A Sour View of Corn Refiners' Sweetener Ads

[jimschrader52999]

Sugars and fats are not healthy. Duh.

I can't believe that ugly chick is smug enough to say "That's why people like ME...". She needs to wipe that pretentious smile off her face.

[wildwhitemustang]

H.F.C.S. in Pickles?!?!?! Corn Refiners have gone insane!!!!

[gumberly]

High-SHIT-CANCER-syrup

[GingerDemarque]

HFCS causes AIDS!!!!!!! It's proven.

[GingerDemarque]

HFCS causes AIDS!!!!!!! It's proven.

[kak10053]

ok so let me get this strate....... she said that it is in almost every food we eat sooooooo ummmmmmm......................­... whats so bad about it. She didnt give any facts or exapals why its bad or how it brakes down in the body and she didnt really try to tell us how to avoid it ( just to shop on the outside of the store wich really doesnt tell me anything) so i still dont get it

[shelshi1991]

@kak10053 Corn Syrup is bad because it has unmeasured amounts of mercury in it and can cause very serious health issues such as Alzheimers. And when she says shop on the outside of the store, she means, everything in the aisles are really bad for you. When you shop on the outer store, you are strictly shopping in the fruit and vegetable aisle. So, there in those area's you will not get mercury poisoning.

[kak10053]

@shelshi1991 but I'm just asking whos doing the research. She didn't tell us any statistics. I'm not saying that you should go out and eat a bunch of junk. All i'm saying is that i need more facts than "its bad for you" because everything can be bad for you if you have to much.  And i see how it can cause alheimers but thats if you have like a can or two of pop (soda) a day.

[gumberly]

@kak10053 you wanna know statistics buddy? Their was a fairly large experiment conducted, oooohhh maybe 40 years ago. about the time this "sugar" came out. the experiment used regular, healthy americans. it lasted, well.....it is still going on now actually. This experiment WAS the invention of HFCS. and what happened? Our obesity rates went through the roof, we had 4 and 5 year olds getting type ii diabetes, 30 year olds dying of hear disease. The japs invented it. (revenge for WWII). nuff said

[bmajors0331]

People...do not let the advertising from the CORN refiners association...Tell you to eat more high fructose CORN syrup!!!!??? DUH!!!

[Arachnivore]

Connie Bennett never refutes the argument made by those ads. She never says why HFCS is worse than the alternative; cane sugar. She just says that it's in 2/3 of all foods (sugar is a basic ingredient in many products) and she says it is a processed food. She never says why that's a bad thing. I find it annoying that her argument is based almost purely on emotional rhetoric rather than an appeal to logic.

[ZevsAunt]

I really liked this - Connie gets it ! she explains why it is so harmful. good video. thanks .

[moonwitch1981]

i'm sorry but nearly every food ,drink or lifestyle today has some one or something that will say it's not safe, it's bad for you ect ect....

I live my life and eat what i want because you can find information every were saying this is, that is going to kill you, no on is safe from there kitchen cupboard if you listen to the news !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[electjenny]

@moonwitch1981 So it is better just to stay ignorant and poison your body? The fact that so many things out there are unhealthy for us is all the more reason to stay informed and watch what you put into your body.

[moonwitch1981]

@electjenny but like i said in every food there is information sayin it is bad and will cause this ,this and that.

The worry and stress will do more damage then any thing else.

[electjenny]

@harleykman...What idiot flagged this comment as spam? Harleykman is just saying it like it is. It's ridiculous and immature to flag a comment as spam just because you don't agree with it.

[MansMan918]

Sugar is NOT a zero food.Our bodies basic system of energy is sugar. The real kind fruits, veggies. NOT CORN SWEATNERS (HFCS) This posion raises our triglycerides. There are 4 corporations that produce almost ALL food at our grocery store, watch the movie The World According To Monsanto. Scare the HELL out of you.

[thisismeplusyou]

@MansMan918 Fuck Monsanto.

[TreeClimbingMan]

wow

[AppleSouffle]

Woah, hold the telephone! There's some misinformation from Aredditor.

Sugar is not a nutrient! Your daily requirement for sugar is zero. Sugar is anti-food, it takes minerals from your body. That's what causes osteoporosis.

Children who eat lots of sugar end up with crooked teeth. Their jaw bones don't grow enough to give room for their teeth.

Check out Weston Price.

Less exercise is A REASON why many Americans are fatter. Their high sugar, high corn syrup diet is the number one reason.

[EmberLeo]

Er, I think the question is whether we mean "sugar" as in "sucrose", table sugar, the colloquial meaning, or if we mean "sugars" i.e. carbohydrates.

Certainly carbs are nutrients, but we don't necessarily need simple sugars. We're better off eating complex carbs and letting our bodies break them down into simple sugars.

But that doesn't mean simple sugars aren't nutrients to begin with, just that they're not requisite, and complex carbs are a better way to fulfill that need.

--Ember--

[AppleSouffle]

Ahhh, your point is well taken.

I think of sugar as white table sugar. Dana (my friend who writes low carb cookbooks) calls sugar - evil white death.

[lepusforamen]

Contact the President of the CRA and share your thoughts regarding HFCS

Audrae Erickson

President

Corn Refiners Association

1701 Pennsylvania Ave., NW

Washington, DC 20006-5806

Phone: 202-331-1634

Fax: 202-331-2054

pressinquiry@corn(.)org

[lickmypeca]

HFCS is NOT sugar!!!! It is a sweetener!!! Please people let's not confuse the two..........

[bwhite53]

aredditor is an argumentative asshole who simply goads people into bullshit debates. He has zero intellectual integrity. Don't waste your time with this fucktard. I think he is a shill for the corn industry or something because of the bullshit he spews!

[batigol47]

You can find water in almost all of these things as well. HFCS is not the problem. Gluttonous people are. It does not matter one bit if you are getting proper exercise, the right vitamins and the right number of calories. Your body cares very little what kind of sugar you are getting.

[gt40f]

""HFCS is not the problem..... Your body cares very little what kind of sugar you are getting.""" ROTFLMAO!!!! You are either highly ignorant or a corporate shill.

[batigol47]

ad hominem fail.

[gt40f]

""HFCS is not the problem...Your body cares very little what kind of sugar you are getting."" We've had white sugar for years, it's bad but not near as bad as HFCS which is directly to blame for the current diabetes epidemic. Raw honey, unprocessed fruit?, healthy person will never get diabetes from them. Not near the problems as white sugar or HFCS,

[aredditor]

Try to use some science in you argument.

>"it's bad but not near as bad as HFCS which is directly to blame for the current diabetes epidemic."

You'll often hear in scientific argument that correlation does not imply causation. The mistake you're making is a common one. Diabetes exists outside of the US, and is on the rise worldwide. Raw honey contains the same sugars as HFCS in about the same proportions.

[gt40f]

""Diabetes exists outside of the US, and is on the rise worldwide."" Only the US has an epidemic, only the US has widespread HFCS. .....""Raw honey contains the same sugars as HFCS"". NO IT DOES NOT. And raw honey contains natural antibodies that counteract the limited effects the acid balance has on the immune system.

[aredditor]

>'Raw honey contains the same sugars as HFCS'. "NO IT DOES NOT" HONEY: Fructose: 38.5% Glucose: 31.0% Sucrose: 1.0% Water: 17.0% Other sugars: 9.0% (maltose, melezitose) Ash: 0.17% Other: 3.38% HFCS: fructose glucose water

[gt40f]

Honey is naturally BALANCED. Something that our genetic heredity is used to digesting. HFCS is not naturally balanced because it's NOT NATURAL. Our digestion metabolism etc can't cope, hence the imbalances that lead to diabetes. Sure they have some of the same things, but not all the same, nor the same percentage amounts. Americans are so extremely ignorant about nutrition.

[aredditor]

>Honey is naturally BALANCED. Something that our genetic heredity is used to digesting. HFCS is not naturally balanced because it's NOT NATURAL.

This argument is known as a naturalistic fallacy. BTW, notice that the fructose and glucose in honey are in about the same proportions as HFCS.

[gt40f]

"" known as a naturalistic fallacy."" But you can't say specifically why. Have a feeling you are a corporate shill. Like the people that argued that agent orange wasn't' toxic, who should be dunked in a vat of Agent Orange. You should be made to consume mass quantities of HFCS until you have full blown diabetes. That would be the only true justice. Arguing for something that kills people to increase corporate profit. ""are in about the same proportions" but you didn't give them for HFCS.

[aredditor]

>"But you can't say specifically why."

Actually I have been. Go back through my comments for detailed commentary on the science of sugars and metabolism of sugars in humans.

>"Have a feeling you are a corporate shill."

That's a very common comment from believers in conspiracy theories, and it's not a valid debate tactic.

If we switched out HFCS for sucrose, the health of Americans wouldn't change at all. Australia now surpasses America in rates of obesity, and HFCS is rare in Australia.

[aredditor]

>"" known as a naturalistic fallacy."" "But you can't say specifically why."

I most certainly can. There are many synthetic substances that appear to have no negative effect on humans, and there are dozens of natural substances that are deadly to people.

It's you that can't say why honey is better for us. You say it's "naturally balanced". I challenge you to explain scientifically how honey is better for you because of this supposed "balance". That "balanced" shit is pulled out of your ass.

[gt40f]

""But you can't say specifically why.""

"I most certainly can."

but you still didn't, just more assertions.

HFCS is almost always made from corn that has been genetically engineered to kill insects. This BT corn is actually registered as a pesticide with the EPA. Mercury is also showing up in about a 1/3 of HFCS products from the caustic soda in the manufacturing process.

[aredditor]

>"Mercury is also showing up in about a 1/3 of HFCS products from the caustic soda in the manufacturing process."

The mercury BS has been soundly debunked by many professionals and intellectuals who understand science. It's all over the net. How many citations would you like?

My guess is these naturalistic fallacies you subscribe to are core beliefs of yours that no amount of scientific debunking would change.

You don't accept scientific arguments. Antibodies in honey? That's a science fail.

[gt40f]

""The mercury BS has been soundly debunked by many professionals and intellectuals who understand science. It's all over the net. How many citations would you like?""

US agri-business is huge. There's millions of dollars available to buy as many "scientists" as they want or need.

[aredditor]

>"US agri-business is huge. There's millions of dollars available to buy as many "scientists" as they want or need."

Anytime conspiracy theorist science noobs have science thrown at them, because of their lack of understanding of science and resulting inability to respond with valid scientific arguments, they respond as you do with fallacious arguments. Your argument is basically anyone who opposes your view must be paid off. Not a valid argument. Try to use science if you can.

[gt40f]

""Try to use science if you can. "" Who paid for that science Arreditor? There's a huge history of science being manipulated, are you denying that it happens? LOL, like tobacco isn't bad for you. Neither is aspartame, or fluoride, the company scientists have all said so.

[aredditor]

>"Who paid for that science Arreditor?"

As I have stated before, the science of sugars has been well known before the invention of the process to make sugars from starch. Sugars and sugar metabolism is a heavily studied subject because sugar metabolism is basic to life, and sugar metabolism in humans has been very heavily studied for not the least of reasons, diseases like diabetes, obesity, malabsorption, CSID, etc.

If I would have known that you reject science, I wouldn't have replied.

[gt40f]

""If I would have known that you reject science"" I don't reject science, I reject the prostitution of science. I can concede that volume is an important factor in any sugar. But you're never going to see the volume of honey you do with HFCS. And it's being done just because it's cheap addictive filler and there are many other factors that make it undesirable as well.

[aredditor]

>"And it's being done just because it's cheap addictive filler"

Name one product that now contains sugar, but the classic recipe for it does not. I've heard HFCS detractors surprised that things like ket, hot dogs, bread, sauces, seasonings, etc have HFCS in them. This tells me they either don't cook for themselves, or they ignore the fact that those things have always been made with sugar. BTW, sometimes the use of HFCS means a little less sugar is used than if it was going to be sucrose.

[gt40f]

""Name one product that now contains sugar, but the classic recipe for it does not. "" Right, I have ready access to all the old ingredient lists. The biggest one is breads. I actually was reading ingredients before they started putting sugar in breads. Traditionally bread wasn't usually sugared. Now most of the overly processed ones are. And the breads at McDonalds are, for one reason only. Sugar is addictive. McD's breads are classified as "confection" because they have so much sugar.

[aredditor]

<"Right, I have ready access to all the old ingredient lists"

You're not understanding. Just about any food, including highly processed convenience foods are facsimiles of classic recipes. For example hot dogs are basically a type of sausage and sausage has always had sugar in it. You can look up home bread recipes that are classic, and you'll find that it's common for sugar to be an ingredient in a classic bread recipe.

[gt40f]

""and you'll find that it's common for sugar to be an ingredient in a classic bread recipe. "" BS. Sugar has been increased by both quantity and type of food. In the last 20 years, we have increased sugar consumption in the U.S. 26 pounds to 135 lbs. of sugar per person per year. Prior to the turn of the 19th century, the average consumption was only 5 lbs. per person per year. More sugar per item, more items with added sugar.

[gt40f]

""Name one product that now contains sugar, but the classic recipe for it does not. "" HOMEMADE ITALIAN DRESSING 1 c. olive oil 1/4 c. apple cider vinegar 1 tsp. Italian seasoning 1/2 tsp. paprika 1/2 tsp. garlic powder 1/2 tsp. onion powder 1 tsp. grated cheese KRAFT LITE ITALIAN water, vinegar, high fructose corn syrup,......

[aredditor]

Also homemade Italian dressing

* 1 cup vegetable oil * 1/4 cup fresh lemon juice, no seeds * 1/4 cup white vinegar * 1 teaspoon salt * 1 teaspoon granulated sugar * 1/2 teaspoon dry mustard * 1/2 teaspoon onion salt * 1/2 teaspoon paprika  * 1/2 teaspoon dried oregano leaves * 1/8 teaspoon ground thyme leaves * 2 cloves garlic, crushed

Yea, sugars are often an ingredient in salad dressings, and some vinegars traditionally come sweetened.

[gt40f]

the challenge was to "name one recipe", I'm sure there are thousands, and you've yet to tell us what has happened to ingredients/ recipes in general when the populace went from 5 lbs of sugar a year to over 100.

[gt40f]

""Name one product that now contains sugar, but the classic recipe for it does not"" so tell me then if we went from 5 lbs sugar annual per person to 135 lbs. how did that happen if the sugar in ingredients stayed the same? Are we now just eating butt loads of plain sugar on the side?

[gt40f]

Yes aredditor, I just think nature is smarter than man. After all nature has been at it for many millions of years. Man on the other hand, especially greedy uncaring man doesn't have a clue. They are experimenting with so many things of which there is no test other than trying it for 50 years. Are they doing 50 year tests or just making us unwitting guinea pigs?

AREDDITOR, engineer on the cancer diabetes train!!! all aboard for type 2 diabetes town and colo-rectal cancer city.

[aredditor]

>"Yes aredditor, I just think nature is smarter than man."

So you'd deny your child modern medicine because of your belief that if it isn't natural it must be bad? Vaccines aren't anymore "natural" than bt corn or sugar made from starch.

Would you withhold Tylenol from a child if they were running a 105 or higher temperature because Tylenol isn't natural?

[gt40f]

""Vaccines aren't anymore "natural" than bt corn"" some vaccines are okay, some aren't. They're overdone totally. Friend of mine gets a flu vaccine every year, he still gets the flu about once a year. I've never had any flu vaccine, I get the flu once about every 7 years. The biggest diff between us, diet.

[aredditor]

>"This BT corn is actually registered as a pesticide with the EPA."

Bacillus thuringiensis itself is approved for organic crops. Crops with BT genes inserted in them are not approved for certification as organic, but do you understand science enough to see some hypocrisy in that?

researchers are working on GMO crops that will save thousands of lives by creating staple crops that produce vitamins that that crop doesn't normally produce, and prevent deficiencies that cause many deaths.

[gt40f]

Aredditor is an industry shill, How much they pay you Aredditor? Is it worth it?

Is it Monsanto Arreditor? or the CRA?

[gt40f]

Since HFCS has been depleted of vitamins and minerals during processing, when it is consumed, nutrients are leached from the body, bones, and teeth as the sugars attempt to metabolize themselves. Although there has been extremely limited research done on the affects of genetic engineered foods in regards to sweeteners (if any), studies have shown that pesticides have been linked to many serious short- and long-term health problems including infertility, birth defects and cancer.

[gt40f]

Sure you can argue that quantity is the most detrimental factor in regards to sugars. But the fact that HFCS is so cheap means it's found in a majority of processed foods, not so with honey. So because it's cheap it's overused, then on top of that, it's over refined. Just empty calories made from pesticide corn.

It's fine though aredditor, if you want to ride the cancer train, go right ahead.

[gt40f]

""BTW, notice that the fructose and glucose in honey are in about the same proportions as HFCS. "" SURE they are...

HFCS-42: 42% fructose

53% glucose....baked goods and other sweets.

HFCS-55:

55% fructose

42% glucose...soft drinks.

[aredditor]

I don't think you understand what about means, or what a ratio is. The ratio of fructose to glucose in HFCS 55 is nearly identical to to honey. Would you like me to do the math for you?

[aredditor]

>"And raw honey contains natural antibodies"

OK, I don't know exactly what I'm dealing with here, but I'm sorry to say you have some issues if you're a high school graduate.

You can't know what antibodies are to type that.

[gt40f]

""OK, I don't know exactly what I'm dealing with here"" No, you don't. Antibodies is the laymans term. Antibiotic would be more scientifically accurate if that's what you want. But it has to be raw, pretty hard to find because it can't go over 105F, and processors usually heat it for easier pouring.

[gt40f]

have you ever wondered why honey doesn't go bad? You can also add it to vegetable juice as a preservative.

[aredditor]

>"have you ever wondered why honey doesn't go bad? You can also add it to vegetable juice as a preservative."

Dude, sucrose, fructose, and glucose are preservatives. Why do you think they're used for canning? Why do you think sucrose has been used for canning for nearly 200 years?

Sugar reduces water activity which makes it difficult for pathogens to grow.

[gt40f]

Some of the nutrients in Honey. Vitamin B2, Riboflavin - Vitamin B6, Pyridoxine - Monosaccharides - Disaccharides - Copper - Iron - Manganese honey has an antioxidant, pimocembrin., there in no other known food that contains pimocembrin. However, pimocembrin is not heat stable; Much of its nutrient value is either diminished or destroyed at high temperatures. aredditor, please list for us the nutrients found in HFCS made from genetically modified organism pesticide corn.

[aredditor]

>"aredditor, please list for us the nutrients found in HFCS made from genetically modified organism pesticide corn."

heh heh. Well you listed "Monosaccharides in your list of nutrients in honey. Well those same two monosaccharides are in HFCS. You're a complete failure at science. Trace nutrients found in honey are in such minuscule amounts that it couldn't be used as a source for those nutrients.

You're beginning to drift away from the HFCS is no worse than sucrose argument. Running away?

[gt40f]

HFCS Genetically Maimed Organism Pesticide corn is grown as a monoculture This maximizes yields, but at a price: It depletes soil nutrients, requiring more pesticides and fertilizer while weakening topsoil. It uses more fertilizers and insecticides and causes more soil erosion than other crops. Milling and chemically altering corn to form high-fructose corn syrup also is energy-intensive, the big greed pig agri-businesses don't care because it's subsidized by the taxpayer.

[aredditor]

>"Milling and chemically altering corn to form high-fructose corn syrup also is energy-intensive."

Actually doing things on a massive scale means doing things on an economy of scale that saves energy. Do you think everything at a city farmers market is delivered by rickshaw? Which do you think is more energy intensive; 60,000 lbs of produce delivered to a Costco in one truck, or 60K-lbs delivered to a farmers market in dozens of pickups and vans?

[gt40f]

""an economy of scale that saves energy."" to a certain extent, but it's balanced by the distance traveled, farmers market is closer. And then if you factor in all the hidden costs like health care. US health care is the most expensive in the world, part of the reason is we are not healthy, the main reason for that is poor diet.

[aredditor]

>"And then if you factor in all the hidden costs like health care. US health care is the most expensive in the world, part of the reason is we are not healthy, the main reason for that is poor diet."

But making HFCS illegal tomorrow wouldn't change that at all. The problem is too much calories + sedentary lifestyle. Sucrose would merely replace HFCS, and sugars aren't the only culprit. Australia, Europe, Mexico, and many other countries are also seeing a rise in the same diseases as the US.

[gt40f]

""The problem is too much calories"" LOL, the number one source of calories in the USA is HFCS. ROTFLMAO. Thanks for making my argument.

[aredditor]

"LOL ROTFLMAO", what is this, World of Warcraft? Grow up. Really, how are you typing if you're rolling on the floor laughing your ass off.

Here's the problem with some of the source data used to come up with those figures; It comes from totals manufactured rather than actual consumption.

[gt40f]

""Here's the problem with some of the source data used to come up with those figures; It comes from totals manufactured rather than actual consumption.""

lawyer weasel-speak

so for actual consumption you can't compare total manufacture because people throw away more of their soda than they do of the other non-sugared items.

so show us the stats for "some of the source data"

yeah right, you're clutching at straws aredditor.

[gt40f]

"""LOL ROTFLMAO", what is this, World of Warcraft?""

No it's YouTube. Where the text comment is limited by character count. Thus the use of acronyms if you want to convey more information than normal in the limited space available.

""Grow up""

FOAD!!! Cancer train rider....

[bwhite53]

aredditor is an argumentative asshole who simply goads people into bullshit debates. He has zero intellectual integrity. Don;t waste your time with this fucktard. I think he is a shill for the corn industry or something because of the bullshit he peddles!

[aredditor]

Clearly I've won this debate, because you've drifted completely away from the crux of the argument which is the myth than HFCS is worse for us than sucrose sugar.

Scientific fact:

Regardless of their source, ALL carbohydrates are broken down to the same simple sugars and metabolized exactly the same by our body.

[gt40f]

Scientific fact. HFCS is the largest source of no-nutrient junk food calories in the USA. They are in more items and in larger quantities and it coincides with the current obesity and diabetes epidemics. There's really nothing else that credibly explains it.

who cares if it's worse than sugar or not, clearly it's at least as bad, and that's all you need to realize because white sugar is empty junk food also.

[aredditor]

>"They are in more items and in larger quantities and it coincides with the current obesity and diabetes epidemics."

I will again repeat one more time that correlation does not equal causation. Establishing a correlation between two things is not a sufficient condition to establish a cause, and in addition to the science being ignored, so are other variables related to the subject ignored by those spreading this disinformation about HFCS.

[gt40f]

""I will again repeat one more time that correlation does not equal causation. "" But correlation can indicate possible causation. It should be an indicator to take a closer look by other avenues.

""by those spreading this disinformation about HFCS."" I don't care if 90% of the info against HFCS is wrong (which it isn't), if it wakes Americans up to our garbage food diet of which the no-nutrient empty calories of HFCS is a part of then that's perfectly fine by me.

[aredditor]

Since diabetes is oft brought up in these debates about HFCS, It makes me think about throwing in some -ahem - food for thought about the metabolism of carbohydrates. Before you go on any longer about how HFCS adversely affects blood sugar levels, or how much quicker it supposedly affects blood sugar, look up a glycemic index chart that diabetics use to determine the rate at which foods give them spikes in their blood sugar levels. Your body can more quickly convert starches to glucose.

[usedsyringe28]

@aredditor I'm type 1 diabetic, I take insulin and test my blood sugar several times a day. I've had diabetes for nearly 5 years and have payed attention to what food does to my blood sugars. Fruit doesn't do anything, I don't take insulin for fruit. Cane sugar doesn't raise them for long if I count the carbs and take insulin according to my carb-to-insulin ratio. Products with HFCS in them, I have to take more insulin than my ratio tells me. Naturally, my body wouldn't know what to do with it.

[bwhite53]

aredditor is an apologist for the corn industry, perhaps a paid shill, just ignore his fucktard arguments he's intellectually dishonest.

[aredditor]

>"HFCS is the largest source of no-nutrient"

Actually sugar is a nutrient, and without it, you wouldn't survive. It's a basic necessity of life that you must have.

>"it coincides with the current obesity and diabetes epidemics."

So does an increasingly sedentary lifestyle, yet corn conspiracy activists consistently and conveniently fail to mention that. 30 years ago millions of people didn't spend countless hours parked in chairs with their hands on keyboards staring at monitors.

[bluchamp]

Yes, natural sugars like glucose are necessarily for life. HFCS is Not a natural sugar. The natural sugar that our body needs is glucose, and it only needs it in for energy, otherwise stored as fat. HFCS is less than half made up of glucose, more than the other half containing sugars that our body cannot process easily (fructose), which is stored as fat or gets stuck in the process contributing to diabetes. Our ancestors diet did not consist of 80% corn either, regardless of the sugars involved.

[aredditor]

>"No it's YouTube. Where the text comment is limited by character count. Thus the use of acronyms if you want to convey more information than normal in the limited space available."

You weren't even close to running out of room with that inane comment, and were you REALLY rolling on the floor laughing your ass off? I can picture that, you definitely preach Quackery, so I can picture you acting like a quack on the floor in front of your computer.

[gt40f]

sorry you have to stoop to ad-hominem to "clearly win this debate"

[aredditor]

I'm the only one using valid arguments. I've used science to debunk the myths you preach, and you've been the one all along answering with fallacious arguments. Whenever you're ready to get back to debate using valid arguments, just let me know. Remember, the argument is about HFCS supposedly being worse for us than sucrose sugar. It's not, and I've consistently provided the scientific arguments to back that up, and you've consistently parroted activist hyperbole and outright myths.

[gt40f]

""I'm the only one using valid arguments""

that's why you have entire posts of nothing but ad-hominem?

""Remember, the argument is about HFCS supposedly being worse for us than sucrose sugar. ""

you are delusional, I conceded that point about 30 posts ago

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!

or are you just pitching straw dogs cuz your argument is so weak?

[aredditor]

>"I conceded that point about 30 posts ago"

Then now you're just stalking me.

Aww shucks, I'm flattered.

Now I want to know how you type while rolling on the floor laughing your ass off.

[logtype47]

I never thought I would live to see the day when a industry sponsored ad campaign led to it's own demise.

The CRA screwed up by pushing this ad spot. This is clearly a last ditch effort to salvage a declining industry. CRA has broadened attention to this issue thus accelerating it's own end. People are becoming wise to these PR campaigns and are doing there own independent fact finding.

CRA days are numbered...

It's amazing to watching an entire industry self-destruct due to it's own hubris.

[impalapez]

Thank YOU!!! I'm glad I'm not the only one who views these ads as an affront to my intellect!! Don't worry,"x" isn't bad for you...Brought to you by the "x" association...