A History of Britain, episode 10: Britannia Incorporated, chapter 3

[MrChristianHau]

Does anyone knows which music track playing at 3:44 in the vidoe?

[Flain100]

British by birth,

ENGLISH by the grace of God.

[mesmiths]

Schama's account of the ratification of the treaty of union is an astonishingly brief part of this programme. For a much better illustration of the difficult process and skulduggery involved see the BBC's history of Scotland series.

[1991Historybuff]

@mesmiths but for the english its not such a big deal, for us it represents the addition of more territory but for the scots it represents the end of an independant scotland

[mesmiths]

@1991Historybuff

That's a very narrow way of looking at it, especially for a history buff. The series is after all titled 'a history of Britain' the very nation which came into being through the treaty of 1707. I'd suggest that it is a great deal more interesting and relevant than you imply laughably as 'addition of territory'.

Schama gives more time to gardening fashions of the English gentry than to the treaty and thus, I think, he gives the game away as to his and the series' bias.

[computers734]

I watched this on the telly last night and could have kicked it with rage. It seems that English historians often have a different view of british history than scottish ones, At times. Schama states that the last Jacobite uprisisng was the last atempt by scots to break the union. The fact is Charles edward Stuart never said he would break the union. A union would suit the Stuarts very well. Now the highland clans (who only made up about 47% of the jacobite army)new this!

[BonnieBlueFlag1314]

@computers734 Actually Charles had promised to end the political union and to reestablish the Scottish Parliament. One can assume the pre-1707 situation would of been reinstated between Scotland and England of some political independence under a dynastic union. There are Jacobite swords with 'prosperity to Scotland and no union' inscribed on them. I find it hard to beleive they would fight for Charles thinking that he was going to continue the union.

[NattyBonCom]

Why blame England for the Darrien fiasco? They did not invest, no, but it was ment to be Scotland going it alone. You seem to blame England for a Scotish enterprise and faliure. England are dammed because the did not help Scotland and would of been dammed if they had helped and invested and , if things had gone well, benefitted.

[jamboliboli]

@NattyBonCom England weren't fully to blame. However, Scotland can partially blame England because England left those men to die on the Isthmus deliberately to 'bring Scotland to heel'. Other than that, there were loads of English investors from the start in whose interest it was to make sure they got a return on that investment and they did not bother. They let the men die.

[NattyBonCom]

@jamboliboli It would have been no different if say France planned a simular enterprise. It was competition, bu still what could Britain have done? 40 men died on the journey, 10 were dying a day! While this was happening everyone in Britain would have had no idea this was happening - with no way of comunication. By the time thay knew it was to late. But blame Britain if it makes you feel better.

[jamboliboli]

@NattyBonCom So you didn't actually read my message. I said 'ENGLAND WEREN'T FULLY TO BLAME'. Moreover, you total retard, Britain wasn't Britain of today, Scotland and England were separate states with their own parliaments until 1707. And to let you know, France did plan many similar expeditions, they had their own empire too! Even in this video, it is stated that England deliberately passed a legislation to make sure the Darien scheme would fail. You didn't listen to this video either.

[workwearcanadacom]

@jamboliboli The first time I used the term Britain was a mistake - I ment England (using a friends computer in a spare minute and had to type fast) The second time I ment it wholly in the modern term to save time writing out the countries individually. What do you think - once those men has set sail - that England should of done?

The comment 'total retard' requires no comment.

[BonnieBlueFlag1314]

@NattyBonCom England went to considerably efforts to make sure the Darien Scheme didn't work out. There were significant faults in the Scottish plan to make hte colony work, but it was given no chance of success by English blockade and English diplomatic pressure on Spain.

[TheLiberalKnight]

@BonnieBlueFlag1314 England has always been, and will always be, stronger than Scotland.

[socrateswept]

@TheLiberalKnight If only because of demographics and its geographic location, yes, that's true.

[TheLiberalKnight]

@socrateswept Yes, that is the only reason. Until Scotland boosts it's population by 1000%, it can never be richer than England. Tell that to the next retarded Scot nationalist you see.

[socrateswept]

@BonnieBlueFlag1314 Seriously, and not wishing to 'nitpick' but exactly what sort of pressure could England exert on Spain around the 1690's? It's not as if they were the sick man of Europe yet.

[laetolisteps]

Love it.