Oberhasli goat kidding-- assisted-- large buckling

[KKKrispyKreme]

Oh wow, poor mama. thats quite a kid to pass for her size. but she did a right good job at it

[jetootj]

@pammyjeanb - FYI-this doe was purchased from a dairy; the breeder did not know she had accidentally been bred by a boer. Luckily all worked out well. You are right, breeders should never purposefully breed a smaller doe to a bigger breed buck :)

[MyPrince47]

my goat is exactly like this only u cant see anything and idk if its too big for her or what but myne is a pygmy and a boer im sleeping with her tonight incase but idk the vets aint in or anything

[jetootj]

@MyPrince47 -- THe doe is a pygmy and buck is a boer? If that is what it is, I hope she's okay. Don't know if a pygmy could kid a boer cross baby. Let me know how it goes!

[MyPrince47]

@jetootj yeah she is a pygmy kidding a boer she going to vet at 8 in morning so hope al goes well and ill surly let you know how it goes ...... how many and types of animals u got ? sorry im curious lol

[MyPrince47]

@MyPrince47 letting ya know my goat has to have a c section the babies died and are rottening and i didnt know she might make it might not my vets are goin to try and save her if they dont then i at least know they tried im ballin and i cant stop ive raised her from birth but my daddy deliverd her ... so today was going to be a good day now not soo good ugh i always find them like that but sorry to be a sob story i cant help it i g2g message me later bye

[jetootj]

So sorry to hear that. I hope your doe makes it. Glad you got her to the vet. We have 14 goats right now with 2 goats pregnant and I think one will kid tomorrow or the next day. We had a pygmy doe that had one large buckling that didn't make it a couple weeks ago and so I know how sad it can be- the doe did fine after that. I just hope your doe is doing okay. Keep me posted.

[jetootj]

@MyPrince47 (uploader) So sorry to hear that. I hope your doe makes it. Glad you got her to the vet. We have 14 goats right now with 2 goats pregnant and I think one will kid tomorrow or the next day. We had a pygmy doe that had one large buckling that didn't make it a couple weeks ago and so I know how sad it can be- the doe did fine after that. I just hope your doe is doing okay. Keep me posted. 2 days ago

[gokory]

did she get into the boers pen or other way around or what?

[jetootj]

I think the boer broke into the does pen. She was purchased and the breeding happened before she was purchased.

[riaketty]

Very good assistance! And jeesh, he really was a big boy!

[NatureLover987]

Congradulations on your new kids! It was a great thing you were there to help... I live on a goat farm and I know what its like when you have to help the doe. Unfortunalty, last year, the same thing (accidental breeding, small nanny, big kids) occured to me and I wasn't there to help. Both the nanny, and her three big beautiful kids died. :'(

[jetootj]

So sorry to hear about your kids and doe. I try to plan to be around when they kid, but that doesn't always work out. I was glad to be there when those kids were born, it sure was scary trying to get the buckling out. The next kidding we had was triplets and the first one's head was back over his shoulders and I pulled him. Thought he was a goner, but he was just fine and the next two kids were fine as well. His name was "Fortunate" and we call him Nate.

[jszurak]

Thank for sharing, what a beautiful piece of wonder!

[jetootj]

Thanks for the nice comment!

[jumping248]

It looks so weird seeing such a nice, big boer kid come out of such a small little Oberhasli doe!

Thanks for sharing!

[jetootj]

Yeah! I was sweating it when I saw the huge hooves, and so glad he came out fine. Now he is about 40 lbs already at about 8 weeks!!! This doe supposedly had twin boer cross kids on her first kidding, and she was purchased as a milk doe, unknown that she was bred. So when we found out she was obviously pregnant, we suspected a boer father, but were hoping it was an oberhasli, because where she came from had both boers and obers.

[TheGeekyNinjaStudios]

Is the kid a boer/Oberhasli? Boers can be huge, so no wonder he's big! He's beautiful. Hope he's doing well..

[jetootj]

Yes, the buckling's dad was a full boer. It was an accidental breeding with the doe, an Oberhasli (and a smaller one at that). Boris is a super cool looking goatling. He has some interesting markings. At 3 weeks old he was 25 lbs! Thanks for the comments!

[wjarvist]

That buckling was HUGE!!! Very fat!

[rancher21]

Please look at the following youtube video and tell me what you think.

Miracle of Birth: YouTube the Goat

[jetootj]

That was a nicely done video. They ended up intervening in that birth more than we did with our large buckling. Nice kids! I have only ever had to assist with "pulling" the legs with only two kids so far. Usually it goes smoothly without any interventions. The other baby I had to assist was an extremely large singlet pygmy goat. I agree with you it is certainly better not to interfere with nature, but it's nice to know what to do if there are problems.

[rancher21]

Had I told you "a great job" It might have made you happy. But trust me I would not be doing you or your goats any favour.I help animals and their owners.despite all said and done I will be more than happy to give you information.

[jetootj]

Thanks, I would love for you to tell me what type of goat farming you do. You sound like you have a wealth of experience. Any hints are appreciated. I have some more goats due to kid in the spring!

[rancher21]

And why would you give an injection of antibiotics when she is going to give milk to her kids.You need to disinfect her utres with after birth pills.Antibiotic is only used when there is a visible signs of infection. Your last resort.Cure to everything is not antibiotic.If you pull that baby out and the mother is not ready for it it is premature birth .150 is a figure.Not hours minutes count.We live and learn.I hope you have learnt something.One day you will thank me.

[jetootj]

Here in the US we give injectable antibiotics after entering the uterus. The antibiotic I gave is safe for the babies to ingest (excenel). The uterine boluses that you are calling afterbirth pills are also antibiotics. Thanks for your concern. Animal husbandry practices vary greatly in different locales and farms. There are lots of "right ways".  This was a happy outcome with healthy mother and babies. It was a needed intervention for us, and worked out well in the end.

[rancher21]

I feel sorry for you and your goats .Not very often do I give advise with out getting paid for it.I just hope my comments are a wake up call for you to change your methods and if you can not handle this you might as well take the video off line.Half the calls I get are from hobby farmers who panic.Let nature do its job .she needs up to 4 hours.The cervex needs to open. Do not be a mother goose just reconsider and learn when to take action.learn what to do.Only when you need to.

[jetootj]

Thanks for your concern. The goat was in labor for more than 4 hours. The baby was not premature. The cervix was fully dilated. I am well aware when to intervene. This was just a gentle help with straightening out the legs and making sure the head was positioned. It was a very huge baby for the mother's size. The breeding was accidental and unexpected. I thank you for your expertise, however, you are only seeing the last 7 minutes of a very long difficult birth that ended well.

[jetootj]

Continued response to rancher21: She had no problems with the second kid, but if I was not there, the first buckling likely would have not made it, etc. etc. But thanks for your input, I understand the video clip did not really show the whole picture. It did also look like I was pulling quite hard, but really was just very gently helping. She needed it... Mother and babies are doing great!

[rancher21]

I know people do not like to be given advise.You may be lucky this time but what you did was very dangerous.kidding her prematurely. mistakes

1Doe not restrained

2No soap or lubrication or washing

3Your clothing and gloves not for this job

4High chance of Ringwomb (cervex not open)

5Myspamol oxytocen relax or even warm water & massage induce labour

6disenffecting pills to be placed after birth

7Rough pulling often cause vaginal prolapse and internal bleeding and lots more complications

[jetootj]

Thanks for the input. THe video started after doe pushing for a long time. Was fully dilated, with nice bags of water presented prior. I was NOT pulling, just kept gentle tension on the legs while she pushed. Those were surgical gloves (nitrile). She was adequately restrained in a small stall and was washed etc. She was not in premature labor. Day 150. She was given an injection of antibiotics afterward. This buckling was just very large for the size of the doe. Continued...

[Koylar]

I could not agree more.....

[jetootj]

You'll do great, just watch and help if it is taking too long and your doe seems to be in extra distress!

[TwillightSkyGoats]

my girls are due in a few days, itll be my first kidding...i hope it goes okay

[jetootj]

Watch this in high quality!!!