Planetary scars Plasma Cosmology Astronomy

[ankham81]

What about round holes in rocks which are quite common in Scandinavia. Official theory is that they are formed in ice-age by water and stones and millions of years(to science everything is possible when you take at least million of years). Finnish ice-age critic Keijo Parkkunen has studied those holes(in finnish they are called "Hiidenkirnu") and find that they were actually formed by great heatness, because there was trace of melt rock at bottom.

[soupdragon42]

@ankham81 Fascinating. Have you got any further info or pics you can link to? Thanks. Soup

[ankham81]

@soupdragon42 This Keijo Parkkunen is really intresting old fellow(born 1927!), his book("Sadan Vuoden Harha-askel" in engl "One Hundred Years Falsestep" ) came already 1984. He has studied those ´holes´ and also so called ´devils-fields´, which are full of round rocks and has come to conclusion that all these are formed in big cosmic catastrofe: Bible´s deluge, where heavens waters rained with heavy thunders and electrical forces 40 days and nights. In utube there´s interview in finnish.

[wavyinfinity]

I need a scientist or an engineer that understands electromagnetism to contact me immediately. I am a serious as a heart attack. I have no need for cash proceeds and this is not a sales offer. I just want credit, because I will not tell someone about my thought unless I get credit for it.

[soupdragon42]

Thoughtless comments from Aanthanur removed.

[Felatio5433]

As much as I love new theories, speculations and facts (mostly facts). This video seems to bother more on clashing with something the author labelled as "mainstream", seemingly more preoccupied with some kind of a political issue then anything else, and that NASA comment right at the end is just the final kick in it. BUT, since it caught my interest, the theory itself, I'll visit the sources, I do advise as a constructive criticism, to focus more on the theory and leave side issues apart.

Cheers

[soupdragon42]

@Felatio5433 This theory has been around for quite a while, but it is now enjoying more support and interest as new pictures from space provide further evidence. The 'mainstream', however, really do stil have their heads up their a#!es.

I can only get so much into a ten minute video, and I recommend checking out the Thunderbolts site.

[otterpopiceland]

i thought scarps and fissures were caused by protoplanetary cooling which results in contractions?

[RedressOfGrievance]

Nothing so Advances the Cause of Science as the Death of Old Scientists.

[soupdragon42]

Strongly agree

[RuessEverett]

@RedressOfGrievance - especially plasma and steady-state cosmologists!

[EltonJThe]

@RedressOfGrievance I also agree with this.

[wavepsychic]

Soup Dragon why didn't you include the feature of Mercury called the Spider in your video?

I also would like to know exactly what an electrical discharge does to a rock such as a planet. I just don't understand what you mean by it.

In the Atlantic and Pacific Ocean we have rifts flowing down the side of the planet and encircling Antarctica. Can this be explained by an electrical phenomena?

[soupdragon42]

Look up EDM on Thunderbolts(dot)info where there is a wealth of information. I can only get so much into a short video. Best. Soup

[n4979338]

How does plasma cosmology fit in with a multi-dimensional universe?

[russthekaiser]

maybe, just maybe an impact to the crust of the Earth can be deep enough to disput the magma underneath it and you occasionally for a volcano in the center of the meteorite impact due to that being the point of penetration. Common sense humanity, there is no need for your self induced headache.

[soupdragon42]

Ideology has a tendency to shortcut intelligence, unfortunately. Follow the evidence, and common sense should take care of the rest. No headaches required.

[russthekaiser]

In time you will come to understand science has been very similar to religion.

[soupdragon42]

Yes, I have been saying this for a long time.

[d240786]

@soupdragon42 Me too!

People who consider themselves to be intelligent piss me off when I tell them my view and they really can't see it?

The 10 commandments have been replaced by the laws of physics.

For a while now many celebrities have been helping to usher in the scientific religion and I'm positive it will be much like christianity in the next century.

Only time will tell.......

[d240786]

@russthekaiser You have no idea how long I've been trying to tell people this!!!

Science IS the new religion and it's been so cleverly manipulated that people actually think your mad if you say that because the general public believe science regardless of what you tell them, our generation has been brought up to think science = truth/fact ie "it's a scientific fact"

it's the perfect religion in term's of what me and you consider religion to be....if you know what I mean.

I'm so relieved.........

[cannabisresin]

oh Puhlease.....

[soupdragon42]

Keep smoking the funny stuff

[cannabisresin]

I'm on it..LMAO!;)!

[WhatIsGod]

Has anyone ever stopped to think about frame drag? Electrons have some mass. Electrons are moving at extreme speeds. Frame drag compresses space time. One drop of water will not move a mountain but a flowing river can completely destroy it. Can electrons coming in from multiple directions compress space-time? Where will people turn when the Bose-Einstein Condensate turns up missing at CERN? What will people do when they come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a graviton

[swordofisis]

mabey they'll build a bigger one

[vzon17]

Yeah the Grand Canyon on earth was made by a big electrical discharge. If you ever drive by there you will so a huge area along the suthern edge where there are huge big black bolders laying all around the landscape as big a houses and the rest of the lands is a different color.

[mgard84]

Of course the grand canyon was created by erosion. But....what erodes on those plantes? does water flow? do you think god created planets in perfect shapes with smooth surfaces?

[TheBadAsstronomer]

Great video. Keep up the good work

[Premdharia]

Interesting. My interest in cosmology is rather new. But I am a Falun Dafa practitioner(ancient chinese qi-gong cultivation system), and we are taught that that the Universe expands into the macro and micro size exponentially, and that our solar system is just an atom in another Cosmic body that is yet much larger.

Think about it, our solar system resembles the structure of an atom, where planets (electrons) revolve around the sun (nucleus), and if electrons are charged, then planets are too.

[stanxcarter]

The Grand Canyon is an example of large planetary electrical scarring.

If you look at an elevation map, the start of the river goes OVER the plateau instead of around it. Also the debris is not present at the end of the river, or anywhere for that matter.

google planet X

[jonbow07]

Of all the possibilities this seems to be the most logical to me... but man I have/share your excellent taste in music, which complements the video's.

[sol889]

Phil,

finally!!

Un ban me and post more stories on UT

[TheBadAstronomr]

One has to concede that these videos make a compelling case

It seems that the role of electricity in mainstream astronomy has been considerably underestimated

[chris2tkd]

Also, has anyone accepted the hollow earth theory here?

[Zaradia]

I absolutely LOVE it!!!

:-)

[reds3077]

At last. The return of real science

[Krackonis]

Finally. It's good to see good, reasoned arguements that actually set out ot answer these questions. It's like we have been told by our forefathers for 5000 years that the skies have changes, well now we know why. Plasma is very very memorable.

[Fonron]

Excellent - neatly encapsulates major issues with current thinking in a well constructed video format.

[davesmithau]

Another great vid from the soupdragon. Keep up the good work!

Cheers, Dave Smith.

[ZITZON]

Dave, Thanks for links!

The rejection of Plasma Cosmology, flies in the face of accepted Scientific Method.

Plasma Physicists have verified their theories and predictions in laboratoey experiments. What more can scientific Method ask for?

The moderator at the Physics Forum offered this rational:

"A terrestrial lab is just too small."

So I say it is the above mainstream statement that really needs to be verified.

[larsthorsen7]

Yes, mainstream has made its share of mistakes, but let us give NASA credit for all the wonderful space craft which have returned to us so many detailed photos of planets, moons, comets, asteroids and the Sun, without which we would be unknowing. Let us show NASA where its mistakes are; namely that an electrical understanding is vital to a correct perception of the solar system and beyond. Great video!!

[jwliv]

Uhm, no. The credit belongs to the taxpayers.

[alien8ted]

Yeah, 'mainstream' science doesn't have all the answers, so let's all study Emmanuel Velikovsky, Erich von Daniken and Richard Hoagland and give it all up for mindless pseudoscience. Have an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out.

[jwliv]

Thanks for the strawman.

[alien8ted]

Strawman? Actually, what I did is properly known as 'poisoning the well.' Whenever anyone claims science doesn't have all the answers, I've always found that inevitably what follows is unmitigated pseudoscientific claptrap. Mainstream science works and is based on evidence, this stuff is highly dubious and based on untested assumptions.

[jwliv]

Just because mainstream science has failed, utterly, does not mean we should all study Velikovsky and Hoagland (which isn't even brought up here, but whatever). So that, my good friend, is a strawman argument.

And when you get a chance, try studying up on Plasma Cosmology. You clearly know nothing at all about it when you claim it is based on untested assumptions.

[ZITZON]

But (alien8ted) Plasma Physicists have produced evidence fully within the dictates of scientific method - and mainstream science has rejected their "verifications". Tell me why this evidence belongs in the "pseudoscientific claptrap" trash bin.

[alien8ted]

If plasma physics really did produce scientifically acceptable evidence, then they wouldn't have been rejected, and many 'mainstream' scientists would be scrambling all over it chasing nobel prizes. These claims are rejected because they have so far failed scientific tests. Even so, I don't reject this avenue of research entirely as something useful or important may very well be discovered from it.

[jwliv]

They wouldn't have been rejected? Why not?

And where's the scientifically acceptable evidence for metaphysical nonsense like black holes, dark matter and dark energy -- all of which, by their very definitions, cannot be observed.

So we have mainstream science accepting magical unicorns that are invisible, yet mysteriously make up 96% of the universe, while rejecting plasma experiments, which (plasma) makes up 99% of visible matter in the universe.

[alien8ted]

"metaphysical nonsense like black holes, dark matter and dark energy" Your ignorance of science is just what I have come to expect from pseudomongers, or you would have known that there is ample physical evidence for all three of these things, which exert predictable effects on their environment that can be and are observed by real scientists. Fail.

[jwliv]

Yet... you can't see them. Keep on believing in fantasies, if that's what you prefer.

[alien8ted]

"Yet... you can't see them." Fuck, you really are a wilfully ignorant imbecile, aren't you? You also can't see the wind or gravity but you see their effects. I typed that v-e-r-y slowly so you might just get it.

[jwliv]

Haha, so upset now, aren't we! This is what happens to you when cognitive dissonance sets in. Sucks, doesn't it?

In your fictional universe, 96% of the matter that is required to hold together galaxies (and everything else) is unobservable. There is not enough observable matter for your calculations to work.

Your solution? The missing matter surely must be there, it just can't be observed!

In a sane world, that would falsify your mainstream theories.

[alien8ted]

jwliv, it's just exasperating talking to a arrogant, jumped-up ignorant twat like you who hasn't the foggiest clue what he's talking about, who shamlelessly flaunts his utter ignorance of even basic science 'cos he thinks science is unfairly prejudiced against ionised gas! You pathetic, hopeless wanker!

[jwliv]

Anytime you want to present a reasoned argument or evidence is fine by me. Or you could just keep on with the ad homs.

One tip though, the name calling isn't very persuasive.

[jwliv]

When was the last time your mainstream theories have predicted ANYTHING correctly?

[alien8ted]

jwliv, mainstream science produced the computer you are using, has doubled human lifespan in the last 100 years, eradicated many diseases like smallpox that had killed millions, given us aircraft, spacecraft, cars, x-rays, satellites, better nutrition, genetics, the telephone, recorded music, global mapping, weather forecasting, organ replacement, I could go on...

[jwliv]

Uhm, did you forget we were talking about astronomy and cosmology?

[Kenzofeis]

If you consider it mainstream science when some not formally educated person is interested in something and makes a discovery or technical development that everybody laughed at the possibility of, or was "forbidden", or was totally by chance..

[jwliv]

People like you have brought has back to the 16th century. You'll never find dark matter, black holes, or dark energy -- ever.

It's epicycles all over again.

[alien8ted]

jwliv, if you REALLY believed science was false you wouldn't right now be benefiting from quantum mechanics which provided your computer, or the medications you are clearly taking to deal with your schizophrenia. Get a life and read a science book and you might even learn something.

[jwliv]

This video, and conversation, is about mainstream astronomy and their mainstream scientific theories.

Why are you being deliberately obtuse? Well, at least I hope it's deliberate.

[Kenzofeis]

Alien8ted, let's not forget that almost ALL the stuff you learn from these books are THEORIES which are - ohhh darn - THEORIES, which means NOT PROVEN FACT, which means, NOT TRUE KNOWLEDGE - just models and speculations. Even if partly proven a theory is still a theory, and the bits and pieces of proof depends on the interpretations. Which tends to be many due to the number of eager beavers wanting to make a name for themselves in the hunt for funding and fame.

[chris2tkd]

I am not agreeing with anyone here because I may not be as well educated as you all. Either way, I dont argue with something no one trully understands in the first place. I simply want to ask, what about protons and how they are not limited by time and space, and that they can mimick eachother over vast distances with no elapased time. If nothing can move faster than the speed of light, then there must be some sort of unseen matrix that allows this to happen.

[Kenzofeis]

In experiments they have achieved a "tunneling effect" able to deliver a signal faster than light (maybe instantly, I don't remember), so, it is possible that this

effect can work over infinite distances through some channels connecting every tiny bit of matter.. speculative, but I liked it ;P

[jwliv]

Might I also add that your faith in the objectivity of mainstream science is quite ironic when you seem to exert very little effort in exercising your own objectivity.

You never even bothered to consider the evidence for Plasma Cosmology before labeling it a pseudoscience.

[EltonJThe]

@alien8ted Like FTL?

[dinkwit]

Scientific orthodoxy is a mafia existing only to secure funding in order to perpetuate its academic oligarchy and dogmatic ideologies. NASA should be investigated for malfeasance and the waste of taxpayer money

[blobrana]

Rubbish.

This is either delusion, ignorance or financial greed - you decide.

[dpatina]

Oh I quite agree...NASA has it's blind-side. Delusion/ignorance/financial greed are all bedfellows with any govt. agency, though. I'm ok with it, so long as they can continue bringing the space shots home to us, and let others (more qualified) figure out what they all mean.

[Suzy023]

NASA - Never a Straight Answer ;-)