The Virgin Mary - Worshiping Her Is Not Holy - Part 2

[MrGavinArvizo]

keep deleting. You only prove to yourself more how much you refuse to seek truth. And remained blind to the confines of what you believe to be true.

[MrGavinArvizo]

Rather than seeking an objective universal truth, that follows the tool of logic and reason that God has given us, You choose to remain ignorant by only choosing to believe what you think to be true, rather than seeking truth

No Catholics worship Mary. No Catholic believes that Mary is our savior.

The late Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said, "There are not even 100 people in this country who hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they think the Catholic Church to be."

[MrGavinArvizo]

There is complex logic at work here that I do not believe that simple minded people can understand. For example. If Eve is the mother of all of us in the fallen world. We are the Children of Mary in the New world. Jesus Christ made the World new again. Jesus Christ came as the son of Mary. And since we rise in Christ....REBORN....we are reborn with a new mother. Since Mary is the Mother of Jesus Christ, and we rise new in Christ, Mary is also our mother.

[MrGavinArvizo]

You take simple words like co-redemtrix and run off with what you think that means rather than actually finding out what that means.

[MrGavinArvizo]

the fact that you delete posts shows that you do not seek truth. But only what you think the truth is. Look at the official teaching of the Church rather than assuming what you believe to be true about the Catholic Church is true.

No Catholic worships Mary. No Catholic believes that Mary saves us.

[MrGavinArvizo]

hahaha

[MrGavinArvizo]

No Catholic worships Mary. No Catholic believes that Mary saved us.

[xXxCOV3RTxXx]

The apperances of Mary is nothing but Satan disguesed as Mary. Mary is still resting in the grave awaiting the day of resurrection. When the dead in Christ will be risen from the graves and called up to him. Ever one of the so called Mary visitations messages contridict the bible just as the video shows. It is all lies from the serpent. if you follow these teachings REPENT and worship God through his son Jesus for Jesus is the ONLY WAY, TRUTH and LIFE. NOT MARY

[Stinger4186]

Ren: Peter went to Rome from Antioch to oversee the Church. This isn't in scripture. Doesn't "need" to! There's but 1 Church! The reason it stayed in Rome as The Church's seat is that successive Bishops made the decision to keep it there due to the martyrdoms of Paul & Peter in Rome under Nero; they were 1st main pillars of the early Church

[RendezvousEntity]

@Stinger4186 If it doesn't have any proof, why should I put my trust into it? Besides just sounding good, unfortunately, it remains invalid to me. You may say their has been this one church that had been around since forever, though their is no proof why this is the same church that followed up from the roots of Jesus's, and not some wrong turn of Romaism Christian mixtures.

[Stinger4186]

@Rend:

U get a lot of this simpleton "Romanism" by people who hate The Church. Were it not for the Church, no one would even have a Bible! The only reason the Church is in Rome is due to the martyrdoms of Paul & Peter there, 64 & 67AD resp.. the successove Bishops of the Church decided to keep the seat of the Church in Rome do to their martyrdoms there under Nero. In 2 of Peter's non-biblical epistles, he wrote "Katholikos" to describe the Church. It's Greek for universal, whole, complete

[RendezvousEntity]

@Stinger4186 Suspiciously many of the development of this church started to shape into that type of figure. While Christianity and Roman leaders started to get a little more together, it seemed Rome didn't really help the church, but mixed and changed the course it started to take, you may find in several of the traditions of the variation of the church that grew increasingly maybe because of that fusion, like Queen of Heaven, Statues, celebrations, "sun" related Jesus?

[RendezvousEntity]

@Stinger4186 I'm not really concerned about those minor customs of the church using Catholic to call themselves, I'm talking about more solid changes.

[candy25love4ever]

@Stinger4186 Do u not get it or what ? the early churches dont matter anymore , people today are evil and have changed the church in rome , cathlic teachings are evil . Paul and peter arent on the earth anymore ,they were good and taught the rightway , the pagans changed all that . freemasons souled there souls to lucifer , the freemasons taught a wrong trinity to deceive you all . you repeat yourself on every paige and still i haven't heard one good anwer yet . Seek Jesus . not mary .

[candy25love4ever]

@Stinger4186 Do u not get it or what ? the early churches dont matter anymore , people today are evil and have changed the church in rome , cathlic teachings are evil . Paul and peter arent on the earth anymore ,they were good and taught the rightway , the pagans changed all that . freemasons souled there souls to lucifer , the freemasons taught a wrong trinity to deceive you all . you repeat yourself on every paige and still i haven't heard one good anwer yet . Seek Jesus . not mary ..........

[1brandwag]

Catholic ask mary to pray for them, yet how can you ask a person who is already dead for favours unless they have supernatural powers.However when you read the "favours" you often find her beign a mediator,protector etc. sound much like Ishtar who was a goddess that also had a mediating role with the higher sun god.However the one true God send his Son Jesus Christ(also God) to be mediator and become incarnated,thus we can pray to him,but only cause he was always God from the beginning.

[1954phyllis]

Mary co-redeemer, what a crock. Jesus suffered and died and paid for my sin debt, not Mary. Jesus is my Saviour not Mary.

[1954phyllis]

Mary co-redeemer, what a crock.

[Stinger4186]

@1954

Ur assembly isnt even THE CHURCH. U belong to an assembly of "private" interpretive beliefs. Jesus is the sole redeemer, but He couldnt have done it without Mary's "YES" to God. She cooperated with God to bring Jesus to the world, thus Jesus came into the world FOR US. This is the only reason she is the co-redemptrix.

U call it a lot of crock, yet, the assembly you belong to ISNT EVEN "THE CHURCH" OF THE BIBLE! you belong to an "assembly", not "THE CHURCH". You "think" you are tho

[TheUncannie]

It is all about the Illuminati and the new age 2012!

[darkwinter76]

everyone, we all most likely have something in common, loved ones or friends that are Catholic that havent seen the truth like we have. Please share these truths with them in a loving matter. I am the only non Catholic in my family after my eyes were opened. We need to lead our loved ones away from this.

[archangel703]

@darkwinter76 If you believe Catholics worship Mary you are wrong. The Catholic church agrees with the topic. Worshiping Mary is forbidden and not Holy. So tell me. What truth is it that you have that Catholics are unaware of?

[darkwinter76]

@archangel703 the truth that catholics do not believe is that we are saved by faith alone and not of ourselves, by our works for they are as filthy rags.

[archangel703]

@darkwinter76 Catholics believe that we are saved by God's grace alone. In that Grace our Faith and works in Christ is how we achieve salvation. We cannot do it on our own. Where does the bible teach "Faith alone"? The only time the phrase "Faith alone" appears in it the words "Not by" are right in front of it. In James 2:24: “You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.” Where does the bible say our works in Christ are filthy rags? sounds like an unbiblical tradition to me.

[Stinger4186]

@darkwinter:

LOL! Your assembly that u belong to now, guess what? THAT'S NOT "THE CHURCH" OF THE BIBLE! Are u a scholar? an exegete? a PhD in Theology? Do u understand the Bible & from its origins began? Do u even have a friggin CLUE when it was COMPILED & WHO RATIFIED IT? --> NO, you dont! Do u even have a clue that all of the hagiographers (writers) of the NT were all BISHOPS of the CHURCH except Luke? Do u even KNOW that the pope is a BISHOP & successor to Peter? U people are simpletons

[DawnJacquelyn]

If we were to pay such an abundance of homage to Mary, Jesus would have spoken at length about this. He never said one word about her having any special "powers".

[uruguayo210]

THE "VIRGIN MARY" IS THE DEVIL TRICKING PEOPLE.........THERE WILL BE WOLVED DRESSED AS SHEEPS AND FALSE PROPHETS......BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD!!!!!!

[1951saulE]

When someone takes its time to convey the truth, people don't believe.  Even when Jesus spoke, people didn't believe. Many just read certain parts of the Bible only. Some just listen to their religious leaders and don't know that they are being mislead. ...................>>>>

[1951saulE]

(Continued)..God is specific in the Old Testament that he is jealous and tells us not to idol other images or Gods. I see the example of Cuba with their virgin Santa Barbara, Mexico with their Virgin Guadalupe and other Latin American countries who worship the virgin. They are countries in trouble. There is only one God, and Jesus is our only way.

[Hohenstaufen09]

dave:

Mary isnt "worshipped". She wouldnt even tolerate being worshipped. Worship is for God alone. Mary is honored for her "yes" to God & being to sole person to ever have the title as the mother of Jesus Christ. Not just any woman has that title. Also, Jesus performed His 1st miracle at her request. Jesus said to John, "Son behold you MOTHER" -What's that mean? What does Jesus mean when He says in Rev 2:28 "I will send them the Morning Star"

WHO or what is the Morning Star? What's Rev22:16?

[RendezvousEntity]

@Hohenstaufen09 That's no more precise enough than clearly how it explains that Mary was only womb vessel to Jesus reborn not as an angel but in human flesh. How can you even think that Mary is Queen of heaven, whereas doesn't even hungry the need. Are you using common sense or superstition on this down to earth..clear...simple as possible...statement of your bible source.

[Stinger4186]

@Ren:

I see ur post to hohen. If The Church calls Mary "The Queen of Heaven", again Jesus said "He who hears YOU hears ME". This is til the end of time. The apost's were the 1st BISHOPS of the Church. In fact none of the apostles & Paul had a Bible. They preached the gospel from their authority given them by Jesus. Things dont "have" to be in the Bible to be valid. Sacred Tradition is ALSO the word of God. This is the "spoken" word; it's HOW they preached the gosp back then. 2Thes2:15, 1Cor11:2

[RendezvousEntity]

@Stinger4186 When does Jesus say He who hears you hear me especially refer to the end of time?

[Stinger4186]

@Ren:

When does Jesus say He who hears you hear me especially refer to the end of time?

--Because Paul says in his epistle "be obedient to the doctrines & traditions we tell u whether orally or by letter" 2Thes2:15, 3:6.. You have to know that the word "tradition" here is not "human" tradition, RATHER, it's the SPOKEN WORD. Paul wrote his epistles in Greek, except for Romans. That was Latin. The Greek word Paul used for "tradition" was "Parathisos".

He had no "written" gospel! Gal1:11-12

[RendezvousEntity]

@Stinger4186 The bible may not be the same "spoken" words of the original, but it's still remained as the recording. Those apostles don't even exist anymore, it's not like we're supposed to visit their grave to repeat the gospel.

[RendezvousEntity]

@Hohenstaufen09 Okay for one Mary isn't worshiped is correct, but it's also wrong to think that Jesus should be worshiped through Mary, and IT'S INTOLERABLY WRONG!!...To think Jesus should hold his father's direct worship as almighty god in the first place, for it is Jesus who holds being godly worshiped through, to his father which is thee god. The main idea of Jesus's statement about Worship, was that if so, people would worship God through Jesus. Yes, Mary is out of the picture now, oh boy.

[Stinger4186]

@Rendezvous

I see ur post to Hohen from several mths ago here. Mary is everyone's spiritual mother whether they know it or not. JESUS even said "Son behold your mother, mother behold ur son"..

Mary certainly is honored for being the mother of Christ, but I know of NO person who "worships" her. She wouldnt even tolerate being worshipped! She's "HONORED", just as Gabriel honored her when he greeted her and said "HAIL, MARY!"

No one in the bible has ever been greeted with "Hail" --> HONOR

[RendezvousEntity]

@Stinger4186 God put Jesus in Mary, Mary didn't make Jesus to start off, Jesus doesn't have any genetic relation to his his mother. And when Jesus says to behold our mothers, how can you say Mary is our spiritual "mother", where everyone is our spiritual mother(s) Jesus doesn't want everyone to honor his mother like that, he simple wants us to respect our own mothers as parents. The problem with that, and what some churches do with Mary is they go to a higher extend of viewing Jesus's mother

[Stinger4186]

@Ren:

You have to see something though.. The CHURCH already IS Jesus' Body on earth, and no, NOT all Christian assemblies comprise THE CHURCH like people think! The CHURCH holds all infallible teachings from God. What has happened in the last few hundred yrs is people have "made up" their own private exegesis of the Bible. People dont see that THE BIBLE is not the "authority", The CHURCH is the authority because THE CHURCH already "is" Jesus Body & voice to the world. Whatever is taught, "IS"

[Stinger4186]

PS: When I state that the Bible is not the "authority", you have thousands of assemblies that "interpret" the bIble DIFFERENTLY! For this reason, the Bible is not the "authority". Similarly, I cannot tell the Supreme Court how to interpret the laws. THE CHURCH gives us UNerring exegesis of the Bible, not just any assembly that was begun in the last few hundred yrs since Luther! See yet? Jesus told His apostles, the 1st Bishops of THE CHURCH, "He who hears YOU hears ME" --> Infallible teaching!

[RendezvousEntity]

@Stinger4186 I don't understand why Jesus is the literal body that would still "effects" us. Yes the church "represents" Jesus's authority, but in reality, we are it's voice, and whatever taught is, but all in "our" hands now. Yes your right, the last few 6 hundred years people made made up their own private exegesis, and forced it on people till it was natural of Christians, then a few years after, people got tired of this nonsense, and tried to see what was going on, and do something about it.

[Stinger4186]

@Ren:

This is not something that is a "Catholic" thing, rather a Christian dogma as a whole. There is no other Church that is the "fullness" of the Christian faith! There is but ONE CHURCH. Jesus told His apostles, "He who hears YOU hears Me", this is for ALL TIME, not for just back then. The Church has The Magisterium. This is made up of Bishops who are scholars & exegetes. This office of Bishop has been around for 2K yrs & grew over the centuries. The pope is the successor to Peter & BISHOP

[Stinger4186]

contd:

u can find the office of Bishop in the bIble in 1Tim3; Tit1:7; 1Pt2:25

Elders back then were the Bishops & priests. Paul spoke of the episcopoi (BIshops) & presbyteroi (priests). Did you know that all the hagiographers (writers) of the NT were ALL BISHOPS OF THE CHURCH with the exception of Luke? That's correct! All of em, including Philemon, Linus (2Tim4:21) & Clement (Phil4:3). Linus succeeded Peter, Anacletus succeeded Linus, And Clement succeeded Anacletus. Benedikt is #265 as pope

[RendezvousEntity]

@Stinger4186 Where Bible does not say that Linus was a pope or a Bishop?

[Stinger4186]

@Ren:

Where in the Bible does it say that Mark was the BIshop of Alexandria? Where in the Bible does it say that as Peter was on his way from Antioch to Rome that Mark accompanied him and that Mark recorded Peter's sermons, and FROM THEM, the book of Mark was written? Where is it written that in Mark went to Alexandria to be the Bishop of the Church there?

If the NT wasnt even written at the time of the apostles & Paul, yet they "preach the gospel" how can they actually "preach the gospel"?

[RendezvousEntity]

@Stinger4186 The bible was the recording of the gospel, of course it was spoken at the time, the reason why we actually use the bible as support is it being the "recording".

[Stinger4186]

@Rend:

The gospel that the apostles preached was Sacred Tradition, or, the spoken word of God. 2Thes2:15; 2Cor3:3; 1Cor11:2, 23, 15:3

The epistles were written betw 50-59AD. The 1st "written" gospel didnt BEGIN until 61 AD, and last was finished c. 84AD. Paul had already been dead 20 yrs by the time the last one was complete and Peter was dead about 17 yrs by the time the last one was completed. The Church was begun before the NT was ever written. The NT writers were ALL BISHOPS except Luke

[Stinger4186]

@Ren:

"Not all that Jesus DID got recorded" - last verse of John

in Gal 1:9, Paul says not to listen to "other gospels out there" except the gospel that THEY give them", Why? If there was a gospel of Jesus Christ out there, and "other people" preaching a gospel but there was NO "WRITTEN" gospel at the timeline of this particular epistle, then HOW can Paul tell other people "DONT listen to any other gospel out there"..? What kind of clout does Paul have to tell people this? Also 2Cor10:8

[RendezvousEntity]

@Stinger4186 If we can't trust what's been written since it's been spoken, then what else is their to believe in, obviously other men are no different.

[RendezvousEntity]

@Stinger4186 How do we know we're talking about the same church that Jesus sought to continue? a lot of contradictory things sure had arrived, and they surely didn't exactly come from the original tradition. Around the first centuries while Jesus was gone, it seemed the church was a little controlled by the Roman empire, and I believe that's when things started to change which is sort of suspicious. Instead of keeping it's own lead, "Romanism" broke in and became a part of it.

[1954phyllis]

@RendezvousEntity Mary is not to be worshipped. Yes she is blessed among women but Jesus is not to be worshipped throgh her. Jesus is God the Son, therefore He is God.

[RendezvousEntity]

@1954phyllis So since Jesus is not worshiped through Mary, Jesus is god? I though God was supposed to be worshiped through Jesus, In worship I'm taking Mary out of the factors because she only played a minor role to host this event of Jesus being reborn with flesh.

[1954phyllis]

@RendezvousEntity You don't seem to understand the fact that Jesus is God the Son. He was Emmauel, God with us. We are to pray to God the Father in the name of Jesus. To put Mary on a pedestal is to make her an idol which is wrong.

[RendezvousEntity]

@1954phyllis God the son, as in god's son right? how can Jesus be god and the son at the same time? you can keep adding the word fact to what you think I don't understand, but as much Jesus being god doesn't make any sense at all. Praying or recognizing god through Jesus still doesn't sound like Jesus is god to being with, but nothing more than the son begotten by his father, that's all.

[1954phyllis]

@RendezvousEntity Let me explain it to you once again. Jesus is God the Son. There is God the Father, God the Son(Jesus), and God the Holy Ghost. You are greatly mistaken when you say that Jesus is not God. It is very clear to me that you are an antichrist, because you have rejected Jesus.

[RendezvousEntity]

@1954phyllis That's unfair, because the bible tells us Jesus is the son, theres no way a son can be a father of himself. How much sense does that make to you. Why do we have to look at them as Son and father to each other, when the bible says Jesus is the son, and his father is his father? I'm not rejecting Jesus, your the one making foreign ideas, and you've already started by rejecting Jesus is the son, because you say he's the already father, can you educate me how he "can" be both?

[RendezvousEntity]

@RendezvousEntity It doesn't occur to me that I have to translate my view no more Jesus than what he already is called, to be an anti Christ, because everyone who believes the bible as it is (no more), is automatically an anti Christ for not having some "other" idea. I may be an anti Christ to you, but "LORD" knows how unfair it is being one to him, so I don't take myself as an anti Christ unless you can actually convince me who Jesus is, instead of just telling me what to do.

[Stinger4186]

@RendezvousEntity

I saw ur post to 1954Phyllis. If you read in Genesis 1:26, God said: "Let 'US' make man in 'OUR' image, after 'OUR' likeness.."

Now, HOW or WHY would God use PLURAL usage "us" & "our" regarding His likeness & image? That would imply that there must be more than one person to make up who GOD is. One God in 3 distinct persons. The Father is not the Son & The Son isnt the Father. The Holy Sp isnt the Father nor the Son, & The Father & the Son arent the Holy Spirit

[RendezvousEntity]

@Stinger4186 So why aren't we god to? if Jesus was god's image, and we're in god's image as well, then aren't we god as well?

[RendezvousEntity]

@Hohenstaufen09 It'd be wise to just stop this contraction for your ignorance to common sense, though it'd be the best efforts to please god by continuing to contradict/preach to this unholy society of yours. I won't common if unnecessary but if you honestly have the nerve to step up after all of this, then I'll be seeing you when we meet again. Oh and thanks for interrupting my homework xD, Well I still got a few more hours :3

[Itsfaith33]

whats the song called at the end of the video?