnetic radiation. When you talk of Jesus being 'the light' I am quite sure this is not what you mean, so lets not confuse things here. Similarly shadows and darkness are not synonymous. If there was no 'light' you could still have darkness even if you could not, be definition, strictly have shadows.
I don't see how what you have written makes Judaism dependent upon Christianity
noelplum99 3 years ago
Ok think of Judaism as the moon.Like I said Judaism is dependent on Christianity because we are the same people.God has his people which he calls Israel,and Israel are the believers in him.Judaism rejected the messiah and so he came to save the gentiles and now the gentiles are called Israel.So like I said they are not really dependent on eachother but in God.But it is God that makes them one people because they both depend on him.They all depend on eachother.Christianity is fulfillment of proph
6gording6 3 years ago
And before the deuteronomists invented monotheism, the hebrews were polytheists, and yahweh was one of many gods.
samsroomie 3 years ago
Haha, if I was in a plane going down I'd probably cry Jesus Christ! as well, same as I do when I stub my toe. It desn't prove his existence, it just proves I need my mouth washing out with soap!!
noelplum99 3 years ago
"I'll get like a christian T-shirt..."
haha
scjason420 3 years ago
great job brother, powerful stuff and your way of sharing is easy to swallow... God bless ya.
Yokeup 3 years ago
There was no Christianity before Christ.
No of offense but most Christians manage to understand this concept.
God was there and you could believe in him but Jesus did not exist until he was sent here as our savior.
I don't believe that to be honest the god of the bible did not exist until he was written into existence 70 years after the death of Jesus. The gods that where wrote about before him are a dime a dozen.
dackjaniels555 3 years ago
yea but jews believed massiach was coming. which is the same thing... just prior to christ in our timeline.
scjason420 3 years ago
IF THE JEWS WE'RE RIGHT ABOUT THE MESSIAH, then why wern't they RIGHT ABOUT THE MESSIAH!
Danmill23 3 years ago
Jesus was the one who revealed the perfection of the Father,because everyone else in the OT was imperfect.
6gording6 3 years ago
What are you talking about?Judaism was a shadow of Christianity.Jesus was the lamb they sacrificed every time for their sins.Now we have Jesus Christ who is the lamb who pays for ALL our sins so we remeber them no more.
6gording6 3 years ago
Jesus is God! And He was there in eternity past, all things were made by Him, in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God--See John 1:1. Jesus is the Creator God. He became flesh so that He could redeem man and save us from our sins. That is why He died, to take the punishment we deserved upon Himself and when we receive Him as our Savior,He covers us with His righteousness and God sees our sins no more.He was NOT written into existence, He created our existence.
KarensFaith 3 years ago
You fail to see that nobody believed any of this until Jesus started preaching the word.
2000 years ago...
dackjaniels555 3 years ago
The bible talks about the foolishness of men. Psalm 14;1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God, (etc) I simply asked him to make himself REAL to ME. I wasn't interested in religion. (religion=bondage) HE DID!!
plzbready 3 years ago
And can you explain this "real"ness to me. How did he make him(self) real?
Danmill23 3 years ago
Do you really want to know or are you just dogging everyone on this page??
plzbready 3 years ago
Not sure what "Dogging" is but I assume that's what I'm doing mostly.
But please don't let my dogging stop my learning. Explain it to me ...
Danmill23 3 years ago
1.
[For me], I had no problem believing there was a God, but really had the feeling that he wasn't for me, I could never be good enough. In high school a friend told me how to "get saved". I'd never heard that before. Romans 3;23 says no one is good enough. Everyone would go to hell according to Romans 6;23 BUT the gift of God is eternal life thru Jesus Christ in the 2nd half of that verse. God loved us while we were still sinners Romans 5;8.
Continued part 2.....I am getting there.
plzbready 3 years ago
Are you talking about getting saved? You can get saved right now. What you saying?
internetnova 3 years ago
Hi, my brother Ben. Yes, I was talking about salvation. I know you've got Jesus.
plzbready 3 years ago
2.
Finally, Romans 10; 9,10. That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you'll be saved.
I prayed, asked the Lord to forgive my sin. Asked him to make himself known to me. I didn't want to take someone elses word for it. My experience had nothing to do with magic. Several weeks after praying and seeking him with all my heart, I had a supernatural experience that left me with a peace I had never known before.
plzbready 3 years ago
you darksided corrupted arrogant fool your a monster to society your arrogance has led you corrupt
watchthecorruption 3 years ago
Where do you get your t-shirts...tell me. NOW. JK...I just want to glorify God more and have some springboards on the gospel message.
mutamusmaximus 3 years ago
Putting god onto a t-shirt is for his glory? God likes being on t-shirts does he? I suppose you should put satan on your underwear?
Danmill23 3 years ago
lol i just would like more springboards for the gospel message. i would like to use it for His glory. putting God on a t-shirt does nothing.
mutamusmaximus 3 years ago
since we dont have the original manuscript of the Pentateuch, i feel this is an assumption without enough basis. If, however, the Epic of Gilgamesh was written prior to Genesis, it also would not disprove anything, since even the Chinese, the Inka and many others have a flood myth. This would only mean that they (mesopotamians) were the first to record it. It would seem very unlikely that the Inka took their myth from Mesopotamia.
vlado1306 3 years ago
I'm not saying it would disporve the Noah story (the science does a good enough job of that) but given that it is a very similar story but with different characters and given also that it is a sumerian (mesopotamian) story concerning, as the Noah story does, a sumerian character does it not add to my assertion that Noah would worship Sumerian gods? I can't fathom any reason why he would not: indeed if he, like Abraham worshipped a god out of step with the time wouldnt that be remarked upon?
noelplum99 3 years ago
i cant agree, since the evidence you gave from the old testament is a very free interpretation of what is written. I know only what is present, and to make such claims based on mere assumptions and misinterpretations i think is unreasonable, since we have not enough record. its a matter of faith, i guess.
vlado1306 3 years ago
Kripptic, whilst I thank you for your engagement I must ask you a question:
As a Christian i realise it is your duty to try and convert atheists such as myself. However, what i can't get my head round is how you think quoting from the bible is going to do the trick. You think if a buddhist comes on here and starts giving readings from the Pali Canon you would accept that as 'evidence' that you were wrong? First step to converting me is to convince me that your god exists and that jesus is his..
noelplum99 3 years ago
son. You can't honestly expect me to accept jesus when I don't believe either of these things can you? If I told you the first step is to accept Lord Brahma and then you can become a Hindu I can't believe that would really bowl you over?
noelplum99 3 years ago
unfortunately, most people never figure out HOW to seek Christ. I mean, they ask things like, "if you are real, reveal yourself to me", but thats not how it works. Most people who DO eventually "find Him", do so at their lowest point, when there is absolutely NOWHERE ELSE to turn. They fall apart & find themselves begging God to please help them because they cant do it alone! Unwittingly, they submitted totally, & opened themselves up to that life altering embrace that all Christians know.
loveualatte 3 years ago
Actually, they only "find Jesus" in those emotionally vulnerable situations if they are in a predominantly christian culture. Otherwise, they'll grasp at whatever straw is available.
samsroomie 3 years ago
Great short :D
JohnMuise 3 years ago
The truth group yet again exceeds my expectations.
Christianity cannot predate the (supposed) birth date of Jesus. Even the figure of Jesus himself was a Jew, so what manner of madness is this?
Further, it is a scientific fact that the earth has been around for billions of years before humans evolved, the universe estimated at a further 9 billions years before that. I find the notion that something 2000 years old is older than 13.7 billion years odd. Doctor Who is a Christian maybe?
noelplum99 3 years ago
You make me smile. Thank you brother.
mdkbdshan 3 years ago 3
lol @ your poem :)
WaitingforChrist 3 years ago 3
no religon older than christianity.
the religon of the hebrews
the religon of the egyptians
sumerians
hinduism
dude come on!
This is desperate - "My god is older than your god" - therfore turuer????
Danmill23 3 years ago
religion of the hebrews IS Christianity.
(hint: old testament:)
vlado1306 3 years ago 3