Hi, one tip: change the the angle how you put togehter your horn. If you put the bell up and closer to your head, then you don´t have to raise your left shoulder that much, then it will be much easier to hold it - and to play. It´s really a challenge to find the best way to hold the valve bone. Also maybe try every possible way of holding the horn with the left (!) hand and how & where you put your left fingers.
Valve trombones, however, would be very good for jazz due to how fast they can be played. I suppose that they're also good for getting used to a trombone's bore and mouthpiece. They're also good instruments for quick and convenient filling-in of a trombone part, since they still fundamentally sound like trombones.
It's not you. The valve trombone is just terrible. If you want to play trombone, learn trombone. If I learn to play baritone, I learn baritone, not some wierd baritone with some sort of fantastic slide contraption. The whole beauty of the trombone is that it's so unique from most other instruments. The Valve trombone completley eliminates that. Not to mention, it just sounds like crap. You can never be a real trombone player on a Valve trombone. You can try to imitate, but never really be one.
yeah but dude, the valve trombone is good for whenever you have really fast movements on the slide and you just can't get it up-to-tempo because you can't move the slide fast enough, you use the valves and it sounds just fine =]
That's a total cop out. That's taking the easy way out. If you can't get it up to speed immediatley, then what do you do, you practice a ton. And it's very rare when when you have an issue with slide movement being too fast, because the positions are close together. The more difficult thing with playing fast is tounging.
And no, it doesn't sound just fine, as this video demonstrates, the tone of the instrument is fuzzy and doesn't sound too nice. A good trombone player could probably make a sound much nicer, fuller, and more beautiful than a valve trombone player of the same skill.
I agree with you that a good trombone player could make a valve trombones sound play a lot nicer but my video is not one to use to criticize the tone of the instrument because it is my own fault that I have poor tone and I posted this video 3 weeks after I had first played my trombone. If you would like to see something that sounds a little more like a slide trombone try watching one of Bob Brookmeyers videos.
The reason I started playing valve trombone is because I wanted to have something I could play around with and experiment. I didn't want to start playing slide trombone nor learn the slide positions. I know that the valve trombone does not sound like a real trombone but for me,although I am working towards making it sound like a real trombone it's not a requirement for me personally because I don't play valve trombone in a band because it's for my own enjoyment.
Lol I agree with you :) I originally was looking for a superbone because i knew people would criticize the valve trombone but where I live they are very very hard to find.
Exactly same story here :) But im 13 and my funds for instruments don't exactly cover $2800 so I had to settle for this one which cost me under $500 :)
The only thing with a superbone is that it's supposed to have some weird intonation issues. It'd be good if you ever need to alternate between slide and valves I suppose, but otherwise it's probably worth sticking with one or the other for the sake of ease of playing and simply getting used to one or the other.
A straight-up slide trombone would be worth considering after you get good at the tone, simply because the slide is what makes the trombone a trombone.
Not expertise from hands-on experience, since I don't play it. However, I've read a lot about it and understand the principles behind what I've read, so I still at least know why it'd be suitable in some cases.
ANOTHER COMMENT BY ME: I'll reiterate from the other comment here that a valve trombone's tone and playability can be well-suited for jazz when a softer, stuffier tone's in demand. You at least still have some of that edge from elongated tubing, as opposed to a baritone. Just don't knock it from a subjective point of view, trying to compare a valve trombone to a slide trombone, for they aren't the same instrument.
Damn no offense you really have bad intonation and tone what you need to do is support more cause a trombone is suppose to sound more robust and brassy but you make it sound like frenchhorn
Look asshole valve or no valve u can still change tha way u sound I play a euphonium but I play trombone parts so I have to make my euphonium sound more like a trombone. STUPID
just play each note a bitlonger,not so short
valvetrom 2 days ago
hmm, i'm not gonna lie that was pritty bad ass, i can see the pros and cons for the slide and valve. but over all vary bad ass
mitchandfriend 1 year ago
really good i think u might be tounging or articulating a little to hard other than that great
rsfan2134 1 year ago 3
@rsfan2134 thanks :)
lavaflea1234 1 year ago
u should switch to baritone
tboneswagg 1 year ago
Hi, one tip: change the the angle how you put togehter your horn. If you put the bell up and closer to your head, then you don´t have to raise your left shoulder that much, then it will be much easier to hold it - and to play. It´s really a challenge to find the best way to hold the valve bone. Also maybe try every possible way of holding the horn with the left (!) hand and how & where you put your left fingers.
bachnerr 1 year ago
@bachnerr Thanks for the advice :)
lavaflea1234 1 year ago
does the slide still work??
catclans1357 1 year ago
@catclans1357 no
tboneswagg 1 year ago
you need to find the center of the note and support your sound more!
but other than that, good job!!
alyciacolleen 1 year ago
you need to find the center of the note and support your sound more!
but other than that good job!
alyciacolleen 1 year ago
@alyciacolleen Thanks man
lavaflea1234 1 year ago
amature
Mr4525 1 year ago
Nice vid
But i would suggest to play with your trombone more horizontaly.
It would improve the sound (isnt bad already good job!)
And also make the playing easier.
FerrariVader 1 year ago
I've never seen one of those before haha, That's rather neat.
MrxMurk3nxN33b5 2 years ago
Haha thats what I said when I first saw one. They are quite easy to play if you have some previous experience with valved brass instruments.
lavaflea1234 2 years ago
Valve Trombones are cheating <_<
zakmac1212 2 years ago
They kinda are, it's just I don't play slide trombone and I don't wanna learn slide positions because i find fingerings more familiar. :)
lavaflea1234 2 years ago
Valve trombones, however, would be very good for jazz due to how fast they can be played. I suppose that they're also good for getting used to a trombone's bore and mouthpiece. They're also good instruments for quick and convenient filling-in of a trombone part, since they still fundamentally sound like trombones.
DMGDeed 2 years ago
Ew, valve trombone.
Redthunder678 2 years ago
Whats wrong with my valve trombone?
I don't mind constructive criticism but what' your point?
lavaflea1234 2 years ago
It's not you. The valve trombone is just terrible. If you want to play trombone, learn trombone. If I learn to play baritone, I learn baritone, not some wierd baritone with some sort of fantastic slide contraption. The whole beauty of the trombone is that it's so unique from most other instruments. The Valve trombone completley eliminates that. Not to mention, it just sounds like crap. You can never be a real trombone player on a Valve trombone. You can try to imitate, but never really be one.
Redthunder678 2 years ago
Once again, I must make clear, I'm not criticizing you, but the instrument.
Redthunder678 2 years ago
Thanks for the comment I see your point.
lavaflea1234 2 years ago
yeah but dude, the valve trombone is good for whenever you have really fast movements on the slide and you just can't get it up-to-tempo because you can't move the slide fast enough, you use the valves and it sounds just fine =]
xFLeeGZx 2 years ago
That's a total cop out. That's taking the easy way out. If you can't get it up to speed immediatley, then what do you do, you practice a ton. And it's very rare when when you have an issue with slide movement being too fast, because the positions are close together. The more difficult thing with playing fast is tounging.
Redthunder678 2 years ago
And no, it doesn't sound just fine, as this video demonstrates, the tone of the instrument is fuzzy and doesn't sound too nice. A good trombone player could probably make a sound much nicer, fuller, and more beautiful than a valve trombone player of the same skill.
Redthunder678 2 years ago
I agree with you that a good trombone player could make a valve trombones sound play a lot nicer but my video is not one to use to criticize the tone of the instrument because it is my own fault that I have poor tone and I posted this video 3 weeks after I had first played my trombone. If you would like to see something that sounds a little more like a slide trombone try watching one of Bob Brookmeyers videos.
lavaflea1234 2 years ago
The reason I started playing valve trombone is because I wanted to have something I could play around with and experiment. I didn't want to start playing slide trombone nor learn the slide positions. I know that the valve trombone does not sound like a real trombone but for me,although I am working towards making it sound like a real trombone it's not a requirement for me personally because I don't play valve trombone in a band because it's for my own enjoyment.
lavaflea1234 2 years ago
Thats one of the main reasons people play the valve trombone! :)
lavaflea1234 2 years ago
wow thats pretty harsh! you should get a "superbone" trombone. they have valves and a slide ^_^
THEMIZKID 2 years ago
Lol I agree with you :) I originally was looking for a superbone because i knew people would criticize the valve trombone but where I live they are very very hard to find.
lavaflea1234 2 years ago
ive been looking myself. i can only find a good one online for $2800. search for a holten superbone sometime if you are still lookin for one
THEMIZKID 2 years ago
Exactly same story here :) But im 13 and my funds for instruments don't exactly cover $2800 so I had to settle for this one which cost me under $500 :)
lavaflea1234 2 years ago
The only thing with a superbone is that it's supposed to have some weird intonation issues. It'd be good if you ever need to alternate between slide and valves I suppose, but otherwise it's probably worth sticking with one or the other for the sake of ease of playing and simply getting used to one or the other.
A straight-up slide trombone would be worth considering after you get good at the tone, simply because the slide is what makes the trombone a trombone.
DMGDeed 2 years ago
Thanks for all your comments and your expertise on the valve trombone :)
lavaflea1234 2 years ago
Not expertise from hands-on experience, since I don't play it. However, I've read a lot about it and understand the principles behind what I've read, so I still at least know why it'd be suitable in some cases.
You're welcome. :)
DMGDeed 2 years ago
ANOTHER COMMENT BY ME: I'll reiterate from the other comment here that a valve trombone's tone and playability can be well-suited for jazz when a softer, stuffier tone's in demand. You at least still have some of that edge from elongated tubing, as opposed to a baritone. Just don't knock it from a subjective point of view, trying to compare a valve trombone to a slide trombone, for they aren't the same instrument.
DMGDeed 2 years ago
awesome adrian o.O well done
Murphgirl128 2 years ago
Thanks
lavaflea1234 2 years ago
Thanks!
lavaflea1234 2 years ago
valve trombones are sound stuffy and i play tuba not valve trombone so i am self taught.
lavaflea1234 2 years ago
Damn no offense you really have bad intonation and tone what you need to do is support more cause a trombone is suppose to sound more robust and brassy but you make it sound like frenchhorn
gangstersur13 2 years ago
Dude Shiu Up Everybody But You(Apparently) Knows Valved Trombones Sound Way Stuffy, I Have Both They Sound way Different
brawley8795 2 years ago 4
Look asshole valve or no valve u can still change tha way u sound I play a euphonium but I play trombone parts so I have to make my euphonium sound more like a trombone. STUPID
gangstersur13 2 years ago
Wow, stop being an asshole and go cry somewhere else. Why would you comment on a comment from 3 months ago anyways. DUMBASS
brawley8795 2 years ago
@brawley8795 dont diss th valve T-bone i play it in marching band so shut up!!!!
aprillet 1 year ago
@aprillet dang whats ur prob cuz lol ps change ur screen name
XxtwilightxX111 1 year ago
YAY!!! GO TIGERSSS!!! (my mum was one of the cheerleaders when she was 14 lol) go adrian!
glamrusashley123 3 years ago