LDAC 2009 Part I

[payso999]

lol

[sandersrh100]

haha the airforce is gay you pog. get as stressed out as you want with your four month deployments sitting in aircondiotioned fobs you puss. hit 18 months in shitty afghanistan getting shot at everyday and compare that to your computer games

[GeneralArrow]

@sandersrh100 Have some respect for our other branches bro, I'd want birds in the sky covering my ass just as much as my fellow brother on the ground. America works as a team. Some of my best friends are Air Force and they work just as hard as we do, just in different ways. Branch rivalry be damned.

[grantsdaman01]

I'm from around Ft. Lewis and lived in the barracks seen in the vid when i was at JCLC in JROTC

[emirubio30]

gross! i actually stayed in those barracks for 5 weeks during Pre-mob training!!! LOL... I don't miss Lewis, but I miss seattle!

[skyline44512]

Not fighting the CVGs anymore, now it's the SAPA (South Atropian People's Army). Damn Atropians.

[SaoirseBonnieLass]

LDAC is hardcore...you guys were learning to have fun through it which is how we shud look at it...my drill instructor told me you have to learn to have fun here or you won't make it!

I love this vid and you guys are awesome! I myself am pretty pumped and getting ready for LDAC!!! Hooah!

[wargamecop]

The airforce has officers? I thought they were all just civilians in inform?

[BushyX]

After watching these videos it is my belief that Army ROTC goes here to shoot some guns, play in the woods, and just fart around in general for a month. Meanwhile Air Force ROTC is having a shitty time at Field Training, where they are in an intense and stressful environment the entire time. Makes you understand why the quality of most AF officers compares to the quality of Army officers the way it does.

[corytitus]

@BushyX You obviously don't understand the Army and lack perspective of AF training. Learning to shoot weapons, and conduct battle drills are essential parts of being in the Army - they also happen to be useful skills when in contact with the enemy. Let us not forget which branch is at risk on the front lines, and who is sitting back in the FOB.

I would hardly call being yelled at, and making beds at Field Training stressful compared to a 2.5K march through dense woods in 50 lbs of equipment.

[BushyX]

@corytitus Oh I understand, believe me I do. I understand that learning to shoot and things like that are essential to the Army. However, I also understand that MOST Army officers never will even be involved in a situation where they need to shoot a rifle at an enemy. Infantry is one of the toughest jobs to get as an Army officer (being up there with pilot, and armor). At AF Field Training we focus more on developing individual leadership skills that allow us to better perform (continued)

[BushyX]

@BushyX at any job we are put at. Yes, battle field skills are essential to those who are in that role, but MOST Army officers will not use them. The point of being an officer is to be a strong leader, no matter what branch you are in, and I feel like the Army focuses on more developing "battlefield skills." And I have nothing against Army, a lot of my friends are Army, but to be honest I am just not impressed with their program-at least not at my school.

[lakersfan4life13]

@BushyX LOL i laughed at all of your comments because you talk like you know everything. HAHA! First off, you might be semi-correct when you say that the training we receive in ROTC will not be carried on to our career as an officer. That is what BOLC is for. That is where we learn our specialty for the job we will be doing in the Army. The things we learn in ROTC are based on thing we will be assessed on at LDAC. Most of the things they teach us helps us learn the basis of tactics but it

[lakersfan4life13]

@BushyX doesn't mean thats what today's infantry does. The thing that ROTC teaches us is how to lead other and make decisions during stressful situations. A wrong decision is better than no decision. We don't train in ROTC for infantry. We train to help us become leader with mental agility and resilience. Think before you post something because it shows your lack of intelligence and because you are representing the AF, it makes us question the intelligence of future AF officers.

[lakersfan4life13]

@BushyX We wear the same flag. Remember that.Good luck to your future. 

[SaoirseBonnieLass]

@corytitus Roger.

[scottyi88]

@corytitus in ldac do we jus do we jus get evaluated on the lanes, obstacle courses and pt test or is there more

[xxbuboyxx]

@BushyX you probably dont even know what it takes to become a real officer. You think ROTC and LDAC teaches you how to become a tru leader, it doesnt. I was in AROTC for 2 years and noticed everyone was a freaking nerd. people who can make it in rotc are generally nerds probably like you. I got out of college and finished my 1st enlistment as a armored crewman. I wanted to understand my soldiers as one of them

[xxbuboyxx]

@BushyX I finished my enlistment and am now back in ROTC. All i can say about every soldier i talked to and asked what they want in a officer. is someone that truly understands n came from where they came from and not a power tripper or a socially awkward nerd. You have to be charismatic and able to identify with them. but also make the tough the decisions when needed. You dont get that from LDAC or college, you have to take the initiative and become a real soldier

[xxbuboyxx]

@corytitus that goes for you as well 

[Masonb555]

I really do not think you are prior service. A 2.5k!!!!??? Really, you do understand that the army does not do 2.5k. The smallest one that I have ever done was a 5k back in basic. Plus on top of that ROTC at a regular collgege is joke, an officer should not "play Army" every once in a while, an officer should be required to live in an intense enviroment like Westpoint or an SMC such as North Georgia, Citadel, Norwich, VMI, and so on. Trust me the SMCs and the Academy won't be impressed.

[HealeyIRA5]

@BushyX You're an idiot, the Chair Force has a different skillset (i.e. how to operate HBO, turn up the A/C, makes milkshakes, play XBOX 360) than the Army. Don't talk shit about the quality of Army officers, we'll do the fighting and call you if we want a column of British trucks accidentally lit up by A10s.

[BushyX]

@HealeyIRA5 Oh excuse me if AF has the intellect to bring A/C to a place that's hot. And I am not talking shit about Army officers, I was just poking a little fun at LDAC. Also most Army officers do not do any fighting, Infantry is probably the toughest position to get as an Army officer because they want the best of the best doing it. But if you want to compare AF ROTC to Army ROTC, Army spends time on skills that most will never use, AF focuses on actually turning cadets into leaders.

[HealeyIRA5]

@BushyX The point of all cadets learning battlefield skills is that the Army's most important job in our modern world is that of the Infantryman, and every other support/service that the Army offers is based around the infantryman and facilitating his ability to do his job. Thus, all Army officers should understand, no matter what they will be doing, what the final product of their support, the infantryman, needs to be, and can better support him.

[BushyX]

@HealeyIRA5 Well if that was true then shouldnt the AF teach all of their officers to fly planes?If a newly commissioned 2ndLt was selected for infantry do you think it'd be smart for the Army to give him a gun and a group of enlisted and tell him to go fight the war?No he gets specialized training for that which will make all of the training he got in ROTC redundant.The same is true for every other job, however pure leadership training is never redundant.Thats what ROTC training should focus on

[HealeyIRA5]

@BushyX No, you are wrong because at any moment in a place like Iraq or Afghanistan whether in a FOB or on patrol, any Army officer may be forced to become an infantryman in the wake of an attack (i.e. Tet Offensive, Battle of the Bulge), while at no point will any random AF officer be forced to become a pilot. We concentrate on the skill of our force that can decide life or death at any moment and the rest is easy enough to learn after ROTC.

[BushyX]

@HealeyIRA5 Same can be said for any personnel in any country designated a combat zone, and that includes AF officers. And I do realize that some need to know it, just in case, but the main point of ROTC should be leadership training, not infantry training. By focusing on leadership skills in ROTC you can better absorb the training you get after you commission. Like I said, if the military feels you need combat training you will get it after ROTC, making what you learn in ROTC redundant.

[HealeyIRA5]

@BushyX First off, that BARELY includes AF officers, and the main point is leadership training, cadets at LDAC rotate through leadership positions so that in addition to being a training aid to your comrades, you have people to actually lead when its your turn to be SL, you clearly know nothing about whats actually done at LDAC...ROTC and LDAC are for Leadership, and whether its of a platoon of infantrymen or a band of fobbits, infantry training is the best for teaching leadership under stress.

[BushyX]

@HealeyIRA5 Well it is probably different from school to school. I am just not impressed with the Army ROTC program at my school, nor am I impressed with the Army Cadets at my school. And I do know what goes on at LDAC, I have a roomie that has been there and he talked about it quite a bit. My first comment about this video was only half serious, they just seem to take it a little more hardcore at AF field training, but I did not mean to make it sound like LDAC has no training value.

[TheEmuTett]

@BushyX Come to the University of Arkansas you will be impressed with us

[roostercockmeat]

@BushyX are you kidding? the air force is the joke of the US military

[mrsircaptainahab]

@BushyX LOL some AF guys train with us at Army PT and are always bitching about getting dirty and how the workouts are too hard. AF guys are taught to be pampered and spoiled, the only punishment/"STRESS" they get is being yelled at.

2.5k march in woods with 50lbs ruck > getting yelled at in an A/C building

Also, I was in the AF program and switched to Army so I know both perspectives. Army is more demanding, AF people always get an inferiority complex and say theyre the best lol funny stuff

[RobVince117]

@BushyX Attitudes like that are one of the major causes to interservice rivalries that often hinder cross branch missios and teamwork. What happen to one team one fight? One team being the United States Armed Forces and one fight being the ending of conflict and the promotion of American interests.

[SaoirseBonnieLass]

@RobVince117 HOOAH! Well said! one team, one fight.

[combatCommohooah]

@BushyX HAHAHAHAHA OMG!! Please tell me you didn't just compare the ChAir Force with the Army....

[Mr2ndAmendment]

@BushyX

AF FT is a joke, and SO is LDAC, you just need to come to terms with the fact that Marine Corps OCS beats both. I'm Army ROTC and I understand the facts, get a grip man. Thanks for the laugh.

[AllAboutLearning]

@BushyX FTX is different for each college you go to. I'm in army ROTC and I have a few friends in the Naval ROTC. The people in the army rotc thinks the air force looks fun and easy, while the people in the air force see the naval rotc doing cooler stuff, and the naval rotc (usualy marine option) wishes their FTX was as easy as the air force. From everyone I talked to Air Force ROTC FTX is easy/fun while their academic classes seem to be harder. The Army was tougher at FTX, but easier in class.

[AllAboutLearning]

@BushyX And as far as LDAC, it's focused on what the people in the army will be doing. It is for the military to see if you have what it takes to become an officer. It isn't basic training, and isn't meant to be. This isn't to break soldiers down and teach them discipline, we already know all that by the time we get to LDAC. And your basing your argument based off of youtube videos? That is a very stupid thing to do. Let me guess, you use youtube for all your political opinions/ relgious views

[Cbaker1947]

@BushyX I am in Air Force ROTC right now about to switch to Army ROTC and I would say that you are a complete retard. Field Training is easy as shit, if you know your stuff then it should be called camp cup cake. My friends that have been through it said after day 4 it is easy as hell, just a bunch of marching, and then you get to shoot paintballs and act like you are deployed for two weeks, how hard is that. Just shut up and respect other branches..

[gumball3000rox]

So it was u guys that had to put all those together for the follow on cadets. I am so glad I was 10th regiment. Rained only once during weapons familiarization. They really gaggled the shit out of LDAC when they double stacked the regiments. hehehehe cadet commandless.

[stormincrum]

goray and a mighty fine display of history.

[psredhawk2010]

5th PLT was honor PLT! Yup.

[BnkrMnky]

When we started singing in the buses we would always hear "If I turn on the radio will you all shut the fuck up?" Reserve spec 4's are not nice but hey we got music outta it.

[mistercracklin]

Msg.B is the shit

[Stimmtness]

LDAC was stupid. Let it pass like the sands of time.

[jimmers85]

4th plt? 4th plt?!!

 4th plt couldn't get anything done because they spent all their time sucking cock.

but seriously contracted08, LDAC is over let it go

[huntergluck]

i second that. I can't believe people video'd this stuff as if we were deployed or something. LIG...

[duneranger]

dude your a hater

[contracted08]

4th plt rocked. you guys sucked!