check history, unions don't exist because companies are benevolent, but because of the blindly power hungry and greedy owner(s). Someone who think union members are whining primadonas are basicly dictators striving for more power and likly studying how to convince others that no means yes.
Public union teachers are pathetic takers within our society.
AVERAGE WAGE PLUS BENEFITS for WI EDUCATORS (This is for 9 months of work) includes retirement benefits, health and life insurance, sick day pay accrual, vacation days, personal holidays.)
UNIVERSITY of WISCONSINSTAFF(2009 salary alone):
Prof of Business - $327,828
Chancellor- $437,000
Prof. of Nutritional Science - $254,877
(Source:Madison.com. The UW removed salaries from being posted online in 2007.)
@gbpackers05 Why are you talking about colleges? For the most part colleges are private and the only reason for a professor to get paid that much is when they are doing something else in the college. Prof of business takes care of accounting. Prof of Nutritional science is probable the head of the research department. You must remember that a college is a business.
Public union teachers are pathetic takers within our society.
AVERAGE WAGE PLUS BENEFITS for WI EDUCATORS (This is for 9 months of work) includes retirement benefits, health and life insurance, sick day pay accrual, vacation days, personal holidays.) ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF:
Public union teachers are pathetic takers within our society. AVERAGE WAGE PLUS BENEFITS for WI EDUCATORS (This is for 9 months of work) includes retirement benefits, health and life insurance, sick day pay accrual, vacation days, personal holidays.) TEACHERS: Milwaukee $86,297 Elmbrook $91,065 Germantown $83,818 Hartland Arrowhead $90,285 (highest teacher was $122,952. Lowest was $64,942) Men Falls $81,099 West Bend $82,153 Waukesha $92,902 Sussex $82,956 Mequon $95,297
The Republican brand was trashed by George W. Bush. They tried to rebrand themselves as the Tea Party. They say they are not Republican or Democrats. They lie. These TeaBaggers are financed by Republican Dick Army. I hear they don't like to be called TeaBaggers so we should now refer to then as the Dick Army or the Army of Dicks. The Koch brothers are spending money to buy politicians to do their bidding. These politicians are prostitutes. What do you call a TeaBagger not getting paid? Whores
@STUBBORNOTTER calling teabaggers Whores is an insult to WHORES.
the Koch bros paid for the busses, joe the plumber fake, all of the Tea Baggers and for all of their hotel stays when they took their 2 bus loads of "in support of Scott Wanker protesters" around the state of WI.
If they ain'y lying they're bull shitting, we don't call it spin up here in WI.
@bobrat BWHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ! Oh it is the SCAAAAARY KOCH brothers!! You DO KNOW that this is just something your controlling masters use to make you wet your little pink panties don't you? They controll you with such baloney and you fall for it every time!
All Lies, a WI. Dept of Transportation electrician, pays 100% of their health care $1900.00 per month and they already contribute 5.8 % of their After TAX wage to their PENSIONS all of it it payed for by them selves.
Teachers start at 36,000 per school year plus health care they pay their OWN Pension.
Teachers in WI didn't get a raise in pay for over 14 years under Gov. Thompson
so like how do you come up w / $80,000 in wages and bennies.
@bobrat They're good at lies, huh? A couple of days ago, republican Senator Jon Kyl said (on the senate floor) that Planned Parenthood uses 90% of its funding to provide abortions, when it is actually 3%. A slight difference there. When confronted about it, he said nothing, but sent his cronies to make the statement that "It wasn't meant to be taken as fact". What??? That's how they work. Then Fox broadcasts only the lie. Since Foxers don't get news from any other source, they just buy it all.
@littleladyinbigworld YOU should look at the timing of the clips that they quoted the Fox people from. Those ALL occurred when the bill DID INDEED call for prison sentences if you refused to pay the fines for not buying health insurance. FOX was telling the truth.
Democrats REMOVED that provision BECAUSE of the ACTUAL reporting that Fox News did on the issue.
You REALLY should not get ANY information from MSNBC or Media matters, because it is THEY who are the liars.
@ToddAldrich Ha Ha!!! I have a long list of fox news lies and it's a fun drinking game every time they continuously mention them. I think you need to do some real research bud and don't just listen to the fox news propaganda.
@soulhunter59 Sorry, I don't get my news from Fox. That is just a lie your masters program you with.
And if you get your information either directly or indirectly from Media Matters, I can pretty much guarantee you that the majority of them are GROSS misrepresentations or flat out lies.
@ToddAldrich No it's the way you speak that tells me you worship the all knowing fox news and Glenn Beck. I don't have a master but the way you speak you absolutely do. I don't know what to tell you man. I get my information from years of research and a love for politics and history.
@ToddAldrich All tax cuts and low taxes equals lower revenues no exceptions. Now you can tell me I'm wrong all you want but no I'm correct and your fooling yourself if you think it helps revenues. Higher taxes is higher revenues. I could not tell you why but that's how it is.
@soulhunter59 I thought you were so well researched??? You are ABSOLUTELY wrong, and I can explain WHY you are wrong. This is what I do for a living. When you decrease taxes, you increase the incentive for businesses to risk their money. This risk takes the form of investments in new technologies, new facilities or entirely new products - such as clean energy or perhaps a cure for aids. These investments create jobs both in research and in production. More tax payers = more money (cont)
@soulhunter59 Collecting 10% from 1000 people making $40K is FAR better (revenue wise for the government) than collecting 20% from 200 people making the same amount.
More taxpayers = more money for the government.
You are an absolute brainwashed FOOL if you say it does not happen. IT DOES happen and it DID with Bush's tax cuts.
Now, does it ALWAYS lead to higher revenues for the government, ABSOLUTELY NOT - but it can, and it did in the case I mentioned. ESPECIALLY the cuts on the "rich".
@soulhunter59 This is shown by BARACK OBAMA'S OWN 2010 Economic Report of the President. Table B-78
Revenues fell from 2000 to 2003 - BEFORE any significant portion of the Bush tax cuts were in phased in. ONLY after they were phased in did revenues begin to grow.
So let's review. Before the tax cuts - government receipts were FALLING - AFTER the tax cuts, the economy turned around, more people had jobs and as a result, the government had more tax receipts.
As a matter of fact - ALL of the top 5 years for government revenues in the ENTIRE HISTORY OF OUR NATION came AFTER Bush's tax cuts. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
@ToddAldrich Again you are kidding yourself. Your analysis does not make it down to the consumer and the fact that the US government has a high research budget. Fact of the matter is that the reason why medications and cures are so expensive is that the researchers want to make their money they spent. Truth is good investors and business men never think long term. They think about how much they can make right now.Now tell me why I should invest my $250,000,000 when it could be safe in a bank?
GOOD Business men pay me extremely well to advise them on economic matters and I ALWAYS advise them to think long term. YOU don't have a fucking CLUE as to what you are talking about.
You would invest your money IF you have reasonable opportunity to get a higher rate of return than you would at the bank.
And having that money in the bank IS NOT safe. You are a fricking moron if you think so.
@soulhunter59 In addition, what you just said runs absolutely 100% in opposition to the actual history of what happened.
Do facts matter to you ? - Or do you simply spout what your masters have programed you to say? A simple look at the historical FACTS show your talking points to be WORSE than imbecilic.
@soulhunter59 In ADDITION - what the hell do you think the BANKS do with the money you moron??? THEY invest it ALSO. You are so incredibly uninformed on SO MANY of the aspects of this issue that it is LAUGHABLE.
@ToddAldrich Dude your historically stunted and I think you are a big waist of money or your a con artiest. Your also politically stunted and your ideals don't reach the consumer. You must always think of your consumer first which is good and honest business. If people don't have money then all your advice is worthless. You can cut taxes to the rich all you want all it does is hurt the middle and lower class. Which you have no interest in.
@soulhunter59 Well, MY client is not one of the big three that needed bailouts. MY client listened to me and avoided bankruptcy AND did not need to take government tax money.
Tax cuts reach the consumer by GIVING THEM JOBS you moron.
Tax cuts "for the rich" don't help the rich NEARLY as much as they help the poor. The rich don't really care - but the poor need jobs.
And you STILL are ignoring the historical fact that Bush's tax cuts reversed the downward spiraling govt. revenues.
@ToddAldrich Yeah that's why there was massive lay offs all through Bush's administration even after the Bush tax cuts. If the Bush tax cuts helped the DOW would not have dropped 500 points a day. Truth is that no matter how much you cut taxes those jobs wont come back. Remember it took the massive spending of a world war to bring us out of a depression.
@soulhunter59 We created OVER 9.5 MILLION jobs between the implementation of the tax cuts and the time that the Democrats took over after the 2006 midterm elections.ONLY after the Dems took control did we start to lose jobs.The massive spending did no such thing - in fact the spending PROLONGED what WOULD have been a fairly short recession. In Dec. after the 1929 crash unemployment peaked at 9% - by June of 1930, it had fallen to 6.3% - the recession was essentially over - UNTIL govt. "helped".
@ToddAldrich Ok this is when conservatives start to change history. When the stock market crashed people who invested on margin lost everything and had to default on their loans. This was also the time of Hoovvervilles which were shanty towns. He kept promising that the depression would solve itself all the way into the election. The depression is the reason why he lost. In fact there was no double dip until FDR cut spending.
@soulhunter59 There is NO changing of history you can look up my facts. The unemployment rate had dropped - and Hoover did NOT do nothing. Ever hear of Smoot Hawley? Go look it up. Ever hear of the Reconstruction Finance corporation? Go look it up. FDR's "new deal" was not much more than warmed over Hoover programs - and they admitted it (of course well after the fact). Ever hear of the Revenue Act of 1932? Go look it up. You have been sold a FALSE history.
@soulhunter59 Hoovervilles were a fact, but they were NOT caused by Hoover doing nothing. They were caused by Hoover interfering. Hell, FDR campaigned against Hoover by calling him a socialist! THere were MULTIPLE dips during this time and the one following June of 1930 was one of them - and there were NO spending cuts that preceded the majority of them. When the Supreme court threw out many of the New deals programs - things began to improve --- until the Wagner act. (to be continued)
@ToddAldrich Oh and I blame Coolidge for the great depression when he started taking away labor laws. Be happy that the democrats finally did away with unsanitary dung bell apartments of that time period as well.
@soulhunter59 The Dow dropping was due to the banking crisis - AS WAS the recession. And the cause of THAT was liberal policies of interfering in the free market, both in the real estate industry and in the oil industry. Contrary to the misinformation your masters program you with, Bush increased regulations AND interference in the free market. About the only thing he did right economically WAS the tax cuts. Everything else was not so good.
@ToddAldrich Oh and by the way the US is way behind in the discovery of a cure for aides. When the cure is discovered who do you think will get their hands on it first. It wont be the US. It will given to the African people who have no money at all. When you take away incentive though profit and start thinking of people who are in need people are more than willing to give to non profit organizations. Besides they need it more than we do.
@soulhunter59 The rich are willing to give to non profits also but you go ahead and keep spreading your message of hate. People are catching on to your smear tactics and lies.
@ToddAldrich The rich are people too. Bill Gates gives to non profits all the time. It's also true that he has tried to keep the government from cutting their budget as well. It's also true that giving to said programs as a tax write off. You cut the taxes to the rich that lowers incentive as well. But yes the rich give too.
All Lies, a WI. Dept of Transportation electrician, pays 100% of their health care $1900.00 per month and they already contribute 5.8 % of their After TAX wage to their PENSIONS all of it it payed for by them selves.
Teachers start at 36,000 per school year plus health care they pay their OWN Pension.
Teachers in WI didn't get a raise in pay for over 14 years under Gov. Thompson
so like how do you come up w/$80,000 grand in wages and bennies.
The top 10% of Americans now earn around 50% of our national income. 83 percent of all U.S. stocks are in the hands of 1 percent of the people.The bottom 80 percent of American households hold only about 7% of the liquid financial assets.21 percent of all children in the United States are living below the poverty line. The top 1% own 95% of all money in the US. And YOU conservatives want to give them a tax break because it is the average persons' fault our country's finances have sunk? Wow.
Fact; the top 5 American corporations made $464 Billion in profits in just one quarter (3 months) and not only paid ZERO taxes, but each company received 35 Million dollars of our tax money? In the 50's, our economy was the strongest it had/has ever been. Unions were also at their peek because it allowed for a Middle Class which could afford to stimulate the economy by buying so much. As Unions declined, so did our economy exactly equally. Now the bottom 50% have less than 1% of the money.
@Pondo1221 In fact, I have always said that some Unions do go too far. I’ve always felt that way. I think that many of them have lost the original points upon which they were created. Asking for $50 an hour for cleaning up scattered debris is beyond ridiculous. However, no conservative is trying to re-balance that. Dissolving Unions is obviously an attempt to destroy the Democratic Party base, the same as if Democrats were trying to destroy the Christian Coalition or the NRA for the Republicans.
Those stats I gave below show that if the Unions have gone too far, then corporations have gone WAAAY too far. If a Union does that,it desecrates the important issues upon which they were founded.The Unions agreed to take a dock in pay and benefits, just asking to keep Bargaining Rights- the Governor said NO.That should tell you what this is really about. Dismantling the Democratic base. The previous election scared them into realizing they were not unbeatable- so they're attacking DEMS base.
Fact; the US economy was the strongest (in all of history) during the 50’s. That is also when Unions were at their peek. As they declined, so did the economy in conjunction with it. You should see a graph- it is identical. With the depletion of the Middle Class and the Unions, purchases of new cars, houses, and general items went with it. Food comes before CD’s and movies. The rich can make as many businesses they want, but if no one can afford to buy their products, what good is it?
@Pondo1221 So understand what I am saying. Exaggerating someone else’s points in order to make it sound ridiculous is a tactless trick, and you don’t impress me as one of those types. With Unions- give credit where it’s due, and realize that if they succeed in killing them, they are also opening the door of totalitarianism to return- gravitating this magnificent country into a slow backpedal. However I’m NOT saying we will wake up the day after tomorrow and child labor has been reissued.
When TV’s were first made, they were HUGE & EXPENSIVE. Radios, cars, big-brick cell phones, computers (literally filling a large room), and virtually everything else. As demand increases, technology makes thing smaller & cheaper- no one can argue against that.This keeps prices low and if you keep jobs in the US, the economy soars. Destroying Middle Class (which I am not btw) will take away the affordability to purchase these things early so they can get to a cheaper level for everyone else.
CEO’s making 10/12 billion (or more) a piece every quarter, who then get our tax money (oil CEO’s get about 35 Million) is sickening. THEY get to spend time with their families & enjoy life to an extreme. Then whenever there is an oil issue, they take none of the bite- WE ALWAYS DO. They don't say- "let's skip our $100 Million dollar bonus' this quarter so families aren't getting the short end of the stick AGAIN"
I just want some fairness. If Unions go too far, then CEO’s go WAAAAAY too far.
@littleladyinbigworld I don't think the picture you've painted of the rich is totally inaccurate. It is easy to assume that they have all this power because they have money. The wealth of our whole nation took a hit in the past three years. The dollar has been devalued and inflation is taking hold. Some want to assume that a few ultra-rich could just fill the hole left by millions of Americans. Our system created wealth and millionaires not the other way around.
@littleladyinbigworld I much as I want good things in life, I don't hate on people with money. It doesn't sound like you are either and we need to take a step back with these debates with the unions and the private sector working class. I don't blame unions for fighting for everything they can get. We should all try to earn every cent we can but not at the expense of innocent people, business and the political process. Keep your eyes on Wis., other states will likely follow their lead. =)
@hatfisc It really is nice to speak to a rational person for a change. I understand what you're saying about scaring them off, but I don't believe stimulating a reasonable balance would be taking it too far. Scandinavia seems to have a viable system that perhaps deserves a closer look.
@hatfisc They apparently have a balance between the commoners and the wealthy- between personal lives and business. If one of the aforementioned tries to take too much (law-wise) they must give a little in another area, from what I understand. Greed shall do you no good if every time you try and overextend to get more for your category, you must agree to give something up somewhere else. Once a reasonable balance is achieved, it maintains that balance.
I'm a retired government employee, thirty plus years starting at age 17 working as a laborer for the city of Milwaukee. Even (I) say unions have gone WAAAAY over the line and cost WE the People more than we can afford. The balance of power is no longer IN balance. Scott Walker 's decision is the right one. It's not only the teachers union that are now out of order there are others which have to change.
They will tutor students who are behind and strive to get their two non-English speaking children proficient enough to pass the course. Each day they must incorporate reading, writing, math, science, and social studies into the program. They must maintain discipline and provide an educationally stimulating environment to motivate all students at all times. If all students do not wish to cooperate, work, or learn, the teacher will be held responsible. 4
They must document benchmarks, communicate with parents, and arrange parent conferences and also stand in their doorway between classes to monitor the hallways. If the copier is operable, they may make copies of necessary materials before, or after, school but they cannot surpass their monthly limit of copies. They will complete fire, tornado and [Code Red] drills each month. They must attend school-sponsored workshops, faculty meetings, IEP meetings, and curriculum development meetings. 3
Each person must complete weekly lesson plans 3 days in advance, with annotations for curriculum objectives and modify, organize, or create their materials accordingly. They're required to teach students, handle misconduct, implement technology, post each day’s standards/goals prior to the beginning of the day, document attendance, correct homework, make bulletin boards, compute and post grades online in a timely fashion, complete report cards within 2 days of the end of each grading period. 2
3 businessmen and 3 businesswomen will be dropped in elementary school classrooms for one school year. Each business person will be provided with a copy of his/her school district's curriculum, and a class of 20-25 students, which will increase over the year to 30-35.
Each class will have a minimum of five learning-disabled children, three with A.D.H.D., one gifted child, and two who speak limited English. Three students will be labeled with severe behavior problems. 1
This video IS a cartoon, depicting not the truth but instead an agenda by Walker and other republican govenors to promote corporate interests. What private sector jobs are you comparing union benefits against? Burger flippers at McDonalds? Cashiers at Macy's? Grocery store clerks? Undereducated people filling jobs that a monkey can do? Give it up, smartass. You want to compare apples to grapes and it can't be done.
@ABCLINEARXYZ You're clueless, go do your research. Their pensions come from their own pay, diverted pre-tax, just like ANY other 401k. Read up on the real info. before you agree with bullsh*t propaganda, sheep. *baaaaaaaaa*
The Internet is being used to revolutionize societies. Tell your Congressman to rewrite the “Employee Freedom of Choice Act” so it uses the Internet to allow workers to request and conduct union votes DIRECTLY with the NLRB. Truly secret votes where employers can’t identify and fire organizers. Force employers to bargain with unions 30 days after a successful vote. Bring in an arbitrator 30 days later if no contract is in place. In 2012 VOTE for Obama, House & Senate majorities and pass it!
YouTube allows an upload to be used as a video comment on just a SINGLE posting. So please search YouTube for “Introduction to Teaching 101.mpeg”. Don’t know how much of my taxes are going to study public education, but Washington could save a LOT on consultant fees by just reading the responses to my above upload from hard pressed teachers from around the country. Teachers KNOW what is wrong with American education – career and politically motivated administrators do not.
"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management.
The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations."-
How about the top 1% of the population, which possesses 95% percent of the money in this county- how about them giving a tough choice- give up some of their disgustingly HUGE bonuses instead of taking it away from the middle class AGAIN? Is that too tough of a choice for a Multi-Billionaire. They pay higher taxes & STILL CONTROL 95% of the money. You want to keep cutting their taxes & take away more from middle class? Who's going to buy all the crap they produce? Not a tough choice to me.
How about you worry only about spending your own money and not worry about spending other people's money.
Given less to teachers union doesn't mean your taking away from them. Thats dumb. Teachers can pay for their own dame healthcare just like the rest of us non government workers.
@Budguy68 I'm also a non-government worker. I agree; all people have extremist within who want to push something as far as they can & take more than they should. What I don't see enough, are the sacrifices of the million/billionaires. 83% of all U.S. stocks are in the hands of the top 1%.The bottom 50 percent of income earners in the United States now collectively own less than 1% of the nation’s wealth. So give the 1% a tax break? We keep sinking, while they use our heads to stay above water.
@Budguy68 There are about 200 socialist countries that contradict that. It does work. Virtually all systems have a mixture of other systems within them. It is usually when a system goes to far in a single direction that it (inevitably) hits critical mass. Scandinavian countries seem to have a good mix between Capitalism and Socialism. I am simply saying that with odds like I have previously mentioned, things have obviously gone too far here. There is a reasonable balance that may be achieved.
Wealth redistribution doesn't work. Puinshing people for being successful and rewarding them for failing does not work. I know plenty of so called families who live on government hand outs.
And the reason some of this people are rich is because we abandon the Gold Standard.
@Budguy68 And I am not aiming this towards you- not by a long shot. In fact, since you are not ranting and raving, you don't impress me as the type to do this; but it sickens me how many people (no matter what side of an issue you are on) have begun to "spam" anything they don't like or can not answer. That's not what blogging is about. Typical censorship for the weak minded. Hearing one side of an argument shall never settle it. This should anger everyone, since anyone could be next.
OK Little I am Ok with u agreeing with & supporting the teachers union. I think you should have the freedom to support them though paying taxes with pay for their salaries & benefits.I would nvr advocate violence & vote for a law which prevents u to do otherwise.
Now Little would u give me the same respect and the same courtesy I just gave you? Would you be give me the right not to have ANYTHING to do with the teachers union which includes my right not to pay for their salaries & benefits?
@Budguy68 ABSOLUTELY. I have always felt that way. If you do not want the benefits of being in a union (I'm not sure I understand why, but that is not really my business) then you have that right. But, others also have the right to stand together in a peaceful group to demand rights. Standing together is just as fundamental as the right to stand alone.
So you would give people like me the right not to pay for Teachers Wages or for their benefits in the form of Taxes? I dont think you understood the question.
@Budguy68 Ok, I thought you meant the right to NOT take the opportunity to join a union. If you have that right, then everyone would also have the right to not pay taxes towards ANYTHING they CLAIMED they didn't like.Even if I wanted my water supply cleaned up with tax money, I could claim that I didn't support it and therefore not pay it- soon most would do that just to save a buck. So that's kind of a loaded question. Bush put my taxes to a war I STRONGLY disagreed with- that's what happens.
The problem wit ur Ideas (IE Universal health care) is that its enforce though the threat of violence & coercion. dats WHAT U LIBERALS ALWays FAILED TO REALIZE. Thats why U liberals are Enemies of freedom!
If ur stupid dame ideas are so good why do you need to enforce them though violence? u must think Humans are 2 stupid & too evil to hav 2 much freedom.
And Yes I can buy Clean water even if there was no laws that require you to sell clean water.
The government is able to go overseas and kill 1 million people because idiots like you support the government by agreeing it to give it more power and authority and by agreeing to pay taxes/pay higher taxes.
Doesnt matter if they are republicans or democrats. Idiots like you have the memory of a gold fish to realize both parties suck.
But ofcourse youre going to say that people like me are the evil ones because I believe in too much freedom.
@Budguy68 You are wrong about what I'm going to say. Be as nasty as you want; we believe taxes are not supposed to fund wars for every little disagreement we have with a nation, badguy. It should only fund wars like WW I and II. That's why we don't vote FOR wars very often. They are a LAST resort, not a way to make money. And what violence is it you are referring to? I’ve been watching things closely, although I missed the news today. Was there some revolutionary shootouts with the protesters?
@Budguy68 And where are you going to get clean water if it is coated with mercury? If you want examples, I'll give you many where big companies have dumped toxins into water supplies because it's cheaper. Higher taxes should not go to increase horrors- they should go to better the lives of people through education, art and health. They should go to the positive. Look at records and you'll find that Liberals do not generally vote for wars- especially ridiculous ones, even if Democrats do.
@Budguy68If you want to live like Grizzly Adams and not pay taxes- fine with me, just as long as you don't ask for taxes to cover your healthcare, help make your job non-hazardous, use city electricity/water, and the roads in which they keep up. You have every right to live that way- tax free. You can either live like a lion; out on the open plains (so-to-speak) taking care of yourself or you can live like bees or ants, within a working colony, taking care of each other when the chips are down.
@Budguy68 I don’t look down on you for choosing not to be a part of that group. Your choice. But it doesn’t make me stupid for choosing to live as a tax-pooled functioning unit instead.Don’t pay your taxes & don’t reap the rewards or suffer the problems from it. For me, it seems obvious that it’s easier to control someone who is afraid of being voted out than a corporate multi-billionaire that you will never know of, much less have a chance at controlling. My choice. Everyone's different, Badguy
@Budguy68 And why would I call you "evil"? Perhaps you bottle me up with others you have argued with. I am not a big fan of either party as well,or the system used, & would like to see other groupS get in- not just my own. We need that to keep from tipping too far. We keep butting heads ONLY because we have two extremes running the show. We need several parties to keep things running smoothly in a nation like this. People say they want balance, but who do they vote for in the primaries?Extremes.
Freedom comes in different forms for different views and is a relative word. Like beauty, it is in the eye of the beholder. Do you want the freedom to be completely on your own? No parents (government) watching your back and punishing you- low/no taxes? Okay, that’s a freedom.
Do you want freedom from the type of labor before the Unions- like children being forced to slave away in sweatshops for 14 hrs a day? I am against that freedom. Children should be educated, not used as a commodity.
@Budguy68 They called child labor “freedom” back in the pre-FDR days. Liberal comes from the Latin word for "FREE". Freedom from being enslaved by the few- that’s the point. We LOVE FREEDOM! To control our social destiny through our own collective pool of money, not by the top 1%. One might argue that someone has the freedom to act (as the rightwing Nazi Republic), to exterminate minorities and/or invade countries- then no, I draw the line at that freedom.
@frio109 Because a child needs education, as I've explained. I'm not talking about lemonade stands, I'm talking about 12-14 hrs a day workweeks, like it used be before FDR stopped it. A child needs to grow up with the best possible education- not making shoes on an assembly line for a billionaire. A child does know whether he/she wants to work anymore then if he/she wants to have sex. There are some things they are not ready for. A generation of uneducated workers is frightening.
@littleladyinbigworld I say let the child work if the child wants to work. We no longer have child slavery in in China. So if a child wishes to work, then let them.
@frio109 "We no longer have child slavery in in China."
What does that have to do with anything? So we should have children as a commodity in the U.S.?
Forget having an educated future- put that little girl to work. She may not become a doctor now- he may not be a lawyer, or judge- they may not live up to their potential after growing into adulthood, but hey, at least we made some cheap shoes for a few years.
What?!
Way to improve each generation. Have child workers- a natural resource.
@frio109 You want to bring back forced labor to children because you like cheap shoes? We'll never have a strong economy if our children don't learn trades that matter. A future doctor making shoes instead of being educated is stupid beyond words. More importantly, children should be learning, playing, growing and enjoying childhood- NOT MAKING CHEAPER SHOES FOR YOUR BENEFIT!! What OUTRAGEOUS arrogance! Children are no more ready for slaving at manual labor jobs then they are ready for marriage!
@littleladyinbigworld Nah I don't like cheap shoes. I say let children work if they want to. I started at 11 by helping my dad bail hay, driving a tractor and a pickup. I now go to school and work. Give people the freedom to do what they want.
@frio109 We are not talking about kids helping out with chores. You should do some research if you would like to know more about the way they were treated pre-union. Is was common for 5,6 and 7 year olds to work in VERY DANGEROUS conditions for 12,14 or 16 hours a day. Nearly no food or sleep. That is NO exaggeration. Coal mines, factories with deadly high concentrates of mercury, molten iron and the like. They worked until death, they ran away, or became legal age. Then they worked some more.
@frio109 Even the with first laws, (at first) the most the Unions could get out of the government was to stop children under 15 from working more then 10 hours a day. Even once it became law, it was seldom enforced. Over time, the Unions got more and more accomplished. Baling hay with your father is one thing, but if it weren't for the "cat balls" sucking Unions, you would more likely have been slaving in dangerous conditions (death amongst working children was VERY common) and if you lived...
…and got chemical poisoning (brain damage), you would have not been going to school afterwards. If you want to give people freedom, hopefully you're including children as people, then let them chose education over what is essentially government sponsored torture for profit. None of them wanted to lose limbs or go blind from mercury or miss or die over experiencing their childhood so production in the US could increase by a fraction of a percent.
@littleladyinbigworld You are insane. If you want to give people freedom, then let them choose what they want to do. Do not force them, that is slavery. People can work and go to school. I do.
@frio109 I am not insane because your viewpoint is different from mine. The point you didn't grasp was that if it wasn't for the Unions, you probably would never had lived long enough to be able to go to school. Unions paved the way so average children could go to school instead of just the wealthy. I'll tell you what I told Pondo here: Google: child labor unions, and go to the 1st site; continuetolearn.uiowa.edu/laborctr/child_labor/about/us_history. Unless you are afraid you might be wrong.
That is probably the dumbest argument I've heard yet, and there have been a lot of asinine liberals running off at the mouth lately.
So if we stop the unions from extorting tax $, then kids will die?
I mean seriously - the teachers crying "it's for the children" while illegally striking instead of teaching those same children is bad enough, but "let the unions steal or the children will die" is pretty ridiculous
PS-Unions have grown corrupt and deserve NO respect anymore
@Pondo1221 You've missed the point completely and choose to argue by making it sound like I am exaggerating. That's nothing new to conservatives. I'll try again; Those things I mentioned IS the way it was before Unions put a stop to it. These are facts in which you should research. Children were commodities used for what was essentially slave labor.
You are entirely missing the point and your argument is ridiculous.
If we stop the abuses of collective bargaining, then children will be killed and everyone else will be enslaved?
Do you think that since the unions WERE good, that they can do no bad today? Is that it? Or is it that you can't differentiate between the public unions that own the people they bargain with and the private unions that HAVE TO compromise or their company folds and their jobs go away?
What I was saying about children was aimed at those who imply unions have never had importance,so PLEASE stop putting words in my mouth.I never said it'd instantly go back to the way it was.Corporations had forced women to get hysterectomies or be fired.People would have to work 16 hrs a day 7 days a week for next to nothing or be fired.Unless one hates Middle Class and overall justice,the Unions accomplishments should be respected.That’s what I was saying about the once US child-slavery, OK?
@Pondo1221 Early corporations also would use tokens to pay people- NO MONEY WAS USED. The tokens could only be redeemed at the corporations’ food/goods stores. So basically you worked only for food, clothes and tools, which the corporation would make profit. The conditions were often deadly, and just because children were being used made no difference to them. Google: child labor unions, and go to the 1st site; continuetolearn.uiowa.edu/laborctr/child_labor/about/us_history.
@littleladyinbigworld Child labor laws had nothing to do with Unions. Try reading some history. The National Child Labor Committee, an organization dedicated to the abolition of all child labor, was formed in 1904. By publishing information on the lives and working conditions of young workers, it helped to mobilize popular support for state-level child labor laws. These laws were often paired with compulsory education laws which were designed to keep children in school.
@Phaseline1983 Unions have made it a priority to end child labor/slavery. I have read "some history". In 1832, New England, Unions condemned child labor.
@littleladyinbigworld What about Barbershop Quartets? Once relavent and could be found nationwide in the 1940's. With new technology like tape recorders, ipods, computers, rock concerts, the barbershop quartet just doesn't seem to have it's place in today's technologically evolved society. Now with OSHA, common sense and building- fire codes, unions have become just as obsolete as yesterdays barber shop quartet. I don't see anyone protesting for those guys singing in the funny hats.
@hatfisc That's rather a silly and inaccurate comparison. Barbershop Quartets went obsolete because peoples musical tastes changed. That's not even similar.
Unions can sometimes go too far, but bargaining rights is reasonable. If you take away reasonable Unions, you take away even more power from THE PEOPLE and had it over to the overly-wealthy.
How much is enough. The bottom 50 percent of income earners in the United States now collectively own LESS than 1 percent of the nation’s wealth.
@littleladyinbigworld The top 50% pay 96% of all taxes while the bottom 50 pay the rest. The top 1% pay 39% of the tax burden. So what's your point? What are you suggesting? Face it. If there's a class war here, it's sure as hell isn't being waged by "the rich." Think about it. Union members aren't only going after the rich but others in the working class who put up more on their own benefits. I don't think you fully understand the lopsided wages and benefits with NOTHING being produced.
@hatfisc One more question. Why would the bottom 50%, who pay 4% of all taxes, have any stake in the tax break debate? Why is the bottom half bitching about tax breaks going back to people who actually pay taxes? You're young and don't quite understand. You've been led to believe that the rich are evil people and you somehow should have a stake in their fortunes. The Unions look so unbelievebly childish that they had to create the David Koch strawman.
@hatfisc I agree about there being a class war, but it was waged by the Ultra-Rich. Our economy was the strongest it had ever been back in the 50’s. Coincidently, that is when the American Unions were the strongest. As the Unions were attacked through loopholes, the economy went down hill with it. If people earn Middle Class money, they spend Middle Class money. THEY buy new cars and THEY increase the housing market. So there is a valid reason why our economy fluctuates with Middle Class.
@hatfisc Our Economy was OK in the 70’s. In the 80’s, Reagan attacked the Unions again- stripping and dissolving their power & our economy sank with them. Ultra-rich pay more taxes because they should. If a heavy object is being lifted, the strongest should lift the heaviest end- not given the lighter side. Some CEO's make over $5,000 an hour 24/7; I think they can afford to fork out some extra bucks. And that's not counting Multi-million $ bonus'. Add that up per week.
@hatfisc They still lived their outlandish and luxurious lifestyles in the 50’s, even while paying more taxes then than they do now.You seem like a nice person and I’m always grateful to speak with someone who isn’t screaming obscenities at me instead of debating, and for that I thank you. But People often guess me as being very young, or more commonly, Baby Boomer generation- when actually I am more in the middle. So I am neither a bias Hippie, nor am I too young to realize what’s going on.
@hatfisc The Ultra Rich aren't evil per say. Some are even generous; but that is because they can afford to be. I’ve had to cut off all charities in which I used to send donations because I must survive first, & I am not alone. I'm NO wild spender either. I own a used car, no Cell phone or credit cards. I’m sick of hearing how lazy people are from the far right, when all around me I see people working 50-60 hour weeks & still not being able to enjoy their lives & spend time w/ their families.
@littleladyinbigworld I'm sure we could clothe and feed tens of thousands of people if we took wealth away from someone but that is counterproductive to our economy. If we make the rich feel like they're under attack, they could take their wealth and families somewhere else. It would be catastrophic to our system if we scared all the wealth away. That top 1% that pays all those taxes? What if they all left after being labeled the villian here? That would literally collapse our economy.
@hatfisc Besides, whenever taxes are too low for the Ultra Rich, then they don't need to invest it back into the economy- they just live off the interests. Do you have any idea what the interest is on $20 Billion? Or just 1 Billion?
Our forefathers didn't want to replace a king with a handful of people who make more than most countries.
@Budguy68 How often do you see Liberal countries invading and exterminating? Sweden? Switzerland? Scandinavian counties, Denmark, Holland, Norway, Czech, Finland? These are the most Liberal countries in the world. Look up what countries get the World Peace Awards- they are ALL Liberal countries. There is a difference between the US Democratic Party and Liberalism. A BIG difference.
That makes it the same old trick they always pull; it’s equivalent to taking all of the food from a family’s house, and then saying, “Fine, if you’re going to whine this much, here- you can have a package of hotdogs back so it doesn’t feel like a total loss to you.” Well I say, FORGET IT! Keep stirring us up, right-wingers. We may not be natural war mongers like you, but our spirit is ten times stronger!!!
Now they're going to throw a little scrap to the protesters and allow them to negotiate their wages ONLY. Wow, thanks. Stand still for 1 second and they push you bad 3 steps. Union members are supposed to be so relieved that they're getting SOMETHING, they're expected to just take what they can get and deal with it. WELL I SAY NO LONGER!!! This is another right wing organized attack against the middle class- AGAIN! They started the fire- let them get burned for a change! WE THE PEOPLE!!!
Complete lies. The Unions have agreed to all of the financial concessions in the bill. This has nothing to do with money. It's about busting the union. Very obvious after todays prank call. Take collective barganing off the table Gov. Walker and the bill will pass and it will be over.
The real problem is that the governor gave his friends that voted him in a $137 million dollar tax break and now he needs to make $140 million spending cuts..... It's also telling that the firefighter and police unions (whom where exempted from the anti-union actions) are protesting along side the other unions.
Riots? The rest is just as untrue.
jknell87 5 months ago
I do more work by 10 am than youi do in a week .
bobrat 6 months ago
@19d4life Why do conservatives constantly insist on killing US jobs.
soulhunter59 6 months ago
@ todd ALLrich, what did mean old Prez Obama take away your fear factor Bin Ladden, yes it's ok to come out from under your crib now.
I am a Union Thug, building trades, remember
and my pink panties are UNION MADE.
bobrat 9 months ago
@bobrat Then I would suggest you get some REAL panties because your union work SUCKS.
All Obama did was say a TIMID OK when presented with the opportunity to get Bin Laden by those systems and methods that BUSH set up.
A MORON could have said yes to that. In fact, a moron DID - and he almost screwed THAT easy call up.
ToddAldrich 6 months ago
check history, unions don't exist because companies are benevolent, but because of the blindly power hungry and greedy owner(s). Someone who think union members are whining primadonas are basicly dictators striving for more power and likly studying how to convince others that no means yes.
pocyclips 9 months ago
Public union teachers are pathetic takers within our society.
AVERAGE WAGE PLUS BENEFITS for WI EDUCATORS (This is for 9 months of work) includes retirement benefits, health and life insurance, sick day pay accrual, vacation days, personal holidays.)
UNIVERSITY of WISCONSINSTAFF(2009 salary alone):
Prof of Business - $327,828
Chancellor- $437,000
Prof. of Nutritional Science - $254,877
(Source:Madison.com. The UW removed salaries from being posted online in 2007.)
gbpackers05 10 months ago
@gbpackers05 Why are you talking about colleges? For the most part colleges are private and the only reason for a professor to get paid that much is when they are doing something else in the college. Prof of business takes care of accounting. Prof of Nutritional science is probable the head of the research department. You must remember that a college is a business.
soulhunter59 6 months ago
Public union teachers are pathetic takers within our society.
AVERAGE WAGE PLUS BENEFITS for WI EDUCATORS (This is for 9 months of work) includes retirement benefits, health and life insurance, sick day pay accrual, vacation days, personal holidays.) ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF:
Arrowhead - Bus Manager - $169,525
Arrowhead - Principal - $152,519
Grmtwn - Asst Principal - $123,222
Elmbrk - Burliegh Elemetary - $142,315
Madison - Asst Principal - $127,835
gbpackers05 10 months ago
gbpackers05 10 months ago
The Republican brand was trashed by George W. Bush. They tried to rebrand themselves as the Tea Party. They say they are not Republican or Democrats. They lie. These TeaBaggers are financed by Republican Dick Army. I hear they don't like to be called TeaBaggers so we should now refer to then as the Dick Army or the Army of Dicks. The Koch brothers are spending money to buy politicians to do their bidding. These politicians are prostitutes. What do you call a TeaBagger not getting paid? Whores
STUBBORNOTTER 10 months ago
@STUBBORNOTTER ILMAO!
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
@STUBBORNOTTER calling teabaggers Whores is an insult to WHORES.
the Koch bros paid for the busses, joe the plumber fake, all of the Tea Baggers and for all of their hotel stays when they took their 2 bus loads of "in support of Scott Wanker protesters" around the state of WI.
If they ain'y lying they're bull shitting, we don't call it spin up here in WI.
bobrat 10 months ago
@bobrat Here's to you People of WI. The Nation stands behind you.
STUBBORNOTTER 10 months ago
@bobrat BWHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ! Oh it is the SCAAAAARY KOCH brothers!! You DO KNOW that this is just something your controlling masters use to make you wet your little pink panties don't you? They controll you with such baloney and you fall for it every time!
ToddAldrich 9 months ago
You have no clue and probably lead a very shallow life.
LuvBucky 10 months ago
All Lies, a WI. Dept of Transportation electrician, pays 100% of their health care $1900.00 per month and they already contribute 5.8 % of their After TAX wage to their PENSIONS all of it it payed for by them selves.
Teachers start at 36,000 per school year plus health care they pay their OWN Pension.
Teachers in WI didn't get a raise in pay for over 14 years under Gov. Thompson
so like how do you come up w / $80,000 in wages and bennies.
and lastly there were over 140,000 PROTESTERS
bobrat 10 months ago
@bobrat They're good at lies, huh? A couple of days ago, republican Senator Jon Kyl said (on the senate floor) that Planned Parenthood uses 90% of its funding to provide abortions, when it is actually 3%. A slight difference there. When confronted about it, he said nothing, but sent his cronies to make the statement that "It wasn't meant to be taken as fact". What??? That's how they work. Then Fox broadcasts only the lie. Since Foxers don't get news from any other source, they just buy it all.
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
@bobrat You should also Google: "Youtube Bill O'Reilly Tries To Explain His Lies". Wow.
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
@littleladyinbigworld YOU should look at the timing of the clips that they quoted the Fox people from. Those ALL occurred when the bill DID INDEED call for prison sentences if you refused to pay the fines for not buying health insurance. FOX was telling the truth.
Democrats REMOVED that provision BECAUSE of the ACTUAL reporting that Fox News did on the issue.
You REALLY should not get ANY information from MSNBC or Media matters, because it is THEY who are the liars.
ToddAldrich 9 months ago
@ToddAldrich Ha Ha!!! I have a long list of fox news lies and it's a fun drinking game every time they continuously mention them. I think you need to do some real research bud and don't just listen to the fox news propaganda.
soulhunter59 6 months ago
@soulhunter59 Sorry, I don't get my news from Fox. That is just a lie your masters program you with.
And if you get your information either directly or indirectly from Media Matters, I can pretty much guarantee you that the majority of them are GROSS misrepresentations or flat out lies.
ToddAldrich 6 months ago
@ToddAldrich No it's the way you speak that tells me you worship the all knowing fox news and Glenn Beck. I don't have a master but the way you speak you absolutely do. I don't know what to tell you man. I get my information from years of research and a love for politics and history.
soulhunter59 6 months ago
@soulhunter59 Well then let's put your "research" to the test.
Did the Bush tax cuts lead to greater revenues or less revenues?
ToddAldrich 6 months ago
@ToddAldrich All tax cuts and low taxes equals lower revenues no exceptions. Now you can tell me I'm wrong all you want but no I'm correct and your fooling yourself if you think it helps revenues. Higher taxes is higher revenues. I could not tell you why but that's how it is.
soulhunter59 6 months ago
@soulhunter59 I thought you were so well researched??? You are ABSOLUTELY wrong, and I can explain WHY you are wrong. This is what I do for a living. When you decrease taxes, you increase the incentive for businesses to risk their money. This risk takes the form of investments in new technologies, new facilities or entirely new products - such as clean energy or perhaps a cure for aids. These investments create jobs both in research and in production. More tax payers = more money (cont)
ToddAldrich 6 months ago
@soulhunter59 Collecting 10% from 1000 people making $40K is FAR better (revenue wise for the government) than collecting 20% from 200 people making the same amount.
More taxpayers = more money for the government.
You are an absolute brainwashed FOOL if you say it does not happen. IT DOES happen and it DID with Bush's tax cuts.
Now, does it ALWAYS lead to higher revenues for the government, ABSOLUTELY NOT - but it can, and it did in the case I mentioned. ESPECIALLY the cuts on the "rich".
ToddAldrich 6 months ago
@soulhunter59 This is shown by BARACK OBAMA'S OWN 2010 Economic Report of the President. Table B-78
Revenues fell from 2000 to 2003 - BEFORE any significant portion of the Bush tax cuts were in phased in. ONLY after they were phased in did revenues begin to grow.
So let's review. Before the tax cuts - government receipts were FALLING - AFTER the tax cuts, the economy turned around, more people had jobs and as a result, the government had more tax receipts.
ToddAldrich 6 months ago
@soulhunter59
As a matter of fact - ALL of the top 5 years for government revenues in the ENTIRE HISTORY OF OUR NATION came AFTER Bush's tax cuts. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
ToddAldrich 6 months ago
@soulhunter59 Sorry. I forgot the link.
whitehouseDOTgov/administration/eop/cea/economic-report-of-the-President/2010
(replace the DOT with a .)
You will find the tables in appendix B the specific table that shows government receipts is table B-78
Employment can be found on table B-36
ToddAldrich 6 months ago
@ToddAldrich Again you are kidding yourself. Your analysis does not make it down to the consumer and the fact that the US government has a high research budget. Fact of the matter is that the reason why medications and cures are so expensive is that the researchers want to make their money they spent. Truth is good investors and business men never think long term. They think about how much they can make right now.Now tell me why I should invest my $250,000,000 when it could be safe in a bank?
soulhunter59 6 months ago
@soulhunter59 BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAH!!
GOOD Business men pay me extremely well to advise them on economic matters and I ALWAYS advise them to think long term. YOU don't have a fucking CLUE as to what you are talking about.
You would invest your money IF you have reasonable opportunity to get a higher rate of return than you would at the bank.
And having that money in the bank IS NOT safe. You are a fricking moron if you think so.
ToddAldrich 6 months ago
@soulhunter59 In addition, what you just said runs absolutely 100% in opposition to the actual history of what happened.
Do facts matter to you ? - Or do you simply spout what your masters have programed you to say? A simple look at the historical FACTS show your talking points to be WORSE than imbecilic.
ToddAldrich 6 months ago
@soulhunter59 The US government gets it's high research budget by TAKING it from more efficient research budgets.
ToddAldrich 6 months ago
@soulhunter59 In ADDITION - what the hell do you think the BANKS do with the money you moron??? THEY invest it ALSO. You are so incredibly uninformed on SO MANY of the aspects of this issue that it is LAUGHABLE.
ToddAldrich 6 months ago
@ToddAldrich Dude your historically stunted and I think you are a big waist of money or your a con artiest. Your also politically stunted and your ideals don't reach the consumer. You must always think of your consumer first which is good and honest business. If people don't have money then all your advice is worthless. You can cut taxes to the rich all you want all it does is hurt the middle and lower class. Which you have no interest in.
soulhunter59 6 months ago
@soulhunter59 Well, MY client is not one of the big three that needed bailouts. MY client listened to me and avoided bankruptcy AND did not need to take government tax money.
Tax cuts reach the consumer by GIVING THEM JOBS you moron.
Tax cuts "for the rich" don't help the rich NEARLY as much as they help the poor. The rich don't really care - but the poor need jobs.
And you STILL are ignoring the historical fact that Bush's tax cuts reversed the downward spiraling govt. revenues.
ToddAldrich 6 months ago
@ToddAldrich Yeah that's why there was massive lay offs all through Bush's administration even after the Bush tax cuts. If the Bush tax cuts helped the DOW would not have dropped 500 points a day. Truth is that no matter how much you cut taxes those jobs wont come back. Remember it took the massive spending of a world war to bring us out of a depression.
soulhunter59 6 months ago
@soulhunter59 We created OVER 9.5 MILLION jobs between the implementation of the tax cuts and the time that the Democrats took over after the 2006 midterm elections.ONLY after the Dems took control did we start to lose jobs.The massive spending did no such thing - in fact the spending PROLONGED what WOULD have been a fairly short recession. In Dec. after the 1929 crash unemployment peaked at 9% - by June of 1930, it had fallen to 6.3% - the recession was essentially over - UNTIL govt. "helped".
ToddAldrich 6 months ago
@ToddAldrich Ok this is when conservatives start to change history. When the stock market crashed people who invested on margin lost everything and had to default on their loans. This was also the time of Hoovvervilles which were shanty towns. He kept promising that the depression would solve itself all the way into the election. The depression is the reason why he lost. In fact there was no double dip until FDR cut spending.
soulhunter59 6 months ago
@soulhunter59 There is NO changing of history you can look up my facts. The unemployment rate had dropped - and Hoover did NOT do nothing. Ever hear of Smoot Hawley? Go look it up. Ever hear of the Reconstruction Finance corporation? Go look it up. FDR's "new deal" was not much more than warmed over Hoover programs - and they admitted it (of course well after the fact). Ever hear of the Revenue Act of 1932? Go look it up. You have been sold a FALSE history.
ToddAldrich 6 months ago
@soulhunter59 Hoovervilles were a fact, but they were NOT caused by Hoover doing nothing. They were caused by Hoover interfering. Hell, FDR campaigned against Hoover by calling him a socialist! THere were MULTIPLE dips during this time and the one following June of 1930 was one of them - and there were NO spending cuts that preceded the majority of them. When the Supreme court threw out many of the New deals programs - things began to improve --- until the Wagner act. (to be continued)
ToddAldrich 6 months ago
@ToddAldrich Oh and I blame Coolidge for the great depression when he started taking away labor laws. Be happy that the democrats finally did away with unsanitary dung bell apartments of that time period as well.
soulhunter59 6 months ago
@soulhunter59 The Dow dropping was due to the banking crisis - AS WAS the recession. And the cause of THAT was liberal policies of interfering in the free market, both in the real estate industry and in the oil industry. Contrary to the misinformation your masters program you with, Bush increased regulations AND interference in the free market. About the only thing he did right economically WAS the tax cuts. Everything else was not so good.
ToddAldrich 6 months ago
@ToddAldrich Oh and by the way the US is way behind in the discovery of a cure for aides. When the cure is discovered who do you think will get their hands on it first. It wont be the US. It will given to the African people who have no money at all. When you take away incentive though profit and start thinking of people who are in need people are more than willing to give to non profit organizations. Besides they need it more than we do.
soulhunter59 6 months ago
@soulhunter59 The rich are willing to give to non profits also but you go ahead and keep spreading your message of hate. People are catching on to your smear tactics and lies.
ToddAldrich 6 months ago
@ToddAldrich The rich are people too. Bill Gates gives to non profits all the time. It's also true that he has tried to keep the government from cutting their budget as well. It's also true that giving to said programs as a tax write off. You cut the taxes to the rich that lowers incentive as well. But yes the rich give too.
soulhunter59 6 months ago
All Lies, a WI. Dept of Transportation electrician, pays 100% of their health care $1900.00 per month and they already contribute 5.8 % of their After TAX wage to their PENSIONS all of it it payed for by them selves.
Teachers start at 36,000 per school year plus health care they pay their OWN Pension.
Teachers in WI didn't get a raise in pay for over 14 years under Gov. Thompson
so like how do you come up w/$80,000 grand in wages and bennies.
and lastly there were over 140,000 PROTESTERS
bobrat 10 months ago
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littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
The top 10% of Americans now earn around 50% of our national income. 83 percent of all U.S. stocks are in the hands of 1 percent of the people.The bottom 80 percent of American households hold only about 7% of the liquid financial assets.21 percent of all children in the United States are living below the poverty line. The top 1% own 95% of all money in the US. And YOU conservatives want to give them a tax break because it is the average persons' fault our country's finances have sunk? Wow.
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
Fact; the top 5 American corporations made $464 Billion in profits in just one quarter (3 months) and not only paid ZERO taxes, but each company received 35 Million dollars of our tax money? In the 50's, our economy was the strongest it had/has ever been. Unions were also at their peek because it allowed for a Middle Class which could afford to stimulate the economy by buying so much. As Unions declined, so did our economy exactly equally. Now the bottom 50% have less than 1% of the money.
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
@littleladyinbigworld
Please find me ONE example of a company that has a union that is doing better than a comparable company that does not.
I can show you many examples of companies that have gone under because of unions in industries where their non-union competitors are still flourishing
Union scale pay and BENEFITS price their products out of the global market. That is the fact you are not facing.
But this STILL misses the point that the issue is about PUBLIC unions, not private ones
Pondo1221 10 months ago
@Pondo1221 In fact, I have always said that some Unions do go too far. I’ve always felt that way. I think that many of them have lost the original points upon which they were created. Asking for $50 an hour for cleaning up scattered debris is beyond ridiculous. However, no conservative is trying to re-balance that. Dissolving Unions is obviously an attempt to destroy the Democratic Party base, the same as if Democrats were trying to destroy the Christian Coalition or the NRA for the Republicans.
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
Those stats I gave below show that if the Unions have gone too far, then corporations have gone WAAAY too far. If a Union does that,it desecrates the important issues upon which they were founded.The Unions agreed to take a dock in pay and benefits, just asking to keep Bargaining Rights- the Governor said NO.That should tell you what this is really about. Dismantling the Democratic base. The previous election scared them into realizing they were not unbeatable- so they're attacking DEMS base.
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
Fact; the US economy was the strongest (in all of history) during the 50’s. That is also when Unions were at their peek. As they declined, so did the economy in conjunction with it. You should see a graph- it is identical. With the depletion of the Middle Class and the Unions, purchases of new cars, houses, and general items went with it. Food comes before CD’s and movies. The rich can make as many businesses they want, but if no one can afford to buy their products, what good is it?
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
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littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
@Pondo1221 So understand what I am saying. Exaggerating someone else’s points in order to make it sound ridiculous is a tactless trick, and you don’t impress me as one of those types. With Unions- give credit where it’s due, and realize that if they succeed in killing them, they are also opening the door of totalitarianism to return- gravitating this magnificent country into a slow backpedal. However I’m NOT saying we will wake up the day after tomorrow and child labor has been reissued.
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
When TV’s were first made, they were HUGE & EXPENSIVE. Radios, cars, big-brick cell phones, computers (literally filling a large room), and virtually everything else. As demand increases, technology makes thing smaller & cheaper- no one can argue against that.This keeps prices low and if you keep jobs in the US, the economy soars. Destroying Middle Class (which I am not btw) will take away the affordability to purchase these things early so they can get to a cheaper level for everyone else.
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
Unions suck cat balls.
frio109 10 months ago
CEO’s making 10/12 billion (or more) a piece every quarter, who then get our tax money (oil CEO’s get about 35 Million) is sickening. THEY get to spend time with their families & enjoy life to an extreme. Then whenever there is an oil issue, they take none of the bite- WE ALWAYS DO. They don't say- "let's skip our $100 Million dollar bonus' this quarter so families aren't getting the short end of the stick AGAIN"
I just want some fairness. If Unions go too far, then CEO’s go WAAAAAY too far.
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
@littleladyinbigworld I don't think the picture you've painted of the rich is totally inaccurate. It is easy to assume that they have all this power because they have money. The wealth of our whole nation took a hit in the past three years. The dollar has been devalued and inflation is taking hold. Some want to assume that a few ultra-rich could just fill the hole left by millions of Americans. Our system created wealth and millionaires not the other way around.
hatfisc 10 months ago
@littleladyinbigworld I much as I want good things in life, I don't hate on people with money. It doesn't sound like you are either and we need to take a step back with these debates with the unions and the private sector working class. I don't blame unions for fighting for everything they can get. We should all try to earn every cent we can but not at the expense of innocent people, business and the political process. Keep your eyes on Wis., other states will likely follow their lead. =)
hatfisc 10 months ago
@hatfisc It really is nice to speak to a rational person for a change. I understand what you're saying about scaring them off, but I don't believe stimulating a reasonable balance would be taking it too far. Scandinavia seems to have a viable system that perhaps deserves a closer look.
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
@hatfisc They apparently have a balance between the commoners and the wealthy- between personal lives and business. If one of the aforementioned tries to take too much (law-wise) they must give a little in another area, from what I understand. Greed shall do you no good if every time you try and overextend to get more for your category, you must agree to give something up somewhere else. Once a reasonable balance is achieved, it maintains that balance.
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
I'm a retired government employee, thirty plus years starting at age 17 working as a laborer for the city of Milwaukee. Even (I) say unions have gone WAAAAY over the line and cost WE the People more than we can afford. The balance of power is no longer IN balance. Scott Walker 's decision is the right one. It's not only the teachers union that are now out of order there are others which have to change.
ABCLINEARXYZ 11 months ago
Misleading about that Wisconsin is above the national average in both 4th grade reading scores and in ACT scores.
For ACTs check out act.org and 4th grade the kidscount datacenter
pplr1 11 months ago
Let me see.... neglected to mention state unions offered to take any pay and benefit cut Walker asked for.
It even implied otherwise by saying public workers wanted more money.
pplr1 11 months ago
This script was written by a Chinese sweat shop child labour
seaniz 11 months ago
That light colored guy did an incredibly awful job of explaining what the protests are about.
TOGoS56 11 months ago
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The business people must continually advance their education, at their expense, and on their own time.
The winner of this Season of Survivor will be allowed to return to their "private sector" job.
The losers will be tutored by the teachers they couldn't replace! 5
sep0507 11 months ago
They will tutor students who are behind and strive to get their two non-English speaking children proficient enough to pass the course. Each day they must incorporate reading, writing, math, science, and social studies into the program. They must maintain discipline and provide an educationally stimulating environment to motivate all students at all times. If all students do not wish to cooperate, work, or learn, the teacher will be held responsible. 4
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They must document benchmarks, communicate with parents, and arrange parent conferences and also stand in their doorway between classes to monitor the hallways. If the copier is operable, they may make copies of necessary materials before, or after, school but they cannot surpass their monthly limit of copies. They will complete fire, tornado and [Code Red] drills each month. They must attend school-sponsored workshops, faculty meetings, IEP meetings, and curriculum development meetings. 3
sep0507 11 months ago
Each person must complete weekly lesson plans 3 days in advance, with annotations for curriculum objectives and modify, organize, or create their materials accordingly. They're required to teach students, handle misconduct, implement technology, post each day’s standards/goals prior to the beginning of the day, document attendance, correct homework, make bulletin boards, compute and post grades online in a timely fashion, complete report cards within 2 days of the end of each grading period. 2
sep0507 11 months ago
Republican Survivor:
3 businessmen and 3 businesswomen will be dropped in elementary school classrooms for one school year. Each business person will be provided with a copy of his/her school district's curriculum, and a class of 20-25 students, which will increase over the year to 30-35.
Each class will have a minimum of five learning-disabled children, three with A.D.H.D., one gifted child, and two who speak limited English. Three students will be labeled with severe behavior problems. 1
sep0507 11 months ago
This video IS a cartoon, depicting not the truth but instead an agenda by Walker and other republican govenors to promote corporate interests. What private sector jobs are you comparing union benefits against? Burger flippers at McDonalds? Cashiers at Macy's? Grocery store clerks? Undereducated people filling jobs that a monkey can do? Give it up, smartass. You want to compare apples to grapes and it can't be done.
sep0507 11 months ago
I absolutely love how informative this is!!! :)
valsalcedo 11 months ago
@valsalcedo It is informative! It shows just how jealous you uneducated morons are.
sep0507 11 months ago
If doctors had such a record they would be sued for malpractice.
steve0281 11 months ago 2
This cartoon is RIGHT ON TARGET!
WE the PEOPLE are getting screwed.
ABCLINEARXYZ 11 months ago 2
@ABCLINEARXYZ You're clueless, go do your research. Their pensions come from their own pay, diverted pre-tax, just like ANY other 401k. Read up on the real info. before you agree with bullsh*t propaganda, sheep. *baaaaaaaaa*
84wide 11 months ago
Way off base on this
bakerj213 11 months ago
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sluff85 11 months ago
The Internet is being used to revolutionize societies. Tell your Congressman to rewrite the “Employee Freedom of Choice Act” so it uses the Internet to allow workers to request and conduct union votes DIRECTLY with the NLRB. Truly secret votes where employers can’t identify and fire organizers. Force employers to bargain with unions 30 days after a successful vote. Bring in an arbitrator 30 days later if no contract is in place. In 2012 VOTE for Obama, House & Senate majorities and pass it!
1293drive 1 year ago
@1293drive You Go, Boy!!! :)
littleladyinbigworld 1 year ago
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YouTube allows an upload to be used as a video comment on just a SINGLE posting. So please search YouTube for “Introduction to Teaching 101.mpeg”. Don’t know how much of my taxes are going to study public education, but Washington could save a LOT on consultant fees by just reading the responses to my above upload from hard pressed teachers from around the country. Teachers KNOW what is wrong with American education – career and politically motivated administrators do not.
1293drive 1 year ago
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"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management.
The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations."-
Franklin D. Roosevelt, Aug. 16, 1937
yakyakyak69 1 year ago
damn, i was waiting for them to f bomb the protesters.
rvhawkeye 1 year ago
How about the top 1% of the population, which possesses 95% percent of the money in this county- how about them giving a tough choice- give up some of their disgustingly HUGE bonuses instead of taking it away from the middle class AGAIN? Is that too tough of a choice for a Multi-Billionaire. They pay higher taxes & STILL CONTROL 95% of the money. You want to keep cutting their taxes & take away more from middle class? Who's going to buy all the crap they produce? Not a tough choice to me.
littleladyinbigworld 1 year ago
@littleladyinbigworld
How about you worry only about spending your own money and not worry about spending other people's money.
Given less to teachers union doesn't mean your taking away from them. Thats dumb. Teachers can pay for their own dame healthcare just like the rest of us non government workers.
Budguy68 1 year ago
@Budguy68 I'm also a non-government worker. I agree; all people have extremist within who want to push something as far as they can & take more than they should. What I don't see enough, are the sacrifices of the million/billionaires. 83% of all U.S. stocks are in the hands of the top 1%.The bottom 50 percent of income earners in the United States now collectively own less than 1% of the nation’s wealth. So give the 1% a tax break? We keep sinking, while they use our heads to stay above water.
littleladyinbigworld 1 year ago 2
@Budguy68 There are about 200 socialist countries that contradict that. It does work. Virtually all systems have a mixture of other systems within them. It is usually when a system goes to far in a single direction that it (inevitably) hits critical mass. Scandinavian countries seem to have a good mix between Capitalism and Socialism. I am simply saying that with odds like I have previously mentioned, things have obviously gone too far here. There is a reasonable balance that may be achieved.
littleladyinbigworld 1 year ago
@littleladyinbigworld
Wealth redistribution doesn't work. Puinshing people for being successful and rewarding them for failing does not work. I know plenty of so called families who live on government hand outs.
And the reason some of this people are rich is because we abandon the Gold Standard.
Budguy68 1 year ago
@Budguy68 And I am not aiming this towards you- not by a long shot. In fact, since you are not ranting and raving, you don't impress me as the type to do this; but it sickens me how many people (no matter what side of an issue you are on) have begun to "spam" anything they don't like or can not answer. That's not what blogging is about. Typical censorship for the weak minded. Hearing one side of an argument shall never settle it. This should anger everyone, since anyone could be next.
littleladyinbigworld 1 year ago
OK Little I am Ok with u agreeing with & supporting the teachers union. I think you should have the freedom to support them though paying taxes with pay for their salaries & benefits.I would nvr advocate violence & vote for a law which prevents u to do otherwise.
Now Little would u give me the same respect and the same courtesy I just gave you? Would you be give me the right not to have ANYTHING to do with the teachers union which includes my right not to pay for their salaries & benefits?
Budguy68 1 year ago
@Budguy68 ABSOLUTELY. I have always felt that way. If you do not want the benefits of being in a union (I'm not sure I understand why, but that is not really my business) then you have that right. But, others also have the right to stand together in a peaceful group to demand rights. Standing together is just as fundamental as the right to stand alone.
littleladyinbigworld 1 year ago
@littleladyinbigworld
So you would give people like me the right not to pay for Teachers Wages or for their benefits in the form of Taxes? I dont think you understood the question.
Budguy68 1 year ago
@Budguy68 Ok, I thought you meant the right to NOT take the opportunity to join a union. If you have that right, then everyone would also have the right to not pay taxes towards ANYTHING they CLAIMED they didn't like.Even if I wanted my water supply cleaned up with tax money, I could claim that I didn't support it and therefore not pay it- soon most would do that just to save a buck. So that's kind of a loaded question. Bush put my taxes to a war I STRONGLY disagreed with- that's what happens.
littleladyinbigworld 1 year ago
@littleladyinbigworld
Nope I made it clear.
The problem wit ur Ideas (IE Universal health care) is that its enforce though the threat of violence & coercion. dats WHAT U LIBERALS ALWays FAILED TO REALIZE. Thats why U liberals are Enemies of freedom!
If ur stupid dame ideas are so good why do you need to enforce them though violence? u must think Humans are 2 stupid & too evil to hav 2 much freedom.
And Yes I can buy Clean water even if there was no laws that require you to sell clean water.
Budguy68 1 year ago
@littleladyinbigworld
The government is able to go overseas and kill 1 million people because idiots like you support the government by agreeing it to give it more power and authority and by agreeing to pay taxes/pay higher taxes.
Doesnt matter if they are republicans or democrats. Idiots like you have the memory of a gold fish to realize both parties suck.
But ofcourse youre going to say that people like me are the evil ones because I believe in too much freedom.
Budguy68 1 year ago
@Budguy68 You are wrong about what I'm going to say. Be as nasty as you want; we believe taxes are not supposed to fund wars for every little disagreement we have with a nation, badguy. It should only fund wars like WW I and II. That's why we don't vote FOR wars very often. They are a LAST resort, not a way to make money. And what violence is it you are referring to? I’ve been watching things closely, although I missed the news today. Was there some revolutionary shootouts with the protesters?
littleladyinbigworld 1 year ago
@Budguy68 And where are you going to get clean water if it is coated with mercury? If you want examples, I'll give you many where big companies have dumped toxins into water supplies because it's cheaper. Higher taxes should not go to increase horrors- they should go to better the lives of people through education, art and health. They should go to the positive. Look at records and you'll find that Liberals do not generally vote for wars- especially ridiculous ones, even if Democrats do.
littleladyinbigworld 1 year ago
@Budguy68If you want to live like Grizzly Adams and not pay taxes- fine with me, just as long as you don't ask for taxes to cover your healthcare, help make your job non-hazardous, use city electricity/water, and the roads in which they keep up. You have every right to live that way- tax free. You can either live like a lion; out on the open plains (so-to-speak) taking care of yourself or you can live like bees or ants, within a working colony, taking care of each other when the chips are down.
littleladyinbigworld 1 year ago
@Budguy68 I don’t look down on you for choosing not to be a part of that group. Your choice. But it doesn’t make me stupid for choosing to live as a tax-pooled functioning unit instead.Don’t pay your taxes & don’t reap the rewards or suffer the problems from it. For me, it seems obvious that it’s easier to control someone who is afraid of being voted out than a corporate multi-billionaire that you will never know of, much less have a chance at controlling. My choice. Everyone's different, Badguy
littleladyinbigworld 1 year ago
@Budguy68 And why would I call you "evil"? Perhaps you bottle me up with others you have argued with. I am not a big fan of either party as well,or the system used, & would like to see other groupS get in- not just my own. We need that to keep from tipping too far. We keep butting heads ONLY because we have two extremes running the show. We need several parties to keep things running smoothly in a nation like this. People say they want balance, but who do they vote for in the primaries?Extremes.
littleladyinbigworld 1 year ago
Freedom comes in different forms for different views and is a relative word. Like beauty, it is in the eye of the beholder. Do you want the freedom to be completely on your own? No parents (government) watching your back and punishing you- low/no taxes? Okay, that’s a freedom.
Do you want freedom from the type of labor before the Unions- like children being forced to slave away in sweatshops for 14 hrs a day? I am against that freedom. Children should be educated, not used as a commodity.
littleladyinbigworld 1 year ago
@Budguy68 They called child labor “freedom” back in the pre-FDR days. Liberal comes from the Latin word for "FREE". Freedom from being enslaved by the few- that’s the point. We LOVE FREEDOM! To control our social destiny through our own collective pool of money, not by the top 1%. One might argue that someone has the freedom to act (as the rightwing Nazi Republic), to exterminate minorities and/or invade countries- then no, I draw the line at that freedom.
littleladyinbigworld 1 year ago 2
@littleladyinbigworld I don't see what is wrong with child labor if the child wants to work.
frio109 11 months ago
@frio109 Because a child needs education, as I've explained. I'm not talking about lemonade stands, I'm talking about 12-14 hrs a day workweeks, like it used be before FDR stopped it. A child needs to grow up with the best possible education- not making shoes on an assembly line for a billionaire. A child does know whether he/she wants to work anymore then if he/she wants to have sex. There are some things they are not ready for. A generation of uneducated workers is frightening.
littleladyinbigworld 11 months ago
@littleladyinbigworld I say let the child work if the child wants to work. We no longer have child slavery in in China. So if a child wishes to work, then let them.
frio109 11 months ago
@frio109 "We no longer have child slavery in in China."
What does that have to do with anything? So we should have children as a commodity in the U.S.?
Forget having an educated future- put that little girl to work. She may not become a doctor now- he may not be a lawyer, or judge- they may not live up to their potential after growing into adulthood, but hey, at least we made some cheap shoes for a few years.
What?!
Way to improve each generation. Have child workers- a natural resource.
littleladyinbigworld 11 months ago
@littleladyinbigworld I like cheap shoes. Let the children work.
frio109 11 months ago
@littleladyinbigworld Exactly. Send them to work with a sack lunch.
frio109 11 months ago
@frio109 You want to bring back forced labor to children because you like cheap shoes? We'll never have a strong economy if our children don't learn trades that matter. A future doctor making shoes instead of being educated is stupid beyond words. More importantly, children should be learning, playing, growing and enjoying childhood- NOT MAKING CHEAPER SHOES FOR YOUR BENEFIT!! What OUTRAGEOUS arrogance! Children are no more ready for slaving at manual labor jobs then they are ready for marriage!
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
@littleladyinbigworld Nah I don't like cheap shoes. I say let children work if they want to. I started at 11 by helping my dad bail hay, driving a tractor and a pickup. I now go to school and work. Give people the freedom to do what they want.
frio109 10 months ago
@frio109 We are not talking about kids helping out with chores. You should do some research if you would like to know more about the way they were treated pre-union. Is was common for 5,6 and 7 year olds to work in VERY DANGEROUS conditions for 12,14 or 16 hours a day. Nearly no food or sleep. That is NO exaggeration. Coal mines, factories with deadly high concentrates of mercury, molten iron and the like. They worked until death, they ran away, or became legal age. Then they worked some more.
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
@frio109 Even the with first laws, (at first) the most the Unions could get out of the government was to stop children under 15 from working more then 10 hours a day. Even once it became law, it was seldom enforced. Over time, the Unions got more and more accomplished. Baling hay with your father is one thing, but if it weren't for the "cat balls" sucking Unions, you would more likely have been slaving in dangerous conditions (death amongst working children was VERY common) and if you lived...
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
@frio109
…and got chemical poisoning (brain damage), you would have not been going to school afterwards. If you want to give people freedom, hopefully you're including children as people, then let them chose education over what is essentially government sponsored torture for profit. None of them wanted to lose limbs or go blind from mercury or miss or die over experiencing their childhood so production in the US could increase by a fraction of a percent.
Unions deserve respect.
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
@littleladyinbigworld You are insane. If you want to give people freedom, then let them choose what they want to do. Do not force them, that is slavery. People can work and go to school. I do.
frio109 10 months ago
@frio109 I am not insane because your viewpoint is different from mine. The point you didn't grasp was that if it wasn't for the Unions, you probably would never had lived long enough to be able to go to school. Unions paved the way so average children could go to school instead of just the wealthy. I'll tell you what I told Pondo here: Google: child labor unions, and go to the 1st site; continuetolearn.uiowa.edu/laborctr/child_labor/about/us_history. Unless you are afraid you might be wrong.
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
@littleladyinbigworld
That is probably the dumbest argument I've heard yet, and there have been a lot of asinine liberals running off at the mouth lately.
So if we stop the unions from extorting tax $, then kids will die?
I mean seriously - the teachers crying "it's for the children" while illegally striking instead of teaching those same children is bad enough, but "let the unions steal or the children will die" is pretty ridiculous
PS-Unions have grown corrupt and deserve NO respect anymore
Pondo1221 10 months ago
@Pondo1221 You've missed the point completely and choose to argue by making it sound like I am exaggerating. That's nothing new to conservatives. I'll try again; Those things I mentioned IS the way it was before Unions put a stop to it. These are facts in which you should research. Children were commodities used for what was essentially slave labor.
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
@littleladyinbigworld
You are entirely missing the point and your argument is ridiculous.
If we stop the abuses of collective bargaining, then children will be killed and everyone else will be enslaved?
Do you think that since the unions WERE good, that they can do no bad today? Is that it? Or is it that you can't differentiate between the public unions that own the people they bargain with and the private unions that HAVE TO compromise or their company folds and their jobs go away?
Pondo1221 10 months ago
What I was saying about children was aimed at those who imply unions have never had importance,so PLEASE stop putting words in my mouth.I never said it'd instantly go back to the way it was.Corporations had forced women to get hysterectomies or be fired.People would have to work 16 hrs a day 7 days a week for next to nothing or be fired.Unless one hates Middle Class and overall justice,the Unions accomplishments should be respected.That’s what I was saying about the once US child-slavery, OK?
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
@Pondo1221 Early corporations also would use tokens to pay people- NO MONEY WAS USED. The tokens could only be redeemed at the corporations’ food/goods stores. So basically you worked only for food, clothes and tools, which the corporation would make profit. The conditions were often deadly, and just because children were being used made no difference to them. Google: child labor unions, and go to the 1st site; continuetolearn.uiowa.edu/laborctr/child_labor/about/us_history.
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
@littleladyinbigworld Child labor laws had nothing to do with Unions. Try reading some history. The National Child Labor Committee, an organization dedicated to the abolition of all child labor, was formed in 1904. By publishing information on the lives and working conditions of young workers, it helped to mobilize popular support for state-level child labor laws. These laws were often paired with compulsory education laws which were designed to keep children in school.
Phaseline1983 11 months ago
@Phaseline1983 Unions have made it a priority to end child labor/slavery. I have read "some history". In 1832, New England, Unions condemned child labor.
1832 came before 1904.
It shall be the end of humanity that we forget.
littleladyinbigworld 11 months ago 2
@Phaseline1983 Perhaps YOU should read some history. In 1836 the first state child labor law began, thanks 100% to Unions.
littleladyinbigworld 11 months ago 2
@littleladyinbigworld What about Barbershop Quartets? Once relavent and could be found nationwide in the 1940's. With new technology like tape recorders, ipods, computers, rock concerts, the barbershop quartet just doesn't seem to have it's place in today's technologically evolved society. Now with OSHA, common sense and building- fire codes, unions have become just as obsolete as yesterdays barber shop quartet. I don't see anyone protesting for those guys singing in the funny hats.
hatfisc 11 months ago
@hatfisc That's rather a silly and inaccurate comparison. Barbershop Quartets went obsolete because peoples musical tastes changed. That's not even similar.
Unions can sometimes go too far, but bargaining rights is reasonable. If you take away reasonable Unions, you take away even more power from THE PEOPLE and had it over to the overly-wealthy.
How much is enough. The bottom 50 percent of income earners in the United States now collectively own LESS than 1 percent of the nation’s wealth.
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
@littleladyinbigworld The top 50% pay 96% of all taxes while the bottom 50 pay the rest. The top 1% pay 39% of the tax burden. So what's your point? What are you suggesting? Face it. If there's a class war here, it's sure as hell isn't being waged by "the rich." Think about it. Union members aren't only going after the rich but others in the working class who put up more on their own benefits. I don't think you fully understand the lopsided wages and benefits with NOTHING being produced.
hatfisc 10 months ago
@hatfisc One more question. Why would the bottom 50%, who pay 4% of all taxes, have any stake in the tax break debate? Why is the bottom half bitching about tax breaks going back to people who actually pay taxes? You're young and don't quite understand. You've been led to believe that the rich are evil people and you somehow should have a stake in their fortunes. The Unions look so unbelievebly childish that they had to create the David Koch strawman.
hatfisc 10 months ago
@hatfisc I agree about there being a class war, but it was waged by the Ultra-Rich. Our economy was the strongest it had ever been back in the 50’s. Coincidently, that is when the American Unions were the strongest. As the Unions were attacked through loopholes, the economy went down hill with it. If people earn Middle Class money, they spend Middle Class money. THEY buy new cars and THEY increase the housing market. So there is a valid reason why our economy fluctuates with Middle Class.
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
@hatfisc Our Economy was OK in the 70’s. In the 80’s, Reagan attacked the Unions again- stripping and dissolving their power & our economy sank with them. Ultra-rich pay more taxes because they should. If a heavy object is being lifted, the strongest should lift the heaviest end- not given the lighter side. Some CEO's make over $5,000 an hour 24/7; I think they can afford to fork out some extra bucks. And that's not counting Multi-million $ bonus'. Add that up per week.
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
@hatfisc They still lived their outlandish and luxurious lifestyles in the 50’s, even while paying more taxes then than they do now.You seem like a nice person and I’m always grateful to speak with someone who isn’t screaming obscenities at me instead of debating, and for that I thank you. But People often guess me as being very young, or more commonly, Baby Boomer generation- when actually I am more in the middle. So I am neither a bias Hippie, nor am I too young to realize what’s going on.
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
@hatfisc The Ultra Rich aren't evil per say. Some are even generous; but that is because they can afford to be. I’ve had to cut off all charities in which I used to send donations because I must survive first, & I am not alone. I'm NO wild spender either. I own a used car, no Cell phone or credit cards. I’m sick of hearing how lazy people are from the far right, when all around me I see people working 50-60 hour weeks & still not being able to enjoy their lives & spend time w/ their families.
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
@littleladyinbigworld I'm sure we could clothe and feed tens of thousands of people if we took wealth away from someone but that is counterproductive to our economy. If we make the rich feel like they're under attack, they could take their wealth and families somewhere else. It would be catastrophic to our system if we scared all the wealth away. That top 1% that pays all those taxes? What if they all left after being labeled the villian here? That would literally collapse our economy.
hatfisc 10 months ago
@hatfisc Besides, whenever taxes are too low for the Ultra Rich, then they don't need to invest it back into the economy- they just live off the interests. Do you have any idea what the interest is on $20 Billion? Or just 1 Billion?
Our forefathers didn't want to replace a king with a handful of people who make more than most countries.
I look forward to your reply, sir.
littleladyinbigworld 10 months ago
@Budguy68 How often do you see Liberal countries invading and exterminating? Sweden? Switzerland? Scandinavian counties, Denmark, Holland, Norway, Czech, Finland? These are the most Liberal countries in the world. Look up what countries get the World Peace Awards- they are ALL Liberal countries. There is a difference between the US Democratic Party and Liberalism. A BIG difference.
littleladyinbigworld 1 year ago
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littleladyinbigworld 1 year ago
That makes it the same old trick they always pull; it’s equivalent to taking all of the food from a family’s house, and then saying, “Fine, if you’re going to whine this much, here- you can have a package of hotdogs back so it doesn’t feel like a total loss to you.” Well I say, FORGET IT! Keep stirring us up, right-wingers. We may not be natural war mongers like you, but our spirit is ten times stronger!!!
littleladyinbigworld 1 year ago
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Now they're going to throw a little scrap to the protesters and allow them to negotiate their wages ONLY. Wow, thanks. Stand still for 1 second and they push you bad 3 steps. Union members are supposed to be so relieved that they're getting SOMETHING, they're expected to just take what they can get and deal with it. WELL I SAY NO LONGER!!! This is another right wing organized attack against the middle class- AGAIN! They started the fire- let them get burned for a change! WE THE PEOPLE!!!
littleladyinbigworld 1 year ago
Complete lies. The Unions have agreed to all of the financial concessions in the bill. This has nothing to do with money. It's about busting the union. Very obvious after todays prank call. Take collective barganing off the table Gov. Walker and the bill will pass and it will be over.
bottleofreds 1 year ago
The real problem is that the governor gave his friends that voted him in a $137 million dollar tax break and now he needs to make $140 million spending cuts..... It's also telling that the firefighter and police unions (whom where exempted from the anti-union actions) are protesting along side the other unions.
sidihale 1 year ago