46 PEOPLE ARE HOPELESSLY lost AND IN NEED OF A SAVIOUR. bECAUSE, You all know GOD exists, you supress the truth in unrighteousness. And your vain thinking has become foolish. There's STILL TIME To make heaven and cheat death, but you MUST Repent and come to Christ, knowing that HE took your sins for you. It's how this world is played brothers n sisters. REPENT And accept Christ and Live forever. It's not too difficult folks, just drop the denial hat
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
@gregrutz Perhaps you should educate yourself more on what is science and what is not. Biology has nothing to do with evolution theory unless you are brainwashed by your school teachers. I have studied biology for 12 years without a single 'evolution' in my school text books. It's so dumb to say that evolution is backbone of biology. We know it's not and why.
It's very rhetoric that evolution has to be all about science. This kind of dull rationalization about science is all about discrediting and discriminating science itself. The inclusion of evolution theory into assumption that it contributes to be part of science is the already falsified hypocrisy for those who love and admire science. Science had ever existed without evolutionism in human history. Evolution is not science but sadly it's the science which is misused for the unscientific purpose.
@ceparuak There are over 250,000 peer-reviewed scientific studies on evolution, with full support from every related life science, including genetics. There has not been a single falsification to refute evolution in 150 years of relentless scrutiny!
It is the backbone of Biology, and accepted by all scientists.
@gregrutz : I'm sorry to burst your little bubble, but there is absolutely zero chance evolution could have occurred. First of all the evidence points absolutely to a world wide flood ( which is all that could explain the
" geologic " column ) unless you believe all those lifeforms were covered on the surface of the Earth (over hundreds of thousands of years) by dust particles ( without the lifeforms eroding or being scavenged ) which is of course impossible.
@RISEUPOLORD I am sorry to be the one to inform you, but evolution is taught as fact and geology proves there was no flood. The flood bull shit was debunked 200 years ago and evolution was accepted 150 years ago, Try and keep up with science.
The geology shows distinct layers of different kinds of rock, floods don't do that. Floods don't make ash layers or slow growing reefs. Try reading a geology book instead of getting your science in church.
@gregrutz I do keep up with science, that is how I know you are wrong. You say evolution is taught as fact, yet what you fail to mention is that evolution is still classed as a theory, because there hasn't been any evidence in 150 years to substantiate the " theory ". I take it you believe, the geologic column was formed over hundreds of thousands of years without the lifeforms eroding or being scavenged within that time frame...it could only have been formed rapidly, by water.
@RISEUPOLORD Not another ''It's just a theory'' IDiot.
Yes, I 'believe' something can be buried for millions of years, we have fossils dummy. Some fossils are in tar pits and desert sandstone, some are reefs like the one at Carlsbad Caverns Nat. Park. Some fossils are buried under 5000 feet of rock like at Grand Canyon Nat. Park. Try going outside and looking a nature.
@gregrutz You're not quite getting the picture, it's also interesting how you debase yourself by jumping straight to the ad hominem attacks. Anyway, I'll write slowly so you can understand. The evolutionist viewpoint is that many of the fossils were buried after dying upon the surface of the Earth, and they were then buried
( over vast amounts of time ) without eroding or being scavenged. Now ask your self if that is possible. They had to be buried rapidly, and by water...sound familiar.
@RISEUPOLORD "The evolutionist viewpoint is that many of the fossils were buried after dying upon the surface of the Earth, and they were then buried ( over vast amounts of time ) without eroding or being scavenged. Now ask your self if that is possible."
Possible? Yes. Common? No. Animals rarely become fossils due to the amount of specifications it requires. That's why there are so many gaps in the fossil record.
@deepskyblue There is no fossil record, it only exists in the text books. The " geologic column " is made up of strata, and layered according to earth (mud) settling in water. It could only have happened by water, then the earth settles to the bottom once the waters are still, creating a layered foundation (and the animals being buried within.)
A perfect example of this would be the Cliffs of Dover, which are made of planktonic algae and could only have been formed by water, proving the flood.
@EnglishSeraph Humans tend to exaggerate. Just because some bloke some centuries back got his house washed away by a "common" spring flood, or some breaking landmass doesn't make the whole planet turned under water. Although, sitting right in the middle of it, with the water taking days to dimnish again and stretched to the horizon anywhere, it must certainly look like it to an uneducated mind that knows only faith and magic.
In other news, I caught a fish thiiiiiiiis big yesterday:
@Nerani There are over 500 flood accounts from all over the world, many parallel the Biblical account. Some of these include The Chinese classic called the Hihking which tells about the family of Fuhi, that was saved from a great flood. Also Southwest Tanzania in Africa parallels the Biblical account, and of course there's the epic of Gilgamesh. There was a flood! And that's the only way you can explain the " geologic column " those animals were buried rapidly and in muddy water. Wake up.
@EnglishSeraph What is the name of the flood mud layer with all the dead bodies in it? Where did 29,029 feet of water go? The Geologic column has ash layer, corals, chalk and other layers NOT LAID DOWN Rapidly by WATER. Wake UP !
@gregrutz Congratulations on debasing yourself with ad hominem attacks...this will be my last response to such as you. Firstly stratification does make distinct layers watch these thou " seeker of truth " /watch?v=4xEDPK5SkYE ... or don't... whatever. I don't lower myself to your level. Oh and for future reference..... writing in capitals doesn't actually turn the volume up.
@gregrutz The g.canyon fits the true creation perspective, not your evolution nonsense.
And that includes your Coconino Sandstone.. Just ask Glen Visher, Professor of Geology (not a creationist geologist) Whom interpreted the Coconino Sandstone as a submarine sand wave deposit accumulated by WATER, NOT WIND!
I pray your eyes can be opened, and that you can be open to receive the glorious gospel of Christ.
Every fuching thing was caused by water. All the sand is from water. All the coral reefs are form water. the clams on mountain tops are from water. The desert fossils in the Coconino Sandstone lived under water. The whole world is still covered with water.
YOU DUMB SHITS. NOT EVERYTHING IS FROM WATER.
FLOODS DON'T MAKE DISTINCT LAYERS OF DIFFERENT KINDS OR ROCK
@RISEUPOLORD *rolls eyes* Sorry to enlighten you pal, but everything in science is theory. It just seems like facts because it's the way you practically apply them when you need to. When they don't work in your model/problem, you have to rethink your theory. Nuclear physics, or physics in general are a nice example here.
Oh the other hand... I don't see much reasoning when religions look so very much like theories themselves.
Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
23 That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity. 24 Yea, they shall not be planted;
yea, they shall not be sown: yea, their stock shall not take root in the earth: and he shall also blow upon them, and they shall wither, and the whirlwind shall take them away as stubble.
25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.
26 Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.
did you know that less then 40% of Americans actually believe in evolution. That's crazy considering that magazines, text books, movies, news programs and every other type of media and what have you try to cram it down our throats. My theory is that the majority of people have questions that science can't answer because there is no evidence for it and people really aren't stupid enough to beleive in it. This explains why evolutionists get so mad, they have inferiority complexes.
@gregrutz Whats your problem? I've seen your name pop up in a few of Professor Veiths videos...you've been told of his credentials, yet you still act as though you have a world of knowledge over him...
What are your credentials???
I suggest you answer wisely or every comment you've made is as valuable as pond scum
@gregrutz It's the american way. Putting -ism after words. Religion only knows how to fight and discredit other religion. Thus it needs to pull lines of facts and resulting reasoning with formulates theories which in turn are reviewed and only taken as valid until they are disproved and replaced by something more accurate and practical, down to it's level by claiming a theory to be a religion. Just because it hasn't been disproved in a couple hundred years.
I do believe that "intelligence" is probably involved in both the origins of life and in the process of evolution and diversification of species... but there is NO WAY that I think this "intelligence" is the so-called "God of Abraham".
For one thing, the species are all competitive, opportunistic, and self-serving... and each seems to have its OWN variety of "intelligence".
Bacteria mutate to become resistant to antibiotics, DEADLIER to mammals & more successful. Not accidental, IMO.
NOT accidental... but NOT the work of some benevolent "creator", either. Also NOT infallible. There are birth defects, and often harmful mutations, like an experiment gone wrong.
No so-called benevolent creator came up with the likes of anopheles mosquitoes, malaria, tsetse flies, ticks, Lyme Disease, flesh-eating bacteria, heart worms, fleas, bubonic plague, swine flu, cancer, brown recluse spiders, tapeworms, senile dementia... and we could go on and on.
And it is religi-tards like you, CBALLEN, who make a self-fulfilling prophecy out of Armageddon by fomenting religiously motivated warfare, genocide, and destruction all over the world for thousands of years.
Cartoonist Ron Cobb did a brilliant cartoon depicting two advancing armies, headed straight for each other, guns at the ready. Overhead, a common thought balloon: "God is on OUR side!!!"
Mass "Darwin Award" for all religious people ever killed in "Holy" warfare. Out of gene pool, YAY!
no, that is all you hear when you plug your ears and put on your god glasses. But that's not enough if you want to raise a truly ignorant family. It also helps to pull your kids out of middle school. Those darn 9th grade bio classes can really convert people to the satanic cult of science.
..Dr.Vieth taught evolution for years at the graduate level and was chair of his department. He recieved his PhD in 1979. I think it's a safe thing to say he is well equiped to speak on these topics. If you don't want to believe in God..that's fine, but try and put a little thought into your comments.
The basic problem is that NONE of the people who attack evolution have actually studied it. If they did, they would of course see that there's nothing TO attack. It isn't a Satanic Conspiracy, it's simply the description of a process, providing a very useful taxonomy and a way to understand relationships. I see no way around this problem of ignorance. And it will become far worse if we allow these untutored people to drag our science education back into the bronze age.
Exactly. The majority of people, even well-educated haven't studied biology, genetics, and evolution enough to truly understand them. It's not difficult for these people to be convinced by the simple, comforting, and easy to understand (yet completely false and dishonest) ideas of creationism.
Indeed. I just feel bad for the children and uneducated people that are being exposed to this crap. I mean, people can believe whatever they want, but when they start trying to discredit science with their ignorant, hippocritical, prejudiced BS, something needs to be done. This is the 21st century people we need more education not book burning. At least Kent Hovind is behind bars, that's a start.
It would actually help if a well learned evolutionist like you could point out the things that are wrong with this presentation, other than labeling it BS etc.
Most of this presentation is actually pretty decent as far as creationism goes. However most scientists would disagree that genocide is a direct result of darwinian concepts. This is just an attempt to demonize evolution, and has nothing to do with its truth. He seems to be either ignorant of or ignoring the well-documented concept of interbreeding populations (species) and how they merge and diverge. Also he implies that the only way to appreciate variety is if you know that God loves it.
@Craigmw45 You have to joking, that's exactly what it is. Random chance changes that favour the organism for that particular environment and give it an advantage over the rest.
@Priesty77 "You have to joking, that's exactly what it is"
No I'm not joking, and no it is in no way what so ever, in any conceivable universe a random process. I suggest you do a little more reading on the process. I don't know what you feel is correct, but the favorite strawman of creationists is screaming random chance random chance as loud as they can, trying to convince their ignorant audience evolution is a random process.
I hope you're not talking about Kent Hovind and his PhDumb. If you mean Dr. Veith, he's never been a professor or educator. He's a speaker and author. Sure his PhD counts, I don't know what kind of counting you're doing. If your talking about legitimate doctors of biology that support creationism, you could probably count them on one hand. And how many people believe something, or what their credentials are, doesn't effect its scientific validity.
Yeah, you're right, he was a professor, I missed that. Just because I made a mistake doesn't mean I'm a drug addict. At least I admit when I'm wrong unlike any fundamentalist I've ever encountered.
i have met this guy, he used to be one of those professors who bash Christianity and would dare people to stand up against evolution and defend their religion just to be humiliated but then he found God and he completely changed.
No offense kybean, but trying to educate people like you regarding creation is tantamount to trying to teach a chimpanzee infinitesimal calculus. You are disgrace to this man's credentials. He taught evolution at the tertiary level, and received his doctorate at the University of Cape Town, South Africa. He was a Professor, and has a Ph.D. in Zoology, and he used to "slaughter his students" who believed in Creation. His conversion process is amazing.
@Lysimachus78 who are "people like me"? I think I'll manage without being "educated" regarding your twisted fairy tales. How am I a disgrace to Veith's credentials? that doesn't even make sense. I already acknowleged his teaching history, and pointed out that it has little-nothing to do with the validity of his stupid claims. I don't care who he "slaughtered" and for what reason, that also lends no credence to the idiocy of this video.
The video is "idiocy" to u, only because u want it to. Your heart is perverted, & u wish to have no authoritative God ruling your life. That is the crux of the matter. No matter what you think, and no matter what you say. The heart is deceitful, & desperately wicked. Jer 17:9.
Those who r open to the fact that God might exist recognize solid evidence in Veith's presentations. Those who cringe at the thought that there might be a God, such word's as Veith's become "foolishness" to them.
@Lysimachus78 I don't cringe at the thought that there might be a god, I laugh. Do you cringe at the thought that the Muslims might have it all right, and your infidel ass is going to be fried in the 'ol hereafter? You just don't want to wear a burka that is the crux of the matter you wicked pervert. You should really right a paper on your amazing discoveries, I hear New Scientist really likes bible references. I'm open to the fact that anything might exist, why don't you tell the solid evidence
No offense kybean, but trying to educate people like you regarding creation is tantamount to trying to teach a chimpanzee infinitesimal calculus. You are disgrace to this man's credentials. He taught evolution at the tertiary level, and received his doctorate at the University of Cape Town, South Africa. He was a Professor, and has a Ph.D. in Zoology, and he used to "slaughter his students" who believed in Creation. His conversion process is amazing.
The reason why you come to your erroneous conclusions is because you don't study. You know what convinced me on Christianity? 15 years of intensive study, with my nose in the books...not just with Evolution vs. Creation, but the prophesies! The majority of the Biblical prophesies have all come to pass, to an exact T! I've compared the Muslim world, they fail! The Catholics created Islam to destroy true Christianity. True Christianity is not what you perceive it to be. They r few.
@Lysimachus78 I do study. I'm sure I haven't studied theology as much as you, because the intricate, twisted, asinine details of it are really not what I want to spend my life on. But I have studied enough of it to be confident believing that I have explored all the leading "evidence" for their claims and found it not to be evidence at all. Have any evidence? or do just want to keep making wild claims?
@gregrutz- U do not know your history. I have before me a massive 4 Vol Set entitled "Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers" by Dr. Froom, a Church Historian. It is 4000 pages of massive exegetical research. The data is unmistakable. Judo-Christianity existed in Asia minor long before Catholicism began. Paul had warned that "man of sin" would arise within the Church. True, genuine Christianity existed before the Papacy, the Antichrist system, came on the scene.
(cont.) This is why u atheists need to go back to the drawing board regarding the true origins of Christianity. The fact of the matter is, u guys r totally clueless. I have analyzed & gone over a multitude of records regarding the development of Christianity. The errors of Catholicism is just an excuse for Atheists to hang their doubts on. But this will not make u innocent, just because of the atrocities of Christianity. U will still be held accountable for not seeking that which was genuine.
It doesn't take a rocket scientists, or a Ph.D., to figure out that the oceans we have today make up about 70% of our planet. Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps the other 30% might have been covered by water at one point too? Just looking at the globe from space you can see that the oceans covering the majority of the earth are simply the "left-overs" of the global flood.
@Imaginefree69 "The basic problem is that NONE of the people who attack evolution
have actually studied it."
Did you actually say that...on a video presented by Professor Veith LMAO
If you are trying to defend evolution, your doing a magnificently bad job...Professor Veith knows more about evolution than anyone commenting here, so how do you back up your comment??
Polonium halos proves that the Earth was never molten and the large amount of helium in rocks prove the Earth is thousands not billions oyo.Since the Earth is young instead of old macro evolution would not have enough time to make all things proving that things were created in the form that they have today.IRREFUTABLE !
The Earth,universe,man and animals were all made fully formed and functioning,so if you could see everything on the 7 th day,how old would you guess that it was?
The Bible was talking about winged insects like locust that walk on 4 legs,they hop on their back legs.Also when it talks about bats and birds the Hebrew word meant winged creatures.
we don't need radiometric dating methods for dating the universe.. only the earth
the universe is proven to be older than 13 billion years with the help of Cosmology and Astronomy.. to deny that is to deny gravity and the constant speed of light
(no.. the speed of light could NOT have been more than it is todayr)
also.. he has a very simplified and misguided understanding of Genes, and tries to pass Speciation of as Minor genetic variation, what a jerk
if you really want to know how genetics work when it comes to evolution.. see DonExodus2 ( he's the only theist, and christian among the youtube anti-creationist crowd)
All creationists are idiots. Naylonase evolved by chance in nature and in the lab, under selection. An whole enzyme in just a few decades (in nature). This is just enough proof to show that this guy is a moron :)
first of all, i'm european... we don't have terms like "darwinist" and "evolutionist".. it sounds the same as "newtonist" or "einsteinian" to me.. ^^
secondly.. no one in europe (except half the muslim population of Turkey) shares your evangelical opinion that.. (let me try this with a redneck mindset..) "God put them bones in the ground to test our faith!"
on second thought.. who cares about fossils. Genetics and biochemistry on the other hand.. you might want to read up on that...jesusfreak
i know what Ben Stein, Pat robertsson and the late jerry fallwell, Ken Ham, VenomFangX, Kent Hovind and others mean by it.. but there are different interpretations
for example.. the semi-crazy Evangelicals "think" evolution includes Abiogenesis ( how life STARTED) and so they call that + the actual theory of evolution = "Evolutionism"
darwinism is used the same way except when reffering to Social Darwinism
Kent Hovind however included Costmology, astrology, Geology, palentology etc etc,
Well, I don't think there is any need for any confusion. Just stick with the teachings of Darwin for the theory. All you have to do is hold it up beside the scientific evidence and if you are honestly seeking for the truth the science itself will tell you whether Darwin was right or whether his theory has become a religion.
even if "darwinism" ( it's been NEO-darwinism for the last 100 years or so btw ).. wasn't validated independently by multiple fields of science.......
you'd still be stuck with a planet with an age of 4,5 billion years
(inb4 radiometric dating doesn't work because creationist seminars and answersingenesis said so)
Radiometric dating cannot be used to determine the age of the earth.
Check this experiment:
Allosaurus bone that was sent to The University of Arizona to be carbon dated. The results were 9,890 +/- 60 years and 16,120 +/- 220 years.
"We didn't tell them that the bones they were dating were dinosaur bones. The result was sample B at 16,120 years. The Allosaurus dinosaur was supposed to be around 140,000,000 years. The samples of bone were blind samples."
Carbon dating only works to Date things that have Carbon 14 in it. and because of it's Short Half-life.. the method isn't effective past 30 thousand years
i don't see the relevance of Carbon dating in measuring the age of the earth
well.. you could just stop relying on Conservapedia and Kirk Cameron for your science litteracy and go see DonExodus2 Vids.. i'm sure you will find them informative
If you wanted to know the truth about communism who would you ask? Do you think you would go to Joseph Stalin or Karl Marx?
If you wish to know the truth about science would you go to someone preaching pseudoscience? I don't think so. If you wish to know the truth about evolution look for those who are giving you REAL science not RELIGION!
the overwhelming consensus is on the side of evolution. and has been since before you were born.. but even so... i would evaluate everything critically.. and i do..
btw i KNOW the truth about communism = it only works in theory
do you believe the world is less than 10 000 years old?....
Does the legend at 1:37 honestly say "wikipedia article"/"no wikipedia article"?
2:12 - thank god (:P) RNA came before DNA! (RNA can be used to make proteins by itself. RNA on it's own can keep a cell living: you don't need DNA (it's just more stable) - see bacteria).
3:55 - sickle cell anemia is purely helpful if it's genotypically heterogenous. (one strand saying: give me SCA, the other says: don't) There are other purely beneficial mutations: some women can see UV light.
Through loads and loads of neutral mutations: things which are neither good or bad. Most mutations aren't good or bad: every human has thousands of mutations. Every cell has half a dozen mutations in which it's different from others. (One deletion only deactivates one protein, which might not even be neccisary). Many things which are now functional for one thing now could be used differently earlier: magnetic charges (nerve cells) could be used to repel attackers (proteins are negatively charged
). Duplication (a part of the genome being copied to another location, but still existing in the old one) happens often, which leads to an increase of genes, which can then mutate without causing negative effects (it's still somewhere else). This was about 6:50.
7:40 The bugs' genes don't change between spring and fall! Which genes are expressed change: hormones determine which. Saying these have different genes is like saying women mutate every month.
loooooo WOW this "the cat is in the hat" example is priceless, what is the crowd made of? 6 years old? is that happening in a developped, educated country like the US, cause it's seems to be happening in the US.....scary for them......
Its twisted. The great brains of our civilization go round and round and round in circles with this over-blown, cleverly-worded tripe.
Some things we can't know here on this level of existence.
What we can know is that some beings on this planet are being hacked to pieces by machete in Darfur, that dogs are skinned alive in China, and that dispensing carbon into our atmosphere is changing the Earth.
It is easier to sit on our arses seeking out debates and mysteries. Surreal.
Right, living organisms adapting, changing, and evolving to survive better in the environment could never happen. BUT there is an invisable man who lives in the sky, who will do awful things to you if you don't believe or worship him BUT he loves you. Yeah okay.
"GOD" is not an invisable as you say...you because you can't see him doesn't mean he is not there...AND HE WONT do awful things to you if you don't worship Him, thats what a loving creator does...He gives you the choice to believe in Him or not...That must be a cold and lonley world you live in...I surely hope that you do more surching of your own...with an open mind...Godbless
You might want to reconsider what you think reason and logic is. Based on your own comments it would appear that your reason and logic is something only you would consider as such.
Well, the problem comes in when commenting about God's character. Did you know that the popular idea and teachings of hell isn't even biblical? That and the idea of free will does not have anything to do with what God predicting anything. Forgive me if I seem insulting at all as that is not my goal.
A lot of the crap Christians on about is not strictly biblical, but that does not seem to stop many.
While it is true the bible mainly speak of being discarded into the fire (to be consumed), the most popular notion nowadays includes ever lasting pain.
Free will and omniscience are incompatible notions, for if god did now everything we could not have free will (as he would know the results of giving it to us).
I am not insulted by my arguments being attacked - I am not them.
Well put, but I must disagree with the thoughts of free and will in conjunction with omniscience. God can do all things and this applies to knowing everything, all the way down to exactly what we are going to do and say throughout our entire life. This does not mean we don't have free will. God knows what you will have to eat tomorrow. Does that mean you have no choice about what to eat? Obviously no, just that He knows what its going to be.
An all knowing god would know the choices we make. He would even know if we are going to change our minds at the last moment. He would know why and what final "decision" we would make. Knowing what our choice is going to be is tantamount to predetermining it. After all, we are told god created everything with a plan in mind, but what kind of plan could it be if anyone with free will can come along and muck it up?
Believe me, I understand your position, but you haven't yet seen my point. The idea that God knows even your final decisions is NOT tantamount to predetermining it. There's the disagreement. Realize that it's not possible for us to fully understand how that works, but rather have faith that God knows what He's doing and that He can do it well.
"The idea that God knows even your final decisions is NOT tantamount to predetermining it"
Is god working to a plan? Are our "decisions" part of this plan? Seems pretty clear cut to me.
Your basic point is - "Because it makes no sense it must be beyond our understanding. If it's beyond our understanding - it must be god." This is equivalent to saying "Every time my head hurts - that's god."
Your reasoning seems on par with a copout. Is it not possible to accept that there are things you can't understand? Or do you insist you have to know everything about everything? A headache is a piss poor example to use, anyway. God's plan is to allow us to make our own decisions. What is so hard to understand about that?
There is much I do not understand, but I don't attribute that to God. What if you knew everything about everything only to discover there is no god?
If there is an all knowing god who designed everything with an ultimate goal in mind and included "free will" an an ingredient, then its consequences must be part of the ultimate purpose (although why an all powerful god needs to go through these motions is unclear).
It's really simple - all knowing MEANS all knowing.
I'm not debating that. I'm well aware that all knowing means all knowing. Since we are not all knowing beings it would make sense that we don't understand everything about God's plan. Again, why is this so difficult?
We don't need to know everything about god plan to know that is a silly idea and completely illogical.
Again, you are saying "it doesn't make sense, therefore it must because we don't understand enough of it". Of course, it is also possible that it doesn't make sense because the whole idea is ridiculous.
So you refuse to accept it because you can't understand it? How can you expect to completely understand God's plan being omnipotent like He is?
"We don't need to know everything about god plan to know that is a silly idea and completely illogical."
And yet many things you say and think every day could be considered silly and illogical, yet you think it's perfectly reasonable. So you think that because you can't understand it, it must be ridiculous. Sorry, but that sounds egotistical.
"And yet many things you say and think every day could be considered silly and illogical, yet you think it's perfectly reasonable."
It is possible, but I try to keep those instances to a minimum.
"So you think that because you can't understand it, it must be ridiculous."
That's not what I said at all. You made the assumption that one must first know all there is to know about a particular argument before you can dismiss it. This is patently false.
So because He knows about it you believe they don't have free will. Interesting observation, but you keep forgetting to take into account the God is ALL KNOWING and will know how to allow us free will while knowing what decisions we will make. Stop assuming you have to understand EVERYTHING in order to believe. I will not post here again either. Good luck and God bless.
This Man is Awesome and His messages are profound. This is the TIME when we might hear, for there is a time coming when no one will want hear. They will put their fingers in their ears and scream, so they can't hear the truth. Thank God we can still listen, understand and make a choice with our own minds and hearts. Selah.
I am a 60 years old cancer suffering pensioner I don't have time for pile of shit videos like this, goodbye!
someweirdkidable 5 months ago
maybe before commenting some of you should watch the 6 parts to this seminar .
stevengreen775 6 months ago
46 PEOPLE ARE HOPELESSLY lost AND IN NEED OF A SAVIOUR. bECAUSE, You all know GOD exists, you supress the truth in unrighteousness. And your vain thinking has become foolish. There's STILL TIME To make heaven and cheat death, but you MUST Repent and come to Christ, knowing that HE took your sins for you. It's how this world is played brothers n sisters. REPENT And accept Christ and Live forever. It's not too difficult folks, just drop the denial hat
robbiek77 9 months ago
WATCH NOAH' FLOOD DEBUNKED !
gregrutz 9 months ago
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
Thomas Paine
nigelsenchez 1 year ago
@gregrutz Perhaps you should educate yourself more on what is science and what is not. Biology has nothing to do with evolution theory unless you are brainwashed by your school teachers. I have studied biology for 12 years without a single 'evolution' in my school text books. It's so dumb to say that evolution is backbone of biology. We know it's not and why.
ceparuak 1 year ago
@ceparuak ''Biology has nothing to do with evolution theory '' Let me guess, you live in the South.
Is that why they call them 'Evolutionary Biologists'' dummy.
gregrutz 9 months ago
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''they were then buried( over vast amounts of time ) without eroding or being scavenged''
No, not vast amounts of time.
No, not without be 'scavenged'
You have nevered studied fossils, have you.
What is the name of the flood mud layer with all the fossils in it?
gregrutz 1 year ago
He did make it 40 seconds without distorting things, a record for creationist.
Then he starts talking about 'chance' and mutations. Darwin did not know about mutations and he still proved how evolution works.
gregrutz 1 year ago
It's very rhetoric that evolution has to be all about science. This kind of dull rationalization about science is all about discrediting and discriminating science itself. The inclusion of evolution theory into assumption that it contributes to be part of science is the already falsified hypocrisy for those who love and admire science. Science had ever existed without evolutionism in human history. Evolution is not science but sadly it's the science which is misused for the unscientific purpose.
ceparuak 1 year ago
@ceparuak There are over 250,000 peer-reviewed scientific studies on evolution, with full support from every related life science, including genetics. There has not been a single falsification to refute evolution in 150 years of relentless scrutiny!
It is the backbone of Biology, and accepted by all scientists.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz : I'm sorry to burst your little bubble, but there is absolutely zero chance evolution could have occurred. First of all the evidence points absolutely to a world wide flood ( which is all that could explain the
" geologic " column ) unless you believe all those lifeforms were covered on the surface of the Earth (over hundreds of thousands of years) by dust particles ( without the lifeforms eroding or being scavenged ) which is of course impossible.
RISEUPOLORD 1 year ago
@RISEUPOLORD I am sorry to be the one to inform you, but evolution is taught as fact and geology proves there was no flood. The flood bull shit was debunked 200 years ago and evolution was accepted 150 years ago, Try and keep up with science.
The geology shows distinct layers of different kinds of rock, floods don't do that. Floods don't make ash layers or slow growing reefs. Try reading a geology book instead of getting your science in church.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz I do keep up with science, that is how I know you are wrong. You say evolution is taught as fact, yet what you fail to mention is that evolution is still classed as a theory, because there hasn't been any evidence in 150 years to substantiate the " theory ". I take it you believe, the geologic column was formed over hundreds of thousands of years without the lifeforms eroding or being scavenged within that time frame...it could only have been formed rapidly, by water.
RISEUPOLORD 1 year ago
@RISEUPOLORD Not another ''It's just a theory'' IDiot.
Yes, I 'believe' something can be buried for millions of years, we have fossils dummy. Some fossils are in tar pits and desert sandstone, some are reefs like the one at Carlsbad Caverns Nat. Park. Some fossils are buried under 5000 feet of rock like at Grand Canyon Nat. Park. Try going outside and looking a nature.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz You're not quite getting the picture, it's also interesting how you debase yourself by jumping straight to the ad hominem attacks. Anyway, I'll write slowly so you can understand. The evolutionist viewpoint is that many of the fossils were buried after dying upon the surface of the Earth, and they were then buried
( over vast amounts of time ) without eroding or being scavenged. Now ask your self if that is possible. They had to be buried rapidly, and by water...sound familiar.
RISEUPOLORD 1 year ago
@RISEUPOLORD "The evolutionist viewpoint is that many of the fossils were buried after dying upon the surface of the Earth, and they were then buried ( over vast amounts of time ) without eroding or being scavenged. Now ask your self if that is possible."
Possible? Yes. Common? No. Animals rarely become fossils due to the amount of specifications it requires. That's why there are so many gaps in the fossil record.
deepskyblue 1 year ago
@deepskyblue There is no fossil record, it only exists in the text books. The " geologic column " is made up of strata, and layered according to earth (mud) settling in water. It could only have happened by water, then the earth settles to the bottom once the waters are still, creating a layered foundation (and the animals being buried within.)
A perfect example of this would be the Cliffs of Dover, which are made of planktonic algae and could only have been formed by water, proving the flood.
EnglishSeraph 10 months ago
@EnglishSeraph Humans tend to exaggerate. Just because some bloke some centuries back got his house washed away by a "common" spring flood, or some breaking landmass doesn't make the whole planet turned under water. Although, sitting right in the middle of it, with the water taking days to dimnish again and stretched to the horizon anywhere, it must certainly look like it to an uneducated mind that knows only faith and magic.
In other news, I caught a fish thiiiiiiiis big yesterday:
Feast4all!
Nerani 10 months ago
@Nerani There are over 500 flood accounts from all over the world, many parallel the Biblical account. Some of these include The Chinese classic called the Hihking which tells about the family of Fuhi, that was saved from a great flood. Also Southwest Tanzania in Africa parallels the Biblical account, and of course there's the epic of Gilgamesh. There was a flood! And that's the only way you can explain the " geologic column " those animals were buried rapidly and in muddy water. Wake up.
EnglishSeraph 10 months ago
@EnglishSeraph What is the name of the flood mud layer with all the dead bodies in it? Where did 29,029 feet of water go? The Geologic column has ash layer, corals, chalk and other layers NOT LAID DOWN Rapidly by WATER. Wake UP !
gregrutz 9 months ago
@EnglishSeraph WHAT ABOUT THE FOSSILS IN THE TAR PITS >>>DUMMY !
FLOODS DON'T SORT FOSSILS.
FLOODS DON'T MAKE DIFFERENT KINDS OF ROCK.
FLOODS DON'T MAKE DISTINCT LAYERS
gregrutz 9 months ago
@gregrutz Congratulations on debasing yourself with ad hominem attacks...this will be my last response to such as you. Firstly stratification does make distinct layers watch these thou " seeker of truth " /watch?v=4xEDPK5SkYE ... or don't... whatever. I don't lower myself to your level. Oh and for future reference..... writing in capitals doesn't actually turn the volume up.
EnglishSeraph 9 months ago
@EnglishSeraph That's what stratification was, when I learned geology.
Priesty77 1 month ago
@EnglishSeraph The Coconino Sandstone, the third layer down in the Grand Canyon, is from wind blown, desert sands.
We know this from the fossils in it. There are 44 Distinct layers of DIFFERENT KINDS OF ROCK exposed in the Grand Canyon.
Some are slow growing corals like in the Redwall limestone.
Floods don’t do that.
Not all sedimentary rock is from water! Like ash layers.
gregrutz 9 months ago
@gregrutz The g.canyon fits the true creation perspective, not your evolution nonsense.
And that includes your Coconino Sandstone.. Just ask Glen Visher, Professor of Geology (not a creationist geologist) Whom interpreted the Coconino Sandstone as a submarine sand wave deposit accumulated by WATER, NOT WIND!
I pray your eyes can be opened, and that you can be open to receive the glorious gospel of Christ.
EnglishSeraph 9 months ago
@EnglishSeraph Yup, you are right.
Every fuching thing was caused by water. All the sand is from water. All the coral reefs are form water. the clams on mountain tops are from water. The desert fossils in the Coconino Sandstone lived under water. The whole world is still covered with water.
YOU DUMB SHITS. NOT EVERYTHING IS FROM WATER.
FLOODS DON'T MAKE DISTINCT LAYERS OF DIFFERENT KINDS OR ROCK
READ A GEOLOGY BOOK .>>>>>>>IDiots !!!
gregrutz 9 months ago
@EnglishSeraph The Cliffs of Dover are thousands of feet deep. It was not made in a flood or it would be all over the world.
Planktonic algae does not live in muddy fresh rain water.
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''There is no fossil record, it only exists in the text books.'' OPEN YOU EYES DIP SHIT !
WHAT A DUMB FUCK !! HOW STUPID CAN YOU GET !!!
ASH LAYERS ARE ALL OVER THE EARTH, THEY DID NOT COME FROM A FLOOD.
THE CHINESE HAVE A LONG HISTORY WITH LOTS OF FLOODS, THEY DIDN'T ALL DIE IN ONE.
gregrutz 9 months ago
@RISEUPOLORD *rolls eyes* Sorry to enlighten you pal, but everything in science is theory. It just seems like facts because it's the way you practically apply them when you need to. When they don't work in your model/problem, you have to rethink your theory. Nuclear physics, or physics in general are a nice example here.
Oh the other hand... I don't see much reasoning when religions look so very much like theories themselves.
Nerani 10 months ago
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Spiderwolfcakes 1 year ago
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Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
23 That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity. 24 Yea, they shall not be planted;
Spiderwolfcakes 1 year ago
yea, they shall not be sown: yea, their stock shall not take root in the earth: and he shall also blow upon them, and they shall wither, and the whirlwind shall take them away as stubble.
25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.
26 Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.
Spiderwolfcakes 1 year ago
Darwin proved all humans are equal. Social Darwinists killed people, not scientists.
Some people use Religion to kill people.
gregrutz 1 year ago 2
Darwin was right and repalced LaMarkism.
DNA proves he was right.
And Dawin did not know about mutations and still proved evolution happened.
gregrutz 1 year ago
did you know that less then 40% of Americans actually believe in evolution. That's crazy considering that magazines, text books, movies, news programs and every other type of media and what have you try to cram it down our throats. My theory is that the majority of people have questions that science can't answer because there is no evidence for it and people really aren't stupid enough to beleive in it. This explains why evolutionists get so mad, they have inferiority complexes.
bunkermonkey6 1 year ago
Don't talk about DNA because it proves evolution happened.
The ''origin of variety'' is due to mutations, proven by breeding dogs.
Origin of species comes from Natural Selection.
What is the difference between you and a Chimp? Not much !
gregrutz 1 year ago
'mutations are not good, even the ones that are positive" WTF?!?
He doesn't say much about Darwin's Natural Selection, evolution.
gregrutz 1 year ago
He is as bad at science as Kent and Ken.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz Whats your problem? I've seen your name pop up in a few of Professor Veiths videos...you've been told of his credentials, yet you still act as though you have a world of knowledge over him...
What are your credentials???
I suggest you answer wisely or every comment you've made is as valuable as pond scum
bigspliffs 1 year ago
@bigspliffs anyone who has read a geology book knows more than this 'Professor'
gregrutz 1 year ago
who is this crackpot ,hes cracking jokes left right and center
badslabber 1 year ago
Lamark was 200 years ago.
Darwinism was more scientific ?!?WTF?
Lamarkism? how about Newtonism?
Einstinism?
gregrutz 2 years ago
@gregrutz It's the american way. Putting -ism after words. Religion only knows how to fight and discredit other religion. Thus it needs to pull lines of facts and resulting reasoning with formulates theories which in turn are reviewed and only taken as valid until they are disproved and replaced by something more accurate and practical, down to it's level by claiming a theory to be a religion. Just because it hasn't been disproved in a couple hundred years.
Nerani 10 months ago
personally i would listen to evolutinary biologist concerning evolutionj then a nutrition doctorate
FenriX123 2 years ago
He has a doctorate of Zoology from University of Cape Town...Wiki it Einstein.
WageASPSlaves 2 years ago
How does he know it is just chance,
I didn't hear any reason.
gregrutz 2 years ago
I do believe that "intelligence" is probably involved in both the origins of life and in the process of evolution and diversification of species... but there is NO WAY that I think this "intelligence" is the so-called "God of Abraham".
For one thing, the species are all competitive, opportunistic, and self-serving... and each seems to have its OWN variety of "intelligence".
Bacteria mutate to become resistant to antibiotics, DEADLIER to mammals & more successful. Not accidental, IMO.
HurricaneHeidi 2 years ago
NOT accidental... but NOT the work of some benevolent "creator", either. Also NOT infallible. There are birth defects, and often harmful mutations, like an experiment gone wrong.
No so-called benevolent creator came up with the likes of anopheles mosquitoes, malaria, tsetse flies, ticks, Lyme Disease, flesh-eating bacteria, heart worms, fleas, bubonic plague, swine flu, cancer, brown recluse spiders, tapeworms, senile dementia... and we could go on and on.
Get the point???
HurricaneHeidi 2 years ago
I'll bet you atheists will also deny the fact that the One World Government is on it's way,RIGHT?
CBALLEN 2 years ago
And it is religi-tards like you, CBALLEN, who make a self-fulfilling prophecy out of Armageddon by fomenting religiously motivated warfare, genocide, and destruction all over the world for thousands of years.
Cartoonist Ron Cobb did a brilliant cartoon depicting two advancing armies, headed straight for each other, guns at the ready. Overhead, a common thought balloon: "God is on OUR side!!!"
Mass "Darwin Award" for all religious people ever killed in "Holy" warfare. Out of gene pool, YAY!
HurricaneHeidi 2 years ago
Very good, Heidi.
Can there be ANYthing more stupid
than adults killing one another
over who has the better Imaginary Friend?
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
chance chance chance, blah blah blaaaaah!!!!!
thats all u have to prove evolution?
ha!!!!
pathetic!!!!
NeZySPooF 2 years ago
no, that is all you hear when you plug your ears and put on your god glasses. But that's not enough if you want to raise a truly ignorant family. It also helps to pull your kids out of middle school. Those darn 9th grade bio classes can really convert people to the satanic cult of science.
kyebean 2 years ago
..Dr.Vieth taught evolution for years at the graduate level and was chair of his department. He recieved his PhD in 1979. I think it's a safe thing to say he is well equiped to speak on these topics. If you don't want to believe in God..that's fine, but try and put a little thought into your comments.
vachief 2 years ago
Since only kinds were saved on the Ark probably the flood got em.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
Exactly. The majority of people, even well-educated haven't studied biology, genetics, and evolution enough to truly understand them. It's not difficult for these people to be convinced by the simple, comforting, and easy to understand (yet completely false and dishonest) ideas of creationism.
kyebean 2 years ago
"simple, comforting, and easy to understand (yet completely false and dishonest) ideas of creationism."
This, of course, is precisely the nature and purpose of religion;
to help ignorant humans feel less fear of the dark.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
The Hebrew word ('owph) means "Flight capable animals" so as you can see this would cover more than birds.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
Indeed. I just feel bad for the children and uneducated people that are being exposed to this crap. I mean, people can believe whatever they want, but when they start trying to discredit science with their ignorant, hippocritical, prejudiced BS, something needs to be done. This is the 21st century people we need more education not book burning. At least Kent Hovind is behind bars, that's a start.
kyebean 2 years ago 15
"At least Kent Hovind is behind bars, that's a start."
Excellent point!
Ray Comfort is next!
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
It would actually help if a well learned evolutionist like you could point out the things that are wrong with this presentation, other than labeling it BS etc.
nubian377 2 years ago 15
Most of this presentation is actually pretty decent as far as creationism goes. However most scientists would disagree that genocide is a direct result of darwinian concepts. This is just an attempt to demonize evolution, and has nothing to do with its truth. He seems to be either ignorant of or ignoring the well-documented concept of interbreeding populations (species) and how they merge and diverge. Also he implies that the only way to appreciate variety is if you know that God loves it.
kyebean 2 years ago
@nubian377 ick... if he made any acutal claim... perhaps people could refute it... but his claims make no sense...
bttrflykiss7701 1 year ago
@nubian377 Darwin did not know what a mutation is and still showed how evolution works. This is BS.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@nubian377 OK I know this is a reply to an old comment but....
He starts off wrong by saying evolution happens by chance.
It isn't a chanced based system, and no one has ever thought it was. Fully half of the Origins of Species is devoted to explaining that.
If you know that evolution isn't random chance, then the whole video seems idiotic, since it seems he basis his whole argument on that.
Craigmw45 7 months ago
@Craigmw45 You have to joking, that's exactly what it is. Random chance changes that favour the organism for that particular environment and give it an advantage over the rest.
Priesty77 1 month ago
@Priesty77 "You have to joking, that's exactly what it is"
No I'm not joking, and no it is in no way what so ever, in any conceivable universe a random process. I suggest you do a little more reading on the process. I don't know what you feel is correct, but the favorite strawman of creationists is screaming random chance random chance as loud as they can, trying to convince their ignorant audience evolution is a random process.
Craigmw45 1 month ago
..I guess his PhD..does'nt count.lol He spent years teaching evolution..before he changed his mind.
vachief 2 years ago
I hope you're not talking about Kent Hovind and his PhDumb. If you mean Dr. Veith, he's never been a professor or educator. He's a speaker and author. Sure his PhD counts, I don't know what kind of counting you're doing. If your talking about legitimate doctors of biology that support creationism, you could probably count them on one hand. And how many people believe something, or what their credentials are, doesn't effect its scientific validity.
kyebean 2 years ago
.....Try doing a little checking before you speak...and lay off that bong. lol
vachief 2 years ago
Yeah, you're right, he was a professor, I missed that. Just because I made a mistake doesn't mean I'm a drug addict. At least I admit when I'm wrong unlike any fundamentalist I've ever encountered.
kyebean 2 years ago
..right..
vachief 2 years ago
i have met this guy, he used to be one of those professors who bash Christianity and would dare people to stand up against evolution and defend their religion just to be humiliated but then he found God and he completely changed.
TheJdmpassion 2 years ago
@kyebean
No offense kybean, but trying to educate people like you regarding creation is tantamount to trying to teach a chimpanzee infinitesimal calculus. You are disgrace to this man's credentials. He taught evolution at the tertiary level, and received his doctorate at the University of Cape Town, South Africa. He was a Professor, and has a Ph.D. in Zoology, and he used to "slaughter his students" who believed in Creation. His conversion process is amazing.
Lysimachus78 1 year ago
@Lysimachus78 who are "people like me"? I think I'll manage without being "educated" regarding your twisted fairy tales. How am I a disgrace to Veith's credentials? that doesn't even make sense. I already acknowleged his teaching history, and pointed out that it has little-nothing to do with the validity of his stupid claims. I don't care who he "slaughtered" and for what reason, that also lends no credence to the idiocy of this video.
kyebean 1 year ago
@kye
The video is "idiocy" to u, only because u want it to. Your heart is perverted, & u wish to have no authoritative God ruling your life. That is the crux of the matter. No matter what you think, and no matter what you say. The heart is deceitful, & desperately wicked. Jer 17:9.
Those who r open to the fact that God might exist recognize solid evidence in Veith's presentations. Those who cringe at the thought that there might be a God, such word's as Veith's become "foolishness" to them.
Lysimachus78 1 year ago
@Lysimachus78 I don't cringe at the thought that there might be a god, I laugh. Do you cringe at the thought that the Muslims might have it all right, and your infidel ass is going to be fried in the 'ol hereafter? You just don't want to wear a burka that is the crux of the matter you wicked pervert. You should really right a paper on your amazing discoveries, I hear New Scientist really likes bible references. I'm open to the fact that anything might exist, why don't you tell the solid evidence
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@kyebean
No offense kybean, but trying to educate people like you regarding creation is tantamount to trying to teach a chimpanzee infinitesimal calculus. You are disgrace to this man's credentials. He taught evolution at the tertiary level, and received his doctorate at the University of Cape Town, South Africa. He was a Professor, and has a Ph.D. in Zoology, and he used to "slaughter his students" who believed in Creation. His conversion process is amazing.
Lysimachus78 1 year ago
@kyebean
The reason why you come to your erroneous conclusions is because you don't study. You know what convinced me on Christianity? 15 years of intensive study, with my nose in the books...not just with Evolution vs. Creation, but the prophesies! The majority of the Biblical prophesies have all come to pass, to an exact T! I've compared the Muslim world, they fail! The Catholics created Islam to destroy true Christianity. True Christianity is not what you perceive it to be. They r few.
Lysimachus78 1 year ago
@Lysimachus78 I do study. I'm sure I haven't studied theology as much as you, because the intricate, twisted, asinine details of it are really not what I want to spend my life on. But I have studied enough of it to be confident believing that I have explored all the leading "evidence" for their claims and found it not to be evidence at all. Have any evidence? or do just want to keep making wild claims?
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gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz- U do not know your history. I have before me a massive 4 Vol Set entitled "Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers" by Dr. Froom, a Church Historian. It is 4000 pages of massive exegetical research. The data is unmistakable. Judo-Christianity existed in Asia minor long before Catholicism began. Paul had warned that "man of sin" would arise within the Church. True, genuine Christianity existed before the Papacy, the Antichrist system, came on the scene.
Lysimachus78 1 year ago
(cont.) This is why u atheists need to go back to the drawing board regarding the true origins of Christianity. The fact of the matter is, u guys r totally clueless. I have analyzed & gone over a multitude of records regarding the development of Christianity. The errors of Catholicism is just an excuse for Atheists to hang their doubts on. But this will not make u innocent, just because of the atrocities of Christianity. U will still be held accountable for not seeking that which was genuine.
Lysimachus78 1 year ago
@Lysimachus78 You are right, I don't care about religion, it is all bull shit.
The video is about proving all of science, biology and geology, wrong.
Geology proves the earth is old and there was never a global flood.
U do not know your geologic history
gregrutz 1 year ago
@gregrutz
It doesn't take a rocket scientists, or a Ph.D., to figure out that the oceans we have today make up about 70% of our planet. Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps the other 30% might have been covered by water at one point too? Just looking at the globe from space you can see that the oceans covering the majority of the earth are simply the "left-overs" of the global flood.
Lysimachus78 1 year ago
@Lysimachus78 I am not worried about the ''left-overs''. Where did the other 29,000 feet of water go?
Where is the flood mud layer?
How do you explain the fossils, creationist never look at the fossils.
Why don't we find a bunny fossil with the dinosaur fossils?
160 million years of dinosaur fossils and not one bunny with them.
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@Lysimachus78
I hope one day you will receive a real education.
sihylm0 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 "The basic problem is that NONE of the people who attack evolution
have actually studied it."
Did you actually say that...on a video presented by Professor Veith LMAO
If you are trying to defend evolution, your doing a magnificently bad job...Professor Veith knows more about evolution than anyone commenting here, so how do you back up your comment??
bigspliffs 1 year ago
@bigspliffs "Professor Veith knows more about evolution than anyone commenting here"
Veith is a spokesman for the Christian "Amazing Discoveries."
In other words, he promotes Christianity.
I think it's quite presumptuous to assume
that he knows more than other commenters here,
as you have no knowledge of the education and background
of the various participants.
How do YOU back up YOUR assertion?
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 Excuse me??
bigspliffs 1 year ago
Polonium halos proves that the Earth was never molten and the large amount of helium in rocks prove the Earth is thousands not billions oyo.Since the Earth is young instead of old macro evolution would not have enough time to make all things proving that things were created in the form that they have today.IRREFUTABLE !
CBALLEN 2 years ago
Geologist figured out the earth was old before dating method were invented.
gregrutz 2 years ago
The Earth,universe,man and animals were all made fully formed and functioning,so if you could see everything on the 7 th day,how old would you guess that it was?
CBALLEN 2 years ago
99% of the species who lived on the earth are extinct, how long did that take.
gregrutz 2 years ago
"The Earth,universe,man and animals were all made fully formed and functioning"
According to the Bible.
But then, the Bible says that insects have 4 legs.
And that Bats are birds.
So we need to look for more reliable sources of information.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
The Bible was talking about winged insects like locust that walk on 4 legs,they hop on their back legs.Also when it talks about bats and birds the Hebrew word meant winged creatures.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
"The Bible was talking about winged insects like locust that walk on 4 legs"
But that is not true.
These insects walk on all SIX legs.
Lies are not evidence, Allen.
"when it talks about bats and birds the Hebrew word meant winged creatures."
Prove it from the documents of the era.
Your statements mean nothing without documentation.
That's how it works when rational people have a discussion.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
"Polonium halos proves that the Earth was never molten..."
I love how people try to use science to discredit science.
I suppose you found these polonium halos in your Bible?
Do you even know what they are or what they mean?
Very doubtful.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
..How do you know?
vachief 2 years ago
Science ang God go together perfectly, after all God created all science...
TheJdmpassion 2 years ago
and larry the magnificient junebug goes together perfectly with god because he created god. Can't you see what's wrong with this argument?
kyebean 2 years ago
you mean your perspective
TheJdmpassion 2 years ago
go ahead, tell me what's wrong with my perspective.
kyebean 2 years ago
...It's infected with cannabis....it's written all over you. lol
vachief 2 years ago
ah... the old "you must be a pothead" argument, winning debates everywhere since 1920.
kyebean 2 years ago
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The Bible says the earth is flat.
And that the sun revolves around the earth.
And that humans are made of dirt.
And that snakes, donkeys, and bushes talk.
And that animals appeared AFTER man but BEFORE woman.
I suppose this is a better source of information
than the careful collection and examination of data?
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
"Darwinism lays the foundation for racism".
What an idiot....
paulh82 3 years ago
Aldous Huxley wrote "brave new world" not 1984...other than that good video.
attatawil 3 years ago
bedtime!. long day tomorrow
i declare victory in this comment section and take my leave
Djsouthpaw1987 3 years ago
oh and by the way...
we don't need radiometric dating methods for dating the universe.. only the earth
the universe is proven to be older than 13 billion years with the help of Cosmology and Astronomy.. to deny that is to deny gravity and the constant speed of light
(no.. the speed of light could NOT have been more than it is todayr)
Djsouthpaw1987 3 years ago
Mutations are Mostly neutral.. NOT harmful.
also.. he has a very simplified and misguided understanding of Genes, and tries to pass Speciation of as Minor genetic variation, what a jerk
if you really want to know how genetics work when it comes to evolution.. see DonExodus2 ( he's the only theist, and christian among the youtube anti-creationist crowd)
Djsouthpaw1987 3 years ago
All creationists are idiots. Naylonase evolved by chance in nature and in the lab, under selection. An whole enzyme in just a few decades (in nature). This is just enough proof to show that this guy is a moron :)
Azureim 3 years ago
Creationist dishonesty:
"All mutations are harmful, even the ones that give you sickle cell anemia - they still make you sick, you still get sickle cell anemia."
Equally true: "All men are harmful, even the ones who beat their wives still injure you - you still end up bleeding on the floor."
(The deception is omitting to say that THE MAJORITY who inherit "sickle-cell" genes get increased resistance to malaria - and don't get anemia.)
dunnonuffink 3 years ago
(The deception is omitting to say that THE MAJORITY who inherit "sickle-cell" genes get increased resistance to malaria - and don't get anemia.)>>
Deception is insisting we came from a rock!!
So if I get cancer I wont have to worry about my acne!!
rev2214 3 years ago
Most mutations are neutral!
EVERY creature has lots of mutations!
TomSFox 3 years ago
the first 2-3 minutes he sounded like a "moderate" creationist, but after that.. omg.. what a nutjob ;p
Djsouthpaw1987 3 years ago
he first 2-3 minutes he sounded like a "moderate" creationist, but after that.. omg.. what a nutjob ;p >>
Come off it!
Do you only like to listen to evolutionists who lie to you instead of REAL science?
rev2214 3 years ago
first of all, i'm european... we don't have terms like "darwinist" and "evolutionist".. it sounds the same as "newtonist" or "einsteinian" to me.. ^^
secondly.. no one in europe (except half the muslim population of Turkey) shares your evangelical opinion that.. (let me try this with a redneck mindset..) "God put them bones in the ground to test our faith!"
on second thought.. who cares about fossils. Genetics and biochemistry on the other hand.. you might want to read up on that...jesusfreak
Djsouthpaw1987 3 years ago
You are a european who never heard of darwinism and evolutionist?
You can always google it.
Darwinism: "A theory of biological evolution developed by Charles Darwin "
Evolutionist: "Advocacy of or belief in biological evolution."
Darwinism has become one of the most popular European religions of modern times so I am surprised you have never heard of it?
rev2214 3 years ago
i know what Ben Stein, Pat robertsson and the late jerry fallwell, Ken Ham, VenomFangX, Kent Hovind and others mean by it.. but there are different interpretations
for example.. the semi-crazy Evangelicals "think" evolution includes Abiogenesis ( how life STARTED) and so they call that + the actual theory of evolution = "Evolutionism"
darwinism is used the same way except when reffering to Social Darwinism
Kent Hovind however included Costmology, astrology, Geology, palentology etc etc,
Djsouthpaw1987 3 years ago
Well, I don't think there is any need for any confusion. Just stick with the teachings of Darwin for the theory. All you have to do is hold it up beside the scientific evidence and if you are honestly seeking for the truth the science itself will tell you whether Darwin was right or whether his theory has become a religion.
rev2214 3 years ago
even if "darwinism" ( it's been NEO-darwinism for the last 100 years or so btw ).. wasn't validated independently by multiple fields of science.......
you'd still be stuck with a planet with an age of 4,5 billion years
(inb4 radiometric dating doesn't work because creationist seminars and answersingenesis said so)
Djsouthpaw1987 3 years ago
Radiometric dating cannot be used to determine the age of the earth.
Check this experiment:
Allosaurus bone that was sent to The University of Arizona to be carbon dated. The results were 9,890 +/- 60 years and 16,120 +/- 220 years.
"We didn't tell them that the bones they were dating were dinosaur bones. The result was sample B at 16,120 years. The Allosaurus dinosaur was supposed to be around 140,000,000 years. The samples of bone were blind samples."
This test was done on August 10, 1990
rev2214 3 years ago
"Allosaurus bone that was sent to The University of Arizona to be carbon dated. The results were 9,890 +/- 60 years and 16,120 +/- 220 years. "
carbon dating.. as the name would suggest.. only works if there is CARBON in it.. over time. it gets replaced with MINERALS
there was no Collagen in the Bone!.. but they had a preservative that had ORGANIC material in it.. so the material got dated. not the bone
Mr Miller who sent the samples to be dated. was an idiot..... and so are you
Djsouthpaw1987 3 years ago
Mr Miller who sent the samples to be dated. was an idiot..... and so are you>>
I see! So if the science doesn't agree with you religion all you have to do is make it up as you go along, cool!
rev2214 3 years ago
if you think you are backing up your own religion by calling established science a religion as well.. you are mistaken
and yes, Mr miller was an idiot for allready having been told there was NO collagen in the bone at all.. And you still are an idiot as well
firstly for passing an old Creationist myth around without fact-checking..
and secondly, for ONCE AGAIN failing to fact-check my comments about the requirements for Carbon dating, before accusing me of making stuff up.
Djsouthpaw1987 3 years ago
The fact is that evolutionists failing to find ANY REAL science to support their theory have resorted to just fabrication data.
There is no way any honest person would accept this pseudoscience.
If it is not science then it must be a religion it cannot be both!!
rev2214 3 years ago
Carbon dating only works to Date things that have Carbon 14 in it. and because of it's Short Half-life.. the method isn't effective past 30 thousand years
i don't see the relevance of Carbon dating in measuring the age of the earth
Djsouthpaw1987 3 years ago
well.. you could just stop relying on Conservapedia and Kirk Cameron for your science litteracy and go see DonExodus2 Vids.. i'm sure you will find them informative
Djsouthpaw1987 3 years ago
If you wanted to know the truth about communism who would you ask? Do you think you would go to Joseph Stalin or Karl Marx?
If you wish to know the truth about science would you go to someone preaching pseudoscience? I don't think so. If you wish to know the truth about evolution look for those who are giving you REAL science not RELIGION!
rev2214 3 years ago
the overwhelming consensus is on the side of evolution. and has been since before you were born.. but even so... i would evaluate everything critically.. and i do..
btw i KNOW the truth about communism = it only works in theory
do you believe the world is less than 10 000 years old?....
Djsouthpaw1987 3 years ago
Does the legend at 1:37 honestly say "wikipedia article"/"no wikipedia article"?
2:12 - thank god (:P) RNA came before DNA! (RNA can be used to make proteins by itself. RNA on it's own can keep a cell living: you don't need DNA (it's just more stable) - see bacteria).
3:55 - sickle cell anemia is purely helpful if it's genotypically heterogenous. (one strand saying: give me SCA, the other says: don't) There are other purely beneficial mutations: some women can see UV light.
philip1201 3 years ago
Through loads and loads of neutral mutations: things which are neither good or bad. Most mutations aren't good or bad: every human has thousands of mutations. Every cell has half a dozen mutations in which it's different from others. (One deletion only deactivates one protein, which might not even be neccisary). Many things which are now functional for one thing now could be used differently earlier: magnetic charges (nerve cells) could be used to repel attackers (proteins are negatively charged
philip1201 3 years ago
). Duplication (a part of the genome being copied to another location, but still existing in the old one) happens often, which leads to an increase of genes, which can then mutate without causing negative effects (it's still somewhere else). This was about 6:50.
7:40 The bugs' genes don't change between spring and fall! Which genes are expressed change: hormones determine which. Saying these have different genes is like saying women mutate every month.
philip1201 3 years ago
8:30 Aborigines were discriminated from 1788 up till ~1900. On the origin on species was only published in 1859. Racism existed long before Darwin.
philip1201 3 years ago
9:15 How much genes can you make with DNA? Infinite, but it is always proteins. Pianos makes pianomusic, DNA makes proteins.
There are billions of symphonies of DNA in this world, because there are as many writers as living creatures.
9:35 We can do the same thing without god. Can't you see the world is beatiful as it is? A flower is as beautiful without god as with it.
philip1201 3 years ago
loooooo WOW this "the cat is in the hat" example is priceless, what is the crowd made of? 6 years old? is that happening in a developped, educated country like the US, cause it's seems to be happening in the US.....scary for them......
jahcut 3 years ago
Its twisted. The great brains of our civilization go round and round and round in circles with this over-blown, cleverly-worded tripe.
Some things we can't know here on this level of existence.
What we can know is that some beings on this planet are being hacked to pieces by machete in Darfur, that dogs are skinned alive in China, and that dispensing carbon into our atmosphere is changing the Earth.
It is easier to sit on our arses seeking out debates and mysteries. Surreal.
slh950 4 years ago
Right, living organisms adapting, changing, and evolving to survive better in the environment could never happen. BUT there is an invisable man who lives in the sky, who will do awful things to you if you don't believe or worship him BUT he loves you. Yeah okay.
21stonedsoldiers 4 years ago
"GOD" is not an invisable as you say...you because you can't see him doesn't mean he is not there...AND HE WONT do awful things to you if you don't worship Him, thats what a loving creator does...He gives you the choice to believe in Him or not...That must be a cold and lonley world you live in...I surely hope that you do more surching of your own...with an open mind...Godbless
chevelle68man2007 4 years ago
"GOD" is not an invisable as you say...you because you can't see him ..."
Way to go contradicting yourself there!
"HE WONT do awful things to you if you don't worship Him"
He send you to hell for eternity. I think that's pretty awful.
"He gives you the choice..."
Are you suggesting god cannot predict his own creation?
".with an open mind"
Yours is so open your brain fell out.
askegg 3 years ago
Which way are you supposed to be arguing here?
Scarface1034 3 years ago
I am on the side of reason and logic.
askegg 3 years ago
You might want to reconsider what you think reason and logic is. Based on your own comments it would appear that your reason and logic is something only you would consider as such.
Scarface1034 3 years ago
What makes you say that?
askegg 3 years ago
Well, the problem comes in when commenting about God's character. Did you know that the popular idea and teachings of hell isn't even biblical? That and the idea of free will does not have anything to do with what God predicting anything. Forgive me if I seem insulting at all as that is not my goal.
Scarface1034 3 years ago
A lot of the crap Christians on about is not strictly biblical, but that does not seem to stop many.
While it is true the bible mainly speak of being discarded into the fire (to be consumed), the most popular notion nowadays includes ever lasting pain.
Free will and omniscience are incompatible notions, for if god did now everything we could not have free will (as he would know the results of giving it to us).
I am not insulted by my arguments being attacked - I am not them.
askegg 3 years ago
Well put, but I must disagree with the thoughts of free and will in conjunction with omniscience. God can do all things and this applies to knowing everything, all the way down to exactly what we are going to do and say throughout our entire life. This does not mean we don't have free will. God knows what you will have to eat tomorrow. Does that mean you have no choice about what to eat? Obviously no, just that He knows what its going to be.
Scarface1034 3 years ago
An all knowing god would know the choices we make. He would even know if we are going to change our minds at the last moment. He would know why and what final "decision" we would make. Knowing what our choice is going to be is tantamount to predetermining it. After all, we are told god created everything with a plan in mind, but what kind of plan could it be if anyone with free will can come along and muck it up?
askegg 3 years ago
Believe me, I understand your position, but you haven't yet seen my point. The idea that God knows even your final decisions is NOT tantamount to predetermining it. There's the disagreement. Realize that it's not possible for us to fully understand how that works, but rather have faith that God knows what He's doing and that He can do it well.
Scarface1034 3 years ago
"The idea that God knows even your final decisions is NOT tantamount to predetermining it"
Is god working to a plan? Are our "decisions" part of this plan? Seems pretty clear cut to me.
Your basic point is - "Because it makes no sense it must be beyond our understanding. If it's beyond our understanding - it must be god." This is equivalent to saying "Every time my head hurts - that's god."
askegg 3 years ago
Your reasoning seems on par with a copout. Is it not possible to accept that there are things you can't understand? Or do you insist you have to know everything about everything? A headache is a piss poor example to use, anyway. God's plan is to allow us to make our own decisions. What is so hard to understand about that?
Scarface1034 3 years ago
There is much I do not understand, but I don't attribute that to God. What if you knew everything about everything only to discover there is no god?
If there is an all knowing god who designed everything with an ultimate goal in mind and included "free will" an an ingredient, then its consequences must be part of the ultimate purpose (although why an all powerful god needs to go through these motions is unclear).
It's really simple - all knowing MEANS all knowing.
askegg 3 years ago
I'm not debating that. I'm well aware that all knowing means all knowing. Since we are not all knowing beings it would make sense that we don't understand everything about God's plan. Again, why is this so difficult?
Scarface1034 3 years ago
We don't need to know everything about god plan to know that is a silly idea and completely illogical.
Again, you are saying "it doesn't make sense, therefore it must because we don't understand enough of it". Of course, it is also possible that it doesn't make sense because the whole idea is ridiculous.
askegg 3 years ago
So you refuse to accept it because you can't understand it? How can you expect to completely understand God's plan being omnipotent like He is?
"We don't need to know everything about god plan to know that is a silly idea and completely illogical."
And yet many things you say and think every day could be considered silly and illogical, yet you think it's perfectly reasonable. So you think that because you can't understand it, it must be ridiculous. Sorry, but that sounds egotistical.
Scarface1034 3 years ago
"And yet many things you say and think every day could be considered silly and illogical, yet you think it's perfectly reasonable."
It is possible, but I try to keep those instances to a minimum.
"So you think that because you can't understand it, it must be ridiculous."
That's not what I said at all. You made the assumption that one must first know all there is to know about a particular argument before you can dismiss it. This is patently false.
askegg 3 years ago
Then what is your argument? Right now you seem to be talking in circles.
Scarface1034 3 years ago
Gah!
Simple - a deity creating everything with full knowledge of the final outcome MUST include the actions of those who believe they have free will.
That is my argument and it is SO SIMPLE you seem to miss it. This is the last time I will post here.
askegg 3 years ago
So because He knows about it you believe they don't have free will. Interesting observation, but you keep forgetting to take into account the God is ALL KNOWING and will know how to allow us free will while knowing what decisions we will make. Stop assuming you have to understand EVERYTHING in order to believe. I will not post here again either. Good luck and God bless.
Scarface1034 3 years ago 3
This Man is Awesome and His messages are profound. This is the TIME when we might hear, for there is a time coming when no one will want hear. They will put their fingers in their ears and scream, so they can't hear the truth. Thank God we can still listen, understand and make a choice with our own minds and hearts. Selah.
vikkilynn1 4 years ago
Amen to that!!
chevelle68man2007 4 years ago
He's leaving out the other ways of mutation purposely, cause that's where his 'missing genes' come from.
Nerani 4 years ago