Riz Khan Extra - Robert Fisk - 30 Sept 2008

[supuniaththanauyaka]

Naughty Ladies waiting for some one mworld5.info

[supermanpaki]

Islam will win in the end. Capitalism will be destroyed. and All world will come under the banner of Islam

[KnutTutGut8]

@ supermanpaki: Then I will kill myself! So that I deserve hell with my other kafir friends.

I don't want to be in paradise with ignorant and arrogant assholes like you!

Shalom shaverim

[tessler6868]

CharlesDickens99 is either youtube troll or obsessed. silly man haunts fisk videos with curious tenacity...

[Akshirwa]

CharlesDickens99 i respect your views friend but i asure you that Mr Bush does not care about Iraq, there are plenty of evil men that Mr Bush deals with while he was in charge. Many of them are in the Middle East and beyond

[CharlesDickens99]

Saddam Hussein was responsible for the Anfal campaign in the 1980s which killed about 100,000 Kurds. He started the Iran-Iraq war which killed about 1.4 million. After the 1991 Gulf War he brutally suppressed rebellions, killing about 100,000 in the Kurdish North and about 130,000 in the Shia South. Dont you think there is possibility that George Bush did the right thing by removing him from power?

[quickfixyz]

the 100,000 kurds who died by sarin gas, this was supplied by u.s.a, iran-iraq war was proxy war fought by ameirca. do u remember Donald Rumsfield met saddam and hugged him and said he was great leader, why u are 2 faced bit*h,why are u people are hypocrite and live a life of hypocrize, shame on you low life

[totolondon]

robert fisk cant see 911 was inside job which means he is limited view of the world ...run by free masons etc

[mrpossibilities]

I know this is a very shallow comment but the music at the end of the interview is simply put HORRIBLE

[robbfuckingflynn]

"Charlesdickens99" If george bush did do the right thing by removing Saddam from power then why are the Americans still in Iraq, bombing schools and hospitals, 5 and a half years later. America used to love Saddam, and this was at the height of his human rights abuses, but now they need more control over oil in the middle east. And if Bush did care about stopping human rights abuses the explain guantanamo bay or abu ghraib or any other American aggression towards Arabs or muslims in general.

[CharlesDickens99]

Robert Fisk, in one of his columns, praised David Petraeus and said he should go into politics, he would make an excellent president.

I think Fisk is slightly more conservative than many people realize, than even he realizes.

Politicians with military experience are going to be needed in the future because conflict in the Middle-East and around the world is going to get worse.

[Seanyboyh]

Robert Fisk is a living legend and he reaffirms my belief about Obama. He is the best of a bad bunch. I really hoped he would make a difference in the middle east but its not looking like it. Israeli interests right or wrong but mostly wrong will always hold sway over fairness and decency.

[ahassan5]

war war war!!!!!

at least it will be exciting.

I don't support wars but if it happens, make the most out of it.

[CharlesDickens99]

Say what you like about George Bush but he did lift sanctions on Iraq which helped infant mortality in Iraq.

Sanctions which were courtesy of 8 years of Clinton/Democratic White House.

If Barack Obama had his way Saddam Hussein would still be in power and sanctions o would still be in place.

In fact, sanctions would have gone on forever since when Saddam Hussein died his two sons would have taken over from him.

[francinelast]

There are many Iraqis who look back on the days under Saddam as good days - when their kids to go to school without danger, when they had electricity and running water, when Shia and Sunni lived side by side in neighborhoods. Days when women were free to work and to wear the clothes they liked. If it weren't for Bush, sure Saddam may be alive, he may be committing atrocities (though on a smaller scale than the Americans), but maybe 4300 US soldiers and 1 million Iraqis would still be alive.

[CharlesDickens99]

Saddam Hussein was responsible for the Anfal campaign in the 1980s which killed about 100,000 Kurds. He started the Iran-Iraq war which killed about 1.4 million. After the 1991 Gulf War he brutally suppressed rebellions, killing about 100,000 in the Kurdish North and about 130,000 in the Shia South. Dont you think there is possibility that George Bush did the right thing by removing him from power?

[francinelast]

I think Saddam was a vile man and Im glad hes gone, but he wasnt the reason behind the Iraqi war. Im quite sure that if Iraq didnt have oil, Saddam would still be there, much like other despots in Zimbabwe, Uzbekistan and Burma. Saddam was an excuse, but ultimately, the US only really cares about the US.

[francinelast]

AND..The number of casualties caused by the US over the last 50 years, shows that it is responsible for the deaths of more foreign civilians than the reverse. What makes this worse is that its always under the pretence of good and freedom, when really its either ideologically or resource driven.

[Mzembe]

Saddam was def a maniac but why isn't the US going after Mugabe who single handedly destroyed Zimbabwe, or Saudi Arabia where political persecution is as rampant as Iraq under Saddam (it's a known fact that Saudi sponsors a lot of conflicts around the middle east and the US knows it), or Rwanda genocide et al.

The book you mention (promote) by Efraim Karshs is a clear testament of your loyalty towards u-know-who and NO matter what FACT someone writes here, your opinion will NEVER change.

[CharlesDickens99]

Robert Fisk thinks the next American President should be someone with military experience.

He clearly endorses John McCain in this video.

Do you really think Robert Fisk is a pacifist?

At times he would support the idea of a just war.

He is very proud of the fact that his mother, during WW2, spent her time repairing spitfires.

[MononofuBlood]

Charles,

I think this is the second time I've seen this comment of yours, and I have to say I totally disagree with it. Sure, he isn't exactly endorsing Obama, he seems to take the Chomsky position, i.e., they're both the same. But, he is for sure "not" endorsing McCain.

Continued~

[MononofuBlood]

Continuation~

Not only does he scoff at the fact that McCain seems to believe that "being in a war is a good qualification to be a President", but, as you very well heard/saw, he agrees that a McCain administration would be a continuation of the Bush administration. Also, as clearly stated in his talk, "War, Geopolitics, and History" he believes that "now and today is the timezone" for the U.S. to get out of Iraq, which goes completely against McCain's doctrine.

[francinelast]

I don't think he endorses McCain. You should hear him on other shows talking about McCain. I don't think he holds a candle for either candidate, simply because as he says, US foreign policy seems to be set in stone, pro Israel, irrespective of what it does and anti-Arab.

[Squarerig]

An excellent,informative interview.Robert Fisk has,consistently,attempted to enlighten us,the West,about the conditions obtaining in the ME and AMerica's failed policy there.Thanks to Al Jazz.

[TomMarAlem1987]

All this talk of 911 being a 'inside job'. Are we qualified with Physics degrees to claim that the towers fell because of a series of detonations? Are we given all the information about it. We are left to suspicion. The Official story is that it was an attack.

There is historical precendent for malfesence, that is the Reichstag fire before Hitler came to power.

[TomMarAlem1987]

Hello: You are forgetting the fundamentals. America is with Israel regardless of whether it is doing right or wrong. Even if it is doing wrong, America explains it like "Hamas is a terrorist, Hamas is a terrorist." Fatah is in cahoots with Israel, so what do you expect? The US calls legitimate whomever is subordinate to Israel. This is not right and not fair. I acknowledge that Hamas fights using cheap tactics; but arm them with the equivalletn of what Israel has and they will change tactics.

[TomMarAlem1987]

I acknowledge that Hamas fights using cheap tactics; but arm them with the equivallent of what Israel has and they will change tactics

[RG415WBFAA]

Google David Ray Griffin. He is the best person and foremost scholar when it comes to 9/11 revisionism/truth

[Esialpha]

"Bush has screwed up everything in the Middle East, do you really think he could have done 9/11?"

Maybe not Bush.....but Cheney could.

[StealthWarrior1988]

'Maybe not Bush.....but Cheney could. ' - Esialpha.

Just because he could, doesn't mean he would.

9/11 conspiracy theories have lots of interesting evidence, but the conclusions are arbitrary, and are often stretched.

You need concrete evidence to prove that the American government did 9/11.

'true many Arabs like 2 believe 911 is an inside job' - kermanparts.

I wonder why.

[Esialpha]

Stealth: Just because Fisk wouldn't say Cheney would doesn't mean Cheney didn't.

My point is that Cheney's past actions leading up to the Iraqi invasion proves that he is capable of excuting 9/11. According CIA agents, Cheney manipulated the CIA reports on Iraqi's WMD.

In Youtube, check out "Lies that Lead to War", especially the part starting at the end of part 2.

You need concrete evidence to prove any crime. I think that evidence would be found if there was a proper investigation.

[StealthWarrior1988]

Cheney manipulating the reports can mean anything, it doesn't have a strong conviction towards 9/11.

Already been there, and yes you do need concrete evidence. In the science community; you cannot make fantastic or big claims without evidence, in fact before a test of something you're supposed to go in neutrally, so how are you doing that?

Checkout Osama's (or Tim Osman if you prefer) history, where he bombed embassies in Africa, and committed the WTC bombings earlier. He's capable too.

[Esialpha]

Stealth: The issue is, if 911 was an inside job, could Cheney have pulled it off?

I'm arguing yes. We both agree that Cheney doctored the reports of the Central Intelligence Agency concerning Iraq's WMDs. This fact has a couple implications regarding Cheney:

Firstly, it shows that he's intelligent enough to pull off a massive conspiracy.

Secondly it shows that he doesn't value human life. Over 4,000 US soldiers and between 655,000 and 1.2 million Iraqis have been killed.

[StealthWarrior1988]

watch?v=ysx2OxJD1cA

I don't like Cheney, but if we use your reasoning, then we should assume that anyone within a position of power could pull it off (most world governments, including the middle-east).

Just because they can doesn't mean they will. That's historical distortion.

The video above will show that Osama had the means to do it, and that he has committed violent crimes before (bombing of African embassies, and the WTC bombings).

[Esialpha]

Stealth: Our original argument was over whether Cheney could have pulled off 9/11. Are you agreeing with me that he could have?

Ok I'll watch the video.

[StealthWarrior1988]

It's speculation Esialpha, and unless you have concrete evidence of him carrying it out, your theory falls to pieces.

[Esialpha]

Steath: I don't think you understand the question. Let me word it another way:

Whether or not he actually did it, do you think that Cheney had the capability to execute 911? Why yes or no.

I saw the video on Bin Laden. All it proves is that Bid Laden hated the US. This is not "concrete evidence" that Bid Laden committed 911.

[StealthWarrior1988]

Actually it proved that he used his CIA training and funding to commit terrorist acts against America, and that he partook in the WTC bombings a decade earlier. He also bombed American embassies in Africa, so go figure.

Well Cheney would have the capability, yes, but so would any other leader with enough power and corruption. Vladmir Putin is powerful and corrupt, so according to your logic, he could have organised it too. In other words, it's all speculation.

[Esialpha]

Stealth: Your video only talked about Bin Laden's reasons for declaring war on the US in 1996.

My logic is this. In this so called "War on Terror" there have been 2 conspiracies:

The first conspiracy is that the government lied and 911 was an inside job.

The second conspiracy is that the government lied and Iraq did not have WMDs.

We agree that the second conspiracy has proved true and Cheney was at the heart of it. Logically, one must then take seriously the first conspiracy.

[StealthWarrior1988]

Yes, the second scenario is true, although the lies about WMDs were spread by someone else, Cheney just parroted the argument (as did Bush and others).

The circumstances of 9/11 is different to the Iraq war, as we have concrete evidence of evidence against the US government. A lot of the 9/11 theories hold truth, but have no solid conclusion. If Osama was a part of the WTC bombings a decade earlier, according to your logic, why wouldn't he try again?

[Esialpha]

Stealth: Watch "The Lies that lead to War" (especially starting at 7:25 of part 2). It proves that Cheney had direct involvement in the Iraq WMD conspiracy. This is one of the reasons why congressman Kucinich has introduced to Congress an article to impeach Cheney.

watch?v=yyWe5eNBRE8

Maybe Osama would try again, so it's right that he was investigated. What I'm pointing out is that there should have been at least two suspects investigated for the 911 attacks: Osama and Cheney.

[StealthWarrior1988]

Yes, and that is a valid point.

Now we are getting somewhere.

There's a lot of speculation involved, and we need concrete evidence to see what's really going on. There needs to be more investigations.

There is foul play in the US government, and with the Iraq war, WMDs and terrorism was the excuse, but the real reason was cleaning up Bush's fathers mess, as well as oil. Saddam was prying his nose into the oil business, and the Saudis didn't want to lose their monopoly.

[CharlesDickens99]

Denying that Al-Qaida was behind 9/11 is rather like Holocaust denial.

Both choose to ignore the evidence that fascist ideologies were behind these atrocities despite overwhelming evidence.

Rather sadly, 9/11 truthers have much in common with the far-right.

[kermanparts]

true many Arabs like 2 believe 911 is an inside job

[lGnossos]

Much respect for Fisk. I had no idea how ignorant I was about the middle-east until reading his "The Great War for Civilization". I recommend it to anyone who wants to understand a huge part of world history in the last century.

[shegax03]

Great recommendation I ordered in from amazon, and will read it Thanks!

[hasankhalid]

i agree with you too, robert fisk's book is a good one

[abarzilai664]

Those that were blinded by Obamamania won't be happy with Fisk, LOL. But, I do agree that if A war with Iran breaks out it would cause the Middle East to explode.

[pyromania152]

"Bush has screwed up everything in the Middle East, do you really think he could have done 9/11?"

So very very true...

[PeaceandUnity1972]

@pyromania152

bush is to dumb to do anything, hes just another DOG with a leash we cant see

[legalizethegreen]

Nothing will change with Obama, he is a CFR member himself.

[jankren]

Robert Fisk is the man!