I haven't seen this show a lot. But to me in this conversation he is telling her indirectly that he uses people as stepping stones to get what he wants. Why I think that is because I think he's basically telling her that people's emotions (i.e. love) are trivial. Not to mention he's basically telling her in the last paragraph that there's just me, only me. But I can totally see girls going gaga hearing this. After all, his words are ambiguous, you could project what you wanted to hear from him.
Don is pretending he is alone with no love and family to put himself in the same position as his customer....the art of lying in business probably ....at the end of the episode he goes home and kisses his kids!
@simocini87 And in the end of season 4 he is alone. Surround yourself by other people doesn't make you love life. I actually think that this is Don's philosophy about life, and I couldn't agree more with it.
@joaopmpgnr You are in love when you accept your life is worth as much as the people you are in love with! Saying that Don is not in love because is a solitary man with zero true friends, in my opinion, is wrong!
The way I understood this part of the show is that she is not saying that it's hard to be a man. She's saying that it must be hard for Don to ALSO be a man. She does not mean man as in a member of the male gender. She means a mortal being. I gathered this from the repeated references to Don being God-like throughout the entire series.
@StellarNoire Yes, because being a man is easy. Girls always pay for dates and do work. Girls always buy highly expensive rings. Men can always cry or flirt their way out a problem.
@PaulThePuppetier Yes, because being a man is easy. Girls always pay for dates and do work. Girls always buy highly expensive rings. Men can always cry or flirt their way out a problem.
First episode, first best sentence and first big lie by Draper who then went home to see his wife and kids to show how he was lying to her client to build her trust upon him....the clip should be longer :)
no one should get the credit or "recognition". it's everything, the acting, the script, etc. its the combination of those things that makes this scene and this show amazing. without one the other would suffer greatly
it is exactly because he does not believe in love that his life is so utterly screwed up. i mean, look at this. he has everything, and he is miserable, all those sexcapades do not make it any better. that's all because he was not loved as a kid. i am really sorry for don, and i dont understand why men want to be like him. they want to be a deeply traumatized unhappy person? sad.
i like this scene but...technically....how can someone be born alone? your mums has to be there to push you out or otherwise someone has to get you otta the womb otherwise you aren't born, you just die
@TheGuggly1 yeah but he says you are born alone. that sounds like theres literally no one around. but that is impossible. and even if he does mean as you say, he is being specific about you getting outta the womb, then the twin or triplet thing also makes him kinda wrong
this is in one of the first episodes but if u watch this after seeing the 4 seasons you "get it" more u really know what hes talking about. it cuts through much more
Okay, after :35 I don't understand what Don is saying at all and what Rachel's last line means either. Can somebody further elaborate what he and she were saying?
@krustykelvin He means exactly what he says. In life, we are born with no one, and we will eventually do with no one. The "rules" that are dropped on top of you are sociological constraints and ethics so as to create this illusion that we are not alone, but as Don clearly states, it is only to make you forget the truth. With respect to Rachel's comment, calling Don a "man too" implies than being human is a secondary role for him; Rachel is calling Don inhuman, with a negative connotation.
If 'romance' hasnt been defined yet, how would you describe that behaviour? the same which directs mamals behaves? In a general basis, we don't understand ourselves, so we pretend it is actually 'normal' to have this or that kind of behaviour.
But things are more complicated than that, social paterns often make it more difficult to distinguish some realities to others
Love does exist. Just not the love in rom-coms, flowers, diamonds, white weddings, "happy ever after", Colin Firth, romance, and all that BS. Romance has killed love.
He doesn't contradict himself in the 4th season. Do you really think just the fact that Don gets married means he is in love? He is married as he is saying these words. Don marries out of convenience, not love. You need to look a bit deeper to see the motives, instead of just assuming.
I love how Maggie Siff keeps right up with him as Rachel. And in fact this is a love scene. Don in "oh, god, ten years married to Daisy Buchanan...let me tell about love." mode.
Poor, poor Mr. Draper. I like how he gets one opportunity after next throughout this show to eat every word he lays down in this scene. I guess all that market-manufactured love can really hurt when your wife and children aren't waiting for you at the breakfast table every morning.
@awesomeO9001 I watch new episodes of Mad Men while I eat lunch between classes. Needless to say, I pregamed many a lecture because Don Draper made me.
That was quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Next thing you know, AMC will be telling us that sex isn't real, it was just invented by the people who make condoms.
@VacantFilmer Advertising has influences you'd never suspect... The tradition of engagement rings was invented by de beers to sell jewelry. The iconic Santa Claus image you know with the red clothes etc was created by Coke to sell their product.
@VacantFilmer I think you're missing the point. AMC isn't telling you about love. It is a character in a tv show expressing his opinion. Don Draper is not meant to be admired, it is a show about happiness. With regard to Don, he is miserable but he seems to have everything you would expect for a person to be happy. So it begs the question "what is happiness and how do we come by it."
@VacantFilmer You should do a little research about the perception of love throughout history and the invention of romantic love before you spout shit like that. Love is a concept that's changed over time, is still changing, and will continue to change. There is no be all end all of love. It's a word not a feeling.
@dextermoody24 I'm pretty surprised that you're convinced that romantic love was "invented". As if some guy just up and one day decided to enter into a romantic interest with another woman. Pretty sure it's instinctual. Actually, I'm positive. If you're an evolutionist, check out the animals who mate for life. Pretty sure that's instinct, not a cognitive motion to coerce the opposite sex into attraction. You are right about one thing, there is not end all be all of love. It's everywhere.
@VacantFilmer Romance isn't about a lifelong partnership, it's about attracting a partner. Of course other animals have romance, how else can a male distinguish himself from other males? However, I think it is generally accepted that in most species, a lifelong partnership is rare.
As far as humans go, people often use romance simply to gain an intimate connection. Whether it ends up long term or short term is a consequence of their dedication, or the convenience of the situation.
@VacantFilmer Again, do some research before you spout stupid shit. I personally have never seen a beaver, swan, wolf, or Schistosoma Mansoni Worms write it's mate a love letter. But of course you just *know*. My pardons. Romantic love is a cultural construct. Just like every other aspect of human CULTURE.
The first season was filled with great quotes and philosophy from don and the other ad men. The seasons since have been entirely too focused on soap opera and romance, probably because they made the mistake of letting women write the majority of the episodes. Season 4 finally seemed like it started to at leastget back to that darker feel, but I dont think we'll ever see many more scens like this one, or the carousel
@Dontmakemecomeover5 - well with most drama series, the creators tend to put alot of work into how the last season goes. like with sopranos.. so with mad men hopefully that means more episodes written by matt weiner, less written by susie whats her face.
@mohgujai Don basically told Rachel all the pretty flowers and the shining white knights are all fables. They were created by men to sell their product to their audience - women. Therefore, the ad men use the technique of picturesque love to sell items, like makeup or a divine bottle of perfume. Or, in Don's case, nylons.
@MaximumOverTroII There's also a difference between him saying it, and some sub-par actor saying it. He can pull it off because he strikes the perfect balance between pessimism and a sort of sexy charm.
I haven't seen this show a lot. But to me in this conversation he is telling her indirectly that he uses people as stepping stones to get what he wants. Why I think that is because I think he's basically telling her that people's emotions (i.e. love) are trivial. Not to mention he's basically telling her in the last paragraph that there's just me, only me. But I can totally see girls going gaga hearing this. After all, his words are ambiguous, you could project what you wanted to hear from him.
foraminutethere23 1 week ago
@foraminutethere23 that's why he's the best.
zZoiks 5 days ago
It fuckin' is hard being man.That's the point.
MrCaracicatriz 1 week ago
Gladly sat through a Pop Tart ad abut some fruity shit snack to watch this.
LukasMueller1993 1 week ago
His best quote has got to be
"You're a whore!"
Episode 3:13-- Shut the Door, Have A Seat
HeistheOne45 1 week ago
How Ironic that Don Draper falls in love with his secretary at the end of season 4, where he impulsively proposes to her
Metallicjoe 1 week ago
@Metallicjoe next time could you put up a spoiler alert?
Legovestman 1 week ago
@Legovestman It was the first episode!
jy2721 6 days ago
Happy Valentine's Day everyone. ;)
pyropakman 2 weeks ago
Don is pretending he is alone with no love and family to put himself in the same position as his customer....the art of lying in business probably ....at the end of the episode he goes home and kisses his kids!
simocini87 3 weeks ago 4
@simocini87 And in the end of season 4 he is alone. Surround yourself by other people doesn't make you love life. I actually think that this is Don's philosophy about life, and I couldn't agree more with it.
joaopmpgnr 2 weeks ago
@joaopmpgnr You are in love when you accept your life is worth as much as the people you are in love with! Saying that Don is not in love because is a solitary man with zero true friends, in my opinion, is wrong!
simocini87 2 weeks ago
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tonycl568 3 weeks ago
if this is cut early, BRAVO
ntx7 3 weeks ago
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@ScireFlamma @ScireFlamma Do you know who typically pays for those? Women will often manipulate men to buy those unnecessary things for them.
MelvinThe42 3 weeks ago
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MelvinThe42 3 weeks ago
Why did what Don said convince her that it must be hard being a man?
SuperZman1111 3 weeks ago
Menken was a tranny anyway. Robert de Niro with lippy and a wig.
BarryDennen12 3 weeks ago
The way I understood this part of the show is that she is not saying that it's hard to be a man. She's saying that it must be hard for Don to ALSO be a man. She does not mean man as in a member of the male gender. She means a mortal being. I gathered this from the repeated references to Don being God-like throughout the entire series.
grigdon84 1 month ago
One of the greatest scenes I have ever seen.
ManUntdForever 1 month ago
TARA FROM SOA!! even in mad men, her character was a strong women. maggie siff is a bad ass.
cche16 1 month ago
how much of it is true, 'love' is an invention? i mean not love but 'Love' the way he says it
usernamesdb 1 month ago
@usernamesdb because it doesn't happen like he explained
magua4 1 month ago
His face reminds me of a lion.
Arrivald 1 month ago
"I never realized this until now but it must be hard to be a man, too"
Damn right! EVERY MORNING!
Silverjda 1 month ago 3
I don't call that love, thankfully
alliant 2 months ago
about 5 episodes later he hits that ass
luckliberty 2 months ago 11
God damn....he convinced a woman that it's hard being a man. Kudos to Don.
StellarNoire 2 months ago 70
@StellarNoire Yes, because being a man is easy. Girls always pay for dates and do work. Girls always buy highly expensive rings. Men can always cry or flirt their way out a problem.
MelvinThe42 1 month ago 7
@StellarNoire for that,Don is a fucking God
PaulThePuppetier 1 month ago 3
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@PaulThePuppetier Yes, because being a man is easy. Girls always pay for dates and do work. Girls always buy highly expensive rings. Men can always cry or flirt their way out a problem.
MelvinThe42 4 days ago
Like if you think this guy created the Dos Equis commericials based on himself, the most interesting man on the earth
spoiledmustardify 2 months ago
First episode, first best sentence and first big lie by Draper who then went home to see his wife and kids to show how he was lying to her client to build her trust upon him....the clip should be longer :)
simocini87 2 months ago
i love rachel menken and don draper together! they generate electricity in every scene they're in
hollywoodshopaholic 2 months ago
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AlbinoTrolo 2 months ago
Amazing show, totally brilliant. Every scene is a piece of art.
h4r4 2 months ago 3
don draper's been reading some Nietzsche...
dewanamatt1 2 months ago 7
@dewanamatt1 Or the Bible...seriously, this script is like it's lifted from Ecclesiastes.
Leavus1 1 month ago
Love is a pitch
chaneymichaels 2 months ago
I think the costume department should be getting the credit.
unknownshooter 2 months ago
no one should get the credit or "recognition". it's everything, the acting, the script, etc. its the combination of those things that makes this scene and this show amazing. without one the other would suffer greatly
sumerez 3 months ago 4
She was so hot in this. In Sons of Anarchy she is just MEH and annoying.
BurnMyEyes0107 3 months ago
it is exactly because he does not believe in love that his life is so utterly screwed up. i mean, look at this. he has everything, and he is miserable, all those sexcapades do not make it any better. that's all because he was not loved as a kid. i am really sorry for don, and i dont understand why men want to be like him. they want to be a deeply traumatized unhappy person? sad.
zhabakrek 3 months ago 7
@zhabakrek People want his talent, his money, his smarts, they want everything him except his soul and history.
SnoweyMan111 2 months ago
@zhabakrek Not sad. Realistic.
yogurtpimp 2 months ago
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kjurko1 2 months ago
successful troll is always successful
askaryambus 3 months ago
"you're born alone, you die alone"
okay, this is weird. the screenwriter must have known my dad
jtsports1217 3 months ago
i like this scene but...technically....how can someone be born alone? your mums has to be there to push you out or otherwise someone has to get you otta the womb otherwise you aren't born, you just die
227060 3 months ago
@227060
she is giving the birth, she isnt being born with you, unless you have a twin or something
TheGuggly1 3 months ago
@TheGuggly1 yeah but he says you are born alone. that sounds like theres literally no one around. but that is impossible. and even if he does mean as you say, he is being specific about you getting outta the womb, then the twin or triplet thing also makes him kinda wrong
227060 3 months ago
what does don mean by "I’m living like there’s no tomorrow, because there isn’t one"? i don't get how that's related to what he says before that.
thesquashhhhhh 3 months ago
this is in one of the first episodes but if u watch this after seeing the 4 seasons you "get it" more u really know what hes talking about. it cuts through much more
LTdrumma 4 months ago
1:00 - 1:05 "but it must be hard, being a man to....." ..... mmhmm continuee
jnwpse 4 months ago
@jnwpse look at it as "but it must be hard being a man too" :)
512AliN 3 months ago 2
@512AliN Good point. But then its a fragment.
jnwpse 3 months ago
I LOVE THIS SCENE!
rozrena 4 months ago
how is it the top two comments are complete opposites? either you agree or disagree, but you can't agree to disagree... or can you?
btr003 4 months ago
Okay, after :35 I don't understand what Don is saying at all and what Rachel's last line means either. Can somebody further elaborate what he and she were saying?
krustykelvin 4 months ago
@krustykelvin He means exactly what he says. In life, we are born with no one, and we will eventually do with no one. The "rules" that are dropped on top of you are sociological constraints and ethics so as to create this illusion that we are not alone, but as Don clearly states, it is only to make you forget the truth. With respect to Rachel's comment, calling Don a "man too" implies than being human is a secondary role for him; Rachel is calling Don inhuman, with a negative connotation.
WarOmnimonki 4 months ago
the charisma in this scene is second to none
COGLATRON 4 months ago
I think the best quote in this clip is "I never realized this until now but it must be hard to be a man, too"
Sapient00Czarina 5 months ago 77
@Sapient00Czarina I agree with you, completely.
TryToRunAway 5 months ago
@Sapient00Czarina How on earth did you get the quote wrong? It's literally right in the video.
MisterSkraz 1 month ago
I love the layers of meaning: he's invented love > love doesn't exist > Don actually loves his wife.
the81kid 5 months ago
i wud be worried if it wasnt hard...giggity!
kal999 5 months ago 2
"But I never forget..." *little head shake*..... Yup, I just turned gay for Don Draper.
thickbro522 6 months ago 6
@thickbro522 omg lool...that tiny head shake is pretty damn epic lool
nor2nor 5 months ago
HE IS SO HOT!!!!!!!!!!
rockdorita 6 months ago
it exists...
TheNoCoincidence 6 months ago
If 'romance' hasnt been defined yet, how would you describe that behaviour? the same which directs mamals behaves? In a general basis, we don't understand ourselves, so we pretend it is actually 'normal' to have this or that kind of behaviour.
But things are more complicated than that, social paterns often make it more difficult to distinguish some realities to others
ding115 6 months ago
@ding115
Love does exist. Just not the love in rom-coms, flowers, diamonds, white weddings, "happy ever after", Colin Firth, romance, and all that BS. Romance has killed love.
the81kid 5 months ago
I wasnt born alone :P My mother was there
Raveninety9 6 months ago
He doesn't contradict himself in the 4th season. Do you really think just the fact that Don gets married means he is in love? He is married as he is saying these words. Don marries out of convenience, not love. You need to look a bit deeper to see the motives, instead of just assuming.
TilVejrs 6 months ago
This is one of the wisest conversations I've ever heard
caleboki2008 6 months ago
I love how Maggie Siff keeps right up with him as Rachel. And in fact this is a love scene. Don in "oh, god, ten years married to Daisy Buchanan...let me tell about love." mode.
regertz 6 months ago
He contradicts himself in the 4th season tsk tsk tsk
palucha66 6 months ago
@palucha66 nay, thats called character development.
tailoredplus 6 months ago
Poor, poor Mr. Draper. I like how he gets one opportunity after next throughout this show to eat every word he lays down in this scene. I guess all that market-manufactured love can really hurt when your wife and children aren't waiting for you at the breakfast table every morning.
basskick10 6 months ago
I think if you took the first episode of Mad Men and said it was a short film it would've won an Oscar. Great arc, great characters, great dialogue.
TMPolimeno 6 months ago
Santa Claus was not invenetd by Coca Cola.
snopes.com/holidays/christmas/santa/cocacola.asp
butcherboy2008 6 months ago
The ironic part is, Draper is married
newfishfilms 7 months ago
@newfishfilms was.
mundotaku 7 months ago
Don Draper makes me want to drink at 3 in the afternoon.
awesomeO9001 7 months ago 76
@awesomeO9001 I watch new episodes of Mad Men while I eat lunch between classes. Needless to say, I pregamed many a lecture because Don Draper made me.
HaggisNinja 2 months ago
That was quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Next thing you know, AMC will be telling us that sex isn't real, it was just invented by the people who make condoms.
VacantFilmer 7 months ago
@VacantFilmer Advertising has influences you'd never suspect... The tradition of engagement rings was invented by de beers to sell jewelry. The iconic Santa Claus image you know with the red clothes etc was created by Coke to sell their product.
adjafri 7 months ago 2
@VacantFilmer I think you're missing the point. AMC isn't telling you about love. It is a character in a tv show expressing his opinion. Don Draper is not meant to be admired, it is a show about happiness. With regard to Don, he is miserable but he seems to have everything you would expect for a person to be happy. So it begs the question "what is happiness and how do we come by it."
vadstradamus 7 months ago 6
@vadstradamus Not to be admired? I idolize him.
dextermoody24 6 months ago
@VacantFilmer You should do a little research about the perception of love throughout history and the invention of romantic love before you spout shit like that. Love is a concept that's changed over time, is still changing, and will continue to change. There is no be all end all of love. It's a word not a feeling.
dextermoody24 6 months ago
@dextermoody24 I'm pretty surprised that you're convinced that romantic love was "invented". As if some guy just up and one day decided to enter into a romantic interest with another woman. Pretty sure it's instinctual. Actually, I'm positive. If you're an evolutionist, check out the animals who mate for life. Pretty sure that's instinct, not a cognitive motion to coerce the opposite sex into attraction. You are right about one thing, there is not end all be all of love. It's everywhere.
VacantFilmer 6 months ago
@VacantFilmer Romance isn't about a lifelong partnership, it's about attracting a partner. Of course other animals have romance, how else can a male distinguish himself from other males? However, I think it is generally accepted that in most species, a lifelong partnership is rare.
As far as humans go, people often use romance simply to gain an intimate connection. Whether it ends up long term or short term is a consequence of their dedication, or the convenience of the situation.
grichl88 6 months ago
@VacantFilmer Again, do some research before you spout stupid shit. I personally have never seen a beaver, swan, wolf, or Schistosoma Mansoni Worms write it's mate a love letter. But of course you just *know*. My pardons. Romantic love is a cultural construct. Just like every other aspect of human CULTURE.
dextermoody24 6 months ago
The first season was filled with great quotes and philosophy from don and the other ad men. The seasons since have been entirely too focused on soap opera and romance, probably because they made the mistake of letting women write the majority of the episodes. Season 4 finally seemed like it started to at leastget back to that darker feel, but I dont think we'll ever see many more scens like this one, or the carousel
MissDeeCole 7 months ago
@MissDeeCole There supposed to end it at season 7 so who knows if there ever getting back to there roots.
Dontmakemecomeover5 6 months ago
@Dontmakemecomeover5 - well with most drama series, the creators tend to put alot of work into how the last season goes. like with sopranos.. so with mad men hopefully that means more episodes written by matt weiner, less written by susie whats her face.
MissDeeCole 6 months ago
Only douchebags disable embedding. What does that make you?
qq34r7 7 months ago
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qq34r7 7 months ago
What did he mean when he said "what you call love was invented by ugys like me to sell nylons"?
mohgujai 7 months ago
@mohgujai Don basically told Rachel all the pretty flowers and the shining white knights are all fables. They were created by men to sell their product to their audience - women. Therefore, the ad men use the technique of picturesque love to sell items, like makeup or a divine bottle of perfume. Or, in Don's case, nylons.
AmenaMT93 7 months ago 2
The assurance and coolness of Draper is nicely counter-balanced by the ironic answer of his friend.
etbadaboum 8 months ago
His delivery of his lines is simply uncanny. She does a nice job too. This show is sheer genius....It's s a gift.
coyotesong 8 months ago
That man is too cool!!!!
CEDRICEALY2008 9 months ago
The very definition of coolness.
SagaciousSilence 10 months ago
@PettyPettyWoodChuck did they?! i know they won 3 consecutive best drama golden globes!
bridgetalaine7 11 months ago
@bridgetalaine7 First ever hat trick in that category.
mummyjohn 3 months ago
What a great scene. Hamm should have won a few Emmys for his portrayal of Draper.
trha2222 11 months ago 2
@trha2222
The screenwriter should be getting the recognition, actually.
MaximumOverTroII 11 months ago 161
@MaximumOverTroII The words are nice, but it is the performance I like most.
trha2222 11 months ago 79
@MaximumOverTroII the screenwriter NEVER gets any recognition!
ilexgp64 6 months ago 3
@MaximumOverTroII There's also a difference between him saying it, and some sub-par actor saying it. He can pull it off because he strikes the perfect balance between pessimism and a sort of sexy charm.
acmna 6 months ago
@MaximumOverTroII he is, its don drapers best quote, not jon hamms
noszondi 3 months ago
@MaximumOverTroII Well if they guy saying it wasn't Jon Hamm.. I wouldn't give a fuck
mrmn68 3 months ago
@trha2222 he might have..the show won best drama at least twice!
bridgetalaine7 11 months ago