What the fack are you talking about? Are you trying to say that this world could not possibly happen at random so there must be a creator that made it? Nothing just magically happened nor is it random. Everything is under strict laws of physics and evolution. These things are not based on chance. They produce very specific results.
Question: You believe that Atheism is impossible, ok! My question is throughout all possibility you come up with proof that is not written by the hands of man that proofs that god is real, proof that he created everything including what I'm writing, now.
The next time it rains, I'll let you decide whether a) it's just happening by magic or b) I'm pissing on you. You can decide that for yourself using your logical mind.
If I would wake up in such a room my conclusion would be that I had to be really drunk the night before and accidentally slept in the wrong house^^
But the analogy is wrong when applied to the universe.Because all analogies he uses are known to be manmade.We can't say anything about the before or outside the universe,because nobody can get outside it or "before" it.So the analogy fails.And also how does he come to the conclusion of a who and to the consept of intention for mankind?
I consider myself a loose affiliate of Islam( Okay fuck it, i'm agnostic), but being a past muslim, i must say, THIS VIDEO IS FOOLISH to say the least. Bullshit, complete and utter. Not only that, but man, are you annoying. Pointless, boring, un-enlightening.
Came to the conclusion that I'd explain the universe with things there is proof of. Since God doesn't belong to that category it's immediately out of question.
so...when you get bored in your delusion, you play like you have some sense, then proceed to talk yourself out of it, so you can feel better about the weak relationship you have with your all powerful imaginary friend??...see what i did there?...not fun when the presumptions are directed at you, is it?
think about it, if you can live on after death...where are the trillions that die left in those living life? can you personally keep track of what each of them? i doubt you exhibit traits of more than 1 million of em and thats only because of genetic disposition, and have no idea of the rest, you have no idea of the many heros that have fallen, you know of only those you choose, you have heard of more but disregaurded them...what about the rest of them? that makes religion suspect of failure
this world is difficult in all countries, but we cant live for our own pleasure, it is the future of the mistake of evolution that we are, that we have to continue that mistake, if we plan to survive...there is no individual, there is only the species, life after death is futile to think about, what about events here? even if you live on...whos going to spread what you say the way you say it in life? nobody can.that is the nature of your videos in the subconsious level
good speaker but...if you dont say "i..Me, and I'm" Over 120 times, and it is a fact...this video invokes a thought of you thinking only about you and your faith...
you question your faith because, that is what an ape does, and should do, there is nothing wrong with that, other dickheads listening here are just apes and have no pateince to listen, or do you any justice to help you..accept that we are inferior as a species is all that you can do, but it is difficult in a wordl of indoctrination
:D ur funny. i dont care how u were programmed or by who. u dont get to tell atheists what they believe.
Your brain and mind is written in plain text, accessible to everyone. atheists mind on the other hand can be different, with its own ideas and thoughts.
You dont get to tell me what i believe. i know what i believe. i know what my friends believe etc. and whenever u talk to an atheists, its very likely that they say that there is possibility of higher intelligence.
I see you are suffering under severe case of religion that makes your brain to see only what your cult leaders have drilled into you.
No im not saying that atheists believe in god. Atheists believe in stuff for which there is evidence, and if that should be god, then thats what they believe in.
There is nothing that would stop an atheist from considering the existence of higher intelligence.
Your arguments are fundamentally flawed. Atheism uses reason and evidence to determine how phenomenon encountered comes to existence and that phenomena is natural. Religion uses the basis that everything is supernaturally proposed. Thus, it is the individual that is religious that would should come to the conclusion that 'magic' is the reason for the existence of the phenomenon that you mentioned. This includes the universe. However, this is simply a logical way of looking what you said.
I think we've discovered a new species of primate (a much thicker one that spouts inane gibberish). Where do I register the find of Homo Brother Sami-en?
Has this comment just 'magically' appeared? You decide...
Hey good job with the tash and beard but why the fuck have you kept the planet of the apes hair style? If god existed he would not let you walk around like that now would he?
WIll you please stop it with the wathcmaker arguments? They have been debunked over a 1000 times on youtube. Also it´s flawed, because you only leave us with two choices. The right question would be : "How do you think you got into this situation.?"
So, the Universe could be considered as 'eternal' in the sense there is no time when it didn't exist. In this case, it's a priori possible that NO cause is required for the Universe. Thus, the claim that there was nothing THEN the Universe pop into existence is just a strawman. Your analogy is simplistic because, as we've see, the Universe is different from things of our common experience (needless to say, your analogy is guilt of the fallacy of composition).
it's not wonderful that we find good things around us, because if they wren't there, life apparition would be physically impossible and consequently you wouldn't be there to be amazed.
Regarding the Universe, there are many ideas you didn't considered: if someone ask a origin for God according to ex nihilo nihil fit, you would say that God is eternal. But as time started at Big Bang with space, asking a "before" for the Universe could be misleading.
Don't bather your self on this one brother! atheists are bunch of jerks who enjoy to make fun of other's believes n have no respect for it because it's not rational for them since they have checked out the entire world from their super civilized planet and have found no God.They believe in a not well supported 150 year old theory which was based on guessing and supposing.
In other words, we have empirical knowledge of how a paintings come to be the way it is. Now a sunset, for example, is something we have thorough scientific knowledge of. In other words, we understand how it works. There is no need for a Divine Creator.
When it comes to the Universe itself, Science admits its ignorance. We simply don't know yet. And maybe we never will understand its origin. But it is unreasonable to immediately account for a Creator when we do not understand something.
You wasted too much time on this subject. Your argument is basically that the beauty and complexity accounts for the existence of a Divine Creator. Guess what? Cars and buildings (or shaving and waking up in a paradise in oyur case) is NOT the same as the Universe itself, or any natural phenomenon for that matter.
The reason why we assume, for example, that a painting was made by a painter, is because we have a posteriori knowledge of it.
What the fuck are you talking about? The video in the video is a complete idiot. He hasn't 'spanked' atheism. He has merely embarrassed himself with this pointless video. If you think otherwise, then please properly explain what the fool in the video was trying to get at.
Sorry. You are immune to comprehension of anything that will require you to get up early on Sunday. Sorry dude, sorry. Otherwise? What Otherwise? Which otherwise? That Darwinism which is a pathetic non-sense and ridicule to human beings.
"please share the video and show that Christianity and atheism are both retarded" If you don't realize, Christians can just as easily call you retarded and with justification. The countries infected by your shit idiology are also the shittiest countries in the world.
Where to start? In your 'examples' you're obviously alluding to agency and causality.
However you've oversimplified the the situation to an either/or where you assert that there is either NO cause for the effect OR there is an agency to cause the effect. This is a fundamentally flawed argument because you still need to postulate a cause for Allah..... Did Allah "just magically appear"? if you can say that Allah always was, then so I can say the universe always was and you've gained nothing.
No offence brother u failed thats not a very good argument research a bit more strengthen your ideas and build your arguments. Inshallah u will improve at this.
I'm gonna quote because that's outright annoying, but I'll comment on some of your comments.
if you compare the chair to you or God then your comparison lacks logic, God , you , intellectual beings have a will, I don't think the chair does. if you leave youtube right now it's because you chose, but if a chair were to be thrown out the window it's because someone did it.. so study logic again before comparing apples to oranges.
You said the universe had a plan. you backed that up with examples of conscious beings having a plan. I attempted to point out that the universe is not a conscious being.
I wasn't making an argument, I was pointing out the flaw in yours.
"there are far more believers than non believers
what's your point??"
What was yours? I was trying to demonstrate that numbers don't matter. If you really new something about logic, you'd recognize it as an argument from popularity.
I can't respond if you don't properly cite your source. Sadly, I'm not a quranic scholar, I don't know which verses you have in mind and so can't check the source material.
Here's what I propose: Pick one of these at a time. Quote the verse in question and make your argument. I will then respond to that.
I predict, however, that these verses will turn out to be vague and imprecise or derived from earlier sources, as you yourself point out.
Off the top of my head, I can dismiss 1, 2 and 5. Knowledge of the earth, the solar system and embryology were quite advanced, especially from the greeks. Since the Arabs of the time had access to Greek sources, the simplest explanation is indeed that it was copied from there.
3, 4 and 6 are to vaguely described here. I'll have to wait for your clarification.
Feel free to clarify point 1, 2 and 5 as well, if you think i've missed something.
The real point, however, is that it doesn't much matter. Even if every one of those examples were correct, that doesn't in any way guarantee that the rest of the Quran is correct. Indeed, science would still be the best method for further discovery.
But of course, feel free top make your argument nonetheless.
Lastly, I'm curious, what kind of bachelor degree do you have and from what institution?
Also, I'm going to bed now, so you don't have to rush a response.
"definitive or conclusive evidence would make the concept of "Faith" meaningless, wouldn't you say?"
I definately would, and what a great day that would be for all of us. Faith is fundamentally just the rejection of reason and logic.
If I told you that I have a pet dragon and it'll burn you to death if you don't believe me, wouldn't you rather subject that information to reason and logic than accept it on blind faith just in case it's true?
first of all Faith is not the rejection of reason and logic, why? because religion doesn't prevent you from seeking knowledge, in fact it urges you to.
second, if you told me that I would ask for proof because there's a difference between information coming from the creator and from a creation.
and if we didn't have fossils for dinosaurs and I told you they existed, would you believe me? NO, but the did exist, just like many species we don't know of.
LOL it's almost as if this freggin moron actually thinks his analogies are condusive to HIS point, as opposed to detrimental. The scientific explanations (ie big bang, evolution, etc) are significantly more related to his "shaving/someone put the grapes there" explanations, whereas this douschebag's "magically appeared" explanations are entirely representative to the pitiful "god dunnit" bullshit explanation of fundemental religious fanatics. WAY TO FAIL...
Rofl, so the choices are A) everthing "magically" happened, or B) everything was created by an invisible, undetectable, eternal entity using, ah, "magic"?
just rubish, wasnt even funny rubish. dumbest argument for religion yet. you are possibly the stupidist most ignorant invalid i have ever heard debate on this topic. Get an education and learn about the "magic" you comment on, because you just making your fellow beleivers look stupid too. I am embarresed for you
I have absolutely no idea what on earth you're trying to paint a picture of here????What I do know, is that you're obviously trying to draw some parallel between something that is painfully obvious, with something that is amazingly out of the reach of our human knowledge. Don't be surprised if you do not get any serious people to debate, based on this.
BELEIVE WAT YOU WANT...WE ALL WILL DIE ANSWER TO GOD.... YOU CAN TRY RUN FROM IT BUT NEVER WILL
IN THE END YOU ARE THE LOSERS, SO GIVE ME THUMBS DOWN AND DISLIKE MY COMMENT, THE TRUTH HURTS I GUESSS. YOU ATHEISTS NEED TO WAKE UP, OPEN YOUR EYES FOR YOUR!! OWN SAKE....NOT GODS
@MoShow4000 I love it how you think you know what God wants, I think if there is a god, he's going to give a crap about what we think, instead of what you do. Most Atheists are good people you know.
No, he doesn't exist, but I appreciate the video and I appreciate your sincerity and earnestness. I liked hearing you talk your way through your scenarios, even though I have to say it's the same argument for God, Allah, Vishnu, Ganesh, Thor, Zeus, Venus and any other god.
You've got yourself a new (atheist) subscriber anyway. I look forward to seeing other videos of yours.
4) The logical conclusion based on the answers to the other question is that either you created the universe or some other person did. But I assume that the answer you're looking for is that while there are completely natural explanations to those three questions, there has to be a completely supernatural one to the fourth.
Oh thanks for letting me decide for myself!..I've decided that you are a babbling fool with the intellectual capacity of a tree stump..You managed to talk for 8 minutes and not say a damn thing. Apart from being unbelievably boring, you also labor under the delusion you are being profound. You are not! You could have made that point in ten seconds, and the answers considerably quicker: No, no and no!...Now go and get a proper education beyond bronze age science and medieval philosophy.
You cannot just "step into someone else's shoes" like that. Can you understand a woman by just thinking what it is like to be one for a few minutes? Hell no.
I've been religious, I am an atheist. They are COMPLETELY different mindsets.
fuck youre socalled analogies R really crooked hahahah yeah, U convinced me, your beard fell of miraculously...and damn, I really feel sleepy after this YAWN...PS: could U give me the number of your interior designer, Im getting a wonderful picture in my head and I's love a VREATOR 2 make it for me hahahaha damn, I wish I could magically make U UNhappen!
Let me ask you a question: When you first grew a beard, how did that happen? Did someone from another world magically put it on your face, or did it grow naturally? Yeah, I thought so.
LykeX.... my proof is the quran. But with religionu have to have faith not just evidence. But with science u have to have proof. and if one day they found out what cause the big bang 2 happend couldnt u say god made it like that
And ur proof is a bunch of sceintist the study these things but dont know for sure. And I am afraid u dont have an answer for me about god doing the process of creating the big bang the way it was created. I am sorry u need to open up ur mind and not limit on what science just says and look beyond and c what acctually created the process
Well if u dont have proof that nothing caused it y contiune beliveing it becuase scinece is all about evidence. No acttually it isnt irrelvent ur problem is that u have an issue of accpeting the truth. And no it is not a god of the gaps argument becuase I dont belive there was a proccess to the big bang that god created. And no acttually I start of with how can something create itself it cant its illogical. But according to u things can create themselfs.
When I say a proccess I mean something triggered the big bang. I dont belive god just created the big bang without a process before it. But whatever the first "thing" was is what god created. Thats y i am saying its not god of the gaps. But how is it logically possible for something to creat itself?
"But whatever the first "thing" was is what god created. Thats y i am saying its not god of the gaps."
Like I said, you have no idea what "god of the gaps" means, do you? In this quote you first make a picture-perfect description of a GotG argument and then claim that this is why it's not a GotG
GotG means that anytime your theory has a gap, you plug god in there. You say you don't know what the first thing was, and then conclude that god must've done it.
U still dont understand. When I say the 1st thing means going as far back as it is possible. When u get 2 a point where u dont know what caused that 2 happen is what god made. 2 a point where u wont ever understand how the big bang occured. where it just poped up basically. But dont coniunte saying its god of the gaps cuz i already explain 2 u. And if u dont understand then u obvously dont understand the concepted of the creator.
But back 2 what we were saying. Y do u contiune being atheist when u belive in science and that is all about evidence. But u have no evidence of the big bang happend by itself. Should u be an agnistic and just say I dont know if there is a god or not because u belive in evidence and dont have any 4 that.
"When u get 2 a point where u dont know what caused that 2 happen is what god made"
So, when you don't know, you conclude it's god. That's a god of the gaps argument! Plain and simple. That's what it means.
"Y do u contiune being atheist...Should u be an agnistic"
Ok, let me clarify. I'm a "weak" atheist. I don't claim to know absolutely that there is no god. I simply state none of the claims of god I've ever heard have been convincing and therefore I don't accept any of them.
a) can you give me a clear description of the single cell that started evolutions?
b) Do you positive, verifiable, objective evidence that evolution is 100% correct?
now let me ask you a couple of questions:
1- Was any fossil discovered showing a transitional creature?
2- if we do acknowledge that a single cell was the start of everything, according to the Conservation of Energy " matter can't be created or destroyed", can you tell me where did this cell come from?
a) No, I can't. If you think this proves anything, you're very much mistaken.
b) 100% correct? No, of course not. However, evolutionary theory is the currently best explanation for variety and speciation and common descent is pretty much beyond doubt.
1) Strictly, all forms are transitional, but in the way you probably mean it; yes, there are many examples of transitional fossils.
Of course, fossils aren't really the big guns of evolution. Genetic evidence is at least as convincing:
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2) I'm a little unsure if I understand you correctly on this. You do realize that by the time life got started, the earth was already formed, right? There was plenty of both matter and energy. The cell didn't pop out of nowhere.
Actually, the cell probably wasn't the beginning at all. most likely the proto-cell developed from more primitive replicating units.
Naturally, this doesn't have anything to do with evolution. You do realize that,right? This is abiogenesis, a related, but separate field.
Finally, I hope you realize that even if evolution was definitively proven wrong tomorrow, that wouldn't in the slightest, most insignificant way, even begin to prove the existence of a god.
This is exactly why I asked for POSITIVE evidence above. One tiny, little argument FOR god would carry more weight than a million arguments against evolution.
abiogenesis and evolution are two different fields but they complete one another, because you can't have evolution if you don't have things that can evolve !!
those fossils you talk about never proved to be transitional. it could be an extinct actual species.
All species are transitional but if you say man and ape have the same origin, you better have something to back it up.
I'm not sure what POSITIVE evidence you're looking for because a definitive or conclusive evidence would make the concept of "Faith" meaningless, wouldn't you say?
"conclusive evidence would make the concept of "Faith" meaningless"
Exactly! Reliance on faith is a statement of intellectual bankruptcy. Faith tells you absolutely nothing about what's true.
Tell me, do you care about whether or not god really exists? Does it matter to you if god is objectively real or not? Do you think it's important whether god is merely a concept in your mind, as opposed to a real being?
"but how can there be reward/punishment if there're no sinners"
There can't.
Why do you think that's a bad thing?
Why is it so important for you that people go to hell?
Of course, this whole line of "reasoning" is irrelevant. Without evidence, there's no more reason to believe in god than there is to believe in fairies, Santa Claus or the invisible, pink unicorns on Venus.
of course it does. and if we're just natural progression of things, then how do you explain love and hate ( a simple example), why did we evolve while other primates didn't, and I'm not talking about physical appearance, I'm talking intellectually.
Thank you. Now that we agree that it matters whether or not god exists, the question is, how do we find out?
You'll notice that faith does absolutely nothing to solve this problem. Whether or not you have faith is completely and utterly irrelevant to the actual facts of the matter.
If it wasn't then contradictory claims would have to be true, since people have faith in different things.
So, we're back to evidence. When making decisions about what's plausibly real, we need evidence.
They did. All species evolve constantly. They just didn't evolve the same way. If they had, they'd be us.
Suggestion: don't argue evolution. Already you've made mistake that show that you're on shaky ground here. I put it to you that you understand a whole lot less than you think.
I strongly urge you to study actual evolutionary theory. Don't just read anti-evolution websites. Read a textbook.
Again, I'm NOT arguing evolution, and I never claimed to know a lot. now that we got this out of the way, there are some scientific facts in the Quran. Now you're gonna say, well not all of them proven to be correct. well not one of them was proven to be wrong.
example : it was believed that a fetus grows flesh then bone, but it was later on proved that it's the other way around.
The Quran mentions that, Now you'll say but the verse is ambiguous or it was already a known fact before the time of Mohamed and he just simply copied it.
you catch my drift here, it's bits and pieces, there's not gonna be one single conclusive evidence because AGAIN that will simply make "faith" meaningless.
you can't look in one direction and say I want to go this way, that's basically what you did, you chose science and you want it to explain everything even the existence of God.
But lets for example say he does NOT exist, I would understand that religions were there to control ppl, but if that's true, then each religion will want to replace the other. In the Quran, that's not true, the Quran acknowledges all other religion ( ones sent from God ofcourse) and acknowledges all messengers
won't you say that's looks like conflict of interest, it does to me. Lets also consider the historical perspective, Mohamed was known to be illiterate but also to be truthful, but lets say he wasn't and he wanted to control ppl, why wait until he's over 40 years to claim he's the messenger of God?
if you and me as individuals have a plan in life, don't you think this vast universe has a plan as well?
I truly know how does it feel not to know because I've been there.
You should probably stop mentioning it, then. Just saying.
Anyway, I almost thought you were going to go into one of those rants I love hearing from theists about how their holy books is the truth ad predicted the periodic table or whatever.
However, you jump right back to the concept of faith again. I thought we'd settled that.
You admit yourself that your "arguments" are not conclusive. So, why are you bringing them up?
Make an argument. Present evidence. If you can't, then your statements are meaningless to me. They're simply assertions.
"you chose science and you want it to explain everything even the existence of God"
No, I chose TRUTH. Science, reason, logic; these are good methods for discovering truth, so I accept them. I don't want to "explain" the existence of god. I want to know IF he actually exists. I'm not willing to swallow that camel without evidence.
Let me make this absolutely clear: I HAVE NO FAITH. Faith sucks. It's the worst idea anyone ever came up with, next to self-circumcision.
I care about the truth. I want my beliefs to be as much in accordance with the truth as I can make them. Convince me that your god really exists and I'll change my mind, but you'd better bring something more than "this old book says so"
"the Quran acknowledges all other religion (ones sent from God ofcourse)"
So, the quran accepts all other religions, except for those it doesn't
Isn't the quran supposed to be the last revelation? Doesn't that mean that ANY religion younger than ~1400 years is by definition not from your god?
Besides, your entire argument is based on a false dichotomy. As if there are only two options; it's true or it's a deliberate lie. There's another possibility
why am I bringing my arguments up when they're not conclusive? why are atheists so sure that evolution is the answer for everything even though THAT'S not conclusive??
can evolution explain free will? not intelligence, but free will. someone dying for his spouse, son, daughter, that doesn't strike me as intelligent and I'm pretty sure they know they will die, but yet they do it, while others can watch their whole family murdered before their eyes without flinching ?
"intellectual beings have a will, I don't think the chair does"
Prove that the universe is an intellectual being and I'll withdraw my comment.
Until then, your argument is worthless.
I'm not angry at religions. I am quite frustrated with religious people, since they're often thoroughly irrational. They expect their little pet idea to be treated by a different standard than anyone else's.
They become very distraught when you ask them simple, obvious questions, such as, "can you actually prove any of those statements?"
"do you really think 1.5 billion ppl including scientist, doctors, engineers, researchers will follow a crazy man"
Yes.
The number of people who believe something is not evidence for the truth of that belief. If it was, then your religion would be false. There are far more non-muslims than muslims.
I'll simply point out that until there was evidence supporting the atomic theory, then YES it would have been completely unreasonable to claim it as true. Evidence was found, though, and the hypothesis was validated.
When you have evidence for your god hypothesis, I will be more than happy to consider it.
"why are atheists so sure that evolution is the answer for everything"
We're not. Evolution is not the answer for everything.
The fact that you are unaware of this is yet another indication that you really should educate yourself before speaking further on this subject. Most textbooks on the subject addresses exactly this point.
For a brief response, may I suggest tinyurl(dot)com(slash)evo-altruist
You know, for a person that doesn't argue about evolution, you sure talk about it a lot.
What the fack are you talking about? Are you trying to say that this world could not possibly happen at random so there must be a creator that made it? Nothing just magically happened nor is it random. Everything is under strict laws of physics and evolution. These things are not based on chance. They produce very specific results.
TheDeeSkii 6 days ago
Is he serious or is he just pulling a prank on us? yea he's just kidding guys. u cant possibly be that dumb, can u?
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I agree, I don't like counting more than two colors either.
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4 pillows??? That's one hell of a god damn bed!
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JackOfBlades434 2 weeks ago
Example 1: You shaved!
Example 2: I would believe it was all a dream.
Example 3: You recorded it.
Question: You believe that Atheism is impossible, ok! My question is throughout all possibility you come up with proof that is not written by the hands of man that proofs that god is real, proof that he created everything including what I'm writing, now.
22Nightshade1 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
haha muslims are funny tards. I love when they try to use logic to justify an imaginary skyman. Religion, the opium for the masses and sheep.
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@thejewishagnostic: His response would probably be: "because magic is fake." haha
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THANK YOU COME AGAIN!
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Upstairs Somebody is going: "Shut the f*** up, you moron!!!"
Pettenderk 2 months ago
The next time it rains, I'll let you decide whether a) it's just happening by magic or b) I'm pissing on you. You can decide that for yourself using your logical mind.
perkl1234 3 months ago
Kind of sound like christopher walkin. Not in opinions but in vocal quality.
oldgregg93 3 months ago
If I would wake up in such a room my conclusion would be that I had to be really drunk the night before and accidentally slept in the wrong house^^
But the analogy is wrong when applied to the universe.Because all analogies he uses are known to be manmade.We can't say anything about the before or outside the universe,because nobody can get outside it or "before" it.So the analogy fails.And also how does he come to the conclusion of a who and to the consept of intention for mankind?
gastarbeiter1 8 months ago
lolz...
crazy time...
Zentz29 8 months ago
nice hair...*sarcasm*
Gemparkzz 11 months ago
I just wasted 7:58 minutes of my life, listening to this piece of junk.
BadArtists 11 months ago
I consider myself a loose affiliate of Islam( Okay fuck it, i'm agnostic), but being a past muslim, i must say, THIS VIDEO IS FOOLISH to say the least. Bullshit, complete and utter. Not only that, but man, are you annoying. Pointless, boring, un-enlightening.
DarthSyid 1 year ago
I thought about it rationally for a moment.
Came to the conclusion that I'd explain the universe with things there is proof of. Since God doesn't belong to that category it's immediately out of question.
Luolapeikk0 1 year ago
so...when you get bored in your delusion, you play like you have some sense, then proceed to talk yourself out of it, so you can feel better about the weak relationship you have with your all powerful imaginary friend??...see what i did there?...not fun when the presumptions are directed at you, is it?
CrimsonDragonStar 1 year ago
He is trying to use the same old "necessity of a creator" argument that Christians always use, only in so many confused muslim words.
Of course, that invites the old counter-question: Well, if Allah is necessary to explain creation, then who created Allah?
Its ridiculous. WIth so much bombast, he trots out the oldest of the non-arguments...
Derukugi2 1 year ago
how does you shaving prove god?
roont 1 year ago
think about it, if you can live on after death...where are the trillions that die left in those living life? can you personally keep track of what each of them? i doubt you exhibit traits of more than 1 million of em and thats only because of genetic disposition, and have no idea of the rest, you have no idea of the many heros that have fallen, you know of only those you choose, you have heard of more but disregaurded them...what about the rest of them? that makes religion suspect of failure
MadMAn12gauge 1 year ago
this world is difficult in all countries, but we cant live for our own pleasure, it is the future of the mistake of evolution that we are, that we have to continue that mistake, if we plan to survive...there is no individual, there is only the species, life after death is futile to think about, what about events here? even if you live on...whos going to spread what you say the way you say it in life? nobody can.that is the nature of your videos in the subconsious level
MadMAn12gauge 1 year ago
good speaker but...if you dont say "i..Me, and I'm" Over 120 times, and it is a fact...this video invokes a thought of you thinking only about you and your faith...
you question your faith because, that is what an ape does, and should do, there is nothing wrong with that, other dickheads listening here are just apes and have no pateince to listen, or do you any justice to help you..accept that we are inferior as a species is all that you can do, but it is difficult in a wordl of indoctrination
MadMAn12gauge 1 year ago
Yo, you need to shave ur head LOL.
Nice video though. Easy to understand.
notionSlave 1 year ago
3 simple examples. Emphasis on the word simple.
djfreakout 1 year ago
What? You still haven't blown yourself up? WTF?
Mahgwa 1 year ago
the title should be Islam VS reason & god
all religious nuts fail to understand that arguing in favor of deism, doesnt get them closer to theism.
islam&christianity are both painfully obviously designed by greedy men to control crowds, wage war and make lots of profit.
When an atheist says " i dont believe in god" they usually mean that they dont believe in man made gods, like yours.
there could be a creator, but it definitely hasnt anything to do with man made religions
UninstallingWindows 1 year ago
@UninstallingWindows No, what an atheist does is reject ALL gods, regardless of where the truth lies. It's a pride thing bro.
The the 20th century was FULL of wars, none of which were religiously motivated.
fandanstan 1 year ago
@fandanstan
:D ur funny. i dont care how u were programmed or by who. u dont get to tell atheists what they believe.
Your brain and mind is written in plain text, accessible to everyone. atheists mind on the other hand can be different, with its own ideas and thoughts.
You dont get to tell me what i believe. i know what i believe. i know what my friends believe etc. and whenever u talk to an atheists, its very likely that they say that there is possibility of higher intelligence.
UninstallingWindows 1 year ago
@UninstallingWindows You don't get to tell what religious ppl believe.
So are you saying Atheists DO believe in a god? That would be stupid, just like your comment. haha
the 'A' in atheist indicates a lack of belief in god, just in case you didn't know.
Those that say there's a possibility are called agnostics.
fandanstan 1 year ago
@fandanstan
I see you are suffering under severe case of religion that makes your brain to see only what your cult leaders have drilled into you.
No im not saying that atheists believe in god. Atheists believe in stuff for which there is evidence, and if that should be god, then thats what they believe in.
There is nothing that would stop an atheist from considering the existence of higher intelligence.
Atheists = claim for belief
Agnosticism = claim for knowledge
you can be Agnostic atheist
UninstallingWindows 1 year ago
@fandanstan
The Arab war against Israel sure as hell is religiously motivated.
Derukugi2 1 year ago
asshole explain to us the violent acts committed by muslims as shown on truthtube.tv
onecanbedon 1 year ago
4:35 "in the room there is also walls around" echelon of stupidity :)
IsraeliXdude 1 year ago
Man, can a decent Muslim tell this guy that he's embarrassing himself, and his religion? I know most Muslims are smarter than this guy.
sbkang85 1 year ago
Sami is probably a nice guy, but knows nothing about science, logics or philosophy.
He embarrasses Muslims and some even love him for that. Go figure.
StopSpamming1 1 year ago 3
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Get the fuck out of my shoes!
chh5555 1 year ago
On question 2 I choose door number three thank you very much.
Drecon84 1 year ago
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don't worry people, not all muslims are as stupid as this
leptismagna10 1 year ago
Your arguments are fundamentally flawed. Atheism uses reason and evidence to determine how phenomenon encountered comes to existence and that phenomena is natural. Religion uses the basis that everything is supernaturally proposed. Thus, it is the individual that is religious that would should come to the conclusion that 'magic' is the reason for the existence of the phenomenon that you mentioned. This includes the universe. However, this is simply a logical way of looking what you said.
Ifuckedacorpse 1 year ago
I think we've discovered a new species of primate (a much thicker one that spouts inane gibberish). Where do I register the find of Homo Brother Sami-en?
Has this comment just 'magically' appeared? You decide...
thewildness19 1 year ago
Hey good job with the tash and beard but why the fuck have you kept the planet of the apes hair style? If god existed he would not let you walk around like that now would he?
greeny202a 1 year ago
Apply the same rational logic of your facial hairs to your god.
NoKamWithRam 1 year ago
Like your question, let me ask a Childish question:
You believe , god created everything.
Ok, Tell me where was god, when he had not created anything. When there was no sky, no earth, no heavel, no stars no sun no space. Where was he han?
NoKamWithRam 1 year ago
When you wake up and you see that you have no beard on your face there are two possibilities:
1. you or someone else made a shave for you.
and
2. God made a shave for you.
Yes he can do that with out a razor.
ahahahahahah
NoKamWithRam 1 year ago
If I was a Muslim I'd be embarrassed by this dumbbell and his moronic, childlike reasoning.
ColonelGaypenguin 1 year ago
WIll you please stop it with the wathcmaker arguments? They have been debunked over a 1000 times on youtube. Also it´s flawed, because you only leave us with two choices. The right question would be : "How do you think you got into this situation.?"
dumbzebra 1 year ago
So, the Universe could be considered as 'eternal' in the sense there is no time when it didn't exist. In this case, it's a priori possible that NO cause is required for the Universe. Thus, the claim that there was nothing THEN the Universe pop into existence is just a strawman. Your analogy is simplistic because, as we've see, the Universe is different from things of our common experience (needless to say, your analogy is guilt of the fallacy of composition).
silveren777 1 year ago
The analogies are flawed:
it's not wonderful that we find good things around us, because if they wren't there, life apparition would be physically impossible and consequently you wouldn't be there to be amazed.
Regarding the Universe, there are many ideas you didn't considered: if someone ask a origin for God according to ex nihilo nihil fit, you would say that God is eternal. But as time started at Big Bang with space, asking a "before" for the Universe could be misleading.
silveren777 1 year ago
Also, you are the most Jewish Muslim I have ever seen
kingmo321 1 year ago
Example and analogy aren't synonyms. Also you are a tool. Please just shut the hell up
kingmo321 1 year ago
BTW, I have a question for you, Sami.
Does life just magically appear?
The earth formed and then life magically appeared out of nowhere?
Or did it slowly evolve?
If you can't believe that things magically appear or disappear, why is it so different with these even more complex living organisms.
Oh, GODDIDIT!
Well, I say that the pink unicorn shaved your beard and mustache.
It's true that every theist is not against evolution, but I know that you are.
That's something for you to ponder.
misterblackdark 1 year ago
Don't bather your self on this one brother! atheists are bunch of jerks who enjoy to make fun of other's believes n have no respect for it because it's not rational for them since they have checked out the entire world from their super civilized planet and have found no God.They believe in a not well supported 150 year old theory which was based on guessing and supposing.
eloexplorer 1 year ago
@eloexplorer:
Hahahahaha!
You people are just laughable.
But I shouldn't laugh at mentally disabled people....
misterblackdark 1 year ago
@misterblackdark
i don't care how loud u wanna laugh, or pretesting it .
eloexplorer 1 year ago
@eloexplorer
It has more logic than 'An invisible magic man in the sky created everything out of nothing. He even created himself.'
TheSoulVids 1 year ago
Title suggestion:Islam Vs Atheism - Embarrassing 'Arguments' for God(s)
misterblackdark 1 year ago
In other words, we have empirical knowledge of how a paintings come to be the way it is. Now a sunset, for example, is something we have thorough scientific knowledge of. In other words, we understand how it works. There is no need for a Divine Creator.
When it comes to the Universe itself, Science admits its ignorance. We simply don't know yet. And maybe we never will understand its origin. But it is unreasonable to immediately account for a Creator when we do not understand something.
Diemedes 1 year ago
You wasted too much time on this subject. Your argument is basically that the beauty and complexity accounts for the existence of a Divine Creator. Guess what? Cars and buildings (or shaving and waking up in a paradise in oyur case) is NOT the same as the Universe itself, or any natural phenomenon for that matter.
The reason why we assume, for example, that a painting was made by a painter, is because we have a posteriori knowledge of it.
Diemedes 1 year ago
This video sucks
His argument is basically "HURRRR DURRRR GAWD IT"
BolnoyBratchny 1 year ago
Thats what Atheism deserves. Spanking all round.
Oh God please guide those who reject You, and enable us to guide them.
Walithequick 1 year ago
@Walithequick
What the fuck are you talking about? The video in the video is a complete idiot. He hasn't 'spanked' atheism. He has merely embarrassed himself with this pointless video. If you think otherwise, then please properly explain what the fool in the video was trying to get at.
Mattyb88ful 1 year ago 22
@Mattyb88ful
Sorry. You are immune to comprehension of anything that will require you to get up early on Sunday. Sorry dude, sorry. Otherwise? What Otherwise? Which otherwise? That Darwinism which is a pathetic non-sense and ridicule to human beings.
Walithequick 1 year ago
@Mattyb88ful
why are you angry? lol
MrTaloul 1 year ago
@Mattyb88ful i agree.He says nothing. He must be doing this on purpose.
sweet161402 4 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
"please share the video and show that Christianity and atheism are both retarded" If you don't realize, Christians can just as easily call you retarded and with justification. The countries infected by your shit idiology are also the shittiest countries in the world.
ChiNoRondoX 1 year ago 7
What a bad collection of "arguments" for creationism. Thats so embarrassing ...
How low must someones IQ be, to be convinced by that speech??
spiminator 1 year ago
Where to start? In your 'examples' you're obviously alluding to agency and causality.
However you've oversimplified the the situation to an either/or where you assert that there is either NO cause for the effect OR there is an agency to cause the effect. This is a fundamentally flawed argument because you still need to postulate a cause for Allah..... Did Allah "just magically appear"? if you can say that Allah always was, then so I can say the universe always was and you've gained nothing.
blakjakau 1 year ago
so that intelligent creature just appeared there or what.? see you are turning the argument on yourself THE ENDLESS ARGUMENT
almightykod 1 year ago
What was the purpose of this video?
darkblade1206 1 year ago
@darkblade1206 The purpose of this was to prove the following: Knowledge is like butter: The less you have it, the more you spread it.
ChiNoRondoX 1 year ago
listen man im a muslim nd i myself think ur dum nd slow. leave the proofing to some inteligent muslims pls ur just makeing islam look more irrational
Ronihot2 1 year ago
No offence brother u failed thats not a very good argument research a bit more strengthen your ideas and build your arguments. Inshallah u will improve at this.
akbar2k7 1 year ago
What has the question, wether Sami Zataari shaved to do with god?
I mean if I woke up in the room with the bed and the grapes, I would neither assume magic to have created it, nor god.
Supposely some human being just placed the grapes there ...
Nederdien 1 year ago
I'm gonna quote because that's outright annoying, but I'll comment on some of your comments.
if you compare the chair to you or God then your comparison lacks logic, God , you , intellectual beings have a will, I don't think the chair does. if you leave youtube right now it's because you chose, but if a chair were to be thrown out the window it's because someone did it.. so study logic again before comparing apples to oranges.
cont..
tkhigh1 2 years ago
And apparently, the comments thread decided to mess with me, so let's see if I can continue here.
LykeX 2 years ago
You said the universe had a plan. you backed that up with examples of conscious beings having a plan. I attempted to point out that the universe is not a conscious being.
I wasn't making an argument, I was pointing out the flaw in yours.
"there are far more believers than non believers
what's your point??"
What was yours? I was trying to demonstrate that numbers don't matter. If you really new something about logic, you'd recognize it as an argument from popularity.
cont...
LykeX 2 years ago
"you need to find out what's making you " quite frustrated""
I already know. I even wrote it: They expect their little pet idea to be treated by a different standard than anyone else's.
I hold your hypothesis to the same standard as any other idea and YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT.
That's why I get frustrated with people like you. That and the fact that you speak confidently about things you have no clue about.
LykeX 2 years ago
1- what's the shape of the earth?
2- is the sun, earth stationary or rotating?
3- is the universe expanding or not?
4- did the big bang theory happen or not?
5- the fetus grows bone before flesh or not?
6- moonlight, reflective or not?
I can give you many examples, now the Quran mentions accurately those scientific facts in Quran.
one of the arguments against it is that Mohamed could of copied some from other civilization and made up the rest.
cont...
tkhigh1 2 years ago
Probability refutes that on the bases of the chances of getting all those facts correct is nearly 0.
if you have any evidence refuting any of those facts, please let me know.
tkhigh1 2 years ago
I can't respond if you don't properly cite your source. Sadly, I'm not a quranic scholar, I don't know which verses you have in mind and so can't check the source material.
Here's what I propose: Pick one of these at a time. Quote the verse in question and make your argument. I will then respond to that.
I predict, however, that these verses will turn out to be vague and imprecise or derived from earlier sources, as you yourself point out.
cont...
LykeX 2 years ago
Off the top of my head, I can dismiss 1, 2 and 5. Knowledge of the earth, the solar system and embryology were quite advanced, especially from the greeks. Since the Arabs of the time had access to Greek sources, the simplest explanation is indeed that it was copied from there.
3, 4 and 6 are to vaguely described here. I'll have to wait for your clarification.
Feel free to clarify point 1, 2 and 5 as well, if you think i've missed something.
cont...
LykeX 2 years ago
The real point, however, is that it doesn't much matter. Even if every one of those examples were correct, that doesn't in any way guarantee that the rest of the Quran is correct. Indeed, science would still be the best method for further discovery.
But of course, feel free top make your argument nonetheless.
Lastly, I'm curious, what kind of bachelor degree do you have and from what institution?
Also, I'm going to bed now, so you don't have to rush a response.
LykeX 2 years ago
Alright, good night.. we'll finish this later.
tkhigh1 2 years ago
type scientific miracles in Quran in the search bar of youtube, and you'll see many videos, they quote the verse and the explanation.
tkhigh1 2 years ago
@ tkhigh1
"definitive or conclusive evidence would make the concept of "Faith" meaningless, wouldn't you say?"
I definately would, and what a great day that would be for all of us. Faith is fundamentally just the rejection of reason and logic.
If I told you that I have a pet dragon and it'll burn you to death if you don't believe me, wouldn't you rather subject that information to reason and logic than accept it on blind faith just in case it's true?
Law12389 2 years ago
first of all Faith is not the rejection of reason and logic, why? because religion doesn't prevent you from seeking knowledge, in fact it urges you to.
second, if you told me that I would ask for proof because there's a difference between information coming from the creator and from a creation.
and if we didn't have fossils for dinosaurs and I told you they existed, would you believe me? NO, but the did exist, just like many species we don't know of.
tkhigh1 2 years ago
LOL it's almost as if this freggin moron actually thinks his analogies are condusive to HIS point, as opposed to detrimental. The scientific explanations (ie big bang, evolution, etc) are significantly more related to his "shaving/someone put the grapes there" explanations, whereas this douschebag's "magically appeared" explanations are entirely representative to the pitiful "god dunnit" bullshit explanation of fundemental religious fanatics. WAY TO FAIL...
umsmykal 2 years ago
lol that's one thing we both agree on.
tkhigh1 2 years ago
i like what it says in the sidebar:
"Brother Sami Zataari once again destroys atheism in ONE SINGLE video. By pure logic and rational scientific method atheism is exposed."
are you serious? :D :D :D
TotallyAnnika 2 years ago
did god just one day came to be?
hafssol82 2 years ago
Rofl, so the choices are A) everthing "magically" happened, or B) everything was created by an invisible, undetectable, eternal entity using, ah, "magic"?
l337pwnage 2 years ago
how will u proof that mohamad did right... fuck a 9 year old kid? wht is ur logic about it plz upload a video about it
arahul1979 2 years ago
just rubish, wasnt even funny rubish. dumbest argument for religion yet. you are possibly the stupidist most ignorant invalid i have ever heard debate on this topic. Get an education and learn about the "magic" you comment on, because you just making your fellow beleivers look stupid too. I am embarresed for you
blackdiamondmarine 2 years ago
@blackdiamondmarine at least he is trying,,what a bout u?
elnasser35 2 years ago
i agree he is very "trying", did you study the joke of "Islamic Science" too?
blackdiamondmarine 2 years ago
a typical dummy.
elnasser35 2 years ago
rich
blackdiamondmarine 2 years ago
I have absolutely no idea what on earth you're trying to paint a picture of here????What I do know, is that you're obviously trying to draw some parallel between something that is painfully obvious, with something that is amazingly out of the reach of our human knowledge. Don't be surprised if you do not get any serious people to debate, based on this.
TheOpinionater 2 years ago
all athesists....
BELEIVE WAT YOU WANT...WE ALL WILL DIE ANSWER TO GOD.... YOU CAN TRY RUN FROM IT BUT NEVER WILL
IN THE END YOU ARE THE LOSERS, SO GIVE ME THUMBS DOWN AND DISLIKE MY COMMENT, THE TRUTH HURTS I GUESSS. YOU ATHEISTS NEED TO WAKE UP, OPEN YOUR EYES FOR YOUR!! OWN SAKE....NOT GODS
ISLAM = TRUTH, PEACE UNITY.
IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, I DONT CARE.
ATHEIST = FAIL
MoShow4000 2 years ago
@MoShow4000 I love it how you think you know what God wants, I think if there is a god, he's going to give a crap about what we think, instead of what you do. Most Atheists are good people you know.
MrLemex 2 years ago
Great you've proven that a god exists, all worship Lord Brahava....oh wait wrong god you say? I'm sorry Praise the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
whydid666 2 years ago
No, he doesn't exist, but I appreciate the video and I appreciate your sincerity and earnestness. I liked hearing you talk your way through your scenarios, even though I have to say it's the same argument for God, Allah, Vishnu, Ganesh, Thor, Zeus, Venus and any other god.
You've got yourself a new (atheist) subscriber anyway. I look forward to seeing other videos of yours.
Cheers.
worldsworstjukebox 2 years ago
haha.he has awesome hair.
BabyGirlGoddess 2 years ago 3
This comment has received too many negative votes show
islam is truth
nothing else.
go and compare. islam always stands out. WHY???
simple....TRUTH OVERPOWERS FALSEHOOD.
if a religion or way of life doesn't make sense. it cant be from god.
again islam is truth and will never be proven false. GO AHEAD AND TRY
MoShow4000 2 years ago
I tried....and then his noodlyest pointed out Islams lies to me.
whydid666 2 years ago
1) You shaved.
2) Some person did it.
3) You made the video.
4) The logical conclusion based on the answers to the other question is that either you created the universe or some other person did. But I assume that the answer you're looking for is that while there are completely natural explanations to those three questions, there has to be a completely supernatural one to the fourth.
Griexxt 2 years ago
this guy must be high on something....
BARCACROSSESTHEALPS 2 years ago
1. YOU shaved it.
2. B. A RICH GUY made that bed for me. Maybe raped me.. I dont know.. Its his house.
3. YOU made this video. It didnt just come to being.
This video has no validity of god in it. Ur arguments fail pretty easy I must say.
I see where u are trying to go with this, but you are failing with those examples.
viktordedkov 2 years ago 2
Oh thanks for letting me decide for myself!..I've decided that you are a babbling fool with the intellectual capacity of a tree stump..You managed to talk for 8 minutes and not say a damn thing. Apart from being unbelievably boring, you also labor under the delusion you are being profound. You are not! You could have made that point in ten seconds, and the answers considerably quicker: No, no and no!...Now go and get a proper education beyond bronze age science and medieval philosophy.
rogan71 2 years ago 2
You cannot just "step into someone else's shoes" like that. Can you understand a woman by just thinking what it is like to be one for a few minutes? Hell no.
I've been religious, I am an atheist. They are COMPLETELY different mindsets.
STFUNOWlol 2 years ago 2
fuck youre socalled analogies R really crooked hahahah yeah, U convinced me, your beard fell of miraculously...and damn, I really feel sleepy after this YAWN...PS: could U give me the number of your interior designer, Im getting a wonderful picture in my head and I's love a VREATOR 2 make it for me hahahaha damn, I wish I could magically make U UNhappen!
mikiw1978 2 years ago
Let me ask you a question: When you first grew a beard, how did that happen? Did someone from another world magically put it on your face, or did it grow naturally? Yeah, I thought so.
r22k10 2 years ago
LykeX.... my proof is the quran. But with religionu have to have faith not just evidence. But with science u have to have proof. and if one day they found out what cause the big bang 2 happend couldnt u say god made it like that
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
Your "proof" is an old book? You actually think that just because somebody wrote it down, it must be true?
Say, are you in the market for a bridge? I've got a really nice one, I'll sell you. Cheap.
Also:
"if one day they found out what cause the big bang 2 happend couldnt u say god made it like that"
I'm sad to say that you don't know what science is. I seriously suggest that you study.
Honestly, I'm not being an ass here. You are suffering from some misconceptions. Please educate yourself.
LykeX 2 years ago 4
And ur proof is a bunch of sceintist the study these things but dont know for sure. And I am afraid u dont have an answer for me about god doing the process of creating the big bang the way it was created. I am sorry u need to open up ur mind and not limit on what science just says and look beyond and c what acctually created the process
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
1) I don't have proof. I don't need proof. I'm not the one making a claim.
2) I'm OK with admitting that I don't know. Why aren't you?
3) I ignored your big bang statement because it was, quite frankly, stupid and irrelevant.
It's just a 'god of the gaps' argument. If you really insist, you will always be able to shoehorn your god in somewhere.
This is a result of your basic attitude. You start with your conclusion (god is real) and then proceed to find arguments. You're doing it wrong.
LykeX 2 years ago
Well if u dont have proof that nothing caused it y contiune beliveing it becuase scinece is all about evidence. No acttually it isnt irrelvent ur problem is that u have an issue of accpeting the truth. And no it is not a god of the gaps argument becuase I dont belive there was a proccess to the big bang that god created. And no acttually I start of with how can something create itself it cant its illogical. But according to u things can create themselfs.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
What an incoherent, asinine mess. Is this really the best you can do? At least make an effort and TRY to make a logical argument.
Let's look at an example of your incompetence:
1) "no it is not a god of the gaps argument becuase I dont belive there was a proccess to the big bang that god created"
What does that even mean? Do you know what "god of the gaps" means? It doesn't seem like it.
Now, I really want to dig into this one, since I think it might help you clarify your position.
cont...
LykeX 2 years ago
Let's break down the argument:
"it is not a god of the gaps argument becuase..."
The thing you're arguing for, AKA your conclusion
"...I dont belive there was a proccess to the big bang that god created"
Huh?
You want to try this one again?
You don't believe there was a process to the big bang? What does that even mean?
And to top it off with god is just ludicrous. You're supposed to be making an argument. You're just spouting nonsense.
Get some sleep and try again
LykeX 2 years ago
When I say a proccess I mean something triggered the big bang. I dont belive god just created the big bang without a process before it. But whatever the first "thing" was is what god created. Thats y i am saying its not god of the gaps. But how is it logically possible for something to creat itself?
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
"But whatever the first "thing" was is what god created. Thats y i am saying its not god of the gaps."
Like I said, you have no idea what "god of the gaps" means, do you? In this quote you first make a picture-perfect description of a GotG argument and then claim that this is why it's not a GotG
GotG means that anytime your theory has a gap, you plug god in there. You say you don't know what the first thing was, and then conclude that god must've done it.
That's GotG in a nutshell, dude
LykeX 2 years ago
U still dont understand. When I say the 1st thing means going as far back as it is possible. When u get 2 a point where u dont know what caused that 2 happen is what god made. 2 a point where u wont ever understand how the big bang occured. where it just poped up basically. But dont coniunte saying its god of the gaps cuz i already explain 2 u. And if u dont understand then u obvously dont understand the concepted of the creator.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
But back 2 what we were saying. Y do u contiune being atheist when u belive in science and that is all about evidence. But u have no evidence of the big bang happend by itself. Should u be an agnistic and just say I dont know if there is a god or not because u belive in evidence and dont have any 4 that.
bosnianmuslim22 2 years ago
"When u get 2 a point where u dont know what caused that 2 happen is what god made"
So, when you don't know, you conclude it's god. That's a god of the gaps argument! Plain and simple. That's what it means.
"Y do u contiune being atheist...Should u be an agnistic"
Ok, let me clarify. I'm a "weak" atheist. I don't claim to know absolutely that there is no god. I simply state none of the claims of god I've ever heard have been convincing and therefore I don't accept any of them.
LykeX 2 years ago
If you can provide
a) a clear definition of god, and
b) objective, verifiable, POSITIVE evidence for that concept of god
then I'm more than willing to consider it.
Until you do, god remains in the same category as unicorns, Santa Claus and the easter bunny.
LykeX 2 years ago
a) can you give me a clear description of the single cell that started evolutions?
b) Do you positive, verifiable, objective evidence that evolution is 100% correct?
now let me ask you a couple of questions:
1- Was any fossil discovered showing a transitional creature?
2- if we do acknowledge that a single cell was the start of everything, according to the Conservation of Energy " matter can't be created or destroyed", can you tell me where did this cell come from?
tkhigh1 2 years ago
@tkhigh
a) No, I can't. If you think this proves anything, you're very much mistaken.
b) 100% correct? No, of course not. However, evolutionary theory is the currently best explanation for variety and speciation and common descent is pretty much beyond doubt.
1) Strictly, all forms are transitional, but in the way you probably mean it; yes, there are many examples of transitional fossils.
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cont...
LykeX 2 years ago
Of course, fossils aren't really the big guns of evolution. Genetic evidence is at least as convincing:
/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk
2) I'm a little unsure if I understand you correctly on this. You do realize that by the time life got started, the earth was already formed, right? There was plenty of both matter and energy. The cell didn't pop out of nowhere.
Actually, the cell probably wasn't the beginning at all. most likely the proto-cell developed from more primitive replicating units.
cont...
LykeX 2 years ago
Naturally, this doesn't have anything to do with evolution. You do realize that,right? This is abiogenesis, a related, but separate field.
Finally, I hope you realize that even if evolution was definitively proven wrong tomorrow, that wouldn't in the slightest, most insignificant way, even begin to prove the existence of a god.
This is exactly why I asked for POSITIVE evidence above. One tiny, little argument FOR god would carry more weight than a million arguments against evolution.
LykeX 2 years ago
abiogenesis and evolution are two different fields but they complete one another, because you can't have evolution if you don't have things that can evolve !!
those fossils you talk about never proved to be transitional. it could be an extinct actual species.
All species are transitional but if you say man and ape have the same origin, you better have something to back it up.
cont..
tkhigh1 2 years ago
I'm not sure what POSITIVE evidence you're looking for because a definitive or conclusive evidence would make the concept of "Faith" meaningless, wouldn't you say?
tkhigh1 2 years ago
"you can't have evolution if you don't have things that can evolve"
Correct, but the origin of life is irrelevant to evolution. The idea of panspermia illustrates this nicely.
For this reason, you should be careful to keep the two separate. The truth status of one in no way relates to the truth status of the other.
"it could be an extinct actual species"
It IS actual, extinct species. If you think that invalidates them as transitional forms, then you've fundamentally misunderstood the concept.
LykeX 2 years ago
"conclusive evidence would make the concept of "Faith" meaningless"
Exactly! Reliance on faith is a statement of intellectual bankruptcy. Faith tells you absolutely nothing about what's true.
Tell me, do you care about whether or not god really exists? Does it matter to you if god is objectively real or not? Do you think it's important whether god is merely a concept in your mind, as opposed to a real being?
If you do, you should reject faith as well.
LykeX 2 years ago
you probably didn't understand what I said... if there's a conclusive evidence then believing in God would not be a choice.
if you have substantial conclusive evidence that God existed then you would believe in life after death and reward and punishment, right?
but how can there be reward/punishment if there're no sinners.
tkhigh1 2 years ago
"but how can there be reward/punishment if there're no sinners"
There can't.
Why do you think that's a bad thing?
Why is it so important for you that people go to hell?
Of course, this whole line of "reasoning" is irrelevant. Without evidence, there's no more reason to believe in god than there is to believe in fairies, Santa Claus or the invisible, pink unicorns on Venus.
By the way, what about my question?
Does it matter to you if god is real or not?
LykeX 2 years ago
of course it does. and if we're just natural progression of things, then how do you explain love and hate ( a simple example), why did we evolve while other primates didn't, and I'm not talking about physical appearance, I'm talking intellectually.
tkhigh1 2 years ago
Thank you. Now that we agree that it matters whether or not god exists, the question is, how do we find out?
You'll notice that faith does absolutely nothing to solve this problem. Whether or not you have faith is completely and utterly irrelevant to the actual facts of the matter.
If it wasn't then contradictory claims would have to be true, since people have faith in different things.
So, we're back to evidence. When making decisions about what's plausibly real, we need evidence.
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LykeX 2 years ago
That was the point I was making earlier. The evidence, as it currently stands, doesn't in the tiniest way support belief in a god.
If you think I'm wrong about this, then, by all means, inform me of the evidence.
Of course, since you've already stated your position as being anti-evidence, I'm not expecting much.
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LykeX 2 years ago
And just to touch on this:
"why did we evolve while other primates didn't"
They did. All species evolve constantly. They just didn't evolve the same way. If they had, they'd be us.
Suggestion: don't argue evolution. Already you've made mistake that show that you're on shaky ground here. I put it to you that you understand a whole lot less than you think.
I strongly urge you to study actual evolutionary theory. Don't just read anti-evolution websites. Read a textbook.
LykeX 2 years ago
Again, I'm NOT arguing evolution, and I never claimed to know a lot. now that we got this out of the way, there are some scientific facts in the Quran. Now you're gonna say, well not all of them proven to be correct. well not one of them was proven to be wrong.
example : it was believed that a fetus grows flesh then bone, but it was later on proved that it's the other way around.
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tkhigh1 2 years ago
The Quran mentions that, Now you'll say but the verse is ambiguous or it was already a known fact before the time of Mohamed and he just simply copied it.
you catch my drift here, it's bits and pieces, there's not gonna be one single conclusive evidence because AGAIN that will simply make "faith" meaningless.
tkhigh1 2 years ago
you can't look in one direction and say I want to go this way, that's basically what you did, you chose science and you want it to explain everything even the existence of God.
But lets for example say he does NOT exist, I would understand that religions were there to control ppl, but if that's true, then each religion will want to replace the other. In the Quran, that's not true, the Quran acknowledges all other religion ( ones sent from God ofcourse) and acknowledges all messengers
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tkhigh1 2 years ago
won't you say that's looks like conflict of interest, it does to me. Lets also consider the historical perspective, Mohamed was known to be illiterate but also to be truthful, but lets say he wasn't and he wanted to control ppl, why wait until he's over 40 years to claim he's the messenger of God?
if you and me as individuals have a plan in life, don't you think this vast universe has a plan as well?
I truly know how does it feel not to know because I've been there.
tkhigh1 2 years ago
"Again, I'm NOT arguing evolution"
You should probably stop mentioning it, then. Just saying.
Anyway, I almost thought you were going to go into one of those rants I love hearing from theists about how their holy books is the truth ad predicted the periodic table or whatever.
However, you jump right back to the concept of faith again. I thought we'd settled that.
You admit yourself that your "arguments" are not conclusive. So, why are you bringing them up?
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LykeX 2 years ago
Make an argument. Present evidence. If you can't, then your statements are meaningless to me. They're simply assertions.
"you chose science and you want it to explain everything even the existence of God"
No, I chose TRUTH. Science, reason, logic; these are good methods for discovering truth, so I accept them. I don't want to "explain" the existence of god. I want to know IF he actually exists. I'm not willing to swallow that camel without evidence.
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LykeX 2 years ago
Let me make this absolutely clear: I HAVE NO FAITH. Faith sucks. It's the worst idea anyone ever came up with, next to self-circumcision.
I care about the truth. I want my beliefs to be as much in accordance with the truth as I can make them. Convince me that your god really exists and I'll change my mind, but you'd better bring something more than "this old book says so"
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LykeX 2 years ago
"the Quran acknowledges all other religion (ones sent from God ofcourse)"
So, the quran accepts all other religions, except for those it doesn't
Isn't the quran supposed to be the last revelation? Doesn't that mean that ANY religion younger than ~1400 years is by definition not from your god?
Besides, your entire argument is based on a false dichotomy. As if there are only two options; it's true or it's a deliberate lie. There's another possibility
Muhammad could just have been crazy
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LykeX 2 years ago
"don't you think this vast universe has a plan as well?"
Why would I think that? Do you think you chair has a plan?
"I truly know how does it feel not to know because I've been there"
And then you plugged god in there and the uncertainty went away. I know how that feels, I've been there, too.
Only, I just couldn't stop thinking, so in the end, I had to chose between being honest or being religious.
I'm quite happy with my choice.
LykeX 2 years ago
you're quite angry at religions, can I ask you why? what is it in religion that is so repulsive?
do you really think 1.5 billion ppl including scientist, doctors, engineers, researchers will follow a crazy man? again your logic is lacking.
you're asking me to present evidence, I thought I did about the fetus in Quran.. you might not have been paying attention.
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tkhigh1 2 years ago
the concept of faith is the main pillar of every religion, so no we can't settle that you just reject faith because of lack of proof.
then the scientists should've rejected the atom when it was just a theory for lack of proof .
tkhigh1 2 years ago
why am I bringing my arguments up when they're not conclusive? why are atheists so sure that evolution is the answer for everything even though THAT'S not conclusive??
can evolution explain free will? not intelligence, but free will. someone dying for his spouse, son, daughter, that doesn't strike me as intelligent and I'm pretty sure they know they will die, but yet they do it, while others can watch their whole family murdered before their eyes without flinching ?
tkhigh1 2 years ago
"if you compare the chair to you or God..."
I didn't. I compared the chair to the universe
"intellectual beings have a will, I don't think the chair does"
Prove that the universe is an intellectual being and I'll withdraw my comment.
Until then, your argument is worthless.
I'm not angry at religions. I am quite frustrated with religious people, since they're often thoroughly irrational. They expect their little pet idea to be treated by a different standard than anyone else's.
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LykeX 2 years ago
They become very distraught when you ask them simple, obvious questions, such as, "can you actually prove any of those statements?"
"do you really think 1.5 billion ppl including scientist, doctors, engineers, researchers will follow a crazy man"
Yes.
The number of people who believe something is not evidence for the truth of that belief. If it was, then your religion would be false. There are far more non-muslims than muslims.
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LykeX 2 years ago
"I thought I did about the fetus in Quran.. you might not have been paying attention"
I was paying attention. E.g. I paid attention to the parts where you admitted that it was not conclusive evidence and that the verses were ambiguous.
"then the scientists should've rejected the atom when it was just a theory for lack of proof"
From the "just a theory" remark I can see that what you require is a high school level science lecture. Sadly, I don't have the patience.
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LykeX 2 years ago
I'll simply point out that until there was evidence supporting the atomic theory, then YES it would have been completely unreasonable to claim it as true. Evidence was found, though, and the hypothesis was validated.
When you have evidence for your god hypothesis, I will be more than happy to consider it.
"why are atheists so sure that evolution is the answer for everything"
We're not. Evolution is not the answer for everything.
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LykeX 2 years ago
Evolution is the answer to the following question: "What are the mechanisms that produce the many different varieties of life?"
That's it. For answering this question, evolution is currently the best, most detailed, most well-supported idea we have.
"someone dying for his spouse, son, daughter, that doesn't strike me as intelligent"
Actually, self-sacrifice has been studied quite a bit.
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LykeX 2 years ago
The fact that you are unaware of this is yet another indication that you really should educate yourself before speaking further on this subject. Most textbooks on the subject addresses exactly this point.
For a brief response, may I suggest tinyurl(dot)com(slash)evo-altruist
You know, for a person that doesn't argue about evolution, you sure talk about it a lot.
LykeX 2 years ago
I'm very aware of it, but again you dodged the main question, took words out of context to manipulate an answer.
question was, did evolution explain emotions?
and don't give me the stereotype answer " chemical reaction"
tkhigh1 2 years ago
why can't you say that science hasn't evolved enough to find evidence for God's existence?
tkhigh1 2 years ago
so it's okay for evolution to be inconclusive but not the idea of God?
I have a bachelor degree, but I'm not talking about scientific facts here, we're talking logic and reason.
And if you don't think for yourself and just follow the herd, what does that make you?
tkhigh1 2 years ago
there are far more believers than non believers
what's your point??
tkhigh1 2 years ago
I referred to you and God, you choosing to ignore that is your problem.
angry, quite frustrated, I don't see the difference.
again you need to find out what's making you " quite frustrated" because the explanation you provided is pretty much " worthless"
tkhigh1 2 years ago