The logos is connected to reason; now, the logos embodied in a person who is crucified and brings salvation is a myth. The first uses the reasoning, dialectical thinking; the second is a myth invented by christianity.
Wait, some people think that the Logos was a Christian innovation? Sometimes as an amateur scholar I feel really separated from those who don't research these things at all.
Here's the thing though, if I use the English would 'God' and describe who I think 'God' is (not based on any books but just on pure reasoning) and someone else uses the word 'God' and describes who he is before I do doesn't mean I borrowed his word 'God' to my view. Furthmore, if someone has a linguistical word that happens to explain my view on something and I use that word doesn't me that I was influenced by his philosophy of the word as my philosophy the that word will differ.
When you say it stems from Greek philosophy, you can take it back another step to Vedic philosophy coming through Alexander's time in Babylon & the extensive trade with and influence of NW India. The Logos is the Vedic "VAK".
h t t p ://papers.ssrn. com/sol3/papers. cfm?abstract_id=1727037
"You'll never learn this from Sunday School, that logos is from Greek Philosophy".
I'd correct that to "you'll never learn this from a BAD Sunday School". Either way, so what? As Averroes says, "Truth does not contradict truth". I guess since the Gospels were written in Greek that means that they are pagan as well? Just because Christianity uses pagan symbols does not make it pagan itself. Just because Christianity agrees with other beliefs on some issues, does not make it pagan itself.
@insidetrip101- That all depends on how conservative a person's view of Christianity is. You would not be discussing Greek philosophy in John in a fundamentalist setting.
Then I would argue that a "fundamentalist setting" isn't Christian, and furthermore only addresses an insignificant portion of those who call themselves Christians. Its very clear that the Church fathers were heavily influenced by Greek Philosophy, and if that is true then in order to understand Christianity we have to know something about Greek Philosophy.
At the very least "fundamentalist" Christians are then ignorant; at worst they're heretical.
Bertrand Russell's history of western philosophy does a fantastic job of explaining the origins of Hellenistic philosophy and it's direct lineage to Christianity. I recommend recommending it to your audience :)
The logos is connected to reason; now, the logos embodied in a person who is crucified and brings salvation is a myth. The first uses the reasoning, dialectical thinking; the second is a myth invented by christianity.
quatrocoqui 1 month ago
Wait, some people think that the Logos was a Christian innovation? Sometimes as an amateur scholar I feel really separated from those who don't research these things at all.
CallMeIshmael999 1 month ago
Here's the thing though, if I use the English would 'God' and describe who I think 'God' is (not based on any books but just on pure reasoning) and someone else uses the word 'God' and describes who he is before I do doesn't mean I borrowed his word 'God' to my view. Furthmore, if someone has a linguistical word that happens to explain my view on something and I use that word doesn't me that I was influenced by his philosophy of the word as my philosophy the that word will differ.
TrinityEqualsHell 1 month ago
When you say it stems from Greek philosophy, you can take it back another step to Vedic philosophy coming through Alexander's time in Babylon & the extensive trade with and influence of NW India. The Logos is the Vedic "VAK".
h t t p ://papers.ssrn. com/sol3/papers. cfm?abstract_id=1727037
dunklaw 1 month ago
@dunklaw- Thanks! I'll definitely check it out.
wayman29 1 month ago
@wayman29 Here's a little bonus:-
bsu. edu/libraries/virtualpress/wolfe/word/ParallelTeachings.pdf
dunklaw 1 month ago
@dunklaw- thanks!
wayman29 1 month ago
I stuck with this video to the end because I find the topic fascinating, but your delivery is definitely chloroform in pixels.
txvoltaire 1 month ago
@txvoltaire -That's why it's YouTube. If you want professional delivery watch a Cable Channel documentary.
wayman29 1 month ago
"You'll never learn this from Sunday School, that logos is from Greek Philosophy".
I'd correct that to "you'll never learn this from a BAD Sunday School". Either way, so what? As Averroes says, "Truth does not contradict truth". I guess since the Gospels were written in Greek that means that they are pagan as well? Just because Christianity uses pagan symbols does not make it pagan itself. Just because Christianity agrees with other beliefs on some issues, does not make it pagan itself.
insidetrip101 1 month ago
@insidetrip101- That all depends on how conservative a person's view of Christianity is. You would not be discussing Greek philosophy in John in a fundamentalist setting.
wayman29 1 month ago
@wayman29
Then I would argue that a "fundamentalist setting" isn't Christian, and furthermore only addresses an insignificant portion of those who call themselves Christians. Its very clear that the Church fathers were heavily influenced by Greek Philosophy, and if that is true then in order to understand Christianity we have to know something about Greek Philosophy.
At the very least "fundamentalist" Christians are then ignorant; at worst they're heretical.
insidetrip101 1 month ago
@insidetrip101 - I would have to agree with you here. Thanks for stopping by!
wayman29 1 month ago
Bertrand Russell's history of western philosophy does a fantastic job of explaining the origins of Hellenistic philosophy and it's direct lineage to Christianity. I recommend recommending it to your audience :)
D0ug91 1 month ago
@D0ug91 Thanks! I'll look that book up.
wayman29 1 month ago