God sent Joseph Smith to built the lds church, so he could truly test the hearts of people. As in Galatians 1:6-8. To see if man would follow a false Gospel, led by a false prophet. Indeed, many have followed it. Just as Jesus said, that he would take sight from those who say the see, and give it to those who cant see.
The lds church is an abomination to Christs word and teachings. All are welcome into Christs church. No one is welcome into the lds ( unless you have a white shirt on )
Hey Mang want to disprove mormonism? Just read the book of Mormon and ask God if it is true through prayer. Go to the source. You honestly can't trust anything. We don't even have the original transcripts of the bible, all we have are translations of translations that even err from one to another. You can only trust God. Read the book of Mormon, ask God if its true! Then you know from the source of all knowledge. This is why I am LDS, otherwise I would not be. God answered my prayer.
The Church officially has stated the obvious, ''The Church does not claim to know how Jesus was conceived but believes the Bible... in references to Jesus being born of the Virgin Mary". So 'remember no evil' and love, forgive and move on. Mormons are Christian and have their hopes of becoming accepted as such, if there were any statements in the past that seem to challenge this position then, forgive and allow us to worship the Son of God along with you.
Have you read this book that explained who Jesus's physical father is ?
It is called "The virgin and the priest". It is very well documented and very helpful.
There are reasons why Joseph had to overcome the fact that somebody else was Jesus' father. It is to reverse what took place at the time of the human fall when Lucifer took the place of God as our father. Jesus reminded us that we are doing the will of Satan, our father. Joseph overcame and protected Mary. Still he had a difficult (more.
realtionship with Jesus later on. We do not hear about him in the Gospel. Jesus had also a difficult time with his brothers and sisters. Even Mary did not understand him and what his mission was. Please read the book I mentioned. It is very enlighting.
@completedtestamentTV you blocked me you scared mooney follower you. wow now here we are and this is not your channel. i had some questions and arguments relating your unification church. and you didn't answer me, and you blocked me. I called you church a cult. you don't even advertise you're part of a church ahem cult. that is very deceptive. you call yourself Christian? you are part of an anti christian cult. and you don't even have the guts to answer simple arguments and Q's. coward.
I notice a certain inconsistency in Mormonism. On the one hand, they teach to follow the prophet. On the other hand, they say that Brigham Young was just speculating about Mary having sex with Heavenly Father, Adam is God the Father, Cain was cursed with black skin, and there are some sins that Jesus did not die for that requires the shedding of one's own blood to atone for them. If this is just speculation, why did Brigham Young constantly insist these teachings must be believed?
one may believe that as a mormon but the mormon faith is what is at stake, and the mormon faith does not believe in the virgin birth, they believe that heavenly father came down and had sweet love with Mary. Now if that were the case then god sinned by committing fornication by having unbridled passion.
I do not believe heavenly father would sin, nor is capable of sinning. So lets just say it was a miracle and forget trying to beet around the bush. ha ha
Wait, are you scolding mormons for rejecting the claim of a supernatural immaculate-virgin-birth in lieu of their belief of a supernatural god-physically-plowed-Mary birth? Shouldn't we be laughing at the insanity of both of those ideas?
The reason people emphasize the "virgin" part is because of this ridiculous worth given to virginity. (of course I'm not talking about those virgins who are young teens, obviously they're too young for sex) but to give a supernatural spin on something that was valued so much is just archaic.
Mormonism devalues and revalues and redefines every basic tenet of Christianity.It is Polytheistic and Polygamous. There god is one of zillions of gods. He is a god perfected thru works. he is a god born into a universe of pre existing matter. He is polygamous and had sex with Mary. And on it goes.
welcome to MORmON doctrine schizonphrenia. Joe Smith went on & on about the virgin birth in the BOM, but then taught the Literal divine siring of Christ by Elohim. But Mary is still a "virgin" because MORMON God actions dont count and /or He is Magic ...Just like Mormon underwear! One minute its utlra sacred, the next it doesnt matter that much, yah right! what ever cop out it takes to get out of it ! Dont trust Mormons !
Wow! They can't call themselves Christians without believing in the virgin birth of Jesus, but then again they believe in scriptures outside of the Bible (Book of Mormon). The Bible warns us of false prophets
The Bible warns "us" about false prophets? You are worried about "false prophets" so I am guessing you call yourself a christian, well that is strange considering your behavior on other vids and your VEHEMENT support of the completely UNbiblical practice of homosexuality, and in such an anti-mormon way.
I am thinking that anti-mormonism clouds people's vision to the truth of things.
This guys lies. We believe in the virgin birth, and this guy has spun statements into his own interpretation. There is no apostle who has ever denied the Bible. That's just a lie, but he does it with a smile?
That's funny how EVERYTHING to you is a lie that isn't favorable towards Mormonism.
The fact is what Aaron does say IS true, and you're the liar. Anyone like you who bans people from their channel for disagreeing with you can't present themselves as credible.
What I have said is completely verifiable if you would avail yourself to look into that. I know what our doctrines are, and I believe your vision is clouded by anti-mormonism and the constant barrage of lies. Again,
We believe in the virgin birth, and this guy has spun statements into his own interpretation. There is no apostle who has ever denied the Bible.
I see I did ban you from telling untruths on my channel. People that say things that are not true, even when they have been pointed out as untrue, are generally called liars. I am sorry to say that this is probably the reason you got a ban.
Nice, you pretend you don't remember speaking with me. I backed up several things with sources, and you still banned me even though I disrespected you in no way.
You just can't last long when it comes to having an intelligent conversation that may lead to proving Mormonism wrong.
Ah, I will disregard the last comment, but it is true that LDS believe that Mary was impregnated by God coming down to earth to have intercourse with her.
Therefore, you can't believe in the virgin birth. No wonder Aaron is smiling because of such a ridiculous concept, and you say he spun it around to seem like something else. Facts are facts, and in them are the truth.
You see, this is WHY you were banned from making these untrue statements on my channel. You hear the truth and you keep saying the lies.
I've read all the quotes from Brigham Young, and it just depends on how you want to SPIN them. Taking someone out of context is pretty easy, but why don't you take it in the context of "we believe the bible" and in the Bible it says that Jesus was born of a virgin, Mary, and that is the doctrine we believe, and yet you guys spin it and basically, lie.
When Brigham Young says "in the same manner" about Jesus being created, do you doubt that there was a sperm? Do you doubt that there was an egg? Do you doubt that there was an embryo? Do you believe it was magic? Or do you believe that the baby GREW in the womb, and it all happened very naturally?
I do. That makes sense. She also bore the baby in a manger/stable, and I am sure there was blood present in all of that too.
What's the problem with BY's statements then? NONE.
BY never said they had sex, but there had to be sperm, no? There had to be an egg, for that's how it all works.
Where you guys stretch this and SPIN this is when you IMPLY that BY said that God had sex with Mary, and well, that's just not necessary nor practical considering that He can HEAL people by saying the word. OF COURSE He just said the word, and Mary was impregnated, much like doctors can artificially inseminate, God can certainly turn water into wine, raise the dead, even do this..
Maybe you believe what the Bible says, but you don't speak for the general LDS population. It clearly states in your doctrines that LDS believe Mary was impregnated by God through having sex.
As for you banning me, you did so, claiming that it was because I attacked Joseph Smith with documentation I also provided.
You are right, I do NOT speak for the general LDS population, but I do know what they believe and they do NOT believe that God had sex with Mary, nor do they teach this, and I do know what the Sunday School manuals say. They say what the Bible says, and that is that Jesus was born of a virgin.
NOWHERE does this sex idea come out EXCEPT in the anti-mormon circles, for they made it up and try to attribute this to us, laughing while they do so, for it is persecution and lies.
You guys see the words "natural action" and immediately dirty minds that you are, you think of sex. I think of procedure, the course of a pregnancy, the natural action of the growth of an embryo in a womb, and coming forth out of a womb in birth.
But you think sex. That is why you are perverted in your thoughts. BY never thought that. You SPUN that idea by interpreting things, very liberally, very cynically.
Darwin says "natural selection" and you know what he means. BY says "natural action" and you think of sex. You say you do, but you know you don't, you are being cynical. Otherwise you would have to say that Darwin too was talking of sex when he uses the term "natural selection" but we know what he means.
@mormonanswerman Grant has 12 kids! but when Brigham Young lays out the sex act in explicit terns to describe the MORmON paternity of Christ, non Members are dirty minded sex thinkers .... for following & understanding the train of thought of pervert Brigham Young. OF course when Grant was banging away on his wife to make all of his babies it was OK Because of the secret MORmON temple handshake!
@mormonanswerman; Why do you always attempt to smear a persons charachter when you don't agree with them? it seems a favored mormon method, still deeply wrong.
Not trying to smear you like you have done to me on the other vids, just trying to remind you of your christian roots, hoping you can try and be a nicer person to mormons, that's all. I wish you would BE the christian God wants you to be, that's all.
Thanks for getting out there in the cold evening to proclaim biblical truth! Your love for the LDS and especially for God's Word comes across in your face and demeanor. Here's trusting God to keep on using you in a mighty way. Pressing on in Christ . . . Gary P.
Col.2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
imtherealthing, Colossians was, in all probability based on neutral historians, not authored by Paul (i.e., it's a forgery), and your comment doesn't actually address his argument, however flawed, which clearly dismantles the LDS position of the virgin birth as it relates to the conventional christian theology.
I disagree..it was authored by Paul. I know that some argue that it may not have been Paul ( I am a student of Religious Studies). But the point is...Colossians says to watch out for vain philosophies...and we see that is very real with the hellinized early church...and what the councils did with say the trinity...not given by prophets or apostles, but APPOINTED men ..appointed by whom?..a pagan (Constantine)..all those who disagreed..were either killed or exhiled.
I always find it disappointing when "students of religious studies" (no confirmation bias on your part i am sure) accept the evidence when it suits them, but not when it works in their favor.
Tell me ..why is the doctrine of works and grace not of God as you and your kind teach this doctrine of Martin Luther "Justification by faith" only.
When in FACT for the first 1600 years!!! Christians PRACTICED and BELIEVED in a WORKS and GRACE gospel..in FACT..the Catholics and EASTERN "ORTHODOX" churches still teach this today..it is you evangelicals - the MINORITY who practice this false theology..not to mention that Martin Luther on his death bed confessed he was wrong.
Tell me t..why is it that one can sin against the FATHER and the SON but not against the HOLY GHOST as we read in the "bible"..if they are of the same essence or substance or MIND as trinitarians say ..why is it that you are not sinning against the HOLY GHOST when you sin against the Father and Son..if they are the same ESSENCE or SUBSTANCE or MIND?
Mormons believe that Christ was born of the Virgin Mary. In the Book of Mormon (see 1 Nephi Ch.11 Ver.18-21) we read that Jesus was indeed born of a virgin. Mormon doctrine makes no attempt to explain "how" the conception took place... and guess what, it honestly doesn' t matter "how!" There are some things that we just won't know the answer to at this time. Christ said to follow him and be baptized- he never said spend all your days finding out and arguing over how I was conceived!
And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass.......THAT I JOseph SMITH will lie and deceit.
"And Christ was born into the world as a literal Son this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father. He was...born in the normal and natural course of events (Mormon Doctrine, p. 742).
"The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood, was begotten of his Father, as we were of our father" (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 8, p. 115).
It appears aaronshaf2006 doesn't like my comments as I have been blocked. I can only assume he knows I am right and that me correcting misleading and incorrect statements foils his plans.
I can only assume this temp user account will be blocked as well...
This is the laziness excuse that mankind has rejected for thousands of years. "Are the wandering lights in the sky gods looking down at us?", thanks to Galileo we know they are planets. "When we are sick is it an evil spirit inhabiting us?" Thanks to medical scientists we have the germ theory to explain it. To not question and not seek to understand is just lazy. To let someone else do the thinking for you is foolish.
Aaron, do you know that Santa Claus' world wide Christmas rounds; go back to the early Christian doctrine; & early Christian apologists responses? Responding to early anti-Christians' charges of Christ neglecting other nations? Answering them by writing that Christ did go to other nations around the world? That's what at the root of earlier Christmas time. Merry Christmas!
Arron, don't you know that in Jewish thought, a women wedded to her husband, even after having kids, can still be a virgin, so long as she is faithful to her husband?
btw, its cute how you'd make up an on-the-spot interview off the top of your head - you do realize that no Mormons believe what you speak of, correct?
Check out the "Mormon Coffee" and "Mormon Matters" blog posts where various Mormons defend the notion of God having sex with Mary. They were posted with a week or so of this video being posted.
Also, I have Mormon friends who believe God had sex with Mary, so believing your statement "no Mormons believe what you speak of" would require me pretending that they haven't told me what they've told me.
@aaronshaf2006 your mormon "friends" obviously don't understand what a "virgin" is and they don't believe the Bible then, and I would venture to say that if they are also drinking coffee, well then, that about sums it up. Mormons posting on a "momron coffee" blog. That about sums it up.
Hence you are willing to renounce what Young/Pratt/Talmage/McConkie said when they denied the virgin birth? Or will you, as the video said, practice historical revisionism or give them a free pass, showing that you really don't value the virgin birth that much?
@aaronshaf2006 why don't you show us, show ANYone where these four apostles have EVER denied the virgin birth! That is such a lie and you continue to do it, lie. There is no way that the apostles deny the Bible or the verse that says that Mary was born of a virgin. I would very much like you to back up your statements, but I know you can't, because they did not say that. Jesus was born of a virgin, that's what we believe, that's what the Bible teaches as well. It's clear.
I make the statement because your beliefs are just as incredulous and lacking in evidence as those of the LDS faith, and yet you still believe them. To me, watching you argue with the LDS apologist is like watching two Harry Potter enthusiasts argue over which dumbledore actor is better. Which do you prefer, Richard Harris or Michael Gambon?
Certainly, other than your declaration, provide a falsifiable thesis, or rational evidence for the suspension of the natural order of procreation which would support your belief, but would also preclude you from believing any other virgin birth myth shared by past and present theologies.
That's not an answer to the question. In fact, the logic and rationality you use to 'bash' LDS believers, utterly deconstructs your own faith, and your inability to defend it merely emphasizes it.
How does you not answering the question make a statement about my position? Look, you seem like a genuine guy, and I whole heartily support your use of reason to deconstruct unsupportable LDS claims, and I think you would be intellectually honest by applying that same logic to your own beliefs. So I'll lay down the opportunity for you to again answer my previous question. The more you avoid it, the less believable you sound.
To make your question clear you need to expose your hidden premises, i.e. whether you think "logic" automatically precludes all supernatural claims from the start.
You can answer the question in whatever line of reasoning you see fit, and if you apply the same standards of evidence you assuage against LDS beliefs, I'm not sure how you will succeed, but let's debate that after you answer the question.
I'm not using the standard of anti-supernaturalism against Mormonism, hence that same standard need not be used against my own beliefs in order for me to be consistent. The complaint that I'm not using strict irrational philosophical anti-supernaturalism against Christianity assumes that I'm using that against Mormonism.
I haven't made it out much this December but otherwise it's once a week.
This is the fifth opportunity to answer the question. I'm not excluding supernatural or metaphysical responses as possible explanations to consider, in fact, if you re-read the challenge, it is implicitly implied that you do address it. Don't skip your response and assume mine, there's no civility in that.
You're assuming as a premise that I don't apply the same standards to my own beliefs as I do to others. Not agreeing with your premise makes me unlikely to support your conclusion. Also, you haven't specified what kind of standard you're thinking of.
It's still a dodge to the question, and it just looks like you're afraid to answer it. Let's backtrack and see if we can get to the point where you are willing to answer it. Do you use reason or logic in analyzing LDS claims about the virgin, or not so virgin, birth as compared to your own belief?
I'm still waiting for the response to why you do not accept other religious claims of parthenogenesis if you accept the christian virgin birth. Let's complete the circle of your argument and find out if you can be intellectually honest.
@ursowrng no its not that simple. It is not a matter of opinions or a pissing contest. One of them is telling the truth and the other is NOT telling the truth. I know that Aaron is not telling the truth on this one.
@mormonanswerman That certainly is a misuse of the word "knowledge" we can apply that word to facts, such as gravity, thermodynamics, evolution, etc.. You shouldn't be using that word for your beliefs, especially when you have no evidence to support even a reason to consider your beliefs.
@mormonanswerman When you are able to disprove gravity, I'll reconsider believing the biblical account of Jesus walking on water. Out of curiosity, do you believe everything in the bible as inerrant fact?
@ursowrng I have seen, witnessed, and been a part of many different miracles throughout my life. This is why I DO believe in the miracles in the Old Testament, the New Testament, etc., because I have personally seen and been involved in many. I am a believer in those things that I have not seen, because I have seen what is possible in my own life. Never saw walking on water or flying, etc., but I have seen miraculous and instant healing, many times. Have received revelations too.
@mormonanswerman Have you witnessed a "miracle" where there was an explanation that science could not explain? For instance, people get better from being sick all the time when no prayer or blessings are administered, but I have yet to see an amputee grow an arm back no matter how hard they pray. When the most probable explanation can be believed, why do you instead choose the impossible?
I think a miracle is a miracle, no matter how small.
I too have never seen physical deformities healed, but I do believe that it is possible and the Lord could do it, and one with sufficient faith could do it. What is harder, bringing someone back from the DEAD, or healing a physical deformity? Maybe people have seen the power of the Priesthood bring people back from the dead, or prevent certain death as a result of an accident, for instance.
@mormonanswerman So what's the difference between your belief that a being without any physical evidence has not healed an amputee and a fairy who has not healed an amputee? And what's more PROBABLE, that the 1800 year old record of the resurrection is factual or a myth, except in my example, I am referencing apollonuis of tyanna's resurrection.
Here's how it works for people that think like you do, and its not my choice, and I am not being vindictive, but God will NOT do a miracle for an unbeliever, a doubter, and here is the biblical reference for that:
Matt. 16:1 The Pharisees...desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.
2 [Jesus] answered...them
4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and THERE SHALL BE NO SIGN GIVEN unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
@mormonanswerman I don't need a miracle, I need evidence. You can quote any magical book you wish (even when you clearly do not even understand the book you are reading). Just showing up would be one way. You haven't answered any of my questions, you just continue on ranting like a fanatic. Just try applying your logic about rejecting Islam or Catholicism to Mormonism. Just let that idea detonate inside your mind if you can grasp it.
Have you been asking questions? You mean like the one asking if I read Alice in Wonderland, those kind of questions? Those are not questions, they are insults, and why would you expect an answer to those kind of insults? I am politely ignoring your disrespect and staying on topic, because you are trying to make this a personal attack, you are trying to understand me, but you can't, so you resort to Alice and Wonderland stories. I know what you're doing, but trying to ignore that.
@mormonanswerman That's not an answer to the question. Let's try it again, and I'll use small words so as not to confuse you. Why do you use reason and logic to argue against the belief of others, but will not apply it to your own faith? When you realize that, you will realize why I reject your beliefs.
I think if it has come down to that, personal insults, I guess we are done. I always give people a chance to at least hear my views, but when it dribbles down to an insultfest, I think we are done. I gave it my best.
@mormonanswerman Once again, belief in the unprovable fails under the most basic level of honest scrutiny. I was once as you are, but it took real humility to admit my errors and correct my views. Give integrity of thought a try, you might find out why it excels in every aspect of understanding.
@mormonanswerman Hey, I got something for you. Read J&D Vol XIII, pg 271. It talks about the LDS teaching regarding the sun being inhabited. This is in your doctrine. With that being the case, I don't doubt Joseph Smith taught about the moon being inhabited by Quakers. Good thing I came across it. I would have posted it on your channel, had you not blocked me last year...
Yes, I have witnessed a miracle that science could not explain. When healing takes place instantly, and in the same moment as the words are pronounced in a blessing, there is no way that science can explain that.
As a child I recall shaking wildly with a fever at 8 yrs old. The Bishop and my father lay their hands on my head and pronounce the blessing of healing, and instantly I was calmed, tired, and went to sleep.
The same thing happened for me as a Father to my daughter 25 years later.
Oh yeah? So science has an explanation for healing, and I am ignorant of it? There is no explanation of it or you would have shared it already.
What I know about it, is that it is an experiment that can ONLY be repeated on principles of FAITH, and a scientist is not approaching it in that manner. They will say words. but words alone without faith are going to be a fail. How do YOU science FAITH? Who is being ignorant on this one?
Last I checked, people's bodies heal themselves without any medical or spiritual intervention. I just recovered from a viral infection, more commonly known as a "cold" without uttering a single prayer. Additionally, the placebo effect has been thoroughly vetted. So of the three possibilities (and that's using the word "possibility" liberally, since by definition a miracle is something that is impossible) which is more likely?
I think you refuse to see. Korihor made such a choice.
The miracles I wrote about were not explained by immune system or placebo. All the calming in the world, all the motherly love and tenderness would not calm or comfort our daughter who was screaming in pain, hysterically, and even when my hands laid on her head to bless her, the screams continued. She said "No!, no!" but after I closed the blessing she immediately stopped, looked up at me, closed her eyes, and went to sleep for 5 hours.
@mormonanswerman the forthcoming sarcasm is intentional, your position is delusional. How do you know Zeus didn't answer your prayer, or a UFO alien? Why do you attribute what you do not know or understand to your CLEARLY PROGRAMMED belief in an anthropomorphic non-visable super being? If you don't know, JUST SAY "I DON'T KNOW", don't pretend to know and think people will take you seriously. We don't, we think you are delusional.
@ursowrng Korihor spoke like you do now. He attributed experiences he NEVER HAD to delusion, frenzied mind, etc., he insulted others who had experiences he never had, and tried to make it look like insanity:
Alma 30:16 Ye look forward and say that ye see a remission of your sins. But behold, it is the effect of a frenzied mind; and this derangement of your minds comes because of the traditions of your fathers, which lead you away into a belief of things which are not so.
@mormonanswerman I've already refuted this argument. your idea of truth is not falsifiable. It's like saying if I pray and nothing happens, then nothing was supposed to happen, but If I pray and something happens, THAT was supposed to happen. Either way, it can't be proven true or false. Why not be intellectually honest and take a position that can be tested, and if you're wrong, just admit it.
Alma 30:44 Thou hast had signs enough; will ye tempt your God? Will ye say, Show unto me a sign, when ye have the testimony of all these thy brethren, and also all the holy prophets? The scriptures are laid before thee, yea, and all things denote there is a God; yea, even the earth, and all things that are upon the face of it, yea, and its motion, yea, and also all the planets which move in their regular form do witness that there is a Supreme Creator.
Hey Grant, you should watch last week's Heart of the Matter. Towards the end of the show, Shawn McCraney said your name out of the long list of who he would love to have as a guest on his show. Since you have so much to say, why don't you be a guest Shawn's show a go a few rounds with him? I take it that you know how to get in touch with the show.
There is a power in the Priesthood, the power of God. He can do miracles. When His disciples tried to do miracles they said to Him "Why could not we cast him out?
Matt17 20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. 21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
@mormonanswerman 1) This prediction has never come to fruition, just like all the rest and 2) Matthew (according to nearly all serious scholars) was written 40-50 years after the death of jesus, and it wasn't written by matthew. However, even if it was, why should I believe it? Do you take homeopathic medicine just because the instructions say it will cure you? Do you read alice in wonderland and think rabbits can talk? Come on, get back in touch with reality, take the pancake sign off.
@ursowrng So, you're a non-believer, why are you talking with me then? Are you trying to convert me, or are you trying to convince yourself that there is nothing to it?
Now consider that you apply this logic to absolutely everything else in your life EXCEPT your belief (that is, unless you believe in every single dreamed up god, fairy, UFO, etc...) Your arguments are not new, they are not convincing, and they have been eviscerated by the example of your own life.
I think the Lord reserved the "super-natural" miracles, such as great floods, fire from heaven, weather, and angels, etc. for final moments, when all efforts by God to win His people over through FAITH have been exhausted. Once the great miracles start happening, it will be TOO LATE. That will be the very end. People will say to the mountains and rocks:
Rev. 6:16 ...Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb
Of course I look forward to the coming of Christ. I would that all people would repent, especially non-believers such as yourself, and you will avoid a painful and embarrassing moment when the burning comes and people are punished by being sent to a hell to think about their disobedience to Heavenly Father. He's Father. Do you think that being disrespectful to your Father is OK, or does not deserve any consequence? I look at kids who take this stance with parents and think them whiners.
we are of god, made of god, therefore should have similar aspects to and of god. hence, a regular birth, it's teaching us that we can be like him because we are of him. ps. christ was not born in wintertime sir. read the informative part of the bible where it says that the sheep were out in the field at night when he was born...no shepherds work outside in dead winter. a truly christian way to celebrate christmas would be to not celebrate christmas as we know it.
Since the Bible does not tell us when Jesus was born, why is christmas not as good as any other day? Yes we know it was not December 25th but its still Christmas. Actually we celebrate it every single day, and we are so thankfull! God gave us the Lamb of God, God in man form.
@thatjimguy Your question assumes God has not sufficiently revealed himself in a way that would make idolaters morally responsible for their idolatry.
And he hasn't...on purpose. If you absolutely knew he was there, would you sin ever? Really? REALLY? It's like a cop over your shoulder as you decide whether to put money in the meter. With free will, there is no true test of righteousness.
Anyway, you miss the point of my question. You say Jesus is God, LDS say he is the literal Son of God. What difference does that really make how we treat each other? Why would he care so much about our "theories" about his makeup?
I reject your premise, hence my rejection of your consequential question. Also, you're conflating sufficient revelation that yield moral culpability with comprehensive and overwhelming revelation. In other words, just because God reveals himself in a way that makes you morally accountable doesn't mean he has done so to the fullest extent possible.
When Jesus said, "unless you believe that I am", he wasn't including those who believe Jesus is the Flying Spaghetti Monstler, as you would imply.
@thatjimguy Also see John 15, where Jesus say you cannot bear fruit apart from him. What you believe about Jesus and how you believe in him, according to the Bible, has an enormous impact on whether you can bear fruit that is pleasing to him. Also consider the obedience of the Judaizers in the Epistle to the Galatians. Paul condemned the gospel of the Judaizers as damnable heresy, even though they did good works. No offense, but you seem to disagree with Paul. Take care!
Everything is speculation. Like anyone knows for absolute sure who did what or where. How would you know? You've been taught to know. Hows does sexual relations or virgin birth change how we treat each other? Would Jesus care? Would he say we have more pressing issue to worry about other than how he came to be?
@thatjimguy Are you absolutely sure that everything is speculation or are you speculating about speculation? I'm trying to show you the self-defeating nature of the statement, "Everything is speculation"
LOL! Yeah, that is cute. OK fine. I am just saying that no one knows for sure what will happen after we die. No one knows for sure what the makeup of God is. Not you, not me, not LDS, no one.
We do have faith in things that we wish are true, but unseen. But that's about it.
So why would any God, worthy of the title, blast someone for another viewpoint on how God came to be / What God is like / How we relate to him?
Again, I have to smile at how cute that response is. Yes, I don't know that everyone doesn't know. I don't know if you know or not. But I can bet not.
Which comes down to you convincing me of what someone else told you which, in turn, was probably told to him by someone else. But did any of them know?
But again the REAL question I have for you to ponder is this...
Why would any God, worthy of the title, blast someone for another view on how God came to be, is like, and how we relate to him?
@thatjimguy, it's definitely about logic here, not cuteness.
The real more foundation question is whether God has revealed himself to people in a way that makes them morally accountable for what they have been shown. You have a wealth of revelatory resources available to you.
Didn't Bruce McConkie write the book Mormon Doctrine? In that book it says that Jesus was conceived by a physical relationship between Mary and God the Father, who has a body of flesh and blood. If the current church leaders accept this book then I would assume they accept that believe also.
Modern Mormonism has a love/hate relationship with that book. One reason it is often hated is that is bluntly expresses unrepudiated parts of Mormon traditionalism that Mormon leaders wish would quietly go away or at least quietly survive in the more private beliefs of its members.
Aaron. Why are you so hung up on points of doctrine. It sounds to me like you have fallen into the trap of looking beyond the mark. Jesus' basic doctrine was to be kind to each other. That's all he was talking about. You are a Christian if you are kind to people. Mormons are Christians if they are kind to people. End of story. I think you would do a better job if you went and did some work down a soup kitchen instead. Saying that, I do like your questions.
@awol. The idea of Christ has been carried to us by corrupt organisations throughout history. I do believe in Christ but I don't think my belief is necessarily more valid that a Muslim, even though they say Christ was just a prophet. I believe that Kindness does come from God. This is distributed by teachers of righteousness. As soon as we start going down the road of splitting hairs of doctrine about Mary's conception we are missing the point.
I have a suggestion. You be the first one to start "quietly" saying, "praise the Lord" in church. I know this is not offensive in the lds church. It might catch on. People will start examining the true identity of Jesus instead of praising Joseph Smith.
@awolLDSasap that would require me attending the lds church which i find too dull these days. I agree with you on the lack of mentioning jesus in the lds church
@TheBrotherofGerard, have you read the four gospels where Jesus says things like, "unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins" (John 8:24) ?
@aaronshaf2006 i probably won't as i have read it all man times. I prefer the "Christian" way of looking at things. The grace way if you will, but i can see where the mormons are coming from. It's all good to me as long as it encourages people to do good
Matthew seven 21 and Matthew twenty two 37-39 sums it up for me. You look like that kind of person anyway to me so you probably have nothing to worry about. ( not that I'm judging). I just think that you are arguing with people when you are all christians. That doesn't make sense to me.
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Please show some of these "good" evidences for god.
If there were any that could stand up to the scientific methods, you would have a worldwide revolution on your hands. But of course, you will find no such thing. You have no such evidence in the same way there is a lack of evidence for any other gods - and thus you lend yourself no more credibility than the mormon who claims his beliefs are the "right" ones.
How about looking them up by doing an internet search or better get some books--Reasonable Faith by William Lane Craig or J. P. Moreland's Scaling the Secular City? There's scientific evidence for God (Big Bang, 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, Intelligent Design) as well as historical (prophecy and miracles testified in Jesus of Nazareth) and philosophical evidence (cosmological, design, ontological, moral, free will/responsibility) arguments, as well as the "evidence" of personal experience.
Check out the table of contents of "I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be An Atheist". Also see William Lane Craig's "Defenders Podcast" for a list of basic reasons to believe in God
@MormonInfoDotOrg No, you have that wrong. You are speculating, spinning. What I find strange also is that you project your own opinions on events of the past, like how do you feel about great prophets practicing polygamy? Of course, you think that God was not involved in it. How do you feel about Adam and Eve's children having sex and making families? Do you project your own idea of incest on that, and think it wrong? If they didn't, you would NOT be here. Stop judging wrongfully.
The 2 wrongs are Mormonism and what most LDS go into after they are burned by it--atheism. These LDS throw the baby out with the bathwater when they go into such negativism. There are so many good evidences for God, yet atheists are typically as closed-minded as Mormons are.
@MormonInfoDotOrg The reason so many become atheists, is because they know they had the TRUTH but they got offended, did great sins, or became cynical. They can't fool themselves unless they listen to Shawn McCraney.
r u buddhist ayy
Bennyson10 5 months ago
sooooo lame ur lanky
Bennyson10 5 months ago
God sent Joseph Smith to built the lds church, so he could truly test the hearts of people. As in Galatians 1:6-8. To see if man would follow a false Gospel, led by a false prophet. Indeed, many have followed it. Just as Jesus said, that he would take sight from those who say the see, and give it to those who cant see.
The lds church is an abomination to Christs word and teachings. All are welcome into Christs church. No one is welcome into the lds ( unless you have a white shirt on )
999LDS 7 months ago
Hey Mang want to disprove mormonism? Just read the book of Mormon and ask God if it is true through prayer. Go to the source. You honestly can't trust anything. We don't even have the original transcripts of the bible, all we have are translations of translations that even err from one to another. You can only trust God. Read the book of Mormon, ask God if its true! Then you know from the source of all knowledge. This is why I am LDS, otherwise I would not be. God answered my prayer.
55keatz55 7 months ago
The Church officially has stated the obvious, ''The Church does not claim to know how Jesus was conceived but believes the Bible... in references to Jesus being born of the Virgin Mary". So 'remember no evil' and love, forgive and move on. Mormons are Christian and have their hopes of becoming accepted as such, if there were any statements in the past that seem to challenge this position then, forgive and allow us to worship the Son of God along with you.
adamhburner 10 months ago
Have you read this book that explained who Jesus's physical father is ?
It is called "The virgin and the priest". It is very well documented and very helpful.
There are reasons why Joseph had to overcome the fact that somebody else was Jesus' father. It is to reverse what took place at the time of the human fall when Lucifer took the place of God as our father. Jesus reminded us that we are doing the will of Satan, our father. Joseph overcame and protected Mary. Still he had a difficult (more.
completedtestamentTV 10 months ago
realtionship with Jesus later on. We do not hear about him in the Gospel. Jesus had also a difficult time with his brothers and sisters. Even Mary did not understand him and what his mission was. Please read the book I mentioned. It is very enlighting.
completedtestamentTV 10 months ago
@completedtestamentTV you blocked me you scared mooney follower you. wow now here we are and this is not your channel. i had some questions and arguments relating your unification church. and you didn't answer me, and you blocked me. I called you church a cult. you don't even advertise you're part of a church ahem cult. that is very deceptive. you call yourself Christian? you are part of an anti christian cult. and you don't even have the guts to answer simple arguments and Q's. coward.
bandcreator28 7 months ago
I notice a certain inconsistency in Mormonism. On the one hand, they teach to follow the prophet. On the other hand, they say that Brigham Young was just speculating about Mary having sex with Heavenly Father, Adam is God the Father, Cain was cursed with black skin, and there are some sins that Jesus did not die for that requires the shedding of one's own blood to atone for them. If this is just speculation, why did Brigham Young constantly insist these teachings must be believed?
michael34453 11 months ago
mormons have their heavenly father who was kicked from heaven for playing with fire...lol...end mormonism..brak down their devil worship temples1!!
MsAlicewonderful 1 year ago
one may believe that as a mormon but the mormon faith is what is at stake, and the mormon faith does not believe in the virgin birth, they believe that heavenly father came down and had sweet love with Mary. Now if that were the case then god sinned by committing fornication by having unbridled passion.
I do not believe heavenly father would sin, nor is capable of sinning. So lets just say it was a miracle and forget trying to beet around the bush. ha ha
MrBigbear6718 1 year ago
Wait, are you scolding mormons for rejecting the claim of a supernatural immaculate-virgin-birth in lieu of their belief of a supernatural god-physically-plowed-Mary birth? Shouldn't we be laughing at the insanity of both of those ideas?
soulure 1 year ago
Lovely temple christmas scene. Shame about the false prophet at the gate blocking the view!
LukeAir2008 1 year ago
If you preach to mormons but not muslims you area pussy.
BigBadTestilicus 1 year ago
The reason people emphasize the "virgin" part is because of this ridiculous worth given to virginity. (of course I'm not talking about those virgins who are young teens, obviously they're too young for sex) but to give a supernatural spin on something that was valued so much is just archaic.
roadsideflowers 1 year ago
Mormonism devalues and revalues and redefines every basic tenet of Christianity.It is Polytheistic and Polygamous. There god is one of zillions of gods. He is a god perfected thru works. he is a god born into a universe of pre existing matter. He is polygamous and had sex with Mary. And on it goes.
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
welcome to MORmON doctrine schizonphrenia. Joe Smith went on & on about the virgin birth in the BOM, but then taught the Literal divine siring of Christ by Elohim. But Mary is still a "virgin" because MORMON God actions dont count and /or He is Magic ...Just like Mormon underwear! One minute its utlra sacred, the next it doesnt matter that much, yah right! what ever cop out it takes to get out of it ! Dont trust Mormons !
tonymobius 1 year ago
Great video! Keep them coming...Thanks for letting everyone know the truth!
cayetanohawaii 2 years ago
You are sad.
MANiskThomas 2 years ago
Wow! They can't call themselves Christians without believing in the virgin birth of Jesus, but then again they believe in scriptures outside of the Bible (Book of Mormon). The Bible warns us of false prophets
MarkieWatch100 2 years ago
The Bible warns "us" about false prophets? You are worried about "false prophets" so I am guessing you call yourself a christian, well that is strange considering your behavior on other vids and your VEHEMENT support of the completely UNbiblical practice of homosexuality, and in such an anti-mormon way.
I am thinking that anti-mormonism clouds people's vision to the truth of things.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
This guys lies. We believe in the virgin birth, and this guy has spun statements into his own interpretation. There is no apostle who has ever denied the Bible. That's just a lie, but he does it with a smile?
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
mormonanswerman, poor ad hominem. If his sources are fabricated, refute that, otherwise you sound like a sore loser.
ursowrng 2 years ago
@mormonanswerman
That's funny how EVERYTHING to you is a lie that isn't favorable towards Mormonism.
The fact is what Aaron does say IS true, and you're the liar. Anyone like you who bans people from their channel for disagreeing with you can't present themselves as credible.
cayetanohawaii 2 years ago
What I have said is completely verifiable if you would avail yourself to look into that. I know what our doctrines are, and I believe your vision is clouded by anti-mormonism and the constant barrage of lies. Again,
We believe in the virgin birth, and this guy has spun statements into his own interpretation. There is no apostle who has ever denied the Bible.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
I see I did ban you from telling untruths on my channel. People that say things that are not true, even when they have been pointed out as untrue, are generally called liars. I am sorry to say that this is probably the reason you got a ban.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
@mormonanswerman
Nice, you pretend you don't remember speaking with me. I backed up several things with sources, and you still banned me even though I disrespected you in no way.
You just can't last long when it comes to having an intelligent conversation that may lead to proving Mormonism wrong.
cayetanohawaii 2 years ago
@mormonanswerman
BTW- I do NOT support homosexuality in any way. Where did you get that from?
That shows more about what a liar you are.
cayetanohawaii 2 years ago
that comment was not to you. choose all comments, and you will see the hierarchy
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
Ah, I will disregard the last comment, but it is true that LDS believe that Mary was impregnated by God coming down to earth to have intercourse with her.
Therefore, you can't believe in the virgin birth. No wonder Aaron is smiling because of such a ridiculous concept, and you say he spun it around to seem like something else. Facts are facts, and in them are the truth.
cayetanohawaii 2 years ago
You see, this is WHY you were banned from making these untrue statements on my channel. You hear the truth and you keep saying the lies.
I've read all the quotes from Brigham Young, and it just depends on how you want to SPIN them. Taking someone out of context is pretty easy, but why don't you take it in the context of "we believe the bible" and in the Bible it says that Jesus was born of a virgin, Mary, and that is the doctrine we believe, and yet you guys spin it and basically, lie.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
When Brigham Young says "in the same manner" about Jesus being created, do you doubt that there was a sperm? Do you doubt that there was an egg? Do you doubt that there was an embryo? Do you believe it was magic? Or do you believe that the baby GREW in the womb, and it all happened very naturally?
I do. That makes sense. She also bore the baby in a manger/stable, and I am sure there was blood present in all of that too.
What's the problem with BY's statements then? NONE.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
BY never said they had sex, but there had to be sperm, no? There had to be an egg, for that's how it all works.
Where you guys stretch this and SPIN this is when you IMPLY that BY said that God had sex with Mary, and well, that's just not necessary nor practical considering that He can HEAL people by saying the word. OF COURSE He just said the word, and Mary was impregnated, much like doctors can artificially inseminate, God can certainly turn water into wine, raise the dead, even do this..
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
Maybe you believe what the Bible says, but you don't speak for the general LDS population. It clearly states in your doctrines that LDS believe Mary was impregnated by God through having sex.
As for you banning me, you did so, claiming that it was because I attacked Joseph Smith with documentation I also provided.
cayetanohawaii 2 years ago
You are right, I do NOT speak for the general LDS population, but I do know what they believe and they do NOT believe that God had sex with Mary, nor do they teach this, and I do know what the Sunday School manuals say. They say what the Bible says, and that is that Jesus was born of a virgin.
NOWHERE does this sex idea come out EXCEPT in the anti-mormon circles, for they made it up and try to attribute this to us, laughing while they do so, for it is persecution and lies.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
Of course in Sunday School, you're not going to speak of sex around children, but it's in your doctrines.
cayetanohawaii 2 years ago
You guys see the words "natural action" and immediately dirty minds that you are, you think of sex. I think of procedure, the course of a pregnancy, the natural action of the growth of an embryo in a womb, and coming forth out of a womb in birth.
But you think sex. That is why you are perverted in your thoughts. BY never thought that. You SPUN that idea by interpreting things, very liberally, very cynically.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
you better crack open the JOD big mouth MORmONawswerman !
tonymobius 1 year ago
Darwin says "natural selection" and you know what he means. BY says "natural action" and you think of sex. You say you do, but you know you don't, you are being cynical. Otherwise you would have to say that Darwin too was talking of sex when he uses the term "natural selection" but we know what he means.
Stop the spin.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
@mormonanswerman Grant has 12 kids! but when Brigham Young lays out the sex act in explicit terns to describe the MORmON paternity of Christ, non Members are dirty minded sex thinkers .... for following & understanding the train of thought of pervert Brigham Young. OF course when Grant was banging away on his wife to make all of his babies it was OK Because of the secret MORmON temple handshake!
settypatch 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman; Why do you always attempt to smear a persons charachter when you don't agree with them? it seems a favored mormon method, still deeply wrong.
MarkieWatch100 2 years ago
Not trying to smear you like you have done to me on the other vids, just trying to remind you of your christian roots, hoping you can try and be a nicer person to mormons, that's all. I wish you would BE the christian God wants you to be, that's all.
mormonanswerman 2 years ago
@mormonanswerman you are such a LIAR, Grant
settypatch 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman you are such a LIAR, Grant
settypatch 1 year ago
its the slimy weasel Mormon way, LIE LIE LIE ,then LIE somemore, when that doesnt work Lie somemore & tell people they are ignorant on the matter.
tonymobius 1 year ago
Thanks for getting out there in the cold evening to proclaim biblical truth! Your love for the LDS and especially for God's Word comes across in your face and demeanor. Here's trusting God to keep on using you in a mighty way. Pressing on in Christ . . . Gary P.
ryecroft57 2 years ago
2 Nephi 9: 34
Wo unto the liar, for he shall be thrust down to hell.
imtherealthing 2 years ago
Col.2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
imtherealthing 2 years ago
imtherealthing, Colossians was, in all probability based on neutral historians, not authored by Paul (i.e., it's a forgery), and your comment doesn't actually address his argument, however flawed, which clearly dismantles the LDS position of the virgin birth as it relates to the conventional christian theology.
ursowrng 2 years ago
@ursowrng
I disagree..it was authored by Paul. I know that some argue that it may not have been Paul ( I am a student of Religious Studies). But the point is...Colossians says to watch out for vain philosophies...and we see that is very real with the hellinized early church...and what the councils did with say the trinity...not given by prophets or apostles, but APPOINTED men ..appointed by whom?..a pagan (Constantine)..all those who disagreed..were either killed or exhiled.
imtherealthing 2 years ago
I always find it disappointing when "students of religious studies" (no confirmation bias on your part i am sure) accept the evidence when it suits them, but not when it works in their favor.
ursowrng 2 years ago
HA!, "against" their favor.
ursowrng 2 years ago
@ursowrng
Rrrriiigghhhtt!....please..stop..you are making me laugh..my side hurts.
imtherealthing 2 years ago
Tell me ..why is the doctrine of works and grace not of God as you and your kind teach this doctrine of Martin Luther "Justification by faith" only.
When in FACT for the first 1600 years!!! Christians PRACTICED and BELIEVED in a WORKS and GRACE gospel..in FACT..the Catholics and EASTERN "ORTHODOX" churches still teach this today..it is you evangelicals - the MINORITY who practice this false theology..not to mention that Martin Luther on his death bed confessed he was wrong.
imtherealthing 2 years ago
Tell me t..why is it that one can sin against the FATHER and the SON but not against the HOLY GHOST as we read in the "bible"..if they are of the same essence or substance or MIND as trinitarians say ..why is it that you are not sinning against the HOLY GHOST when you sin against the Father and Son..if they are the same ESSENCE or SUBSTANCE or MIND?
imtherealthing 2 years ago
2 Nephi 33:6
I glory in plainness; I glory in truth; I glory in my Jesus, for he hath redeemed my soul from hell.
imtherealthing 2 years ago
I worship pagan grove trees on the wrong day while ranting about a mistranslation
Mesarphelous 2 years ago
Mormons believe that Christ was born of the Virgin Mary. In the Book of Mormon (see 1 Nephi Ch.11 Ver.18-21) we read that Jesus was indeed born of a virgin. Mormon doctrine makes no attempt to explain "how" the conception took place... and guess what, it honestly doesn' t matter "how!" There are some things that we just won't know the answer to at this time. Christ said to follow him and be baptized- he never said spend all your days finding out and arguing over how I was conceived!
andydude44 2 years ago
@andydude44
And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass,And it came to pass.......THAT I JOseph SMITH will lie and deceit.
YAAUFA 2 years ago
"And Christ was born into the world as a literal Son this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father. He was...born in the normal and natural course of events (Mormon Doctrine, p. 742).
"The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood, was begotten of his Father, as we were of our father" (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 8, p. 115).
llegalPlayer 2 years ago
It appears aaronshaf2006 doesn't like my comments as I have been blocked. I can only assume he knows I am right and that me correcting misleading and incorrect statements foils his plans.
I can only assume this temp user account will be blocked as well...
andydude44again 2 years ago
This is the laziness excuse that mankind has rejected for thousands of years. "Are the wandering lights in the sky gods looking down at us?", thanks to Galileo we know they are planets. "When we are sick is it an evil spirit inhabiting us?" Thanks to medical scientists we have the germ theory to explain it. To not question and not seek to understand is just lazy. To let someone else do the thinking for you is foolish.
ursowrng 2 years ago
Have you asked wether this subject is actual doctrine, or opinion?
myway43 2 years ago
Aaron, do you know that Santa Claus' world wide Christmas rounds; go back to the early Christian doctrine; & early Christian apologists responses? Responding to early anti-Christians' charges of Christ neglecting other nations? Answering them by writing that Christ did go to other nations around the world? That's what at the root of earlier Christmas time. Merry Christmas!
You Tube: Christ As Cosmic Cruiser
RESTOREDAPOLOGETICS 2 years ago
Arron, don't you know that in Jewish thought, a women wedded to her husband, even after having kids, can still be a virgin, so long as she is faithful to her husband?
RESTOREDAPOLOGETICS 2 years ago
btw, its cute how you'd make up an on-the-spot interview off the top of your head - you do realize that no Mormons believe what you speak of, correct?
Sepheria 2 years ago
Check out the "Mormon Coffee" and "Mormon Matters" blog posts where various Mormons defend the notion of God having sex with Mary. They were posted with a week or so of this video being posted.
Also, I have Mormon friends who believe God had sex with Mary, so believing your statement "no Mormons believe what you speak of" would require me pretending that they haven't told me what they've told me.
aaronshaf2006 2 years ago
@aaronshaf2006 your mormon "friends" obviously don't understand what a "virgin" is and they don't believe the Bible then, and I would venture to say that if they are also drinking coffee, well then, that about sums it up. Mormons posting on a "momron coffee" blog. That about sums it up.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@aaronshaf2006 Even if they did, would that make Mormorism wrong or a couple of Mormons wrong?
It's like saying all mainstream Christians act like the Westboro Baptist Church.
thatjimguy 1 year ago
Wow you were severely misguided. Holy crap, this is sad that you'd actually believe this slander.
Merry Christmas, from a Mormon who values the VIRGIN BIRTH of or Lord Jesus.
Sepheria 2 years ago
Hence you are willing to renounce what Young/Pratt/Talmage/McConkie said when they denied the virgin birth? Or will you, as the video said, practice historical revisionism or give them a free pass, showing that you really don't value the virgin birth that much?
aaronshaf2006 2 years ago
@aaronshaf2006 why don't you show us, show ANYone where these four apostles have EVER denied the virgin birth! That is such a lie and you continue to do it, lie. There is no way that the apostles deny the Bible or the verse that says that Mary was born of a virgin. I would very much like you to back up your statements, but I know you can't, because they did not say that. Jesus was born of a virgin, that's what we believe, that's what the Bible teaches as well. It's clear.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
Excellent video! Keep up the great work of reaching people for Christ!
sldeyo 2 years ago
I wonder why you use logic and evidence to attempt to discredit LDS beliefs but do not apply them to your own faith?
ursowrng 2 years ago
Who says I'm not? Are you irrationally assuming from the getgo that all claims of supernaturalism are false?
aaronshaf2006 2 years ago
I make the statement because your beliefs are just as incredulous and lacking in evidence as those of the LDS faith, and yet you still believe them. To me, watching you argue with the LDS apologist is like watching two Harry Potter enthusiasts argue over which dumbledore actor is better. Which do you prefer, Richard Harris or Michael Gambon?
ursowrng 2 years ago
If you want to get specific it'd be more helpful. So far it just seems like the irrational atheist presupposition that all supernaturalism is false.
aaronshaf2006 2 years ago
Certainly, other than your declaration, provide a falsifiable thesis, or rational evidence for the suspension of the natural order of procreation which would support your belief, but would also preclude you from believing any other virgin birth myth shared by past and present theologies.
ursowrng 2 years ago
Check out the book, "I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be An Atheist"
aaronshaf2006 2 years ago
That's not an answer to the question. In fact, the logic and rationality you use to 'bash' LDS believers, utterly deconstructs your own faith, and your inability to defend it merely emphasizes it.
ursowrng 2 years ago
Saying it doesn't make it so. It so far just sounds like you're presuppositionally anti anything supernatural.
aaronshaf2006 2 years ago
How does you not answering the question make a statement about my position? Look, you seem like a genuine guy, and I whole heartily support your use of reason to deconstruct unsupportable LDS claims, and I think you would be intellectually honest by applying that same logic to your own beliefs. So I'll lay down the opportunity for you to again answer my previous question. The more you avoid it, the less believable you sound.
ursowrng 2 years ago
To make your question clear you need to expose your hidden premises, i.e. whether you think "logic" automatically precludes all supernatural claims from the start.
aaronshaf2006 2 years ago
You can answer the question in whatever line of reasoning you see fit, and if you apply the same standards of evidence you assuage against LDS beliefs, I'm not sure how you will succeed, but let's debate that after you answer the question.
PS How often do you make it out to Temple Square?
ursowrng 2 years ago
I'm not using the standard of anti-supernaturalism against Mormonism, hence that same standard need not be used against my own beliefs in order for me to be consistent. The complaint that I'm not using strict irrational philosophical anti-supernaturalism against Christianity assumes that I'm using that against Mormonism.
I haven't made it out much this December but otherwise it's once a week.
aaronshaf2006 2 years ago
This is the fifth opportunity to answer the question. I'm not excluding supernatural or metaphysical responses as possible explanations to consider, in fact, if you re-read the challenge, it is implicitly implied that you do address it. Don't skip your response and assume mine, there's no civility in that.
ursowrng 2 years ago
You're assuming as a premise that I don't apply the same standards to my own beliefs as I do to others. Not agreeing with your premise makes me unlikely to support your conclusion. Also, you haven't specified what kind of standard you're thinking of.
aaronshaf2006 2 years ago
It's still a dodge to the question, and it just looks like you're afraid to answer it. Let's backtrack and see if we can get to the point where you are willing to answer it. Do you use reason or logic in analyzing LDS claims about the virgin, or not so virgin, birth as compared to your own belief?
ursowrng 2 years ago
Yes. But I don't define "logic and reason" as excluding all supernaturalism
aaronshaf2006 2 years ago
I'm still waiting for the response to why you do not accept other religious claims of parthenogenesis if you accept the christian virgin birth. Let's complete the circle of your argument and find out if you can be intellectually honest.
ursowrng 2 years ago
Couldn't have said it any better. Its cute how bashers get cornered and merely spew out more lies as well.
Sepheria 2 years ago
@ursowrng no its not that simple. It is not a matter of opinions or a pissing contest. One of them is telling the truth and the other is NOT telling the truth. I know that Aaron is not telling the truth on this one.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman That certainly is a misuse of the word "knowledge" we can apply that word to facts, such as gravity, thermodynamics, evolution, etc.. You shouldn't be using that word for your beliefs, especially when you have no evidence to support even a reason to consider your beliefs.
ursowrng 1 year ago
@ursowrng How is gravity a "fact" when Jesus walked on water defying that, and also ascended in to heaven, once again defying that?
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman When you are able to disprove gravity, I'll reconsider believing the biblical account of Jesus walking on water. Out of curiosity, do you believe everything in the bible as inerrant fact?
ursowrng 1 year ago
@ursowrng I have seen, witnessed, and been a part of many different miracles throughout my life. This is why I DO believe in the miracles in the Old Testament, the New Testament, etc., because I have personally seen and been involved in many. I am a believer in those things that I have not seen, because I have seen what is possible in my own life. Never saw walking on water or flying, etc., but I have seen miraculous and instant healing, many times. Have received revelations too.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman Have you witnessed a "miracle" where there was an explanation that science could not explain? For instance, people get better from being sick all the time when no prayer or blessings are administered, but I have yet to see an amputee grow an arm back no matter how hard they pray. When the most probable explanation can be believed, why do you instead choose the impossible?
ursowrng 1 year ago
I think a miracle is a miracle, no matter how small.
I too have never seen physical deformities healed, but I do believe that it is possible and the Lord could do it, and one with sufficient faith could do it. What is harder, bringing someone back from the DEAD, or healing a physical deformity? Maybe people have seen the power of the Priesthood bring people back from the dead, or prevent certain death as a result of an accident, for instance.
What's harder. Walk on water, or heal? no answer
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman So what's the difference between your belief that a being without any physical evidence has not healed an amputee and a fairy who has not healed an amputee? And what's more PROBABLE, that the 1800 year old record of the resurrection is factual or a myth, except in my example, I am referencing apollonuis of tyanna's resurrection.
ursowrng 1 year ago
Here's how it works for people that think like you do, and its not my choice, and I am not being vindictive, but God will NOT do a miracle for an unbeliever, a doubter, and here is the biblical reference for that:
Matt. 16:1 The Pharisees...desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.
2 [Jesus] answered...them
4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and THERE SHALL BE NO SIGN GIVEN unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman I don't need a miracle, I need evidence. You can quote any magical book you wish (even when you clearly do not even understand the book you are reading). Just showing up would be one way. You haven't answered any of my questions, you just continue on ranting like a fanatic. Just try applying your logic about rejecting Islam or Catholicism to Mormonism. Just let that idea detonate inside your mind if you can grasp it.
ursowrng 1 year ago
@ ursowrng
Have you been asking questions? You mean like the one asking if I read Alice in Wonderland, those kind of questions? Those are not questions, they are insults, and why would you expect an answer to those kind of insults? I am politely ignoring your disrespect and staying on topic, because you are trying to make this a personal attack, you are trying to understand me, but you can't, so you resort to Alice and Wonderland stories. I know what you're doing, but trying to ignore that.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman That's not an answer to the question. Let's try it again, and I'll use small words so as not to confuse you. Why do you use reason and logic to argue against the belief of others, but will not apply it to your own faith? When you realize that, you will realize why I reject your beliefs.
ursowrng 1 year ago
@ursowrng
I think if it has come down to that, personal insults, I guess we are done. I always give people a chance to at least hear my views, but when it dribbles down to an insultfest, I think we are done. I gave it my best.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman Once again, belief in the unprovable fails under the most basic level of honest scrutiny. I was once as you are, but it took real humility to admit my errors and correct my views. Give integrity of thought a try, you might find out why it excels in every aspect of understanding.
ursowrng 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman Hey, I got something for you. Read J&D Vol XIII, pg 271. It talks about the LDS teaching regarding the sun being inhabited. This is in your doctrine. With that being the case, I don't doubt Joseph Smith taught about the moon being inhabited by Quakers. Good thing I came across it. I would have posted it on your channel, had you not blocked me last year...
cayetanohawaii 1 year ago
Yes, I have witnessed a miracle that science could not explain. When healing takes place instantly, and in the same moment as the words are pronounced in a blessing, there is no way that science can explain that.
As a child I recall shaking wildly with a fever at 8 yrs old. The Bishop and my father lay their hands on my head and pronounce the blessing of healing, and instantly I was calmed, tired, and went to sleep.
The same thing happened for me as a Father to my daughter 25 years later.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman Actually, science has a lot to say about that, your misunderstanding or ignorance of science is the most probable explanation.
ursowrng 1 year ago
Oh yeah? So science has an explanation for healing, and I am ignorant of it? There is no explanation of it or you would have shared it already.
What I know about it, is that it is an experiment that can ONLY be repeated on principles of FAITH, and a scientist is not approaching it in that manner. They will say words. but words alone without faith are going to be a fail. How do YOU science FAITH? Who is being ignorant on this one?
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
Last I checked, people's bodies heal themselves without any medical or spiritual intervention. I just recovered from a viral infection, more commonly known as a "cold" without uttering a single prayer. Additionally, the placebo effect has been thoroughly vetted. So of the three possibilities (and that's using the word "possibility" liberally, since by definition a miracle is something that is impossible) which is more likely?
ursowrng 1 year ago
I think you refuse to see. Korihor made such a choice.
The miracles I wrote about were not explained by immune system or placebo. All the calming in the world, all the motherly love and tenderness would not calm or comfort our daughter who was screaming in pain, hysterically, and even when my hands laid on her head to bless her, the screams continued. She said "No!, no!" but after I closed the blessing she immediately stopped, looked up at me, closed her eyes, and went to sleep for 5 hours.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman the forthcoming sarcasm is intentional, your position is delusional. How do you know Zeus didn't answer your prayer, or a UFO alien? Why do you attribute what you do not know or understand to your CLEARLY PROGRAMMED belief in an anthropomorphic non-visable super being? If you don't know, JUST SAY "I DON'T KNOW", don't pretend to know and think people will take you seriously. We don't, we think you are delusional.
ursowrng 1 year ago
@ursowrng Korihor spoke like you do now. He attributed experiences he NEVER HAD to delusion, frenzied mind, etc., he insulted others who had experiences he never had, and tried to make it look like insanity:
Alma 30:16 Ye look forward and say that ye see a remission of your sins. But behold, it is the effect of a frenzied mind; and this derangement of your minds comes because of the traditions of your fathers, which lead you away into a belief of things which are not so.
JUST what you said
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman I've already refuted this argument. your idea of truth is not falsifiable. It's like saying if I pray and nothing happens, then nothing was supposed to happen, but If I pray and something happens, THAT was supposed to happen. Either way, it can't be proven true or false. Why not be intellectually honest and take a position that can be tested, and if you're wrong, just admit it.
ursowrng 1 year ago
@ursowrng This applies here...
Alma 30:44 Thou hast had signs enough; will ye tempt your God? Will ye say, Show unto me a sign, when ye have the testimony of all these thy brethren, and also all the holy prophets? The scriptures are laid before thee, yea, and all things denote there is a God; yea, even the earth, and all things that are upon the face of it, yea, and its motion, yea, and also all the planets which move in their regular form do witness that there is a Supreme Creator.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman
Hey Grant, you should watch last week's Heart of the Matter. Towards the end of the show, Shawn McCraney said your name out of the long list of who he would love to have as a guest on his show. Since you have so much to say, why don't you be a guest Shawn's show a go a few rounds with him? I take it that you know how to get in touch with the show.
cayetanohawaii 1 year ago
There is a power in the Priesthood, the power of God. He can do miracles. When His disciples tried to do miracles they said to Him "Why could not we cast him out?
Matt17 20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. 21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
UNBELIEF.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman 1) This prediction has never come to fruition, just like all the rest and 2) Matthew (according to nearly all serious scholars) was written 40-50 years after the death of jesus, and it wasn't written by matthew. However, even if it was, why should I believe it? Do you take homeopathic medicine just because the instructions say it will cure you? Do you read alice in wonderland and think rabbits can talk? Come on, get back in touch with reality, take the pancake sign off.
ursowrng 1 year ago
@ursowrng So, you're a non-believer, why are you talking with me then? Are you trying to convert me, or are you trying to convince yourself that there is nothing to it?
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
Now consider that you apply this logic to absolutely everything else in your life EXCEPT your belief (that is, unless you believe in every single dreamed up god, fairy, UFO, etc...) Your arguments are not new, they are not convincing, and they have been eviscerated by the example of your own life.
ursowrng 1 year ago
I think the Lord reserved the "super-natural" miracles, such as great floods, fire from heaven, weather, and angels, etc. for final moments, when all efforts by God to win His people over through FAITH have been exhausted. Once the great miracles start happening, it will be TOO LATE. That will be the very end. People will say to the mountains and rocks:
Rev. 6:16 ...Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
@mormonanswerman so you're looking forward to some type of world wide catastrophe where millions die as a good thing?
ursowrng 1 year ago
Of course I look forward to the coming of Christ. I would that all people would repent, especially non-believers such as yourself, and you will avoid a painful and embarrassing moment when the burning comes and people are punished by being sent to a hell to think about their disobedience to Heavenly Father. He's Father. Do you think that being disrespectful to your Father is OK, or does not deserve any consequence? I look at kids who take this stance with parents and think them whiners.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
we are of god, made of god, therefore should have similar aspects to and of god. hence, a regular birth, it's teaching us that we can be like him because we are of him. ps. christ was not born in wintertime sir. read the informative part of the bible where it says that the sheep were out in the field at night when he was born...no shepherds work outside in dead winter. a truly christian way to celebrate christmas would be to not celebrate christmas as we know it.
fizzgag 2 years ago
Since the Bible does not tell us when Jesus was born, why is christmas not as good as any other day? Yes we know it was not December 25th but its still Christmas. Actually we celebrate it every single day, and we are so thankfull! God gave us the Lamb of God, God in man form.
Thank you God!!
Exodus314IAM 2 years ago
either way you have replied, but not answered, my question.
thatjimguy 2 years ago
@thatjimguy Your question assumes God has not sufficiently revealed himself in a way that would make idolaters morally responsible for their idolatry.
aaronshaf2006 2 years ago
And he hasn't...on purpose. If you absolutely knew he was there, would you sin ever? Really? REALLY? It's like a cop over your shoulder as you decide whether to put money in the meter. With free will, there is no true test of righteousness.
Anyway, you miss the point of my question. You say Jesus is God, LDS say he is the literal Son of God. What difference does that really make how we treat each other? Why would he care so much about our "theories" about his makeup?
thatjimguy 2 years ago
I reject your premise, hence my rejection of your consequential question. Also, you're conflating sufficient revelation that yield moral culpability with comprehensive and overwhelming revelation. In other words, just because God reveals himself in a way that makes you morally accountable doesn't mean he has done so to the fullest extent possible.
When Jesus said, "unless you believe that I am", he wasn't including those who believe Jesus is the Flying Spaghetti Monstler, as you would imply.
aaronshaf2006 2 years ago
So you are saying you have absolute knowledge? How did you get that?
thatjimguy 2 years ago
@thatjimguy Also see John 15, where Jesus say you cannot bear fruit apart from him. What you believe about Jesus and how you believe in him, according to the Bible, has an enormous impact on whether you can bear fruit that is pleasing to him. Also consider the obedience of the Judaizers in the Epistle to the Galatians. Paul condemned the gospel of the Judaizers as damnable heresy, even though they did good works. No offense, but you seem to disagree with Paul. Take care!
aaronshaf2006 2 years ago
How do I disagree with Paul? I never mentioned Paul.
So are you saying that without absolute belief, you are going to hell or something?
thatjimguy 2 years ago
Keep up the good work for God's glory Aaron. Love to you and Stacia and the kids from the CoG prayer team. Merry Christmas brother. <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
anneeMchughes 2 years ago
Everything is speculation. Like anyone knows for absolute sure who did what or where. How would you know? You've been taught to know. Hows does sexual relations or virgin birth change how we treat each other? Would Jesus care? Would he say we have more pressing issue to worry about other than how he came to be?
thatjimguy 2 years ago
@thatjimguy You said, "Everything is speculation" --- Does that include the statement, "Everything is speculation"?
aaronshaf2006 2 years ago
Arron, I don't think I get that.
thatjimguy 2 years ago
@thatjimguy Are you absolutely sure that everything is speculation or are you speculating about speculation? I'm trying to show you the self-defeating nature of the statement, "Everything is speculation"
aaronshaf2006 2 years ago
LOL! Yeah, that is cute. OK fine. I am just saying that no one knows for sure what will happen after we die. No one knows for sure what the makeup of God is. Not you, not me, not LDS, no one.
We do have faith in things that we wish are true, but unseen. But that's about it.
So why would any God, worthy of the title, blast someone for another viewpoint on how God came to be / What God is like / How we relate to him?
thatjimguy 2 years ago
@thatjimguy Are you sure that *no one* knows? Wouldn't you have to be omniscient to know that no one knows?
God only judges people by the light that has been given them. Take care!
aaronshaf2006 2 years ago
Again, I have to smile at how cute that response is. Yes, I don't know that everyone doesn't know. I don't know if you know or not. But I can bet not.
Which comes down to you convincing me of what someone else told you which, in turn, was probably told to him by someone else. But did any of them know?
But again the REAL question I have for you to ponder is this...
Why would any God, worthy of the title, blast someone for another view on how God came to be, is like, and how we relate to him?
thatjimguy 2 years ago
@thatjimguy, it's definitely about logic here, not cuteness.
The real more foundation question is whether God has revealed himself to people in a way that makes them morally accountable for what they have been shown. You have a wealth of revelatory resources available to you.
aaronshaf2006 2 years ago
Didn't Bruce McConkie write the book Mormon Doctrine? In that book it says that Jesus was conceived by a physical relationship between Mary and God the Father, who has a body of flesh and blood. If the current church leaders accept this book then I would assume they accept that believe also.
iheartfreedom2 2 years ago
Modern Mormonism has a love/hate relationship with that book. One reason it is often hated is that is bluntly expresses unrepudiated parts of Mormon traditionalism that Mormon leaders wish would quietly go away or at least quietly survive in the more private beliefs of its members.
aaronshaf2006 2 years ago
Aaron. Why are you so hung up on points of doctrine. It sounds to me like you have fallen into the trap of looking beyond the mark. Jesus' basic doctrine was to be kind to each other. That's all he was talking about. You are a Christian if you are kind to people. Mormons are Christians if they are kind to people. End of story. I think you would do a better job if you went and did some work down a soup kitchen instead. Saying that, I do like your questions.
TheBrotherofGerard 2 years ago
That's an oximormonic statement.
Many groups and religions promote kindness to others. Does this make them Christian? NOPE.... Your "own" goodness will never make you Christian.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
so what happens to those who don't hear about christ
TheBrotherofGerard 2 years ago
@awol. The idea of Christ has been carried to us by corrupt organisations throughout history. I do believe in Christ but I don't think my belief is necessarily more valid that a Muslim, even though they say Christ was just a prophet. I believe that Kindness does come from God. This is distributed by teachers of righteousness. As soon as we start going down the road of splitting hairs of doctrine about Mary's conception we are missing the point.
TheBrotherofGerard 2 years ago
splitting hairs? Hairs should be split. I know what the Jesus of Mormonism is all about. He is not the almighty God.
He's a spirit brother and should never be worshipped.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
@awolLDSasap OK, please yourself. I just think it's a waste of time. Better to be helping people.
TheBrotherofGerard 2 years ago
I have a suggestion. You be the first one to start "quietly" saying, "praise the Lord" in church. I know this is not offensive in the lds church. It might catch on. People will start examining the true identity of Jesus instead of praising Joseph Smith.
awolLDSasap 2 years ago
@awolLDSasap that would require me attending the lds church which i find too dull these days. I agree with you on the lack of mentioning jesus in the lds church
TheBrotherofGerard 2 years ago
@TheBrotherofGerard, have you read the four gospels where Jesus says things like, "unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins" (John 8:24) ?
aaronshaf2006 2 years ago
I believe that believing in christ constitutes being kind to others
TheBrotherofGerard 2 years ago
The apostle Paul among others distinguishes between faith and works in the gospel of Romans, Ephesians, Galatians. I would check them out.
aaronshaf2006 2 years ago
@aaronshaf2006 i probably won't as i have read it all man times. I prefer the "Christian" way of looking at things. The grace way if you will, but i can see where the mormons are coming from. It's all good to me as long as it encourages people to do good
TheBrotherofGerard 2 years ago
Matthew seven 21 and Matthew twenty two 37-39 sums it up for me. You look like that kind of person anyway to me so you probably have nothing to worry about. ( not that I'm judging). I just think that you are arguing with people when you are all christians. That doesn't make sense to me.
TheBrotherofGerard 2 years ago
Amen, Aaron! Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this! :-)
drewroe882 2 years ago
Yay Christmas!
praestant8 2 years ago
A doctrine which cannot be spoken of in pubic is untrustworthy at best, blasphemy at worst.
carlasue88 2 years ago 5
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Please show some of these "good" evidences for god.
If there were any that could stand up to the scientific methods, you would have a worldwide revolution on your hands. But of course, you will find no such thing. You have no such evidence in the same way there is a lack of evidence for any other gods - and thus you lend yourself no more credibility than the mormon who claims his beliefs are the "right" ones.
SlyphRoph 2 years ago
How about looking them up by doing an internet search or better get some books--Reasonable Faith by William Lane Craig or J. P. Moreland's Scaling the Secular City? There's scientific evidence for God (Big Bang, 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, Intelligent Design) as well as historical (prophecy and miracles testified in Jesus of Nazareth) and philosophical evidence (cosmological, design, ontological, moral, free will/responsibility) arguments, as well as the "evidence" of personal experience.
MormonInfoDotOrg 2 years ago
Check out the table of contents of "I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be An Atheist". Also see William Lane Craig's "Defenders Podcast" for a list of basic reasons to believe in God
aaronshaf2006 2 years ago
Good video!
jal84084 2 years ago
Don't forget that according to these LDS leaders, God the Father got it on with His own spirit child!
MormonInfoDotOrg 2 years ago 3
@MormonInfoDotOrg No, you have that wrong. You are speculating, spinning. What I find strange also is that you project your own opinions on events of the past, like how do you feel about great prophets practicing polygamy? Of course, you think that God was not involved in it. How do you feel about Adam and Eve's children having sex and making families? Do you project your own idea of incest on that, and think it wrong? If they didn't, you would NOT be here. Stop judging wrongfully.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago
AMEN! Thank You Brother For Standing For Truth In Love!
MORONIANGELOFLIGHT 2 years ago 4
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2 wrongs do not make a right. 2 delusions do not get you closer to the truth.
SlyphRoph 2 years ago
Atheism is an irrational denial of reality. See the book, "I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be An Atheist"
aaronshaf2006 2 years ago
The 2 wrongs are Mormonism and what most LDS go into after they are burned by it--atheism. These LDS throw the baby out with the bathwater when they go into such negativism. There are so many good evidences for God, yet atheists are typically as closed-minded as Mormons are.
MormonInfoDotOrg 2 years ago
@MormonInfoDotOrg The reason so many become atheists, is because they know they had the TRUTH but they got offended, did great sins, or became cynical. They can't fool themselves unless they listen to Shawn McCraney.
mormonanswerman 1 year ago