its not so much about water testing man its about dirt, the air filter is to prevent dirt from getting sucked into it. so you should have tested that instead of water. i bet then your stock air filter would suck ass
You dumb fuck...water proof dont mean it will stop water..it means water will not wash it off. NoToil is far better than BelRay or any other brand for that matter that I have found to date. By the way...If water is not coming through....how well do you think your bike is breathing??
I used no toil a few times but as the shit weather came (rain) dirty water was seaping through into the airbox it did this twice as i made sure it wasn't my oiling method now im trying putoline which looks like its absorbing into the foam better and it took quite a lot of oil so fingers crossed.
the only diffrence I see i ur tests is that the notoil oil is being used on high performance filters, wich are obviosly more pourus than the stock filter.
the smaller pours and the thicker oil based molecules or the belray oil leave incredibly small air paths in the filter. between that and the surface tension of the water, yeah the filter will hold out the water, but add a vacume to the inside of the filter, and the water will come right throu!
I disagree. U do not understand the physics involved. I don't know if u have ever tried washing notoil off ur fingers with water alone but its not exactly water friendly. Under load, the air is moving at a fast rate and high pressure through the filter, the petrolium based oil being hydrophobic has nothing to do with it. the oil simply coats the insides of the foam cells to catch and hold the dirt particles, leaving a path for air and even water to pass throu the filter.
No filter! No oil! will EVER stop ur motor from suckin in water when thats all u have in ur air box!
(don't actuatty do this! it's a horrible idea!)
go run ur bike with whatever filter and oil on it u want, while reving the motor, splash water on the filter, then check ur air boot to the carb and the inside of the filter, I gaurantee U got water in there!
simply dunking a filter in water is not a realistic test!
What you have said is simply not true. You simply do not understand the chemistry involved. The oil is hydrophobic and literally pushes the water out of the foam. The foam is not saturated with oil, it is lightly coated. Air flows through without any restriction.
@bkowalca your motor will simply suck water through the filter reguardless the type of oil... and no toils airfilter oil is the same as others it has a water crarrier. it is not water based
1. If it took alot of the bellray to oil the filter(as u said), then u plugged it all up with the oil, and ur not gunna get much air through that filter either!
2. by waterproof it's ment that the notoil oil will not come off the filter with water alone!
3 If u got that much water in ur airbox..
then I wish u the best of luck gettin ur bike out of the botom of the lake!
your not going to be pushing your bike in a lake so it doesn't matter if it is totaly water proof, its just to keep water from going in, not putting the thing under water and making it under pressure and making the water go in it...... like red forman would say on that 70s show, DUMB ASS!!!
You should test out other brands like Motul, Silklene etc.... And use the same air-filter to keep the experiment/test fair. i.e. Use the twin-air and only use different oils.
Good watch though. As for the person who said keep out of the water, obviously you don't do water crossings.....
well, a stock drz filter is less porous, a performance air filter is more porous, allowing more water in. Also no toil never has said their oil water proofs filters. They said though that their oil is water resistant, meaning that their oil cannot be washed out by water alone... just dont ride through water and you'll be fine...
how the hell are you gonna get water in there in there unless you a punk ass trail rider
113cross 3 weeks ago
I drive my dirt bike in the ocean under water and it works well to keep out all the water. Its the twin filter. try it.
LASTTOPGUN 11 months ago
its not so much about water testing man its about dirt, the air filter is to prevent dirt from getting sucked into it. so you should have tested that instead of water. i bet then your stock air filter would suck ass
colemwilson 1 year ago
are uni filters good?
hein127 1 year ago
use a maxima airfilter
MrBoxbreaker55 1 year ago
Interesting test, useful or not. Thanks.
livelinesolutions 1 year ago
Must be a moron to supmerge you filter under water while riding.
James2179109 1 year ago
You dumb fuck...water proof dont mean it will stop water..it means water will not wash it off. NoToil is far better than BelRay or any other brand for that matter that I have found to date. By the way...If water is not coming through....how well do you think your bike is breathing??
badassfrontier 1 year ago
I used no toil a few times but as the shit weather came (rain) dirty water was seaping through into the airbox it did this twice as i made sure it wasn't my oiling method now im trying putoline which looks like its absorbing into the foam better and it took quite a lot of oil so fingers crossed.
Piston was ok though
MarcD3832 2 years ago
ok ok spark plug wrench spark plug new gas oil and filter in back pack ya that works 2
dirtbikerider407 2 years ago
Use paint thinner & Belray oil mix, wring filter out,
and you get much better airflow rate.
If you compare flow rates between your test specimen, you'll probably find the filter saturated with BelRay is much more restrictive.
The goal is to find a balance between flow rate and the protection needed for your riding conditions.
KanzlerM 3 years ago
is it true that you shouldnt use a air filter that has rips in the flaps at the back of the filter
vonhoff250 3 years ago
the only diffrence I see i ur tests is that the notoil oil is being used on high performance filters, wich are obviosly more pourus than the stock filter.
the smaller pours and the thicker oil based molecules or the belray oil leave incredibly small air paths in the filter. between that and the surface tension of the water, yeah the filter will hold out the water, but add a vacume to the inside of the filter, and the water will come right throu!
Dont belive me? try it!
Notoil181 3 years ago
I disagree. U do not understand the physics involved. I don't know if u have ever tried washing notoil off ur fingers with water alone but its not exactly water friendly. Under load, the air is moving at a fast rate and high pressure through the filter, the petrolium based oil being hydrophobic has nothing to do with it. the oil simply coats the insides of the foam cells to catch and hold the dirt particles, leaving a path for air and even water to pass throu the filter.
like u said, try it
Notoil181 3 years ago
No filter! No oil! will EVER stop ur motor from suckin in water when thats all u have in ur air box!
(don't actuatty do this! it's a horrible idea!)
go run ur bike with whatever filter and oil on it u want, while reving the motor, splash water on the filter, then check ur air boot to the carb and the inside of the filter, I gaurantee U got water in there!
simply dunking a filter in water is not a realistic test!
Notoil181 3 years ago 3
What you have said is simply not true. You simply do not understand the chemistry involved. The oil is hydrophobic and literally pushes the water out of the foam. The foam is not saturated with oil, it is lightly coated. Air flows through without any restriction.
Don't believe me? Try it yourself.
bkowalca 3 years ago
@bkowalca how can u mean that this is a "test" u do not even use the same filter! idiot..
powertankman 1 year ago
@bkowalca your motor will simply suck water through the filter reguardless the type of oil... and no toils airfilter oil is the same as others it has a water crarrier. it is not water based
emoskater1212 6 months ago
1. If it took alot of the bellray to oil the filter(as u said), then u plugged it all up with the oil, and ur not gunna get much air through that filter either!
2. by waterproof it's ment that the notoil oil will not come off the filter with water alone!
3 If u got that much water in ur airbox..
then I wish u the best of luck gettin ur bike out of the botom of the lake!
Notoil181 3 years ago
so why didnt you try a no toil filter to? twin air filters can barely even hold no toil oil
mxboy311 3 years ago
your not going to be pushing your bike in a lake so it doesn't matter if it is totaly water proof, its just to keep water from going in, not putting the thing under water and making it under pressure and making the water go in it...... like red forman would say on that 70s show, DUMB ASS!!!
ryan000s 3 years ago
ok not true, the no toil air filter oil is only 100% waterproof on no toil air filters or twin air air filters that are actually in decent shape
weyer26 3 years ago
Stupid Video.
Dirtbuddy420 3 years ago
Bel Ray Rule
AscendentInLeo 3 years ago 2
You should test out other brands like Motul, Silklene etc.... And use the same air-filter to keep the experiment/test fair. i.e. Use the twin-air and only use different oils.
Good watch though. As for the person who said keep out of the water, obviously you don't do water crossings.....
pennywortdrink 4 years ago
well, a stock drz filter is less porous, a performance air filter is more porous, allowing more water in. Also no toil never has said their oil water proofs filters. They said though that their oil is water resistant, meaning that their oil cannot be washed out by water alone... just dont ride through water and you'll be fine...
DRZSuzook 4 years ago
Dats right!
Ogi4a 4 years ago
the water stays out but so does the airflow
crisisblacknwhite 4 years ago
ummm no... no toil lets water in because its not oilbased. Belray is oilbased so water wont break it down
bikeguy1030 4 years ago