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AN IDEAL STRONGEST FORM OF DEMOCRACY INCLUDED (See Subchapter 3.1.2.1, Chapter 3, of Part One.).
The so-called millions of deaths of Stalin were in fact the deaths caused by western invasion and arming and financially supporting old tsarist & militarist class to create ARMIES (!) against the young USSR- killing, burning down fields, destroying agricultural machinery. Read the book Ludo martens "another view of stalin" There is a complete and free PDF-download link of the text in English in wikipedia. Do not stay with always single-sided information.
@Bl4ckR0ck I'm tempted not to reply but this is just too fun. I'm sure in magical Commie land where the flowers bloom red and the birds sing the Internationale and the Jolly Karl Marx gives a copy of Das Kapital to every good little girl and boy every December 14, the accusations again dear kindly Uncle Joe have been "disproven." Out here in what I like to call "reality" we are still nettled by the uncomfortable fact that 3 to 60 million people mysteriously konked out while Joe was in charge.
@stureremil1942 Actually I was trying to be as precise as possible. 3 million was the lowest estimate I could find for the number of Stalin's victims. 60 million was the highest estimate. Let's be generous to old Joe. He only killed 3 million.
@stickman47487 Nope, he couldn't get it up that long. However, lots of people in Russia seem to have mysteriously...um...died about that time. Some starved to death slowly. Some were placed in work camps and also died. Maybe because they had to work outside in Siberia during the winter. Also, a lot of folks mysteriously ended up with bullets in their brains in places like Katyn forest. And Joe Stalin just happened to be head honcho of Russia at the time. Hmm. maybe 2+2 equals... 4?
@Raptor777socialism Um...what's your point? Are you proposing that Stalin didn't kill anybody? Not even one? Not even a thousand? What exactly goes on in your head that you feel impelled to defend Stalin? His charming personality? His adorable mustache?
I'm sorry, but is Stalin pouring himself booze at the outset of his speech? Gee, the Russians really do have an alcohol problem. You never saw Hitler knock back a schnapps at the closing ceremonies of the Nuremburg rallies.
@Stasi78 Yep! Sure is! I love anti-soviet propaganda! You know the big difference between it and SOVIET propaganda? It's true! You commies should try it some time!
@Bl4ckR0ck Um. So your point must be that....the crimes of Stalin and other communists are a fantasy, generated by a shadowy conspiracy of the "corporate media" (whoever they are).
I see no difference between your argument and that of the Holocaust deniers - except that you replace "Jewish Worldwide Conspiracy" with "Corporate Media Conspiracy." Both are equally grotesque, absurd and insulting to the memories of the dead.
@Bl4ckR0ck Apparently you think that typing the words "corporate" and "media" next to each other adds up to a brilliant point. Actually, I'm not sure it adds up to a coherent thought. Try again, please.
@Bl4ckR0ck We ain't so stupid that we've forgotton about the Black Marias, the gulags, the zeks, the slaughters, the starving Ukrainian children, and the Purges.
It's very depressing to read these comments and realize how many people out there feel obligated to defend a mass murderer. And you fucking anti-Semites are just as bad. Morally speaking, communism = Naziism.
@antonyhamill W. all due respect - no. "Stalinism" is just a dodge. The evil of Communism didn't come w. Stalin - its inherent. The Cheka (pre-curser to KGB) was founded under LENIN, not Stalin. 100 million deaths later, it should be clear that its rotten. Communism & Nazism are both poisonous Utopian ideologies that have spurred mass murder, slavery and misery. Both rely on the demonization of minorities, whether it's the Jews or the Kulaks. Both reject all morality in favor of the "cause."
@jmdomaniii I am aware of soviet history. Communism is just as bad as capitalism. Capitalists kill innocents for oil and justify it by pretending they are the good guys. the evil of any system is subjective. Capitalists, communists and nazis all thought they were good-guys.
@incantar Morality and the definition of evil is the most subjective thing possible. what is morally wrong for you or your countrymen (e.g. stoning women for witchcraft) would be the norm in other countries. There are no fixed morals for humanity. Never have been, never will be.
@antonyhamill Nonsense. Every society in history has had moral standards, and they always hold common threads. Ex: Courage better than cowardice. Truth better than lies. No society has HELD to their standard, but the standard is always there. When a society breaks the standard, it always is compelled to make an excuse: "It's for the cause" or (in your example) "Theses witches are evil devil worshippers." No society has ever said, "What we're doing is evil, but we'll do it anyway."
@jmdomaniii I disagree. Their is no human moral standard and the differing laws in differing countries proves that. In some countries you may have more than one wife, men can rape their wives legally and ages of consent sre vastly different. Some countries have a death penalty others don't, morals are utterly subjective. courage is not a moral it's a virtue.
@antonyhamill But they don't CALL it "rape". (although it is of course). They find a euphemism. The very existence of euphemism indicates that the moral standards are there, rooted deep in the psyche of every human. There are humans without moral standards - sociopaths. That's why they're guilt-free. Guilt (a feeling that you've broken a moral standard) is a universal phenomenon.
@antonyhamill You're confusing legality with morality. Legality (i.e. state-sponsored violence) is built on ethics (or it should be) but they are not same. Some acts are immoral but not illegal - like cheating on your wife. Some acts are illegal but not immoral - like defying unjust laws. What you should be asking is what happens when the link between Law and Ethics is completely severed - when Law becomes only a tool for the powerful. Thats when you get the death camps - and the gulags.
@antonyhamill If you talk about "bad" then you're admitting that moral standards exist. But comparing Cmsm. and Capitalism is comparing apples w. pebbles. Communism is an all-ecompassing view of world - almost a religion. Capitalism is a technique for making money. There are good capitalists and bad capitalists, because there are good & bad humans. But Communism makes you bad-because its a bad faith.
Anyway this is moot since you already agree with my orgnl point - that Communism=Nazism morally
@jmdomaniii My moral standard differentiates good from bad. But that is subjective as my version of good and bad is different to some other persons. I have views on what I personally think is bad. As does everyone else. Their is no moral standard. Communism does not = nazism. Your point that Lenin started the terror is true, but look at the situation subjectively, He was in the middle of a civl wart and the people had thrown of years of oppression and wanted revenge, also, prison camps Cont..
@antonyhamill - my point is that EVERYBODY has an IDEA of "good" and "bad." - and there are more similarities than differences in what everyone thinks "good" means. In addition, EVERYONE wants to think that they are "good." Even Lenin and Hitler thought that they were doing "good". But these men had deformed consciences. The presence of deformed morals does not prove that morals don't exist. Saying 2+2=5 doesn't disprove arithmetic.
@jmdomaniii existed under the imperial regime so you can hardly blame Lenin for doing the same. Anyway, I'm not saying I agree with what he did but he did it, and probably thought it was the right thing to do. Proof that morals are subjective.
@antonyhamill If there is no moral standard, then whether you agree or disagree is pointless. But there is. Name me one society that honors traitors or exalts cowardice (explicitly) Every human being (excepting sociopaths) has a conscience. Whether it came from God or nature isn't my point - the point is that having a conscience is part of being human. Saying "there are different kinds of apples" doesn't prove that apples don't exist. The same with moral standards.
@jmdomaniii With all due respect bravery (the opposite of cowardice) has nothing to do with morals. Morals are, I would say how we would deal with situations in the "right" way. My version would probably be the same of yours but I bet their would be grey areas in a lot of things. Sure it's easy for me to say "slavery is wrong" but just over 200 years ago slavery was morally acceptable in a lot of countries. I think this is definite evidence of no definitive moral standard. morals are *continued*
@antonyhamill *cont* sex is not a good example to prove ALL morality is relative. Of course, I DO make the absolute statement that there is a underlying, simple moral code that all humans have built into them. Truth > lies. Love > Hate. Fair > Unfair. I'm not being hypocritical - I think this is one of the rare absolute statements that are actually true.
Example of something that IS relative: Music. Every culture (and most humans) have different tastes in music. Ultimately there is.... *cont*
@antonyhamill Very true re: slavery. But my view is that slavery was, is, and always will be wrong, no matter what people think. The moral code hasn't changed - people's adherence to it has.
@jmdomaniii Constantly evolving and changing in every society and culture at different times and no two societies will have the same moral standards. Look at how homosexuals are viewed (generally) in England compared to the U.S. In England nobody cares about gays getting married at all (apart from a tiny minority) and are free to do so yet in the U.S. they are still villified to a much higher degree. The morals standards are different. I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
@antonyhamill you are right in that bravery isn't the best example. Try truth. Why do lie detectors work? Because nearly all humans have a compulsive revulsion to lying - manifested by quickened heart rate, etc.
My contention was always with your absolute statement that moral standards are COMPLETELY relative. Your mistake is 1. making an absolute statement and 2. in in your examples. They're mostly related to sexuality. Sexuality is one of the thorniest & complicated parts of morality. *cont*
@jmdomaniii To be fair I think we are both guilty of making an absolute statement. I do not, in any way shape or form condone what Stalin did but at heart, communism if done correctly, (which I admit is probably impossible due to human greed) would be the best system as it's basic tenet is fairness to all. This is the communism that I believe in but do admit seems impossible. If there was confusion that I agreed with Stalinism I apologise.
@antonyhamill *cont 2* Sex is a bad example to argue moral standards are completely relative - it's too complicated. The moral standards that are universal are things like Truth > Lies, Love > Hate. these are built into the human psyche (or soul, as I would say, being R. Catholic) and aren't relative. I know, that's an absolute statement - but its one of the few that really ARE absolute.
Example of something that IS relative: taste in music. There's no "good" or "bad" music.... *cont*
@antonyhamill *cont 3* taste in music, art and fashion is relative. There's no "code" behind it. What's good music for the average Mongolian is awful music for the average German. But both would agree that you shouldn't torture children...or burn down a hospital...or betray your friend. And even if they didn't, it would still be true.
My last word. Good talking to you dude. Made me think. Hopefully the feeling's mutual.
@jmdomaniii Their are good and bad humans and good and bad communists. Communism is not nazism. Public libraries are communist. public schools are communist. same for the fire service and the police. should we pay for each of these services only when we need them? NO. lets do it the communal way and make them available to everyone.
"Communism makes you bad-because its a bad faith. " No it doesn't. I'm a communist and I'm not bad. Point proven.
@antonyhamill Um..no. Public services are not communist. You seem to think there are only two extremes - pure anarchy or pure control. Not enough room here to define communism - look it up on Wikipedia.
I can't say whether you're a bad person - only that you are wrong. I think communism is bad because Communists killed 100 million people. That's bad.
One thing I do know is that you definitely don't live in a communist country - or have talked to refugees from communism. I suggest that you do.
@antonyhamill Sorry if I sounded preachy there. My point was that you seem a little to cavalier about the results of communism. I have friends whose parents and grandparents were imprisoned and murdered by communists - so it was disturbing to me. But I do still think that those call themselves communists (as you do) need to confront the results of their philosophy when it's applied.
@antonyhamill another pt. re: your libraries comment - by saying we do it communally instead of "because we need it", you are making an argument for unselfishness vs. selfishness. IOW, you are making a MORAL argument. This only proves my point - moral standards are built into you (& everyone else) whether you know it or not. They're not relative - they're a solid part of human nature. In fact, you can't make any argument at all about humans without talking about morals. It's part of our DNA.
@antonyhamill sorry...1 more pt. re: you being a communist: I would guess that you're a theoretical communist, not a practical communist. Practical communists don't argue with dissent - they quash it, either by outright murder or imprisonment or (in countries where they don't hold power) by denouncement & expulsion from the fold.
It probably won't come off this way to you, but I'm actually trying to pay you a compliment :)
@AlienScientist666 And you can't read, apparently. "MORALLY SPEAKING" Morally. Now I know it's one of those big words so I'll explain. "Morally" means "right and wrong." Example: it's "wrong" to engineer a famine, or hold show trials and executions, or to murder POW's, or to work prisoners to death in the Siberian tundra. It's also "wrong" to use a word degrading to women. Conversely, it's "right" to honor the memory of Stalin's victims, not lionize their butcher. Got that pumpkin?
@AlienScientist666 Oh, and by the way, you're wrong on political grounds as well. The National Socialists weren't right-wing or left-wing. They were just evil and batshit crazy. The whole "Nazi's are right-wing" thing was started by the LOVABLE WOULDN'T-HURT-A-FLY-INSPIRATION-FOR-SANTA guy himself, Joe Stalin. (victims: 3-20 million), who called all his enemies "fascists", including Trotsky--and mindless lefties like you have been parroting it ever since. Thanks for playing. Buh-bye now.
@jmdomaniii don't be such a pussy, he did great things for USSR u forget that, Hitler made from a poor country one of the most powerful countries in the world in just a few years, look at the USA, bombing Japan is worser than the holocaust imo. We are all humans, we are all the same in a way, so stop writing such pathetic comments...
@bipseh I'm sure many people do. Moral relativism is just so easy, isn't it? It's so much simpler to ignore the sufferings of others. Wait until you're the one suffering, and you are ignored. Then you may have a different opinion.
@DBOwnz What I'm doing is telling the truth. I feel that the victims of Stalin's terror deserve as much. Also I don't think that we're all the same. Stalin wasn't the same as his victims. He was evil, cruel and heartless. They were not.
The fact that you think the bombing of Hiroshima was the same as the Holocaust simply shows your complete ignorance of both events.
What 'great things' did Stalin do for Russia? Do tell me. Go ahead. I'm waiting.
@jmdomaniii Well to start with... he won ww2, by letting Zhukov do what he wanted to do and sorry the bombing was worse than the holocaust, u were right
I'll answer you to that question. What great things did he do? How about turning an underdeveloped rural country into an industrial superpower? How about providing free healthcare and high quality education for everyone? How about increasing life standards for most of the soviet people? Not to forget, the industrial base built under Stalin's rule was crucial for defeating the nazis. Wanna more or still not enough?
@Subliminalverse13 I'm sorry. I should have been more clear. I meant FACTS, not happy pictures from make-believe land - where "indoctrination" = "high-quality education", etc. Yes, Stalin helped destroy Hitler. He kinda didn't have a choice since Hitler was trying to destroy him. That doesn't make him any less of a murderous bastard. If you still think it was so great living under the commies, go ahead and try it. But I suggest you read some of George Orwell's books first.
"After the communist takeover of power the life expectancy for all age groups went up. A newborn child in 1926-27 had a life expectancy of 44.4 years, up from 32.3 years thirty years before. In 1958-59 the life expectancy for newborns went up to 68.6 years." - thats a FACT from the wikipedia (hope u dont accuse wiki for being filocomunist).
My parents actually lived under the "commies" u hate so much, and u know what? It was better then nowadays Russia. U could allow your children to go to school alone, without fearing that mafias steal them to sell their kidneys. Income inequality was much lower (there werent 101 billionaires like in nowadays capitalist Russia). There might've been indoctrination but education (specially engineering and technological branches) was high-quality and highly accessible.
@Subliminalverse13 i guess that depends on whose life expectancy you're talking about, hey. my ancestors' life expectancy, for example, plummeted under Soviet occupation.
Well I'm talking about general life expectancy of the soviet population. Russian empire had the lowest life expectancy in Europe (it was like 28-30 years), in the 50's it raised to 65+ years or so.
But I understand that you hate Stalin if your family suffered under his rule... Where do your ancestors come from?
I know socialism had a lot of flaws, but it also had a lot of advantages actually. So in order to judge it properly, u should make an unbiased balance between those advantages and the disadvantages, instead of reading demagogic anti-soviet propaganda. At least thats my opinion. Greetings
@regelemihai stfu redneck, ur ppl killed like 400.000 Japanese ppl in 1 second. The Germans killed maybe 6million but in 5 years. Imagine if the USA kept that level of killing, they would have killed 63.000.000.000.000 after 5 years...
63 trillion people, wow! I always thought the world had close to 5 billion, but since I'm talking to a deranged moron I know these types of arguments might pop-up.
Well we're comparing apples to apples here. If the Germans killed 8 million minorities, and the Americans killed 400,00 Japanese, it is idiotic of you to say that the bombing of Japan was worse.
Plus, don't forget, over 50,000 were killed in the Blitz by Hitler, and he didn't even have a nuclear bomb! lol.
@DBOwnz wtf? The nukes of Japan were detonated FOR A REASON, to end the aggression of the warring country Japan and to prevent a wide scale invasion of Japan saving many American lives. The Holocaust? The mass genocide of human beings? For what reason? You are an idiot. Also the ratio of deaths from the nuke to the Holocaust doesn't even compare.
@DBOwnz The genocide of millions of people in death camps was for what reason? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME (u shoulda done so in your previous reply). Also, I mentioned the Holocaust because you were comparing it to the nuking of Japan earlier.
I'm slightly interested in your seemingly ridiculous logic.
@risingphoenix86 because jews were bad ppl to Hitler and the Nazis, why u bomb innocent citizens? Im not even interested in ur ridiculous answer, go play pokemon, apparently pokemon black or white or whatever colour is out.
@DBOwnz Obviously you are changing the subject because you know your logic has been proven idiotic. Also FYI, I have already caught a Pikachu and a Squirtle.
@DBOwnz So that makes the nukings of Japan worse? You are justifying the blatant massacre of people because Hitler thought they were evil, yet they didn't do anything to him? The bombs did kill innocent people but Hitler killed way more. I'm not even going to reply to your next comment because you are so jacked up.
Stalin wasn't Jewish; he was raised Christian and went on to become a priest despite his father's wishes. While he was in the academy, however, he became frustrated with their strict teachings and rebelled by reading forbidden literature, leading him to Marxism and whatnot. I love how ignorant most of you bastards are as you rant and rave about things your little school teacher or white supremacist grandfather told you. Do some genuine research before you open your mouths.
@AnnoyingTypoSyndrome No he wasn't. Wasn't Christian, either (raised Christian, but rejected it). Um... and it wouldn't make a lick of difference if he was. He was still a murderous bastard.
@ss90ss444 No he wasn't. He was about a thousand times more brutal. Not a fan of the Tsars (who is?) but don't cheapen the suffering of Stalin's victims by downgrading how truly evil he was.
I have seen a society without ritualized shows of respect for people with power. it's called america.we live in a country that no one respects anyone no more it's all about greed.and being lazy and take free hand outs from our government.we're not the same nation as we were 60 years ago
this was real, stalin was so feared, people would not want to stop clapping first because of the irrational and sporadic behavior of stalin against the smallest paranoia. this is only one of the many times stalin had to use a buzzer to tell the people to sit down.
if the buzzer's fake, that's a pretty damn good piece of fakery
but really, people were so afraid of Stalin and his purges, sometimes an applause would go on for hours because everyone was afraid to be the first one to stop clapping
Well, Stalin was narcissistic enough to let that happen, not to mention did you notice he had a bottle of vodka with him? Now this is just my opinion, but standing in the middle of a room with people applauding you on all sides and drinking some vodka sounds like a pretty good time to me
That was not vodka you stupid fuck face, Stalin NEVER drank vodka at that time, let alone during meetings and speaking events, he barely ever drank and when he did it was very light Georgian wine of which he drank very little, the man was a workaholic and notorious insomniac, he would be found working in the middle of the night often. Get your fucking facts right it was likely mineral water.
Defending a communist now, are ya? And not just a communist, but the original Stlainist. One of history's worst mass murderers (only Mao beat him). Why are you shouting (through the written word) at me for cracking wise about getting applauded for hours on end and having some decent vodka?
Go ahead and make yourself look stupid, I really don't care, I mean it's easy to get away with talking shit about Stalin or Mao without having to show any proof because it's still somewhat fashionable.
Sir, you are a Richard. You are defending hardline dictators who between the two of them probably killed 100 million people. They are tied for first place on History's Worst People list. So long as The Beatles are popular, it will be both fashionable and historically correct to bad mouth those two figures.
okay you are certifiably insane. Not only do you think the Beatles suck but you say that when you add up the total kills of Stalin/Mao you don't get at least 100 million? You are crazy! And unfortunately, you get to vote.
My father has almost every single original record of The Beatles and I find all of their songs boring, repetitive and lacking in any conscious social or worthwhile political message beyond individualism. You can not certify someone insane because they don't like your taste of music. How fascist of you! Now you can show some proof of 100 million mark, I promise you it's 100% bullshit lies made up by fascists and repeated by capitalists. There is no proof of any of this. I've hosted studies on it.
@jmdomaniii I doubt you have done anything anywhere near what Stalin has for the world. You are probably sitting in your underwear right now eating cheesies.
@marcelthemaoist Apparently you approve and cheer what Josef Stalin "has done for the world". That puts me and you on opposite sides of a great moral chasm. On my side are most decent, ordinary human beings. On your side are the murderers, the tyrants, and the craven. There's nothing more we can say to each other.
@frenchstudentA That's not true lol. People respected Stalin. They believed in what he said and that is why they clapped "for hours." Our people are proud. We are not fascists who cringe at the sight of glory.
@GodG4m3r : No you are not facists, but you were communists! There are two types of leaders: those who lead by example and inspiration, and those who lead by fear and intimidation. Which one was Stalin do you think? Let's keep in mind that he executed millions and sentenced many more to the gulag in his purges, and he starved 10 million Ukranians in one year because they got a bit uppity.
@frenchstudentA You have to realize what you are saying about "two types of leaders" is an informal fallacy. No leader is perfect. I could correct it by saying that their are two types of leaders: those that get things done, and those that don't, but even that is a brash generalization. Politics can be polarizing, but which type of politician is more successful during a WORLD WAR? How do you lead by EXAMPLE in dire times? Do you "inspire" the fascists to stop making lampshades out of children?
@GodG4m3r : well of course nobody is perfect and everyone falls in between, but I'm talking in terms of archetypes. You are correct in your broad description of leaders as well, and I would say Stalin was a leader who got things done, but he got them done through fear. If you want to see how a leader inspires men in dire times, lookup the St. Crispin's Day Speech on youtube, or read/listen to some Churchill speeches
@frenchstudentA Churchhill was the badass leader of Britain though, which was already a "superpower." Stalin had a lot on his plate: the death of Lenin/power struggles within the party, war, stupid peasants refusing to participate in collectivization (and ultimately dying because of government-induced famines to feed everyone else). The Communists knew what was supposed to be done, as you can see with the overall success of The Five-Year Plans. The problem was that there was so much dissent.
@frenchstudentA Are you aware of how many crazy, dissenting, TEA party members there are in America? Personally, I wouldn't care if their right to vote was suppressed. It would be better for everyone. Czarist Russia was much worse than Communism. That's what the whole October Revolution was about. Again, you are resorting to futile-dissing tactics :]
@GodG4m3r : Whenever people are not happy, there is dissent, but more to the point, MILLIONS of people did not starve to death in Czarist Russia, MILLIONS of people were not imprisoned for their political beliefs (and more commonly, mere suspicion) in Czarist Russia. By no means was it a picnic, but it was better than Stalinist Russia. I just cannot comprehend, however, how you can defend Soviet Russia for anything.
I don't know if you understand English but just in case you do,you are wrong, Stalin was a mass murder not a great man,if only von Ribbentrop and Schellenberg had shot the bastard as planned !
@drmoogala Excuse me. You seem to think that "mass murderer" is a bad thing. Hitler was also a mass murderer. Therefore, your comment is incoherant!
Heil Maximillian Kolbe! Heil the heroes of the Warsaw Ghetto! Heil Bonhoeffer! Heil Solzhenitsyn! May the memory of them live forever - and may the memory of their butchers be effaced from the earth!
How is the video propaganda? All it says is that nobody wanted be the first one to stop clapping so they had to install a buzzer to get people to STFU. People could be afraid for their lives, or they could honestly like Stalin that much, or they could merely do it because it is polite. I haven't seen a society without ritualized shows of respect for people with power.
@Slaviccommie Such was the nature of the terror regime propagated by Stalin that no one dared to be the first to stop applauding, for being afraid of getting arrested and disappearing into the gulag.
are you that big of a moron. Of course Stalin murdered those who did not adore him. Shit he even erased people out of famous photos and if you pointed it out you were killed. lean about the Soviet history. Read Gulag Archipelago and you will see. Some people even had heart attacks and died applauding like this.
Gulag Archipelago is one of the biggest bullcrap books ever written in human history. So sad how people believe in things without any scientific value.
There is a HUGE difference between the picture created of Stalin in schoolbooks, popular books and on tv, and the scientific information about him. Historians generally agree he was a dictator. But VERY few historians believe in the idiocy that he just killed everyone who didn't like him. If so, Bukharin would have died YEARS earlier than he did.
@fokkhof2 Good! You've admitted that (a) Stalin was a dictator, and (b) he killed at least one person (Bukharin). Now if only you admit to the existence of the Gulag, the Ukrainian genocide by starvation, the 100,000 zeks who died building the White Sea-Baltic Canal, and the grotesque cult of personality, you'll be making progress!
@fokkhof2 So WHY is it bullcrap? Do you have evidence that it's bullcrap? (Just so you know, "I don't like it because it punctures my pre-conceived notions about Stalin") doesn't constitute evidence.
@Judenraus18 I agree with everything you said, but judging by your user name you're a big fan of the pencil dick cowardly murderer of children, Adolph Hitler...so you have no right to talk. I pray you visit a rabbi and his knife slips.
Many people showed their emotions to Stalin and he didnt kill them, in fact he liked them more because he saw them as honest. However, people would not stop clapping because they simply wanted to prove "loyalty." Else it was also because they were afraid of him. Of course, Stalin wouldnt kill people for such shallow reasons, he wasnt a lunatic.
Well yes probably there are a lot amongst them who just want Stalin to think they're loyal, but I think this is the Bolstoi Theatre speech and I'm quite sure the majority of the people there was really happy with the new constitution and the supposed victory of socialism in the USSR...
@fokkhof2 I know it's hard to believe, but it really did happen. Multiple people have testified to this. People were sent away for trifles all the time. However, if you have a muddled sense of what evil is, it's hard to recognize it when you see it. Thus we have people who call SUV's "evil" but don't bat an eye when Stalin snuffs out 3 million lives and enslaves a nation.
sounds like this piece is Nazi propaganda.
vijaykraj 1 month ago
When people advocate socialism do they realize this is what it looks like?
phil8888 1 month ago
/watch?v=_mXTp4h09TM
DackIsBack 2 months ago
Trotsky at 0:38?
bfoaliali 4 months ago
@bfoaliali That's Kalinin
crazycamel345 4 months ago
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TheServiceWeb 5 months ago
Another Russian American who says his parents had it better under socialism, who's parents agree
TheTranceCartel 6 months ago
Why does this remind me of all the standing ovations Bush used to get in Congress?
33hegemon 6 months ago 6
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khargooshkhargoosh 6 months ago
The White House Press corps from the major networks, cable stations, newspapers and magazines ALREADY act like this, without the threat of GULAG.
"In Obama's New Normal, Press Corps purges YOU!"
inschl 7 months ago
Buzzer means shut the fuck up, Stalin is talking.
MaoistRebelNews2 7 months ago 14
Bring back the buzzer!
eladsinned 8 months ago
No other dictator I know used a buzzer
JosephStalin11 8 months ago
@JosephStalin11
I agree - even Hitler did not use a buzzer.
tacotony24 8 months ago
Check out Uncle Joe making them wait while he arranges his papers, pours himself a glass, looks about one last time...
eladsinned 8 months ago
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Hitler did not need a buzzer
614streets 8 months ago
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TRUTH ABOUT STALIN
(I am Historian, have master's degree on Russian history)
Comrade Stalin killed lot of traitors in Communist Party
Bad people joined the party because they wanted to make career.
They searched "enemies of nation" and killed them - to earn reputation!
Example:Khrushchev killed thousands of innocent Ukraine people,
and wanted kill more, but Stalin send him letter with words "Stop that, idiot!"
After the death of Stalin, Khrushchev came to power and blamed Stalin for all crimes
radiowavers 8 months ago
The so-called millions of deaths of Stalin were in fact the deaths caused by western invasion and arming and financially supporting old tsarist & militarist class to create ARMIES (!) against the young USSR- killing, burning down fields, destroying agricultural machinery. Read the book Ludo martens "another view of stalin" There is a complete and free PDF-download link of the text in English in wikipedia. Do not stay with always single-sided information.
edgar0001 9 months ago
Comrade Stalin, the great hero of communism!
stureremil1942 9 months ago
@Bl4ckR0ck I'm tempted not to reply but this is just too fun. I'm sure in magical Commie land where the flowers bloom red and the birds sing the Internationale and the Jolly Karl Marx gives a copy of Das Kapital to every good little girl and boy every December 14, the accusations again dear kindly Uncle Joe have been "disproven." Out here in what I like to call "reality" we are still nettled by the uncomfortable fact that 3 to 60 million people mysteriously konked out while Joe was in charge.
jmdomaniii 11 months ago
@jmdomaniii 3 to 60? What a precision research.
stureremil1942 9 months ago
@stureremil1942 Actually I was trying to be as precise as possible. 3 million was the lowest estimate I could find for the number of Stalin's victims. 60 million was the highest estimate. Let's be generous to old Joe. He only killed 3 million.
Hmmm...yep. Still a monster.
jmdomaniii 9 months ago
@jmdomaniii No monster! This was victims of class struggle.
stureremil1942 9 months ago
Stalin personally raped a billion babies. I found it on wikipedia
stickman47487 11 months ago
@stickman47487 Nope, he couldn't get it up that long. However, lots of people in Russia seem to have mysteriously...um...died about that time. Some starved to death slowly. Some were placed in work camps and also died. Maybe because they had to work outside in Siberia during the winter. Also, a lot of folks mysteriously ended up with bullets in their brains in places like Katyn forest. And Joe Stalin just happened to be head honcho of Russia at the time. Hmm. maybe 2+2 equals... 4?
jmdomaniii 11 months ago
Stalin personally shot a billion people. information is 100%
Raptor777socialism 1 year ago
@Raptor777socialism Yeah. 100% false. A billion people? WTF?
RedShadow1917 1 year ago
@Raptor777socialism LOL!
OperatorCN 1 year ago
@Raptor777socialism Um...what's your point? Are you proposing that Stalin didn't kill anybody? Not even one? Not even a thousand? What exactly goes on in your head that you feel impelled to defend Stalin? His charming personality? His adorable mustache?
You fascinate me.
jmdomaniii 11 months ago
Long live great Stalin, the Father of Peoples!
RusuLokys 1 year ago
I'm sorry, but is Stalin pouring himself booze at the outset of his speech? Gee, the Russians really do have an alcohol problem. You never saw Hitler knock back a schnapps at the closing ceremonies of the Nuremburg rallies.
NoJeanNoMoney1 1 year ago
Actually, nearly 99% of Stalin closes associates were executed. I mean, not many were spared.
SteveSmith26 1 year ago
lose your head for real if you dont keep clapping, i think kim jong il does this same thing
Phoneman22 1 year ago
stalin has my respect though!
salsancheznumber1fan 1 year ago
This is pure anti-soviet propaganda.
Stasi78 1 year ago
@Stasi78 Yep! Sure is! I love anti-soviet propaganda! You know the big difference between it and SOVIET propaganda? It's true! You commies should try it some time!
jmdomaniii 11 months ago
LOL
xn117 1 year ago
I think this is exagearated, maybe people really wanted to clap for him?
muimrm 1 year ago
@Bl4ckR0ck Um. So your point must be that....the crimes of Stalin and other communists are a fantasy, generated by a shadowy conspiracy of the "corporate media" (whoever they are).
I see no difference between your argument and that of the Holocaust deniers - except that you replace "Jewish Worldwide Conspiracy" with "Corporate Media Conspiracy." Both are equally grotesque, absurd and insulting to the memories of the dead.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@Bl4ckR0ck Apparently you think that typing the words "corporate" and "media" next to each other adds up to a brilliant point. Actually, I'm not sure it adds up to a coherent thought. Try again, please.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@Bl4ckR0ck We ain't so stupid that we've forgotton about the Black Marias, the gulags, the zeks, the slaughters, the starving Ukrainian children, and the Purges.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
It's very depressing to read these comments and realize how many people out there feel obligated to defend a mass murderer. And you fucking anti-Semites are just as bad. Morally speaking, communism = Naziism.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@jmdomaniii No. Stalinism=Nazism NOT communism.
antonyhamill 1 year ago
@antonyhamill W. all due respect - no. "Stalinism" is just a dodge. The evil of Communism didn't come w. Stalin - its inherent. The Cheka (pre-curser to KGB) was founded under LENIN, not Stalin. 100 million deaths later, it should be clear that its rotten. Communism & Nazism are both poisonous Utopian ideologies that have spurred mass murder, slavery and misery. Both rely on the demonization of minorities, whether it's the Jews or the Kulaks. Both reject all morality in favor of the "cause."
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@jmdomaniii I am aware of soviet history. Communism is just as bad as capitalism. Capitalists kill innocents for oil and justify it by pretending they are the good guys. the evil of any system is subjective. Capitalists, communists and nazis all thought they were good-guys.
antonyhamill 1 year ago
@antonyhamill Every country does evil things that they can rationalize to themselves.
It is quite a reach from that to saying that evil is subjective. That basically is saying morality doesn't exist and it's OK to do whatever you want.
incantar 1 year ago
@incantar Morality and the definition of evil is the most subjective thing possible. what is morally wrong for you or your countrymen (e.g. stoning women for witchcraft) would be the norm in other countries. There are no fixed morals for humanity. Never have been, never will be.
antonyhamill 1 year ago
@antonyhamill Nonsense. Every society in history has had moral standards, and they always hold common threads. Ex: Courage better than cowardice. Truth better than lies. No society has HELD to their standard, but the standard is always there. When a society breaks the standard, it always is compelled to make an excuse: "It's for the cause" or (in your example) "Theses witches are evil devil worshippers." No society has ever said, "What we're doing is evil, but we'll do it anyway."
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@jmdomaniii I disagree. Their is no human moral standard and the differing laws in differing countries proves that. In some countries you may have more than one wife, men can rape their wives legally and ages of consent sre vastly different. Some countries have a death penalty others don't, morals are utterly subjective. courage is not a moral it's a virtue.
antonyhamill 1 year ago
@antonyhamill But they don't CALL it "rape". (although it is of course). They find a euphemism. The very existence of euphemism indicates that the moral standards are there, rooted deep in the psyche of every human. There are humans without moral standards - sociopaths. That's why they're guilt-free. Guilt (a feeling that you've broken a moral standard) is a universal phenomenon.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@jmdomaniii The euphemism is irrelevant. The fact that is legal to do so in some countries shows a differing maoral standard from our own.
antonyhamill 1 year ago
@antonyhamill You're confusing legality with morality. Legality (i.e. state-sponsored violence) is built on ethics (or it should be) but they are not same. Some acts are immoral but not illegal - like cheating on your wife. Some acts are illegal but not immoral - like defying unjust laws. What you should be asking is what happens when the link between Law and Ethics is completely severed - when Law becomes only a tool for the powerful. Thats when you get the death camps - and the gulags.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@antonyhamill If you talk about "bad" then you're admitting that moral standards exist. But comparing Cmsm. and Capitalism is comparing apples w. pebbles. Communism is an all-ecompassing view of world - almost a religion. Capitalism is a technique for making money. There are good capitalists and bad capitalists, because there are good & bad humans. But Communism makes you bad-because its a bad faith.
Anyway this is moot since you already agree with my orgnl point - that Communism=Nazism morally
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@jmdomaniii My moral standard differentiates good from bad. But that is subjective as my version of good and bad is different to some other persons. I have views on what I personally think is bad. As does everyone else. Their is no moral standard. Communism does not = nazism. Your point that Lenin started the terror is true, but look at the situation subjectively, He was in the middle of a civl wart and the people had thrown of years of oppression and wanted revenge, also, prison camps Cont..
antonyhamill 1 year ago
@antonyhamill - my point is that EVERYBODY has an IDEA of "good" and "bad." - and there are more similarities than differences in what everyone thinks "good" means. In addition, EVERYONE wants to think that they are "good." Even Lenin and Hitler thought that they were doing "good". But these men had deformed consciences. The presence of deformed morals does not prove that morals don't exist. Saying 2+2=5 doesn't disprove arithmetic.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@jmdomaniii existed under the imperial regime so you can hardly blame Lenin for doing the same. Anyway, I'm not saying I agree with what he did but he did it, and probably thought it was the right thing to do. Proof that morals are subjective.
antonyhamill 1 year ago
@antonyhamill If there is no moral standard, then whether you agree or disagree is pointless. But there is. Name me one society that honors traitors or exalts cowardice (explicitly) Every human being (excepting sociopaths) has a conscience. Whether it came from God or nature isn't my point - the point is that having a conscience is part of being human. Saying "there are different kinds of apples" doesn't prove that apples don't exist. The same with moral standards.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@jmdomaniii With all due respect bravery (the opposite of cowardice) has nothing to do with morals. Morals are, I would say how we would deal with situations in the "right" way. My version would probably be the same of yours but I bet their would be grey areas in a lot of things. Sure it's easy for me to say "slavery is wrong" but just over 200 years ago slavery was morally acceptable in a lot of countries. I think this is definite evidence of no definitive moral standard. morals are *continued*
antonyhamill 1 year ago
@antonyhamill *cont* sex is not a good example to prove ALL morality is relative. Of course, I DO make the absolute statement that there is a underlying, simple moral code that all humans have built into them. Truth > lies. Love > Hate. Fair > Unfair. I'm not being hypocritical - I think this is one of the rare absolute statements that are actually true.
Example of something that IS relative: Music. Every culture (and most humans) have different tastes in music. Ultimately there is.... *cont*
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@antonyhamill Very true re: slavery. But my view is that slavery was, is, and always will be wrong, no matter what people think. The moral code hasn't changed - people's adherence to it has.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@jmdomaniii Constantly evolving and changing in every society and culture at different times and no two societies will have the same moral standards. Look at how homosexuals are viewed (generally) in England compared to the U.S. In England nobody cares about gays getting married at all (apart from a tiny minority) and are free to do so yet in the U.S. they are still villified to a much higher degree. The morals standards are different. I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
antonyhamill 1 year ago
@antonyhamill you are right in that bravery isn't the best example. Try truth. Why do lie detectors work? Because nearly all humans have a compulsive revulsion to lying - manifested by quickened heart rate, etc.
My contention was always with your absolute statement that moral standards are COMPLETELY relative. Your mistake is 1. making an absolute statement and 2. in in your examples. They're mostly related to sexuality. Sexuality is one of the thorniest & complicated parts of morality. *cont*
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@jmdomaniii To be fair I think we are both guilty of making an absolute statement. I do not, in any way shape or form condone what Stalin did but at heart, communism if done correctly, (which I admit is probably impossible due to human greed) would be the best system as it's basic tenet is fairness to all. This is the communism that I believe in but do admit seems impossible. If there was confusion that I agreed with Stalinism I apologise.
antonyhamill 1 year ago
@antonyhamill *cont 2* Sex is a bad example to argue moral standards are completely relative - it's too complicated. The moral standards that are universal are things like Truth > Lies, Love > Hate. these are built into the human psyche (or soul, as I would say, being R. Catholic) and aren't relative. I know, that's an absolute statement - but its one of the few that really ARE absolute.
Example of something that IS relative: taste in music. There's no "good" or "bad" music.... *cont*
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@antonyhamill *cont 3* taste in music, art and fashion is relative. There's no "code" behind it. What's good music for the average Mongolian is awful music for the average German. But both would agree that you shouldn't torture children...or burn down a hospital...or betray your friend. And even if they didn't, it would still be true.
My last word. Good talking to you dude. Made me think. Hopefully the feeling's mutual.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@jmdomaniii Their are good and bad humans and good and bad communists. Communism is not nazism. Public libraries are communist. public schools are communist. same for the fire service and the police. should we pay for each of these services only when we need them? NO. lets do it the communal way and make them available to everyone.
"Communism makes you bad-because its a bad faith. " No it doesn't. I'm a communist and I'm not bad. Point proven.
antonyhamill 1 year ago
@antonyhamill Um..no. Public services are not communist. You seem to think there are only two extremes - pure anarchy or pure control. Not enough room here to define communism - look it up on Wikipedia.
I can't say whether you're a bad person - only that you are wrong. I think communism is bad because Communists killed 100 million people. That's bad.
One thing I do know is that you definitely don't live in a communist country - or have talked to refugees from communism. I suggest that you do.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@jmdomaniii Capitalists enslaved entire villages for prfit but are you gonna judge all capitalists on that? Don't generalise.
antonyhamill 1 year ago
@antonyhamill Sorry if I sounded preachy there. My point was that you seem a little to cavalier about the results of communism. I have friends whose parents and grandparents were imprisoned and murdered by communists - so it was disturbing to me. But I do still think that those call themselves communists (as you do) need to confront the results of their philosophy when it's applied.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@antonyhamill another pt. re: your libraries comment - by saying we do it communally instead of "because we need it", you are making an argument for unselfishness vs. selfishness. IOW, you are making a MORAL argument. This only proves my point - moral standards are built into you (& everyone else) whether you know it or not. They're not relative - they're a solid part of human nature. In fact, you can't make any argument at all about humans without talking about morals. It's part of our DNA.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@antonyhamill sorry...1 more pt. re: you being a communist: I would guess that you're a theoretical communist, not a practical communist. Practical communists don't argue with dissent - they quash it, either by outright murder or imprisonment or (in countries where they don't hold power) by denouncement & expulsion from the fold.
It probably won't come off this way to you, but I'm actually trying to pay you a compliment :)
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@jmdomaniii communism = naziism? stupid cunt, you dont know right from left
AlienScientist666 11 months ago
@AlienScientist666 And you can't read, apparently. "MORALLY SPEAKING" Morally. Now I know it's one of those big words so I'll explain. "Morally" means "right and wrong." Example: it's "wrong" to engineer a famine, or hold show trials and executions, or to murder POW's, or to work prisoners to death in the Siberian tundra. It's also "wrong" to use a word degrading to women. Conversely, it's "right" to honor the memory of Stalin's victims, not lionize their butcher. Got that pumpkin?
jmdomaniii 11 months ago
@AlienScientist666 Oh, and by the way, you're wrong on political grounds as well. The National Socialists weren't right-wing or left-wing. They were just evil and batshit crazy. The whole "Nazi's are right-wing" thing was started by the LOVABLE WOULDN'T-HURT-A-FLY-INSPIRATION-FOR-SANTA guy himself, Joe Stalin. (victims: 3-20 million), who called all his enemies "fascists", including Trotsky--and mindless lefties like you have been parroting it ever since. Thanks for playing. Buh-bye now.
jmdomaniii 11 months ago
@jmdomaniii from united states eh? yeah watch out, they seem to like killing there own people too, maybe not in there 'millions' but still numbers
AlienScientist666 11 months ago
@jmdomaniii don't be such a pussy, he did great things for USSR u forget that, Hitler made from a poor country one of the most powerful countries in the world in just a few years, look at the USA, bombing Japan is worser than the holocaust imo. We are all humans, we are all the same in a way, so stop writing such pathetic comments...
DBOwnz 10 months ago
@DBOwnz I agree with you. 100%
bipseh 10 months ago
@bipseh I'm sure many people do. Moral relativism is just so easy, isn't it? It's so much simpler to ignore the sufferings of others. Wait until you're the one suffering, and you are ignored. Then you may have a different opinion.
jmdomaniii 9 months ago
@DBOwnz What I'm doing is telling the truth. I feel that the victims of Stalin's terror deserve as much. Also I don't think that we're all the same. Stalin wasn't the same as his victims. He was evil, cruel and heartless. They were not.
The fact that you think the bombing of Hiroshima was the same as the Holocaust simply shows your complete ignorance of both events.
What 'great things' did Stalin do for Russia? Do tell me. Go ahead. I'm waiting.
jmdomaniii 9 months ago
@jmdomaniii Well to start with... he won ww2, by letting Zhukov do what he wanted to do and sorry the bombing was worse than the holocaust, u were right
DBOwnz 9 months ago
@jmdomaniii
I'll answer you to that question. What great things did he do? How about turning an underdeveloped rural country into an industrial superpower? How about providing free healthcare and high quality education for everyone? How about increasing life standards for most of the soviet people? Not to forget, the industrial base built under Stalin's rule was crucial for defeating the nazis. Wanna more or still not enough?
Subliminalverse13 9 months ago
@Subliminalverse13 I'm sorry. I should have been more clear. I meant FACTS, not happy pictures from make-believe land - where "indoctrination" = "high-quality education", etc. Yes, Stalin helped destroy Hitler. He kinda didn't have a choice since Hitler was trying to destroy him. That doesn't make him any less of a murderous bastard. If you still think it was so great living under the commies, go ahead and try it. But I suggest you read some of George Orwell's books first.
jmdomaniii 7 months ago
@jmdomaniii
"After the communist takeover of power the life expectancy for all age groups went up. A newborn child in 1926-27 had a life expectancy of 44.4 years, up from 32.3 years thirty years before. In 1958-59 the life expectancy for newborns went up to 68.6 years." - thats a FACT from the wikipedia (hope u dont accuse wiki for being filocomunist).
Subliminalverse13 7 months ago
@Subliminalverse13
My parents actually lived under the "commies" u hate so much, and u know what? It was better then nowadays Russia. U could allow your children to go to school alone, without fearing that mafias steal them to sell their kidneys. Income inequality was much lower (there werent 101 billionaires like in nowadays capitalist Russia). There might've been indoctrination but education (specially engineering and technological branches) was high-quality and highly accessible.
Subliminalverse13 7 months ago
@Subliminalverse13 i guess that depends on whose life expectancy you're talking about, hey. my ancestors' life expectancy, for example, plummeted under Soviet occupation.
heresynco 7 months ago
@heresynco
Well I'm talking about general life expectancy of the soviet population. Russian empire had the lowest life expectancy in Europe (it was like 28-30 years), in the 50's it raised to 65+ years or so.
But I understand that you hate Stalin if your family suffered under his rule... Where do your ancestors come from?
Subliminalverse13 7 months ago
@jmdomaniii
I know socialism had a lot of flaws, but it also had a lot of advantages actually. So in order to judge it properly, u should make an unbiased balance between those advantages and the disadvantages, instead of reading demagogic anti-soviet propaganda. At least thats my opinion. Greetings
Subliminalverse13 7 months ago
@DBOwnz
A pathetic comment is to say that the bombing of Japan is worse than the Holocaust which took the lives of over 6 million Jews and 2 million Gypsies.
What a moron you are.
regelemihai 9 months ago
@regelemihai stfu redneck, ur ppl killed like 400.000 Japanese ppl in 1 second. The Germans killed maybe 6million but in 5 years. Imagine if the USA kept that level of killing, they would have killed 63.000.000.000.000 after 5 years...
What a dickhead you are.
DBOwnz 9 months ago
63 trillion people, wow! I always thought the world had close to 5 billion, but since I'm talking to a deranged moron I know these types of arguments might pop-up.
Well we're comparing apples to apples here. If the Germans killed 8 million minorities, and the Americans killed 400,00 Japanese, it is idiotic of you to say that the bombing of Japan was worse.
Plus, don't forget, over 50,000 were killed in the Blitz by Hitler, and he didn't even have a nuclear bomb! lol.
Run along now.
regelemihai 9 months ago
@regelemihai ok whatever, go exterminate indians or sumthing else what u peeps do in america...
DBOwnz 9 months ago
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regelemihai 9 months ago
@DBOwnz wtf? The nukes of Japan were detonated FOR A REASON, to end the aggression of the warring country Japan and to prevent a wide scale invasion of Japan saving many American lives. The Holocaust? The mass genocide of human beings? For what reason? You are an idiot. Also the ratio of deaths from the nuke to the Holocaust doesn't even compare.
risingphoenix86 9 months ago
@risingphoenix86 holocaust is also with a reason and why u comment about the holocaust on a vid of stalin?
DBOwnz 9 months ago
@DBOwnz The genocide of millions of people in death camps was for what reason? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME (u shoulda done so in your previous reply). Also, I mentioned the Holocaust because you were comparing it to the nuking of Japan earlier.
I'm slightly interested in your seemingly ridiculous logic.
risingphoenix86 9 months ago
@risingphoenix86 because jews were bad ppl to Hitler and the Nazis, why u bomb innocent citizens? Im not even interested in ur ridiculous answer, go play pokemon, apparently pokemon black or white or whatever colour is out.
DBOwnz 9 months ago
@DBOwnz So all of a sudden 5 million Jews that Hitler killed werent innocent people? Me playing Pokemon is irrelevant to this subject.
You are so stupid. Do you think you are smart? hm?
risingphoenix86 9 months ago
@risingphoenix86 indeed :) and i suggest u catch pikachu or squirtle or whatever xD haha
DBOwnz 9 months ago
@DBOwnz Obviously you are changing the subject because you know your logic has been proven idiotic. Also FYI, I have already caught a Pikachu and a Squirtle.
risingphoenix86 9 months ago
@risingphoenix86 no i said they were killed because they were evil to the NSDAP, learn to read instead of playing pokémon, fool.
DBOwnz 9 months ago
@DBOwnz So that makes the nukings of Japan worse? You are justifying the blatant massacre of people because Hitler thought they were evil, yet they didn't do anything to him? The bombs did kill innocent people but Hitler killed way more. I'm not even going to reply to your next comment because you are so jacked up.
risingphoenix86 9 months ago
@risingphoenix86 who are you to judge about this? And i'm not replying to a kid who knows nothing about history.
DBOwnz 9 months ago
Stalin wasn't Jewish; he was raised Christian and went on to become a priest despite his father's wishes. While he was in the academy, however, he became frustrated with their strict teachings and rebelled by reading forbidden literature, leading him to Marxism and whatnot. I love how ignorant most of you bastards are as you rant and rave about things your little school teacher or white supremacist grandfather told you. Do some genuine research before you open your mouths.
xjessiebelle 1 year ago 7
Amazin ghow everyone bangs on about hitler, when stalin was much worse, by all accounts.
Oh, hang on, stalin was a JEW, though, so no one can criticise him - JEEEEEW !!
AnnoyingTypoSyndrome 1 year ago
@AnnoyingTypoSyndrome No he wasn't. Wasn't Christian, either (raised Christian, but rejected it). Um... and it wouldn't make a lick of difference if he was. He was still a murderous bastard.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
Is that a Vodka bottle or a bottle of georgian wine in the video? Georgians do make good wine.
ss90ss444 1 year ago
@NoOcean
No. It seems to be Mikhail Kalinin.
ss90ss444 1 year ago
@NoOcean Of course not, its Mikhail Kalinin.
Stasi78 1 year ago
hahaha is that for real? I know the bastard was worship in Russland but a speech buzzer? Damn!
But Stalin was just like all other brutal russian leaders before him.
ss90ss444 1 year ago
@ss90ss444 No he wasn't. He was about a thousand times more brutal. Not a fan of the Tsars (who is?) but don't cheapen the suffering of Stalin's victims by downgrading how truly evil he was.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
I have seen a society without ritualized shows of respect for people with power. it's called america.we live in a country that no one respects anyone no more it's all about greed.and being lazy and take free hand outs from our government.we're not the same nation as we were 60 years ago
namffocevets 1 year ago
@namffocevets Comparing "greedy" America with the slave state of the Soviet Union is like comparing a shoplifter to Jeffrey Dahmer. Get a grip, man.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
They used the buzzer to stop applause so the meeting can go on, people looking in to it for other things is just stupid and made up.
marcelthemaoist 2 years ago
LOL
PasswordPower 2 years ago 10
this was real, stalin was so feared, people would not want to stop clapping first because of the irrational and sporadic behavior of stalin against the smallest paranoia. this is only one of the many times stalin had to use a buzzer to tell the people to sit down.
Nationalist1912 2 years ago
this is real, i got an teacher thats is an expert in soviet history, an this is one of the things that he is seing as "weird/terrifying"
jesper27 2 years ago 2
if the buzzer's fake, that's a pretty damn good piece of fakery
but really, people were so afraid of Stalin and his purges, sometimes an applause would go on for hours because everyone was afraid to be the first one to stop clapping
frenchstudentA 2 years ago 16
RY:
Yeah, I've heard about that, too. You don't fuck with Joseph. He's like those New York mafioses trying to pick a bone with you.
rsgrcg 2 years ago 2
you mean the same mafioso's being kicked out by every new ethnic group coming in? lol.
Nationalist1912 2 years ago
Yeah sure, and Stalin just stood there for 2-3 hours, waiting for them to stop applausing right?!
Come on man, get real.
Slaviccommie 2 years ago
Well, Stalin was narcissistic enough to let that happen, not to mention did you notice he had a bottle of vodka with him? Now this is just my opinion, but standing in the middle of a room with people applauding you on all sides and drinking some vodka sounds like a pretty good time to me
frenchstudentA 2 years ago
LOL
Its mineral water....vodka in this time had white bottles.
xxRotxxFront 2 years ago
That was not vodka you stupid fuck face, Stalin NEVER drank vodka at that time, let alone during meetings and speaking events, he barely ever drank and when he did it was very light Georgian wine of which he drank very little, the man was a workaholic and notorious insomniac, he would be found working in the middle of the night often. Get your fucking facts right it was likely mineral water.
marcelthemaoist 2 years ago
Defending a communist now, are ya? And not just a communist, but the original Stlainist. One of history's worst mass murderers (only Mao beat him). Why are you shouting (through the written word) at me for cracking wise about getting applauded for hours on end and having some decent vodka?
frenchstudentA 2 years ago
Go ahead and make yourself look stupid, I really don't care, I mean it's easy to get away with talking shit about Stalin or Mao without having to show any proof because it's still somewhat fashionable.
marcelthemaoist 2 years ago
Sir, you are a Richard. You are defending hardline dictators who between the two of them probably killed 100 million people. They are tied for first place on History's Worst People list. So long as The Beatles are popular, it will be both fashionable and historically correct to bad mouth those two figures.
frenchstudentA 2 years ago
Thankfully, the Beatles suck, and your 100 million # is a complete lie and your history is not correct.
marcelthemaoist 2 years ago
okay you are certifiably insane. Not only do you think the Beatles suck but you say that when you add up the total kills of Stalin/Mao you don't get at least 100 million? You are crazy! And unfortunately, you get to vote.
frenchstudentA 2 years ago
My father has almost every single original record of The Beatles and I find all of their songs boring, repetitive and lacking in any conscious social or worthwhile political message beyond individualism. You can not certify someone insane because they don't like your taste of music. How fascist of you! Now you can show some proof of 100 million mark, I promise you it's 100% bullshit lies made up by fascists and repeated by capitalists. There is no proof of any of this. I've hosted studies on it.
marcelthemaoist 2 years ago
@marcelthemaoist Facist? I thought that would be a compliment, coming from you, judging by your rather disgusting defense of murderous dictators.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@jmdomaniii Thanks for being a fan. BTW you will notice Stalin claps as well, on behalf of the people, whereas fascists just take in the applause.
marcelthemaoist 1 year ago
@marcelthemaoist Ah. He claps, too. That makes it all better. Whatta guy.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@jmdomaniii I suppose you have done better things.
marcelthemaoist 1 year ago
@marcelthemaoist wouldn't be that hard.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@jmdomaniii I doubt you have done anything anywhere near what Stalin has for the world. You are probably sitting in your underwear right now eating cheesies.
marcelthemaoist 1 year ago
@marcelthemaoist Apparently you approve and cheer what Josef Stalin "has done for the world". That puts me and you on opposite sides of a great moral chasm. On my side are most decent, ordinary human beings. On your side are the murderers, the tyrants, and the craven. There's nothing more we can say to each other.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@frenchstudentA That's not true lol. People respected Stalin. They believed in what he said and that is why they clapped "for hours." Our people are proud. We are not fascists who cringe at the sight of glory.
GodG4m3r 1 year ago
@GodG4m3r : No you are not facists, but you were communists! There are two types of leaders: those who lead by example and inspiration, and those who lead by fear and intimidation. Which one was Stalin do you think? Let's keep in mind that he executed millions and sentenced many more to the gulag in his purges, and he starved 10 million Ukranians in one year because they got a bit uppity.
frenchstudentA 1 year ago
@frenchstudentA You have to realize what you are saying about "two types of leaders" is an informal fallacy. No leader is perfect. I could correct it by saying that their are two types of leaders: those that get things done, and those that don't, but even that is a brash generalization. Politics can be polarizing, but which type of politician is more successful during a WORLD WAR? How do you lead by EXAMPLE in dire times? Do you "inspire" the fascists to stop making lampshades out of children?
GodG4m3r 1 year ago
@GodG4m3r : well of course nobody is perfect and everyone falls in between, but I'm talking in terms of archetypes. You are correct in your broad description of leaders as well, and I would say Stalin was a leader who got things done, but he got them done through fear. If you want to see how a leader inspires men in dire times, lookup the St. Crispin's Day Speech on youtube, or read/listen to some Churchill speeches
frenchstudentA 1 year ago
@frenchstudentA Churchhill was the badass leader of Britain though, which was already a "superpower." Stalin had a lot on his plate: the death of Lenin/power struggles within the party, war, stupid peasants refusing to participate in collectivization (and ultimately dying because of government-induced famines to feed everyone else). The Communists knew what was supposed to be done, as you can see with the overall success of The Five-Year Plans. The problem was that there was so much dissent.
GodG4m3r 1 year ago
@GodG4m3r and why do you think there was so much dissent? perhaps because communism sucks even when compared to Czarist Russia?
frenchstudentA 1 year ago
@frenchstudentA Are you aware of how many crazy, dissenting, TEA party members there are in America? Personally, I wouldn't care if their right to vote was suppressed. It would be better for everyone. Czarist Russia was much worse than Communism. That's what the whole October Revolution was about. Again, you are resorting to futile-dissing tactics :]
GodG4m3r 1 year ago
@GodG4m3r : Whenever people are not happy, there is dissent, but more to the point, MILLIONS of people did not starve to death in Czarist Russia, MILLIONS of people were not imprisoned for their political beliefs (and more commonly, mere suspicion) in Czarist Russia. By no means was it a picnic, but it was better than Stalinist Russia. I just cannot comprehend, however, how you can defend Soviet Russia for anything.
frenchstudentA 1 year ago
@GodG4m3r
Churchill sucked as a leader as did Stalin. Lenin and Hitler were the only leaders who could inspire their people to do great things.
ss90ss444 1 year ago
@ss90ss444 Ok Himmler, Step asside Nazi
Dalek1230 1 year ago
@frenchstudentA no he had that buzzer everytime he made a speach because he forced people to like him cause when he was a kid no one liked him
MushroomheadSlipKnoT 1 year ago
Ich bin mir ziemlich sicher,das dieses klingelgeräusch eingefügt wurde.
Denn die Medien lassen nunmal keine gelegenheit für antikommunistischer Propaganda aus!
Stalin war ein großer Mann,und von so einer Vorrichtung hab ich noch nie was gehört.
Dieses Video ist reine antikommunistische Propaganda!
leninstalinmao 2 years ago
I don't know if you understand English but just in case you do,you are wrong, Stalin was a mass murder not a great man,if only von Ribbentrop and Schellenberg had shot the bastard as planned !
Heil Hitler!
drmoogala 2 years ago
@drmoogala Yeah, he was a mass murderer. Guess what? So was Hitler.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@drmoogala Excuse me. You seem to think that "mass murderer" is a bad thing. Hitler was also a mass murderer. Therefore, your comment is incoherant!
Heil Maximillian Kolbe! Heil the heroes of the Warsaw Ghetto! Heil Bonhoeffer! Heil Solzhenitsyn! May the memory of them live forever - and may the memory of their butchers be effaced from the earth!
jmdomaniii 11 months ago
How is the video propaganda? All it says is that nobody wanted be the first one to stop clapping so they had to install a buzzer to get people to STFU. People could be afraid for their lives, or they could honestly like Stalin that much, or they could merely do it because it is polite. I haven't seen a society without ritualized shows of respect for people with power.
incantar 2 years ago
Who Care's russia will be ALL ISLAMIC--ALLAH AHKBAR!!!!
m00se321 1 year ago
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jmdomaniii 1 year ago
That buzzler sounds fake, maybe it was just added to it, west propaganda.
Do You think it is real way to show how you adore your Leader, slapping around and don't let him talk???
Slaviccommie 2 years ago
@Slaviccommie Such was the nature of the terror regime propagated by Stalin that no one dared to be the first to stop applauding, for being afraid of getting arrested and disappearing into the gulag.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
Lol why would they not dare to stop applauding :P you really believe he killed everybody that did not adore him? What an idiocy...
fokkhof2 2 years ago 3
are you that big of a moron. Of course Stalin murdered those who did not adore him. Shit he even erased people out of famous photos and if you pointed it out you were killed. lean about the Soviet history. Read Gulag Archipelago and you will see. Some people even had heart attacks and died applauding like this.
Judenraus18 2 years ago 3
Gulag Archipelago is one of the biggest bullcrap books ever written in human history. So sad how people believe in things without any scientific value.
There is a HUGE difference between the picture created of Stalin in schoolbooks, popular books and on tv, and the scientific information about him. Historians generally agree he was a dictator. But VERY few historians believe in the idiocy that he just killed everyone who didn't like him. If so, Bukharin would have died YEARS earlier than he did.
fokkhof2 2 years ago
@fokkhof2 Good! You've admitted that (a) Stalin was a dictator, and (b) he killed at least one person (Bukharin). Now if only you admit to the existence of the Gulag, the Ukrainian genocide by starvation, the 100,000 zeks who died building the White Sea-Baltic Canal, and the grotesque cult of personality, you'll be making progress!
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@fokkhof2 So WHY is it bullcrap? Do you have evidence that it's bullcrap? (Just so you know, "I don't like it because it punctures my pre-conceived notions about Stalin") doesn't constitute evidence.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
@Judenraus18 I agree with everything you said, but judging by your user name you're a big fan of the pencil dick cowardly murderer of children, Adolph Hitler...so you have no right to talk. I pray you visit a rabbi and his knife slips.
jmdomaniii 11 months ago
Many people showed their emotions to Stalin and he didnt kill them, in fact he liked them more because he saw them as honest. However, people would not stop clapping because they simply wanted to prove "loyalty." Else it was also because they were afraid of him. Of course, Stalin wouldnt kill people for such shallow reasons, he wasnt a lunatic.
Katyusha666 2 years ago
Well yes probably there are a lot amongst them who just want Stalin to think they're loyal, but I think this is the Bolstoi Theatre speech and I'm quite sure the majority of the people there was really happy with the new constitution and the supposed victory of socialism in the USSR...
fokkhof2 2 years ago
@fokkhof2 I know it's hard to believe, but it really did happen. Multiple people have testified to this. People were sent away for trifles all the time. However, if you have a muddled sense of what evil is, it's hard to recognize it when you see it. Thus we have people who call SUV's "evil" but don't bat an eye when Stalin snuffs out 3 million lives and enslaves a nation.
jmdomaniii 1 year ago
Ist es wirklich derart schlimm,das die leute Stalin so sehr bewundern?
LiebknechtLuxemburg 2 years ago
Die habe ihn nicht bewundert, sondern sie hatten alle Angst vor ihm. Meistens wurde der erste der mit dem Klatschen aufhörte am Tag danach verhaftet.
speedy3702 2 years ago
Zwischen Angst und Respekt liegt manchmal nur ein dünner Hauch...
LiebknechtLuxemburg 2 years ago
I'd like some wine before my speeches to!
MentalEmpire 2 years ago 2
change that to vodka, they don't like wine in russia
victor256in 2 years ago
Stalin was Georgian.
Slaviccommie 2 years ago 3
No, Stalin was boozyXDDD
peterd127 2 years