I like your style of fighting and speed but I have to say in mma I've never seen anyone punch for a shoulder or a chest and rotating back is good to avoid getting your self hit but ur leaving your leg forward and dragging it back and I would have shot in and took you Down. Just an observation
@mcloven83 All I can answer about your last statement, there are three main stances in WC. Two are not often used in combat. One is called a side stance and that is the one you will most likely see in combat and the side stance will not give you the lead leg. The one Jin is doing is called the circle stance. It is mainly used to close the gap between you and the opponent. And Yes you can take him down, but WC is very mobile so we can quickly shift sideways and take the lead leg away and hit you.
love this guy, lol, he makes several points, especially about the way people fight today as compared to china and the centuries, realistic fighting, good point jin young.
@onionman224 this is a drill. But if your enemy tried to hit your face you would most likely either A: if it is a straight punch in any way keep your arms centerlined still swiping it across your face to swipe it away with your other hand crossing under then over to counter attack. OR B: if its a right hook one arm is out to the side of your face to block punch and other hand extends out to hit them
this is some movies shit..i would knock your ass out if you do that shit to me..street fight would fuck any fight up because you wont expected the unexpected shit...
Hi Jin. I'm a boxer yet have always been interested in Wing Chun coz i found it very similar to boxing. Actually WC is the one that I find closest to boxing in essence. The shoulder movements you do in the vid are exactly what boxers do when they slip and counterpunch, and when you catch a punch with one hand and at the same time throw with the other hand, that's also just like boxing. I wonder if you think so too. Thanks for such good vids, and I wish to have a chance to learn WC some day.
This is a great video, and isn't it surprising how many WC fighters do not understand this concept? You see so many of them in the videos on YT just closing like you said and getting pounded as a result. Although, there aren't many good WC fights on YT, admittedly.
Dude, what the fuck is your problem? You have something against some ones fighting? You think americians are better then any other race at everything? Fuck off you fucking piece of shit.
My own skepticism of trapping aside, I'm curious how rolling the shoulders defends effectively against western style punches. Your spine remains straight and your head stationary in relation to the hips. Most people in Europe and the States are head hunters. Without slipping, bobbing and weaving, I don't see how this works.
Chinaboxer I've been watching your videos & I'd like to say your awesome bro. I've been wanting to train WC for awhile now & you seem like a great & practical teacher. I was wondering are u willing to tell us where you teach it? :>
first thing i want to say: i think you are a great teacher. i have one question about a posssible disadvantage of wing tsun: is it possible that practising wt through several years creates an unbalanced muscle structure and, due to this, bad habits concerning the depoutment of the upper body? a lot of wt - practitioners i see have strong muscles on arms, shoulders and chest, but very weak muscles on their back in comparison, which seems to make their shoulders kind of hang to the front.
@breedingpitmetal I would beg to disagree my friend. In Wing Chun you are relaxed so there should be no greater or less muscle in any area. If you round your shoulders, it maybe a lack of flexibility or a sign of tension. Each person has a responsibility to his or her personal development of their body. Wing Chun uses equal force in all directions, pushing, pulling, trapping and grabbing.
Ther's nothing wrong. It's just shifting and aligning your centerline according to the attack when moving forward. The punch is at shoulder probably to empasize the shifting and turning which also moves the head or face.
@Bacon22122 No, He want to strike the center but turning the body makes it more easier to block the center line punch. So he give a example of striking the shoulder.
@Dryasian Shouldn't you drill real life situations? Cause you're gonna do all your training with the thought that the person is trying to punch your shoulder... DUMB
@Bacon22122 Its a damn drill, its teaching you how to move your body. jeesus if you have to question this further more you might as well not bother learning wing chun or watching anymore vids.
To making this video more valid, get a good boxer that extends and lunges the jab to prove your point. What fighters attack the shoulder with strikes? Try showing a drill when the dude's attacking your head and torso. And the upper body of Wing Chun is awesome. However, i'm not impressed with the footwork try incorporating it with some boxing or kickboxing footwork. Your takedown defense should include a sprawl to set up strikes. You couldn't stop a collegiate wrestlers TD with that defense.
@MmaNcovers yeh but also he's using his hand to push the punch away while using footwork and body movements which is a good defence ive used a similar defence and almost never got hit
the foot work he's using is okay, but its not good enough against a very athletic person REALLY COMES AT YOU. and knows how to strike with combinations. MY poimt is this. all these drills are GREAT. HOWEVER, i want to see them applied in a real sparring session. Most important point of all, "SHOW DON"T TELL".
@theawakener7 Are you high, its dead fucking simple, we all share a common ancestor and genes are selected for via mating pressures and environment. As the experimental changes take place so do the selection pressures. If all the leaves are up high, the animal with the longest neck will get to eat the most, have the most kids and thus the offspring will carry over the same traits. Very over simplified but yeah its dead simple.
@aminul1984 I am gay as a bright sunny day, thats how i pick up on the signals (^.o) These 2 practically have their own radio station, they putting out a lot of waves trust me. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
lol... ppl in the states dont fight like that , its more like a rocking throwing contest... i think joe rogan said that once, but still really true about how most ppl throw punches and move to close distance. Do you guys care about having your head open, or is that not a factor cause you chain like 20 punches together and rely on finishing before your opponent starts?
I really enjoy these. The closest Kung Fu school to me is ... too far. I'm starting in Krav Maga next month, but want to learn more about Wing Chun at the same time. And these are perfect. They make sense to me. Thanks for sharing what you know.
when fighitng a boxer in the states all you have to do is yuo lowkick since all boxer dun focus on lower part of the body cause they cant use kick in their fights
@theawakener7 - JKD was a concept, that Lee started to build into a style. But, kept changing everything in it as he realized how little he knew, & as he learned more & more. Eventually, he decided JKD was not to become a real style, & stay only as a concept. In fact, Lee didnt even want his own students to master all he knew, as he would not go over material that was missed, & only taught certain things to select ppl. JKD never was an complete real art, & lee didnt want it made as such.
Hey Jin can you post some videos of you fighting in tournaments or sparring or something, I would really love to see a good fluid fight with wing chun and see how you use all these techniques in live combat. Thank you
@theawakener7 - There r many ways to punch, but WC chooses not to reach more than 1.5ft distance max, not because they cant, but because the main principle of safety. This rule was developed from numerous losses in combat & lost lives. Many concepts forming a full system. These principles can be applied in ways not typically taught/drilled, but still remain the same. JKD isnt the master of all techniques, nor the best at combat. Its merely a "concept " that never got finished.
@mad1966dog - Lee didnt make a system, which shows how little u know about lee & JKD. He also never finished wc, nor did he ever dismiss it. His concept "JKD" translates: "The way of the intercepting fists". Which reality means intercepting arms - which is the very foundation of Wingchun.. &the very foundation of what he used to take his opposition out. His concept was a style without any limits/rules, but he learned & perfected techniques from many styles & well understood the reasons/rules.
@xiaou2 you could debate that Bruce Lee saw the limitations with any single style including wing chun...and therefore incorporated whatever worked to present us with modern MMA... You don't want to credit wing chun too much for Bruce Lee deciding on the use of "intercepting fist" for naming "his" style since Bruce Lee actually realized the hypocrisy in naming his style, work, system or whatever you want to call JKD. Just some thoughts on the subject from a humble student of all arts..
@fievel3782 - Every styles has weaknesses, including WC - which is a 'Reduced' art. But Most especially the Artists who have Poor technique due2poor training/understanding. Lee knew this more than anyone, yet, modern TV MMA is shallow, taught fast, & its ppl r 'sloppy'. Very poor execution of textbook technique. Lee didnt just learn a little, try it, then give up. He perfected each move & got them2work flawlessly, to his bodies full potentials. This is why he was / is so recognized.
@xiaou2 Come on..you're giving me too much to play with with your generalizations.. :) Firstly, no one including Bruce Lee himself would consider himself as reaching perfection. High level, yes. Perfection, no such thing. Bruce Lee called himself a student teacher at all times. Secondly, your generalizations about MMA fighters is too...general. There are some really great fighters in MMA, just because like Lee advocated, they don't have a fixed style, hence may be perceived as sloppy.
@xiaou2 I love Bruce Lee as much as anyone, (I'm Chinese btw), but I never want to make the gross exaggerations that he was anything more than human in terms of his fighting ability. No fighter is held in that regard. I credit Bruce Lee with tremendous accomplishments that no fighter in the world can take away from him, and that is spreading martial arts to the entire world, especially western through his movies and teachings.
@xiaou2 ,,,you think you know everything, your comments to others here are fucking bollocks. I bet your a specky little shit sitting wanking over Karate kid. you have never had a real fight in your life..fucking tosser.
@mad1966dog - ur trolling is funny. But really, u have no idea...& it only makes u look even more pathetic that u try 2make a foul stink & judgment based on no evidence whatsoever. People with intelligence base their responses by factual data & anyone with a brain can read my replies & see than I know more than the average bear. Your negativity is result of hurt feelings / jealousy / bitterness. no useful content posted. Nothing but foul words that make u look bad / childish / low class.
The purpose of Wing Chun is to be free flowing. The stances and drills are not designed to be used in combat. More to adjust one's physical mechanics and strength level. TRUE Wing Chun is not about getting close to an opponent or not. Alot of the arts today are taught as a means of combat as opposed to a means to unlock one's movement and natural ability. Just as great basketball players don't move just like the drills they do. It helps one to flow freely. Adaptation is key. Not form.
@LOSTANGELSMUSIC - The purpose is to survive. And proper structure will give you a higher percentage than "slop & hop". For ex: A neutral facing stance can and does work in combat. I know, because Ive used it. I agree that some drills are only for training. However, that shouldnt be mistaken for technical aspects of wc being useless or interpretive. Each movement works in the drills as they should in reality: the principles should never change. Form is truth, slop is misunderstanding & luck.
@MrJaystar14 And you would get your ass handed to you by any half way decent thai fighter. IP man, more like dick lips frail old faggot who would get a flogging from any modern MMA fighter....i mean ANY.
I appreciate Chinaboxers ideas & opinions, however, the start of the drill is contradictory to how WC works. The Limbs ARE the Primary defense. When limbs are used for interception, body movement is many times not needed. Shifting & Turning are done only if the power/energy starts to compromise ur structure. Moving is done to counter deep step moves & also to gain better angles for interceptions leverage/timing.
@xiaou2 - Good Proof of this is Chinaboxer getting hit several times Trying to use the shoulder & moving / shifting. The hands can move 50x as fast as the body / footwork. Which is why the lead limbs are used intercept first, then the interception will take most of the power & speed off the strike as well as tell the fighter that he has to or does not have to move at all. Shifting every time, can end up losing u leverage, stability, dual hand distance / time.
@xiaou2 good point, I would add this exercise is potentially a great way to increase speed through the shoulders. Sanshou or kungfu people practice turning the shoulders rapidly (which might be another contradiction to WC in terms of center line punching). However, from a marquess of queensbury perspective, the body can be trained very effectively for defense...ala Mike Tyson. You don't waste energy blocking, and you make your opponent miss, and pay.
@fievel3782 - I think you misinterpret what Im saying. You are changing your lines to meet the forces best, but not so much as to compromise yourself. WC doesnt teach shoulder 'extension',cause it opens holes, as well weakening+ possibly giving up good structure. Its a simple "shift". A full "hip+chest+shoulder", all working as one. There is no such thing as wasting energy blocking. Its called safety first, & when your lifes on the line, u might understand the reasoning better.
@xiaou2 I understand fully what you're saying. As a student of both, I can relate to advantages of both styles. If you studied boxing, you would also understand the advantages of slipping an attack. Because no one really disputes the power of a full swing boxing punch.. It's simple physics. If you're using your "structure" to deflect/block/parry, and attack at the same time, you can't utilize all of your body's leverage to throw a stronger attack.
But what happens if someone taller than you would be against you
Obviously their arms are longer than yours
So how is it possible to intercept when they are jabbing their arms straight towards your body (not like a robot though but similar to boxing), this just stops you from really reaching them with enough impact
@sukarestu - 1st interception for safety & bridge. Next find or create weakness in their structure while advancing & taking advantage of that weakness. If bridge lost/too short, its ok, your safe. In a real fight, there will be a heavy committal,
such as a power cross, which will give plenty of time for counter / bridge destruction. Also, in real fight, the guy presses forward recklessly, with little caution. (does not jab then run away)
@sukarestu - A fighter w/ a "Plan" isnt a good fighter. A good fighter is adaptive & live. Mindless, cause thought is 2slow in combat,+things never go as planned when the other isnt cooperating. Getting bridge is easy, but bridge isnt meant to stay up. Its safety interception, & only attack if there is weakness... such as a counter off the bridge from the guy who is trying to hit u.
@sukarestu - If u plan for the desert, & end up in the polar cap, you will be done. A fight happens at fraction of second exchanges. U cant plan what the ops will do. &if u do, he may clock u while ur trying to think about it. Fighting is more like a man who brings every tool he can think of, well skilled/sharp, & uses & reacts adaptively as things happen. Aside from some sneaky trickery, its pretty much reaction based on former training (muscle memory).
@xiaou2 - And to be more clear, Trickery is also part of most arts training. Meaning, that even though it may seem like some sort of thought out plan... its not. Its part of the training they did, and it just happened to be at the correct moment of time and space for it all to come together. The depth of thought should be bare minimal. More focus on ur body, positioning, weight, vectors, distances, timing, techniques, etc. No emotions, just complete robotic-like focus.
@xiaou2 To further define the point I am trying to make....Find the best WC practitioner in the whole world....Tell him, he's going to face a world class boxer in his own weight class, and without kicks being allowed, let them fight using only their fists. Who do you think would win?
Notice how I'm not talking about actual streetfight, but a sport with rules (hands only). The point I'm making is you can't compare anything with actual streetfighting. MMA is MMA, boxing is boxing, WC is WC.
@fievel3782 - While to a degree you are correct, in that each has its purpose... that does not mean I cant be angered at the joke that is MMA in the mass media. Most of them cant even throw the most basic of kicks without it being slow as hell, telegraphed, poor power, & completely off balance. Most especially their poor attitude that they Think they have revolutionized fighting! Thats a real laugh riot. They havnt even scratched the surface.
U can also 'force' a bridge, as when you close and shoot a technique close enough, the op will make one, by punch or other hand method. Its not as easy or safe to chase, but that is the reality of combat. The chaser is always at the disadvantage. Longer arms mean little when you consider that more importantly, the leg will reach before the punch. Meaning, if he can just reach you w/ a punch, you should have already shut him down w/ a kick. If he shut ur kick down, hes prolly close enuff 2hit.
Finally, yes, boxing may not teach constant pressing like real combat. However, eventually they will want to strike.. and a strike is a committed entry. If its a jab, and its slapped away... no biggie. It wasnt a major danger anyways. Its when the power shot comes in, where you have the golden moment to make a play that will end the fight for good. Ive come to find, that 2great fighters can go 'hit-less' quite some time... unless one gets impatient & makes mistakes. fighting is like chess.
@xiaou2 However, in a real fight, you could argue it's safer to block vs. slip if you are not trained in slipping punches. I can agree with you here....Either way, you can't deny the effectiveness of a great slip if you are properly trained...
@fievel3782 - Actually Wc dont block, mostly re-directs. U could say some Wc's like a 1hand-slip. 1 keeps ops arm in check (+leverage & possible push/slap) , while fist hits safely. Negatives w/ slips: more committed, can b faked into traps, balance@risk (curved/learning spine) & very problematic if doesnt land well. A slip is harder2read if its missed (no 'sticking' connection). Any strike/tech can b great&work, but all have advantages&disadvantages.
@xiaou2 Remember, textbook technique is the very thing Lee was trying to get away from with his teachings. The best is what works. Additionally, (with my flame suit on) I would concur with Bas Rutten's comments on Bruce Lee needing adjustments in his training and skill if he were brought back to life to compete in MMA today. Again, nothing against Lee. It's just times have evolved the sport tremendously, and I don't think you can dispute that.
@fievel3782 - No. Lee was against set rules. Not textbook technique. Techniques were developed & mastered for thousands of years in the making. Theres pretty much nothing that is an improovment, that has not been thought of to make the techs any better. Lee did not believe in knowing 1000 techs & being poor at them. He was a perfectionist, learned each tech, and trained it to maximum potentials. Lee trained4real combat, not sport, &knew a poorly thrown tech could = loss of life.
@xiaou2 When I'm talking about textbook technique, I'm describing the stances and "foundations" and "hands at the waist" stuff that Bruce Lee despised. Not textbook technique to throw a proper punch, or kick. It's the people sticking to fixed "textbook" techniques that he despised...Again, you're trying to split hairs here..
@xiaou2 If your arm is sticking to the attack of an opponent, whether you redirected it with your body, or your arm, I would call that a block....and you still have less leverage to land your own punch.
Regarding leaning your back when slipping. The lean in a slip is what allows the properly trained boxer to execute a powerful counter of his own. Think technique of hip rotation, should snap, etc. after a properly executed slip. And btw, is harder to train and master with the back muscles.
@fievel3782 - If u think that there is less leverage, then you do not understand chinese arts. WC uses wedges, which derail an op off the path, but you stay On the path, grounded, steady, stable, and powerful. The strike usually not thrown@same time, but 2nd arm further closes the ops arms down w/ temp. leverage traps@lightning speed.
@fievel3782 - BTW, to broaden your horizons, I think you should look up the definitions of things like: Parry, Push, Slap, Absorb, Wedge, Limb Destruction, Crashing, (and more) A block in most places in only One type of motion / energy.. and does not even come close to the other means of interceptions. It would be like calling sand, snow.
@fievel3782 - If u slip a punch+counter, & the other guy stops your counter with his own.. such as a neck grab+flying knee to the head...or a downward elbow point to the neck... you are done. People are so used to seeing 1dimensional fighting, that they dont think its even possible to counter a counter. Majority dont train that way, but, thats whats done in the deeper arts, cause that was the level of skill needed to succeed/live long, back then.
@fievel3782 - Finally, there are many arts which use short range power techniques that can attain lethal levels of power in only inches of space. There is no need for huge back muscles, wide arc swings, and easier to read motions. I will never discount the power in wider arc motions, nor the skill it takes to develop & use it. I myself practice both methods actually. But pretty much would only use short power (fajin) in a real combat situation.
@xiaou2 Of course you can counter a counter. And a block is a synonym for a few of the defensive techniques you just described..lol of course there are different types of defensive movements. No point in splitting hairs. My point was to argue your generalizations about certain topics. Not to compare Wing Chun, or marquess of queensbury with ACTUAL fighting. I'm not comparing anything with actual fighting, just describing a few pros and cons of WC and boxing.
@xiaou2@xiaou2 Just another note on this comment.. The hook is not used in WC because it is circular and according to you, can be telegraphed. After learning both boxing, and WC, I can tell you that the left hook is one of the most awesome punches in any sport. A boxer that throws a proper left hook makes it very short, and hard to telegraph. To try and block a great hook with a BLOCK is challenging to say the least.
@fievel3782 - Wrong. There is hooking in WC when the straight line is closed off, & at very close range. Its not used as a primary / distance, because of safety/weaknesses that the tech creates in ur structure. With proper trained technique, escaping & blocking hooks isnt as hard as you think. I dont talk about things I have not tested at power/speed myself, against far larger ops. I dont discount hooks, but when I can land a 6" strike @15% power2the forehead & KO.. hook isnt needed.
@WhirlwindWerewolf In the sport of boxing, you are taught to bob and weave and hook punch. A hook is a medium to close range weapon. That means you don't use it in far range, because you'll miss. As any skilled boxer will demonstrate, the h is an awesome weapon if you have good mobility to get inside, usually preceded by a jab or a simple slip the left side, that will give you the leverage, and distance to throw a good h. The key is to keep your head down as you come up to throw it.
@WhirlwindWerewolf To answer your question more completely, there are basically 3 ways to defend against a hook, the first one is bob and weave and counter with right hand, the 2nd one is to lean back, then with a straight right, counter. The third is to block, or catch the punch with your right hand (assuming it's a left hook) and counter with the left hand (not as good as you have to basically take the punch...but as you know boxers are tough and take punches)
@WhirlwindWerewolf The best solution for shorter fighters is the bob and weave. Make sure to rely on your leg muscles to dip down, and you want to lean away from the punch initially so you don't absorb the full impact of the punch if it lands. Obviously your hands are up as well. after leaning away from the punch, you basically slip or move in the opposite direction while ducked, so the hook passes over your head. Train fast, and hard this movement, and you can bob, slip most punches.
@WhirlwindWerewolf One more thing, do not bend forward at the waist. You want to lower your body with your legs only. The side to side motion is through your back, and hips.
@xiaou2 No 'sticking' connection with a slip... That's the purpose of the slip! So you don't have to make connection with your opponent, and simply knock him out with a counter. Again, not arguing with you against blocking...I'm simply stating it's pointless to argue that WC is better because as we all know, no style is better. Great fighters use both blocks, and slips effectively...
@fievel3782 - I said no sticking, as to define the difference. The sticking done in wc, is to know where their arms are. If you stick, u have better defensive ability / safety. I would say that there are superior techniques & methods of fighting.. especially when it comes down to real situations. Not merely in WC, but spread across many arts. There are things that when mastered, give a definite advantage. If you are not well trained, it wont matter what advantages u may have tho.
@fievel3782 - Remember, boxers dont have the best defensive abilities. And they wear Huge gloves to help remedy that... both in defense (space), as well as lowered damages. A bare fist takes a lot less power to KO, so 1hit could easily end it. This is why many styles have developed much more safer methods. They couldnt train a fighter for +10yrs, & have him axed in 2seconds flat in a battle, by a rookie that hits hard.
@sukarestu - Also, WC does not have to hit on the first or 2nd beat. Its a constant flow of arm movements coupled with closing footwork. It could take 2,3,4.. or more moves, before you are able to shoot the strike. "destroying the bridge". Eventually, the person with superior structure and leverage will overtake the bridge, and gain entry without harm. This may be slower than other styles, but its also much more protective.
I would think the reason you would train this drill on the shoulder is so you can practice reacting to someone punching at full speed and full force rather than someone aiming at your head but controlling the punch. If you watch, you'll notice where they're targetting is actually very close to the chin, which is a common jabbing target. This drill is mainly meant for training footwork and body positioning at a realistic speed so you can get to the most advantageous place for a block or punch.
Thank you for not having your head in the sand. I'm only a beginner in WC, but I'm already trying to condition myself so that my footwork gets me out of the way and keeps me mobile because you make a good point: ppl fight differently in the west and a lot differently in reality generally. now I have a new drill to start practicing with. Thanks, man!
@jlingx you suck. People could learn W.E they want all style are good depend on the fighter if they good or not. Like he said from the begaining learn how to adapt American way can't fight like back in china. If you don't like it watch something else.
@MegaDash88 ： correct me if i am wrong, jeet kune do and wing chun is totally different kungfu right? how could wing chun gets help from other kungfu? if jeet kune do is better why would we go to learn jeet kune do and totally dismiss wing chun, man?
@jlingx Jeet kune do's foundation is based on wing chun the wing chun foot work is there just slight changes that allow you to keep your balance for higher kicks and faster foot work
I think the reason he is teaching to hit the shoulder and not the face is so you remember and focus on your movement! That's why the lesson is called distance fighting (bridging the gap)
I think this guy has some serious skills, and he is far superior in martial arts then me... But what has moving your shoulders and moving around a lot with Wing Chun? In Wing Chun your body stay's straight and you let your limps, hand be your major defense. And conserving your energy as much as you can? Not moving a lot and shifting your body?
@xboxlivegstar11 Yeah cause getting blind drunk and then picking fights with people shows not only how cool you are, but just how clever you are also. Then when your court date comes around and the bar video tape is reviewed you can look forward to the good hard ass pumping you will get in the prison showers. Way to go tough guy you go get em. Seriously you should be chemically castrated to prevent gene pool degradation.
hi china boxer. i want to lear wing chun but in nervous about going to a class as I have never done ANY martial arts in my life before and im in my 20's. Any tips?
jin, thw way u were demonstrating moving ur shoulder and upper body away from the punch, would not use that to step in and counter
TheMismatcher 1 week ago
4:47 ur gunna play with eachother
InnerMantra 1 month ago
yea man fuck mma
migs52213 1 month ago
i watched ip-man :D
Meho47 2 months ago 8
I like your style of fighting and speed but I have to say in mma I've never seen anyone punch for a shoulder or a chest and rotating back is good to avoid getting your self hit but ur leaving your leg forward and dragging it back and I would have shot in and took you Down. Just an observation
mcloven83 4 months ago
@mcloven83 All I can answer about your last statement, there are three main stances in WC. Two are not often used in combat. One is called a side stance and that is the one you will most likely see in combat and the side stance will not give you the lead leg. The one Jin is doing is called the circle stance. It is mainly used to close the gap between you and the opponent. And Yes you can take him down, but WC is very mobile so we can quickly shift sideways and take the lead leg away and hit you.
yuske185 3 months ago
love this guy, lol, he makes several points, especially about the way people fight today as compared to china and the centuries, realistic fighting, good point jin young.
ISGOV 5 months ago 4
Why does that blonde dude always look bored?
Hackmoune 5 months ago 2
@Hackmoune Because HE IS BORED lol. I had the observation: he is pre-occupied with his own mind-bubble, scattered thinking.
Transcendingdong 1 month ago
Lol yeah!!! yeah!!! lol that was funny but the side step dodge thing was real useful
Dentchi 6 months ago
how about when you're enemy try to hits your face? ? ? !
onionman224 6 months ago
@onionman224 this is a drill. But if your enemy tried to hit your face you would most likely either A: if it is a straight punch in any way keep your arms centerlined still swiping it across your face to swipe it away with your other hand crossing under then over to counter attack. OR B: if its a right hook one arm is out to the side of your face to block punch and other hand extends out to hit them
RevelationsProject 6 months ago
i have to train with you i have a fight coming up. this is very useful. i use all styles by using no style
jrsosexy 7 months ago
@mazarsharief This is a martial art?...
SnakeEatersz 7 months ago
this is some movies shit..i would knock your ass out if you do that shit to me..street fight would fuck any fight up because you wont expected the unexpected shit...
the only thing i respect is martial arts..
mazarsharief 7 months ago
@mazarsharief what an idiot this is exercices he never pretended to use it like that in street, just look at the title "punching drill"....
lechacaldu77 7 months ago
@mazarsharief and yea this is a martial art lol..
lechacaldu77 7 months ago
@mazarsharief
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seismictoss6 6 months ago
Very lucid, I like your open minded attitude.
Pantagruelico 7 months ago
Hi Jin. I'm a boxer yet have always been interested in Wing Chun coz i found it very similar to boxing. Actually WC is the one that I find closest to boxing in essence. The shoulder movements you do in the vid are exactly what boxers do when they slip and counterpunch, and when you catch a punch with one hand and at the same time throw with the other hand, that's also just like boxing. I wonder if you think so too. Thanks for such good vids, and I wish to have a chance to learn WC some day.
loooooojason 8 months ago
This is a great video, and isn't it surprising how many WC fighters do not understand this concept? You see so many of them in the videos on YT just closing like you said and getting pounded as a result. Although, there aren't many good WC fights on YT, admittedly.
yosharian 8 months ago
ahahah i laughed at the american part... it's so true.....
realsoundtracks 8 months ago
Jin u should check this sifu.He has the front stand but really works.
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dlvt79 9 months ago
Fuck off makzimation and bacon22122
heshin117 9 months ago
Dude, what the fuck is your problem? You have something against some ones fighting? You think americians are better then any other race at everything? Fuck off you fucking piece of shit.
heshin117 9 months ago
@heshin117 u so mad.
Pantagruelico 7 months ago
My own skepticism of trapping aside, I'm curious how rolling the shoulders defends effectively against western style punches. Your spine remains straight and your head stationary in relation to the hips. Most people in Europe and the States are head hunters. Without slipping, bobbing and weaving, I don't see how this works.
stthomasaquarius 9 months ago
what kind of fighting style is this? im getting into Muay Thai and Jujitsu but i would like to pick up any kind of fighting style for fun.
TheBusinessisgood 10 months ago
for those of you that may not realise this is learning to telegraph, a hugh part of being successful in a fight. Awesome video!
jusaverage 10 months ago
very impressive. solid, easily digestable instruction. i am now a new fan. where is your kwoon if you don't mind my asking?
mikeycrabtree123 10 months ago
Chinaboxer I've been watching your videos & I'd like to say your awesome bro. I've been wanting to train WC for awhile now & you seem like a great & practical teacher. I was wondering are u willing to tell us where you teach it? :>
Uberboy07 11 months ago
first thing i want to say: i think you are a great teacher. i have one question about a posssible disadvantage of wing tsun: is it possible that practising wt through several years creates an unbalanced muscle structure and, due to this, bad habits concerning the depoutment of the upper body? a lot of wt - practitioners i see have strong muscles on arms, shoulders and chest, but very weak muscles on their back in comparison, which seems to make their shoulders kind of hang to the front.
breedingpitmetal 11 months ago
@breedingpitmetal I would beg to disagree my friend. In Wing Chun you are relaxed so there should be no greater or less muscle in any area. If you round your shoulders, it maybe a lack of flexibility or a sign of tension. Each person has a responsibility to his or her personal development of their body. Wing Chun uses equal force in all directions, pushing, pulling, trapping and grabbing.
2bsure 11 months ago
Ther's nothing wrong. It's just shifting and aligning your centerline according to the attack when moving forward. The punch is at shoulder probably to empasize the shifting and turning which also moves the head or face.
karikaalacholan 1 year ago
so... mayweather jr. wants to join MMA... hmmmmm thoughts?? hehehe
wfmsa 1 year ago
@wfmsa Why not? i mean dont throw him in with the best yet, bring him up as any other fighter and see how great he can be in mma.
caseyqli 1 year ago
Wait.....Why is the guy trying to punch him in his shoulder? This is dumb...
Bacon22122 1 year ago
@Bacon22122 No, He want to strike the center but turning the body makes it more easier to block the center line punch. So he give a example of striking the shoulder.
sexocity123 11 months ago
@Bacon22122 Its a drill you idiot, knocking the shoulders teaches you how to react when someones going for a punch.
Dryasian 10 months ago
@Dryasian Shouldn't you drill real life situations? Cause you're gonna do all your training with the thought that the person is trying to punch your shoulder... DUMB
Bacon22122 10 months ago
@Bacon22122 Its a damn drill, its teaching you how to move your body. jeesus if you have to question this further more you might as well not bother learning wing chun or watching anymore vids.
Dryasian 10 months ago
@Dryasian I'm not learning Wing Chun, It's very stupid and it doesn't work. I just came here for a laugh.
Bacon22122 10 months ago
@Bacon22122 ha! - nice Troll...
guitaroso 10 months ago
@Bacon22122 dryasian is a pussy
makzimation 10 months ago
To making this video more valid, get a good boxer that extends and lunges the jab to prove your point. What fighters attack the shoulder with strikes? Try showing a drill when the dude's attacking your head and torso. And the upper body of Wing Chun is awesome. However, i'm not impressed with the footwork try incorporating it with some boxing or kickboxing footwork. Your takedown defense should include a sprawl to set up strikes. You couldn't stop a collegiate wrestlers TD with that defense.
MmaNcovers 1 year ago
@MmaNcovers yeh but also he's using his hand to push the punch away while using footwork and body movements which is a good defence ive used a similar defence and almost never got hit
darkflamebeast 1 year ago
the foot work he's using is okay, but its not good enough against a very athletic person REALLY COMES AT YOU. and knows how to strike with combinations. MY poimt is this. all these drills are GREAT. HOWEVER, i want to see them applied in a real sparring session. Most important point of all, "SHOW DON"T TELL".
MmaNcovers 1 year ago
@theawakener7 Are you high, its dead fucking simple, we all share a common ancestor and genes are selected for via mating pressures and environment. As the experimental changes take place so do the selection pressures. If all the leaves are up high, the animal with the longest neck will get to eat the most, have the most kids and thus the offspring will carry over the same traits. Very over simplified but yeah its dead simple.
myjizzureye 1 year ago
I bet you 2 queers grapple a bit in the showers after training huh.
myjizzureye 1 year ago
@myjizzureye Well you're the only one that thinks that then maybe ur a queer yourself.
aminul1984 1 year ago
@aminul1984 I am gay as a bright sunny day, thats how i pick up on the signals (^.o) These 2 practically have their own radio station, they putting out a lot of waves trust me. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
myjizzureye 1 year ago
@myjizzureye why hide behind youtube
sethfan1000000 1 year ago
@sethfan1000000 What on earth would give you the impression that I am hiding?
myjizzureye 1 year ago
@myjizzureye sorry i meant it to someone else
sethfan1000000 1 year ago
@sethfan1000000 No problem, this new comment thing is rather tricky huh.
myjizzureye 1 year ago
@myjizzureye yeah i meant to tell that to someone saying stupid shit like BOXING FTW it's annoying
sethfan1000000 1 year ago
@sethfan1000000 Yeah boxing does suck donkey balls compared to full body combat.
myjizzureye 1 year ago
@myjizzureye yeah i know
sethfan1000000 1 year ago
7:30 XD he's like yeah yeah
izidor 1 year ago
what a looser! this makes me wanna take kick boxing and kick his ass!
562Krylon 1 year ago
@562Krylon he would beat you up -_- he does also boxing and muay thai and other stuff so you wodnt have a chance
megadeth3691 1 year ago
@megadeth3691 He also does other guys...
myjizzureye 1 year ago
chinaboxer ure the best man, because of u i can learn wing chun from utube!tnx!
kavourakos 1 year ago
lol... ppl in the states dont fight like that , its more like a rocking throwing contest... i think joe rogan said that once, but still really true about how most ppl throw punches and move to close distance. Do you guys care about having your head open, or is that not a factor cause you chain like 20 punches together and rely on finishing before your opponent starts?
kawayan1985 1 year ago
By that I mean do you box western style boxing?
AnGobh 1 year ago
Hey Jin, do you box?
AnGobh 1 year ago
but i like the robot fighting style =(
so they really fight back in the days like in a movie?
hehe good to know
1234561234aa 1 year ago
@1234561234aa well of course LOL
the movies had to be based off of something
dynastyflygon 1 year ago
YOUR VIDEOS IS AWESOME AND WING CHUN IS AWESOME
lovethefool 1 year ago
Chinabox where do you teach?
Apophlc 1 year ago
I really enjoy these. The closest Kung Fu school to me is ... too far. I'm starting in Krav Maga next month, but want to learn more about Wing Chun at the same time. And these are perfect. They make sense to me. Thanks for sharing what you know.
happyicecream1234 1 year ago
@theawakener7 AMEN.
DudleyMcStudly 1 year ago
when fighitng a boxer in the states all you have to do is yuo lowkick since all boxer dun focus on lower part of the body cause they cant use kick in their fights
funnyjokers 1 year ago
@theawakener7 Lol - pretty funny comment coming from someone who doesn't understand evolution.
IronJester1 1 year ago
3:30 haha the guy in white shirt is getting irritated
Kenneth9725 1 year ago
@theawakener7 - JKD was a concept, that Lee started to build into a style. But, kept changing everything in it as he realized how little he knew, & as he learned more & more. Eventually, he decided JKD was not to become a real style, & stay only as a concept. In fact, Lee didnt even want his own students to master all he knew, as he would not go over material that was missed, & only taught certain things to select ppl. JKD never was an complete real art, & lee didnt want it made as such.
xiaou2 1 year ago
chinaboxer > expert village
tracephage 1 year ago
Hey Jin can you post some videos of you fighting in tournaments or sparring or something, I would really love to see a good fluid fight with wing chun and see how you use all these techniques in live combat. Thank you
Krado182 1 year ago
@theawakener7 - There r many ways to punch, but WC chooses not to reach more than 1.5ft distance max, not because they cant, but because the main principle of safety. This rule was developed from numerous losses in combat & lost lives. Many concepts forming a full system. These principles can be applied in ways not typically taught/drilled, but still remain the same. JKD isnt the master of all techniques, nor the best at combat. Its merely a "concept " that never got finished.
xiaou2 1 year ago
you know what...learn Jeet Kune Do, Bruce Lee knew all this long ago and made his system.
mad1966dog 1 year ago
@mad1966dog - Lee didnt make a system, which shows how little u know about lee & JKD. He also never finished wc, nor did he ever dismiss it. His concept "JKD" translates: "The way of the intercepting fists". Which reality means intercepting arms - which is the very foundation of Wingchun.. &the very foundation of what he used to take his opposition out. His concept was a style without any limits/rules, but he learned & perfected techniques from many styles & well understood the reasons/rules.
xiaou2 1 year ago
@xiaou2 you could debate that Bruce Lee saw the limitations with any single style including wing chun...and therefore incorporated whatever worked to present us with modern MMA... You don't want to credit wing chun too much for Bruce Lee deciding on the use of "intercepting fist" for naming "his" style since Bruce Lee actually realized the hypocrisy in naming his style, work, system or whatever you want to call JKD. Just some thoughts on the subject from a humble student of all arts..
fievel3782 1 year ago
@fievel3782 - Every styles has weaknesses, including WC - which is a 'Reduced' art. But Most especially the Artists who have Poor technique due2poor training/understanding. Lee knew this more than anyone, yet, modern TV MMA is shallow, taught fast, & its ppl r 'sloppy'. Very poor execution of textbook technique. Lee didnt just learn a little, try it, then give up. He perfected each move & got them2work flawlessly, to his bodies full potentials. This is why he was / is so recognized.
xiaou2 1 year ago
@xiaou2 Come on..you're giving me too much to play with with your generalizations.. :) Firstly, no one including Bruce Lee himself would consider himself as reaching perfection. High level, yes. Perfection, no such thing. Bruce Lee called himself a student teacher at all times. Secondly, your generalizations about MMA fighters is too...general. There are some really great fighters in MMA, just because like Lee advocated, they don't have a fixed style, hence may be perceived as sloppy.
fievel3782 1 year ago
@xiaou2 I love Bruce Lee as much as anyone, (I'm Chinese btw), but I never want to make the gross exaggerations that he was anything more than human in terms of his fighting ability. No fighter is held in that regard. I credit Bruce Lee with tremendous accomplishments that no fighter in the world can take away from him, and that is spreading martial arts to the entire world, especially western through his movies and teachings.
fievel3782 1 year ago
@xiaou2 ,,,you think you know everything, your comments to others here are fucking bollocks. I bet your a specky little shit sitting wanking over Karate kid. you have never had a real fight in your life..fucking tosser.
mad1966dog 1 year ago
@mad1966dog - ur trolling is funny. But really, u have no idea...& it only makes u look even more pathetic that u try 2make a foul stink & judgment based on no evidence whatsoever. People with intelligence base their responses by factual data & anyone with a brain can read my replies & see than I know more than the average bear. Your negativity is result of hurt feelings / jealousy / bitterness. no useful content posted. Nothing but foul words that make u look bad / childish / low class.
xiaou2 1 year ago
@mad1966dog Your comments sexually arouse me
myjizzureye 1 year ago
The purpose of Wing Chun is to be free flowing. The stances and drills are not designed to be used in combat. More to adjust one's physical mechanics and strength level. TRUE Wing Chun is not about getting close to an opponent or not. Alot of the arts today are taught as a means of combat as opposed to a means to unlock one's movement and natural ability. Just as great basketball players don't move just like the drills they do. It helps one to flow freely. Adaptation is key. Not form.
LOSTANGELSMUSIC 1 year ago
@LOSTANGELSMUSIC - The purpose is to survive. And proper structure will give you a higher percentage than "slop & hop". For ex: A neutral facing stance can and does work in combat. I know, because Ive used it. I agree that some drills are only for training. However, that shouldnt be mistaken for technical aspects of wc being useless or interpretive. Each movement works in the drills as they should in reality: the principles should never change. Form is truth, slop is misunderstanding & luck.
xiaou2 1 year ago
thats apart of glass house techniques
coupwolf 1 year ago
i really want one of those bags man please free
damien4321 1 year ago
4:51 at least aim for each other!
davecub 1 year ago
Stop saying right. You are great!! Right?!?! Love ur videos man:D
dbrebi 1 year ago
Really good video & thanks for this, Now I can practice with my friend.
TaHaHMOOB 1 year ago
i just dont like the stance of american, it bugs me, im much prefer IP man stance.. no offense to u. The videos great though!
MrJaystar14 1 year ago
@MrJaystar14 And you would get your ass handed to you by any half way decent thai fighter. IP man, more like dick lips frail old faggot who would get a flogging from any modern MMA fighter....i mean ANY.
myjizzureye 1 year ago
I appreciate Chinaboxers ideas & opinions, however, the start of the drill is contradictory to how WC works. The Limbs ARE the Primary defense. When limbs are used for interception, body movement is many times not needed. Shifting & Turning are done only if the power/energy starts to compromise ur structure. Moving is done to counter deep step moves & also to gain better angles for interceptions leverage/timing.
xiaou2 1 year ago
@xiaou2 - Good Proof of this is Chinaboxer getting hit several times Trying to use the shoulder & moving / shifting. The hands can move 50x as fast as the body / footwork. Which is why the lead limbs are used intercept first, then the interception will take most of the power & speed off the strike as well as tell the fighter that he has to or does not have to move at all. Shifting every time, can end up losing u leverage, stability, dual hand distance / time.
xiaou2 1 year ago
@xiaou2 good point, I would add this exercise is potentially a great way to increase speed through the shoulders. Sanshou or kungfu people practice turning the shoulders rapidly (which might be another contradiction to WC in terms of center line punching). However, from a marquess of queensbury perspective, the body can be trained very effectively for defense...ala Mike Tyson. You don't waste energy blocking, and you make your opponent miss, and pay.
fievel3782 1 year ago
@fievel3782 - I think you misinterpret what Im saying. You are changing your lines to meet the forces best, but not so much as to compromise yourself. WC doesnt teach shoulder 'extension',cause it opens holes, as well weakening+ possibly giving up good structure. Its a simple "shift". A full "hip+chest+shoulder", all working as one. There is no such thing as wasting energy blocking. Its called safety first, & when your lifes on the line, u might understand the reasoning better.
xiaou2 1 year ago
@xiaou2 I understand fully what you're saying. As a student of both, I can relate to advantages of both styles. If you studied boxing, you would also understand the advantages of slipping an attack. Because no one really disputes the power of a full swing boxing punch.. It's simple physics. If you're using your "structure" to deflect/block/parry, and attack at the same time, you can't utilize all of your body's leverage to throw a stronger attack.
fievel3782 1 year ago
wtf is this shhh??? XDXDXDXD it's not wing tsun :D..... check out grandmaster leung ting ;)
monguzkillamc 1 year ago
The safe manners understandable
But what happens if someone taller than you would be against you
Obviously their arms are longer than yours
So how is it possible to intercept when they are jabbing their arms straight towards your body (not like a robot though but similar to boxing), this just stops you from really reaching them with enough impact
sukarestu 1 year ago
@sukarestu - 1st interception for safety & bridge. Next find or create weakness in their structure while advancing & taking advantage of that weakness. If bridge lost/too short, its ok, your safe. In a real fight, there will be a heavy committal,
such as a power cross, which will give plenty of time for counter / bridge destruction. Also, in real fight, the guy presses forward recklessly, with little caution. (does not jab then run away)
xiaou2 1 year ago
@xiaou2
Traditional boxing doesn't really tell you to press foward recklessly
Sure a brawler does that
If you picked up a fight with someone who's got a plan and an automatic advantage with longer arm reach
Im sure breaking the bridge isn't easy if you opponent will push jabs at your distance and pull back instantly
Basically the bridge comes back as one jab is pulled back with another coming simultaneously
Being on offense would be difficult and much more harmful to yourself than them
sukarestu 1 year ago
@sukarestu - A fighter w/ a "Plan" isnt a good fighter. A good fighter is adaptive & live. Mindless, cause thought is 2slow in combat,+things never go as planned when the other isnt cooperating. Getting bridge is easy, but bridge isnt meant to stay up. Its safety interception, & only attack if there is weakness... such as a counter off the bridge from the guy who is trying to hit u.
xiaou2 1 year ago
@xiaou2
So a fighter with no method of fighting is good?
At least thats what I interpret from "A fighter w/ a plan is not a good fighter"
Unless you believe a plan is a more calm word in relevance to fighting
I believe a "plan" is a more concentrated idea of fighting
Someone like a brawler does not have a "plan"
They just throw hooks face first
Obviously everyone who needs to fight has to be adaptive & live
If you weren't your better off kissing the ground or their shoe
sukarestu 1 year ago
@sukarestu - If u plan for the desert, & end up in the polar cap, you will be done. A fight happens at fraction of second exchanges. U cant plan what the ops will do. &if u do, he may clock u while ur trying to think about it. Fighting is more like a man who brings every tool he can think of, well skilled/sharp, & uses & reacts adaptively as things happen. Aside from some sneaky trickery, its pretty much reaction based on former training (muscle memory).
xiaou2 1 year ago
@xiaou2 - And to be more clear, Trickery is also part of most arts training. Meaning, that even though it may seem like some sort of thought out plan... its not. Its part of the training they did, and it just happened to be at the correct moment of time and space for it all to come together. The depth of thought should be bare minimal. More focus on ur body, positioning, weight, vectors, distances, timing, techniques, etc. No emotions, just complete robotic-like focus.
xiaou2 1 year ago
@xiaou2 To further define the point I am trying to make....Find the best WC practitioner in the whole world....Tell him, he's going to face a world class boxer in his own weight class, and without kicks being allowed, let them fight using only their fists. Who do you think would win?
Notice how I'm not talking about actual streetfight, but a sport with rules (hands only). The point I'm making is you can't compare anything with actual streetfighting. MMA is MMA, boxing is boxing, WC is WC.
fievel3782 1 year ago
@fievel3782 - While to a degree you are correct, in that each has its purpose... that does not mean I cant be angered at the joke that is MMA in the mass media. Most of them cant even throw the most basic of kicks without it being slow as hell, telegraphed, poor power, & completely off balance. Most especially their poor attitude that they Think they have revolutionized fighting! Thats a real laugh riot. They havnt even scratched the surface.
xiaou2 1 year ago
U can also 'force' a bridge, as when you close and shoot a technique close enough, the op will make one, by punch or other hand method. Its not as easy or safe to chase, but that is the reality of combat. The chaser is always at the disadvantage. Longer arms mean little when you consider that more importantly, the leg will reach before the punch. Meaning, if he can just reach you w/ a punch, you should have already shut him down w/ a kick. If he shut ur kick down, hes prolly close enuff 2hit.
xiaou2 1 year ago
Finally, yes, boxing may not teach constant pressing like real combat. However, eventually they will want to strike.. and a strike is a committed entry. If its a jab, and its slapped away... no biggie. It wasnt a major danger anyways. Its when the power shot comes in, where you have the golden moment to make a play that will end the fight for good. Ive come to find, that 2great fighters can go 'hit-less' quite some time... unless one gets impatient & makes mistakes. fighting is like chess.
xiaou2 1 year ago
@xiaou2 However, in a real fight, you could argue it's safer to block vs. slip if you are not trained in slipping punches. I can agree with you here....Either way, you can't deny the effectiveness of a great slip if you are properly trained...
fievel3782 1 year ago
@fievel3782 - Actually Wc dont block, mostly re-directs. U could say some Wc's like a 1hand-slip. 1 keeps ops arm in check (+leverage & possible push/slap) , while fist hits safely. Negatives w/ slips: more committed, can b faked into traps, balance@risk (curved/learning spine) & very problematic if doesnt land well. A slip is harder2read if its missed (no 'sticking' connection). Any strike/tech can b great&work, but all have advantages&disadvantages.
xiaou2 1 year ago
@xiaou2 Remember, textbook technique is the very thing Lee was trying to get away from with his teachings. The best is what works. Additionally, (with my flame suit on) I would concur with Bas Rutten's comments on Bruce Lee needing adjustments in his training and skill if he were brought back to life to compete in MMA today. Again, nothing against Lee. It's just times have evolved the sport tremendously, and I don't think you can dispute that.
fievel3782 1 year ago
@fievel3782 - No. Lee was against set rules. Not textbook technique. Techniques were developed & mastered for thousands of years in the making. Theres pretty much nothing that is an improovment, that has not been thought of to make the techs any better. Lee did not believe in knowing 1000 techs & being poor at them. He was a perfectionist, learned each tech, and trained it to maximum potentials. Lee trained4real combat, not sport, &knew a poorly thrown tech could = loss of life.
xiaou2 1 year ago
@xiaou2 When I'm talking about textbook technique, I'm describing the stances and "foundations" and "hands at the waist" stuff that Bruce Lee despised. Not textbook technique to throw a proper punch, or kick. It's the people sticking to fixed "textbook" techniques that he despised...Again, you're trying to split hairs here..
fievel3782 1 year ago
@xiaou2 If your arm is sticking to the attack of an opponent, whether you redirected it with your body, or your arm, I would call that a block....and you still have less leverage to land your own punch.
Regarding leaning your back when slipping. The lean in a slip is what allows the properly trained boxer to execute a powerful counter of his own. Think technique of hip rotation, should snap, etc. after a properly executed slip. And btw, is harder to train and master with the back muscles.
fievel3782 1 year ago
@fievel3782 - If u think that there is less leverage, then you do not understand chinese arts. WC uses wedges, which derail an op off the path, but you stay On the path, grounded, steady, stable, and powerful. The strike usually not thrown@same time, but 2nd arm further closes the ops arms down w/ temp. leverage traps@lightning speed.
xiaou2 1 year ago
@fievel3782 - BTW, to broaden your horizons, I think you should look up the definitions of things like: Parry, Push, Slap, Absorb, Wedge, Limb Destruction, Crashing, (and more) A block in most places in only One type of motion / energy.. and does not even come close to the other means of interceptions. It would be like calling sand, snow.
xiaou2 1 year ago
@fievel3782 - If u slip a punch+counter, & the other guy stops your counter with his own.. such as a neck grab+flying knee to the head...or a downward elbow point to the neck... you are done. People are so used to seeing 1dimensional fighting, that they dont think its even possible to counter a counter. Majority dont train that way, but, thats whats done in the deeper arts, cause that was the level of skill needed to succeed/live long, back then.
xiaou2 1 year ago
@fievel3782 - Finally, there are many arts which use short range power techniques that can attain lethal levels of power in only inches of space. There is no need for huge back muscles, wide arc swings, and easier to read motions. I will never discount the power in wider arc motions, nor the skill it takes to develop & use it. I myself practice both methods actually. But pretty much would only use short power (fajin) in a real combat situation.
xiaou2 1 year ago
@xiaou2 Of course you can counter a counter. And a block is a synonym for a few of the defensive techniques you just described..lol of course there are different types of defensive movements. No point in splitting hairs. My point was to argue your generalizations about certain topics. Not to compare Wing Chun, or marquess of queensbury with ACTUAL fighting. I'm not comparing anything with actual fighting, just describing a few pros and cons of WC and boxing.
fievel3782 1 year ago
@xiaou2 @xiaou2 Just another note on this comment.. The hook is not used in WC because it is circular and according to you, can be telegraphed. After learning both boxing, and WC, I can tell you that the left hook is one of the most awesome punches in any sport. A boxer that throws a proper left hook makes it very short, and hard to telegraph. To try and block a great hook with a BLOCK is challenging to say the least.
fievel3782 1 year ago
@fievel3782 - Wrong. There is hooking in WC when the straight line is closed off, & at very close range. Its not used as a primary / distance, because of safety/weaknesses that the tech creates in ur structure. With proper trained technique, escaping & blocking hooks isnt as hard as you think. I dont talk about things I have not tested at power/speed myself, against far larger ops. I dont discount hooks, but when I can land a 6" strike @15% power2the forehead & KO.. hook isnt needed.
xiaou2 1 year ago
@fievel3782 What do you think the best defense vs. a hook is?
WhirlwindWerewolf 1 year ago
@WhirlwindWerewolf In the sport of boxing, you are taught to bob and weave and hook punch. A hook is a medium to close range weapon. That means you don't use it in far range, because you'll miss. As any skilled boxer will demonstrate, the h is an awesome weapon if you have good mobility to get inside, usually preceded by a jab or a simple slip the left side, that will give you the leverage, and distance to throw a good h. The key is to keep your head down as you come up to throw it.
fievel3782 1 year ago
@WhirlwindWerewolf To answer your question more completely, there are basically 3 ways to defend against a hook, the first one is bob and weave and counter with right hand, the 2nd one is to lean back, then with a straight right, counter. The third is to block, or catch the punch with your right hand (assuming it's a left hook) and counter with the left hand (not as good as you have to basically take the punch...but as you know boxers are tough and take punches)
fievel3782 1 year ago
@WhirlwindWerewolf The best solution for shorter fighters is the bob and weave. Make sure to rely on your leg muscles to dip down, and you want to lean away from the punch initially so you don't absorb the full impact of the punch if it lands. Obviously your hands are up as well. after leaning away from the punch, you basically slip or move in the opposite direction while ducked, so the hook passes over your head. Train fast, and hard this movement, and you can bob, slip most punches.
fievel3782 1 year ago
@WhirlwindWerewolf One more thing, do not bend forward at the waist. You want to lower your body with your legs only. The side to side motion is through your back, and hips.
fievel3782 1 year ago
@WhirlwindWerewolf Bong Sao
aminul1984 1 year ago
@xiaou2 No 'sticking' connection with a slip... That's the purpose of the slip! So you don't have to make connection with your opponent, and simply knock him out with a counter. Again, not arguing with you against blocking...I'm simply stating it's pointless to argue that WC is better because as we all know, no style is better. Great fighters use both blocks, and slips effectively...
fievel3782 1 year ago
@fievel3782 - I said no sticking, as to define the difference. The sticking done in wc, is to know where their arms are. If you stick, u have better defensive ability / safety. I would say that there are superior techniques & methods of fighting.. especially when it comes down to real situations. Not merely in WC, but spread across many arts. There are things that when mastered, give a definite advantage. If you are not well trained, it wont matter what advantages u may have tho.
xiaou2 1 year ago
@fievel3782 - Remember, boxers dont have the best defensive abilities. And they wear Huge gloves to help remedy that... both in defense (space), as well as lowered damages. A bare fist takes a lot less power to KO, so 1hit could easily end it. This is why many styles have developed much more safer methods. They couldnt train a fighter for +10yrs, & have him axed in 2seconds flat in a battle, by a rookie that hits hard.
xiaou2 1 year ago
@sukarestu - Also, WC does not have to hit on the first or 2nd beat. Its a constant flow of arm movements coupled with closing footwork. It could take 2,3,4.. or more moves, before you are able to shoot the strike. "destroying the bridge". Eventually, the person with superior structure and leverage will overtake the bridge, and gain entry without harm. This may be slower than other styles, but its also much more protective.
xiaou2 1 year ago
this was very informative :D. But can anyone show any vids of REAL kungfu fighting?
kokocipher 1 year ago
I would think the reason you would train this drill on the shoulder is so you can practice reacting to someone punching at full speed and full force rather than someone aiming at your head but controlling the punch. If you watch, you'll notice where they're targetting is actually very close to the chin, which is a common jabbing target. This drill is mainly meant for training footwork and body positioning at a realistic speed so you can get to the most advantageous place for a block or punch.
ruofnapaj 1 year ago
i think we need more chinese fighters in mma. itd be cool to have someone bring chinese martial arts into the fight game. too many wrestlers.
nynosix 1 year ago
I love your videos! I think they're the best thing ive seen to learn wing chun next to actually getting a good teacher.
DrunkImmortal 1 year ago
Thank you for not having your head in the sand. I'm only a beginner in WC, but I'm already trying to condition myself so that my footwork gets me out of the way and keeps me mobile because you make a good point: ppl fight differently in the west and a lot differently in reality generally. now I have a new drill to start practicing with. Thanks, man!
vombie 1 year ago
very nice.... thx for the information.
SuperSoma23 1 year ago
wish i looked that good in a wife beater...
EMT22637 1 year ago
"I shift my weight to my rear leg"
I was just about to ask about stance.
Only being a beginner I have been told in my fighting stance to place my weight on my back leg in the first place.
Would you be able to shed some light on this?
Fatalpath 1 year ago
nice one jin , i will be checking out your other stuff , check mine out as well
badboybrendan 1 year ago
Nice one Jin, and mr cool lol , thanks for this i will be looking at your other vids , check out mine sometime
Brendan
badboybrendan 1 year ago
nice, very nice
pregnantnproud 1 year ago
Jin, you're one of the greatest teacher I have seen! I wish I could train under you. I would call you master!
goodfeather16 1 year ago
LMAO like a kung fu movie
azncharlesjai 1 year ago
Could we still use Tan Sau, Pak sau, etc.?
SlaveSlayer2010 1 year ago
too fast for the camera! haha
ChanielDan 1 year ago
@jlingx you suck. People could learn W.E they want all style are good depend on the fighter if they good or not. Like he said from the begaining learn how to adapt American way can't fight like back in china. If you don't like it watch something else.
Kenivoo 1 year ago
Great clips!
Kenivoo 1 year ago
if u move like a boxer, would it loses ur wing chun stand abit?
jlingx 1 year ago
@jlingx read up on the footwork for jeet kune do it helps your wing chun move more freely to be able to express yourself a lot more
MegaDash88 1 year ago
@MegaDash88 ： correct me if i am wrong, jeet kune do and wing chun is totally different kungfu right? how could wing chun gets help from other kungfu? if jeet kune do is better why would we go to learn jeet kune do and totally dismiss wing chun, man?
jlingx 1 year ago
@jlingx Jeet kune do's foundation is based on wing chun the wing chun foot work is there just slight changes that allow you to keep your balance for higher kicks and faster foot work
MegaDash88 8 months ago
I think the reason he is teaching to hit the shoulder and not the face is so you remember and focus on your movement! That's why the lesson is called distance fighting (bridging the gap)
cornwallgeezer 1 year ago
good training points, so nice of you to post. thanks a lot.
punongbayan4492 1 year ago
can u teach me private ?
mikhaelTH 1 year ago
I think this guy has some serious skills, and he is far superior in martial arts then me... But what has moving your shoulders and moving around a lot with Wing Chun? In Wing Chun your body stay's straight and you let your limps, hand be your major defense. And conserving your energy as much as you can? Not moving a lot and shifting your body?
Ben1987X 1 year ago
i would love to have a few beers with you :) i bet your an apsolute ledgend
then get in to a bar fight and woop some ass !! nothing but respect peace
xboxlivegstar11 1 year ago
@xboxlivegstar11 Yeah cause getting blind drunk and then picking fights with people shows not only how cool you are, but just how clever you are also. Then when your court date comes around and the bar video tape is reviewed you can look forward to the good hard ass pumping you will get in the prison showers. Way to go tough guy you go get em. Seriously you should be chemically castrated to prevent gene pool degradation.
myjizzureye 1 year ago
@myjizzureye stfu you stupid troll look at all the bitchy messages youve spammed on jin page man
xboxlivegstar11 1 year ago
love this man you seem very humble i would like to see more masters with such character.
littleninja12 1 year ago
hi china boxer. i want to lear wing chun but in nervous about going to a class as I have never done ANY martial arts in my life before and im in my 20's. Any tips?
view12375758758 1 year ago