There were jews and israelites period who did not go along with the Jerusalem priesthood.David and later Solomon tried to unite Israel under one Temple and one God Yawweh.But the past was to deep.Some Israelites still remembered the High God El who sat over the assembly of the Eloheem.
At this point everyone is just yelling. There is really no need to be angry at one another. I do find it interesting that those who argue against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints seem to try so hard to insult. Christ was an offender to many, but i do not feel the Savior would approve of deliberate contention and anger. People on both sides of any religious debate should be respectful and kind. Patience and charity should govern here, not hostility and hate.
@LDS4Life71 If you do a bit more research you'll find I comment as widely as possible so that even one Mormon may read and do some investigation for themselves. It seems strange that the early Mormon Church, including Smith and his compatriots, all placed the BOM on American (US) soil. Now that no evidence has been found for an American placement the LDS church has switched locations to Central America. This is good as there are ready edifices and archaeology, albeit unrelated to the BOM.
Why does the Mormon church do any research at all? Don't they just tell people to pray to Heavenly Father and he will tell them that the BOM is true? What's happening now, they don't believe the answer they're getting from Heavenly Father? Are they actually going to try to proooove the BOM now? No! That would mean they would actually have to engage, answer direct questions and yes even admit, possibly, that they are incorrect, that the BOM is NOT true and that Joseph Smith was a fraud.
@freestanding1000 LOL so you are just cutting and pasting the same crap all over?!?! Is this direct instructions from your corrupt preacher heading some Evangelical sect? Stop being jealous bitter and jealous of Mormons, apparently you have no message of your own and are losing members left and right with every passing scandal (Ted Haggard, Jim Baker, Jimmy Swaggart etc. etc.)
@EscapeNewJersey I’ll respond in two separate entries. Actually pasting this message on several posts. I want to get the attention of Mormons and get them researching their church. A cult wants that their adherents not look at anything but the material their group feeds them. That way they stay uninformed. I want the message to get out there and be read. It’s fully mine as I don’t need anyone else to write anything for me. The truth is there but will do no good if not read and considered.
@EscapeNewJersey These men are fellow sinners with me. But Jesus saves us by grace, not of anything that we can do or accomplish. I cannot be “good enough” to go to heaven. On the day I die I may sin but I’ll go to Heaven. That’s what grace is. It's His church, bought and paid with His blood and only through Jesus are we redeemed, not Joseph Smith, not the LDS church, not any church, not through concrete temples, but the Temple of Jesus’ body He raised on the 3rd day. Salvation is in Jesus only.
@EscapeNewJersey It seems you’ve bought into the Mormon nonsense about all Christian preachers being hired by Satan. Do you know what the word evangelical even means? It applies to Mormons as well. No jealousy but definitely bitterness toward Satan for tricking millions of people into believing Smith was a Prophet. I subscribe to no preacher save the message of the Gospel preached by Paul and others. Acts 4:12. There’s no name under heaven by which we are saved.
@EscapeNewJersey The word evangelical means to spread or preach a message. The LDS is certainly this way. Stop dining on the cultish mentality of the LDS church. Saying that one is "nothing like" another is what is delusional. This is exactly what cult leaders teach their adherents: we are different, we are right, they are wrong, everything is lies when spoken against us. We have different conclusions and faith but are not different as human beings.
@freestanding1000 LOL that is like saying that Catholics and Jews are the same just because they both read the Old Testament!! LOL Mormons actually do widespread missionary work to spread the true Gospel of Jesus Crist all over the world, however so-called "evangelicals" spend their time and money attacking other religions like Latter Day Saints and collect money and build theme parks pay for the corrupt lifestyles of its leaders like Ted Haggard, Jim Baker, and Jimmy Swaggat!!
@EscapeNewJersey I'm really beginning to think you may have a mental disorder. Your argumentation warps and doesn't fit the logic of sequence. I said we are no different as human beings, not in our faith. Do you propose that Catholics and Jews are different anthropologically? That sounds bigoted or even racist. Do you have a complex? Is this born out of the racist ideology and theology of the Mormon Church, the BOM and its founder Joseph Smith? It may be time for you to escape while you can.
@freestanding1000 You make no sense, we are not arguing that we are a different species. Of course we are all human beings - that has nothing at all to do with what is being discussed. You are very uneducated. Joseph Smith was never a racist. IN FACT Joseph Smith wrote many things stating that he was against slavery and racial injustice!! Also, Joseph Smith ran for President of the USA on an Anti-Slavery platform!! Please obtain a minimum education level before making stupid statements!!
@freestanding1000 Also, there where ordained black priests in the LDS church 50 years before the first Catholic black priest was ordained in the USA!!
@EscapeNewJersey I don't speak for (answer for) the Catholic church, Christianity as a whole, or those men whom you mentioned. Baker, Swaggart, et al do not preach the Gospel I preach and I don't support them. Remember, as with the Mormon faith there are many groups within Christianity and they don't see eye to eye theologically. I speak for me, that's as far as I can go conclusively. Do you answer for the other Mormon groups? As we will do before God, answering for ourselves, so we do on earth.
@EscapeNewJersey Other groups are not part of the LDS church? But they still subscribe to the BOM or a translation of it, do they not? You cannot separate yourself from similar theological groups yet impose upon Christianity a complete oneness amongst all the differing theological groups. Your church lumps all Christianity as one in order to create an enemy but that’s a characteristic of cults; us-versus-them mentality.
@freestanding1000 That is like saying that Catholics and Jews are part of the same church because they both read the Old Testament! Wrong, the LDS church never attacks any other religious group, it is other anti-Mormon religious groups that attack the LDS church and then get angry when the Latter Day Saints state true Christian history and correct scripture interpretation.
@ 0.5 Peterson admits that "many people are surprised that Nephi build a Hebrew temple in the new world when he gets there" . Perhaps too it is a great surprised that Hebrew temple/s are not found in the new world. Where are these Hebrew temples ? Are you suggesting that Mayan Ziggurat stone buildings are what Nephi builds as a Hebrew temple ? The book of mormon does not describe ziggurat stone pyramids. The book of Mormon only describes Nephi building a Solomon's Temple.
@kramd1 "And I, Nephi, did build a temple; and I did construct it after the manner of the temple of Solomon save it were not built of so many precious things; for they were not to be found upon the land, wherefore, it could not be built like unto Solomon’s temple. But the manner of the construction was like unto the temple of Solomon; and the workmanship thereof was exceedingly fine." (2 Nephi 5:16)
This is a remote connection at best. The three days journey refers to the distance from Jerusalem, not Arad. Also they never mention passing by an Arad temple in the text of the BOM despite mentioning the names of plenty of other places...
@HerrKnitler In 2008, LDS Humanitarian Services provided aid to 3.3 million people in 122 countries, and since 1985 help has been given to 23 million people in 163 nations and the human race.(wikipedia) where is the scam? we need more scams like this, japan could really use one of the mormon scams right now
@potato212 There was only 1 temple in Jerusalem recognized by God. After the cross, the heavy veil that covered the holy of holies "that a team of oxen could not tear", was ripped in half, "and Jesus said, it is finished" Christs aposltes are the foundation and Jesus is the cornerstone. The holy temple, "built without hands" rests upon this foundation. The faithfull in Christ are the holy temple.
The spirit of apostasy and the increasing influence of Hellenization contributed to a spiritual and doctrinal decline in the second and third centuries. According to this thesis, the result was that early Christianity, rooted in apocalyptic Judaism, was transformed into a synthetic blend of "Christianity" and pagan Platonic philosophy. The process of Hellenization was so severe that it literally killed the religion Christ founded and replaced it with something else.
There were jews and israelites period who did not go along with the Jerusalem priesthood.David and later Solomon tried to unite Israel under one Temple and one God Yawweh.But the past was to deep.Some Israelites still remembered the High God El who sat over the assembly of the Eloheem.
umaara100 4 months ago
At this point everyone is just yelling. There is really no need to be angry at one another. I do find it interesting that those who argue against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints seem to try so hard to insult. Christ was an offender to many, but i do not feel the Savior would approve of deliberate contention and anger. People on both sides of any religious debate should be respectful and kind. Patience and charity should govern here, not hostility and hate.
potato212 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 If you do a bit more research you'll find I comment as widely as possible so that even one Mormon may read and do some investigation for themselves. It seems strange that the early Mormon Church, including Smith and his compatriots, all placed the BOM on American (US) soil. Now that no evidence has been found for an American placement the LDS church has switched locations to Central America. This is good as there are ready edifices and archaeology, albeit unrelated to the BOM.
freestanding1000 4 months ago
Why does the Mormon church do any research at all? Don't they just tell people to pray to Heavenly Father and he will tell them that the BOM is true? What's happening now, they don't believe the answer they're getting from Heavenly Father? Are they actually going to try to proooove the BOM now? No! That would mean they would actually have to engage, answer direct questions and yes even admit, possibly, that they are incorrect, that the BOM is NOT true and that Joseph Smith was a fraud.
freestanding1000 5 months ago
@freestanding1000 LOL so you are just cutting and pasting the same crap all over?!?! Is this direct instructions from your corrupt preacher heading some Evangelical sect? Stop being jealous bitter and jealous of Mormons, apparently you have no message of your own and are losing members left and right with every passing scandal (Ted Haggard, Jim Baker, Jimmy Swaggart etc. etc.)
EscapeNewJersey 5 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey I’ll respond in two separate entries. Actually pasting this message on several posts. I want to get the attention of Mormons and get them researching their church. A cult wants that their adherents not look at anything but the material their group feeds them. That way they stay uninformed. I want the message to get out there and be read. It’s fully mine as I don’t need anyone else to write anything for me. The truth is there but will do no good if not read and considered.
freestanding1000 5 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey These men are fellow sinners with me. But Jesus saves us by grace, not of anything that we can do or accomplish. I cannot be “good enough” to go to heaven. On the day I die I may sin but I’ll go to Heaven. That’s what grace is. It's His church, bought and paid with His blood and only through Jesus are we redeemed, not Joseph Smith, not the LDS church, not any church, not through concrete temples, but the Temple of Jesus’ body He raised on the 3rd day. Salvation is in Jesus only.
freestanding1000 5 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey It seems you’ve bought into the Mormon nonsense about all Christian preachers being hired by Satan. Do you know what the word evangelical even means? It applies to Mormons as well. No jealousy but definitely bitterness toward Satan for tricking millions of people into believing Smith was a Prophet. I subscribe to no preacher save the message of the Gospel preached by Paul and others. Acts 4:12. There’s no name under heaven by which we are saved.
freestanding1000 5 months ago
@freestanding1000 Latter Day saints are nothing like "evangelicals". You are wrong and deluded!
EscapeNewJersey 4 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey The word evangelical means to spread or preach a message. The LDS is certainly this way. Stop dining on the cultish mentality of the LDS church. Saying that one is "nothing like" another is what is delusional. This is exactly what cult leaders teach their adherents: we are different, we are right, they are wrong, everything is lies when spoken against us. We have different conclusions and faith but are not different as human beings.
freestanding1000 4 months ago
@freestanding1000 LOL that is like saying that Catholics and Jews are the same just because they both read the Old Testament!! LOL Mormons actually do widespread missionary work to spread the true Gospel of Jesus Crist all over the world, however so-called "evangelicals" spend their time and money attacking other religions like Latter Day Saints and collect money and build theme parks pay for the corrupt lifestyles of its leaders like Ted Haggard, Jim Baker, and Jimmy Swaggat!!
EscapeNewJersey 4 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey I'm really beginning to think you may have a mental disorder. Your argumentation warps and doesn't fit the logic of sequence. I said we are no different as human beings, not in our faith. Do you propose that Catholics and Jews are different anthropologically? That sounds bigoted or even racist. Do you have a complex? Is this born out of the racist ideology and theology of the Mormon Church, the BOM and its founder Joseph Smith? It may be time for you to escape while you can.
freestanding1000 4 months ago
@freestanding1000 You make no sense, we are not arguing that we are a different species. Of course we are all human beings - that has nothing at all to do with what is being discussed. You are very uneducated. Joseph Smith was never a racist. IN FACT Joseph Smith wrote many things stating that he was against slavery and racial injustice!! Also, Joseph Smith ran for President of the USA on an Anti-Slavery platform!! Please obtain a minimum education level before making stupid statements!!
EscapeNewJersey 4 months ago
@freestanding1000 Also, there where ordained black priests in the LDS church 50 years before the first Catholic black priest was ordained in the USA!!
EscapeNewJersey 4 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey I don't speak for (answer for) the Catholic church, Christianity as a whole, or those men whom you mentioned. Baker, Swaggart, et al do not preach the Gospel I preach and I don't support them. Remember, as with the Mormon faith there are many groups within Christianity and they don't see eye to eye theologically. I speak for me, that's as far as I can go conclusively. Do you answer for the other Mormon groups? As we will do before God, answering for ourselves, so we do on earth.
freestanding1000 4 months ago
@freestanding1000 Other "Mormon Groups" and not part of the LDS church.
EscapeNewJersey 4 months ago
@EscapeNewJersey Other groups are not part of the LDS church? But they still subscribe to the BOM or a translation of it, do they not? You cannot separate yourself from similar theological groups yet impose upon Christianity a complete oneness amongst all the differing theological groups. Your church lumps all Christianity as one in order to create an enemy but that’s a characteristic of cults; us-versus-them mentality.
freestanding1000 4 months ago
@freestanding1000 That is like saying that Catholics and Jews are part of the same church because they both read the Old Testament! Wrong, the LDS church never attacks any other religious group, it is other anti-Mormon religious groups that attack the LDS church and then get angry when the Latter Day Saints state true Christian history and correct scripture interpretation.
EscapeNewJersey 4 months ago
This is "evidence" of the Book of Mormon?
Doesthetruthmatter 6 months ago
@ 0.5 Peterson admits that "many people are surprised that Nephi build a Hebrew temple in the new world when he gets there" . Perhaps too it is a great surprised that Hebrew temple/s are not found in the new world. Where are these Hebrew temples ? Are you suggesting that Mayan Ziggurat stone buildings are what Nephi builds as a Hebrew temple ? The book of mormon does not describe ziggurat stone pyramids. The book of Mormon only describes Nephi building a Solomon's Temple.
kramd1 7 months ago
@kramd1 "And I, Nephi, did build a temple; and I did construct it after the manner of the temple of Solomon save it were not built of so many precious things; for they were not to be found upon the land, wherefore, it could not be built like unto Solomon’s temple. But the manner of the construction was like unto the temple of Solomon; and the workmanship thereof was exceedingly fine." (2 Nephi 5:16)
kramd1 7 months ago
What utter rubbish, this site is 6000 yrs old and has nothing to do with Mormon history.
Tell us about Hill Cumorah and its history....... IF YOU CAN !!
999LDS 9 months ago
This is a remote connection at best. The three days journey refers to the distance from Jerusalem, not Arad. Also they never mention passing by an Arad temple in the text of the BOM despite mentioning the names of plenty of other places...
madmonk 10 months ago
Here's a public service announcement:
ALL RELIGIONS ARE SCAMS.
Thank you
HerrKnitler 11 months ago
@HerrKnitler In 2008, LDS Humanitarian Services provided aid to 3.3 million people in 122 countries, and since 1985 help has been given to 23 million people in 163 nations and the human race.(wikipedia) where is the scam? we need more scams like this, japan could really use one of the mormon scams right now
DarrenEastman 11 months ago
Right. The Jews built temples outside of Jerusalem and were never recognized by God.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap
When does it say they were never recognized by God? The whole Old Testament is a record of the Jews.. And God recognizing them..
potato212 1 year ago
@potato212 There was only 1 temple in Jerusalem recognized by God. After the cross, the heavy veil that covered the holy of holies "that a team of oxen could not tear", was ripped in half, "and Jesus said, it is finished" Christs aposltes are the foundation and Jesus is the cornerstone. The holy temple, "built without hands" rests upon this foundation. The faithfull in Christ are the holy temple.
More temples? They are inventions of men.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
Temple(s) plural!! Evangelicals disheartened
Sephuskal 1 year ago 2
The spirit of apostasy and the increasing influence of Hellenization contributed to a spiritual and doctrinal decline in the second and third centuries. According to this thesis, the result was that early Christianity, rooted in apocalyptic Judaism, was transformed into a synthetic blend of "Christianity" and pagan Platonic philosophy. The process of Hellenization was so severe that it literally killed the religion Christ founded and replaced it with something else.
LDSapologist71 1 year ago 2
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LDSapologist71 2 years ago