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  • Wow, okay, don't get me wrong guys, I love Thornton too.

    But Jesus, are you guys actually JUSTIFYING him savagely beating a man (and with no consequence)? You fire him, you do not beat him to a pulp. Even if he had messed up before, that's just not something you do.

    I think your like for the man is blinding your judgment. If anyone else had done it, you would have quickly condemned them.

  • Anna Maxwell Martin is one of my favourite actresses. See her in The Night Watch and Bleak House.

  • I have always wondered why, when they are all surrounded by cotton, the workers didn't avail themselves of a small amount and fashion some form of face masks, they may not have realized how bad the lint was for the lungs but would have preferred not to be coughing all the time, surely...............

  • Am I the only one who thinks Mr. Thornton looks like a vampire? Everytime he looks at her, I think he's gonna bite her neck.

  • Mr. Thornton wasn't that violent in the book at all, in fact I don't recall him ever raising a hand against one of his workers.

  • How csn u work in a place like that and not wear something to cover your mouth... Ps first impressions are never to be thrusted

  • Many of you have misunderstood Thornton's intentions much like Margaret.

    Cotton is a combustible material which continues burning long after the flame has been extinguished. Hence, it is very dangerous to light up in a cotton mill, especially with so much cotton particles in the air. The whole place would positively burn down.

    Thornton was more concerned about lives being endangered, more so than his business. That's why he said "I'd rather they (the worker's children) starve than burn."

  • Stephens should move to the land of opportunity- America :)

  • AREN'T WE LUCKY WE LIVE IN THE U.K. AND THE 21ST CENTURY!!

  • Exceptional Cinematography @ 1:54...

    The jarring reality of the North encapsulated in a single moment

  • I have owned the dvd since some time ago - but have to say that I still enjoy watching it on youtube to read all the other users' comments. ;)

  • On behalf of non-smokers everywhere who have been annoyed by the fact that smokers abuse their "smoke break" privileges while the rest of us cover for them, Bravo, Mr. Thornton! :) Kidding...

  • @47thUsername

    so true. my boss scolds me for having coffee WHILE I do all the stuff I'm supposed to at work. She says it gives the impression of idleness. But she herself goes on a cigarette break every freaking half hour!!! Grrrrr

    and then comes back smelling of cold smoke and nicotine... uuuaaaach

  • @Spikesfeet LoL-True indeed! I laugh every time I watch this part. I have a secret fantasy about pummeling my smoking co-workers in manner of John Thornton every time they come back in and I have to catch them up in their own work before I can go back to mine. Maybe I'm a little harsh. Nah... I'm really harsh.

  • But...but this didn't happen in the book?

    Although I have to say the book is terribly boring, BBC are trying to make it a bit more interesting I guess.

  • @Jeno404 Hey! The book is AWESOME. One of my favorites.

    For SOME people the book may be boring, but some of us enjoyed it immensely! It, even more than the movie, is a great character study. But yes, movies always need a bit more immediate drama than books. Also, the audience that each was intended for has changed over time, and thus the need for something..... different, according to the audience's taste.

  • @musicallyspeakings88

    I didn't mean to offend! I usually like books like this, but North and South just didn't resonate with me. I thought if I watched it I might find it more interesting. To be honest I think the novel is still a better way to go, this version by the BBC could have been better.

  • @Jeno404 Oh, you didn't offend... sorry if I gave that impression. Have you read "The Scarlet Pimpernel" by Baroness Orczy? I think you would like that one, judging from your reaction to this movie and book... it is another favorite of mine and exciting enough for anyone! Whatever you do, do NOT watch any of the movies (maybe it is too late for that warning....), none of them do the book any justice, except maybe the Leslie Howard version.

  • @musicallyspeakings88

    I've heard of the Scarlet Pimpernel but I haven't read it! But it's on my list. And I won't watch anymore adaptations of this book anymore, I'll take your word for it.

  • @Jeno404 I guess it might be pointless to ask you to tell me how you liked "The SP", if it is on a list you probably won't get to it for a while....

  • @musicallyspeakings88

    lol, no not for a while I'm afraid, currently I'm reading Persuasion and then it's on to Catch 22, BUT you know, I may just reply to you in a few months and let you know if I liked it, or maybe somewhere down the track you'll find I've commented on an adaptation of it here on YouTube and we'll strike up another conversation ahahah.

  • @Jeno404 lol ya.... oh! Persuasion is my favorite Jane Austen! How are you liking THAT one? Haha, you had better watch out because I usually try to friend people when our conversations get long enough.

  • To be fair to Margaret, I would give a man an earful if he abused any person like that. No matter how freaking gorgeous he is. Particularly, if he's freaking gorgeous actually and if I fancy him.

  • I think Daniela is beautiful . I'm really tired of watching hollywood botox beauties get the guy . I think she was perfectly cast as was Richard ...x

  • love this, thanks for uploading it.

  • Even though he does have a good reason for being angry I don't think Mr Thornton should be so brutal to the worker at the beginning.

  • i take it this isnt the one with Orry, Madeline, Brett, Billy, Ashton, George, Constance, all them?.........sad.....

  • @TotalGleek1011 No, it's an adaptation of Elizabeth Gaskell's novel, written in 1854-5.

  • oooh. very different from jane austens indeed.

    but ill still watch it! for richard~ i instantly loved him as guy.<3

  • Love this I hope this gets 200000000000000000000000000000­0000000000000000 views. :)

  • I don't find her very attractive. Prefer a Rachel Weisz type.

  • @Coleburg i like rachel weisz she really would have made a good margaret

  • the fight is a bit...........brutal/cruel ( i don't know how to say in english) isn't it?

  • @FreierHauself It surely is, but in the book there isn't any fight. Thorton's and Margaret's first meet is , according to the book, in a room, where Thorton comes for Mr. Hale, who is not there and he has to spend about an hour trying to converse with Margaret.

  • Adding Mr Thornton to my list of perfect fictional men

  • she looks a bit like /kate winslet doesn't she?

  • @MrLongwei Because this is a British tv series based on the English novel by Elizabeth Gaskell.

  • Thank you for share it! Can I wonder there's an italian subtitles version????

    Thank you and sorry for my bad english!

  • @MrLongwei what?!

  • @MrLongwei uh, its actually a BRITISH miniseries...

  • best first impression ever

  • I haven't read this in the book, the fight with this man and also Bessy Higgins still working, i couldn't find this in the book

  • @joseesje10679

    Hi! Because in the book there aren't that part! This drama is some different because in the book there are slowly part. I hope you understand my english,because isn't my native language,but I try to improve it!

  • I haven't read this in the book, the fight with this man

  • The book is completely different to the series. Still, it was a wonderful series and So well played by Mr Amitage ....*wiggles eyebrows* ;0

  • i wonder what would have happened if she never left that room...

  • i always love our period dramas, can't beat them!!

  • when Thornton sees Stephens he says "smoking again" and "i warned you" indicating that whatever he did the first time obviously didn't get the point across so hitting stephens to protect his mill and his workers seems justified given the time period. So i agree that the actions Thornton took were not unreasonable even if they seem a bit violent.

  • @101musicfan Valid point, and conisdering how hard he's worked and he's seen other accidents with fires in mills he was really worried and since the guy wasn't listening... but still he shouldn't have beaten the poor man that much.

  • great first impressions! :D

  • This is really nice quality. Thanks so much for posting!

  • frankly, if an idiot was endangering the business i've been working for all my life because he just couldn't refrain from having a smoke, I'd probably want to beat him to death as well. Maybe Mr. Thornton's reaction is a bit violent, but not at all unreasonable, especially that the guy was warned before, probably several times.

  • @fdtk77 You have to understand though. We talking about England. They are usually highly conservative there. This isn't Ireland or something.

  • Really, Mr. Thornton you kicked the cotton stuffing out of Stephens.

  • Really, Mr. Thornton you kicked the cotton stuffing out of Stephens

  • how can edith say that noone wants to wear cotton, while all that women wore in, say jane austen times (only 40 years ago) was muslin, which IS cotton?

    confused.

  • IT the chick for bleak house in the factory.

  • OMG. I can't believe I can find this movie on Youtube.... Thanks for posting

  • What time period is this story set in?

  • @TheStarTrekChick The mini-series/book is set in the 1850's

  • In their first meeting (at a hotel in Milton) Thornton finds Margaret Hale haughty, scornful, cold tempered to the point of contemptuousness, etc., while she finds him 'not quite a gentleman' (I suppose because he's in trade).This is how the novel negotiates their first meeting and their mutual misrecognition. It is bewildering that they replaced that with this false and misleading scene, which has nothing to do with either the letter or the spirit of the book. Thornton never assaults anyone.

  • @MarthaDelios The makers of the film said they felt it needed more explanation of why she takes an instant dislike to him than 'he's not a gentleman'. It's easier to be subtle in a book where you can explain what people are feeling and thinking, but on film I suppose the book version might just look like 'she's a snob'. (possibly, they didn't make it like that so I don't know what it would have looked like, but for a guess)

  • Ooh, Richard Armitage! <3<3<3

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  • @talidina2 We feel upset when Thornton senselessly beats up the guy because it IS senseless and needlessly cruel, much like every taskmaster with too much power and his own rough sense of justice. These are the sort of themes dealt with by Elizabeth in the novel - what man should have the right to throw his workers about just because he's a few steps higher than him on the trade ladder? Margaret rightly challenges these class divisions in the 1800s -- you are in the 21st century, aren't you?

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  • @talidina2 The 'big fire incident!!!' gives no precedent to sending off a mere man who made a foolish mistake by beating the teeth out of him and then throwing him out to join his children in a 'big starving incident!!' The Industrial Revolution meant taskmasters had to start thinking innovatively like this - administering punishment by, say, withholding pay for a week or making him work double shifts. His mill won't benefit from throwing workers out - he realises this at the end..Pay attention?

  • @StrangerToEarth Foolish mistake? Hardly. In a cotton mill no smoking must be a pretty fundamental safety rule and Thornton says 'again', implying this has happened before. It's not as though smoking a pipe is a thing you could do by accident. This scene makes more sense if you read it as the reaction of a frightened man. He has seen what fire does to a mill and the thought of that happening in his mill scares him witless.

  • @thejustnosy Again, with the industrial revolution came the need for innovation and taskmasters like Mr. Thornton were no exception. Sending a man out to starve as an example to the rest of the mill is unneeded when some other form of punishment would set the whole thing right without the need for tipping an entire family over the edge of starvation eg taking away a week's wages. Also, this is not the reaction of a frightened but an angry man - a lack of judgment which his position can't afford.

  • @StrangerToEarth This man is a repeat offender, so whatever was done to him before clearly didn't make the point, Thornton really doesn't look to me like a man who likes having to repeat himself. (Granted, one shouldn't hit people, particularly not those who can't hit back but I think sacking someone who risks his life and his livelihood as well as the lives of everyone else in the factory for a puff of tobacco is hardly surprising)

  • @thejustnosy Granted. Still, as he later realized, the loyalty of your workers in an independent industry like that rather beats their frightened and mutinous obedience. Taking his strategy a step up from pulling out his fists like any pub lout wouldn't've harmed him, and might've set the angry starving workers on the really cruel taskmasters. I guess he would've said, "This is how we do it in the North". At least he's not pretentious.

  • @StrangerToEarth ok... True!!!! lol

  • Wow he was never physically brutal in the book! Eeeek!

  • Wow he was never physically brutal in the book! Eeeek!

  • they always fall for the badasses... ;)

  • The actress standing behind her spinning machine turns up as Esther Somerson in Bleak house and a very good job she makes of it!

  • He was never that mean in the book, as far as I can remember..

  • Oh my God why is that good looking guy being so mean D:

  • when Thornton comes into view... be still my heart.... <3

  • wow..Hello Mr. thorton, never get tired!

  • They picked the perfect person to play Margaret. She's curvy but not fat, and she's got haughty features even if she's not haughty. It's great to see girls looking like women should, and not with masculine-like bodies and looking like walking sticks!

  • ladies...pause at 2.33...and then staaaaaaaaaare

  • @ahenmaxtae *sigh* I never get tired of watching Richard Armitage in this...

  • @ahenmaxtae NAH... 2:30 IT'S A MORE BETTER VIEW... CLEAN UP OUR DROOL PUDDLE PLZ!!!!!!

  • @ahenmaxtae stopped and stared... hm...

  • eh... mr thornton is the hero?! ye gods.

  • I really don't get this. What is going on?

  • Why do the show Ms. Hale looking at Mrs. Thorton? Why does Mrs. Thorton stare at her out the window?

  • Can he plz shout at me if he's gonna look that handsome while at it? 2:35

  • what period is this set in?

  • @sugarbungie This is set in the victorian period I think

  • ok... I KNOW he just beat some guy up but he is finger lickin' smokin' hot!! He has such a presence on screen... mmmmm, angular moody sexy men ftw :D

  • smoking in a factory +billows of highly flammable cotton flying around = get the stupidity beat out of you

  • this is the second time i'm watching this in two days. >_>

    i thought he was crazy as well, beating his workers - but later you find out that he did it because last time a guy smoked, the place lit on fire and heaps of people were killed.

  • @satinsmokee same with me! watched for the first time last night, then i couldnt stop thinking about it so im watching it again

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  • @392jonny This is another story, another time and another country. You can't compare this North and South with the 1985 North and South.

  • @392jonny No it isn't this is much better and you don't have to deal with some of the unpleasant parts of history.

  • What a douche. I don't care if he is hot. That guy deserves a good hard knee in the groin. Beating his workers...what an asshole.

  • That guy is an idiot! smoking inside a cotton factory.. he deserved it.

  • in the words on one of my best friends, "HE IS SO BEAUTIFUL!!!"

    ahhhhhh *swoon* ....that was also her reaction. :) but my God he is hot!

    me and her have like entire conversations about this movie, and what's better is that we're studying the industrial revolution in world history right now, so this movie makes a lot of sense....and even some of the pictures in our textbook look exactly like some scenes in this movie!

  • The scene that all cotton is flying is really beautiful .... But it's not good for health .

    I like the film adaptations of British literature . Each scene is beautiful and the story is decent .

  • i honestly dont know what it is, but i just love old english/scottish films...they seem magical even as they describe a bit harsher life style than we have now. Thank you for adding this on here, its a delight to be able to watch it whenever i please

    -whitney of Idaho, USA

  • i honestly dont know what it is, but i just love old english/scottish films...they seem agical even as they describe a bit harsher life style than we have now. Thank you for adding this on here, its a delight to be able to watch it whenever i please

    -whitney of Idaho, USA

  • aarrrrggghhh she does not look like margaret hale....:((((

    as for mr thornton....oooooooohhhh yessssssss....sex on legs....

    --seriously tho where does this happen in the novel??? its annoying...

  • there are very few instances where the adaptation is better than the original source. its far, far better than the novel

  • Richard Armitage! *gaspy-gaspy swoony-swoony*

  • Yay!Richard Armitage! The book is great. I'm doing my A-level English coursework on it in connection with Marxism.

  • right..who in the world would wear cotton? : ) Just the entire world.

  • @Sarcastic07 Well it wasn't like that then. In europe and in high class. I believe it was beeing seen as a cheep replacment of good fabrics like silk.

  • Yes, thats why I made the joke. Because they assumed no one would ever wear cotton and now that is all we wear. Joke.

  • @Sarcastic07 actually, isn't it also in the book? and I don't think she knew at that time, people would be wearing cotton later.

  • @jerona Yes, I know. I was just making a joke.

  • @Sarcastic07 oops I misunderstood.. I thought you said, it the series it was meant as a joke.. okay nm :)

  • @jerona lol its all good

  • i havent seen this before can somebody please sum up wat happened before this, please (: thanks

  • @monny1emano not much!

  • @monny1emano:

    you have only missed about 10 minutes of the movie. But part 1 is also up.

  • just watch part one lol

  • haha i actually ended up buying it since i loved it so much!! thanks a lot tho for those who helped (:

  • 4:04 - didn't she also play in Becoming Jane?

  • oh yer! she played cassandra, i didn't actually notice before

  • @olooshia

    she also played in bleak house

  • I loved the book but I love this mini-series better..It has Richard Armitage!!

  • 2:30 the Big Man himself!!

  • what year is this supposed to be happening in?

  • 1840s or 1850s maybe? I am not sure.

  • i still can't believe they killed his character off in robin hood.urhg

  • I totally remember learning about thiese machines and the Industrial Revolution in World History. I wonder if Margaret will ever see that blonde woman again! "No one who is anyone wishes to buy cotton"... Just wait a couple ceturies lady. :P The music is soo good and mysterious.... I <3 this series :D

  • All that cotton flying about actually looks really beautiful, like it's snowing indoors! Although, it's obviously not good for your breathing.

  • can someone recommend me another story like this one i love this time period and ive read all jane austen novels wuthering heights and jane eyre...what other book is just as good as this one????pls!!!

  • Have you tried any Thomas Hardy?

  • No which one do u recommend?

  • Tess of the D'urbervilles is pretty tragic.

  • ok good if its similar to the books i read then indeed Tess of the D'urbervilles it is!

  • I hope you enjoy it ;)

  • thank you!

  • Jazeneth : Far from the madding crowd by Hardy has a good hero ( Gabriel Oak)

  • Little Women by Louisa May Alcott is quite  wonderful, it is set during the Civil War in US. Of course it doesn't have RA stalking around! A Tree Grows in Brooklyn by Betty Smith is my favorite book of all time. And of course there is the charming Bridget Jones Diary which is a post-modern P&P.

  • Wide Sargasso Sea is really good. As for excellent films, I highly recommend Shakespeare Retold especially Taming of the Shrew. You'll find it on youtube if you search for srt tots. Enjoy.

  • wow thank you so much judithj1 and toojubeJM1!!

  • Indeed. Tots is absolutely brilliant. Love "Mourining Murtle" as Cathrine. And Rufus as well.

  • I am so pleased you love it too. Pity Youtube has blocked some audio, but its available on dvd for the essential repeated viewing. RS is gorgeous.

  • OH MY GOSH! I FOUND THE MOVIE! I'M SO HAPPY! Okay sorry folks xD my dad had it on DVD and then he moved away and I couldn't remember what the movie was called :O I LOVE IT! And em, is it just me, or is this not the first bit? =S

  • Excuse me I forgot to read the title! I think I'll go watch part one first...

  • written after pride and prejudice, yet equally as beautiful. If not more. :D Thorton is the new Darcy for me. :D

  • violent..

    I like it

    >: )

  • 2:29, he looks all so perfect, and then....

    But he's still so irresistable =P

  • British is the best :D

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  • I wonder if there's someone here not in love with mr. Thornton... *___*

  • We all love him no matter if he is Mr. Thorton or Sir Guy if Gisbourne or Lucas North!!

  • I agree xD

  • oh mr. thornton.. bad first impression~!

  • Isn't always the same bad first impression?? :P

  • HOT bad first impression LOL

  • *heart flutters* Arhh i'm in love with him ^^

  • Oh my...

  • god i'm in love with a man in a movie! my love is doomed!

  • oh yessss :)<3

  • god, what a brute he is :0

  • but a sexy brute <3