I hate the princess mentality and more-so how little girls are brought up with these ideas. It's why a lot of women are very VERY idealistic and ultimately makes for a lot of pain in the long run when things don't end up like the "fairy tales" do. Makes me sick... Not hating on penn's video or choice in any way, if anyone could guide his girl to a more realistic way of life it's Penn.
I think as long as the emphasis of princess parties is on fantasy, make believe and other creative outlets they won't be in any way damaging. The problem, I think, comes when parents dote on their child, spoil them and encourage a sense of entitlement because they're little princesses. Also reinforcing gender roles and being a 'lady'. But that's not going to happen just because of a princess themed party.
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People may criticize him for over thinking a child's birthday party but I'm sort of with him on this one, conceptually anyway. People wouldn't be so cavalier about accepting a 'Spanish Inquisition' kids birthday party, even if the kids had 'no idea' about the politics of said event and only loved the 'funny costumes' and bright colors... or something. I'd use a better metaphor but I'm drunk and nobody cares anyway. Elvis didn't do no drugs!
Penn... as I think almost everyone else is stating: she turned four. I didn't really think (much less know) about the divine right of kings at that age. I even watched *gasp* Disney movies when I was young. And I turned into a feminist atheist any way. There's nothing wrong with a little imagination.
Penn, you got to be fucking me. She's four. Of course she loves all things princess. It has nothing to do with politics whatsoever. A four year old likes princesses cause they got pink dresses, not because she is interested in the system of government! As your friend says, SHUT UP and take a picture of your kid. Seriously.
Um, you totally missed the point, cynic. he pretty much admits what you just said. and DUH, moxy's fancy for princesses has nothing to do with politics: he certainly didn't imply he thought that.
well there is i think a difference between fairy tale royalty and historical royalty. A little romantic story of knights saving princesses and kingdoms from dragons and stuff, is not bad in fact its a big literary theme and i think encourages the imagination. but historical royalty is the bad kind the arrogant pricks who thought they had a god given right to rule over all the little ants below them is not a good concept
Give your kid an odd name/distinct brand identity and then promote it until she is old enough to make money off it. Shameless pimping of your children a la Kathy Lee Epstein Gifford. Where are Cody and Cassidy now?
I have a hard time with this...As an atheist, even.
Most religious folks I talk to are pretty nice. They don't APPEAR to be planning on plunging a stake through my heart, or whipping me with a rubber chicken.
A scary thought always occurs to me ...If they are able to accept ONE idea on faith...Maybe other VIOLENT ideas are easier to accept.
Slippery slope arguments can quickly deteriorate into ad hominems, though, so I'm careful with this line of thought.
I would hasten to add, however, that it wasn't religion "itself" that caused all of these events, since other large groups of people have behaved similarly due to nationalism or tribalism.
Politically active organized religion is just a symptom of the knack for immoral individuals seeking power to take advantage of the gullible and credulous.
Gullibility is the true culprit? No. The culprit is what the motivation behind an act is.
The terrorists from 9/11 were religiously motivated. (Or, if you want to be joking about it, their penis was so they could get pussy in heaven.) It's also not just about killing people... what about homophobia and same-sex marriage? The top 5 reasons people give as to why it should be banned are religion based.
Yeah, they're gullible, but that's not the motivation behind what they do.
Look...In order to be "religiously" motivated, you have to "accept" the religion that you're being asked to follow.
A leader screaming obedience at an empty room is no leader.
The motivation behind what they do...What MAKES them gullible is the fact that they want to belong (for whatever reason...I think the REASONS vary. This makes combating them difficult).
We may just be arguing "chicken and the egg" here.
9nihn: Are you suggesting that Princesses kill millions of people or that "God Bless You" has killed millions of people?
"Columbus" may have killed millions of people (Though I think that's giving him more credit than he deserves), but I don't care about him...I just care about my day off.
My day off only killed 320 people. And most of them died of natural causes.
There is true sense of 'superiority' anymore in the sense of the democratic process. The royal family is retained purely as an integral part of British heritage, they have no real power.
Yeah pretty much. They don't cause any harm, bring in far far more money in tourism than they cost to the taxpayer and have no real political power (typo in the last post sorry, I mean ISNT).
the only argument i can offer is that there is no way jefferson (or any of the founding fathers) saw how good the relations between the us and gb became and i think that open communication led to this love of royalty and how people these days love famous people and royalty means you are automatically famous.
Well you don't want to be an ideologue (or do you?) I spent a lot of my life being an ideologue, but at some I realized my adherence to rational absolutes (the idea of royalty is always bad) was in fact, itself irrational. Instead, everything should really be taken on a case by case basis. Royalty in your government, probably a bad idea, pretend royalty at your daughters party? Well she loves it, and how the hell can that possibly be a bad idea?
I get what you're saying, but some times you've got to lighten up and let kids play. Fairy princesses are magical and fun and certainly no real. Childhood should be a time to make believe.
caltrop69, why do we have to keep cultural norms around? Why not make new ones? It's just as easy to say Gesutheit (or however you actually spell that word) which just means "health," which I think is much more appropriate to the situation. Why even recognize sneezing as anything at all really?
I don't yell at people when they say "God bless you" or anything, but that doesn't mean that I have follow that just because there happens to be a majority of Christians in America.
I hate to answer a question WITH a question, but why would saying "health" mean anything more than "god bless?"
Both are just noises you make.
I don't think modern Christians actually BELIEVE that your soul escapes when you sneeze, thus requiring that you be blessed, in order to avoid being possessed by Satan...Which is what started the custom.
At this point, it's just a noise I make in response to someone sneezing. I certainly don't give the religious origins any merit.
First, that's not the etymology of "Bless you." It's one of the *possible* explanations, but it's not fully known. It might have started with the Plague because sneezing was the first sign you caught it, and other deal with demons, etc.
Regardless, saying health is a hope that a person isn't getting sick. It shows concern for the person without having to invoke a deity/religion/etc. It is secular.
Ahhh...It may not be, but my point wasn't to discuss the origin...My point was to explain that the origin doesn't matter, even to those OF religious persuasion.
I do find it curious that somehow the word "god" crept into the phrase. Would you be OK with someone just saying "bless you" and omitting the "god" part, or would the religious overtones still bother you?
It wasn't my intent either, but I do like to stop misconceptions whenever possible.
It doesn't bother me at all with or without the "God" before it. But, what bothers me is when people expect *ME* to say "Bless you" because that's the culteral norm. No thanks. I'll use a secular version.
That's what was bothering me about you is that I thought you felt that you *had* to say "bless you" because it was the cultural norm rather than just a colloquial mannerism.
Second, it's not a matter of giving religion merit. It's a matter of pandering. You're using a religious saying simply because it's the norm.
Why no just use a secular saying: same recognition to the person, no religious overtones. If more people refuse to use religious sayings, maybe atheism would be more mainstream and we wouldn't get crap like people who think the earth is only 6000 years old in positions of power, especially positions like on the state board of education.
I employ this quasi "religious saying" because it's filtered into the language that I happen to use. I must admit, I wish I had more control over my colloquial mannerisms, but, at this point, I'd rather accept them and concentrate on things that are more important to me.
That being said, I certainly have nothing against your crusade.
I've long since given up trying to convince people that their god thingy is unsound. People LIKE to believe without reason.
If using it as a colloquial doesn't bother you than fine. My experiences made me try to get rid of all of it. I no longer say "Bless you." I use "Gesunheit." I've been trying to remove explitives like "Jesus Christ" and "Goddamn it" as well, but those are harder.
I must add I don't like you calling it a Crusade. I'm not going to kill anyone over it. Ridicule and possibly insult, yes, but I wouldn't bring physical harm, nor would I force anyone to give up their beliefs no matter how insane.
It's all about intention, not interpretation. As long as the intention of Moxie isn't to support the concept of being born into royalty, then it doesn't matter for shit. She just wants to dress pretty and that's perfectly alright.
Gender roles will always be in place through mass media. Telling girls "Buy the Barbie play house set" or telling boys "Buy G.I. Joe". I mean go to a Toys R Us, the color scheme tells you which section is tailored for girls and the other boys. Breaking that mold takes a lot courage. I remember being made fun of in school for liking the action packed "boys show" DBZ and being a girl. But its her choice to follow the trend or break free from it.
It's all about feeling pretty, Penn. You're not looking at it through your daughter's eyes. I have a 13 yr old and I swear she about crapped her pants when I looked up the "meaning" to her name. It means "Princess" on most websites. She's 13 yrs old and still brags about it. She still loves all animated cartoons where a princess is the center of the story. It's just a fantasy. Most of us girls wanted to wear the pretty dresses and jewels when we were young. No other thought was given to it.
It's OK Penn. My parents let me play with toy guns, cops and robbers, cowboys and indians when I was a kid. I turned out to be quite a non violent, non judgmental, non racist adult.
Penn, get your daughter Season I of the Wonder Woman live-action TV series on DVD. She's a princess, but also an ass-kicking libertarian who's not ashamed of her physical beauty. As far as these things go, it's the least repugnant way to satisfy the young-girl princess urge.
Now, as to the Disney bimbos in corsets and castles, I explain to my daughter that they chop the heads off those with whom they disagree. Sure, that's the short short version, but it gets to the point.
Your friend gave you some great advice, Penn. Ya can't force those things. All you can (should?) do is the best you can and hope your daughter grows up to reflect the work you put into parenting her.
Big of you to let her have her fantasy in which princesses were good and noble...she'll learn well as your daughter as she gets older that royalty really sucks especially the whole inbreeding thing!!! LOL It'll be okay big guy!
I think we're all hypocrites. It's just whether or not one is willing to acknowledge it when one catches oneself.
Cinderella though, is not royalty. The Cinderella story is actually very libertarian. So in this context I don't think Penn is being a hypocrite by allowing princesses in his Slammer.
In fact, the idea that all little girls are princesses is a bold way of denouncing the concept of noble blood. Every man is king in his home, and their little girls are their princesses.
Kids dont see things the same way.Its all just for fun.Now if she were 20 and thinks or wants to be a princess.Just smack her and tell her to get a job.
while i am with you about the whole princess thing... i am glad she got the party she wanted - and that you allowed her to express her wishes for her birthday - i think that it shows that you are openminded and that you accept and respect people for who they are and what they want = )
you know what you should do (or should have done) tell her bed time stories about evil tryanical princess and a good non-princess who overthrows her and is offered the right to be a princess but refuses ("I did not lead a revolution against George the Third in order to become George the First" george washington). That way maybe she won't think princesses are so cool. (maybe the princess could start a venice style merchant republic)
That is really good to hear. She will have more years to be an adult than a kid. Let her dream. Like you said she was very happy, and that is what it comes down to. I have a daughter that is also 4 years old and means the world to me. Kids at that age do not completely understand how the world is.
I agree that real royalty is crap, and you as her father, she will come to understand that also in time.
I can see why the whole princess thing messes with the libertarian thing And your acceptance of her being four and it being her party is being a good dad. kids need their fantasies, dreams and play. that's how the deal and relate to the world and hopefully she grows out it before she's 20. and when she gets old enough to understand abstractions like values etc she can either go i get it or tell you to fuck off pops
LOL Well, hell, if a 4 year old has pretends to be a princess, there's no problem with that. If you ranted about that before the party, you are a horrible evil dreadful man! Now, this culture that says every kid is special just for existing? Yeah, rant about that.
It always shocks me how many things I agree with Penn on although I admit there are things I strongly disagree with him on as well.
One of the things I have been trying to figure out for a very long time is what the female obsession is with Princesses and to this day I simply cant grasp it.
I think it makes them look very silly but maybe I am missing something???
If it is any consolation, the original Cinderella is a heroine who earns her Prince Charming. She is common born and becomes a princess through wiles, wits and cleverness.
It's probably good to get a running head start on it. Raising 15, 10 and 6 (bonus question: when were they all Fibonacci number ages and why won't that happen again) it isn't about to get any easier. Good luck though, it helps to chew up the insides of your cheek early on about it so you're good and ready when the real stuff starts.
I gotta tell you, Penn, I was horrified by your attitude toward your daughter's budding interest in beauty, romance, and intelligence. That's all being a "princess" means to her. Don't kill it. She'll never learn to embrace freedom if you work to destroy her ideas about what is beautiful, romantic, and smart. Her fascination has nothing to do with being "born into power." That's your hang up, not hers.
For some reason, these penn Says videos always take forever to load. I have to pause them at the beginning and then wait about fifteen minutes for them to load all the way before I play them, otherwise they freeze up every four seconds. Most other Youtube videos don't do this, just the Penn Says (and a few others). It's really annoying.
Now she wants to be a princess and dream about hooking up with Prince Charming. Later on she'll get all into the "Twilight" stuff and dream about hooking up with a sparkling vampire ;) BTW Penn, Happy (early) 4th of July.
I think (or at least hope) you're over-estimating the lasting power of "Twilight"... Nine years from now, when Moxie becomes a teen, "Twilight" should be nothing more than a fad.
I have a question, can someone please tell me how giving trillions of tax dollars to banks and businesses is a good thing and why it was even considered? I know its off topic but im really uninformed on this and id figure atleast a smart and connected dude like Penn would know the real logistics of it. I know i dont like it and these businesses fail thats their fault, shouldnt the struggling businesses below them take their place when they go under, i just dont get it, sorry off topic
It frustrates me, couldnt they gave the 3 trillion to normal working class people and thatd be like 10's of thousands of dollars each? wouldnt that of helped the economy more and saved most people their homes and made life a bit easier for everyone? How could they choose giving money to GMs or the Banks rather than an extreme stimulus package for the people, we need the help more
I would never let my daughter grow up thinking shes a princess. she would be smart self sufficient, athletic, artistic and free spirtited.
misterysylver 2 weeks ago
pennsays my msn in profile! Princess Party
sexykatie90 1 year ago
I hate the princess mentality and more-so how little girls are brought up with these ideas. It's why a lot of women are very VERY idealistic and ultimately makes for a lot of pain in the long run when things don't end up like the "fairy tales" do. Makes me sick... Not hating on penn's video or choice in any way, if anyone could guide his girl to a more realistic way of life it's Penn.
fourtywpm 1 year ago
I think as long as the emphasis of princess parties is on fantasy, make believe and other creative outlets they won't be in any way damaging. The problem, I think, comes when parents dote on their child, spoil them and encourage a sense of entitlement because they're little princesses. Also reinforcing gender roles and being a 'lady'. But that's not going to happen just because of a princess themed party.
doombuggy123 1 year ago
Love>pride
JLJorgenson18 1 year ago
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pennsays 1 year ago
Yes, but aint we all. Happy Birthday Moxie!
knight1wolf 1 year ago
shame on u
zach9899 1 year ago
People may criticize him for over thinking a child's birthday party but I'm sort of with him on this one, conceptually anyway. People wouldn't be so cavalier about accepting a 'Spanish Inquisition' kids birthday party, even if the kids had 'no idea' about the politics of said event and only loved the 'funny costumes' and bright colors... or something. I'd use a better metaphor but I'm drunk and nobody cares anyway. Elvis didn't do no drugs!
JoeDeceiver 1 year ago
Thats not hypocrisy thats the power of love. some things are just more important then standing up for your principles.
karn33333 2 years ago
"Thomas Jefferson, Tom Paine, the cool guys"
Haha, love your videos Penn. Keep it up.
Awesomesome 2 years ago
@Awesomesome Maybe Penn will be able to convince his son to have an American Revolutionaries Party.
pennsays 2 years ago
Penn... as I think almost everyone else is stating: she turned four. I didn't really think (much less know) about the divine right of kings at that age. I even watched *gasp* Disney movies when I was young. And I turned into a feminist atheist any way. There's nothing wrong with a little imagination.
sepalm1770 2 years ago
Penn - Your brutal honesty and approach to discussing life is totally refreshing. Thank you, thank you, thank you for sharing your thoughts!
nevikthenomad 2 years ago 2
Penn, you got to be fucking me. She's four. Of course she loves all things princess. It has nothing to do with politics whatsoever. A four year old likes princesses cause they got pink dresses, not because she is interested in the system of government! As your friend says, SHUT UP and take a picture of your kid. Seriously.
MissNobodyful 2 years ago
Um, you totally missed the point, cynic. he pretty much admits what you just said. and DUH, moxy's fancy for princesses has nothing to do with politics: he certainly didn't imply he thought that.
causticmario 2 years ago
"She's my little girl, and if she grows up to be a drunken christian preacher..." And that's what it all boils down to.
rejershnivit 2 years ago
well there is i think a difference between fairy tale royalty and historical royalty. A little romantic story of knights saving princesses and kingdoms from dragons and stuff, is not bad in fact its a big literary theme and i think encourages the imagination. but historical royalty is the bad kind the arrogant pricks who thought they had a god given right to rule over all the little ants below them is not a good concept
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Penn . . .
you are a truly genuine human being. This story made me smile from ear to ear. :D
P0mt3 2 years ago
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as is life.
worldmayhem 2 years ago
Nihilism is underrated.
worldmayhem 2 years ago
Give your kid an odd name/distinct brand identity and then promote it until she is old enough to make money off it. Shameless pimping of your children a la Kathy Lee Epstein Gifford. Where are Cody and Cassidy now?
bumpyjjeans 2 years ago 9
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gummybrain 2 years ago
9nihn :
I have a hard time with this...As an atheist, even.
Most religious folks I talk to are pretty nice. They don't APPEAR to be planning on plunging a stake through my heart, or whipping me with a rubber chicken.
A scary thought always occurs to me ...If they are able to accept ONE idea on faith...Maybe other VIOLENT ideas are easier to accept.
Slippery slope arguments can quickly deteriorate into ad hominems, though, so I'm careful with this line of thought.
caltrop69 2 years ago
9nihn: Agreed.
I would hasten to add, however, that it wasn't religion "itself" that caused all of these events, since other large groups of people have behaved similarly due to nationalism or tribalism.
Politically active organized religion is just a symptom of the knack for immoral individuals seeking power to take advantage of the gullible and credulous.
Gullibility is the true culprit.
caltrop69 2 years ago
Gullibility is the true culprit? No. The culprit is what the motivation behind an act is.
The terrorists from 9/11 were religiously motivated. (Or, if you want to be joking about it, their penis was so they could get pussy in heaven.) It's also not just about killing people... what about homophobia and same-sex marriage? The top 5 reasons people give as to why it should be banned are religion based.
Yeah, they're gullible, but that's not the motivation behind what they do.
KemaTheAtheist 2 years ago
KemaTheAtheist:
*sigh*
Look...In order to be "religiously" motivated, you have to "accept" the religion that you're being asked to follow.
A leader screaming obedience at an empty room is no leader.
The motivation behind what they do...What MAKES them gullible is the fact that they want to belong (for whatever reason...I think the REASONS vary. This makes combating them difficult).
We may just be arguing "chicken and the egg" here.
Either way: Bad epistemology should be opposed.
caltrop69 2 years ago
9nihn: Are you suggesting that Princesses kill millions of people or that "God Bless You" has killed millions of people?
"Columbus" may have killed millions of people (Though I think that's giving him more credit than he deserves), but I don't care about him...I just care about my day off.
My day off only killed 320 people. And most of them died of natural causes.
caltrop69 2 years ago
There is true sense of 'superiority' anymore in the sense of the democratic process. The royal family is retained purely as an integral part of British heritage, they have no real power.
thunderbird182 2 years ago
thunderbird: They're like a living museum?
I don't know why anyone would have a problem with that idea.
caltrop69 2 years ago
Yeah pretty much. They don't cause any harm, bring in far far more money in tourism than they cost to the taxpayer and have no real political power (typo in the last post sorry, I mean ISNT).
thunderbird182 2 years ago
I heard what you meant. ;)
caltrop69 2 years ago
the only argument i can offer is that there is no way jefferson (or any of the founding fathers) saw how good the relations between the us and gb became and i think that open communication led to this love of royalty and how people these days love famous people and royalty means you are automatically famous.
ashburn247 2 years ago
Well you don't want to be an ideologue (or do you?) I spent a lot of my life being an ideologue, but at some I realized my adherence to rational absolutes (the idea of royalty is always bad) was in fact, itself irrational. Instead, everything should really be taken on a case by case basis. Royalty in your government, probably a bad idea, pretend royalty at your daughters party? Well she loves it, and how the hell can that possibly be a bad idea?
jidar 2 years ago
I get what you're saying, but some times you've got to lighten up and let kids play. Fairy princesses are magical and fun and certainly no real. Childhood should be a time to make believe.
litalearthquakes 2 years ago
I'm an atheist who says, "God Bless You." when people sneeze.
Some people hate Columbus day, because of Christopher Columbus' treatment of American Indians. I just like having another excuse for a holiday.
Isn't there room for accepting certain cultural norms, without necessarily approving of their origins?
caltrop69 2 years ago
caltrop69, why do we have to keep cultural norms around? Why not make new ones? It's just as easy to say Gesutheit (or however you actually spell that word) which just means "health," which I think is much more appropriate to the situation. Why even recognize sneezing as anything at all really?
I don't yell at people when they say "God bless you" or anything, but that doesn't mean that I have follow that just because there happens to be a majority of Christians in America.
KemaTheAtheist 2 years ago
KemaTheAtheist:
I hate to answer a question WITH a question, but why would saying "health" mean anything more than "god bless?"
Both are just noises you make.
I don't think modern Christians actually BELIEVE that your soul escapes when you sneeze, thus requiring that you be blessed, in order to avoid being possessed by Satan...Which is what started the custom.
At this point, it's just a noise I make in response to someone sneezing. I certainly don't give the religious origins any merit.
caltrop69 2 years ago
First, that's not the etymology of "Bless you." It's one of the *possible* explanations, but it's not fully known. It might have started with the Plague because sneezing was the first sign you caught it, and other deal with demons, etc.
Regardless, saying health is a hope that a person isn't getting sick. It shows concern for the person without having to invoke a deity/religion/etc. It is secular.
[cont]
KemaTheAtheist 2 years ago
KemaTheAtheist:
Ahhh...It may not be, but my point wasn't to discuss the origin...My point was to explain that the origin doesn't matter, even to those OF religious persuasion.
I do find it curious that somehow the word "god" crept into the phrase. Would you be OK with someone just saying "bless you" and omitting the "god" part, or would the religious overtones still bother you?
caltrop69 2 years ago
It wasn't my intent either, but I do like to stop misconceptions whenever possible.
It doesn't bother me at all with or without the "God" before it. But, what bothers me is when people expect *ME* to say "Bless you" because that's the culteral norm. No thanks. I'll use a secular version.
That's what was bothering me about you is that I thought you felt that you *had* to say "bless you" because it was the cultural norm rather than just a colloquial mannerism.
KemaTheAtheist 2 years ago
Second, it's not a matter of giving religion merit. It's a matter of pandering. You're using a religious saying simply because it's the norm.
Why no just use a secular saying: same recognition to the person, no religious overtones. If more people refuse to use religious sayings, maybe atheism would be more mainstream and we wouldn't get crap like people who think the earth is only 6000 years old in positions of power, especially positions like on the state board of education.
KemaTheAtheist 2 years ago
KemaTheAtheist:
I employ this quasi "religious saying" because it's filtered into the language that I happen to use. I must admit, I wish I had more control over my colloquial mannerisms, but, at this point, I'd rather accept them and concentrate on things that are more important to me.
That being said, I certainly have nothing against your crusade.
I've long since given up trying to convince people that their god thingy is unsound. People LIKE to believe without reason.
caltrop69 2 years ago
If using it as a colloquial doesn't bother you than fine. My experiences made me try to get rid of all of it. I no longer say "Bless you." I use "Gesunheit." I've been trying to remove explitives like "Jesus Christ" and "Goddamn it" as well, but those are harder.
I must add I don't like you calling it a Crusade. I'm not going to kill anyone over it. Ridicule and possibly insult, yes, but I wouldn't bring physical harm, nor would I force anyone to give up their beliefs no matter how insane.
KemaTheAtheist 2 years ago
It's all about intention, not interpretation. As long as the intention of Moxie isn't to support the concept of being born into royalty, then it doesn't matter for shit. She just wants to dress pretty and that's perfectly alright.
mwtillotson 2 years ago
All the cool guys. LoL. Thomas Paine is the original T-Paine
K2Tanner 2 years ago
Princess Parties are gross.
stinkylettuce 2 years ago
Can't wait to see the mediocre mainstream media borefest developed from these stilted, assinine "personal" videos.
zooooooperdooooooper 2 years ago 2
Great comments folks-- any objections to the princess stuff out there? too commercial? Gender role stereotypes? Or are you all OK with it?
pennsays 2 years ago
Gender roles will always be in place through mass media. Telling girls "Buy the Barbie play house set" or telling boys "Buy G.I. Joe". I mean go to a Toys R Us, the color scheme tells you which section is tailored for girls and the other boys. Breaking that mold takes a lot courage. I remember being made fun of in school for liking the action packed "boys show" DBZ and being a girl. But its her choice to follow the trend or break free from it.
LordAlucardsbride 2 years ago
Leave it to a four year old to shake the very foundation of your beliefs.
larrysupersport 2 years ago
Good for you Penn. You'll always love that picture of Moxie having her princess party. You're a good Dad.
pkm828 2 years ago
It's all about feeling pretty, Penn. You're not looking at it through your daughter's eyes. I have a 13 yr old and I swear she about crapped her pants when I looked up the "meaning" to her name. It means "Princess" on most websites. She's 13 yrs old and still brags about it. She still loves all animated cartoons where a princess is the center of the story. It's just a fantasy. Most of us girls wanted to wear the pretty dresses and jewels when we were young. No other thought was given to it.
lovetbaby 2 years ago 2
It's all for play, Penn. Your friend hit the nail on the head.
IWontGetOvertheDam 2 years ago
Is her name Cody or Cassidy? So hard to keep up with vital information.
funboy7979 2 years ago
It's OK Penn. My parents let me play with toy guns, cops and robbers, cowboys and indians when I was a kid. I turned out to be quite a non violent, non judgmental, non racist adult.
scotsmanlerxt 2 years ago
Well it was the French royalty who helped the US to defeat the Britsh.
jgrowley3 2 years ago
The only immoral part of hypocrisy is when people refuse to admit it, or when necessary, correct it.
PistoleroJesse 2 years ago
Penn, get your daughter Season I of the Wonder Woman live-action TV series on DVD. She's a princess, but also an ass-kicking libertarian who's not ashamed of her physical beauty. As far as these things go, it's the least repugnant way to satisfy the young-girl princess urge.
Now, as to the Disney bimbos in corsets and castles, I explain to my daughter that they chop the heads off those with whom they disagree. Sure, that's the short short version, but it gets to the point.
flowerpt 2 years ago
Change her name to JonBenet.
mmmrazor 2 years ago
Your friend gave you some great advice, Penn. Ya can't force those things. All you can (should?) do is the best you can and hope your daughter grows up to reflect the work you put into parenting her.
Bobbiethejean 2 years ago
I have three daughters.
We play pretend and dress up. It's not always princess. Sometimes it's warriors, or pirates, or ninjas, or pokemon...whatever. Just have fun.
The princess thing fades too. My seven year old now likes skulls. She says they are the opposite of hearts!
debaser71 2 years ago
Big of you to let her have her fantasy in which princesses were good and noble...she'll learn well as your daughter as she gets older that royalty really sucks especially the whole inbreeding thing!!! LOL It'll be okay big guy!
Horseinthefog 2 years ago
I think we're all hypocrites. It's just whether or not one is willing to acknowledge it when one catches oneself.
Cinderella though, is not royalty. The Cinderella story is actually very libertarian. So in this context I don't think Penn is being a hypocrite by allowing princesses in his Slammer.
In fact, the idea that all little girls are princesses is a bold way of denouncing the concept of noble blood. Every man is king in his home, and their little girls are their princesses.
ZachsMind 2 years ago 2
What if she grows up to be a Scientologist?
culwin 2 years ago
what a horrible thing to wish upon an innocent child you bastard!
bahremon2170 2 years ago
If she grows up to be a Scientologist, she'll be torn away from her family by the cult.
It saddens and upsets family members, but no matter what, even Scientology, can't kill a parent's love for their children.
DragonMasterMarf 2 years ago
Kids dont see things the same way.Its all just for fun.Now if she were 20 and thinks or wants to be a princess.Just smack her and tell her to get a job.
BenderBurgers 2 years ago
The only people in power in early America were people of wealth most born into that wealth (Thomas Jefferson and George Washington).
bkatjbs 2 years ago 2
Jefferson married into wealth.
flowerpt 2 years ago
None the less still a person of privilege, who without that status could not have had a much impact a he did.
bkatjbs 2 years ago
while i am with you about the whole princess thing... i am glad she got the party she wanted - and that you allowed her to express her wishes for her birthday - i think that it shows that you are openminded and that you accept and respect people for who they are and what they want = )
iamdemom1 2 years ago
you know what you should do (or should have done) tell her bed time stories about evil tryanical princess and a good non-princess who overthrows her and is offered the right to be a princess but refuses ("I did not lead a revolution against George the Third in order to become George the First" george washington). That way maybe she won't think princesses are so cool. (maybe the princess could start a venice style merchant republic)
Limejello10512 2 years ago
Way to man up and be a parent !
CoLegacy 2 years ago
Kids do grow up, way to fast. Enjoy every day you have with them.
steffes75 2 years ago
That is really good to hear. She will have more years to be an adult than a kid. Let her dream. Like you said she was very happy, and that is what it comes down to. I have a daughter that is also 4 years old and means the world to me. Kids at that age do not completely understand how the world is.
I agree that real royalty is crap, and you as her father, she will come to understand that also in time.
Genjosprig 2 years ago
I can see why the whole princess thing messes with the libertarian thing And your acceptance of her being four and it being her party is being a good dad. kids need their fantasies, dreams and play. that's how the deal and relate to the world and hopefully she grows out it before she's 20. and when she gets old enough to understand abstractions like values etc she can either go i get it or tell you to fuck off pops
muttgooch 2 years ago 3
A human being daddy comes out. I learned that sit down and shut up thing a few years back too. It's humbling.
MaderaGuy 2 years ago
LOL Well, hell, if a 4 year old has pretends to be a princess, there's no problem with that. If you ranted about that before the party, you are a horrible evil dreadful man! Now, this culture that says every kid is special just for existing? Yeah, rant about that.
PragmaticHeathen 2 years ago
Wait, which culture is that?
Herter1 2 years ago
a segment of American culture, so I guess that would be a subculture
PragmaticHeathen 2 years ago
Oh.
Herter1 2 years ago
"It won't last long, shut the fuck up and take a picture."
Great advice.
Prytonis 2 years ago 7
You Rock Penn.
harryogre 2 years ago
It always shocks me how many things I agree with Penn on although I admit there are things I strongly disagree with him on as well.
One of the things I have been trying to figure out for a very long time is what the female obsession is with Princesses and to this day I simply cant grasp it.
I think it makes them look very silly but maybe I am missing something???
ConservativeAtheist 2 years ago
Moxie freedom fighter? Like Moxie Crime fighter?
zet168 2 years ago
Goes to show you Penn, fathers will do about *anything* for their little girls...
LOL...my daddy still does, and he's got 4!
steffiphill 2 years ago 2
If it is any consolation, the original Cinderella is a heroine who earns her Prince Charming. She is common born and becomes a princess through wiles, wits and cleverness.
LordStrange 2 years ago 5
It's probably good to get a running head start on it. Raising 15, 10 and 6 (bonus question: when were they all Fibonacci number ages and why won't that happen again) it isn't about to get any easier. Good luck though, it helps to chew up the insides of your cheek early on about it so you're good and ready when the real stuff starts.
LarrySDonald 2 years ago
if firefighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight?
vipervenomous 2 years ago
Semantics
OniMorter 2 years ago
aha!
Propolandante 2 years ago
firefighters start fires you silly goose.
blackrainuponus 2 years ago
No, for your birthday party, you should bring back the cinderella lady...
And love is a survival mechanism for the perpetuation of the species. So whatever.
stevenodd 2 years ago
Read "You Call This A Democracy?" by Paul Kivel and then decide whether the country was meant to be a democracy.
888zzz 2 years ago
Excellent confession. Don't worry we wont think any less of you for it. In fact, kudos to you for telling the truth.
jmosler9 2 years ago
As the daddy of a little girl my self... Got to say way to go Penn... Got to love daddy's little girl... And she always in the princess...
Steve37643 2 years ago
The things we do for our children. It's called Unconditional love and there are no morals or laws that apply nor regulate it.
korleonis 2 years ago
Thanks Penn for being a princess for your girl :)
thebeautywithin678 2 years ago
Well penn was a princess for a day. At least he wasn't a queen.
AntaresInScorpius 2 years ago
everyone's a hypocrite. it's such a useless word to use against someone. people change their mind on things all the time.
gadarenedemon 2 years ago 2
1:00. Damn that's some high expectations you've got there. You want her to both fight against crime and for freedom. Lol see what I did thar?
InvertedHorizon 2 years ago
I gotta tell you, Penn, I was horrified by your attitude toward your daughter's budding interest in beauty, romance, and intelligence. That's all being a "princess" means to her. Don't kill it. She'll never learn to embrace freedom if you work to destroy her ideas about what is beautiful, romantic, and smart. Her fascination has nothing to do with being "born into power." That's your hang up, not hers.
tsummerlee 2 years ago 2
Thanks for wearing a crown for your daughter. There are few things better than making your child happy.
keithrockerboblewis 2 years ago
For some reason, these penn Says videos always take forever to load. I have to pause them at the beginning and then wait about fifteen minutes for them to load all the way before I play them, otherwise they freeze up every four seconds. Most other Youtube videos don't do this, just the Penn Says (and a few others). It's really annoying.
kittyprydekissme 2 years ago
Thomas Jefferson > *
kbrinks 2 years ago
Now she wants to be a princess and dream about hooking up with Prince Charming. Later on she'll get all into the "Twilight" stuff and dream about hooking up with a sparkling vampire ;) BTW Penn, Happy (early) 4th of July.
bracomadar 2 years ago
Wonder if Penn is gonna have an Independence party.
kbrinks 2 years ago
I think (or at least hope) you're over-estimating the lasting power of "Twilight"... Nine years from now, when Moxie becomes a teen, "Twilight" should be nothing more than a fad.
gwang75 2 years ago
True, maybe it won't last that long. Maybe by then, there will be some book/movie where a teen girl falls in love with a zombie, or something.
bracomadar 2 years ago
o she's 4 little her be a princess
pissedoffnerd1 2 years ago
I have a question, can someone please tell me how giving trillions of tax dollars to banks and businesses is a good thing and why it was even considered? I know its off topic but im really uninformed on this and id figure atleast a smart and connected dude like Penn would know the real logistics of it. I know i dont like it and these businesses fail thats their fault, shouldnt the struggling businesses below them take their place when they go under, i just dont get it, sorry off topic
JohnnyWeedSeed420 2 years ago
It frustrates me, couldnt they gave the 3 trillion to normal working class people and thatd be like 10's of thousands of dollars each? wouldnt that of helped the economy more and saved most people their homes and made life a bit easier for everyone? How could they choose giving money to GMs or the Banks rather than an extreme stimulus package for the people, we need the help more
JohnnyWeedSeed420 2 years ago
Hello Penn
ArtinEmil 2 years ago