"Free and Independent" Tibet just means a vote and a fight for the privatization, cartelization, open-door policy of Tibet and the acquisition of Tibetan slave labor to defend the Ponzi scheme of the US Dollar and IMF.
If the Chinese want to prove that Tibetans are happy under Chinese colonial rule, as they claim, they should let the Tibetans vote in a referendum on independence, similar to those held in places like South Sudan and East Timor. Of course the Chinese know the Tibetans would vote for freedom from China, so they will never allow such a vote. They'd rather keep suppressing Tibetan culture, religion and national feeling and flooding Tibet with Chinese immigrants until Tibet becomes Chinese.
A lot of this is pure nonsense. Tibet was a "feudal" society full of oppressed peasants? Most Tibetans were nomads, not farmers (i.e. they were not peasants). The term feudal can only be applied to agricultural societies, which Tibet was not. Interestingly, even this pro-Chinese so-called historian (who seems rather ignorant of basic historical terminology) concedes that the Chinese did sometimes oppress the Tibetans after they occupied it.
Here I can only see dalai's super life in the past. Hi dalai, great holy slaveowner in the world!!!! Long live dalai ! Long live slavery??? dalai stop lieing OK????
You cant hold the Dalai Lama personally responsible for being a feudal society. After all, he was almost a child presiding over a society that was going through the same social phases as every other society. You can hold him responsible for his response to that system, and his response was to try to change it with respect for its cultural and spiritual traditions. He even supported Mao to this end. Therefore the argument that the DL should not be supported because Tibet was feudal is nonsequitur
Since the peaceful liberation of Tibet in 1951, China has attached unprecedented importance to the preservation of Tibetan cultural heritage. The Central Government has made a series of favorable policies toward the protection and promotion of traditional Tibetan culture in various forms, which have reaped fruitful results.
According to the aid-Tibet program, the State Administration of Cultural Heritage (SACH) and all provincial cultural relic units take positive measures to help the protection of Tibetan cultural relics.
SACH organized special work conferences in 1997, 2001 and 2007 respectively to call on nationwide cultural relics to help and support the preservation of Tibetan cultural relics in aspects of capital, equipment, talents and professional technology with actual fund of over 30 million yuan and relevant equipments.
SACH also assigned 5 groups of cadre specialists from the Palace Museum, the National Museum of China, culture heritage research institute and cultural relic information consultation center to work in Tibet for assistance.
Chinese culture heritage research institute with the Palace Museum and many provincial cultural units has undertaken the survey and design work in several major cultural relics preservation projects, such as the first maintenance of the Potala Palace,
the Norbulingka Palace and the Sakya Monastery) as well as some other key projects in the "Eleventh Five-year Plan" period (2006-2010).
Chinese academy of social sciences archaeological institute and provinces such as Sichuan, Shaanxi and Hunan all offered their aid in the second and third cultural relic censuses, as well as many other censuses and surveys.
He does not have a clue about Tibetan society or history. And he claims himself as historian? This is definitely paid by the chinese. Where did he hear this death tax, birth tax, Tibetan supporting the CIA is lama's sons. These propaganda words are typical communist Chinese words. You read communist documents and you see these same words...... He should shame to call well know his historian. LOL
He is historian? Man this American man is brainwashed or he only researched only communist Chinese documents. This guy is way off the history and what really went on. I could not believe what he is saying. Is he paid by the communist Chinese?
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In the ancient time, every fucking society follow feudal system. Tibet is not exception. Even in china one fucking dynasty controlled other people, and treated them as slave. .
In the ancient time, every fucking society follow feudal system. Tibet is not exception. Even in china one fucking dynasty controlled over the other followers from other dynasty.
If I am a Tibetan, I would rather live in Tibet under Communist China than in a feudal Tibet governed by the God-King Dalai Lama. Communist China is the lesser of the two evils.
@bhaila101 Well, I doubt you know what living means then as well. Just scolding and coming up with lame Lies don't even make a point. You only show how weak you people are and you can't even deffend your statement. You better go search a life, hermit.
@Wdfstygt It seems that you've really got a lack of intelligence telling from your jargon and no sense bullcrp. Next time you better get your facts straight red neck ;) @tom101229 Ehh blabla? I don't even feel for wastin my time to read that copy+paste from you.
Through the 13th Dalai Lama, Legislation was introduced to counter corruption among officials, a national taxation system was established and enforced, and a police force was created. The penal system was revised and made uniform throughout the country. "Capital punishment was completely abolished and corporal punishment was reduced. Living conditions in jails were also improved, and officials were designated to see that these conditions and rules were maintained."
However, after his death, the aristocracy quickly took power, undid everything that he did. The thirteenth Dalai Lama died in 1933, at the age of 57. A peaceful, sober man does not die young. I suspect fowl play was involved.
The Fourteenth Dalai Lama wasn't even installed as Dalai Lama until the Chinese Invasion of 1950.
So there wasn't even a Dalai Lama running Tibet from 1933 to 1950. During that time the Aristocracy (The Tibetan Eunuchs) had ran Tibet, until the Chinese Liberation.
The Chinese Liberation of 1950 of Tibet, which led to the eventual total conquest of Tibet by China in 1959. The 14th Dalai Lama was put into place in 1950, he was exiled in 1959.
In 1956, a series of rebellions had broken. So the exile of the Dalai Lama was not about an act to free the slaves of Tibet. That was done in 1950, with China's invasion/liberation into Tibet. It later became known as an invasions, when the Tibetans realized that the Chinese were not going to leave.
The riots/rebellions were not orchestrated by the Dalai Lama. They were orchestrated by the noblemen and monks who were insistent that the Chinese should leave and as the Chinese refused and had stayed, these Tibetans became furious and so did the former serfs, who also wanted the Chinese gone by this period.
Nearly a million Tibetans had died from 1956 to 1964. I am certain that Tibet did not have a million noblemen as Tibet was largely impoverish and poor.
He was the Dalai Lama after all, even if he told his people to bear down their arms against the Chinese, he would still feel the full brute responsibility even though he was still not in control of his own country. The CIA was with its manipulation of the Tibetan noblemen and former-serfs who rebelled against the PRC.He was the Dalai Lama, you know. The Head of State, even if he is just a ceremonial leader, he is still responsible for what his people do even if he has no control over them.
So the Chinese then attempted to storm the Dalai Lama's palace. The Dalai Lama was protected by his own people and forced to flew by the CIA, which attempted to use his for their own political gain.
What you will find awkward about the Dalai Lama is that throughout this whole time he was a supporter of the Communist Regime. He did however was critical of it of not being truly Communist.
To be communist you cannot be statist, the Dalai Lama knew this well. Mao Zedong did not and did not care.
This is why the Dalai Lama does not want independence. There is a Tibetan Independence Movement, it placed the Dalai Lama as its head, but the Dalai Lama has fully disagree being a part of it. This same movement probably headed by the CIA in reality created a lot of absurdity and then places it on the Dalai Lama as if he had said to motivate the Tibetans to be violent against the Chinese.
So much of the Dalai Lama is distorted, but not so much from China as is from the CIA. That is the truth.
Much of Chinese hatred towards the Dalai Lama is very much rooted in culture towards a dislike in Buddhist Rulers. One time China was ruled by a Buddhist Empress, Wu Zhao or Tian Hou, who had attempted to assert herself as the reincarnation of Buddha himself, the Maitreya.
She was regarded as a very bad ruler even though her ruling implementation was the same as her predecessors. Nevertheless it is from this stigma of her rule that lives today in the how the Chinese view the Dalai Lama.
Nevertheless, the Dalai Lama in all honesty that is not fabricated by the CIA, is a Marxist, a Communist, and does not seek independence from China. He simple seeks better Tibetan-Chinese relations and a more true Communist policy in Tibet.
Problem is, he wants to abolish the use of money and property in Tibet. He wants to abolish the renminbi, the Chinese Yuan, because it is the only way to create a true Communist state. The PRC which has turn greedy, doesn't like that at all. Tis the truth.
The reason why people are forbidden to speak to the Dalai Lama is because the Chinese Government wants you to believe he is a liar (which is a fabrication created by the CIA which has asserted things of the Dalai Lama that the Dalai Lama himself has never said.
All Chinese people, if you ever spoke to the Dalai Lama you would truly honestly believe he is a fellow Communist in all respects and this diminishes the PPC credibility and legitimacy with its people.
Think of this for a single moment, People of China, just for a single moment pretend that the Dalai Lama is actually an honest person and that everything said contrarily in his regards is from someone else (the CIA). And say you spoke with him and you regarded him as a better Communist and a better leader than your current administration in the People's Republic. Given those circumstances, would you or would you not seek to elect the Dalai Lama as the President of China?
You know given that he if is born in China (Tibet), is a Marxist, a pacifist, a true leader, and someone you connect with better than Hu Jintao (your president, Chief Commanding Officer, and General Secretary) that is very likely you would prefer him and replace Hu Jintao with the Dalai Lama, Tenzin Gyatso or Dainzin Gyaco (however you want to spell it) under the Mandate of Heaven. Based on the principles of Confucianism, the Dalai Lama given if these things were true would be the best pick.
The Dalai Lama was 14-15 year old when the Chinese came and took over Tibet.
He was a child, how he could even know what was going on and even if he did, there was nothing he could do. The Dalai Lama actually welcomed the arrival of Chinese Army as Liberators. He didn't went against them until 1959, when he was in his twenties, this was because he felt the Chinese weren't suppose to conquer Tibet, but free it of the Aristocratic lords so the Dalai Lama could install reforms, probably Communist.
Yes there was a brutal, absolutely brutal system of slavery in Tibet that rivals the Israelites in Egypt building the palaces of the Hykso Pharaohs and the Great Wall of China for the Chinese Emperors.
However, the Dalai Lama was just a figure head in this whole system. The Aristocracy ruled Tibet and they used the Dalai Lama as a ceremonial king to insure their authority. This is the same thing that happened in China with the Eunuchs.
It is said that the 13th Dalai Lama, Thubten Gyatso wished to implement reforms in Tibet to industrialize Tibet, bring down the slavery system, he was at least able to build a medical college in Tibet, and he wanted to form relations with Russia.
The 13th Dalai Lama showed an interest in world affairs and introduced electricity, the telephone and the first motor cars [citation needed] to Tibet. Nonetheless, at the end of his life in 1933, he saw that Tibet was about to enter a dark age.
China was run by warlords beofre 1950. Life was rough in and out of Tibet. When people talk about fedualism in Tibet before 1950, they forget to mention most of China was run in the same way.
@IAMBOG And still the same way in China. Most Chinese hate the Communist Party officials, who have turned into the new "lords" and created a new "feudalism" in China.
ya what the fuck this white ass hole know about tibet. hey don't judge the world with your view. for me you and nazis, chinese are seems to carry same view. bitch shut the fuck up, AND DON'T WASTE UR TIME BY POSTING SOME FAKE HISTROY. better go and fuck that chinese who u bring back from china.
"The Tibetans cherish the hard-won happy and stable life and will steadfastly safeguard social stability, ethic unity and national unification. Any attempts to separate Tibet from China are doomed to fail," Padma Choling said.
The regional gross domestic product reached 44.1 billion yuan (6.5 billion U.S. dollars) in 2009, up 12.4 percent against 2008. The net income per capita of farmers and herdsmen saw a year-on-year growth of 11.2 percent to reach 3,532 yuan.
PARIS, Feb. 16 (Xinhua) -- French President Nicolas Sarkozy met with hundreds of Chinese representatives during a reception at Elysee on Tuesday, the first celebration of Chinese Spring Festival at the presidential palace.
At the reception, which aims to co-celebrate the lunar New Year, or Spring Festival, the president greeted happy new year to around 800 Asian attendees, mainly Chinese-French and Chinese visitors living in France.
Stop western media bias - Stop the Dalai Lama's slavery - Stop all the lies and brain-washing. China won't fall in the dirty hands of the west. Support China
@FarewelI fuck china and fuck u .. u fucking communist morons .. u ppl dont have a life in china u ppl are just a remote control of the communist government .. u ppl dont know what living means ...
Scoundrel Dalai Lama is a symbol of surpression and slavery, not freedom and democracy. The tibetan monks revolted against Beijing because Mao said to Dalai Lama that slavery, marrying more than one wife, polyandry and stoning of slutty women in Tibet are no longer allowed when Communists are in power. Mao wants to copy the Western society and wants to completely and totally erase the feudal old ways of living. Then the fucking monks started the revolt. ..........
There are millions of Dorje Shugden believers in Tibet and around world. Obviously, Dalai Lama by declaring war on Dorje Shugden, it only damages Dalai Lama political leadership
If I met the Dalai Lama, maybe I'd break his nose. I think that would be the zen thing to do.
Over the years, I've really grown to respect Mao Zedong. The Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution had a logic and itegrity that you just don't see in today's politics which is all about the interests of corporate goverments.
Has Obama just won the Nobel Peace Prize? For being black or for continuing the occupation of Iraq and Afganistan? What's the world coming to?
Dalai Lama essentially has been engaging in religion-purging, defaming other sectors one by one, trying to make him the only one god in Tibetan regilions. By himself the only god like status in religion, he can pick and reincarnate any Lamas as he wish
Dalai Lama is asking China for religious freedom. Tibetans are asking Dalai Lama for religious freedom.
Dorje Shugden religion is worshiped by 4 millions Buddist Tibetans worldwide for 300 hundred years plus in Tibet.
14th Dalai Lama worshiped Dorje Shugden for 40 years. Dalai's teacher and grand-teacher all worshiped Dorje Shugden. But Dalai lama and his government exil in India banned Dorje Shugden as evil
For the political gain, Dalai Lama wants to be absolutely a ruler, religiously, and politically. Currently, Dalai Lama is de facto king in-exile, but he is not universal religious Tibetan god
Dalai Lama accusing CHina as "cultural genocide". But Dalai Lama himself is doing religious purging under cover for political reasons.
This is very dangrous path that Dalai Lama is walking toward. Those suffered in thousands from India (later moved outside), and those in China are unlikely to accept the fate of religious crack down by Dalai Lama.
That would be the zen thing to do, haha. But I disagree about the Cultural Revolution and GLF. Both were major failures and set China back by many decades to the dismay of millions of Chinese. Agree with the Obama comment.
Oh yes, they both clearly failed, but I respect the intention: that human existance can be more than simply nasty, brutish and short. Capitalism has certainly brought longevity to a great many people, yet for me, the society I live in, seems hauntingly vacuous.
Back to DL. Although Tibetan Buddhism suffered under CCP rule the DL's books in the bookstore might not sell so well if it was known they were ghost witten by the CIA. I don't get why he gets so much sympathy.
The DL gets so much sympathy because 1)bored western hippies want to find a cause so they can take a moral high ground and 2) he is a pawn in international politics.
I think anomie is a huge problem under capitalism but I don't think it is undefeatable. It rises after people took care of their basic needs (food, security, etc.) and then realized there is nothing more to do. People can get past that. However, CR and GLF are artificial (and destructive) ways of creating meaning.
Honestly you do have a good point there. But the underlying question still stands- don't the people of Tibet have the right to be their own nation and not live under chinese oppression all the time?
Rights are granted by force and since they have no force, they have no right. All nations recognize Tibet as part of China and no international law gives Tibetans the right to claim independence. As for oppression, I am not sure if China is really oppressing Tibetans, as claimed by the exiled government. Obviously they would love to regain power but what right do they have? Divine right to rule Tibet is what DL claims. Unfortunately, Tibetans have been oppressed by their own people before CCP.
I don't want to sound harsh in my last comment, but that is how things work in politics. I feel sympathy for Tibetans who genuinely wish for independence and who feel that their culture and religion is being oppressed by the CCP. That is a terrible position for anybody to be in. I sincerely believe that Tibetans, along with other Chinese, will benefit from China's amazing economic growth. Political freedom comes after economic freedom.
In fact you are right. But in China I think they have seen economic freedom as you put it. The point is that the CCP is not ready anytime soon to let any form of political freedom prevail. It's all about keeping China is a way they want it to be. Chinese boys and girls are indoctrinated to believe some very wrong things so they grow up with their minds already "made up" about several issues.
You'd be surprised how fragile the CCP is. It is at the mercy of domestic demand. Now, the vast major of Chinese demand economic opportunities. Wealth inequity is high in China (top 25% Gini coefficient) and not all have economic freedom. The CCP has done an excellent job leading economic development. If they fail doing that, they will be toppled. Don't underestimate Chinese intellectuals--they know what is BS and what is not. China has strong history of scholar dissidents.
Okey , I think Chinese will never let people of Tibet to claim their independence but I'm sure Chinese will take good care of Tibetans EXCEPT the Radical monks. I'm sure CCP will do anything to improve Tibet and all other provinces. The way Westerners Treat Chinese will only make Chinese people angry and more anti Tibetans/Westerners.
By the way you're more intelligent than the most Westerner people i know. The other just keep slandering and bubbling and saying bullshit without even trying to understand what's really going on in Tibet.
According to statistics, the family of the 14th Dalai Lama possessed 27 manors, 30 pastures and more than 6,000 serfs. About 33,000 ke (one ke equals 14 kilograms) of qingke (highland barley), 2,500 ke of butter, two million liang of Tibetan silver, 300 head of cattle, and 175 rolls of pulu (woolen fabric made in Tibet) were squeezed out of its serfs every year.
Fucking the golden dog shit, I know you are group of Chikenese CCP, I know you are Chikenese CCTV group, but you write you are from Taiwan, ha,ha,ha. Fucking you from Taiwan. If you are real from Taiwan, then 100% you are Chinese illegal in Taiwan, so I help you call to Taiwan police man and then immediate police catch you, and let you get out from Taiwan. o.k?
dogshit and all low life tbegs: dreaming to carve up china's territory ? dreaming to ethnic cleansing ? dreaming to reclaim lost stone age feudal aristocratic kingdom ? dreaming to resurrect da lie lama slave master ? dreaming to resurrect da lie lama cult ? dreaming to resurrect polyandry in china ? dreaming to resurrect skinning live slaves ? dreaming to resurrect eye gauging ? stop dreaming !! go suck your da liar lama's cock !! Tibet WAS,IS,and ALWAYS WILL BE a part of China
You know nothing about Tibet just like many other your Chinese fellows who are brainwashed by your Mao and CCP, I met many Chinese individuals in my life, almost all of them know nothing about Tibet. All of them has same thing to say Tibet is part of China and then they will speak me in Chinese language thinking that Tibetans speak Chinese. Some even ask if I speak Mandarin or Cantonese. When I show them Tibetan writing, they are like is that Arabic writing. Few prime example of your ignorance.
"We Tibetans are looking for a legitimate and meaningful autonomy, an arrangement that would enable Tibetans to live within the framework of the Peoples Republic of China. Fulfilling the aspirations of the Tibetan people will
@b0ysc0ut15 In China tibet has 6 million population. If they ALL protest, they can make an independent nation that is bigger than many of current ones.
@b0ysc0ut15 well planned co-ordinated riot is the right name for what happend in tibet in 2008, whyelse would thousands of violet criminals go on the street start to attack people and buring houses down.
@b0ysc0ut15 The protests are mostly led by upper class Tibetans in exile, who incite their cohorts in Tibet to riot.
However, many of the Tibetans who remained in Tibet were the lower classes and the slaves. Often these Tibetans are happy with the improvements in their lives and their increasingly middle class status.
On behalf of all Chinese people, I want to offer the Tibetan people our sincere apologies for the cruelties inflicted upon them by the Chinese government. Tibet has never been and never will be a part of China. I hope one day Tibetans will receive the freedom that they need and deserve. I am ashamed of what the communist government and the CCP has done in Tibet. I hope that one day Tibet will again be free and regain its independence and sovereignty. I am sorry for the evils you have suffered.
Today, the religion, culture, language and identity, which successive generations of Tibetans have considered more precious than their lives, are nearing extinction, said the Dalai Lama, 73, the spiritual leader of Tibetans. The Dalai Lama reiterated that such autonomy had been promised to Tibet by Mao and other senior Chinese leaders These thrust Tibetans into such depths of suffering and hardship that they literally experienced hell on earth, the Dalai Lama said.
The Dalai Lama demanded, in his "five-point peace plan" in 1987and the "seven-point new suggestions" in 1988, that the Chinese troops and military facilities be withdrawn from Tibet. He also demanded that people of Han ethnic group stop settling in Tibet, and that those who have already settled in move out.
Dali Lama wants independence for his own country. What is wrong with that? Yes, Tibet was a medieval country, but that is not the fault of the Dali Lama, as he was just a boy. He doesnt want a return to those days. He is quite progressive. We all change. England use to be feudal, but we got rid of it without China's help.
Dalai Lama was in his twenties in the 1950s and he showed no inclination to reform. "as he was just a boy"....what a naive description of him? would you call a 20-year-old male "a boy"?
Evidence shows Dalai Lama in the 1950s is the equivalent of the Pope in the medieval era. Could the Pople represent all Europeans in the medieval era? if now, how can Dala Lama claim his will represents the will of the tibetan people?
At the time when the Dali Lama was in Tibet, he was still a young man coming to terms with his accension. His main worries were the growing threat of China under Mao. The Dali Lama didnt initiate any reforms, but, to be fair, he didn''t really have the time to do it. Not only that, political power was in the hands of the aristocracy.
What Tibet needed was a revolution to get rid of that aristocracy. What it got instead was an invasion by a foreign force, a force that subjegated the population and started a process of colonisation. The Dali Lama may not have talked about reform in the 1950s, - he was mainly concerned about independence - but he has had plenty of time to refect on Tibet's future and this is where his progressive views have developed.
Dalai Lama essentially has been engaging in religion-purging, defaming other sectors one by one, trying to make him the only one god in Tibetan regilions. By himself the only god like status in religion, he can pick and reincarnate any Lamas as he wish
Dorje Shugden was worshipped for close to 400 hundred years. Now 14th Dalai Lama wants to change that, this is change of old practise. There is religious split now happening.
Dalai Lama was and is political king among Tibetans
Dalai Lama accusing CHina as "cultural genocide". But Dalai Lama himself is doing religious purging under cover for political reasons.
This is very dangrous path that Dalai Lama is walking toward. Those suffered in thousands from India (later moved outside), and those in China are unlikely to accept the fate of religious crack down by Dalai Lama.
Somehow I feel the real Dalai Lama is a man between the description of China and the West. He is not that evil as told by Beijing but definitely not that holy at all as being widely praised in the west. I don't think guy like Richard Gere knows well of the old tibetan history, he just totally follow the stories told by the Tibetans in exile, if he really travel in Tibet, study history seriously and listen not just to the tibetans but also to the chinese, he may reach an entirely different story
I'm no fan of the Dalai Lama and I think the Free Tibet campaign is ridiculous, misguided and completely an unwarranted interference in China's internal affairs. Having said that, however, who is this person being interviewed? Can we at least get a name so we can do some research on his background ourselves?
Stupid video. Tibet was isolated for centuries. It was definitely in need of reform. That being said let us remember the Americans were not that far removed from slavery and still treated African Americans as second class citizens long after slavery was abolished. Not to mention the fact that America at that time was not far removed from treating women like crap. As for China, many scholars and travelers agree that things at that time were far worst in China than in Tibet.
Follow the news, go to Tibet, "strike hard" campaign going on right now. More than 6,000 Tibetans interrogated, one young man beaten to death, hundreds arrested for refusing to celebrate the Tibetan New Year. Can you imagine being arrested because you refuse to celebrate the New Year? What a joke! Note; the last Chinese mission rep in Lhasa prior to invasion said Tibet was independent. I suppose he was a trader, was insane, or whatever? It's always something.
Every major news outlet in the world has covered these stories. Get a clue. Of course, in China the stories read quite differently. Something like, in a plan orchestrated by the Dalai Lama Tibetan terrorists (who China claims are Chinese) dropped from the sky and attacked innocent Chinese soldiers and police who were guarding monasteries and the Potala Palace, once the home of great Chinese conquerors and emperors.
I think most Zang ethnic minorities (Tibetans) activists, living outside of their motherland, China and a small number inside China, including a small minority of Western sympathisers have realized that they have lost a lot of respect in the International Communities today. The disruptions of the Olympic Torch, The Beijing Games, The riots in Lhasa, Xizang (Tibet) province of China in March 2008, and many other disruptive demonstrations had been condemn by people worldwide. Peace to the world.
Chinese Communist Party has killed more than 100M Han chinese, those Wu Mao work for them they are PRIVILEDGE of the communist party, they are not ordinary chinese, they stink!
Let me guess your another Wu Mao, an economic migrant outside China your not even in China, your close of the stupid communist party and you work for them. So FUCK YOU
Dalai Lama was not a democratic-elected leader, but chosen by a few monks who believed he was the reincarnation of the previous god-king. Living in luxury in his palace, he as a Buddhist, did not practise loving-kindness & compassion to liberate his people from povery, slavery, injustice and many unspeakable sufferings, despite having the power to do so. Now when he lost that power, he wants to "help" "his" people. I am not Chinese national & neither do I support a communist China.
The Mongols and Manchus came and became one of us. When Huang Taiji (Manchu emperor) took Beijing he gave the late Ming emperor a royal burial. Hans defended Qing empire (including Tibet ) for our Manchu monarchs for centuries. When the Japanese came, they came to rob us. It's not the same. If you argue that China needs to be particularly sensitive to Tibetans spiritually, I would agree with you.
Why would Hans want to erase Tibetan language and culture? Most Hans adores the songs, dances, cultures of other ethnicities in China. Even our traditional women wedding gown "qipao" was of Manchu origin. If you argue that Hans is erasing theocracy/serfdom from Tibet, that's true. If you argue that the earlier collectivism forced upon Tibet failed miserably, that would be true too. If you argue that Hans are marginalizing Tibet's language and culture, it is not true.
It pleases you to say that Chinese are the lowest in social status doesn't it? I'm not even going to argue with you on this. As for the motto: "Rebel against Manchu, and restore ming" was a slogan in the early Qing not when Qing monarchy collapse. Han didn't overthrow Manchu because it was Han versus Manchu. Manchu was overthrow because it had failed politically and economically, it was because it has rejected constitutional monarchy suggested by Guangxu emperor and his Hans advisers.
You argue that the there were no Hans running in the court of Qing, I will correct you that every position in Qing had both a Han and Manchu official designated by different symbol on your robe for check and balance b't Manchu and Hans. Example, the general Lin Zexu who burned Britains' opium ship and started the first opium war was Han ruling both Guangdong and Guangxi province.
Realtruehistory, We Chinese are very aware of our history, our failures, successes. We are more critical about our own more than you will ever know. We don't need to distort history, no one can. To you, China was a colony to Mongol and Manchu, and Tibet is an occupation. To us, it's about restoring our country that have fallen apart in the last 100 years. The desire to reclaim all lost territory and glory burns in our hearts for so long is something you may never understand. Peace.
If Qing's military weren't majority Chinese, then how in the world were the warlords -- ex Qing generals and army -- that fought each other after the fall of Qing's monarchy -- were all Chinese? Unless you think they just like to take up Chinese names.
Qing was a Manchu empire, it also became Chinese empire. It's called assimilation. No sensible Chinese is arguing that the border of Qing's empire was credited to Han Chinese. After 300 years of mixing in the melting pot, can you really separate the people of Qing? They became a new nation called China, and now we are all Chinese whether anyone likes it or not.
The Chinese, Korean, Hispanic, etc in America are call Chinese, Korean, Hispanic American respectively. When Obama was asked if he is black or American and he said he American. Chinese in America are part of US history not China's. You really think you know Chinese history better than Chinese? And you think you know a Manchu better than the Manchu?
Do not mislead here, Qing dynasty is a part of chinese history, China is a multi-ethnic country, and Chinese include Manzhu, Han, Tibetan etc. I am Manzhu and I am also Chinese.
The fact the both Mongols and Manchus chose Chinese words -- Yuan and Qing -- for their dynastic names is enough to signify their bonds to Hans Chinese hereafter. We were not the same people, but history has made us into one, and one nation, indivisible we will be.
ehh, and how do you know? Yah right, continue assuming that and think that you are the smartest person on Earth when in true fact, you have an intelligence of a 3 year old.
if china is so evil, and have killed, tortured tibetans like hell, tibet should have been closed for 58 years and it could never become world famours tourist site.
Final a rational fact-based offering on the subject o Tibetan history. This piece approaches the standard that is a canard at Fox News: "Fair & balanced." If you had the life-choice of slavery in a medieval theocracy or perpetual grinding labor with inane indoctrination in a Chinese faux-communist worker's paradise, wouldn't you ask for a third choice? "More... More, please"...jt
He was only 15. I doubt he even knew or was aware of the abuses. He was as much a tool as those being oppressed. This video is no excuse for the abuses of China.
Sadly, there are still many ignorants out there who thinks Chinese government is the real devil and Dalai Lama is the real god, when the truth is the exact opposite.
He is pretty accurate except it was actually much worse than he has stated. My best friend's grandparents lived through it. I wished had written a memoir of their life in Tibet during the Dalai Lama rule.I loved asking them questions,unlike my friend who wasnt at all interested. The stories they shared about their past & what they witnessed would give you goose bumps & make your hair stand.They were very thankful to China for saving the Tibetians from the D. Lama's oppressive rule.
Unbelievable to see that Dalai Lama actually is the biggest liar in the world! Most of Tibet was slaves and live under horrible oppression under his rule. Now he became as if an angel and want to rule back in Tibet? Huh? He has become a ba****rd political tool? Sorry, my conscience talk so loud seeing and imagining these slaves were cut their hands, skin alive, etc. I think DL should be thrown to jail of human right abuses and his Nobel Prize is BS.
Michael Parenti (born 1933) is an American political scientist, historian, and media critic.
Parenti received his Ph.D. in political science from Yale University and has taught at several universities, colleges, and other institutions. He is the author of twenty books and many more articles. His works have been translated into at least eighteen languages.
"Free and Independent" Tibet just means a vote and a fight for the privatization, cartelization, open-door policy of Tibet and the acquisition of Tibetan slave labor to defend the Ponzi scheme of the US Dollar and IMF.
spiriteverest 4 months ago
If the Chinese want to prove that Tibetans are happy under Chinese colonial rule, as they claim, they should let the Tibetans vote in a referendum on independence, similar to those held in places like South Sudan and East Timor. Of course the Chinese know the Tibetans would vote for freedom from China, so they will never allow such a vote. They'd rather keep suppressing Tibetan culture, religion and national feeling and flooding Tibet with Chinese immigrants until Tibet becomes Chinese.
evsxrk 6 months ago
A lot of this is pure nonsense. Tibet was a "feudal" society full of oppressed peasants? Most Tibetans were nomads, not farmers (i.e. they were not peasants). The term feudal can only be applied to agricultural societies, which Tibet was not. Interestingly, even this pro-Chinese so-called historian (who seems rather ignorant of basic historical terminology) concedes that the Chinese did sometimes oppress the Tibetans after they occupied it.
evsxrk 6 months ago
Here I can only see dalai's super life in the past. Hi dalai, great holy slaveowner in the world!!!! Long live dalai ! Long live slavery??? dalai stop lieing OK????
tomlovegod 6 months ago
hei that was before 1959. i was not born that time. but now we young star we believe in democracy. but they had the sophisticated weapon
tenzashang1 6 months ago
hei that was before 1959. i was not born that time. but now we young star we believe in democracy.
tenzashang1 6 months ago
You cant hold the Dalai Lama personally responsible for being a feudal society. After all, he was almost a child presiding over a society that was going through the same social phases as every other society. You can hold him responsible for his response to that system, and his response was to try to change it with respect for its cultural and spiritual traditions. He even supported Mao to this end. Therefore the argument that the DL should not be supported because Tibet was feudal is nonsequitur
dollarability 7 months ago
Since the peaceful liberation of Tibet in 1951, China has attached unprecedented importance to the preservation of Tibetan cultural heritage. The Central Government has made a series of favorable policies toward the protection and promotion of traditional Tibetan culture in various forms, which have reaped fruitful results.
mispistoIeros 8 months ago
According to the aid-Tibet program, the State Administration of Cultural Heritage (SACH) and all provincial cultural relic units take positive measures to help the protection of Tibetan cultural relics.
mispistoIeros 8 months ago
SACH organized special work conferences in 1997, 2001 and 2007 respectively to call on nationwide cultural relics to help and support the preservation of Tibetan cultural relics in aspects of capital, equipment, talents and professional technology with actual fund of over 30 million yuan and relevant equipments.
mispistoIeros 8 months ago
SACH also assigned 5 groups of cadre specialists from the Palace Museum, the National Museum of China, culture heritage research institute and cultural relic information consultation center to work in Tibet for assistance.
Chinese culture heritage research institute with the Palace Museum and many provincial cultural units has undertaken the survey and design work in several major cultural relics preservation projects, such as the first maintenance of the Potala Palace,
mispistoIeros 8 months ago
the Norbulingka Palace and the Sakya Monastery) as well as some other key projects in the "Eleventh Five-year Plan" period (2006-2010).
Chinese academy of social sciences archaeological institute and provinces such as Sichuan, Shaanxi and Hunan all offered their aid in the second and third cultural relic censuses, as well as many other censuses and surveys.
mispistoIeros 8 months ago
Where are the sources? This makes me sick. Everyone say "NI HAO", cause the Chinese government are surely the ones posting this bile.
gamma235 9 months ago
中共如不能消滅西藏人民 , 就必須與西藏人民談判 ; 不然 , 達賴逝世後 ,
西藏人將失去領袖中心; 可能有暴力主義者崛起 , 那就極險惡了 !!!
davidcheung2010 10 months ago
He does not have a clue about Tibetan society or history. And he claims himself as historian? This is definitely paid by the chinese. Where did he hear this death tax, birth tax, Tibetan supporting the CIA is lama's sons. These propaganda words are typical communist Chinese words. You read communist documents and you see these same words...... He should shame to call well know his historian. LOL
Onefreeman1000 1 year ago
He is historian? Man this American man is brainwashed or he only researched only communist Chinese documents. This guy is way off the history and what really went on. I could not believe what he is saying. Is he paid by the communist Chinese?
Onefreeman1000 1 year ago
what an absolute crock of shit
yeahmandudeguy 1 year ago
Tibet is a Region Under Siege!
The FASCIST CCP REGIME is a Detested Dictatorship THAT OCCUPIES TIBET!
The Capital, Lhasa, is now 65% Inhabited by Han Chinese!
Security Police, Military officers and security checks are Everywhere, with Video Cameras trained unabashedly on Tourists!
With the opening of the railroad from Beijing to Lhasa, and increasing Crackdowns on Protests!
Tibetans see the beginning of the End of their Unique Religion and Culture!
Long Live His Holiness The 14th Dalai Lama!
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Stop western media bias - Stop the Dalai Lama's slavery - Stop all the lies and brain-washing. China won't fall in the dirty hands of the west. Support China
fdoca 1 year ago
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In the ancient time, every fucking society follow feudal system. Tibet is not exception. Even in china one fucking dynasty controlled other people, and treated them as slave. .
tdorjee040 1 year ago
In the ancient time, every fucking society follow feudal system. Tibet is not exception. Even in china one fucking dynasty controlled over the other followers from other dynasty.
tdorjee040 1 year ago
Maybe we should learn from history?
whattheheckevr 1 year ago
If I am a Tibetan, I would rather live in Tibet under Communist China than in a feudal Tibet governed by the God-King Dalai Lama. Communist China is the lesser of the two evils.
chwh66h 1 year ago
FREE TIBET!
magictst1 1 year ago
@magictst1
fvck dharam useless retarded and lazy tbegs !
fvck cult master da lie lama !
fvck all the anti china racists, fascists and terrorists !
let all these anti christ ass holes burn in hell !
goldenkey007 1 year ago
@bhaila101 Well, I doubt you know what living means then as well. Just scolding and coming up with lame Lies don't even make a point. You only show how weak you people are and you can't even deffend your statement. You better go search a life, hermit.
FarewelI 1 year ago
@Wdfstygt It seems that you've really got a lack of intelligence telling from your jargon and no sense bullcrp. Next time you better get your facts straight red neck ;) @tom101229 Ehh blabla? I don't even feel for wastin my time to read that copy+paste from you.
FarewelI 1 year ago
Through the 13th Dalai Lama, Legislation was introduced to counter corruption among officials, a national taxation system was established and enforced, and a police force was created. The penal system was revised and made uniform throughout the country. "Capital punishment was completely abolished and corporal punishment was reduced. Living conditions in jails were also improved, and officials were designated to see that these conditions and rules were maintained."
Tom101229 1 year ago
However, after his death, the aristocracy quickly took power, undid everything that he did. The thirteenth Dalai Lama died in 1933, at the age of 57. A peaceful, sober man does not die young. I suspect fowl play was involved.
The Fourteenth Dalai Lama wasn't even installed as Dalai Lama until the Chinese Invasion of 1950.
So there wasn't even a Dalai Lama running Tibet from 1933 to 1950. During that time the Aristocracy (The Tibetan Eunuchs) had ran Tibet, until the Chinese Liberation.
Tom101229 1 year ago
The Chinese Liberation of 1950 of Tibet, which led to the eventual total conquest of Tibet by China in 1959. The 14th Dalai Lama was put into place in 1950, he was exiled in 1959.
In 1956, a series of rebellions had broken. So the exile of the Dalai Lama was not about an act to free the slaves of Tibet. That was done in 1950, with China's invasion/liberation into Tibet. It later became known as an invasions, when the Tibetans realized that the Chinese were not going to leave.
Tom101229 1 year ago
The riots/rebellions were not orchestrated by the Dalai Lama. They were orchestrated by the noblemen and monks who were insistent that the Chinese should leave and as the Chinese refused and had stayed, these Tibetans became furious and so did the former serfs, who also wanted the Chinese gone by this period.
Nearly a million Tibetans had died from 1956 to 1964. I am certain that Tibet did not have a million noblemen as Tibet was largely impoverish and poor.
The Dalai Lama was put into it.
Tom101229 1 year ago
He was the Dalai Lama after all, even if he told his people to bear down their arms against the Chinese, he would still feel the full brute responsibility even though he was still not in control of his own country. The CIA was with its manipulation of the Tibetan noblemen and former-serfs who rebelled against the PRC.He was the Dalai Lama, you know. The Head of State, even if he is just a ceremonial leader, he is still responsible for what his people do even if he has no control over them.
Tom101229 1 year ago
So the Chinese then attempted to storm the Dalai Lama's palace. The Dalai Lama was protected by his own people and forced to flew by the CIA, which attempted to use his for their own political gain.
What you will find awkward about the Dalai Lama is that throughout this whole time he was a supporter of the Communist Regime. He did however was critical of it of not being truly Communist.
To be communist you cannot be statist, the Dalai Lama knew this well. Mao Zedong did not and did not care.
Tom101229 1 year ago
This is why the Dalai Lama does not want independence. There is a Tibetan Independence Movement, it placed the Dalai Lama as its head, but the Dalai Lama has fully disagree being a part of it. This same movement probably headed by the CIA in reality created a lot of absurdity and then places it on the Dalai Lama as if he had said to motivate the Tibetans to be violent against the Chinese.
So much of the Dalai Lama is distorted, but not so much from China as is from the CIA. That is the truth.
Tom101229 1 year ago
Much of Chinese hatred towards the Dalai Lama is very much rooted in culture towards a dislike in Buddhist Rulers. One time China was ruled by a Buddhist Empress, Wu Zhao or Tian Hou, who had attempted to assert herself as the reincarnation of Buddha himself, the Maitreya.
She was regarded as a very bad ruler even though her ruling implementation was the same as her predecessors. Nevertheless it is from this stigma of her rule that lives today in the how the Chinese view the Dalai Lama.
Tom101229 1 year ago
Nevertheless, the Dalai Lama in all honesty that is not fabricated by the CIA, is a Marxist, a Communist, and does not seek independence from China. He simple seeks better Tibetan-Chinese relations and a more true Communist policy in Tibet.
Problem is, he wants to abolish the use of money and property in Tibet. He wants to abolish the renminbi, the Chinese Yuan, because it is the only way to create a true Communist state. The PRC which has turn greedy, doesn't like that at all. Tis the truth.
Tom101229 1 year ago
The reason why people are forbidden to speak to the Dalai Lama is because the Chinese Government wants you to believe he is a liar (which is a fabrication created by the CIA which has asserted things of the Dalai Lama that the Dalai Lama himself has never said.
All Chinese people, if you ever spoke to the Dalai Lama you would truly honestly believe he is a fellow Communist in all respects and this diminishes the PPC credibility and legitimacy with its people.
Tom101229 1 year ago
Think of this for a single moment, People of China, just for a single moment pretend that the Dalai Lama is actually an honest person and that everything said contrarily in his regards is from someone else (the CIA). And say you spoke with him and you regarded him as a better Communist and a better leader than your current administration in the People's Republic. Given those circumstances, would you or would you not seek to elect the Dalai Lama as the President of China?
Tom101229 1 year ago
You know given that he if is born in China (Tibet), is a Marxist, a pacifist, a true leader, and someone you connect with better than Hu Jintao (your president, Chief Commanding Officer, and General Secretary) that is very likely you would prefer him and replace Hu Jintao with the Dalai Lama, Tenzin Gyatso or Dainzin Gyaco (however you want to spell it) under the Mandate of Heaven. Based on the principles of Confucianism, the Dalai Lama given if these things were true would be the best pick.
Tom101229 1 year ago
The Dalai Lama was 14-15 year old when the Chinese came and took over Tibet.
He was a child, how he could even know what was going on and even if he did, there was nothing he could do. The Dalai Lama actually welcomed the arrival of Chinese Army as Liberators. He didn't went against them until 1959, when he was in his twenties, this was because he felt the Chinese weren't suppose to conquer Tibet, but free it of the Aristocratic lords so the Dalai Lama could install reforms, probably Communist.
Tom101229 1 year ago
Here is what people don't know about Tibet.
Yes there was a brutal, absolutely brutal system of slavery in Tibet that rivals the Israelites in Egypt building the palaces of the Hykso Pharaohs and the Great Wall of China for the Chinese Emperors.
However, the Dalai Lama was just a figure head in this whole system. The Aristocracy ruled Tibet and they used the Dalai Lama as a ceremonial king to insure their authority. This is the same thing that happened in China with the Eunuchs.
Tom101229 1 year ago
It is said that the 13th Dalai Lama, Thubten Gyatso wished to implement reforms in Tibet to industrialize Tibet, bring down the slavery system, he was at least able to build a medical college in Tibet, and he wanted to form relations with Russia.
The 13th Dalai Lama showed an interest in world affairs and introduced electricity, the telephone and the first motor cars [citation needed] to Tibet. Nonetheless, at the end of his life in 1933, he saw that Tibet was about to enter a dark age.
Tom101229 1 year ago
stupid chinese, believing everything their ilegitimate, corrupt government fat-feed them.
tseringmckenzie 1 year ago
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Before 1949, the Tibetans have lived better than the majority of the Chinese in China.
After 1949, both countries have experienced hell on earth.
Turfan369 1 year ago
China was run by warlords beofre 1950. Life was rough in and out of Tibet. When people talk about fedualism in Tibet before 1950, they forget to mention most of China was run in the same way.
IAMBOG 1 year ago
@IAMBOG And still the same way in China. Most Chinese hate the Communist Party officials, who have turned into the new "lords" and created a new "feudalism" in China.
shiningc323 1 year ago
ya what the fuck this white ass hole know about tibet. hey don't judge the world with your view. for me you and nazis, chinese are seems to carry same view. bitch shut the fuck up, AND DON'T WASTE UR TIME BY POSTING SOME FAKE HISTROY. better go and fuck that chinese who u bring back from china.
jackidol1 1 year ago
pandas are indeed very cute animals !
pandas hunt bamboo for a living !
people of the whole world love pandas !
dharam tbegs are nasty low life scum animals !
dharam tbegs beg and cheat for a living !
the whole world hates dharam tbeg useless animals !
goldenkey007 1 year ago
"The Tibetans cherish the hard-won happy and stable life and will steadfastly safeguard social stability, ethic unity and national unification. Any attempts to separate Tibet from China are doomed to fail," Padma Choling said.
The regional gross domestic product reached 44.1 billion yuan (6.5 billion U.S. dollars) in 2009, up 12.4 percent against 2008. The net income per capita of farmers and herdsmen saw a year-on-year growth of 11.2 percent to reach 3,532 yuan.
dharam tbegs what is your gdp ?
goldenkey007 1 year ago
So it is true an unbiased bcoz it is done by an American .... Hm....
rkerr1974 1 year ago
god, if the historian is so famous could you at least put up his name
bummer2000 1 year ago
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At the reception, which aims to co-celebrate the lunar New Year, or Spring Festival, the president greeted happy new year to around 800 Asian attendees, mainly Chinese-French and Chinese visitors living in France.
obviously no dharam tbeg animals were invited !
lol.....
goldenkey007 1 year ago
Stop western media bias - Stop the Dalai Lama's slavery - Stop all the lies and brain-washing. China won't fall in the dirty hands of the west. Support China
FarewelI 1 year ago 12
@FarewelI fuck you chinks are the weak dirty ones ,there is no unity in china with 250 different ethnic groups u ignorant white marxist pussy
wdsftygt 1 year ago
@FarewelI fuck china and fuck u .. u fucking communist morons .. u ppl dont have a life in china u ppl are just a remote control of the communist government .. u ppl dont know what living means ...
bhaila101 1 year ago
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ཨོཾ་ཏཱ་རེ་ཏུ་ཏཱ་རེ་ཏཱ་རེ་སྭ་ཧ་ ༑ Om Tare Tuttare Ture Svoha
Tara bless all beings
Today instead of fighting
Please consider the children in the mountains
Auspicious losar protect them
Mother Tara hold them
May the million Buddhas come as soft snowflakes
No bullets rip, no batons hit, no soldiers kill.
ཨོཾ་ཏཱ་རེ་ཏུ་ཏཱ་རེ་ཏཱ་རེ་སྭ་ཧ་ ༑ Om Tare Tuttare Ture Svoha
TibetHeart 1 year ago
dogshit and all tbegs
want sympathy for your tbeg cause??
try to claim mental disorder !
it did not work for that shaikh drug trafficker, but it might work for you tbegs !
suggest to give it a try !
hahahahahahaha..........
goldenkey007 2 years ago 3
Scoundrel Dalai Lama is a symbol of surpression and slavery, not freedom and democracy. The tibetan monks revolted against Beijing because Mao said to Dalai Lama that slavery, marrying more than one wife, polyandry and stoning of slutty women in Tibet are no longer allowed when Communists are in power. Mao wants to copy the Western society and wants to completely and totally erase the feudal old ways of living. Then the fucking monks started the revolt. ..........
goldenkey007 2 years ago
There are millions of Dorje Shugden believers in Tibet and around world. Obviously, Dalai Lama by declaring war on Dorje Shugden, it only damages Dalai Lama political leadership
hisphoninesss 2 years ago
If I met the Dalai Lama, maybe I'd break his nose. I think that would be the zen thing to do.
Over the years, I've really grown to respect Mao Zedong. The Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution had a logic and itegrity that you just don't see in today's politics which is all about the interests of corporate goverments.
Has Obama just won the Nobel Peace Prize? For being black or for continuing the occupation of Iraq and Afganistan? What's the world coming to?
Rhizomio 2 years ago
Dalai Lama essentially has been engaging in religion-purging, defaming other sectors one by one, trying to make him the only one god in Tibetan regilions. By himself the only god like status in religion, he can pick and reincarnate any Lamas as he wish
hisphoninesss 2 years ago
Dalai Lama is asking China for religious freedom. Tibetans are asking Dalai Lama for religious freedom.
Dorje Shugden religion is worshiped by 4 millions Buddist Tibetans worldwide for 300 hundred years plus in Tibet.
14th Dalai Lama worshiped Dorje Shugden for 40 years. Dalai's teacher and grand-teacher all worshiped Dorje Shugden. But Dalai lama and his government exil in India banned Dorje Shugden as evil
hisphoninesss 2 years ago
For the political gain, Dalai Lama wants to be absolutely a ruler, religiously, and politically. Currently, Dalai Lama is de facto king in-exile, but he is not universal religious Tibetan god
hisphoninesss 2 years ago
Dalai Lama accusing CHina as "cultural genocide". But Dalai Lama himself is doing religious purging under cover for political reasons.
This is very dangrous path that Dalai Lama is walking toward. Those suffered in thousands from India (later moved outside), and those in China are unlikely to accept the fate of religious crack down by Dalai Lama.
hisphoninesss 2 years ago
That would be the zen thing to do, haha. But I disagree about the Cultural Revolution and GLF. Both were major failures and set China back by many decades to the dismay of millions of Chinese. Agree with the Obama comment.
muaytb1 2 years ago
Oh yes, they both clearly failed, but I respect the intention: that human existance can be more than simply nasty, brutish and short. Capitalism has certainly brought longevity to a great many people, yet for me, the society I live in, seems hauntingly vacuous.
Back to DL. Although Tibetan Buddhism suffered under CCP rule the DL's books in the bookstore might not sell so well if it was known they were ghost witten by the CIA. I don't get why he gets so much sympathy.
Rhizomio 2 years ago
The DL gets so much sympathy because 1)bored western hippies want to find a cause so they can take a moral high ground and 2) he is a pawn in international politics.
I think anomie is a huge problem under capitalism but I don't think it is undefeatable. It rises after people took care of their basic needs (food, security, etc.) and then realized there is nothing more to do. People can get past that. However, CR and GLF are artificial (and destructive) ways of creating meaning.
muaytb1 2 years ago
Honestly you do have a good point there. But the underlying question still stands- don't the people of Tibet have the right to be their own nation and not live under chinese oppression all the time?
kakompo 2 years ago
Rights are granted by force and since they have no force, they have no right. All nations recognize Tibet as part of China and no international law gives Tibetans the right to claim independence. As for oppression, I am not sure if China is really oppressing Tibetans, as claimed by the exiled government. Obviously they would love to regain power but what right do they have? Divine right to rule Tibet is what DL claims. Unfortunately, Tibetans have been oppressed by their own people before CCP.
muaytb1 2 years ago
I don't want to sound harsh in my last comment, but that is how things work in politics. I feel sympathy for Tibetans who genuinely wish for independence and who feel that their culture and religion is being oppressed by the CCP. That is a terrible position for anybody to be in. I sincerely believe that Tibetans, along with other Chinese, will benefit from China's amazing economic growth. Political freedom comes after economic freedom.
muaytb1 2 years ago
In fact you are right. But in China I think they have seen economic freedom as you put it. The point is that the CCP is not ready anytime soon to let any form of political freedom prevail. It's all about keeping China is a way they want it to be. Chinese boys and girls are indoctrinated to believe some very wrong things so they grow up with their minds already "made up" about several issues.
kakompo 2 years ago 2
You'd be surprised how fragile the CCP is. It is at the mercy of domestic demand. Now, the vast major of Chinese demand economic opportunities. Wealth inequity is high in China (top 25% Gini coefficient) and not all have economic freedom. The CCP has done an excellent job leading economic development. If they fail doing that, they will be toppled. Don't underestimate Chinese intellectuals--they know what is BS and what is not. China has strong history of scholar dissidents.
muaytb1 2 years ago 2
Okey , I think Chinese will never let people of Tibet to claim their independence but I'm sure Chinese will take good care of Tibetans EXCEPT the Radical monks. I'm sure CCP will do anything to improve Tibet and all other provinces. The way Westerners Treat Chinese will only make Chinese people angry and more anti Tibetans/Westerners.
davin9876 2 years ago
By the way you're more intelligent than the most Westerner people i know. The other just keep slandering and bubbling and saying bullshit without even trying to understand what's really going on in Tibet.
davin9876 2 years ago 3
According to statistics, the family of the 14th Dalai Lama possessed 27 manors, 30 pastures and more than 6,000 serfs. About 33,000 ke (one ke equals 14 kilograms) of qingke (highland barley), 2,500 ke of butter, two million liang of Tibetan silver, 300 head of cattle, and 175 rolls of pulu (woolen fabric made in Tibet) were squeezed out of its serfs every year.
hisphoninesss 2 years ago
His Holiness...
pope is "his holiness" too, and you know what? the fucking pope has enough real estate to pay off the US debt.
jetsamjetsam 2 years ago
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Fucking the golden dog shit, I know you are group of Chikenese CCP, I know you are Chikenese CCTV group, but you write you are from Taiwan, ha,ha,ha. Fucking you from Taiwan. If you are real from Taiwan, then 100% you are Chinese illegal in Taiwan, so I help you call to Taiwan police man and then immediate police catch you, and let you get out from Taiwan. o.k?
sonamtw888 2 years ago
goldenkey007 2 years ago
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You know nothing about Tibet just like many other your Chinese fellows who are brainwashed by your Mao and CCP, I met many Chinese individuals in my life, almost all of them know nothing about Tibet. All of them has same thing to say Tibet is part of China and then they will speak me in Chinese language thinking that Tibetans speak Chinese. Some even ask if I speak Mandarin or Cantonese. When I show them Tibetan writing, they are like is that Arabic writing. Few prime example of your ignorance.
stopKillingInTibet 2 years ago
That was extremely sad. Bush getting nominated for the nobel peace prize, and not getting it. Life can be so cruel sometimes.
j0n52 2 years ago
If the dalai lama gets the nobel peace prize then why didn't bush, blair, pol pot, and idi amin?
j0n52 2 years ago
The sad thing is, Bush was actually nominated for one. XD They give those things out to everyone.
kookiegod123 2 years ago 2
His Holiness The Dalai Lama, March 10,2009:
"We Tibetans are looking for a legitimate and meaningful autonomy, an arrangement that would enable Tibetans to live within the framework of the Peoples Republic of China. Fulfilling the aspirations of the Tibetan people will
dorje168 2 years ago
Is sad. So sad.
But I think that ateous buddism is better than an idea line comumunist utopia.
Notar89 2 years ago
if the tibetans are so happy that the chinese are in tibet. why would they protest????
b0ysc0ut15 2 years ago 6
tbegs WAS,IS,and ALWAYS WILL BE a DOG shit -EATING 4 legged animals
goldenkey007 2 years ago
I do not think you deserve to live any more... a real smelly piece of shit ..get lost !
kleinbittersdorf 2 years ago
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Of course CCP will and have to find somebody to blame. Usually Dalai Lama and USA for all the trouble they have.
stopKillingInTibet 2 years ago
@b0ysc0ut15 In China tibet has 6 million population. If they ALL protest, they can make an independent nation that is bigger than many of current ones.
micathia 1 year ago
@b0ysc0ut15 because they were the ones lost power after the chinese took over
eastern2western 1 year ago
@b0ysc0ut15 well planned co-ordinated riot is the right name for what happend in tibet in 2008, whyelse would thousands of violet criminals go on the street start to attack people and buring houses down.
obsidianstatue 1 year ago
@b0ysc0ut15 if i capcured ur country wat would u do do u stay qiet or do u protest
deadleg9580 1 year ago
@b0ysc0ut15 The protests are mostly led by upper class Tibetans in exile, who incite their cohorts in Tibet to riot.
However, many of the Tibetans who remained in Tibet were the lower classes and the slaves. Often these Tibetans are happy with the improvements in their lives and their increasingly middle class status.
jimgzorn 10 months ago
@jimgzorn
Tibetans are slaves of the EVIL communist party. Tourists have more rights in Tibet than Tibetans.
HumanRightsVideosT 9 months ago
@b0ysc0ut15
there are so many protests in western world, do you mean Europeans are unhappy every day. there are much less protest in tibetans. fuck you. asswhole
sweetboy945 8 months ago
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On behalf of all Chinese people, I want to offer the Tibetan people our sincere apologies for the cruelties inflicted upon them by the Chinese government. Tibet has never been and never will be a part of China. I hope one day Tibetans will receive the freedom that they need and deserve. I am ashamed of what the communist government and the CCP has done in Tibet. I hope that one day Tibet will again be free and regain its independence and sovereignty. I am sorry for the evils you have suffered.
chinesehearts10 2 years ago
life is suffering...clinging to ideas is suffering...
richardhaw 2 years ago
Today, the religion, culture, language and identity, which successive generations of Tibetans have considered more precious than their lives, are nearing extinction, said the Dalai Lama, 73, the spiritual leader of Tibetans. The Dalai Lama reiterated that such autonomy had been promised to Tibet by Mao and other senior Chinese leaders These thrust Tibetans into such depths of suffering and hardship that they literally experienced hell on earth, the Dalai Lama said.
dorje168 2 years ago
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dalai lama "meaningful autonomy" exposed:
The Dalai Lama demanded, in his "five-point peace plan" in 1987and the "seven-point new suggestions" in 1988, that the Chinese troops and military facilities be withdrawn from Tibet. He also demanded that people of Han ethnic group stop settling in Tibet, and that those who have already settled in move out.
fuck you dalai lama you rotten sepparist !!
goldenkey007 2 years ago
Dali Lama wants independence for his own country. What is wrong with that? Yes, Tibet was a medieval country, but that is not the fault of the Dali Lama, as he was just a boy. He doesnt want a return to those days. He is quite progressive. We all change. England use to be feudal, but we got rid of it without China's help.
penguinegg01 2 years ago
Dalai Lama was in his twenties in the 1950s and he showed no inclination to reform. "as he was just a boy"....what a naive description of him? would you call a 20-year-old male "a boy"?
Evidence shows Dalai Lama in the 1950s is the equivalent of the Pope in the medieval era. Could the Pople represent all Europeans in the medieval era? if now, how can Dala Lama claim his will represents the will of the tibetan people?
Drosophileus 2 years ago
At the time when the Dali Lama was in Tibet, he was still a young man coming to terms with his accension. His main worries were the growing threat of China under Mao. The Dali Lama didnt initiate any reforms, but, to be fair, he didn''t really have the time to do it. Not only that, political power was in the hands of the aristocracy.
penguinegg01 2 years ago
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penguinegg01 2 years ago
What Tibet needed was a revolution to get rid of that aristocracy. What it got instead was an invasion by a foreign force, a force that subjegated the population and started a process of colonisation. The Dali Lama may not have talked about reform in the 1950s, - he was mainly concerned about independence - but he has had plenty of time to refect on Tibet's future and this is where his progressive views have developed.
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penguinegg01 2 years ago
Shut up hippie. Do you see those schools, hospitals, shops, infrastructure etc in Tibet?
The PRC built those, ok. They just DID. Nobody told them to do it, but they did.
If Dalai Lama was in charge, there would be only monesteries. Of course, if you ask him about it now, he would say "yea I would build schools too".
The difference is that someone need to tell him to build schools before he would build them. Nobody told China to build schools, they just did!
One is nobel, the other fraud.
Elbottoo 2 years ago
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Dalai Lama essentially has been engaging in religion-purging, defaming other sectors one by one, trying to make him the only one god in Tibetan regilions. By himself the only god like status in religion, he can pick and reincarnate any Lamas as he wish
hisphoninesss 2 years ago
Dorje Shugden was worshipped for close to 400 hundred years. Now 14th Dalai Lama wants to change that, this is change of old practise. There is religious split now happening.
Dalai Lama was and is political king among Tibetans
hisphoninesss 2 years ago
Dalai Lama accusing CHina as "cultural genocide". But Dalai Lama himself is doing religious purging under cover for political reasons.
This is very dangrous path that Dalai Lama is walking toward. Those suffered in thousands from India (later moved outside), and those in China are unlikely to accept the fate of religious crack down by Dalai Lama.
hisphoninesss 2 years ago
Somehow I feel the real Dalai Lama is a man between the description of China and the West. He is not that evil as told by Beijing but definitely not that holy at all as being widely praised in the west. I don't think guy like Richard Gere knows well of the old tibetan history, he just totally follow the stories told by the Tibetans in exile, if he really travel in Tibet, study history seriously and listen not just to the tibetans but also to the chinese, he may reach an entirely different story
bobowai 2 years ago
I'm no fan of the Dalai Lama and I think the Free Tibet campaign is ridiculous, misguided and completely an unwarranted interference in China's internal affairs. Having said that, however, who is this person being interviewed? Can we at least get a name so we can do some research on his background ourselves?
bombaykitty 2 years ago
It's Michael Parenti if I'm not mistaken.
hectorbolshevik 2 years ago
Who is this "historian?" We're dropped into a conversation with no context at all.
memo8774 2 years ago
This historian is Micheal Parenti.
If you go to the related video called Dalai Lama's Naked Truth Exposed you'll see the speaker is the same. .
markfeng66 2 years ago
iamlumin is a bunch of bullshit.
FreeTheTruth1 3 years ago
Tibetans are not all mistreated. Alan Dawa Dolma is a popular Chinese singer of Tibetan origin.
seppukuhierarchy 3 years ago
dali lama sounds like diu lei lou ma in cantonese hahahaahah it means fuck your mother in cantonese incase y'all don't know cantonese
onnyeung 3 years ago
Stupid video. Tibet was isolated for centuries. It was definitely in need of reform. That being said let us remember the Americans were not that far removed from slavery and still treated African Americans as second class citizens long after slavery was abolished. Not to mention the fact that America at that time was not far removed from treating women like crap. As for China, many scholars and travelers agree that things at that time were far worst in China than in Tibet.
iamlumin 3 years ago
yes many scholars... you need to cite sources retard.
seppukuhierarchy 3 years ago
Follow the news, go to Tibet, "strike hard" campaign going on right now. More than 6,000 Tibetans interrogated, one young man beaten to death, hundreds arrested for refusing to celebrate the Tibetan New Year. Can you imagine being arrested because you refuse to celebrate the New Year? What a joke! Note; the last Chinese mission rep in Lhasa prior to invasion said Tibet was independent. I suppose he was a trader, was insane, or whatever? It's always something.
iamlumin 3 years ago
SOURCES?
seppukuhierarchy 3 years ago
Every major news outlet in the world has covered these stories. Get a clue. Of course, in China the stories read quite differently. Something like, in a plan orchestrated by the Dalai Lama Tibetan terrorists (who China claims are Chinese) dropped from the sky and attacked innocent Chinese soldiers and police who were guarding monasteries and the Potala Palace, once the home of great Chinese conquerors and emperors.
iamlumin 3 years ago
sources? lol
seppukuhierarchy 3 years ago
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I think most Zang ethnic minorities (Tibetans) activists, living outside of their motherland, China and a small number inside China, including a small minority of Western sympathisers have realized that they have lost a lot of respect in the International Communities today. The disruptions of the Olympic Torch, The Beijing Games, The riots in Lhasa, Xizang (Tibet) province of China in March 2008, and many other disruptive demonstrations had been condemn by people worldwide. Peace to the world.
Globalvisual 3 years ago
clown,
dont' be so hypocritical, everyone knows you love Chinese toy.
poidsfi 3 years ago
Chinese Communist Party has killed more than 100M Han chinese, those Wu Mao work for them they are PRIVILEDGE of the communist party, they are not ordinary chinese, they stink!
HanChinezeclown 3 years ago
BOYCOTT ALL MADE IN CHINA! Stop the slaughter!
Stop the nazy communist regime!
HanChinezeclown 3 years ago
say all you want .. han chinese own you right now..so shut the f*ck up
onnyeung 3 years ago
Let me guess your another Wu Mao, an economic migrant outside China your not even in China, your close of the stupid communist party and you work for them. So FUCK YOU
HanChinezeclown 3 years ago
qing is china. and now manchu is chinese.
they lose their language and culture
sunnybone0629 3 years ago
Dalai Lama was not a democratic-elected leader, but chosen by a few monks who believed he was the reincarnation of the previous god-king. Living in luxury in his palace, he as a Buddhist, did not practise loving-kindness & compassion to liberate his people from povery, slavery, injustice and many unspeakable sufferings, despite having the power to do so. Now when he lost that power, he wants to "help" "his" people. I am not Chinese national & neither do I support a communist China.
koshdrofkayler 3 years ago
To: realtruehistory
Have you no shame for whatever you said?!
Would you also say, "Chinese people don't live in China"?
You're a insane bastard!!
MakVoiceofChinaHeard 3 years ago
Here you are.....Qing is NOT China, manchu people are Chinese....conflict
shaya001 3 years ago
The Mongols and Manchus came and became one of us. When Huang Taiji (Manchu emperor) took Beijing he gave the late Ming emperor a royal burial. Hans defended Qing empire (including Tibet ) for our Manchu monarchs for centuries. When the Japanese came, they came to rob us. It's not the same. If you argue that China needs to be particularly sensitive to Tibetans spiritually, I would agree with you.
ywszesqx 3 years ago
But your vocabularies of colonies and occupation about our history in these periods are over-simplification that I don't agree.
ywszesqx 3 years ago
Why would Hans want to erase Tibetan language and culture? Most Hans adores the songs, dances, cultures of other ethnicities in China. Even our traditional women wedding gown "qipao" was of Manchu origin. If you argue that Hans is erasing theocracy/serfdom from Tibet, that's true. If you argue that the earlier collectivism forced upon Tibet failed miserably, that would be true too. If you argue that Hans are marginalizing Tibet's language and culture, it is not true.
ywszesqx 3 years ago
This doesn't make sense.
ywszesqx 3 years ago
How much are you willing to bet if all the examined historical records from those periods are what percentile of them are in Hanzhi versus Manchu?
ywszesqx 3 years ago
It pleases you to say that Chinese are the lowest in social status doesn't it? I'm not even going to argue with you on this. As for the motto: "Rebel against Manchu, and restore ming" was a slogan in the early Qing not when Qing monarchy collapse. Han didn't overthrow Manchu because it was Han versus Manchu. Manchu was overthrow because it had failed politically and economically, it was because it has rejected constitutional monarchy suggested by Guangxu emperor and his Hans advisers.
ywszesqx 3 years ago
You argue that the there were no Hans running in the court of Qing, I will correct you that every position in Qing had both a Han and Manchu official designated by different symbol on your robe for check and balance b't Manchu and Hans. Example, the general Lin Zexu who burned Britains' opium ship and started the first opium war was Han ruling both Guangdong and Guangxi province.
ywszesqx 3 years ago
Realtruehistory, We Chinese are very aware of our history, our failures, successes. We are more critical about our own more than you will ever know. We don't need to distort history, no one can. To you, China was a colony to Mongol and Manchu, and Tibet is an occupation. To us, it's about restoring our country that have fallen apart in the last 100 years. The desire to reclaim all lost territory and glory burns in our hearts for so long is something you may never understand. Peace.
ywszesqx 3 years ago
If Qing's military weren't majority Chinese, then how in the world were the warlords -- ex Qing generals and army -- that fought each other after the fall of Qing's monarchy -- were all Chinese? Unless you think they just like to take up Chinese names.
ywszesqx 3 years ago
Do you really think it's possible to rule China without using Chinese language when that's 90% of the population?
ywszesqx 3 years ago
Qing was a Manchu empire, it also became Chinese empire. It's called assimilation. No sensible Chinese is arguing that the border of Qing's empire was credited to Han Chinese. After 300 years of mixing in the melting pot, can you really separate the people of Qing? They became a new nation called China, and now we are all Chinese whether anyone likes it or not.
ywszesqx 3 years ago
What about the treaties with England, Japan, Germany, the old superpowers of the 19th century? Were they written in Manchu?
ywszesqx 3 years ago
The Chinese, Korean, Hispanic, etc in America are call Chinese, Korean, Hispanic American respectively. When Obama was asked if he is black or American and he said he American. Chinese in America are part of US history not China's. You really think you know Chinese history better than Chinese? And you think you know a Manchu better than the Manchu?
ywszesqx 3 years ago
just like the The Crusades, Taliban, and Dalai's Tibet. The Clerical States are all barbarous.
stevemaster0 3 years ago
realtruehistory,
Do not mislead here, Qing dynasty is a part of chinese history, China is a multi-ethnic country, and Chinese include Manzhu, Han, Tibetan etc. I am Manzhu and I am also Chinese.
icewine000000 3 years ago
The fact the both Mongols and Manchus chose Chinese words -- Yuan and Qing -- for their dynastic names is enough to signify their bonds to Hans Chinese hereafter. We were not the same people, but history has made us into one, and one nation, indivisible we will be.
ywszesqx 3 years ago
Free yourself from the never ending desire to never group up and mature.
ltangelic 3 years ago
ehh, and how do you know? Yah right, continue assuming that and think that you are the smartest person on Earth when in true fact, you have an intelligence of a 3 year old.
ltangelic 3 years ago
if china is so evil, and have killed, tortured tibetans like hell, tibet should have been closed for 58 years and it could never become world famours tourist site.
magnietuit 3 years ago 2
Die Qing-Dynastie war nach der mongolischen Yuan-Dynastie die zweite Fremdherrschaftsdynastie Chinas
NZKOFF 3 years ago
lüg dich nicht selber an
RSCHORI1982 3 years ago
wasn't yuan dynasty china?
if it was not china, which country it was? japan? korea?
magnietuit 3 years ago
does anyone here know if the dali has ever been put on a forum where he and a person like the one telling this sory can have a debate?
kwal57 3 years ago
Final a rational fact-based offering on the subject o Tibetan history. This piece approaches the standard that is a canard at Fox News: "Fair & balanced." If you had the life-choice of slavery in a medieval theocracy or perpetual grinding labor with inane indoctrination in a Chinese faux-communist worker's paradise, wouldn't you ask for a third choice? "More... More, please"...jt
joeyfotofr 3 years ago
The dalai lama is pure evil by oppressing his people and turning them to slaves!
But he got his just desserts when Chairman Mao liberated Tibet. And the people will no longer be under oppression...
May god bless Chairman Mao and the oppressed tibetans......
monopoly421 3 years ago
He was only 15. I doubt he even knew or was aware of the abuses. He was as much a tool as those being oppressed. This video is no excuse for the abuses of China.
johnknoefler 3 years ago
he was 15, and he already knew how to order fresh human skin as offering during the ceremony.
check his hand-writing order, kept in bei jing museum.
magnietuit 3 years ago
Tibetans deserve to be free. Not under China or Dalia Lama.
johnknoefler 3 years ago
why?
magnietuit 3 years ago
Sadly, there are still many ignorants out there who thinks Chinese government is the real devil and Dalai Lama is the real god, when the truth is the exact opposite.
ltangelic 3 years ago 2
He is pretty accurate except it was actually much worse than he has stated. My best friend's grandparents lived through it. I wished had written a memoir of their life in Tibet during the Dalai Lama rule.I loved asking them questions,unlike my friend who wasnt at all interested. The stories they shared about their past & what they witnessed would give you goose bumps & make your hair stand.They were very thankful to China for saving the Tibetians from the D. Lama's oppressive rule.
AvidTravelerPHD 3 years ago 2
read this book: The Snow Lion and the Dragon: China, Tibet, and the Dalai Lama
Written by dr. goldstein, the world known tibet expert, spending almost all his lifetime research on tibet.
Amazon sells this book for 15$
his research may have all you free-tibet fans shocked
his rule is to be the spiritual/religious icon for the western media, to control and manipulate, he is an Illuminati
Rnanubandha 3 years ago 4
Unbelievable to see that Dalai Lama actually is the biggest liar in the world! Most of Tibet was slaves and live under horrible oppression under his rule. Now he became as if an angel and want to rule back in Tibet? Huh? He has become a ba****rd political tool? Sorry, my conscience talk so loud seeing and imagining these slaves were cut their hands, skin alive, etc. I think DL should be thrown to jail of human right abuses and his Nobel Prize is BS.
teddybear1968 3 years ago
The Dalai also do not tolerate dissent. Look how he persecutes followers of Dorje Shugden.
Maohammet 3 years ago
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The Snow Lion and the Dragon: China, Tibet, and the Dalai Lama
Written by dr. goldstein, the world known tibet expert, spending almost all his lifetime research on tibet.
Amazon sells this book for 15$
his research may have you free-tibet fans shocked
magnietuit 3 years ago
Michael Parenti (born 1933) is an American political scientist, historian, and media critic.
Parenti received his Ph.D. in political science from Yale University and has taught at several universities, colleges, and other institutions. He is the author of twenty books and many more articles. His works have been translated into at least eighteen languages.
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Leibo07 3 years ago 3
very true!!
GlaBurnzUrHouseAK47 3 years ago