@79tazman I doubt that you like people to use blanket statements about atheists, such as painting you all as Stalinists, Maoists, Pol Pot-like, Kim Jung Il-like who were responsible for the millions of murders done in the name of godless Communism.
@55k3v1n Good point. I'm atheist, but I'm inclined to agree with you. It's ultimately extremism / fanaticism that leads to war and suffering, and in turn suffering breeds extremism, which, as you've pointed out, is by no means exclusively a religious phenomena. I like to think the majority of people just want to get along, and live in peace irrespective of their differences in beliefs.
@shwaro73 It would be awesome if all people thought as you do. I have friends who share in my faith as well as atheists and those of other faiths. Disagreeing should never lead to hatred nor should we have to be people pleasers in order to maintain friendships. Some demand that others agree with there views, and if you don't, they'll be labeled all sorts of things. They automatically equate disagreeing with hatred.
Would someone who never heard of the bible, pick it up, read it, then say, "Thats all true" Of course not, you have to be coerced or conjoled into believing it, because none of it is based in reality.
Introduce the bible at a young age, to a failed and confused, homosexual Erich von Däniken, discharge him from the military, fire him from his job and allow him to meet a crazy nurse in a psychiatric hospital and you have Marshall Applewhite. Feed him impressionable people of the likes on youtube that look in to his eyes and see a great man with wise words and you have Heavens Gate. Perfect recipe of ignorance and blind faith, that only religion twisted on aliens can provide.
These people were munipalated by some crazy, sick foggot freak! ENOUGH SAID! Anyone who takes this Applewhite man or this suicide seriously should have kicked the bucket right along with those freaks. FUCK THIS BULLSHIT!
virgin birth and ufo birth are both unbelievable. Religions are constantly defending themselves. Why would you have to defend truth? Answer: you don't. Truth just is, it doesn't need a defence.
@philosophergenius Precisely... So we'll just let these deluded idiots continue to make their stupid and retarded trolls over something they don't even want to "begin" to understand - the bunch of "epic trolling retards" on this page that they are with their childish remarks...
let's face it, there weren't any LOOKERS willing to top themselves. It's easy to contemplate suicide if you're best chance of a bit of sexual friction is scrubbin your genitals with am ex-foliating scrubber!
Mary was impregnated by space invaders...I watch History Channel's Ancient Aliens but it doesn't compel me ride Wonder Woman's invisible jetplane to follow a comet to go "home". Too much trouble but I'll spend my energy building a time machine.
@VixieVaporous If Jesus wasn't so "above and beyond human" and the opposite of how he portrayed by religions I would agree, but because of all he said but more importantly what Do said was that he felt the vehicle the Soul from the Next Level came into, named Jesus was prepared to have a greater capasity ot host a Next Level mind, to understand better certain things, etc. They are NOT invaders though. They own the planet and all of us while Luciferians try to take credit and pose as them.
@VixieVaporous : What an ignorant and hateful suggestion to say about Mary! Didn`t you ever read Matthew, Marc, Luke and John? Moreover, if you humble yourself, GOD might just show you this mystery...He did it for me, but I did not confront HIM and treat HIS HOLINESS in an idiotic and blasphemous way neither. What ever time machine you are bldg, it better be STRONG because SOON this Planet will rattle and roll on atheist trying to play god. Oh crap.
@VixieVaporous You are partly correct. It's highly possible that Mary was taken aboard a ufo & impregnated by extra terrestrials. It wasn't a silly fairy tale "virgin birth". That's ridiculous. Jesus was a regular man until his baptism when he received the Next Level mind soul (Holy Spirit). Christians say he was perfect - having powers since he was an infant. Nonsense. If that were the case, he would not have needed to be baptized by John the Baptizer. Christians (Paulians) have it all wrong.
@Mobee211 I agree. It wasn't some silly 'fairy tale' virgin birth, like so many deluded Christian leaders think. Then again, these same men, who claim to believe Christ but worship "Paul" - who wrote 13 out of 27 books of the New Testament, think Heaven is an 'etherial place' where angels fly around with 'wings'. If Heaven was spiritual, containing souls of once living things, how can they wear white robes? Clothes are non living tissue nor do they contain energy, therefor they can't be etheric.
This is no stranger than Christianity and other organised religions. In fact in many ways it's more reasonable than Christian dogma that advocated slavery, misgyny and genocide among other things.
@clumpft You don't need religion for people to be corrupt and do evil things. The basic philosophy behind Christianity and many other teachings and major religions is pure. Our humanity stains it (look at politics) To think that there is something inherently evil with the Christian belief system because people who claim the title of "Christian" (translating as "christ-like'' the same christ that taught and preached love, peace, and acceptance) In other words, no this is not more reasonable.
True however religion is no 1. cause to make good people do terrible things.
Religion robs humans of humanity, morality, reason, critical thinking.
It makes people more arrogant, ignorant and immoral.
Christianity teaches that Christians are the only ones who know the ultimate truth that others who dont follow them burn forever and that whatever god says is moral (might makes right/divine command) it also claims that this life is nothing but a testing ground.
While I don't entirely disagree with your /opinion/ religion is a subjective concept; not objective. You can't say that it's religion -considering what most teach- is solely what brings out the worst in people.
If you want to be subjective about it; religion is what keeps most of the people who from doing something horrible. One could argue that religion may be a catalyst for bad behavior, but does more good than harm by ensuring that most of the participants stay on good behavior.
@PetiteMouse What is your evidence for that? The ACTUAL evidence I have seen shows that christians have a higher rate of divorce and incarceration than atheists. You see that is what many religious people do, make stuff up off the top of their heads. They are used to just believing things on "faith" so what is true becomes unimportant. They believe they are tapped into god so they can make stuff up and it will be right. Religion is a disease of the mind.
@ultim4t32 I agree with you that is ACTUAL evidence, unfortunately the rate is higher because such a huge percentage of the world considers themselves christian (regardless of denomination) there are more religious people than atheists. It has little to do with belief systems and more to do with the individual person. ex: Have you seen how many gang members have cross tattoos? If they lived their lives by the faith they claimed, they wouldn't be in a gang that caused them to go to jail.
@ultim4t32 My argument is that it is humanity that finds fault in humanity. Give and take any religion out of the mix and you still get people who make choices based on pure evil. I also did make sure to use the word "subjective" because it is impossible to properly accuse or disavow religion of any fault at all when it comes to evil. Despite all this I still stand by my initial statement; it's impossible to say that being religious makes you a corrupt person. ignorant even. Look at Stalin.
@PetiteMouse Most people make choices based on selfish motives not evil. There are a select few evil people in the world but most people are just selfish. I do not think religion is at the root of all evil but I do think that the thinking involved in having "faith" is damaging to one's ability to reason effectively. That could become a problem.
@PetiteMouse You don't necessarily NEED religion to do evil things, but it is about the ONLY way to make good people do evil things. Religion teaches people to disregard their brains and follow someone. There is no god so people end up following a person. Religion is the oldest mind control technique and that is all.
@clumpft Than other beliefs. It's just as ignorant to generalize and cast aside entire belief systems as it is to try and warp, twist, and shove bastardizations of these beliefs down the throats of others. Which is something sadly that many religious people do.
@DJSexLeopard Good to see someone who is not so fearful of allowing them to have what they wanted without ridicule and hatred and what many love to dish out largely because they are probabily bored and/or angry.
I understand how many see these students & think they are geeky, dorky, wierd as they certainly were all those things but it was because they had detached, as much as could be expected, from their entire human kingdom behavior & ways, likes/dislikes, habits, addictions, mindsets, self centerededness and sensuality to in a real sense become like little children, dead to the human world, having extinguised all their sensuality and washed their brains of human thinking, thus were ready to exit.
@mrshixaction Unless you want to be in trouble with continuing to be human & you KNOW by experience, pastlife even & past in terms of their current physical vehicular incarnation. Under Jesus direction if what Jesus said means anything to you, (not what the religious say about Jesus), you MUST be seen as in "trouble" as you put it - be rejected by even many of the members of your own family but hated in the same way Jesus was hated as in his day he was certainly seen as a dangerous cult leader.
@mrshixaction Now the Luciferian Space "fallen angel" aliens twist everything up for human consumption so that some religious cheer when people act hatefully towards them. But this is a twist because they often stimulate that hate by getting into peoples faces, condeming them and their actions, like they have that right because Jesus did when they aren't close to Jesus perspective and authority. The current idea of Jesus when it comes to all the specifics doesn't resemble the real person.
@mrshixaction This perspective of Jesus also points out the popular idea of late that the entire Jesus story was made up to control people or lure them. If that was so, then why is it that nearly 100% of the people who claim to be his followers (or followers of the fictitious story) aren't following any of the details of the main character in it. It's because this way Jesus can be popularized & profited by while steering people against what He really said calling it cultish. A Luciferian ploy.
@Apfitt from what research I've gathered from various internet sources, the nike tick symbolises (vaguely resembles) the comet that was the "sign" that Do was waiting for
@Apfitt The slogan of Nike then was "Just do it". They were responding to feeling it was time to just do it & it has this double meaning, a frequent way the Next Level does things with words for human digestion, that was "just Do (as in the name of their Older Member/Heavenly Father, Parent/midwife from the literal heaven's (outerspace) it", in other words, "do it for Do" whom they had extended all their trust to & who authorized their following with him in exiting at that time and in that way.
@Apfitt I'd never heard anything about the Nike symbol looking or representing a comet. It certainly could have and they could have also enjoyed that symbol looking like a comet, but from mrshixaction's comment to you it could have sounded like They indicated that was the reason they laid down their lives which was certainly not the case and I know having been with them dedicated for 19 years as my video's evidence. The comet was the timing "sign/token" just as Jesus said would occur.
@nilima77 The usual one dimensionally pathetic comment. Only a person of bloated self esteem & ignorance would make such a pathetic & childish statement. Maybe their beliefs & what they stood for is too sophisticated for you. Correction, it IS too sophisticated for you, hence your comment..
Some thing about these people's faces is wrong. It is like they had teeth removed. Maybe some of them were taking small doses of the poison with hopes to immunize themselves to the final drink?
@evildnalor Not a chance as I was with them for 19 years and I also have missing teeth. They were not trying to get out of doing what they knew they were about to do. The ones who had reservations left, were asked to leave, were ordered to leave (temporarily or for as long as they wanted, though didn't have the option to return unless Do granted it them, which he did not always do). Their discontinuence of human activity did wear on them & they couldn't afford routine root canal/cap work.
@MrMeineNamen Then why are so many destroying themselves including 99.999% of those who claim to be so godly? I understand the difficulty w/ their actions for you. If you consider they were the "second coming" you would really be on the god hot seat with yourself and all you relate to. It's fearful! I actually experienced that in coming back to being an "active student" again as though I left never disbelieved in them. But I had a daughter in 1997, thus became tied but Do still accepted me back.
@3spm 99.9% whos butt did you pull that statistic out of... my comment meant God didnt make man just so we can kill ourselves right after... it doesnt have some deeper meaning. If you accept Jesus than you are saved. man cannot save himself
@MrMeineNamen I was just estimating. I'd bet it's pretty close but could be wrong. Of course God didn't make man to JUST kill ourselves but nor did God made man to want to remain a human mammalian. The Human kingdom is a stepping stone/footstool for some humans to voluntarily reach for the kingdom above human, termed the kingdom of God in the heavens. What does accepting Jesus mean? Why did Jesus say that not everyone that called on the name of the Lord would be saved? What's the criteria?
@MrMeineNamen Why was it that all Jesus direct students left ALL behind to literally follow Jesus around everywhere he went? Why did Jesus say over and over that all those that try to "save their lives in this world, would lose it in the next"?. What did the terms Life and death mean to Jesus? Wasn't the physical body actually expendible ONLY when we are "giving" it for the sake of the "will of our Heavenly Father" as Jesus demonstrated? WE MUST drink the same cup he showed us how to drink!
@MrMeineNamen Now if you are a believer/followers of the country club religious Jesus then you'll get that reward. But if you want to really know the real Jesus, then you MAY get the reward the real deal offerred those that put their money where their mouth was. (not really money but efforts/substance/heart and soul). By the way, God did create us to die, did he not. He even said, we'd get no more than about 120 years, after the flood, thus our death sentence was generally pre-ordained/destined.
@inorbit30 That's what real belief/trust meant to Jesus as well, which is why he said to his disciples they would drink the same cup he drank & be baptized w/ the same baptism he was baptized with, which was basically sacrificing one's physical body by telling the truth to those who hated to hear it. The difference this time was they were ready to repeat that lesson but came at a time when society had been advanced to allow divese views in the new nation so little danger of being killed for it.
@YoungDrivenForDreams Sorry, they all had friends plenty in one another. They lived very happily here. I was with them for 19 years. However, they had to work hard to discard all their otherwise normal human ways and behaviour to have that happiness. That's why Do even offerred $1000.00 for anyone to leave in around 1990, because the lifestyle did become quite comfortible though the students by then didn't care about comforts and such which is why they could have them.
@cherryhollowboy Actually I would agree that many or most of the religious are not thinking for themselves, but there is a great deal of evidence that no humans are really thinking for themselves that much as what humans are, are computer systems that grow that when dead remain as like a mental snapshot programmed object, termed a "spirit" that seeks to "live" by influencing existing humans according to the host living humans allowing them to share head space/action time. These discarded those.
Applewhite had cancer and was going to die soon anyway. He just did not want to die on his own. So he took his people with him by lying to them about a comet hiding a spacecraft. What a twat.
@The24547377 I always thought that his depression/anxiety and paranoia was getting to him and he wanted to end his life, never heard the cancer thing before.
@starkiller20293 Sorry, I knew the man for 19 years. Those stories of his depression, anxiety and paranoia were distorted and exaggerated and some of which were bred from the days before he met Ti (Nettles, the Rev. 12 woman, he recognized to be his Heavenly FAther He termed His Older Member), the same soul that was with Jesus helping him and with Moses helping him, Do being the same soul as had incarnated into Moses and Jesus. My video channel evidences this.
@starkiller20293 Of course they can & often don't know they are, but it's all too easy to just brand someone with such a condition so they an be written off because we fear looking at the weightier issues and examples. Jim Jones & David Koresh don't hold a candle to Do & Ti & the fact that you have TWO theorectially equally insane or depressed has to boggle the minds of psychoanalysts. Of course like scientists, shrinks need to sound like they know so they say it and for many it becomes gospel.
@The24547377 This was a lie put out to turn people from seeing Him/they for who they really are and I can prove it by 24 years of their history which I was a part of for 19 and you can see on my youtube channel if you dare and they even stated that it didn't matter to them whether or not there was a companion with the comet as the comet was simply the marker/token/sign for exit they were looking for. You can still see that at heavensgate(dot)com . However Do may have had cancer, most of us do.
@LIVINGONTHEDOLE "Accurate"? To whom. Calling me out for what I am? That's a nice try to twist it all around but you called my friends a bunch of "boarder (sic) line retards" and then called me a "rude cunt" (nice sexist comment BTW) when you got challenged on it. Do you always derive your feelings of self-worth from pathetic attempts to belittle others? This is another sign of a childish mental attitude. It's fascinating how many youtube users spend all their energy judging others.
@LIVINGONTHEDOLE You come on here and call individuals you know nothing about "retards" and then you have the temerity to call me a "rude cunt" after your rudeness gets called out. You might want to try a little positivity in your life rather than getting your rocks off by hurling highly ignorant insults. And calling people "retards" is what those with the mental aptitude of children engage in and I'm guessing it's why you got so upset, because it's a little too close to the truth for you.
@LIVINGONTHEDOLE You come on here and call individuals you know nothing about "retards" and then you have the temerity to call me a "rude cunt" after your rudeness gets called out. You might want to try a little positivity in your life rather than getting your rocks off by hurling highly ignorant insults. And calling people "retards" is what those with the mental aptitude of children engage in and I'm guessing it's why you got so upset, because it's a little too close to the truth for you.
I'm been communicating with someone down below who said wikapedia says applewhite met nettles while he was a patient in a psychiactric hospital which is not what Do said. However I may have stumbled on the whole truth. It may well be that The "male friend" Do said he was visiting when he met Nettles(Ti) was actually in the psychiactric ward where Ti was subbing for another nurse as her assignment was talking care of premie babies. I still don't know this but it makes some sense.
@3spm Rob Balch had researched this and stated the same thing that Do had said, that He met Ti while he was visiting a friend in a hospital. Do had said on one of the tapes that she had come into the room to administer some prescription to a patient and that she also was looking after infants in another ward so it seems like it was a conventional, rather than a psychiatric hospital.
@crlody1 Funny, that I recently was reviewing old articles and one was quoting Rob that it was a psychiactric hospital, but we all know how things get twisted in the media and especially when their influences want lots of reasons to build a case against. Plus I suppose Rob might have said that at one point but then researched it further and like you said determined Do's story was truthful. The last thing Do would do is lie. He had no reason to do so. Of course that's hard for most to recognize.
@3spm Have you ever lied about something at anytime in your life? I ask this because you say Applewhite would never lie or have any reason to lie, but people will lie or do things like lie for all sorts of reasons whether it be personal reasons or otherwise... I'm not suggesting he did lie but the possibility is there.... to say that he had no reason to lie or the last thing he would do is lie is a conclusive statement.... i'm not arguing with you & I respect your beliefs...
@ogrebattle22763 I meant, after his awakening and pertaining to things he told the entire group of students, some of which he knew would not be his student to the full distance. He was very protective of his credability because he knew how people would crucify him for any infraction making it harder for some to come to at least "consider" He and Ti were whom they said they were. Now, he did tell "white" lies. For instance for years he didn't have a drivers licence but drove & used assumed names.
@ogrebattle22763 However, I don't care to convince you of anything, really! That's not a lie at all. I'm only following up with you on the One point in the claim/accusation that he was deranged and/or beside himself or whatever it was you said or quoted from some article. Of course this all looks crazy, but looks are not often what we think they are, though if one has little or no experiences to teach that, it doesn't make sense and looks like jusifications.
@3spm Have you ever lied about something at anytime in your life? I ask this because you say Applewhite would never lie or have any reason to lie, but people will lie or do things like lie for all sorts of reasons whether it be personal reasons or otherwise... I'm not suggesting he did lie but the possibility is there.... to say that he had no reason to lie or the last thing he would do is lie is a conclusive statement.... i'm not arguing with you & I respect your beliefs.
@adiostraitorobama There's nothing to join anyway. They are gone. I think the raelians are sex addicts, not that billions aren't but they tie it into aliens they worship, the best of both worlds.
BUAHAHHAHHHAHHHHAAA! ALL OF EM LOOK LIKE WEIRD GEEKS..REJECTS!! RUDE AWAKENING WHEN THEY FIND THEM SELVES IN HELL! BURNING FOR ALL TIME AND ETERNITY..THERE GOES UR SPACE SHIP BUDDY...PSYCO! Do not be a fool--why die before your time?" (Ecclesiastes 7:17)
@1kaitae First off, what was the circumstance in the Ecclesiastes quote & who was talking. I beleive in Jesus not David or whoever was saying that, though I'm not saying it's not a valid point. After all, "before your time" means what? Did Jesus die before his time? Did he have to arrange to be apprehened knowing it would result in his body being put to death? No. HE DECIDED IT WAS HIS TIME. These decided it was their time. But you also might consider Jesus definition of life & death...con't
@1kaitae con't...Jesus definition of Life was meeting the strict (rod) qualifications to receive membership in his world(kingdom) that was NOT of this human world but was nonetheless real and physical (many dwelling places) - no place to lay their head (as they arn't terrestrial anymore) (not to be confused with space aliens, who are all human equivilent terrestrial beings) & was "eternal". Death was not connecting to his family tree, thus dieing physically AND in the 2nd Death - spiritually.
@3spm Do (Doe) also specified that "life & death" was meant in the Bible as a spiritual term and not a literal one. He mentioned that "life & death" are referred to the soul & not the vehicle that the soul occupies. It is my understanding that human vehicles (vessels/bodies) are only meant as containers for NL souls or Luci souls to incarnate into. When I hear people speak of individuality, that's a crock. Individuality was not a true Christian or Jewish term. "Individuality" is a Hindu term..
@1kaitae What many people are confused by is in thinking they are in the exact same frame of mind as these who laid down their lives when 99.99999999999% are NOT, thus for these it would be suicide and insane and stupid with one exception that I believe would be very rare. Observing this, they would have to realize that Do and Ti and students were exactly who they said they were and couldn't stand to not go to wherever they were going with them, as Do said was an open door for a while...con't...
@1kaitae There were 3 who did feel this way & layed down their lives in 1998 in the same kind of way but these 3 knew Ti & Do personally from 1975 but because of their difficulty learning the lessons while in their experiential "classroom" wern't with them then. One known as Oscar asked to join the group after living without them but wanting to rejoin them for some 22 years having first joined in 1975. Do said he couldn't join them but could live near othes who were believers outside the group.
@1kaitae I said I'm not dead because Do has made it clear to me, through dreams of him that He can use me and that I am required to "give my life" which leaves me the option(Do's way) on how and when and to what degree to give my life to Him in His Kingdom. While a member I thought myself fully committed to the end of the vehicles (my body's) life, even to do what they did, but I've learned since I was not where they were at in love for Do. I was too into myself even after 19 years with them.
@1kaitae Now this does not mean I can assume that when my body expires by whatever means that I have anything more than a chance that my Soul, (like an organ the Kingdom of God gives as seeds to those humans that want and ask for it, and demonstrate that want by opening up to, at this time Ti & Do as the so called "second coming" (not saying they won't return one last time, though not "undercover") will be saved/kept on ice (so to speak) to be brought back for a new chance to overcome humanness.
@1kaitae And if I changed my tune & started to talk against Ti and Do or tell people there is not a Physical Evolutionary Level Above Human (above space alien human equivilents) aka the Kingdom of God from the literal heaven's, then I would be siding with "mammon" (greek mammonous), Luciferians fallen angel space aliens, which is basically Human Kingdom Worship that includes human forms of wealth, money, things, fame, intellect, talent, spiritual understanding, religiosity, etc.) & I'd be DEAD.
@1kaitae I understand how many can see these students and think they are geeky or dorky, wierd as they certainly were all those things but it was because they had detached as much as could be expected from their entire human kingdom behavior and ways, likes/dislikes, habits, addictions, mindsets, self centerededness to in a real sense become like little children, dead to the human world, having extinguised all their sensuality and washed their brains of human thinking, thus were ready to exit.
@3spm First off, what was the circumstance in the Ecclesiastes quote and who was talking. I beleive in Jesus not David or whoever was saying that, though I'm not saying it's not a valid point. After all, "before your time" means what? Did Jesus die before his time? Did he have to arrange to be apprehened knowing it would result in his body being put to death? No. HE DECIDED IT WAS HIS TIME. These decided it was their time. But you also might consider Jesus definition of life & death...con't...
@3spm con't...Jesus definition of Life was meeting the strict (rod) qualifications to receive membership in his world(kingdom) that was NOT of this human world but was nonetheless real and physical (many dwelling places) - no place to lay their head (as they arn't terrestrial anymore) (not to be confused with space aliens, who are all human equivilent terrestrial beings) & was "eternal". Death was not connecting to his family tree, thus dieing physically AND in the 2nd Death - spiritually.
@100cjkennedy They did and I saw them in a dream early this morning and they were on their way back. The world is going in exactly the path Ti and Do said it would which began in earnest following their departure, initially in 1997 and then away from Earth by 2008 as I have many dreams to testify to. I was with them for 19 years and have lots of evidence that they were exactly who they said they were, The Father, Jesus and their saints returned as promised for harvest time.
I remember hearing about The Heavens Gate cult killing themselves & it was just another example of how people can be so easliy taken in by twisted people like Applewhite who have really disturbing personal backgrounds... I wonder if any of these cult members even knew about this guys past or anything about him really...
@ogrebattle22763 Yes we knew of Do's (applewhites) past but what did you hear about him that was so disturbing. I know he dropped out of seminary, was in the military in communications, becamse a music director, was an opera singer, married and raised children, then divorsed and found himself to be gay inclined though eventually, before meeting Ti (bonnie) was fed up with all sexual relationships. I can't confirm or deny he was in a psyciactric hospital but know he didn't meet bonnie in one.
@3spm Look it up for yourself Wikipedia him..... He was in fact in a hospital you say you can't confirm that but that is not true... you also say he never met his counterpart in the hospital that is also not true...
@3spm Why are you saying that you can't confirm that he was in a Psychiatric Hospital when this is well documented... you are claiming that you know he didn't meet Bonnie in one & that is also well documented... so what you are saying isn't adding up...
@3spm I 'm curious when other people who show interest in the cult ask questions regarding Applewhite's past do you tell them the same thing? Because if you claim that you can't confirm these things about him or her for that matter your not telling the truth...
@ogrebattle22763 Do told us the story of his meeting Nettles several times & wrote about it in the document 88update.txt, available at heavensgate(dot)com and my blog sawyerhg(dot)wordpress(dot)com . He said he was "visiting a male friend" who was in the hospital where Ti, as a nurse took another's shift as her assignment was in the premie baby ward in this houston hospital. Ti never worked in a psychiactic hospital so that is collaboration of Do's story. Plus Do had no reason to lie.
@ogrebattle22763 If he wasn't going to lie about that, why would he tell us that prior to meeting Ti he had homosexual relationships, though that's not in 88update though he makes mention of the "male" friend. And what's to be ashamed about, if he had at some point checked himself into a psychiactric hospital as was reported, and especially if it was because he wasn't happy with his sexual choices? He didn't tell these stories to us until around 1988, 12 years after we'd been faithful students.
@ogrebattle22763 He did not tell us much detail of many aspects of his life. Around that time he told us this, he confronted us with a consideration: He said, "what if I'm not from the KIngdom of God? What if I'm just someone who wants to be or has good intentions". Now some could say, he felt guilty and wanted to try to get rid of his students but, you know, there is always someone who comes up with their psychology on things that happen. I know people think the students were victims.
@ogrebattle22763 You said, "Gee I wonder why he didn't tell you or give you much detail about his life..." Is that sarcastic? You have your mind made up that he was hiding things so not to lose his students and that he was insane/psychotic, etc. I know that is the prevelent view and pertaining to human norms certainly was insane as was Jesus and as was Moses and as must be any true member of the creators kingdom. But even talk of spirt is insane to some & talk of conspiracies is insane to some.
@ogrebattle22763 re: where Do met Ti subject: I was re-reading old articles and one suggested without providing souces that Ti was actually subbing for another nurse in the houston hospital's psychiactric ward as her assignment was talking care of premie babies. I still don't know this but it makes some sense.
@ogrebattle22763 I just don't have the time/energy to try to answer all your questions. I understand that this is probably near meaningless to your life, thus just a little casual chatting and that's fine but it's not that for me. The areas that are inaccurate are insignificant anyway. If you've had any experience with media and human ways, you KNOW humans make lots of assumptions though state things with authority and are mostly absolute and judgemental so slant things as they see fit.
@3spm Did it ever occur to you or the rest of his followers that maybe the man had much more serious issues mentally & emotionally then he was willing to share or reveal?
@ogrebattle22763 I knew Ti and Do's claims were seen as insane by most. When I joined in 1975, by October I was moreorless on my own with a partner going town to town telling about them. I was hitchhiking for much of the next 6 months without any contact with Ti and Do or others who had joined. If Do told me at any point that he had been in a psychiactic hosptal, even because he thought he was jesus or to conquer drug addiction or homosexuality, it would not have swayed me. I was not unusual.
@3spm Well tell me this.... did you see anything wrong with he taking his life & asking his followers to follow him in killing themselves? Because its one thing to have followers - follow his path in a life of peace & quiet if that's what they chose to do but then take them in such an extreme opposite direction as to convince them that killing themselves was somehow all ok & that they were better off dead then on this planet is just not ok do you see where I'm going with this...
@ogrebattle22763 What I can't confirm is whether that story of the psychiactric hospital was made up, assumed, because they did meet in a hospital, (to make him look insane, to go with what to most was an insane action), or because he actually had been in one at some point prior to meeting Ti or after meeting Ti. Yes I do generally say the same thing but this is the most I've talked about the psychiactic hospital. I need to update wikipedia. There's a bunch in there that's innaccurate.
@3spm Right.... it's interesting because first you said that you knew for sure that he didn't meet Bonnie aka Ti in the hospital when in fact that is where they met... now your saying that you can't confirm any of his or her history & that his history with the hospital might be made up? Yeah ok....
@ogrebattle22763 Why do you care, your mind is made up and that's fine with me. I don't want you to be any other way and there are some that will actually have had enough life experience and observation to discern more reality from illusion and deception that dominates the human population while most want to continue in their comfortable ignorance. This world will escalate in troubles til nearly all flesh is gone. So enjoy your mockery for as long as you can.
@3spm I'm not mocking you why are you getting defensive it's your choice to believe what you want to believe as I I am just asking you what inaccuracies you mean?
@ogrebattle22763 crlody1 said, "Rob Balch had researched this and stated the same thing that Do had said, that He met Ti while he was visiting a friend in a hospital. Do had said on one of the tapes that she had come into the room to administer some prescription to a patient and that she also was looking after infants in another ward so it seems like it was a conventional, rather than a psychiatric hospital". Balch is considered the most knowledgeable non-believer, a professor at U of Montana.
@3spm I never heard of him but I'll look him up & see if there's any credibility about him or what he says... But Applewhite claimed that he was a visitor visiting a friend... & that he never checked himself into this psychiatric hospital which was documented about him... well who knows really.... A friend of mine did bring up an interesting point which I will share with you & that is most hospital whether it be general or pychiatric don't give out or release information of any kind about people
Religion is a bad thing it has started wars since the begining of time and cults are based on religion it's just a spinoff of it
79tazman 1 week ago
@79tazman I doubt that you like people to use blanket statements about atheists, such as painting you all as Stalinists, Maoists, Pol Pot-like, Kim Jung Il-like who were responsible for the millions of murders done in the name of godless Communism.
55k3v1n 4 days ago
@55k3v1n Good point. I'm atheist, but I'm inclined to agree with you. It's ultimately extremism / fanaticism that leads to war and suffering, and in turn suffering breeds extremism, which, as you've pointed out, is by no means exclusively a religious phenomena. I like to think the majority of people just want to get along, and live in peace irrespective of their differences in beliefs.
shwaro73 3 days ago
@shwaro73 It would be awesome if all people thought as you do. I have friends who share in my faith as well as atheists and those of other faiths. Disagreeing should never lead to hatred nor should we have to be people pleasers in order to maintain friendships. Some demand that others agree with there views, and if you don't, they'll be labeled all sorts of things. They automatically equate disagreeing with hatred.
55k3v1n 3 days ago
poor souls...they were brainwashed
palisboycrazy101 1 week ago
Marshall applewhite had 2 or 3 kids
2288bigman 1 week ago
Drano and expired McNuggets to does silly things to people brains
MrSavedade 1 week ago
Going home? Naa ill think you gonna die geez
Youareuglybtw 2 weeks ago
it seems like it always happens in California!
stalbansrecords 2 weeks ago
Heaven's RAPE
skanemermaid 2 weeks ago
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People killed in the bible by god: 2.4 million
People killed in the bible by Satan: 10
Perhaps Satan was the good one?
ultim4t32 2 weeks ago
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why wait? because life has caused you to explore, and be all that you can be...why would anyone want to miss out on something as precious as life?
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BuckchildMusicOnline 3 weeks ago
The level above human, huh? That's the oldest lie in the book -- ye can be as gods.
OneEyedJack1970 3 weeks ago
did that Do character have a facelift gone very very wrong ? the man does not seem to be able to close his eyes.
shirahbe 1 month ago
I gotta try me some of them pancakes is the recipe on their website?
backpackcamera 1 month ago
That guy forgot his glasses! That's a liability on the roads, really dangerous when flying a SPACESHIP
backpackcamera 1 month ago
KOO KOO KOO KOO!!!!
turbinexman 1 month ago
@turbinexman for cococococo puffs.
BuckchildMusicOnline 3 weeks ago
I'm guessing this cult leader, doesn't have kids of his own. Or, at least, I hope not.
TheChannyj28 1 month ago
the followers sound just like the teacher
muaythaiguy6669 1 month ago
just stick "to masturbating" at the end.. lol
iinsanebaby 1 month ago
The bald dude never blinks... thats the sign to run away as far as possible.
rk39 1 month ago 22
@rk39 You are right??? How does he do that?
DaleMcKinzie 1 week ago
@DaleMcKinzie Sheer insanity.
SurrenderToLola 1 week ago
Lol...the keyword there being science fiction....
goodvibesallround 1 month ago
You have to admit the world is pretty weird enough as it is.....some people can't handle it.
goodvibesallround 1 month ago
Would someone who never heard of the bible, pick it up, read it, then say, "Thats all true" Of course not, you have to be coerced or conjoled into believing it, because none of it is based in reality.
philosophergenius 1 month ago
@philosophergenius i know it's true because i tried it & it works. seeing is believing!
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Introduce the bible at a young age, to a failed and confused, homosexual Erich von Däniken, discharge him from the military, fire him from his job and allow him to meet a crazy nurse in a psychiatric hospital and you have Marshall Applewhite. Feed him impressionable people of the likes on youtube that look in to his eyes and see a great man with wise words and you have Heavens Gate. Perfect recipe of ignorance and blind faith, that only religion twisted on aliens can provide.
ghpink 1 month ago
These people were munipalated by some crazy, sick foggot freak! ENOUGH SAID! Anyone who takes this Applewhite man or this suicide seriously should have kicked the bucket right along with those freaks. FUCK THIS BULLSHIT!
keishamania 1 month ago
@Crabapple....ooops I meant CFapple lick my asshole you butt-cunt! You too drunk off your dad's semen to even know what your saying fag-hole!
keishamania 1 month ago
the cult sounds very much like religion.
philosophergenius 2 months ago
virgin birth and ufo birth are both unbelievable. Religions are constantly defending themselves. Why would you have to defend truth? Answer: you don't. Truth just is, it doesn't need a defence.
philosophergenius 2 months ago
@philosophergenius Precisely... So we'll just let these deluded idiots continue to make their stupid and retarded trolls over something they don't even want to "begin" to understand - the bunch of "epic trolling retards" on this page that they are with their childish remarks...
XFChecker97 1 month ago
They seem happy about suicide. Most suicide seems to come from severe depression.
philosophergenius 2 months ago
let's face it, there weren't any LOOKERS willing to top themselves. It's easy to contemplate suicide if you're best chance of a bit of sexual friction is scrubbin your genitals with am ex-foliating scrubber!
adamski177 2 months ago
This is horrible and these people were being drugged
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XFChecker97 2 months ago
Natural selection.
seahawksfuckthe49rs 2 months ago
Mary was impregnated by space invaders...I watch History Channel's Ancient Aliens but it doesn't compel me ride Wonder Woman's invisible jetplane to follow a comet to go "home". Too much trouble but I'll spend my energy building a time machine.
VixieVaporous 2 months ago
@VixieVaporous If Jesus wasn't so "above and beyond human" and the opposite of how he portrayed by religions I would agree, but because of all he said but more importantly what Do said was that he felt the vehicle the Soul from the Next Level came into, named Jesus was prepared to have a greater capasity ot host a Next Level mind, to understand better certain things, etc. They are NOT invaders though. They own the planet and all of us while Luciferians try to take credit and pose as them.
3spm 2 months ago
@VixieVaporous : What an ignorant and hateful suggestion to say about Mary! Didn`t you ever read Matthew, Marc, Luke and John? Moreover, if you humble yourself, GOD might just show you this mystery...He did it for me, but I did not confront HIM and treat HIS HOLINESS in an idiotic and blasphemous way neither. What ever time machine you are bldg, it better be STRONG because SOON this Planet will rattle and roll on atheist trying to play god. Oh crap.
Hatorah 2 months ago
@VixieVaporous You are partly correct. It's highly possible that Mary was taken aboard a ufo & impregnated by extra terrestrials. It wasn't a silly fairy tale "virgin birth". That's ridiculous. Jesus was a regular man until his baptism when he received the Next Level mind soul (Holy Spirit). Christians say he was perfect - having powers since he was an infant. Nonsense. If that were the case, he would not have needed to be baptized by John the Baptizer. Christians (Paulians) have it all wrong.
XFChecker97 2 months ago
Mary was impregnated by being taken up by a spacecraft.
Mobee211 2 months ago
@Mobee211 I agree. It wasn't some silly 'fairy tale' virgin birth, like so many deluded Christian leaders think. Then again, these same men, who claim to believe Christ but worship "Paul" - who wrote 13 out of 27 books of the New Testament, think Heaven is an 'etherial place' where angels fly around with 'wings'. If Heaven was spiritual, containing souls of once living things, how can they wear white robes? Clothes are non living tissue nor do they contain energy, therefor they can't be etheric.
XFChecker97 2 months ago
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this guys was a lunatic all u have to do is look at his eyes
TravisDrago 2 months ago
this applewhite has the scariest face ever!
joseluissatan 2 months ago
Sounds like A.A.
Mycterizian 2 months ago
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youneekk 2 months ago
they do have some nice shoes....
tdsk8er2432 3 months ago
This is no stranger than Christianity and other organised religions. In fact in many ways it's more reasonable than Christian dogma that advocated slavery, misgyny and genocide among other things.
clumpft 3 months ago
@clumpft You don't need religion for people to be corrupt and do evil things. The basic philosophy behind Christianity and many other teachings and major religions is pure. Our humanity stains it (look at politics) To think that there is something inherently evil with the Christian belief system because people who claim the title of "Christian" (translating as "christ-like'' the same christ that taught and preached love, peace, and acceptance) In other words, no this is not more reasonable.
PetiteMouse 1 month ago 4
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True however religion is no 1. cause to make good people do terrible things.
Religion robs humans of humanity, morality, reason, critical thinking.
It makes people more arrogant, ignorant and immoral.
Christianity teaches that Christians are the only ones who know the ultimate truth that others who dont follow them burn forever and that whatever god says is moral (might makes right/divine command) it also claims that this life is nothing but a testing ground.
1DarkMasK1 1 month ago
@1DarkMasK1
While I don't entirely disagree with your /opinion/ religion is a subjective concept; not objective. You can't say that it's religion -considering what most teach- is solely what brings out the worst in people.
If you want to be subjective about it; religion is what keeps most of the people who from doing something horrible. One could argue that religion may be a catalyst for bad behavior, but does more good than harm by ensuring that most of the participants stay on good behavior.
PetiteMouse 1 month ago
@PetiteMouse What is your evidence for that? The ACTUAL evidence I have seen shows that christians have a higher rate of divorce and incarceration than atheists. You see that is what many religious people do, make stuff up off the top of their heads. They are used to just believing things on "faith" so what is true becomes unimportant. They believe they are tapped into god so they can make stuff up and it will be right. Religion is a disease of the mind.
ultim4t32 2 weeks ago
@ultim4t32 I agree with you that is ACTUAL evidence, unfortunately the rate is higher because such a huge percentage of the world considers themselves christian (regardless of denomination) there are more religious people than atheists. It has little to do with belief systems and more to do with the individual person. ex: Have you seen how many gang members have cross tattoos? If they lived their lives by the faith they claimed, they wouldn't be in a gang that caused them to go to jail.
PetiteMouse 3 days ago
@PetiteMouse i agree with all you said here.
ultim4t32 2 days ago
@ultim4t32 My argument is that it is humanity that finds fault in humanity. Give and take any religion out of the mix and you still get people who make choices based on pure evil. I also did make sure to use the word "subjective" because it is impossible to properly accuse or disavow religion of any fault at all when it comes to evil. Despite all this I still stand by my initial statement; it's impossible to say that being religious makes you a corrupt person. ignorant even. Look at Stalin.
PetiteMouse 3 days ago
@PetiteMouse Most people make choices based on selfish motives not evil. There are a select few evil people in the world but most people are just selfish. I do not think religion is at the root of all evil but I do think that the thinking involved in having "faith" is damaging to one's ability to reason effectively. That could become a problem.
ultim4t32 2 days ago
@PetiteMouse You don't necessarily NEED religion to do evil things, but it is about the ONLY way to make good people do evil things. Religion teaches people to disregard their brains and follow someone. There is no god so people end up following a person. Religion is the oldest mind control technique and that is all.
ultim4t32 2 weeks ago
@clumpft Than other beliefs. It's just as ignorant to generalize and cast aside entire belief systems as it is to try and warp, twist, and shove bastardizations of these beliefs down the throats of others. Which is something sadly that many religious people do.
PetiteMouse 1 month ago
@amen to that
LeoLex07 3 months ago
honestly, I see no difference from this to an actual religion like christianity. the only difference is the number of followers
MisterNogas 3 months ago
@MisterNogas wrong.....
lilbeaveymac 2 months ago
@DJSexLeopard Good to see someone who is not so fearful of allowing them to have what they wanted without ridicule and hatred and what many love to dish out largely because they are probabily bored and/or angry.
3spm 3 months ago
I understand how many see these students & think they are geeky, dorky, wierd as they certainly were all those things but it was because they had detached, as much as could be expected, from their entire human kingdom behavior & ways, likes/dislikes, habits, addictions, mindsets, self centerededness and sensuality to in a real sense become like little children, dead to the human world, having extinguised all their sensuality and washed their brains of human thinking, thus were ready to exit.
3spm 3 months ago
Sick people!
Lenering 3 months ago
i know this probally isnt the right reaction but i know they got a lot of things wrong but.... i like the choice in kicks
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Haha mrshix, I noticed that rule in particular as well.
CallMeMrX 3 months ago
you know you're in trouble when one of the offenses is "trusting my own judgment - or using my own mind"
mrshixaction 3 months ago
@mrshixaction Unless you want to be in trouble with continuing to be human & you KNOW by experience, pastlife even & past in terms of their current physical vehicular incarnation. Under Jesus direction if what Jesus said means anything to you, (not what the religious say about Jesus), you MUST be seen as in "trouble" as you put it - be rejected by even many of the members of your own family but hated in the same way Jesus was hated as in his day he was certainly seen as a dangerous cult leader.
3spm 3 months ago
@mrshixaction Now the Luciferian Space "fallen angel" aliens twist everything up for human consumption so that some religious cheer when people act hatefully towards them. But this is a twist because they often stimulate that hate by getting into peoples faces, condeming them and their actions, like they have that right because Jesus did when they aren't close to Jesus perspective and authority. The current idea of Jesus when it comes to all the specifics doesn't resemble the real person.
3spm 3 months ago
@mrshixaction This perspective of Jesus also points out the popular idea of late that the entire Jesus story was made up to control people or lure them. If that was so, then why is it that nearly 100% of the people who claim to be his followers (or followers of the fictitious story) aren't following any of the details of the main character in it. It's because this way Jesus can be popularized & profited by while steering people against what He really said calling it cultish. A Luciferian ploy.
3spm 3 months ago
why do they all have nike shoes??
Apfitt 3 months ago
@Apfitt from what research I've gathered from various internet sources, the nike tick symbolises (vaguely resembles) the comet that was the "sign" that Do was waiting for
mrshixaction 3 months ago
@Apfitt The slogan of Nike then was "Just do it". They were responding to feeling it was time to just do it & it has this double meaning, a frequent way the Next Level does things with words for human digestion, that was "just Do (as in the name of their Older Member/Heavenly Father, Parent/midwife from the literal heaven's (outerspace) it", in other words, "do it for Do" whom they had extended all their trust to & who authorized their following with him in exiting at that time and in that way.
3spm 3 months ago
@Apfitt I'd never heard anything about the Nike symbol looking or representing a comet. It certainly could have and they could have also enjoyed that symbol looking like a comet, but from mrshixaction's comment to you it could have sounded like They indicated that was the reason they laid down their lives which was certainly not the case and I know having been with them dedicated for 19 years as my video's evidence. The comet was the timing "sign/token" just as Jesus said would occur.
3spm 3 months ago
I feel awful saying this ...but what a bunch of idiots !
miltsar 3 months ago
@miltsar Why do you feel "awful" saying that?
3spm 3 months ago
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Pathetic people beliveing in one old ass man about coments abd rockets and space journeys and shit! CREEPY shit!
keishamania 3 months ago 8
@keishamania Don't you have any "old ass man" to believe in? Would it had been better had he been a "young ass man" or an old/or young ass woman?
3spm 3 months ago
@keishamania it could have easily been you, maybe a different story though
CFapple 2 months ago
they all look like pedofiles and chronic masturbators
nilima77 3 months ago 15
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@nilima77 The usual one dimensionally pathetic comment. Only a person of bloated self esteem & ignorance would make such a pathetic & childish statement. Maybe their beliefs & what they stood for is too sophisticated for you. Correction, it IS too sophisticated for you, hence your comment..
XFChecker97 3 months ago
Some thing about these people's faces is wrong. It is like they had teeth removed. Maybe some of them were taking small doses of the poison with hopes to immunize themselves to the final drink?
evildnalor 3 months ago
@evildnalor Not a chance as I was with them for 19 years and I also have missing teeth. They were not trying to get out of doing what they knew they were about to do. The ones who had reservations left, were asked to leave, were ordered to leave (temporarily or for as long as they wanted, though didn't have the option to return unless Do granted it them, which he did not always do). Their discontinuence of human activity did wear on them & they couldn't afford routine root canal/cap work.
3spm 3 months ago
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God did NOT put us on this earth to destroy ourselves... the end
MrMeineNamen 3 months ago
@MrMeineNamen Then why are so many destroying themselves including 99.999% of those who claim to be so godly? I understand the difficulty w/ their actions for you. If you consider they were the "second coming" you would really be on the god hot seat with yourself and all you relate to. It's fearful! I actually experienced that in coming back to being an "active student" again as though I left never disbelieved in them. But I had a daughter in 1997, thus became tied but Do still accepted me back.
3spm 3 months ago
@3spm 99.9% whos butt did you pull that statistic out of... my comment meant God didnt make man just so we can kill ourselves right after... it doesnt have some deeper meaning. If you accept Jesus than you are saved. man cannot save himself
MrMeineNamen 3 months ago
@MrMeineNamen I was just estimating. I'd bet it's pretty close but could be wrong. Of course God didn't make man to JUST kill ourselves but nor did God made man to want to remain a human mammalian. The Human kingdom is a stepping stone/footstool for some humans to voluntarily reach for the kingdom above human, termed the kingdom of God in the heavens. What does accepting Jesus mean? Why did Jesus say that not everyone that called on the name of the Lord would be saved? What's the criteria?
3spm 3 months ago
@MrMeineNamen Why was it that all Jesus direct students left ALL behind to literally follow Jesus around everywhere he went? Why did Jesus say over and over that all those that try to "save their lives in this world, would lose it in the next"?. What did the terms Life and death mean to Jesus? Wasn't the physical body actually expendible ONLY when we are "giving" it for the sake of the "will of our Heavenly Father" as Jesus demonstrated? WE MUST drink the same cup he showed us how to drink!
3spm 3 months ago
@MrMeineNamen Now if you are a believer/followers of the country club religious Jesus then you'll get that reward. But if you want to really know the real Jesus, then you MAY get the reward the real deal offerred those that put their money where their mouth was. (not really money but efforts/substance/heart and soul). By the way, God did create us to die, did he not. He even said, we'd get no more than about 120 years, after the flood, thus our death sentence was generally pre-ordained/destined.
3spm 3 months ago
Love the list of rules, especially "offenses: using my own mind"...maybe they should have thought about that one.
inorbit30 4 months ago
@inorbit30 That's what real belief/trust meant to Jesus as well, which is why he said to his disciples they would drink the same cup he drank & be baptized w/ the same baptism he was baptized with, which was basically sacrificing one's physical body by telling the truth to those who hated to hear it. The difference this time was they were ready to repeat that lesson but came at a time when society had been advanced to allow divese views in the new nation so little danger of being killed for it.
3spm 3 months ago
They sure like to button up their shirts, don't they.
cochranexyz 4 months ago
they all just needed some friends... thats all
YoungDrivenForDreams 4 months ago
@YoungDrivenForDreams Sorry, they all had friends plenty in one another. They lived very happily here. I was with them for 19 years. However, they had to work hard to discard all their otherwise normal human ways and behaviour to have that happiness. That's why Do even offerred $1000.00 for anyone to leave in around 1990, because the lifestyle did become quite comfortible though the students by then didn't care about comforts and such which is why they could have them.
3spm 3 months ago
(AT 6.50) it was designed to make people not think for themselves ...
so how is that any different then any other religion?
cherryhollowboy 4 months ago
@cherryhollowboy Actually I would agree that many or most of the religious are not thinking for themselves, but there is a great deal of evidence that no humans are really thinking for themselves that much as what humans are, are computer systems that grow that when dead remain as like a mental snapshot programmed object, termed a "spirit" that seeks to "live" by influencing existing humans according to the host living humans allowing them to share head space/action time. These discarded those.
3spm 3 months ago
Applewhite had cancer and was going to die soon anyway. He just did not want to die on his own. So he took his people with him by lying to them about a comet hiding a spacecraft. What a twat.
The24547377 4 months ago
@The24547377 I always thought that his depression/anxiety and paranoia was getting to him and he wanted to end his life, never heard the cancer thing before.
starkiller20293 4 months ago
@starkiller20293 Sorry, I knew the man for 19 years. Those stories of his depression, anxiety and paranoia were distorted and exaggerated and some of which were bred from the days before he met Ti (Nettles, the Rev. 12 woman, he recognized to be his Heavenly FAther He termed His Older Member), the same soul that was with Jesus helping him and with Moses helping him, Do being the same soul as had incarnated into Moses and Jesus. My video channel evidences this.
3spm 3 months ago
@3spm So did Jim Jones and David Koresh. Sorry pal but people can hide those issues.
starkiller20293 3 months ago
@starkiller20293 Of course they can & often don't know they are, but it's all too easy to just brand someone with such a condition so they an be written off because we fear looking at the weightier issues and examples. Jim Jones & David Koresh don't hold a candle to Do & Ti & the fact that you have TWO theorectially equally insane or depressed has to boggle the minds of psychoanalysts. Of course like scientists, shrinks need to sound like they know so they say it and for many it becomes gospel.
3spm 3 months ago
@The24547377 This was a lie put out to turn people from seeing Him/they for who they really are and I can prove it by 24 years of their history which I was a part of for 19 and you can see on my youtube channel if you dare and they even stated that it didn't matter to them whether or not there was a companion with the comet as the comet was simply the marker/token/sign for exit they were looking for. You can still see that at heavensgate(dot)com . However Do may have had cancer, most of us do.
3spm 3 months ago
cocaine is a hell of a drug.
RaceDesert27 4 months ago
how come everyone looks like they are retarded?
chrissysno22 5 months ago
haha right?
YoungDrivenForDreams 4 months ago
@LIVINGONTHEDOLE "Accurate"? To whom. Calling me out for what I am? That's a nice try to twist it all around but you called my friends a bunch of "boarder (sic) line retards" and then called me a "rude cunt" (nice sexist comment BTW) when you got challenged on it. Do you always derive your feelings of self-worth from pathetic attempts to belittle others? This is another sign of a childish mental attitude. It's fascinating how many youtube users spend all their energy judging others.
crlody1 5 months ago
@LIVINGONTHEDOLE You come on here and call individuals you know nothing about "retards" and then you have the temerity to call me a "rude cunt" after your rudeness gets called out. You might want to try a little positivity in your life rather than getting your rocks off by hurling highly ignorant insults. And calling people "retards" is what those with the mental aptitude of children engage in and I'm guessing it's why you got so upset, because it's a little too close to the truth for you.
crlody1 5 months ago
@LIVINGONTHEDOLE You come on here and call individuals you know nothing about "retards" and then you have the temerity to call me a "rude cunt" after your rudeness gets called out. You might want to try a little positivity in your life rather than getting your rocks off by hurling highly ignorant insults. And calling people "retards" is what those with the mental aptitude of children engage in and I'm guessing it's why you got so upset, because it's a little too close to the truth for you.
crlody1 5 months ago
@LIVINGONTHEDOLE It's border not "boarder" and I'm guessing you're a teenager or at least have the mental attitude of one.
crlody1 5 months ago
I'm been communicating with someone down below who said wikapedia says applewhite met nettles while he was a patient in a psychiactric hospital which is not what Do said. However I may have stumbled on the whole truth. It may well be that The "male friend" Do said he was visiting when he met Nettles(Ti) was actually in the psychiactric ward where Ti was subbing for another nurse as her assignment was talking care of premie babies. I still don't know this but it makes some sense.
3spm 5 months ago
@3spm Rob Balch had researched this and stated the same thing that Do had said, that He met Ti while he was visiting a friend in a hospital. Do had said on one of the tapes that she had come into the room to administer some prescription to a patient and that she also was looking after infants in another ward so it seems like it was a conventional, rather than a psychiatric hospital.
crlody1 5 months ago
@crlody1 Funny, that I recently was reviewing old articles and one was quoting Rob that it was a psychiactric hospital, but we all know how things get twisted in the media and especially when their influences want lots of reasons to build a case against. Plus I suppose Rob might have said that at one point but then researched it further and like you said determined Do's story was truthful. The last thing Do would do is lie. He had no reason to do so. Of course that's hard for most to recognize.
3spm 5 months ago
@3spm Have you ever lied about something at anytime in your life? I ask this because you say Applewhite would never lie or have any reason to lie, but people will lie or do things like lie for all sorts of reasons whether it be personal reasons or otherwise... I'm not suggesting he did lie but the possibility is there.... to say that he had no reason to lie or the last thing he would do is lie is a conclusive statement.... i'm not arguing with you & I respect your beliefs...
ogrebattle22763 5 months ago
@ogrebattle22763 I meant, after his awakening and pertaining to things he told the entire group of students, some of which he knew would not be his student to the full distance. He was very protective of his credability because he knew how people would crucify him for any infraction making it harder for some to come to at least "consider" He and Ti were whom they said they were. Now, he did tell "white" lies. For instance for years he didn't have a drivers licence but drove & used assumed names.
3spm 5 months ago
@ogrebattle22763 However, I don't care to convince you of anything, really! That's not a lie at all. I'm only following up with you on the One point in the claim/accusation that he was deranged and/or beside himself or whatever it was you said or quoted from some article. Of course this all looks crazy, but looks are not often what we think they are, though if one has little or no experiences to teach that, it doesn't make sense and looks like jusifications.
3spm 5 months ago
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@3spm Have you ever lied about something at anytime in your life? I ask this because you say Applewhite would never lie or have any reason to lie, but people will lie or do things like lie for all sorts of reasons whether it be personal reasons or otherwise... I'm not suggesting he did lie but the possibility is there.... to say that he had no reason to lie or the last thing he would do is lie is a conclusive statement.... i'm not arguing with you & I respect your beliefs.
ogrebattle22763 5 months ago
@adiostraitorobama There's nothing to join anyway. They are gone. I think the raelians are sex addicts, not that billions aren't but they tie it into aliens they worship, the best of both worlds.
3spm 5 months ago
BUAHAHHAHHHAHHHHAAA! ALL OF EM LOOK LIKE WEIRD GEEKS..REJECTS!! RUDE AWAKENING WHEN THEY FIND THEM SELVES IN HELL! BURNING FOR ALL TIME AND ETERNITY..THERE GOES UR SPACE SHIP BUDDY...PSYCO! Do not be a fool--why die before your time?" (Ecclesiastes 7:17)
1kaitae 5 months ago
@1kaitae I'm not dead, are you?
3spm 5 months ago
@3spm what do you mean ur not dead..ur response dont make no sense..if ur typing than ur obviously not dead..duhhh
1kaitae 3 months ago
@1kaitae First off, what was the circumstance in the Ecclesiastes quote & who was talking. I beleive in Jesus not David or whoever was saying that, though I'm not saying it's not a valid point. After all, "before your time" means what? Did Jesus die before his time? Did he have to arrange to be apprehened knowing it would result in his body being put to death? No. HE DECIDED IT WAS HIS TIME. These decided it was their time. But you also might consider Jesus definition of life & death...con't
3spm 3 months ago
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@1kaitae con't...Jesus definition of Life was meeting the strict (rod) qualifications to receive membership in his world(kingdom) that was NOT of this human world but was nonetheless real and physical (many dwelling places) - no place to lay their head (as they arn't terrestrial anymore) (not to be confused with space aliens, who are all human equivilent terrestrial beings) & was "eternal". Death was not connecting to his family tree, thus dieing physically AND in the 2nd Death - spiritually.
3spm 3 months ago
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XFChecker97 2 months ago
@3spm Do (Doe) also specified that "life & death" was meant in the Bible as a spiritual term and not a literal one. He mentioned that "life & death" are referred to the soul & not the vehicle that the soul occupies. It is my understanding that human vehicles (vessels/bodies) are only meant as containers for NL souls or Luci souls to incarnate into. When I hear people speak of individuality, that's a crock. Individuality was not a true Christian or Jewish term. "Individuality" is a Hindu term..
XFChecker97 2 months ago
@1kaitae What many people are confused by is in thinking they are in the exact same frame of mind as these who laid down their lives when 99.99999999999% are NOT, thus for these it would be suicide and insane and stupid with one exception that I believe would be very rare. Observing this, they would have to realize that Do and Ti and students were exactly who they said they were and couldn't stand to not go to wherever they were going with them, as Do said was an open door for a while...con't...
3spm 3 months ago
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XFChecker97 2 months ago
@1kaitae There were 3 who did feel this way & layed down their lives in 1998 in the same kind of way but these 3 knew Ti & Do personally from 1975 but because of their difficulty learning the lessons while in their experiential "classroom" wern't with them then. One known as Oscar asked to join the group after living without them but wanting to rejoin them for some 22 years having first joined in 1975. Do said he couldn't join them but could live near othes who were believers outside the group.
3spm 3 months ago
@1kaitae I said I'm not dead because Do has made it clear to me, through dreams of him that He can use me and that I am required to "give my life" which leaves me the option(Do's way) on how and when and to what degree to give my life to Him in His Kingdom. While a member I thought myself fully committed to the end of the vehicles (my body's) life, even to do what they did, but I've learned since I was not where they were at in love for Do. I was too into myself even after 19 years with them.
3spm 3 months ago
@1kaitae Now this does not mean I can assume that when my body expires by whatever means that I have anything more than a chance that my Soul, (like an organ the Kingdom of God gives as seeds to those humans that want and ask for it, and demonstrate that want by opening up to, at this time Ti & Do as the so called "second coming" (not saying they won't return one last time, though not "undercover") will be saved/kept on ice (so to speak) to be brought back for a new chance to overcome humanness.
3spm 3 months ago
@1kaitae And if I changed my tune & started to talk against Ti and Do or tell people there is not a Physical Evolutionary Level Above Human (above space alien human equivilents) aka the Kingdom of God from the literal heaven's, then I would be siding with "mammon" (greek mammonous), Luciferians fallen angel space aliens, which is basically Human Kingdom Worship that includes human forms of wealth, money, things, fame, intellect, talent, spiritual understanding, religiosity, etc.) & I'd be DEAD.
3spm 3 months ago
@1kaitae I understand how many can see these students and think they are geeky or dorky, wierd as they certainly were all those things but it was because they had detached as much as could be expected from their entire human kingdom behavior and ways, likes/dislikes, habits, addictions, mindsets, self centerededness to in a real sense become like little children, dead to the human world, having extinguised all their sensuality and washed their brains of human thinking, thus were ready to exit.
3spm 3 months ago
@3spm First off, what was the circumstance in the Ecclesiastes quote and who was talking. I beleive in Jesus not David or whoever was saying that, though I'm not saying it's not a valid point. After all, "before your time" means what? Did Jesus die before his time? Did he have to arrange to be apprehened knowing it would result in his body being put to death? No. HE DECIDED IT WAS HIS TIME. These decided it was their time. But you also might consider Jesus definition of life & death...con't...
3spm 3 months ago
@3spm con't...Jesus definition of Life was meeting the strict (rod) qualifications to receive membership in his world(kingdom) that was NOT of this human world but was nonetheless real and physical (many dwelling places) - no place to lay their head (as they arn't terrestrial anymore) (not to be confused with space aliens, who are all human equivilent terrestrial beings) & was "eternal". Death was not connecting to his family tree, thus dieing physically AND in the 2nd Death - spiritually.
3spm 3 months ago
You know these people are having a great time on their spaceship. I hope they got good seats.
100cjkennedy 5 months ago
@100cjkennedy They did and I saw them in a dream early this morning and they were on their way back. The world is going in exactly the path Ti and Do said it would which began in earnest following their departure, initially in 1997 and then away from Earth by 2008 as I have many dreams to testify to. I was with them for 19 years and have lots of evidence that they were exactly who they said they were, The Father, Jesus and their saints returned as promised for harvest time.
3spm 5 months ago
I remember hearing about The Heavens Gate cult killing themselves & it was just another example of how people can be so easliy taken in by twisted people like Applewhite who have really disturbing personal backgrounds... I wonder if any of these cult members even knew about this guys past or anything about him really...
ogrebattle22763 5 months ago
@ogrebattle22763 Yes we knew of Do's (applewhites) past but what did you hear about him that was so disturbing. I know he dropped out of seminary, was in the military in communications, becamse a music director, was an opera singer, married and raised children, then divorsed and found himself to be gay inclined though eventually, before meeting Ti (bonnie) was fed up with all sexual relationships. I can't confirm or deny he was in a psyciactric hospital but know he didn't meet bonnie in one.
3spm 5 months ago
@3spm Look it up for yourself Wikipedia him..... He was in fact in a hospital you say you can't confirm that but that is not true... you also say he never met his counterpart in the hospital that is also not true...
ogrebattle22763 5 months ago
@3spm Why are you saying that you can't confirm that he was in a Psychiatric Hospital when this is well documented... you are claiming that you know he didn't meet Bonnie in one & that is also well documented... so what you are saying isn't adding up...
ogrebattle22763 5 months ago
@3spm I 'm curious when other people who show interest in the cult ask questions regarding Applewhite's past do you tell them the same thing? Because if you claim that you can't confirm these things about him or her for that matter your not telling the truth...
ogrebattle22763 5 months ago
@ogrebattle22763 Do told us the story of his meeting Nettles several times & wrote about it in the document 88update.txt, available at heavensgate(dot)com and my blog sawyerhg(dot)wordpress(dot)com . He said he was "visiting a male friend" who was in the hospital where Ti, as a nurse took another's shift as her assignment was in the premie baby ward in this houston hospital. Ti never worked in a psychiactic hospital so that is collaboration of Do's story. Plus Do had no reason to lie.
3spm 5 months ago
@ogrebattle22763 If he wasn't going to lie about that, why would he tell us that prior to meeting Ti he had homosexual relationships, though that's not in 88update though he makes mention of the "male" friend. And what's to be ashamed about, if he had at some point checked himself into a psychiactric hospital as was reported, and especially if it was because he wasn't happy with his sexual choices? He didn't tell these stories to us until around 1988, 12 years after we'd been faithful students.
3spm 5 months ago
@ogrebattle22763 He did not tell us much detail of many aspects of his life. Around that time he told us this, he confronted us with a consideration: He said, "what if I'm not from the KIngdom of God? What if I'm just someone who wants to be or has good intentions". Now some could say, he felt guilty and wanted to try to get rid of his students but, you know, there is always someone who comes up with their psychology on things that happen. I know people think the students were victims.
3spm 5 months ago
@3spm Gee I wonder why he didn't tell you or give you much detail about his life...
ogrebattle22763 5 months ago
@ogrebattle22763 You said, "Gee I wonder why he didn't tell you or give you much detail about his life..." Is that sarcastic? You have your mind made up that he was hiding things so not to lose his students and that he was insane/psychotic, etc. I know that is the prevelent view and pertaining to human norms certainly was insane as was Jesus and as was Moses and as must be any true member of the creators kingdom. But even talk of spirt is insane to some & talk of conspiracies is insane to some.
3spm 5 months ago
@3spm Wait it wasn't a sarcastic comment it was a inquisitive one....
ogrebattle22763 5 months ago
@ogrebattle22763 re: where Do met Ti subject: I was re-reading old articles and one suggested without providing souces that Ti was actually subbing for another nurse in the houston hospital's psychiactric ward as her assignment was talking care of premie babies. I still don't know this but it makes some sense.
3spm 5 months ago
@ogrebattle22763 I just don't have the time/energy to try to answer all your questions. I understand that this is probably near meaningless to your life, thus just a little casual chatting and that's fine but it's not that for me. The areas that are inaccurate are insignificant anyway. If you've had any experience with media and human ways, you KNOW humans make lots of assumptions though state things with authority and are mostly absolute and judgemental so slant things as they see fit.
3spm 5 months ago
@3spm Did it ever occur to you or the rest of his followers that maybe the man had much more serious issues mentally & emotionally then he was willing to share or reveal?
ogrebattle22763 5 months ago
@ogrebattle22763 I knew Ti and Do's claims were seen as insane by most. When I joined in 1975, by October I was moreorless on my own with a partner going town to town telling about them. I was hitchhiking for much of the next 6 months without any contact with Ti and Do or others who had joined. If Do told me at any point that he had been in a psychiactic hosptal, even because he thought he was jesus or to conquer drug addiction or homosexuality, it would not have swayed me. I was not unusual.
3spm 5 months ago
@3spm Well tell me this.... did you see anything wrong with he taking his life & asking his followers to follow him in killing themselves? Because its one thing to have followers - follow his path in a life of peace & quiet if that's what they chose to do but then take them in such an extreme opposite direction as to convince them that killing themselves was somehow all ok & that they were better off dead then on this planet is just not ok do you see where I'm going with this...
ogrebattle22763 5 months ago
@ogrebattle22763 What I can't confirm is whether that story of the psychiactric hospital was made up, assumed, because they did meet in a hospital, (to make him look insane, to go with what to most was an insane action), or because he actually had been in one at some point prior to meeting Ti or after meeting Ti. Yes I do generally say the same thing but this is the most I've talked about the psychiactic hospital. I need to update wikipedia. There's a bunch in there that's innaccurate.
3spm 5 months ago
@3spm Right.... it's interesting because first you said that you knew for sure that he didn't meet Bonnie aka Ti in the hospital when in fact that is where they met... now your saying that you can't confirm any of his or her history & that his history with the hospital might be made up? Yeah ok....
ogrebattle22763 5 months ago
@3spm You claim there is a bunch in there that's inaccurate like what?
ogrebattle22763 5 months ago
@ogrebattle22763 Why do you care, your mind is made up and that's fine with me. I don't want you to be any other way and there are some that will actually have had enough life experience and observation to discern more reality from illusion and deception that dominates the human population while most want to continue in their comfortable ignorance. This world will escalate in troubles til nearly all flesh is gone. So enjoy your mockery for as long as you can.
3spm 5 months ago
@3spm I'm not mocking you why are you getting defensive it's your choice to believe what you want to believe as I I am just asking you what inaccuracies you mean?
ogrebattle22763 5 months ago
@ogrebattle22763 crlody1 said, "Rob Balch had researched this and stated the same thing that Do had said, that He met Ti while he was visiting a friend in a hospital. Do had said on one of the tapes that she had come into the room to administer some prescription to a patient and that she also was looking after infants in another ward so it seems like it was a conventional, rather than a psychiatric hospital". Balch is considered the most knowledgeable non-believer, a professor at U of Montana.
3spm 5 months ago
@3spm I never heard of him but I'll look him up & see if there's any credibility about him or what he says... But Applewhite claimed that he was a visitor visiting a friend... & that he never checked himself into this psychiatric hospital which was documented about him... well who knows really.... A friend of mine did bring up an interesting point which I will share with you & that is most hospital whether it be general or pychiatric don't give out or release information of any kind about people
ogrebattle22763 5 months ago