Pancho Villa was champion in the age where there were only ONE belt for each weight class. EVERYONE knew who he was because of this. he was also tight with jack demspey and mickey walker. He lived and reigned in the Golden age of boxing. random fact he was one of roberto durans childhood heroes. Total fights 104 Wins 92 Wins by KO 24 Losses 8 Draws 4 and he did this all when he was only 23. This guy is an epic G. Sadly, only the great die young...
My only TOP 4: 1)PACQUIAO for being 8 Div. World Champ; Best Boxer of the Decade; n Greatest Asian Boxer of All Time; 2) PANCHO VILLA for being the 2nd Greatest Asian Boxer of All Time; Rank 59 by Ring Magazine as Worlds Greatest Boxers in the last 80 Yrs.3) FLASH ELORDE being Rank 79 by Ring Magazine as World's Greatest Boxers in the last 80 Yrs; longest World Jr. LW Div. Champ in Boxing history for 7 1/2 yrs. & defended it 9x. 3) DONAIRE for being 3 Div. World Champ.
I think you forgot 122lbs Pacquiao destroyed the supposedly south african superstar in the making but Pacquiao took his WBA belt in his nose, his name Ledwaba remember?
@RainheartIsobel Actually it was the IBF belt. Not sure which context we are speaking, but if I didn't mention that belt it was probably because I was recounting the LINEAR or original 8 weight class titles Pacquiao has won. 122 is not one of the original 8 nor was that title the linear one in that division. It's been a long time since I watched this video.
@boxinginfo yeah its IBF my bad, i watch the BIOGRAPHY of Pacquiao his story is so inspiring, i don't know if you see it but its simply amazing how he achieve of what he achieved.
@boxinginfo who are you? are you a filipino? how could you rate our filipino boxing heroes while you dont have a heart of being a filipino? in your conclusions about how great they are? your explanations seems to me a meer shallow barometers,, what formula do you follow to conclude who are our best boxers ever? what are the bases for being on your top 5 great boxers ever? do you know how much Elorde and Pacquioa means to promote on where our boxing status in the world today?
Man, hat off to you. You really know boxing history. I have witnessed the 70's up to the present and I did not know I would still learn things from you even when it was about Filipino boxers. Thanks.
Lovely stuff, mate. Would agree that Pacquiao has done enough to secure top spot now (and that goes for the whole of Asia). I'd have a top five of Pacquiao, with Villa and Elorde tied for second / third place (can't split them!), with fourth spot going to Garcia and fifth place to Espinosa. Near misses would be Dado, Donaire and Navarette. Might seem a bit generous to tie Elorde with Villa, but Elorde did a wonderful job of reviving the 130 lb divisions and held his own with Saddler, no less.
I agree that Villa was the greatest of all time, but come on Ryoy Jones Jr didn't win anything because he never fought Lennox Lewis. John Ruiz are you kidding me.
i love fighting when m in gradeschool.15 yrs ago.^_^ win or lose, i love to box..we box at the age of 8. boxing was trend. i dont know why. only realizing lately that pancho villa1920's was my neighbor in ilog, neg occidental Philippines,omg,didnt know this., all i know was former "actually" olympic1996 gold medalist boxer mansueto velasco(silver-bago city) & current WBO champ strawweights Ring #4 donnie nietes.wohoo.i live in the home of the champions. a small island,but its all about BOXING
i love fighting when m in gradeschool.15 yrs ago.^_^ win or lose, i love to box..we box at the age of 8. boxing was trend. i dont know why. only realizing lately that pancho villa1920's was my neighbor in ilog, neg occidental Philippines,omg,didnt know this., all i know was former "actually" olympic1996 gold medalist boxer mansueto velasco(silver-bago city) & current WBO champ strawweights Ring #4 donnie nietes.wohoo.i live in the home of the champions. a small island,but its all about BOXING.
yes, mr.boxinginfo..you mentioned it in this video"THIS WAS CLOSE to number 1"-apr2009-before hatton-cotto-clottey-maragarito.. and manny has 6BELTS hrere..your video is very good..i agreed.. but 2011, i would say, manny is the number 1 now with 8belts.. ^_^ peace and happy new year..
i love fighting when m in gradeschool.15 yrs ago.^_^ win or lose, i love to box..we box at the age of 8. boxing was trend. i dont know why. only realizing lately that pancho villa1920's was my neighbor in ilog, neg occidental Philippines,omg,didnt know this., all i know was former "actually" olympic1996 gold medalist boxer mansueto velasco(silver-bago city) & current WBO champ strawweights Ring #4 donnie nietes.wohoo.i live in the home of the champions. a small island,but its all about BOXING.
This is really helpful, I'm a 19 years old Filipino kid living in Canada and i really love boxing. I hardly knew the greatest filipino boxers. you're really helping us out here specially us filipino kids/adults these days they only know Manny Pacquiao. thanks a lot.
@whatineedisbeer You are very welcome. And I did this video especially for that reason TWICE. The 1st time was in 2007 before Manny elevated his game to another level.
In regards to Pancho Villa, all one has to do is look at his record on boxrec to see how special he was, b/c he died before his 25th birthday and I have my doubts that most current boxers today will ever have that many fights their entire careers.
@whatineedisbeer now u can be proud and say we are not boxing followers bcoz of pacquiao, we have a long history in boxing and still we are very passionate into it...we have evolved in the sport and now we have the greatest boxer of all time...
Now that Pacquiao has beaten Cotto, is he now no. 1 on the list? I'd say a tie for #1 with Pancho Villa. It's hard to downgrade Pancho considering that he had over 100 fights at age 24. Wow!! Those are Sugar Ray Robinson numbers.
@Prophet2525 he would have had more fights if not for his death but you have to remember fighters during those times fought as much as every two weeks.
nice top 5! keep up the good work. pancho villa was only 24 and he has already 109 fights under his belt, shame he died so young he could have fight a lot more
Two years ago, I ranked Pacquiao at number 2, behind Pancho Villa, but he's improved so much since then, and now his resume is better. I still think that Pancho Villa was the greater boxer, but he died so young and had so much un-tapped potential. We may never know who's better, but Pacquiao deserves the spot for now. If only Pancho could have lived for another decade.
Not really. It's just hard for people to accept we actually have one of the greats living in our era. Also it all started off some baseless accusations. That's something you can't deny. Ignorant prick.
mayweater uses xylocaine and that's a fact...keep riding on his dick despite of his arrogance...and hey,he's involve in a shoot out which he denied...mayweeders are a buch of liars indeed.
nah!gay talk.i'm talking about boxing.i bet you sucked an asian's cock..3 inch?how unfotunate you are..don't worry try to find a bigger one,they realy are not the same, bitch...you typical false accusers...IDIOT!...
LONG LIVE 2 PANCHO VILLA..HIS THE 1st. pilipino BOXER WHO STEP IN THE LAND OF U.S TO FIGHT AND PRISENT THE COUNTRY...PHILIPPINES..LONG LIVE THE 5 BOXER....MABUHAY TAYO MGA PINOY..SPECIALY THE PAMBANSANG KAMAO MANNY PACMAN PACQUIAO!!!
I would agree that manny is comparable to the greats in boxing world which include oscar dela hoya, roberto duran, sugar ray leonard, ali, etc., But while manny is superb, let's not forget other great filipino boxers who ushered the country into the world ring. With over 100 fights before dying at age 23 as a world champion, Pancho Villa inspired Filipinos to follow his footsteps. Calling him "loser" him is a great disrespect to the person.
are you nuts??pancho villa the greaTESt filipino boxer???hahahaha...you dont know what your talking about..a greatest fighter is the one who can defy your limits as a boxer and a fighter....AND ONLY MANNY``PACMAN`` PACQUIAO DOES DO ALL OF THAT...IN SEVEN WEIGHT DIVISIONS..NO ONE HAS EVER DID THAT..EVEN THAT PANCHO LOSSER VILLA THAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT...YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT OLD MAN//......MANNY IS THE GREATEST ALL TIME FILIPINO BOXER EVER..IN THE PHILIPPINES AND IN THE WORLD...
you don't know pancho villa..do your research..I agree to you that Manny Pacquiao is the greatest..but I pity you..You don't know anything about boxing.. by the way. Im a Filipino. You might think I'm some kind of foreigner or what..
maybe u'r the one who don't knows what boxing..am not against you buddy but i think u go back to school and learn to understand what people are saying..u'r telling me of boxing history..looya nimu oi..feeling sueto..okoy ka..bay..
Its kind of hard for me to realize just how much Pancho Villa had as far as legacy goes because hes way before my time, but I dont understand why he's number 1 versus Manny who like this guy said got titles in 3/8 of the original weight classes (plus the titles he won at 122, 130 and 140) while Villa was a flyweight who barely got the championship and dies a little while later.
FilFilipinos idolize Pacquiao, and they make him seem like a god. He's good, but he is not as great as the best Mexican fighters. He did not prove to be better than Juan Manuel Marquez.ipinos idolize Pacquiao, and they make him seem like a god. He's good, but he is not as great as the best Mexican fighters. He did not prove to be better than Juan Manuel Marquez.
Has Marquez defeated Pacquiao? Plain opinions don't negate reality.
Manny Pacquiao is compassionate and humble unlike most of your best fighters, except Morales. I like Morales, after the match, he is gentleman.
Pacquiao is bigger than many boxers in personality. He is a very good model for young people. He plays chess, basketball and gets education during breaks. He's in TV, movies, songs and commercials and he shares his blessings to others. Now try to beat that!
You stated your post as, "...FilFilipinos idolize Pacquiao and they make him seem god (sic).." You talk about Filipinos and Pacquiao and yet you don't want to read why Filipinos love him.
By the way, your English is not quite correct but you have the gall to post your criticism of the Filipinos? You should continue studying, learn better English and then post your opinion when you feel like it.
The basis of your argument is ignorance. Check for yourself what the Philippines is: it is not boring, maybe a little compared to Mexico. I heard that government officials are running for their lives like rats. Drug cartels rule Mexico and the poor, they are treated like shit.
Why not he's a clean fighter with a clean reputation and he's humble. And unlike any other Mexican fighter today he's SUCCESSFUL, yes keep hating.
As far as I know its Hollywood celebrities and Boston Celtics that are riding Pacs nuts more than any other fan. Just search it on youtube or related vids.
Roberto Duran was Idolized the same way in Panama. JCC was idolized the same way in Mexico.
Double standard and envy.
Duran shits in Chavez.
As for Pac the difference is he's never ever quit!
Duran disowned his Mexican Half (watch his doco)Your are dreaming about Chavez being anywhere near Durans level. stupid.
Duran is the greatest Light/welterweight of all time and was a champ up to middle weight. No Mexican has ever been Successful in winning Multiple World titles in 3 weight divisions. JMM is attempting to be the first.
What's funny is that Pac been a world champ in 5 weight divisions already and theres not one mexican fighter that's done that and Pac's still only 30.
ya. . . Cotto lasted till the 11th round by someone with bricks under his gloves thanks for pointing that out noob. Now BoxingInfo I couldn't be happier with your list, i feel exactly the same way about pac-man, and pancho at number 1, but If pac-man beats, cotto and then mayweather, I think he should be number 1, in terns of skill(is a little different now, it's not just who's the toughest/best slugger, it's more about who's the best technician) we shall see if manny can pull it off!
haha marquez couldnt even drop pac once in fights marquez drop 4 times..xD and plus pac didnt have the right hook when he was fighting marquez..xD next time if they fight maybe pac will get him..xD
jojoagi- That's a really good question. Little Dado I'm not sure but I think the biggest fights Small Montana was in he may have lost. I'm going off memory of what I read and I think he lost a critical title bout to either Benny Lynch or Fidel LaBarba or both.
Going by boxrec, I'm not sure who Benny Lynch is but Small Montana lost a 15 round decision, I'm guessing he's a hall of famer? Montana drew and lost to Little Dado. I'm just going by record because Small Montana had 9 yr boxing career and had a record of this won 83 (KO 13) + lost 24 (KO 3) + drawn 10 = 118. Amazing. I'm not sure how many big fights Montana has been in and lost, but that's some record. Just wondered what your thoughts were on these guys. Thanks.
I wanna see pacquiao-cotto, I think it would be an amazing fight, brilliant clash of styles and would certainly be more of a contest for pac than his last two fights. but also, and I'm saying this as a fan of pac, I think he has a great chance of winning. as much as I'd love to see pacquiao-marquez III, for the pride&pacquiao-mayweather, for the p4p title, pacquiao-cotto will give him his chance to pick up a belt at welterweight to end what would be one of the greatest careers ever
CONT> With all those boxing bodies we have ( wbc, wba, ibf, ibo,wbo,naba) , it creates confusion to an ordinary fan like me. For example, Nate Campbell was the undisputed/unified lightweight champion but Casamayor, being recognized as ring magazine champion ( before Marquez beat him), was considered a linear champion. Is it safe to assume then that Campbell deserves and shouldve been the linear that time more than casamayor? Your thoughts pls
Ty for the info. I always thought that linear champion is always the man who beats the man thus, being the recognized true champion of its respective weight class. Lineal champion maybe a champion of one sanction ( alphabet title) and may not be considered a linear champion.
korbotch - that linear definition is absolutely true about the man who beats the man scenario unless the man retires or moves up. Every division who has a "MAN" eventually has one walk away like the line I drew from Mike Tyson in 1987 all the way to Lennox Lewis in 2003. That lineage is broken until 1 of the Klitschko's lose and either the other one or another boxer cleans out all the other claimants. If Haye beats Wlad then loses to Vitali, Vitali will be the new "MAN" sort to speak.
Hi, I was wondering if can enlighten me on the difference between linear and lineal titles?Although Ive had a general idea, but still your technical expertise may help shed light on its difference, if theres any? By the way, props to your show, well researched.
korbotch- the only difference there can be in my mind is that most people believe the linear champion has the Ring Belt but the lineal champion if not the same can trace back the lineage.
Example: Lennox Lewis before unifying the belts with Holyfield was thought to be the champion or Evander may have had the Ring belt. Mike Tyson created the new lineage in 1988, Douglas beat him, the Holyfield beat Douglas, then Bowe, then Holyfield, then Moorer, then Foreman all the belts had splintered off >
CONT>Foreman lost to Shannon Briggs. At the same time Lewis got back the WBC belt, Holyfield had gotten the WBA and IBF belts. Not sure who had the Ring belt if anybody did. Lewis KO's Briggs and now has the lineage then beats Holyfield and for certain got the linear belt (RING).
When somebody retires or moves on the whole unification process starts all over again until all claimants are defeated by the last man standing the new linear champion.
pacquiao started his career at 106 and six division world champ and the only fighter in history to have 4 lineal world tittle in four weight division and pacquiao defeated four hall of famers and pacquiao gonna fight cotto or mosley next to prevent ring rust said by roach and if he defeat one of them and them if deafeat floyd pacquiao is going to be the best POUND4POUND FIGHTER OF ALL TIME
you moron all the hall of famers that pac fought are in their prime
berrera is the top P4P fighter and fresh from his demolition job against hamed when pac destroy him
morales is just 28 when pac whoop his ass
dela hoya just can't hit what he can't see and pac has to move up 3 division above his natural weight and oscar only need to shed 7 pounds oscar is the one who chose the weight were they gonna fight even the weight of the weight of the glove oscar suddenly got old because pac make him
what an excuse pacquiao been in wars in all of his fights and do you know early in his career even puts metals in his pockets in the weight in just to make the weight to fight bigger guys because they offer bigger pay days
give me an example of a war with pacquiao that is like the ones that barrera and morales had, name 3, should be easy if what you say is true, i think you are a liar that has probably only seen 5 of pacquiaos fights
and i doubt that he would put weights in his pockets, since you have to strip almost naked when they weight you, not to mention in his early days he would struggle to make weight in the lighter divisions
thanks for the info because i keep seeing comments that the pacman fought over the hill fighters. this means the pacman actually fought more competitive opponents compared to floyd's resume.
i think oyu must summarizing again your video because in the philippines Manny Pcquiao consider as the greatest filipino boxer of all time after he defeat Ricky Hatton dramatically at the 2nd round.
thophey, u clearly dont understand pancho villa fought a total of 109 fights b4 he was even 25 years old... as great as manny pacquiao is right now, Francisco Guilledo aka "pancho villa" is still number 1.
why couldn't mayweather wait a day? roach is right, he probably is scared of manny. although cotto would be a good matchup, i think mosley is an even better one. besides, mosley ran thru margarito who beat cotto. so even if it serves an entertaining fight with cotto, a battle with mosley is both exciting and of more significance.
cotto is next. Mayweather is boring. he will run all night. Pacquiao is exciting to watch becoz u'll never know if someones get ktfo. Pacquiao like roy jones and mike tyson are truly p4p fighters. Both are exciting to watch.
coolviet55- Like Bob Arum said in the post fight press conference, a possible fight with Cotto or Mosely fro a legit Welterweight belt would make him the only man in history to win at least belts in 4 of the original 8 weight classes and now #1 Filipino boxer of all time.
islander im not tryin to belittle your boxing wisdom or anything, but does it really matter if junior and super weight titles arent part of the original 8 weight classes? isnt it an achievement on is own to just be able to move up in weight to take on tougher competition?
XXXMaster-I understand what you are asking. Look at it like this, The original 8 weight classes were created to categorize every size man at the time up to the early 1960's. How many divisions would Sugar Ray Robinson or God forbid Henry Armstrong have won titles in?
Armstrong certainly would have won at 126,130,135,140,147, and 154. He legitimately won 126,147, and 135 and held them at the same time.
I use the original 8 weight classes to cut thru the FMJ bull s__t of 10 titles in 5 divisions
XXXMaster = Throw that WBO 160 belt right out the window, he couldn't make 1 successful defense, he promptly lost it to the Linear Champ in the division.
Chavez and Arguello were definitely better all time than DLH and so is Pacquiao,
For me, going back to the original 8 weight divisions is one of the truest ways of comparing the boxers of the past with those of the present. Reason, more people fall into those original 8 weight classes naturally.
great job on the list. why the f*** aren't u in espn!!!! btw u kinda look like taylor hicks.... lol!!! ur channel is the best, i love ur inputs and opinions or insights and whatnot... great job!!! great job!!! great job!!!
I think Hatton's fans are overrating Ricky. He's not all that and what you have been hearing about Hatton is untrue. Paul M. said that: He hate to say it because it makes him sound bitter but Hatton is not this monster that they are making him out to be, Hatton really hasn't changed all that much with Mayweather Sr. either. Like he said, he will be pulling for Ricky because he is a real cool guy, but Pacquiao will stop him.
Let's hope you're right, I'm gunning for Pacman, but I don't see this as a walk in the park for Pacman as most people are thinking this will be. I think Hatton is a tough fighter, I don't see this quite so easy. Just going to have to see tomorrow.
lol, and sorry to bother you again, but just a question on boxing injuries. Nonito Donaire Jr, is always reported to injure his left hand during his fights, in his fight with Mathalane, he had to turn southpaw because his hand was bothering him, and after his fights I always hear that his hands are bothered by the injury. In boxers careers, can this hinder training and more importantly a boxers career. How serious can these be? lol, promise I won't post any more questions now, thanks boxinginfo
jojoagj- yes yes and again yes to your questions. I think that a boxer needs 2 things. 1st a guy like DLH had to take care of his hands Joe Chavez. Oscar had hand problems back in the 1990's not so much lately. 2nd they need to start a treatment program like FMJ does between fights as well as seek out the equipment that will protect their hands the best ex. Winning for Erik Morales and FMJ. Grant for others, etc.
I think Nonito will be stubborn to turn to Winning, and I think that him turning to Winning will take away from his punching power, what do you think? But I understand the need to turn to Winning with his conditions of his hands, I just don't think he will.
Oh, btw boxinginfo, your thoughts on Pancho Villa had he not died at such an early age, what do you think he's career would have been had he not died so early? and your thoughts on others boxers who have died so young and could have been boxing greats had their lives not been cut so short? salvador sanchez, diego corrales?
jojoagi - I think Pancho Villa would have reigned supreme at 112 and had massive fights up and down the weight chart up to 135 with McClarnin, Canzoneri, and Ross.
Sanchez was just as tragic only b/c he was already in his prime and most knew what he was capable of.
Diego Corrales was on the downslide no matter what anybody says RIP.
Marcel Cerdan the best boxer to ever come out of France and maybe continental Europe killed in a plane crash. Look him up on boxrec really impressive.
Hey boxinginfo, great video uploads btw, always interested in what you have to say. Are there any current Filipino boxers (not including Pacquiao) that particularly catch your eye? What do you think of Bernabe Concepcion, AJ Banal, Nonito Donaire? and do you think we will have to wait for another boxing great from the Philippines? and can Filipino boxers stay in boxing and make a name for themselves. Your thoughts, thanks dude, look forward to more video uploads
bryanzki87- 112, 122, 126, 130, 135, possibly 140. These are titles not linear championships. Or shall I say its the FMJ/ODH way of counting titles and divisions.
The really important thing to remember is :112,126,135 - 3 of the original 8, Floyd can't say that Alexis Arguello or Chavez Sr. can't say that either. At best JMM has won only 2 of the original 8.
Stork, Pacquiao technically didn't win anything when he beat barrera. I know Barrera was the lineal champion who has WBC and ring champion when Pacquiao beat him but it was a non-title fight. I know even Doug Fisher disagrees with it too. He consider Pacquiao as 5 division world champion counting barrera's featherweight belt.
aznvedz- Pacquiao may have had the WBO or some belt but look at it this way. Barrera schooled Hamed WBO who KO'd Robinson(WBO) KO'd Boom Boom Johnson (IBF) won a wide decision over Cesar Soto (WBC) and stopped Wilfredo Vazquez (WBA). All of those guys held those titles at the time Hamed beat them even if they were stripped for fighting him they were the titleists, therefore Hamed in my mind was the Undisputed Featherweight Champion and then Barrera was and then Pacquiao. That's the lineage.
do you think pacquiao even have a chance against any of the welterweight champion? Berto, mosley, cotto, clottey? Pac should have fought in bantam and win a belt there...too bad and too late.
aznvedz- At this point in time the answer is YES, now that can all change by Sunday morning even in victory if it's not a real clean one. But I think he can beat Berto and Mosley ain't getting any younger. Clottey may be too big but something just doesn't impress me about him, and Cotto I'm not sure. I'll know more on Sunday morning.
lemonite1- Donaire is going to have to do 1 of 2 things. 1.Run off a bunch of title defenses and some level of unification at 112. Or 2. play what I think is the over rated move up in weight game and win titles at 115 and a t least 118.
How come you think jumping up in weight is over-rated? Isn't it better that he moves up in weight to fight the more exciting fights in say Montiel, and that Donaire has no more to prove at 112
jojoagj-Its over rated in the sense that he already fights in one of the original 8 weight classes Flyweight the one Pancho Villa was champion. 15-20 title defenses in one of these divisions like Bernard Hopkins did at 160 goes a long way for history sake.
At 112 right now there is a 15 title defense champion named Omar Narvaez of Argentina the WBO, Daisuke Naito and Wongjonkam of the WBC, as well as the other Thai fighter who just won the WBA belt from Sakata. There's 4 more intriguing bouts.
penalosa is 36 yrs going 37 yrs plus has to move up in weight to face lopez and penalosa two controversial loss to In-Joo Cho was a home town decision and his two defeats with Masamori Tokuyama was also a home town decision
A Pacquiao Hamed fight woulda' been crazy. Hamed might have been just awkward enough to give Pacman a hard time. Plus, Hamed had speed and power. Pacquiao has too many tools for Hamed, I think Barrera already proved that.....
another great vid, you should have done it with the other guy you did it with, months ago. where is that guy??? BTW Elorde fought Gomes on march 16 1960 it was the inagural fight for the Araneta Colliseum, where Thrilla in Manila was held.
It's unbelievable to think that if Pacquiao beats Hatton, he could find himself fighting Mayweather and Cotto either late this year and early next. In the early part of last year, those fights would have been inconceivable. He really is a once-in-a-lifetime fighter, and it's funny how he sort of snuck up on us as an all-time legend. Even if he loses fights to Mayweather and Cotto, it would in no way tarnish legacy, as he'd lose only to some of the very best, and both much bigger than him.
dieallday- that was before we the people let the WBA and and the other organizations start making interim champions and WBC Continental titles and all that BS. NABF, USBA, OPBF, EBU (15 rounders) actually groomed fighters for title shots.
Duk Koo Kim I think was the OPBF 135lb champ before he got his fatal shot at Mancini.
i agreee with your last statement for the japanese rivalry. It was in 80s. i remember sitting on my dad's lap while watching. also thai and koreans.
rugasyano 2 months ago
Pancho Villa was champion in the age where there were only ONE belt for each weight class. EVERYONE knew who he was because of this. he was also tight with jack demspey and mickey walker. He lived and reigned in the Golden age of boxing. random fact he was one of roberto durans childhood heroes. Total fights 104 Wins 92 Wins by KO 24 Losses 8 Draws 4 and he did this all when he was only 23. This guy is an epic G. Sadly, only the great die young...
PhazingReality 6 months ago
My only TOP 4: 1)PACQUIAO for being 8 Div. World Champ; Best Boxer of the Decade; n Greatest Asian Boxer of All Time; 2) PANCHO VILLA for being the 2nd Greatest Asian Boxer of All Time; Rank 59 by Ring Magazine as Worlds Greatest Boxers in the last 80 Yrs.3) FLASH ELORDE being Rank 79 by Ring Magazine as World's Greatest Boxers in the last 80 Yrs; longest World Jr. LW Div. Champ in Boxing history for 7 1/2 yrs. & defended it 9x. 3) DONAIRE for being 3 Div. World Champ.
misterRR1000 6 months ago
I think you forgot 122lbs Pacquiao destroyed the supposedly south african superstar in the making but Pacquiao took his WBA belt in his nose, his name Ledwaba remember?
RainheartIsobel 6 months ago
@RainheartIsobel Actually it was the IBF belt. Not sure which context we are speaking, but if I didn't mention that belt it was probably because I was recounting the LINEAR or original 8 weight class titles Pacquiao has won. 122 is not one of the original 8 nor was that title the linear one in that division. It's been a long time since I watched this video.
boxinginfo 6 months ago
@boxinginfo yeah its IBF my bad, i watch the BIOGRAPHY of Pacquiao his story is so inspiring, i don't know if you see it but its simply amazing how he achieve of what he achieved.
RainheartIsobel 6 months ago
@boxinginfo who are you? are you a filipino? how could you rate our filipino boxing heroes while you dont have a heart of being a filipino? in your conclusions about how great they are? your explanations seems to me a meer shallow barometers,, what formula do you follow to conclude who are our best boxers ever? what are the bases for being on your top 5 great boxers ever? do you know how much Elorde and Pacquioa means to promote on where our boxing status in the world today?
melandrita2 4 months ago
actually Pancho Villa wasn't 25 he was 23 when he died. He had over 100 fights by the age of 22...
MrWillw00ds 8 months ago 3
now i know that we a lot filipinos great boxer,,,thanks for info
try2luke 9 months ago
Man, hat off to you. You really know boxing history. I have witnessed the 70's up to the present and I did not know I would still learn things from you even when it was about Filipino boxers. Thanks.
benjiernmd 11 months ago
hmmm... our list are almost identical..
it also have some facts about them..
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angelsk93 11 months ago
Lovely stuff, mate. Would agree that Pacquiao has done enough to secure top spot now (and that goes for the whole of Asia). I'd have a top five of Pacquiao, with Villa and Elorde tied for second / third place (can't split them!), with fourth spot going to Garcia and fifth place to Espinosa. Near misses would be Dado, Donaire and Navarette. Might seem a bit generous to tie Elorde with Villa, but Elorde did a wonderful job of reviving the 130 lb divisions and held his own with Saddler, no less.
iljn1988 1 year ago
i think pacquiao number 1 and villa 2
AliRidah619 1 year ago
I agree that Villa was the greatest of all time, but come on Ryoy Jones Jr didn't win anything because he never fought Lennox Lewis. John Ruiz are you kidding me.
MrGG1959 1 year ago
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i love fighting when m in gradeschool.15 yrs ago.^_^ win or lose, i love to box..we box at the age of 8. boxing was trend. i dont know why. only realizing lately that pancho villa1920's was my neighbor in ilog, neg occidental Philippines,omg,didnt know this., all i know was former "actually" olympic1996 gold medalist boxer mansueto velasco(silver-bago city) & current WBO champ strawweights Ring #4 donnie nietes.wohoo.i live in the home of the champions. a small island,but its all about BOXING
bennyhilg 1 year ago
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i love fighting when m in gradeschool.15 yrs ago.^_^ win or lose, i love to box..we box at the age of 8. boxing was trend. i dont know why. only realizing lately that pancho villa1920's was my neighbor in ilog, neg occidental Philippines,omg,didnt know this., all i know was former "actually" olympic1996 gold medalist boxer mansueto velasco(silver-bago city) & current WBO champ strawweights Ring #4 donnie nietes.wohoo.i live in the home of the champions. a small island,but its all about BOXING.
bennyhilg 1 year ago
yes, mr.boxinginfo..you mentioned it in this video"THIS WAS CLOSE to number 1"-apr2009-before hatton-cotto-clottey-maragarito.. and manny has 6BELTS hrere..your video is very good..i agreed.. but 2011, i would say, manny is the number 1 now with 8belts.. ^_^ peace and happy new year..
bennyhilg 1 year ago
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i love fighting when m in gradeschool.15 yrs ago.^_^ win or lose, i love to box..we box at the age of 8. boxing was trend. i dont know why. only realizing lately that pancho villa1920's was my neighbor in ilog, neg occidental Philippines,omg,didnt know this., all i know was former "actually" olympic1996 gold medalist boxer mansueto velasco(silver-bago city) & current WBO champ strawweights Ring #4 donnie nietes.wohoo.i live in the home of the champions. a small island,but its all about BOXING.
bennyhilg 1 year ago
This is really helpful, I'm a 19 years old Filipino kid living in Canada and i really love boxing. I hardly knew the greatest filipino boxers. you're really helping us out here specially us filipino kids/adults these days they only know Manny Pacquiao. thanks a lot.
whatineedisbeer 1 year ago
@whatineedisbeer You are very welcome. And I did this video especially for that reason TWICE. The 1st time was in 2007 before Manny elevated his game to another level.
In regards to Pancho Villa, all one has to do is look at his record on boxrec to see how special he was, b/c he died before his 25th birthday and I have my doubts that most current boxers today will ever have that many fights their entire careers.
boxinginfo 1 year ago
@whatineedisbeer now u can be proud and say we are not boxing followers bcoz of pacquiao, we have a long history in boxing and still we are very passionate into it...we have evolved in the sport and now we have the greatest boxer of all time...
ogbanza 5 months ago
Boxinginfo what is ur take on Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather if the fight ever happens...break it down...
siralex750 1 year ago
Thanks for the video. It's very informative. I enjoyed watching it.
Lastog561 1 year ago
hi mr.boxinginfo i'm just curious...are you some kind of a boxing geek...it seems you know everything about boxing?
errollawrence 1 year ago
@errollawrence I don't know everything, only God does.
boxinginfo 1 year ago 5
@boxinginfo . i agree bout that
IKNOWABITOFEVERYTHIN 9 months ago
Lets just face it.
People of the world were not ready for what Pacquiao had under his sleeve. He took the world of boxing by storm and was just progressing too fast!!!
bigtrouble0037 1 year ago
Now that Pacquiao has beaten Cotto, is he now no. 1 on the list? I'd say a tie for #1 with Pancho Villa. It's hard to downgrade Pancho considering that he had over 100 fights at age 24. Wow!! Those are Sugar Ray Robinson numbers.
Prophet2525 1 year ago
@Prophet2525 he would have had more fights if not for his death but you have to remember fighters during those times fought as much as every two weeks.
TheFilipinoBoxer 1 year ago
hey!!!! why not give doddie boy penalosa a spot......bieng a champ dispite of his
handycap,,,,,,the guy has a big heart......
sherwintan23 1 year ago
paquiao is great but pancho is very great!!!
rudolfui 1 year ago
did you know??... francisco "pancho villa" guilledo is the first asian world boxing champion!!!... so great!!!...
rudolfui 1 year ago
@SmokinDatBruceBanner suck mine gay boy
harrygats 1 year ago
nice top 5! keep up the good work. pancho villa was only 24 and he has already 109 fights under his belt, shame he died so young he could have fight a lot more
eli0125 1 year ago
donaire's career will surpass espinosa and panalosa for sure
DarkswordSerathus 1 year ago
blah blah blah blah~ xD
everyone can rise but will someday fall...
but their achievements and legacy will always be remembered~
so who is the greatest now? xD
teejaybelial 1 year ago
No one can make a Filipino Boxer look stupid up in the ring except another Filipino Boxer. Respect to all Pinoy Boxers...Peace
CandyBlooded 1 year ago
5. Ceferino Garcia
4. Luisito Espinosa
3. Gabriel 'Flash' Elorde
2. Francisco "Panco Villa" Guilledo
1. Manny "PacMan" Pacquiao
Two years ago, I ranked Pacquiao at number 2, behind Pancho Villa, but he's improved so much since then, and now his resume is better. I still think that Pancho Villa was the greater boxer, but he died so young and had so much un-tapped potential. We may never know who's better, but Pacquiao deserves the spot for now. If only Pancho could have lived for another decade.
RaynardAlcampor 2 years ago
@RaynardAlcampor yeah but you forgot to mention that he is on roids and that is somthing u cannot deny
b0dmonn 2 years ago
@b0dmonn
Not really. It's just hard for people to accept we actually have one of the greats living in our era. Also it all started off some baseless accusations. That's something you can't deny. Ignorant prick.
RaynardAlcampor 2 years ago 12
show some froof asshole!
mayweater uses xylocaine and that's a fact...keep riding on his dick despite of his arrogance...and hey,he's involve in a shoot out which he denied...mayweeders are a buch of liars indeed.
metanoia1983 1 year ago
too bad he gets more pussy than u
b0dmonn 1 year ago
how come?i ain't no pussy,he ian't no pussy...nice try but you're wrong again.u and gayweather are both bigger than pussy.deal with it
metanoia1983 1 year ago
ur fucking retarded, ur prob asian which means u have a three inch penis so have fun with your life FAG
b0dmonn 1 year ago
nah!gay talk.i'm talking about boxing.i bet you sucked an asian's cock..3 inch?how unfotunate you are..don't worry try to find a bigger one,they realy are not the same, bitch...you typical false accusers...IDIOT!...
suck you uncircumcised dick.
metanoia1983 1 year ago
funny cuz i already fucked ur dad so that makes u gay for watching
b0dmonn 1 year ago
@b0dmonn you cretin.... youre so dumb you cant spell dumb.... fool
harrygats 1 year ago
This video was posted april 2009, which is before Pacquiao beat Hatton and Cotto, so I
think if he would remake this video he would
say that Manny is the greatest Filipino boxer
of all time.
AGroovyKindofLove 2 years ago
hey dude
um...pacquiao is rly the greatest
cuz it doesn't mean that he wins 92 fights he's the greatest
itz how many titles that u had
emotionaL2533 2 years ago
@emotionaL2533
You don't know shit.
RaynardAlcampor 2 years ago
@emotionaL2533 no bullshit hes on roids
b0dmonn 2 years ago
yeah Pancho Villa is great...won at least 92 wins before he died at 24...wooo great...~
athonski 2 years ago 3
LONG LIVE 2 PANCHO VILLA..HIS THE 1st. pilipino BOXER WHO STEP IN THE LAND OF U.S TO FIGHT AND PRISENT THE COUNTRY...PHILIPPINES..LONG LIVE THE 5 BOXER....MABUHAY TAYO MGA PINOY..SPECIALY THE PAMBANSANG KAMAO MANNY PACMAN PACQUIAO!!!
zerconyx 2 years ago
I would agree that manny is comparable to the greats in boxing world which include oscar dela hoya, roberto duran, sugar ray leonard, ali, etc., But while manny is superb, let's not forget other great filipino boxers who ushered the country into the world ring. With over 100 fights before dying at age 23 as a world champion, Pancho Villa inspired Filipinos to follow his footsteps. Calling him "loser" him is a great disrespect to the person.
villgon2000 2 years ago 11
@villgon2000 agreed.
TheFilipinoBoxer 1 year ago
are you nuts??pancho villa the greaTESt filipino boxer???hahahaha...you dont know what your talking about..a greatest fighter is the one who can defy your limits as a boxer and a fighter....AND ONLY MANNY``PACMAN`` PACQUIAO DOES DO ALL OF THAT...IN SEVEN WEIGHT DIVISIONS..NO ONE HAS EVER DID THAT..EVEN THAT PANCHO LOSSER VILLA THAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT...YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT OLD MAN//......MANNY IS THE GREATEST ALL TIME FILIPINO BOXER EVER..IN THE PHILIPPINES AND IN THE WORLD...
dirtyharry070707 2 years ago
you don't know pancho villa..do your research..I agree to you that Manny Pacquiao is the greatest..but I pity you..You don't know anything about boxing.. by the way. Im a Filipino. You might think I'm some kind of foreigner or what..
albintot 2 years ago
dirtyharry's comments are wastes my friend..he knows only talking not boxing..don't waste u'r time to this moron..
kulatado 2 years ago
You don't know anything about boxing history. Thats why you do not understand this topic. =)
You don't know how to appreciate achievements of other boxers.
albintot 2 years ago
maybe u'r the one who don't knows what boxing..am not against you buddy but i think u go back to school and learn to understand what people are saying..u'r telling me of boxing history..looya nimu oi..feeling sueto..okoy ka..bay..
kulatado 2 years ago
this guy is talking before the hatton fight..
pancho villa has 94 wins at the age of 24.how was that?...
you can rank manny as number 1 now after beating,hatton and cotto.don't be an idiot...tingnan mo nga muna kung kelan nya sinabi yan.
metanoia1983 1 year ago
i thought pancho villa died at age 23 with 108 fights?
junjiarias 2 years ago
nice video and info, i'm also a fan of luisito espinosa one of the greats
sgtjoe2008 2 years ago
Great Info and Great vid!
MyAragorn 2 years ago
That was a very good post boxinginfo, insightful and interesting to watch.
Thunder213 2 years ago
The Thing Is PACQUAIO WON!!!! Even in the First Fight.... 10-7 in a 3 Knock down play???? such an idiot judge.....
akoito121 2 years ago
Great information! I appreciated it!
smatol707 2 years ago
Its kind of hard for me to realize just how much Pancho Villa had as far as legacy goes because hes way before my time, but I dont understand why he's number 1 versus Manny who like this guy said got titles in 3/8 of the original weight classes (plus the titles he won at 122, 130 and 140) while Villa was a flyweight who barely got the championship and dies a little while later.
USNCorpsman 2 years ago
when did Garcia fight?
USNCorpsman 2 years ago
FilFilipinos idolize Pacquiao, and they make him seem like a god. He's good, but he is not as great as the best Mexican fighters. He did not prove to be better than Juan Manuel Marquez.ipinos idolize Pacquiao, and they make him seem like a god. He's good, but he is not as great as the best Mexican fighters. He did not prove to be better than Juan Manuel Marquez.
christianz2010 2 years ago
Says who?
Has Marquez defeated Pacquiao? Plain opinions don't negate reality.
Manny Pacquiao is compassionate and humble unlike most of your best fighters, except Morales. I like Morales, after the match, he is gentleman.
Pacquiao is bigger than many boxers in personality. He is a very good model for young people. He plays chess, basketball and gets education during breaks. He's in TV, movies, songs and commercials and he shares his blessings to others. Now try to beat that!
jurbinsky77 2 years ago
your just naming things about him that you dont even know if there true. its just the way you want it to be
christianz2010 2 years ago
plain opinion?Marquez schooled pac is a fact.
why would i care about his personal life?
christianz2010 2 years ago
..schooled Pacquiao on what?
You stated your post as, "...FilFilipinos idolize Pacquiao and they make him seem god (sic).." You talk about Filipinos and Pacquiao and yet you don't want to read why Filipinos love him.
By the way, your English is not quite correct but you have the gall to post your criticism of the Filipinos? You should continue studying, learn better English and then post your opinion when you feel like it.
jurbinsky77 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
they love him because with him someone is actually paying attention to their boringass country.
christianz2010 2 years ago
The basis of your argument is ignorance. Check for yourself what the Philippines is: it is not boring, maybe a little compared to Mexico. I heard that government officials are running for their lives like rats. Drug cartels rule Mexico and the poor, they are treated like shit.
jurbinsky77 2 years ago
lol bitch you got nothing to say.
your country is lower than Mexico and you know it
christianz2010 2 years ago
you are foul-mouthed, clearly a sign of lacking in education.
I am professional what about you? Is Mexico "lower" (sic) than say Brazil?
Check your chess player GM Miguel de leon Hoyos and Wesley So.
Boxing is only a sport but it would show what kind of character a person has.
jurbinsky77 2 years ago
Why not he's a clean fighter with a clean reputation and he's humble. And unlike any other Mexican fighter today he's SUCCESSFUL, yes keep hating.
As far as I know its Hollywood celebrities and Boston Celtics that are riding Pacs nuts more than any other fan. Just search it on youtube or related vids.
Roberto Duran was Idolized the same way in Panama. JCC was idolized the same way in Mexico.
Double standard and envy.
Duran shits in Chavez.
As for Pac the difference is he's never ever quit!
disith 2 years ago
Mexican boxers not successful??
here is a question is the best Mexican fighter better than the best flip fighter?YES
Mexican boxers not humble?your just talking about Margarito
Duran is half Mexican and not as good as Chavez
so save it stupid.
christianz2010 2 years ago
Duran disowned his Mexican Half (watch his doco)Your are dreaming about Chavez being anywhere near Durans level. stupid.
Duran is the greatest Light/welterweight of all time and was a champ up to middle weight. No Mexican has ever been Successful in winning Multiple World titles in 3 weight divisions. JMM is attempting to be the first.
What's funny is that Pac been a world champ in 5 weight divisions already and theres not one mexican fighter that's done that and Pac's still only 30.
disith 2 years ago
what about miguel cotto and trinidad they quit!?
1988rogers 2 years ago
When did i mention Rican fighters anywhere?
disith 2 years ago
ya. . . Cotto lasted till the 11th round by someone with bricks under his gloves thanks for pointing that out noob. Now BoxingInfo I couldn't be happier with your list, i feel exactly the same way about pac-man, and pancho at number 1, but If pac-man beats, cotto and then mayweather, I think he should be number 1, in terns of skill(is a little different now, it's not just who's the toughest/best slugger, it's more about who's the best technician) we shall see if manny can pull it off!
FloweySkillz 2 years ago
haha marquez couldnt even drop pac once in fights marquez drop 4 times..xD and plus pac didnt have the right hook when he was fighting marquez..xD next time if they fight maybe pac will get him..xD
jason96732 2 years ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! no such thing
saltruj 2 years ago
Hey boxinginfo, What are your thoughts on Filipino Boxers Little Dado & Small Montana?
Small Montana has some record right:
won 83 (KO 13) + lost 24 (KO 3) + drawn 10 = 118 (by Boxrec)
and Little Dado at one time holding the Flyweight and Batamweight title at the same time.
Would either of these old timers beat Espinosa/Penalosa for your #5 spot.
jojoagj 2 years ago
jojoagi- That's a really good question. Little Dado I'm not sure but I think the biggest fights Small Montana was in he may have lost. I'm going off memory of what I read and I think he lost a critical title bout to either Benny Lynch or Fidel LaBarba or both.
boxinginfo 2 years ago
Going by boxrec, I'm not sure who Benny Lynch is but Small Montana lost a 15 round decision, I'm guessing he's a hall of famer? Montana drew and lost to Little Dado. I'm just going by record because Small Montana had 9 yr boxing career and had a record of this won 83 (KO 13) + lost 24 (KO 3) + drawn 10 = 118. Amazing. I'm not sure how many big fights Montana has been in and lost, but that's some record. Just wondered what your thoughts were on these guys. Thanks.
jojoagj 2 years ago
after the pacquiao-hatton fight, i'd put him on the top of the list.
nice video, keep it coming! thanks!
shimeytsi 2 years ago
nice vid sir. very informative thanks!
satano 2 years ago
dont forget panchu villa XD
12ock 2 years ago
Great video
I wanna see pacquiao-cotto, I think it would be an amazing fight, brilliant clash of styles and would certainly be more of a contest for pac than his last two fights. but also, and I'm saying this as a fan of pac, I think he has a great chance of winning. as much as I'd love to see pacquiao-marquez III, for the pride&pacquiao-mayweather, for the p4p title, pacquiao-cotto will give him his chance to pick up a belt at welterweight to end what would be one of the greatest careers ever
Pacquiaoifyable 2 years ago
1. Pacquiao
2. Elorde
3, Villa
4, Garcia
5. Espinosa
bruzkie 2 years ago
CONT> With all those boxing bodies we have ( wbc, wba, ibf, ibo,wbo,naba) , it creates confusion to an ordinary fan like me. For example, Nate Campbell was the undisputed/unified lightweight champion but Casamayor, being recognized as ring magazine champion ( before Marquez beat him), was considered a linear champion. Is it safe to assume then that Campbell deserves and shouldve been the linear that time more than casamayor? Your thoughts pls
korbotch 2 years ago
Ty for the info. I always thought that linear champion is always the man who beats the man thus, being the recognized true champion of its respective weight class. Lineal champion maybe a champion of one sanction ( alphabet title) and may not be considered a linear champion.
korbotch 2 years ago
korbotch - that linear definition is absolutely true about the man who beats the man scenario unless the man retires or moves up. Every division who has a "MAN" eventually has one walk away like the line I drew from Mike Tyson in 1987 all the way to Lennox Lewis in 2003. That lineage is broken until 1 of the Klitschko's lose and either the other one or another boxer cleans out all the other claimants. If Haye beats Wlad then loses to Vitali, Vitali will be the new "MAN" sort to speak.
boxinginfo 2 years ago
Hi, I was wondering if can enlighten me on the difference between linear and lineal titles?Although Ive had a general idea, but still your technical expertise may help shed light on its difference, if theres any? By the way, props to your show, well researched.
korbotch 2 years ago
korbotch- the only difference there can be in my mind is that most people believe the linear champion has the Ring Belt but the lineal champion if not the same can trace back the lineage.
Example: Lennox Lewis before unifying the belts with Holyfield was thought to be the champion or Evander may have had the Ring belt. Mike Tyson created the new lineage in 1988, Douglas beat him, the Holyfield beat Douglas, then Bowe, then Holyfield, then Moorer, then Foreman all the belts had splintered off >
boxinginfo 2 years ago
CONT>Foreman lost to Shannon Briggs. At the same time Lewis got back the WBC belt, Holyfield had gotten the WBA and IBF belts. Not sure who had the Ring belt if anybody did. Lewis KO's Briggs and now has the lineage then beats Holyfield and for certain got the linear belt (RING).
When somebody retires or moves on the whole unification process starts all over again until all claimants are defeated by the last man standing the new linear champion.
boxinginfo 2 years ago
nice
novastring 2 years ago
is it ok if you can allow this to be embedded on websites? i'd like to embed this to my profile
aznvedz 2 years ago
aznvedz- try it now
boxinginfo 2 years ago
thank you!
aznvedz 2 years ago
w0w the mighty island nation known as PHILIPPINES :D
filipina23incess 2 years ago
Manny is already at number 1
utahcoss 2 years ago
pacquiao started his career at 106 and six division world champ and the only fighter in history to have 4 lineal world tittle in four weight division and pacquiao defeated four hall of famers and pacquiao gonna fight cotto or mosley next to prevent ring rust said by roach and if he defeat one of them and them if deafeat floyd pacquiao is going to be the best POUND4POUND FIGHTER OF ALL TIME
taarbon 2 years ago
wtf he will never be the best p4p fighter of all time
and beating four hall of famers really isnt that much, considering most of them were out of their prime
XXXMasterP69XXX 2 years ago
you moron all the hall of famers that pac fought are in their prime
berrera is the top P4P fighter and fresh from his demolition job against hamed when pac destroy him
morales is just 28 when pac whoop his ass
dela hoya just can't hit what he can't see and pac has to move up 3 division above his natural weight and oscar only need to shed 7 pounds oscar is the one who chose the weight were they gonna fight even the weight of the weight of the glove oscar suddenly got old because pac make him
taarbon 2 years ago
his age isnt wats important, its what hes done in his years as a fighter, his fighting mileage if you will
morales had just finished a fighting 3 wars with barrera when he fought pacquiao
that does a lot of damage, just look at wat happened to vasquez in his trilogy with marquez
and no one is bitching about DLH, he could knock him out for all i care
XXXMasterP69XXX 2 years ago
what an excuse pacquiao been in wars in all of his fights and do you know early in his career even puts metals in his pockets in the weight in just to make the weight to fight bigger guys because they offer bigger pay days
taarbon 2 years ago
give me an example of a war with pacquiao that is like the ones that barrera and morales had, name 3, should be easy if what you say is true, i think you are a liar that has probably only seen 5 of pacquiaos fights
and i doubt that he would put weights in his pockets, since you have to strip almost naked when they weight you, not to mention in his early days he would struggle to make weight in the lighter divisions
XXXMasterP69XXX 2 years ago
shut up xxxmasterp69xxx! you're just jealous of manny coz he overthrown your fellow filthy mexican who carries swine flu.
BrownIce85 2 years ago
thanks for the info because i keep seeing comments that the pacman fought over the hill fighters. this means the pacman actually fought more competitive opponents compared to floyd's resume.
vertigo501 2 years ago
If Manny fights and beats Mayweather, he goes number 1 in my opinion.
danlfc1983 2 years ago
Very scholarly. Technically, Pacquiao has 4 legitimate weight class titles. I strongly agree with you, not 6.
xtianmanansala 2 years ago
i think oyu must summarizing again your video because in the philippines Manny Pcquiao consider as the greatest filipino boxer of all time after he defeat Ricky Hatton dramatically at the 2nd round.
ignoranteh 2 years ago
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ricky fatton is a british bum! overrated brit!
tomatocanvickyfatton 2 years ago
BTW manny pacquiao have 5 titles or 6 i think on different weights
JobPadalla 2 years ago
muhammad ali #1(born by Filipino parents but adopted)
manny pacquiao #1
JobPadalla 2 years ago
LMFAO!!!
that is ridiculous
XXXMasterP69XXX 2 years ago
pacman is great
vicky fatton is a tomato can
tomatocanvickyfatton 2 years ago 2
thophey, u clearly dont understand pancho villa fought a total of 109 fights b4 he was even 25 years old... as great as manny pacquiao is right now, Francisco Guilledo aka "pancho villa" is still number 1.
swordfite 2 years ago 2
nice insights buddy, but you should revised it again, now that pacquiao won vs hatton. Good job and Godbless
thophey 2 years ago
very informative
great list update. thanks for bringing this edition back
special mention - dodie boy penalosa
lovhybrid 2 years ago
5th penalosa
4th garcia
3rd elorde
2nd pacquiao
1st villa
special mention - navarette; espinosa; velasco
abbluesplayer 2 years ago
why couldn't mayweather wait a day? roach is right, he probably is scared of manny. although cotto would be a good matchup, i think mosley is an even better one. besides, mosley ran thru margarito who beat cotto. so even if it serves an entertaining fight with cotto, a battle with mosley is both exciting and of more significance.
after that, bring on junior.
beefNshramP 2 years ago
you are hot,
alhebshi1 2 years ago
Hatton = tomato can worse than an amatuer
Pacman = greatest of all time (after SRR)
Cheack out my funny vid on Vicky Fatton
tomatocanvickyfatton 2 years ago
I have posted my post fight video response. Please check it out. Hatton sucks.
tomatocanvickyfatton 2 years ago
cotto is next. Mayweather is boring. he will run all night. Pacquiao is exciting to watch becoz u'll never know if someones get ktfo. Pacquiao like roy jones and mike tyson are truly p4p fighters. Both are exciting to watch.
USATEAM123 2 years ago
Hatton down....... What is Pacman next move? to be consider your top 1 pinoy fighter!
coolviet55 2 years ago
coolviet55- Like Bob Arum said in the post fight press conference, a possible fight with Cotto or Mosely fro a legit Welterweight belt would make him the only man in history to win at least belts in 4 of the original 8 weight classes and now #1 Filipino boxer of all time.
boxinginfo 2 years ago
islander im not tryin to belittle your boxing wisdom or anything, but does it really matter if junior and super weight titles arent part of the original 8 weight classes? isnt it an achievement on is own to just be able to move up in weight to take on tougher competition?
XXXMasterP69XXX 2 years ago
XXXMaster-I understand what you are asking. Look at it like this, The original 8 weight classes were created to categorize every size man at the time up to the early 1960's. How many divisions would Sugar Ray Robinson or God forbid Henry Armstrong have won titles in?
Armstrong certainly would have won at 126,130,135,140,147, and 154. He legitimately won 126,147, and 135 and held them at the same time.
I use the original 8 weight classes to cut thru the FMJ bull s__t of 10 titles in 5 divisions
boxinginfo 2 years ago
i see wat your saying
although i dont like that earlier champions dont get recognized as 6 division champs and modern fighters do because of it
it also kind of makes modern fighters that won titles at multiple divisions seem lesser fighters
and it also keeps DLH up there with all those greats you named because he won titles at lightweight, welterweight, and middleweight
i think arguello or chavez should be seen as better fighters than DLH even if he won titles in more weight classes
XXXMasterP69XXX 2 years ago
XXXMaster = Throw that WBO 160 belt right out the window, he couldn't make 1 successful defense, he promptly lost it to the Linear Champ in the division.
Chavez and Arguello were definitely better all time than DLH and so is Pacquiao,
For me, going back to the original 8 weight divisions is one of the truest ways of comparing the boxers of the past with those of the present. Reason, more people fall into those original 8 weight classes naturally.
boxinginfo 2 years ago
great job on the list. why the f*** aren't u in espn!!!! btw u kinda look like taylor hicks.... lol!!! ur channel is the best, i love ur inputs and opinions or insights and whatnot... great job!!! great job!!! great job!!!
scrapmonkey 2 years ago
I think Hatton's fans are overrating Ricky. He's not all that and what you have been hearing about Hatton is untrue. Paul M. said that: He hate to say it because it makes him sound bitter but Hatton is not this monster that they are making him out to be, Hatton really hasn't changed all that much with Mayweather Sr. either. Like he said, he will be pulling for Ricky because he is a real cool guy, but Pacquiao will stop him.
boxinboxout1 2 years ago
Let's hope you're right, I'm gunning for Pacman, but I don't see this as a walk in the park for Pacman as most people are thinking this will be. I think Hatton is a tough fighter, I don't see this quite so easy. Just going to have to see tomorrow.
jojoagj 2 years ago
lol, and sorry to bother you again, but just a question on boxing injuries. Nonito Donaire Jr, is always reported to injure his left hand during his fights, in his fight with Mathalane, he had to turn southpaw because his hand was bothering him, and after his fights I always hear that his hands are bothered by the injury. In boxers careers, can this hinder training and more importantly a boxers career. How serious can these be? lol, promise I won't post any more questions now, thanks boxinginfo
jojoagj 2 years ago
jojoagj- yes yes and again yes to your questions. I think that a boxer needs 2 things. 1st a guy like DLH had to take care of his hands Joe Chavez. Oscar had hand problems back in the 1990's not so much lately. 2nd they need to start a treatment program like FMJ does between fights as well as seek out the equipment that will protect their hands the best ex. Winning for Erik Morales and FMJ. Grant for others, etc.
boxinginfo 2 years ago
I think Nonito will be stubborn to turn to Winning, and I think that him turning to Winning will take away from his punching power, what do you think? But I understand the need to turn to Winning with his conditions of his hands, I just don't think he will.
jojoagj 2 years ago
Oh, btw boxinginfo, your thoughts on Pancho Villa had he not died at such an early age, what do you think he's career would have been had he not died so early? and your thoughts on others boxers who have died so young and could have been boxing greats had their lives not been cut so short? salvador sanchez, diego corrales?
jojoagj 2 years ago
jojoagi - I think Pancho Villa would have reigned supreme at 112 and had massive fights up and down the weight chart up to 135 with McClarnin, Canzoneri, and Ross.
Sanchez was just as tragic only b/c he was already in his prime and most knew what he was capable of.
Diego Corrales was on the downslide no matter what anybody says RIP.
Marcel Cerdan the best boxer to ever come out of France and maybe continental Europe killed in a plane crash. Look him up on boxrec really impressive.
boxinginfo 2 years ago
Hey boxinginfo, great video uploads btw, always interested in what you have to say. Are there any current Filipino boxers (not including Pacquiao) that particularly catch your eye? What do you think of Bernabe Concepcion, AJ Banal, Nonito Donaire? and do you think we will have to wait for another boxing great from the Philippines? and can Filipino boxers stay in boxing and make a name for themselves. Your thoughts, thanks dude, look forward to more video uploads
jojoagj 2 years ago
Absolutely Nonito Donaire, I think he may be more technically sound at this age than Pacquiao was when he was Donaire's age.
boxinginfo 2 years ago
@ boxinginfo
Will pacquiao be officially recognized as 5 division champion if ever he beats Hatton??
Coz i think they're fighting for the IBO/Ring belt which is not a major abc belt..
bryanzki87 2 years ago
yes he will.
OkrayKaSakin 2 years ago
no he wont
XXXMasterP69XXX 2 years ago
bryanzki87- 112, 122, 126, 130, 135, possibly 140. These are titles not linear championships. Or shall I say its the FMJ/ODH way of counting titles and divisions.
The really important thing to remember is :112,126,135 - 3 of the original 8, Floyd can't say that Alexis Arguello or Chavez Sr. can't say that either. At best JMM has won only 2 of the original 8.
A title at 147 makes REAL BOXING HISTORY!
REMEMBER YOU HEARD THIS HEAR FIRST!
boxinginfo 2 years ago
wow.... im a filipino but even i dont know who pancho villa is
enj25 2 years ago
Stork, great job! you need a show to just talk about the original 8 titles/weigth classes. Good stuff!
conde357 2 years ago
Stork, Pacquiao technically didn't win anything when he beat barrera. I know Barrera was the lineal champion who has WBC and ring champion when Pacquiao beat him but it was a non-title fight. I know even Doug Fisher disagrees with it too. He consider Pacquiao as 5 division world champion counting barrera's featherweight belt.
aznvedz 2 years ago
aznvedz- Pacquiao may have had the WBO or some belt but look at it this way. Barrera schooled Hamed WBO who KO'd Robinson(WBO) KO'd Boom Boom Johnson (IBF) won a wide decision over Cesar Soto (WBC) and stopped Wilfredo Vazquez (WBA). All of those guys held those titles at the time Hamed beat them even if they were stripped for fighting him they were the titleists, therefore Hamed in my mind was the Undisputed Featherweight Champion and then Barrera was and then Pacquiao. That's the lineage.
boxinginfo 2 years ago
do you think pacquiao even have a chance against any of the welterweight champion? Berto, mosley, cotto, clottey? Pac should have fought in bantam and win a belt there...too bad and too late.
aznvedz 2 years ago
aznvedz- At this point in time the answer is YES, now that can all change by Sunday morning even in victory if it's not a real clean one. But I think he can beat Berto and Mosley ain't getting any younger. Clottey may be too big but something just doesn't impress me about him, and Cotto I'm not sure. I'll know more on Sunday morning.
boxinginfo 2 years ago
this top 5 list is awesome you should do them for usa, mexico, uk and japan
coolviet55 2 years ago
Thx coolviet55!
boxinginfo 2 years ago
Great vid.. very objective..
hopefully you can do a top 10 list of greatest asian boxers.
BTW what happened to your storkjmc channel sir?
jun813 2 years ago 2
jun813 - It got suspended back in January.
boxinginfo 2 years ago
could we have the greatest european or british fighters in your opinion for a video?
cus069 2 years ago
cus069- Maybe if I get the time I'll remake that one as well. Jimmy Wilde was #1 on the British video that got lost in the suspension.
boxinginfo 2 years ago
Do you think Donaire will ever make the list?
lemonite1 2 years ago
lemonite1- Donaire is going to have to do 1 of 2 things. 1.Run off a bunch of title defenses and some level of unification at 112. Or 2. play what I think is the over rated move up in weight game and win titles at 115 and a t least 118.
boxinginfo 2 years ago
How come you think jumping up in weight is over-rated? Isn't it better that he moves up in weight to fight the more exciting fights in say Montiel, and that Donaire has no more to prove at 112
jojoagj 2 years ago
jojoagj-Its over rated in the sense that he already fights in one of the original 8 weight classes Flyweight the one Pancho Villa was champion. 15-20 title defenses in one of these divisions like Bernard Hopkins did at 160 goes a long way for history sake.
At 112 right now there is a 15 title defense champion named Omar Narvaez of Argentina the WBO, Daisuke Naito and Wongjonkam of the WBC, as well as the other Thai fighter who just won the WBA belt from Sakata. There's 4 more intriguing bouts.
boxinginfo 2 years ago
penalosa is 36 yrs going 37 yrs plus has to move up in weight to face lopez and penalosa two controversial loss to In-Joo Cho was a home town decision and his two defeats with Masamori Tokuyama was also a home town decision
pancho villa died at the age of 23 yrs not 24 yrs
and his never been K.O.
taarbon 2 years ago
Donaire also has problems making weight at 112, so that's why he's so game with moving up in weight
jojoagj 2 years ago
A Pacquiao Hamed fight woulda' been crazy. Hamed might have been just awkward enough to give Pacman a hard time. Plus, Hamed had speed and power. Pacquiao has too many tools for Hamed, I think Barrera already proved that.....
lemonite1 2 years ago
another great vid, you should have done it with the other guy you did it with, months ago. where is that guy??? BTW Elorde fought Gomes on march 16 1960 it was the inagural fight for the Araneta Colliseum, where Thrilla in Manila was held.
misayde 2 years ago
i think wilde had been out of action for around 3 years prior to him taking the fight with villa.
biltastic 2 years ago
It's unbelievable to think that if Pacquiao beats Hatton, he could find himself fighting Mayweather and Cotto either late this year and early next. In the early part of last year, those fights would have been inconceivable. He really is a once-in-a-lifetime fighter, and it's funny how he sort of snuck up on us as an all-time legend. Even if he loses fights to Mayweather and Cotto, it would in no way tarnish legacy, as he'd lose only to some of the very best, and both much bigger than him.
SalvyMic 2 years ago 2
OPBF meant something 20 years ago
dieallday 2 years ago
dieallday- that was before we the people let the WBA and and the other organizations start making interim champions and WBC Continental titles and all that BS. NABF, USBA, OPBF, EBU (15 rounders) actually groomed fighters for title shots.
Duk Koo Kim I think was the OPBF 135lb champ before he got his fatal shot at Mancini.
boxinginfo 2 years ago