Nice electrolytic cell. However, its not the gaps, nor the voltage/amps. Go back to the hardware store, and buy nickel plated light switch covers. Then replace all your Cathodes with the nickel parts, and watch the water come alive. using the same type electrodes is like trying to force dead AA batteries to drive an RC car. if it works, you wont be happy with the results.
I tried different steps to produce more gas, but over time, the plates become tarnished and wear away, I replaced the hydrogen side (- pole) plates with lead, it worked best and still produced and lasted longer. Lead gets dark, but hydrogen still is produced since in is smaller molecule, I still had to clean or replace positive plates.
volts = charge distance / energy area. Adding them 1/c = 1/c + 1c., "DC batteries", allows for one discreetly powerful runaway blast. Electrons accelerate at 10^15 m/s. How to wrap them isn't as hard in some cases, but closeness for "distance" means you would evaporate/melt the insulator where water would go. So, you could cut strips of aluminum foil 25ft and roll them all around teflon and it would keep it shape. Really cheap. But it would keep better with spray.
that little bit of hydrogen your talking about it only take a very small amount to exsploid your area is filling with hydrogen in your work area, be careful make sure your hot water heaters not a open gas flame have you ever seen hydorgen just a drop exsploud its not pritty i had a nickel cadeum battery breath on me once it sucked in air with mosture in it caused hydrogen gas and exsploided almost tore my arm off, the caseing went though a 2x4 in the wall and put a hole in my celling becareful
I realize this is a pretty old vid. But I thought I might point out a slight error in your second design.
When you have your cath, connected to the top of the first plate, (in series) it should exit at the bottom and enter the bottom of the anode. Continue up the anode and exit the anode and enter the cathode at the top. A zig zag schematic if you willl.
@frithwks HI. I wanted to know if yo were considering the fact that when your cells are getting that hot you are surely producing water vaper along with the hho . I think you new design probably produces as much hho with out any water vapor. I think you are on the right track. maybe a larger generator . I think it is brilliant that youare using the extra heat reducing plates.
you want the + and - plates to be accessable to one another, the whole point is to exchange electrons between the two terminals.. only use small inulators to space your terminals apart :) great lookin cells tho xD
I signed up just to comment onthis particular video...
I myself am trying to run an engine to run on HHO. Here is another of the problems you are showing...
The current travels from your first plate straight to the last plate (water is a conductor, specially with wathever your electrolite is) Build "walls" around the plates to contain the water ONLY between the plates, not around them. It wont get MUCH better, just helping your isues out here...
when you jump the current from one cell to the next, try passing it through from top to bottom instead of jumping acrost the top the whole time,this will force the current to travel through the cell plates before it can reach the next one... remember electricty will find the least path of resistance
Nice design, you certainly do good work. Great video, even if it didnt turn out as planned. I am workin on my first design and its great to see some trial and error. Im gonna try with perferated material aswell as 24g sheet.
You at some of my design, I dont care if you take ideas or designs and use them.... or check out HHO4ALL channel he got some great cells too.... get away form the plates, unless you plan on making a drycell.
at 12v you will actually get massive leakage. thats what is causing all the heating problem. neutrals are the key to controlling your heat. but in a series cell at 2.5v you do want to go +-+-+- like you said.
i made this video quite awhile ago. i have learned a ton and im designing my own cell now. you are on the right track when you say 5 separate cells will pull more amps. but you will never see the type of efficiency of a dry cell for this reason. a major part of the energy that goes into the cell is escaping from the edges of the plates instead of going through the plates. dry cell design is superior design. thx for posting
I am dealing with the same issues you had with this cell. My design is -NNNNN+NNNNN- and its wrapped with rubber and I get a bit more production at 2amps and 12v but still not enough to help anything. Smacks claims having the pairs of neutral plates together can help. Good luck with your cells.
My production at 12v was not impressive, slightly more than this vid shows. But at 14v it's better and combined with the higher amp load from the alternator I think it would improve and run hotter. So I'm just going to try it as is and see what happens with it on an engine. But I will drop to 5 gaps if it doesn't improve. Thanks
yes your production will go up because you have increased the voltage between each gap. try to keep it below 3 volts and above 2.5v between plate gaps for the best production to efficiency.
First, look at the spacing between your plates. Second, increasing the voltage is only going to increase the heat made while at the same time, reducing the amperage. Your cell will only draw the current it needs. Third, I have a cell running that is 1" dia and about 2-3" long that is making more gas (per size comparison) than your unit on 1 amp. The next one will go in my car.
Ya i think you need more water / a bigger housing. Water cools units. Or less electrolyte but of course less electrolyte means less amps and less production. You also need more amps to produce more hydro. Hook it up to a 12 volt car batt which will push more amps. keep it in alot of water. Its not the volts its the amps. I run 2 8 plate cells 20 amps each. 1.5 liters of hydro permin. Kinda brute force but waiting for the water splitter.
True HHO production is a function of current. Illusion of brute force high temp electrolysis is because hot gases occupy more volume, so appears more gas is HHO made. It's not. Ideally, you need about 2volts across each cell to be efficient. Any higher voltage generates waste heat. Sid Young's brick unit is the best garage design I've found myself. The majority of folks have crappy design w/ too much voltage. They are water vapor generators, with only like 100ml of real HHO per min.
Delvis, you are obviously very good on the bench. A series cell works by transfering through the water alone there is no need to block this transfer. do not wire the plates together - add some lye sodium hydroxide for electric conduction for production or potassium hydroxide if you can find it. your number of plates is about right depending on how hot you make the mixture. VERY LITTLE GOES A REAL LONG WAY. Start with a 1/6 teaspoon to about a half gallon of water.
That is not in series. You almost got it but when you put it in a bucket of water the electricity can travel however it wants. What you should do is have individual cells of water in series seperated in stainless. not wire them in series. The water is the resistor and the plates are the conductors. Take a look at a car battery with 10 cells in series and notice that each cell has its own container of acid seperated from the others. Get what I am saying.
I opened up the bad battery from my standby generator for the house and it had 6 cells seperated by partions for each cell, each producing 2 volts. There was a lead plate then another plate inside a rubber envelope, 4 in each cell. Hope that helps, keep up all the good work guys. I am just getting the hang of this HHO stuff. Thank you for all the information.
Lose any plastic or insulator between plates. Don't worry about the meter... the proof is in the production. Certain plate configurations are better than others and react differently. good luck, be safe.
can you cool it with a pump and radator so it sucks the fuld at the bottom and push the fulds back in at the top. to keep it cool and put a fan at the radator so the fulds stay cooler so do the plates?
First though for you is get a real meter ! These type of tlittle pieces of junk from China are usually off a volt or two ! OH, remove plastic plates and increase gap between pairs
just a thouht , you seem to have half of your plates blocked off , one side is open the other half is blocked by the insulators open the top and bottom of the insulators .
How big was the container that you said got too hot and started leaking? It looks like it is pretty small. That is probably the reason for the heat problem, or the plastic is too soft.
Have you tried making a housing out of CPVC? Or even PVC? those plastics are fairly hard, takes some practice to get a good seal on them though.
I really like that first plate design you used, am really enjoying all you guys showing what your doing. Keeps everyone from making the same mistakes over and over.
thanks for reply,, heck now i went back to 2 plates and really kicking gas on tap water and soda so much gas that i wonder why people use so many plates is because of heat? more is less heat?
if you were to measure the gas output of two plates compared to say 10 plates you would see a big difference. 10 plate cell will produce much more and stay cooler and draw alot less current. it may look like alot but it isn't much.
ya i have 4 plate cell just started and blew my hand off connected somewhere dang not sure where feel like idiot lol that cant get right connection neg /pos for 4 plates got all parts all good cant make it work without burned hand help friends
thanks. have you done this? so if i do a 3/4 x 6 inch tube in 1 inch pvc with a 1/2 anode X 7 would i get the results your saying? thx for the comment
havent worked wwith tubes so i cant really answer that. Yes i have done what i am saying, i used a pvc conduit box with acrylic inserts to make the separations.
the plates were ss wall plates from home depot
you can run up to around 30 amps with the six plates with no heat problems
and i use distilled water and naoh from lowes
also condition your plates by using 36 grit sand paper and sanding a cross pattern on the plates
each separate section will have about 2 volts when running in car
..maybe try something simple : +-+- 4 s.s.plates.1/16" clearance. No touching.(Test) very simple! Or you could start with only +- 2 s.s.plates and produce a lot of gas . Or maybe 2 s.s.washers?
Try 1 tblspn. arm/hammer in 1 gal.water. Don't worry about brown water. Brown=HHO.I like brown water 'cause it's giving me over 36 mpg!
The idea is to break it back down to fundamentals and determine the problem.
Delvis... It looks to me that there is too much mass in close proximity within such a small space? Is the cell constructed using only S.S.? Just an observation. Try a smaller cell in a somewhat larger space? See the vid. "HHo Ecogreen". Hope this helps.
well the concept of the cell is the same as d3apoo1's 6 cells, only much smaller. Basically what you are trying to do is make multiple parallel cells and then wire them in series. This works well, but each parallel cell must be in its own container to prevent voltage leakage, The best cell design is ssc, sidyound, and d3's dry cell(but don't use inconel like d3 did for his test). But your on the right track, but the wall plates are for learning, not production, Time to step up:)
Shrink wrap the connections between the units. need more complete isolation between each distinct pair. Do best you can to make each of your pairs a seperate entity.
Now that you are not overdriving your volts, you will need stronger electrolyte mix to get the amps back up to where they were. You want to slowly increase the strength of your electrolyte until you get your amps where you want them.
Your Video Is Very Useful Sharing spacing. vinyl oversize switch plate between
pemburuiklan 1 month ago
Nice electrolytic cell. However, its not the gaps, nor the voltage/amps. Go back to the hardware store, and buy nickel plated light switch covers. Then replace all your Cathodes with the nickel parts, and watch the water come alive. using the same type electrodes is like trying to force dead AA batteries to drive an RC car. if it works, you wont be happy with the results.
ymdeardorff1 1 month ago
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nellooprandi1 2 months ago
drill holes to the sides of each plates and wrap it by solid wires to put more voltage on the plates then see the difference..
jeffzaragoza 2 months ago
I tried different steps to produce more gas, but over time, the plates become tarnished and wear away, I replaced the hydrogen side (- pole) plates with lead, it worked best and still produced and lasted longer. Lead gets dark, but hydrogen still is produced since in is smaller molecule, I still had to clean or replace positive plates.
LordRaaa 4 months ago
@LordRaaa you can have the pos. side nickel plated. that will eliminate having to replace the cathodes.
delvis11 4 months ago
@delvis11 thanks delvis, i will give that a try on my next set of plates
LordRaaa 4 months ago
hahhahahaha thats what i also got ...when the gas is produce in a less amount it looks like noooooo that can be true....but its really explosive !
HasanFarooq100 4 months ago
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ftlqed 4 months ago
@ftlqed I wish I knew what you are trying to say here.
delvis11 4 months ago
volts = charge distance / energy area. Adding them 1/c = 1/c + 1c., "DC batteries", allows for one discreetly powerful runaway blast. Electrons accelerate at 10^15 m/s. How to wrap them isn't as hard in some cases, but closeness for "distance" means you would evaporate/melt the insulator where water would go. So, you could cut strips of aluminum foil 25ft and roll them all around teflon and it would keep it shape. Really cheap. But it would keep better with spray.
ftlqed 4 months ago
that little bit of hydrogen your talking about it only take a very small amount to exsploid your area is filling with hydrogen in your work area, be careful make sure your hot water heaters not a open gas flame have you ever seen hydorgen just a drop exsploud its not pritty i had a nickel cadeum battery breath on me once it sucked in air with mosture in it caused hydrogen gas and exsploided almost tore my arm off, the caseing went though a 2x4 in the wall and put a hole in my celling becareful
david1513 4 months ago
@david1513 thanks for the safety warring. People need to pay more attention to it.
delvis11 4 months ago
With your first generator if u made it so there was at least 3 neutral plates that would help with the heat
shortyjk95 4 months ago
I realize this is a pretty old vid. But I thought I might point out a slight error in your second design.
When you have your cath, connected to the top of the first plate, (in series) it should exit at the bottom and enter the bottom of the anode. Continue up the anode and exit the anode and enter the cathode at the top. A zig zag schematic if you willl.
a2zhandi 6 months ago
If you use a converter from 12v to 240 v then you should get more bubbles.
Capitancanguro1 6 months ago
@frithwks HI. I wanted to know if yo were considering the fact that when your cells are getting that hot you are surely producing water vaper along with the hho . I think you new design probably produces as much hho with out any water vapor. I think you are on the right track. maybe a larger generator . I think it is brilliant that youare using the extra heat reducing plates.
abgl08 10 months ago
you want the + and - plates to be accessable to one another, the whole point is to exchange electrons between the two terminals.. only use small inulators to space your terminals apart :) great lookin cells tho xD
11green11 1 year ago
smaller non conductive spacers trim them into washers
SgtCuttles 1 year ago
they might be spaced to fare apart...
i use stainless steel washers ... about 2 1/2 inch's
7 washers is all i use, and it works pretty good
and the space between them is about an eighth of an inch..
Video85Man 1 year ago
I signed up just to comment onthis particular video...
I myself am trying to run an engine to run on HHO. Here is another of the problems you are showing...
The current travels from your first plate straight to the last plate (water is a conductor, specially with wathever your electrolite is) Build "walls" around the plates to contain the water ONLY between the plates, not around them. It wont get MUCH better, just helping your isues out here...
19Armada84 3 years ago
when you jump the current from one cell to the next, try passing it through from top to bottom instead of jumping acrost the top the whole time,this will force the current to travel through the cell plates before it can reach the next one... remember electricty will find the least path of resistance
bill71183 3 years ago
@bill71183 arg.... I posted similar to this before reading your post.
Good eye!
a2zhandi 6 months ago
Nice design, you certainly do good work. Great video, even if it didnt turn out as planned. I am workin on my first design and its great to see some trial and error. Im gonna try with perferated material aswell as 24g sheet.
evident1 3 years ago
Bro your output is LOW...
You at some of my design, I dont care if you take ideas or designs and use them.... or check out HHO4ALL channel he got some great cells too.... get away form the plates, unless you plan on making a drycell.
RisingSun350 3 years ago
at 12v you will actually get massive leakage. thats what is causing all the heating problem. neutrals are the key to controlling your heat. but in a series cell at 2.5v you do want to go +-+-+- like you said.
delvis11 3 years ago
i made this video quite awhile ago. i have learned a ton and im designing my own cell now. you are on the right track when you say 5 separate cells will pull more amps. but you will never see the type of efficiency of a dry cell for this reason. a major part of the energy that goes into the cell is escaping from the edges of the plates instead of going through the plates. dry cell design is superior design. thx for posting
delvis11 3 years ago
are your pos and neg connected togrther?
davison1021 2 years ago
I am dealing with the same issues you had with this cell. My design is -NNNNN+NNNNN- and its wrapped with rubber and I get a bit more production at 2amps and 12v but still not enough to help anything. Smacks claims having the pairs of neutral plates together can help. Good luck with your cells.
brown55061 3 years ago
this will help your gas production a lot
try this:
-nnnn+nnnn-
at 12v you will get gas production with out a lot of heat.
i hope this helps.
delvis11 3 years ago
My production at 12v was not impressive, slightly more than this vid shows. But at 14v it's better and combined with the higher amp load from the alternator I think it would improve and run hotter. So I'm just going to try it as is and see what happens with it on an engine. But I will drop to 5 gaps if it doesn't improve. Thanks
brown55061 3 years ago
yes your production will go up because you have increased the voltage between each gap. try to keep it below 3 volts and above 2.5v between plate gaps for the best production to efficiency.
delvis11 3 years ago
I'm a little behind here. Can you tell me what your container is made of? I'm looking for a durable container that won't break the bank. Thanks --
Derekbdm 3 years ago
a great container for the beginner is a water filter canister. it seals great and is heavy duty. i think $19 dollars at home depot
delvis11 3 years ago
First, look at the spacing between your plates. Second, increasing the voltage is only going to increase the heat made while at the same time, reducing the amperage. Your cell will only draw the current it needs. Third, I have a cell running that is 1" dia and about 2-3" long that is making more gas (per size comparison) than your unit on 1 amp. The next one will go in my car.
hltibbs 3 years ago
reduce the number of = and - and increase the neutral plates and bam no more heat issues also consider a larger amount of water.
ezspool 3 years ago
Put your monster cell in a big box of water/one gallon to keepit cool w/ a circulator pump.. and you gotter made!
audiegates 3 years ago
Ya i think you need more water / a bigger housing. Water cools units. Or less electrolyte but of course less electrolyte means less amps and less production. You also need more amps to produce more hydro. Hook it up to a 12 volt car batt which will push more amps. keep it in alot of water. Its not the volts its the amps. I run 2 8 plate cells 20 amps each. 1.5 liters of hydro permin. Kinda brute force but waiting for the water splitter.
EMPIRE0FLIES 3 years ago
eye2u got it right.. too much nylon..get rid of that & production will go back up.. doubtless.
audiegates 3 years ago
True HHO production is a function of current. Illusion of brute force high temp electrolysis is because hot gases occupy more volume, so appears more gas is HHO made. It's not. Ideally, you need about 2volts across each cell to be efficient. Any higher voltage generates waste heat. Sid Young's brick unit is the best garage design I've found myself. The majority of folks have crappy design w/ too much voltage. They are water vapor generators, with only like 100ml of real HHO per min.
vison2create 3 years ago
Delvis, you are obviously very good on the bench. A series cell works by transfering through the water alone there is no need to block this transfer. do not wire the plates together - add some lye sodium hydroxide for electric conduction for production or potassium hydroxide if you can find it. your number of plates is about right depending on how hot you make the mixture. VERY LITTLE GOES A REAL LONG WAY. Start with a 1/6 teaspoon to about a half gallon of water.
frsstolowski 3 years ago
Thats a good question delvis, I have been thinking of doing just that. Keep up the good work.
DMEgroundspeed 3 years ago
That is not in series. You almost got it but when you put it in a bucket of water the electricity can travel however it wants. What you should do is have individual cells of water in series seperated in stainless. not wire them in series. The water is the resistor and the plates are the conductors. Take a look at a car battery with 10 cells in series and notice that each cell has its own container of acid seperated from the others. Get what I am saying.
shmimey 3 years ago
yes i understand. where can i go to see the inside of a battery. even better where can i get a new battery container.
delvis11 3 years ago
I opened up the bad battery from my standby generator for the house and it had 6 cells seperated by partions for each cell, each producing 2 volts. There was a lead plate then another plate inside a rubber envelope, 4 in each cell. Hope that helps, keep up all the good work guys. I am just getting the hang of this HHO stuff. Thank you for all the information.
DMEgroundspeed 3 years ago
why has no one used a battery container to make a hydrogen cell. i guess i will have to open one up and see. thanks
delvis11 3 years ago
Lose any plastic or insulator between plates. Don't worry about the meter... the proof is in the production. Certain plate configurations are better than others and react differently. good luck, be safe.
cribcat1 3 years ago
can you cool it with a pump and radator so it sucks the fuld at the bottom and push the fulds back in at the top. to keep it cool and put a fan at the radator so the fulds stay cooler so do the plates?
speed6891 3 years ago
1/8 in. nylon washers between plates & config. to + N N N - - - + N N N - - - 14 plates total use stainless washers between neutral plates...
eye2UTu63 3 years ago
First though for you is get a real meter ! These type of tlittle pieces of junk from China are usually off a volt or two ! OH, remove plastic plates and increase gap between pairs
vid009a 3 years ago
you might want to try using a perforated buffer between each neg and pos plate along with a much larger housing.
dwsinlove 3 years ago
just a thouht , you seem to have half of your plates blocked off , one side is open the other half is blocked by the insulators open the top and bottom of the insulators .
fletcho11 3 years ago
How big was the container that you said got too hot and started leaking? It looks like it is pretty small. That is probably the reason for the heat problem, or the plastic is too soft.
Have you tried making a housing out of CPVC? Or even PVC? those plastics are fairly hard, takes some practice to get a good seal on them though.
I really like that first plate design you used, am really enjoying all you guys showing what your doing. Keeps everyone from making the same mistakes over and over.
KyHighlander59 3 years ago
thanks for reply,, heck now i went back to 2 plates and really kicking gas on tap water and soda so much gas that i wonder why people use so many plates is because of heat? more is less heat?
appregios 3 years ago
if you were to measure the gas output of two plates compared to say 10 plates you would see a big difference. 10 plate cell will produce much more and stay cooler and draw alot less current. it may look like alot but it isn't much.
delvis11 3 years ago
ya i have 4 plate cell just started and blew my hand off connected somewhere dang not sure where feel like idiot lol that cant get right connection neg /pos for 4 plates got all parts all good cant make it work without burned hand help friends
appregios 3 years ago
be careful you dont get any shorts
delvis11 3 years ago
before running it is possible to check for a short with an ohm meter.Check out my cells.
mymessagetomark 3 years ago
you need to use real stainless instead of the low grade wall plate material. heat is a waste of power... too many amps.
chipflinger 3 years ago
wall plates are fine.... try telling that to Smack! :)
delvis11 3 years ago
When we made the "Smack" cell with real 316L stainless we had at least a 25% increase in production.
chipflinger 3 years ago
point taken.
delvis11 3 years ago
do 7 seperate cells each with 6 plates spaced at 3 mm run in series... you can build this in one unit with 7 separate areas no neutral plates.
10 amps = 2lpm 15 amp = 3lpm 20 amp=4lpm 25amp = 5 lpm no heat problems
ddfusion69 3 years ago
thanks. have you done this? so if i do a 3/4 x 6 inch tube in 1 inch pvc with a 1/2 anode X 7 would i get the results your saying? thx for the comment
delvis11 3 years ago
havent worked wwith tubes so i cant really answer that. Yes i have done what i am saying, i used a pvc conduit box with acrylic inserts to make the separations.
the plates were ss wall plates from home depot
you can run up to around 30 amps with the six plates with no heat problems
and i use distilled water and naoh from lowes
also condition your plates by using 36 grit sand paper and sanding a cross pattern on the plates
each separate section will have about 2 volts when running in car
ddfusion69 3 years ago
thanks for the numbers. i may try this with the tubes i have.
delvis11 3 years ago
if the intentions for this is to be put in a car, wouldn't 30amps kill the battery?
mxteen680 3 years ago
no it would not kill the battery, also with this design you can get good gas output at lower amps..10 - 15 amps = 2 - 3 lpm of hho
ddfusion69 3 years ago
3 lpm at 15 amps is overunity dude. can you explain 1.133 watts
delvis11 3 years ago
my neon has an 85 amp alternator.
delvis11 3 years ago
...do you run continuity test?
..maybe try something simple : +-+- 4 s.s.plates.1/16" clearance. No touching.(Test) very simple! Or you could start with only +- 2 s.s.plates and produce a lot of gas . Or maybe 2 s.s.washers?
Try 1 tblspn. arm/hammer in 1 gal.water. Don't worry about brown water. Brown=HHO.I like brown water 'cause it's giving me over 36 mpg!
The idea is to break it back down to fundamentals and determine the problem.
Success will happen! Hope this helps!
2br2br2 3 years ago
Delvis... It looks to me that there is too much mass in close proximity within such a small space? Is the cell constructed using only S.S.? Just an observation. Try a smaller cell in a somewhat larger space? See the vid. "HHo Ecogreen". Hope this helps.
2br2br2 3 years ago
im not sure what your saying. i will view the vid.
delvis11 3 years ago
what are those jumpers on top?
bennytan777 3 years ago
those are the positive and neg. connections
delvis11 3 years ago
well the concept of the cell is the same as d3apoo1's 6 cells, only much smaller. Basically what you are trying to do is make multiple parallel cells and then wire them in series. This works well, but each parallel cell must be in its own container to prevent voltage leakage, The best cell design is ssc, sidyound, and d3's dry cell(but don't use inconel like d3 did for his test). But your on the right track, but the wall plates are for learning, not production, Time to step up:)
mielectric1 3 years ago
Shrink wrap the connections between the units. need more complete isolation between each distinct pair. Do best you can to make each of your pairs a seperate entity.
Now that you are not overdriving your volts, you will need stronger electrolyte mix to get the amps back up to where they were. You want to slowly increase the strength of your electrolyte until you get your amps where you want them.
(isolation + more amps) = (more gas + less heat)
SmartScarecrow 3 years ago