I stood up in my pew, and I wondered at his doctrine, for I had never heard such before. And then he went on... "You will say, 'Christ saith this', and 'the apostles say this', but what canst thou say? Art thou a Child of the Light, and hast thou walked in the Light, and what thou speakest, is it inwardly from the Lord?" This opened me so, that it cut me to the heart, and then I saw clearly that we were all wrong. ~ Margaret Fell, on how she was "convinced" (i.e. converted) by George Fox
Is the bible important and inspiring to me as a Christian and aspiring Quaker? Yes.
Do I treat it as the literal word of God as opposed to a document inspired by God that has been through the hands of Men and therefore inherited their various biases? No.
Everything should be taken with a pinch of salt and examined in the context of the time in which it was written/revised lest we succumb to some decidedly un-Christlike behaviours.
The bible is so doctored and revised by every sect with its own agenda and various books present diametrically opposed views that cannot be reconciled without mangling one or both. How much stock SHOULD one put in such nonsense? If there is a kernel of Christianity that can be unearthed and followed, it is not found in the pages of the bible.
@gavinsstuff To answer your question, No, we don't find the Spirit in those passages. The Bible, like life itself, contains both good and evil, wisdom and folly. We take the wisdom and leave the folly. There are passages of incomparable profundity and sweetness. We give our attention to them. But homophobes and people who dismiss the Bible have this in common: both enjoy focusing on the foolish passages. If you embrace tolerance and acceptance, why tell us to "fuck off"? All we tell you is love.
A question for Quakers is how The Light within Everyone affects the world on an individual and social level - as lived out by Rabbi Jesus. What percent of a church budget goes toward helping the most vulnerable of the world, and what percent goes toward paying the mortgage, the electric bill, the pastor's salary, and so on? This might be a better way of determining whether a religious community worships Rabbi Jesus first, or the Bible. Which do you prioritize: Jesus, Paul, the Bible, other?
As Quakers, we don't have paid pastors and building expenses are kept at a minimum. For more information about Quakers, please log on to Ohio Yearly Meeting's Web site.
Yes, I know... I was refering to "TruthLightSeeker" who apparently removed his or her comment. It sounds like we attend similar meetings. Thanks for your comment, though. I hope more people will visit different Quaker websites to have a better understanding of who the Quakers are...
That would be great. It would also seem that those of us who are Christ-centered Quakers need to start posting more videos on YouTube to ensure that information about our historical beliefs and practices reach a wider audience.
All religious texts can be good, unless they are worshipped. The written word is a conduit of truth. It is not, in and of itself, worthy of worship. As a Quaker, this is where I differ from many American churches who claim The Bible as being "The Word" when the Bible itself identifies "The Word" as the Jewish Jesus. Personally, I see God most clearly through the Jewish Jesus, as told of in the Synoptic Gospels (Mark, Matthew, Luke). Love God / Love Others - Jesus summary of ALL Scripture.
I agree in most part with what you are saying. It's true that Christians do refer to the Bible as the Word and Jesus is called the Word in John 1. However I think this comes down to meaning that the Bible is the WRITTEN word of God and doesnt mean that the Bible is therefore being worshipped. Furthermore the description of Jesus as Word may mean like a commandment. I call the Bible the Word of God but do not worship it. I worship Jesus because he gave me a chance to be in a relatinship with God.
Actually, you would be more accurate to refer to the Bible as containing the words of God, rather than calling it the Word of God. The term Word of God is reserved for Jesus, as the Bible itself clearly indicates.
Open minded in what way? What does open minded mean? Does it mean we have no beliefs or standards or that we're willing to accept anything? Please elaborate on what you're saying.
I have no idea why I posted my earlier comment... I didn't even watch the rest of the video lol
SamlovesShelb 1 month ago
WOO!! I'm a Quaker :)
SamlovesShelb 1 month ago
Am begining to see Quakerism in a differant Light ?
TheUktruth 3 months ago
I stood up in my pew, and I wondered at his doctrine, for I had never heard such before. And then he went on... "You will say, 'Christ saith this', and 'the apostles say this', but what canst thou say? Art thou a Child of the Light, and hast thou walked in the Light, and what thou speakest, is it inwardly from the Lord?" This opened me so, that it cut me to the heart, and then I saw clearly that we were all wrong. ~ Margaret Fell, on how she was "convinced" (i.e. converted) by George Fox
Silenus6 6 months ago
Is the bible important and inspiring to me as a Christian and aspiring Quaker? Yes.
Do I treat it as the literal word of God as opposed to a document inspired by God that has been through the hands of Men and therefore inherited their various biases? No.
Everything should be taken with a pinch of salt and examined in the context of the time in which it was written/revised lest we succumb to some decidedly un-Christlike behaviours.
c00505 10 months ago
@c00505 Thanks for your contribution. As you say, context is so important, as well as the the reason why particular books were written.
srekauq 10 months ago
written by men, inspired by mushrooms....
aguteempasil 1 year ago
The bible is so doctored and revised by every sect with its own agenda and various books present diametrically opposed views that cannot be reconciled without mangling one or both. How much stock SHOULD one put in such nonsense? If there is a kernel of Christianity that can be unearthed and followed, it is not found in the pages of the bible.
Kirke182 1 year ago
shall we look at the bit of the evil bible that tells us to kill gay people or adulterous women . fuck off
gavinsstuff 1 year ago
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Silenus6 6 months ago
@gavinsstuff To answer your question, No, we don't find the Spirit in those passages. The Bible, like life itself, contains both good and evil, wisdom and folly. We take the wisdom and leave the folly. There are passages of incomparable profundity and sweetness. We give our attention to them. But homophobes and people who dismiss the Bible have this in common: both enjoy focusing on the foolish passages. If you embrace tolerance and acceptance, why tell us to "fuck off"? All we tell you is love.
Silenus6 6 months ago
A question for Quakers is how The Light within Everyone affects the world on an individual and social level - as lived out by Rabbi Jesus. What percent of a church budget goes toward helping the most vulnerable of the world, and what percent goes toward paying the mortgage, the electric bill, the pastor's salary, and so on? This might be a better way of determining whether a religious community worships Rabbi Jesus first, or the Bible. Which do you prioritize: Jesus, Paul, the Bible, other?
godssandboxdotcom 2 years ago
As Quakers, we don't have paid pastors and building expenses are kept at a minimum. For more information about Quakers, please log on to Ohio Yearly Meeting's Web site.
stampguy01 2 years ago
Yes, I know... I was refering to "TruthLightSeeker" who apparently removed his or her comment. It sounds like we attend similar meetings. Thanks for your comment, though. I hope more people will visit different Quaker websites to have a better understanding of who the Quakers are...
godssandboxdotcom 2 years ago
That would be great. It would also seem that those of us who are Christ-centered Quakers need to start posting more videos on YouTube to ensure that information about our historical beliefs and practices reach a wider audience.
stampguy01 2 years ago
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TruthLightSeeker 3 years ago
All religious texts can be good, unless they are worshipped. The written word is a conduit of truth. It is not, in and of itself, worthy of worship. As a Quaker, this is where I differ from many American churches who claim The Bible as being "The Word" when the Bible itself identifies "The Word" as the Jewish Jesus. Personally, I see God most clearly through the Jewish Jesus, as told of in the Synoptic Gospels (Mark, Matthew, Luke). Love God / Love Others - Jesus summary of ALL Scripture.
godssandboxdotcom 3 years ago
I fully agree
Yyes18 2 years ago
I agree in most part with what you are saying. It's true that Christians do refer to the Bible as the Word and Jesus is called the Word in John 1. However I think this comes down to meaning that the Bible is the WRITTEN word of God and doesnt mean that the Bible is therefore being worshipped. Furthermore the description of Jesus as Word may mean like a commandment. I call the Bible the Word of God but do not worship it. I worship Jesus because he gave me a chance to be in a relatinship with God.
LibLibxo 2 years ago
Actually, you would be more accurate to refer to the Bible as containing the words of God, rather than calling it the Word of God. The term Word of God is reserved for Jesus, as the Bible itself clearly indicates.
stampguy01 2 years ago
written down by men inspired by God , I think we can learn from how Jesus and the apostles viewed scripture : )
PaladinMark 3 years ago 6
I love the fact that most Quakers seem to be open minded. I think other religions could benefit from this.
2255661 4 years ago 16
Open minded in what way? What does open minded mean? Does it mean we have no beliefs or standards or that we're willing to accept anything? Please elaborate on what you're saying.
stampguy01 2 years ago
Would like to have seen more!
963stuart 4 years ago