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  • I grew up in a Pentecostal church, and i was wondering about this: I remember someone giving a message in tongues and then someone translating it, what is your take?

  • @purplehaze20011982 I use to give messages as well as 'interpret' for others.

    I deal with the 1 Corinthian 12-14 on the THIRD video of my 3-part series on Tongues.

    May I suggest you watch it with an open mind as I am sure you have, and also google Robert Zerhusen 1Corinthians 14 to see how he clarifies some issues.

    God's grace be multiplied to you. Glad you stopped by to watch this vid and post.

  • Amen!

    Everyone I know who speaks in gibberish tongues also demonstrates signs of accompanying madness.

    The initial reaction to this insanity is fear, and it is well placed.

    God bless you for your discernment and boldness.

  • @Joshpb80 Your point is well taken. Wigglesworth did not live LIKE prosperity preachers, but he still preached it, the idea of perfect health, uninterupted miracles, etc, all in the ATONEMENT. However, his wife and child died, one was deaf, and he was always sick himself. I would rather suggest that you acquire reliable documentation FOR the miracles. The onus is on he and the WoF, not the doubters.

    But if GENUINE, did GOD do them or the devil? Does God confirm false teaching or the devil?

  • @BeholdTheSonOfGod Hey i like your video. I am one of many that got affected by this holy ghost annointing. If you do more research on youtube about people bleeding from their foreheads and theirs hands from the heat of annointing placed on them. That is a mark of the beast. The spirits takes over a persons character. When I was affected. I felt possessed for 6 months. My personality was totally different.

  • @BeholdTheSonOfGod Hey i like your video. I am one of many that got affected by this holy ghost annointing. If you do more research on youtube about people bleeding from their foreheads and theirs hands from the heat of annointing placed on them. That is a mark of the beast. The spirits takes over a persons character. When I was affected. I felt possessed for 6 months. My personality was totally different.

  • @Joshpb80 Do the research.. Google the exact phrase "Series on John Lake and the Healing rooms" and you will find a whole series on Lake at letusreasonDOTorg

    Wigglesworth said " I looked toward the window and I saw Jesus. I have seen Him often." chp 4 Ever-Increasing Faith. He firmly believed in 'healing in the atonement' which is a legalistic lie that if you aren't in perfect health that you sinned or don't have enough faith. WoF junk. Google his sermons.

  • @BeholdTheSonOfGod Unfortunately, youtube won't let me post full links, but quotes can be googled.

    Here Wigglesworth said, '“I have no word for rheumatism only ‘demon possessed.’ Rheumatism, cancers, tumors, lumbago, neuralgia, all these things I give only one name, the power of the devil working in humanity. When I see consumption, I see demon working power there. All these things can be removed.”

    He held all sickness to be caused by demons and used violence to 'heal' people, punching them etc.

  • @Joshpb80 I deleted my reply since it was lengthy. Here's a quote from John G. Lake: ”The power of God, the Holy Ghost, is the Spirit of Dominion. It makes one a god.”

    Is it 'integrity' to lower Christ to the status of a man, and to deify man?

    As I said in my videos, either the early leaders were deep in sin OR they taught abominable heresies. (or often both)

  • @Joshpb80 I had the same question remaining after Robert Zerhusen's work on Acts 2 cleared up some earlier questions. Google this title :The Problem Tongues of 1Corinthians: A Re-examination by Robert Zerhusen

    I will be adapting the information from that article emphasizing an answer to that specific question in part 3 of my Tongues a New Perspective series.

    Zerhusen has a superior position to the cessationist view in my opinion that settled all my remaining questions. Peace

  • I brought up your point to a very predominant Charismatic TV evangelist about tongues or accepting nonsense-able language His response was Shamanic practice is mimicking the so-called "real deal" its a interesting thought that both the so-called real deal and counterfeit have the individual accepting something unrealistic...........

  • @PRISONCAMPAMERICA

    want to add... it seems real good logic and common sense is the power of liberty..

    didn't Jesus say he would set the captives free? I give you power,ect?

    is there freedom giving up reason and common sense?

  • @PRISONCAMPAMERICA LOL. Yup, when they have the blinders on they will explain away the similarities by saying there is a true and a counterfeit.

    His response actually incriminates him. Thanks for posting

  • I brought up your point to a very predominant Charismatic TV evangelist about tongues or accepting nonsense-able language His response was Shamanic practice is mimicking the so-called "real deal" its a interesting thought that both the so-called real deal and counterfeit have the individual accepting something unrealistic

  • @fractalfires Also, look at how using unknown utterances (with the pentecostals) and the 'burning bosom' (of the Latter Day Saints) serve the same design. It is a kind of experience that one blindly accepts as evidence that the experience is genuine and therefore authenticates a belief system.

    The experience cannot happen UNTIL the mind suspends the purpose it was DESIGNED for. It is the suspension of the normal use of the laws of evidence that create the experience. It is ANTI-BEREAN.

  • @fractalfires That's what my experience shows too. If you try to define 'tongues' as a 'prayer language' or as 'ecstatic utterances' or 'unknown utterances' all which are acceptable terms (except when former pentecostals use those terms, lol) they regard your definition as 'voldemort'...not to be named.

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