it is interesting to me that irony is such a timely thing, and i wonder about how many things from the past i have guffawed and dismissed because i only saw them without the context and subtleties of their own time. it also makes me wonder about the things that i generally percieve as being purposefuly ironic and sarcastic, and whether abhorrent actions in the past have sometimes been justified by having the sentiments behind them purposefuly presented in such a evasive manner for broad appeal.
It cracks me up when I hear those on the right screaming that they don't want to pay for other peoples shit!
The funny thing is that these people, who stay up at night because they think someone, somewhere is getting something for free, grew up in a country that was built by hard working tax payers, both Liberal and Conservative.
And now that it's their turn to grow up and pay for the common good they want to turn into a nation of one!
If they want to play it like this then next we will have a public option for anything: food, games cars, perfume. Because, like "public food care", it's the same thing as the fire department, RIGHT? No. And btw, we CAN privatize the fire department. It could work like an insurance system. You pay them monthly, lala, you know the deal. It's pretty simple and it's free market.
@u4ia420 They shouldn't but they will. You can help them though, and I will join you. But only to the point where its legal(e.g I don't condone theft, not when made by you, the state or the fire victims.) You get me? Stealin' 's baad.
Single payer systems can be efficient. It basically works as wholesale insurance rates for everyone. Considering that cuba has the same life expectancy as the US, even with our much higher per capita spending , it just shows that as with education spending and military-industrial complex spending, a higher amount of funding does not necessarily make a system more efficient.
If you have a business and the fire marshall comes to visit, and you are not up to code. Guess what they shut you down until you can pay to get if fixed. When you build a house there are codes you have to follow and you have to pay for that. The government doesn't pay? you to fix your problem. So if you compare government funded fire dept to gov run health care, that means all preventive and health problem you have the government will not pay for any of it unless you are dying within hours.
This would be satire, not so much irony. There is irony in it, that some people argue against health care, but will say the fire department idea is ridiculous, but the main theme of the video would be satire, not just irony.
lol i ask myself the same question because apparently capitalism isn't the best solution for everything, because people die everyday from a capitalist health insurance system... but it seems like they think that socialism, or socailst aspects in the system, would destroy their whole way of life, their culture, and their country! lol!
I hear some awesome ideas. Now the secret is out. They have socialized our fire departments? They have taken our freedoms away. What is next socialist police departments. They have done that too? dam.
Lol these people leaving comments are idiots! You think we will bid for fire fighters in a free market? Lol idiots. You mean the same way we bid for tomatoes in the grocery, or bid for computers at best buy, or bid for our plates at restraunts... oh wait, we dont....
actually it's a sad commentary on the state of the political debate in this country currently, that I could get as far as 4:45 and still think it might possibly actually be some teaparty guy being serious.
4:45 ok at this point I'd say I lost all credibility that this guy wasn't joking. When your house is on fire, go to Priceline and bid for firefighting ;)
So really this is a riff on the health care debate pointing out the absurdity of the arguments on the town halls.
Anyone who is still confused about the public option and has questions should visit my profile. In the comment section I have a link to the ez to read version of the bill sent out by congress as well as the answers to many of the most commonly asked questions and several ways in which you can become more involved!
Our entire Military is a Socilalist system. Our housing is paid for, our health care is free, our dental care is free, and they even give us money for food. And guess what...it works!!!
The government should give us food and clothing too! Everything should be free that we need to live. You can't put a value on a life. The people that are forced to pay for it should be happy that they are saving lives, rather that complaining about their petty tax rates. Taxes are the cost of living in a society with live people.
Government run education is excellent. It ensures that all children conform to the norms of society. We need a cohesive society where everyone learns and believes the same things to ensure harmony by reducing the conflict of different ideas, values, and understanding. If we let anyone teach kids we would all have different ideas, standards, versions of history,etc. that can only lead to conflict, mistrust, misunderstanding.... even war.
Although government funded and regulated education doesn't necessary mean government run education I do see what you are picking up on. However any argument against government funded and regulated educations role is complete idiotic. Would you rather have poor children not educated, and the rest be indoctrinated in other manors by whatever absurd form of education their parents enroll them in?
Social cohesion is a inevitable product of organized society and so is the rebellion against it.
Governments fund education to meet education standards that they have the right to set as the funder. Parents should not be allowed to teach their children as they are not trained or licensed to do so. Education is so critical to society that it should be managed and executed by experts not dangerous fringe amateur parents who don't trust the government or certified teachers and are deluded by their own abilities to teach that can only serve to confuse, misled, and impair children.
Although I think in the basic structure of our education should be a strive to create unbiased and not ethnocentric education. Although this is a virtual impossibility to perfect it should be a part of it. Also like anything else the system and teachers could use improvement.
Trust me I am still a student at a public school system and I have seen many of the worst sides of our education system. We need major reform but it is necessary in some form.
Teachers could always use improvement. Of course the problem is that they are underpaid. Teachers shoulder a huge reponsibility to imbibing society with the states values and setting norms. Teachers should be paid at least three times what an auto worker, tax collector, soldier, or a postal employee is paid or other government employees. The unions should gain more control of the education system to make sure it is more efficient. The union knows and cares more about teaching than parents.
I really don't think it should be the role or responsibility to implant any sort of nation values but rather give children the tools to decide for themselves.
I personally think many teachers are overpaid and over-trained for the job most of them do. If we really want a well rounded education for children we need an entire re-work of not only the teachers and the system but our now vintage teaching techniques.
Teachers do implant values in our children and this is the proper role they play for the good of society. Otherwise we risk having parents fill that role who are completely unqualified. Unless you are proposing that parents should receive state approved training and licensing?
Are you saying that the level of pay has nothing to do with the quality of teacher attracted to serve the state? The benefit of education and producing a conforming population around the state ideals is incalculable.
You seem too obsessed with the actual role of the state in education. Let's not forget the sociologist difference between the nation and the state. I do not believe it should be the role of the school to implant ideas into minds, that is by definition brainwashing. Which both schools and parents do practice today. However as I said the role should be to attempt to give them an unbiased understanding of the world to form their own minds.
The state has a clear objective in its involvement in education otherwise it would let the private market serve that need. Education is brainwashing otherwise we would call it learning instead. The states role is to control the population for the good of society. Education is the primary non-violent tool in the sates arsenal to rule the population for the good of the state... so long as you don't refuse to fund it or admit your children.
So once again a libertarian satirist. As I have said this your portrayal of the proper role of education is absurd. Although I would agree our current system is not all that far from that which you depict I am no more pleased with the idiocy parents try to teach their children.
Government funded, openly regulated and socially controlled with the intent to be unbiased. This may be a far shot from where we are.
Take a look at the history of history text books and you will quickly realise that you ideal which is what we apparently have now is fundamentally flawed. You just can't take the state out of state education. Its like trying to take the politics out of politics.
Apparently you also have no understanding of "western education". Which ironically we do not practice but rather western Europe. Although I can agree that it is the nature of the state to attempt to influence education as well as natural sociological influences which push social conservation there can indeed be a reasonably unbiased system if run properly. Such a concept is far more easily worked with than anarchy.
Not the state, democratically the populous. I am personally not even much a fan of representative democracy as it acts against itself. The true Utopian fantasy would be a unregulated society maintain its own existence in that state nor be able to protect those most in need of it within the society.
Macro sociology only exists with a form of governing. Whatever that force may be. Otherwise it inherently becomes anarchy; and anarchy is not sustainable with the populous in it's current form.
How do define an " unregulated society "? Is that not everything you do that is not merely doing what the state says you must. Like making friends, joining voluntary associations, engaging in voluntary trade?
"with the populous in it's current form." What does that mean?
Macro society does not necessarily require top down control. It can be what emerges from individual actions at the micro level that developed the plethora of goods and services that we use and enjoy every day.
As for the point about the populous. The point being was that the society as ignorant and uncivil as they are and can be could not at this time sustain such a Utopian society. I am no opponent to freedom but if you knew about sociology you'd know the first reason man formed society was from protection from outside and within their own. We are, as a species; no where near that point.
"Credulous at best your desire to believe in, angels in the hearts of men."
What is the purpose of sociology if not to determine methods of top down population control. I find it interesting that you hold such a dim view of people and such an inflated view of the merits and abilities of government which is populated by a certain type of person ... one that seeks power and authority over others.
Well sir, I guess you have no understanding of sociology. I'll give you a hint as toward what sociology covers, it's in the name.
Also, sir, I guess your talking points don't quite cover this conversation do they? As I already mention I would prefer a system of true democracy which would be lead by the populous moderated by the simple system of a majority vote. This would be a practical and reasonable way in an only a slightly more developed populous.
Sociology is the study of human social behavior, especially the study of the, organization, institutions, and development of human society for the purpose of social engineering.
Sociology is simply the study of social behavior. Nothing more. In this way yes it does refer to the modern structures of society often but being otherwise would render it irrelevant.
Just admit you are a social engineer with training wheels. Thinking you know better how others should live than they know themselves.
Close your eyes ad hold your nose to the history of what that way of looking at society delivers when entertained by politicians and implemented through force leading to monumental errors of gargantuan scale leading to the death and suffering of millions. Irrespective of the noble intentions you carry to the task.
You are far off my friend; and that statement shows far more about you than it ever could about me.
To be honest you sorely lack the understanding of the rudiments of sociology. I have heard libertarian preached far better than this in my limited years. I highly recommend you pick up a book on the basics of sociology and reconsider your opinions as everyone should do from time to time.
It is quite humorous that you would bring up authoritarianism when you are the capitalist. The one system inherent by nature to cause authoritarianism is capital. If you want to point out 90% of the problems within our government look no further than to corruption, greed, and economic classification.
Capitalism is pretty straight forward and so is the definition of capital. Capital is any form of wealth. Words of euphemism are words of weakness, sir.
Greed and envy are one in the same.
Marx referred to classes as the barrier of humanity. You are either ignorant to his work or are being intentionally misleading. If you understood Marxism you would understand that it was individualistic. We Americans tend to fail to see the separation of social and economic sociology.
Marx invented classes as barriers where none existed.
Economics is sociology, it is a behavioural "science". Economics is the study of individual behaviour expressed in transactions of time and resources between people.
No I do not believe that wage is the biggest contributor to education quality. For instance the UK's teacher's spend typically 6-12 months of very specific education to become teachers and are not what you might considered well payed. Still the UK has one of the top rated education systems and turnout in the world.
It is becoming obvious that you are being satirical however in times when war mongers call someone a fascist I attempt not to underestimate the insanity of some.
Socialism, fascism, communism, mercantilism, corporatism, imperialism, ... are all sides of the same statist coin. They only describe a different emphasis in approach and method to state control.
I guess libertarians do not bother much with sociology now do they? Complete logical fallacy.
Libertarianism is simply unreasonable. If you were to go ahead and have the bullocks to declare yourself an anarchist I would show more sympathy. I, ideologically agree with much of libertarianism; but at this time it is simply an unreasonable concept.
Go back through "view all". Youtube's comment system is as always out of order so unfortunately you get to scan through. It would be in the 3-4 hours earlier listings. That is where we touched upon such things.
Needless to say, they fucking hate us more than before, many saying things are worse than they were under communism, cause wtf total capitalism isn't a pretty sight either. Imagine getting on the bus and the driver refuses to move until all 200 people on the bus fork over a buck. The bus driver is still short 18, so he refuses to move until someone covers the extra 18 bucks.
That's what all my russian friends complain about.
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WOW....... THE WHITE HOUSE IS GETTING DESPERATE PUMPING OUT THIS KIND OF CRAP...... a couple of idiots in headphones touching themselves........ Chris Matthews was probably under the table huh?
You sir, are clinically insane. Next time you accuse a media source of propagandizing or some sort of conspiracy against the American people maybe you should choose one larger and more funded than then your local animal control office.
bla bla bla..... these folks pump out every single video the white house pumps out....... they simply echo every singl thing the White House pumps out, just go through their damn videos........ its not really a secret...... I am not sure why you are making a deal about these people stroking Obama...... you should cheer them on..... get in the game brutha
Ya know Obama's playing you don't you? He grew up in Chicago's politics where it was very liberal. He knew that the public option wouldn't fly and he knew what the opposition would be. So he got elected by you, let the opposition rise up which caused Congress to back down, and so he saves face with those who voted for him. After all it was Congress who backed away, not him. lmao (to keep from crying) Lib politicians are like con. politicians They play us. Question: Why did the ...
New York Post which is owned by News Corp (founded and owned by Robert Murnoch which also owns Fox News) endorse Obama? Obama is appearing to be a true liberal but is really a politcian and Fox News is NOW making a killing and therefore News Corp is. Up almost 30% this year and Time Warner? down 10%
and really now.. any party wants the followers or supporters brains frozen, so long as they're frozen for their respective tribe (party) or at least frozen in their direction or favor generally
This joke gets sicker everyday as people begin to make it a reality.
WHEN DID THIS BECOME REAL LIFE?
cat803 1 year ago
it is interesting to me that irony is such a timely thing, and i wonder about how many things from the past i have guffawed and dismissed because i only saw them without the context and subtleties of their own time. it also makes me wonder about the things that i generally percieve as being purposefuly ironic and sarcastic, and whether abhorrent actions in the past have sometimes been justified by having the sentiments behind them purposefuly presented in such a evasive manner for broad appeal.
02108 1 year ago
XD HAhaHA, it's so funny when the guy says "U could insurance a singe room"
Ya bcuz, Obviously fire stays quietly in one room and doesn't goes out to expand :P
rolingpingu 1 year ago
Is this real?
Superhumanattack 1 year ago
Socialist fire fighters! The red scare is coming back!
Ditl2 1 year ago
@Ditl2 Prefer it than red (pretty orange too) fire burning my ass!
rolingpingu 1 year ago
this is hilarious
ossimkitteh 1 year ago
It cracks me up when I hear those on the right screaming that they don't want to pay for other peoples shit!
The funny thing is that these people, who stay up at night because they think someone, somewhere is getting something for free, grew up in a country that was built by hard working tax payers, both Liberal and Conservative.
And now that it's their turn to grow up and pay for the common good they want to turn into a nation of one!
WHO THE FUQQ IS THE REAL FREELOADER!?
SickBoyZap5 1 year ago
If they want to play it like this then next we will have a public option for anything: food, games cars, perfume. Because, like "public food care", it's the same thing as the fire department, RIGHT? No. And btw, we CAN privatize the fire department. It could work like an insurance system. You pay them monthly, lala, you know the deal. It's pretty simple and it's free market.
GreyAutumn 2 years ago
yea, privitize fire departments and you will see millions of pepl's lives ruined...
and btw the guy on this vid is practically retarded...
SwimmerInBlue 1 year ago
@GreyAutumn Poor people would then die
rolingpingu 1 year ago
haha i hate to tell you top ten countries to live in are SOCIALIST.
vincevince801 2 years ago
HI-LA-RIOUS! hehehe
noelle360d 2 years ago
you dont pay firefighters for what they do but for what they are willing to do!
shootinthesky 2 years ago
People should die if they cant afford fire care, and they should go broke if their house burns down?
u4ia420 2 years ago
@u4ia420 They shouldn't but they will. You can help them though, and I will join you. But only to the point where its legal(e.g I don't condone theft, not when made by you, the state or the fire victims.) You get me? Stealin' 's baad.
GreyAutumn 1 year ago
this is the dumbest piece of sh!t I have ever listened to.
dtmtnboy 2 years ago
Single payer systems can be efficient. It basically works as wholesale insurance rates for everyone. Considering that cuba has the same life expectancy as the US, even with our much higher per capita spending , it just shows that as with education spending and military-industrial complex spending, a higher amount of funding does not necessarily make a system more efficient.
reiser999 2 years ago
If you have a business and the fire marshall comes to visit, and you are not up to code. Guess what they shut you down until you can pay to get if fixed. When you build a house there are codes you have to follow and you have to pay for that. The government doesn't pay? you to fix your problem. So if you compare government funded fire dept to gov run health care, that means all preventive and health problem you have the government will not pay for any of it unless you are dying within hours.
brianlugen 2 years ago
LMAOOOOOOO!!! my sides hurt, my cheeks hurt.. ROFL!!!!
elnegrobembon 2 years ago 3
Awesome until the last 10 seconds when the DJ reminded me: We Americans need irony to be explained to us.
Yes, there are people who might think this is real.
richpee 2 years ago 2
This would be satire, not so much irony. There is irony in it, that some people argue against health care, but will say the fire department idea is ridiculous, but the main theme of the video would be satire, not just irony.
straemer2 2 years ago
Why are most Americans. So scared of Socialism?
But I get the sense this is parody..
404040wolf 2 years ago 3
lol i ask myself the same question because apparently capitalism isn't the best solution for everything, because people die everyday from a capitalist health insurance system... but it seems like they think that socialism, or socailst aspects in the system, would destroy their whole way of life, their culture, and their country! lol!
elnegrobembon 2 years ago
I hear some awesome ideas. Now the secret is out. They have socialized our fire departments? They have taken our freedoms away. What is next socialist police departments. They have done that too? dam.
thereedflute 2 years ago
Lol these people leaving comments are idiots! You think we will bid for fire fighters in a free market? Lol idiots. You mean the same way we bid for tomatoes in the grocery, or bid for computers at best buy, or bid for our plates at restraunts... oh wait, we dont....
OntologicalQuandary 2 years ago
Excellent!
JesusSavesAtCitibank 2 years ago
actually it's a sad commentary on the state of the political debate in this country currently, that I could get as far as 4:45 and still think it might possibly actually be some teaparty guy being serious.
GretchenDawntreader 2 years ago
4:45 ok at this point I'd say I lost all credibility that this guy wasn't joking. When your house is on fire, go to Priceline and bid for firefighting ;)
So really this is a riff on the health care debate pointing out the absurdity of the arguments on the town halls.
GretchenDawntreader 2 years ago
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Smartassawhip 2 years ago
lol. This is too funny.
thundergunn 2 years ago
very good bit heh
ambientdiscord 2 years ago
This is awesome, thanks so much for posting
dejahthoris 2 years ago
This is and example of Saul Alinsky's Rule 5 in action.
stratvic 2 years ago
ugly but semi-funny man
poop121 2 years ago
This is a great argument for Single payer Health care.
wervasdeferens 2 years ago
Our entire Military is a Socilalist system. Our housing is paid for, our health care is free, our dental care is free, and they even give us money for food. And guess what...it works!!!
dfwtexxaas 2 years ago 3
At what cost? Duh.
chewbaca1989 2 years ago
The government should give us food and clothing too! Everything should be free that we need to live. You can't put a value on a life. The people that are forced to pay for it should be happy that they are saving lives, rather that complaining about their petty tax rates. Taxes are the cost of living in a society with live people.
stratvic 2 years ago
That's like saying you want to live your parents all your life. Do you really want The Man in charge of your livelihood?
travroy 2 years ago
Don't forget to add education to the list of the Military Socialist (Socialized) tax payer funded system & yep! Hey it still works!!!
NatureLegalized 2 years ago
I wouldn't use public education as a shining example of successful government-run institutions. It still works, barely.
travroy 2 years ago
Government run education is excellent. It ensures that all children conform to the norms of society. We need a cohesive society where everyone learns and believes the same things to ensure harmony by reducing the conflict of different ideas, values, and understanding. If we let anyone teach kids we would all have different ideas, standards, versions of history,etc. that can only lead to conflict, mistrust, misunderstanding.... even war.
stratvic 2 years ago
Although government funded and regulated education doesn't necessary mean government run education I do see what you are picking up on. However any argument against government funded and regulated educations role is complete idiotic. Would you rather have poor children not educated, and the rest be indoctrinated in other manors by whatever absurd form of education their parents enroll them in?
Social cohesion is a inevitable product of organized society and so is the rebellion against it.
Teenagefreedomfightr 2 years ago
Governments fund education to meet education standards that they have the right to set as the funder. Parents should not be allowed to teach their children as they are not trained or licensed to do so. Education is so critical to society that it should be managed and executed by experts not dangerous fringe amateur parents who don't trust the government or certified teachers and are deluded by their own abilities to teach that can only serve to confuse, misled, and impair children.
stratvic 2 years ago
Mostly agreed stratvic.
Although I think in the basic structure of our education should be a strive to create unbiased and not ethnocentric education. Although this is a virtual impossibility to perfect it should be a part of it. Also like anything else the system and teachers could use improvement.
Trust me I am still a student at a public school system and I have seen many of the worst sides of our education system. We need major reform but it is necessary in some form.
Teenagefreedomfightr 2 years ago
Teachers could always use improvement. Of course the problem is that they are underpaid. Teachers shoulder a huge reponsibility to imbibing society with the states values and setting norms. Teachers should be paid at least three times what an auto worker, tax collector, soldier, or a postal employee is paid or other government employees. The unions should gain more control of the education system to make sure it is more efficient. The union knows and cares more about teaching than parents.
stratvic 2 years ago
I really don't think it should be the role or responsibility to implant any sort of nation values but rather give children the tools to decide for themselves.
I personally think many teachers are overpaid and over-trained for the job most of them do. If we really want a well rounded education for children we need an entire re-work of not only the teachers and the system but our now vintage teaching techniques.
Teenagefreedomfightr 2 years ago
Teachers do implant values in our children and this is the proper role they play for the good of society. Otherwise we risk having parents fill that role who are completely unqualified. Unless you are proposing that parents should receive state approved training and licensing?
Are you saying that the level of pay has nothing to do with the quality of teacher attracted to serve the state? The benefit of education and producing a conforming population around the state ideals is incalculable.
stratvic 2 years ago
You seem too obsessed with the actual role of the state in education. Let's not forget the sociologist difference between the nation and the state. I do not believe it should be the role of the school to implant ideas into minds, that is by definition brainwashing. Which both schools and parents do practice today. However as I said the role should be to attempt to give them an unbiased understanding of the world to form their own minds.
Teenagefreedomfightr 2 years ago
The state has a clear objective in its involvement in education otherwise it would let the private market serve that need. Education is brainwashing otherwise we would call it learning instead. The states role is to control the population for the good of society. Education is the primary non-violent tool in the sates arsenal to rule the population for the good of the state... so long as you don't refuse to fund it or admit your children.
stratvic 2 years ago
So once again a libertarian satirist. As I have said this your portrayal of the proper role of education is absurd. Although I would agree our current system is not all that far from that which you depict I am no more pleased with the idiocy parents try to teach their children.
Government funded, openly regulated and socially controlled with the intent to be unbiased. This may be a far shot from where we are.
Teenagefreedomfightr 2 years ago
Take a look at the history of history text books and you will quickly realise that you ideal which is what we apparently have now is fundamentally flawed. You just can't take the state out of state education. Its like trying to take the politics out of politics.
stratvic 2 years ago
Apparently you also have no understanding of "western education". Which ironically we do not practice but rather western Europe. Although I can agree that it is the nature of the state to attempt to influence education as well as natural sociological influences which push social conservation there can indeed be a reasonably unbiased system if run properly. Such a concept is far more easily worked with than anarchy.
Teenagefreedomfightr 2 years ago
"if run properly" by the state? To what end would you have the state educate for? .. if not for the states own benefit.
To expect the state to act purely altruisticly is utopian fantasy and attempt to fly in the face of history.
stratvic 2 years ago
Not the state, democratically the populous. I am personally not even much a fan of representative democracy as it acts against itself. The true Utopian fantasy would be a unregulated society maintain its own existence in that state nor be able to protect those most in need of it within the society.
Macro sociology only exists with a form of governing. Whatever that force may be. Otherwise it inherently becomes anarchy; and anarchy is not sustainable with the populous in it's current form.
Teenagefreedomfightr 2 years ago
How do define an " unregulated society "? Is that not everything you do that is not merely doing what the state says you must. Like making friends, joining voluntary associations, engaging in voluntary trade?
"with the populous in it's current form." What does that mean?
Macro society does not necessarily require top down control. It can be what emerges from individual actions at the micro level that developed the plethora of goods and services that we use and enjoy every day.
stratvic 2 years ago
An unregulated society is a society which does not set it's tolerances and would have no laws or justice toward people's actions.
I said "macro sociology" not "macro society". A large society or nation would automatically be categorized as macro sociology.
Your idea that unfettered capitalism would be the buffering source every day is not only childish and naive but credulous and mislead.
Correct that society does not have to be controlled from the top down, as I already stated.
Teenagefreedomfightr 2 years ago
As for the point about the populous. The point being was that the society as ignorant and uncivil as they are and can be could not at this time sustain such a Utopian society. I am no opponent to freedom but if you knew about sociology you'd know the first reason man formed society was from protection from outside and within their own. We are, as a species; no where near that point.
"Credulous at best your desire to believe in, angels in the hearts of men."
-Tool (Band quote haha)
Teenagefreedomfightr 2 years ago
What is the purpose of sociology if not to determine methods of top down population control. I find it interesting that you hold such a dim view of people and such an inflated view of the merits and abilities of government which is populated by a certain type of person ... one that seeks power and authority over others.
stratvic 2 years ago
Well sir, I guess you have no understanding of sociology. I'll give you a hint as toward what sociology covers, it's in the name.
Also, sir, I guess your talking points don't quite cover this conversation do they? As I already mention I would prefer a system of true democracy which would be lead by the populous moderated by the simple system of a majority vote. This would be a practical and reasonable way in an only a slightly more developed populous.
Teenagefreedomfightr 2 years ago
Sociology is the study of human social behavior, especially the study of the, organization, institutions, and development of human society for the purpose of social engineering.
stratvic 2 years ago
Sociology is simply the study of social behavior. Nothing more. In this way yes it does refer to the modern structures of society often but being otherwise would render it irrelevant.
Teenagefreedomfightr 2 years ago
Just admit you are a social engineer with training wheels. Thinking you know better how others should live than they know themselves.
Close your eyes ad hold your nose to the history of what that way of looking at society delivers when entertained by politicians and implemented through force leading to monumental errors of gargantuan scale leading to the death and suffering of millions. Irrespective of the noble intentions you carry to the task.
stratvic 2 years ago
You are far off my friend; and that statement shows far more about you than it ever could about me.
To be honest you sorely lack the understanding of the rudiments of sociology. I have heard libertarian preached far better than this in my limited years. I highly recommend you pick up a book on the basics of sociology and reconsider your opinions as everyone should do from time to time.
Teenagefreedomfightr 2 years ago
It is quite humorous that you would bring up authoritarianism when you are the capitalist. The one system inherent by nature to cause authoritarianism is capital. If you want to point out 90% of the problems within our government look no further than to corruption, greed, and economic classification.
Teenagefreedomfightr 2 years ago
I don't refer to myself as a capitalist and don't really know what people mean by that term without a inordinate number of follow up questions.
Capital though I would point out is merely savings and is no threat to anyone.
Marxism is the ideology that insists on referring to class. I prefer to see people not as groups but as individuals.
Greed is perhaps a lesser vice than envy, it is the means more so than the ends to either that should be of our mutual concern.
stratvic 2 years ago
Capitalism is pretty straight forward and so is the definition of capital. Capital is any form of wealth. Words of euphemism are words of weakness, sir.
Greed and envy are one in the same.
Marx referred to classes as the barrier of humanity. You are either ignorant to his work or are being intentionally misleading. If you understood Marxism you would understand that it was individualistic. We Americans tend to fail to see the separation of social and economic sociology.
Teenagefreedomfightr 2 years ago
Saving are indeed wealth.
Marx invented classes as barriers where none existed.
Economics is sociology, it is a behavioural "science". Economics is the study of individual behaviour expressed in transactions of time and resources between people.
stratvic 2 years ago
No I do not believe that wage is the biggest contributor to education quality. For instance the UK's teacher's spend typically 6-12 months of very specific education to become teachers and are not what you might considered well payed. Still the UK has one of the top rated education systems and turnout in the world.
It is becoming obvious that you are being satirical however in times when war mongers call someone a fascist I attempt not to underestimate the insanity of some.
Teenagefreedomfightr 2 years ago
Caught in satire.
Socialism, fascism, communism, mercantilism, corporatism, imperialism, ... are all sides of the same statist coin. They only describe a different emphasis in approach and method to state control.
stratvic 2 years ago
I guess libertarians do not bother much with sociology now do they? Complete logical fallacy.
Libertarianism is simply unreasonable. If you were to go ahead and have the bullocks to declare yourself an anarchist I would show more sympathy. I, ideologically agree with much of libertarianism; but at this time it is simply an unreasonable concept.
Teenagefreedomfightr 2 years ago
"Libertarianism is simply unreasonable"
Can you be more specific?
stratvic 2 years ago
Have you forgotten what we have spoken about? I have already quite elaborated on that. Please do not quote mine.
Teenagefreedomfightr 2 years ago
Nope. I checked back. It's just a hanging unsubstatiated comment.
stratvic 2 years ago
Go back through "view all". Youtube's comment system is as always out of order so unfortunately you get to scan through. It would be in the 3-4 hours earlier listings. That is where we touched upon such things.
Teenagefreedomfightr 2 years ago
He seems to be saying that a small government that does not intrude on our lives is unreasonable.... interesting...
OntologicalQuandary 2 years ago
LOL soooo funny!
hunterswine 2 years ago
Hilarious!
Come to think of it, I don't want any out-of-state person driving on the roads or going to the library or park that MYYYY tax dollars fund.
In fact, I want MY tax dollars to pave only the specific streets the 'I' drive on.
Great stuff.
proteanview 2 years ago 3
The caller needs to do a little history reading, he could start with GREAT CHICAGO FIRE!
killerbandit 2 years ago
Total capitalism is what Russia is doing now.
Needless to say, they fucking hate us more than before, many saying things are worse than they were under communism, cause wtf total capitalism isn't a pretty sight either. Imagine getting on the bus and the driver refuses to move until all 200 people on the bus fork over a buck. The bus driver is still short 18, so he refuses to move until someone covers the extra 18 bucks.
That's what all my russian friends complain about.
Longknife 2 years ago
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WOW....... THE WHITE HOUSE IS GETTING DESPERATE PUMPING OUT THIS KIND OF CRAP...... a couple of idiots in headphones touching themselves........ Chris Matthews was probably under the table huh?
KCUAC 2 years ago
If you lack the ability to see the humor in this clip you are truly vapid.
The best the White House has? Apparently TheUpTake is a direct hand of the government now?
Here's your tin-foil hat, go sit in the corner.
Teenagefreedomfightr 2 years ago 12
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what are you kidding me??? this is like the WHITE HOUSE echo chamber.........
Linda Daniels has her own little section here....... seriously??? I think you already know this....
KCUAC 2 years ago
You sir, are clinically insane. Next time you accuse a media source of propagandizing or some sort of conspiracy against the American people maybe you should choose one larger and more funded than then your local animal control office.
Teenagefreedomfightr 2 years ago 2
just admit it...... you think Linda Daniels is hot..... mmmmmm yummie huh? lol
KCUAC 2 years ago
Good job defending your point ignoramus. To be honest I do not know what Linda Daniels you are referring to to begin with....
Teenagefreedomfightr 2 years ago
my mistake sir...... I meant Linda Douglas........
I hope that makes my point clear.......
KCUAC 2 years ago
This isn't from the White House, dipwad.
rainsong14 2 years ago 3
bla bla bla..... these folks pump out every single video the white house pumps out....... they simply echo every singl thing the White House pumps out, just go through their damn videos........ its not really a secret...... I am not sure why you are making a deal about these people stroking Obama...... you should cheer them on..... get in the game brutha
KCUAC 2 years ago
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Your comments are just silly.
rainsong14 2 years ago
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poop121 2 years ago
Ya know Obama's playing you don't you? He grew up in Chicago's politics where it was very liberal. He knew that the public option wouldn't fly and he knew what the opposition would be. So he got elected by you, let the opposition rise up which caused Congress to back down, and so he saves face with those who voted for him. After all it was Congress who backed away, not him. lmao (to keep from crying) Lib politicians are like con. politicians They play us. Question: Why did the ...
ChulaKirby 2 years ago
New York Post which is owned by News Corp (founded and owned by Robert Murnoch which also owns Fox News) endorse Obama? Obama is appearing to be a true liberal but is really a politcian and Fox News is NOW making a killing and therefore News Corp is. Up almost 30% this year and Time Warner? down 10%
ChulaKirby 2 years ago
Your joke is someone else's warped conviction
When did the act social or community become a negative thing.
RIGHT WING BRAIN FREEZE
GreenEnergy2112 2 years ago 8
and really now.. any party wants the followers or supporters brains frozen, so long as they're frozen for their respective tribe (party) or at least frozen in their direction or favor generally
point still well put & well taken.. so to speak
NatureLegalized 2 years ago