"What is that ring on a K31 Swiss bolt for?" Iraqveteran8888 K-31

[NUKETOMIC]

Thank you. What other rifle(s) stripper clips can be used for this gun? Would a 7mm Mauser, 7.5mm French, or Mosin Nagant clip(s) work, too?

[an10nee]

cool thanks for the video

[an10nee]

cool thanks for the video

[nick21sammy]

thats what i love about my swiss tradition. in my gun cabinet i have my grandfaters "Karabiner 11" (as shown in this video) my fathers "Sturmgewehr 57" and my "Sturmgewehr 90" (Sig 550) all used in Swiss military service

[TheVeneth]

Thats clever!!

[DJonX7]

This is a very good rifle.

[sjnewsome]

@tovarishchS he may have owned one during world war two but the swiss didnt fight in world war two

[ScorpyEmp21]

@sjnewsome

Hitler wasnt so stupid to attack switserland.

point 1, Switserland has one of the strongest armies in the world.

point 2, Switserland does not have a great stragetic position, switserland are mountains, mountains, mountains... what else?

point 3, to attack a country full of mountains is just suicide, Hitler knew that.

[sjnewsome]

@ScorpyEmp21 yeah I know, so why would he attack one of the strongest armies in the world? He was scared. He knew he couldnt defeat them. Same reason Hitler didnt attack the U.S.

Second: umm SWITZERLAND, not switserland, Was surrounded by germany, italy, france, and Austria. Germany and Italy were allies and they sacked france and owned austria. So it was a very UNstrategic place not to own. Now you are correct, he knew he couldnt defeat them but owning that land right in the mntns is an advant

[bandman232]

Can you top it off? because it does have a removable box mag.

[Jrsdrums]

I don't know if anyone else mentioned this but the reason they went with the ring design is so you could operate it with gloves in cold weather.

[ashisturtwig123]

how much does a k31 cost im looking for one

[kp7100]

is ammo affordable for these guns..i am planning on getting one but i dont want another odd ball round to buy and its expensive...thank you

[8thman420]

yr fuckin out kenny powers

[cooleryj]

a smart design.

[tytan01]

I just picked up a K31 at a local gun show. The safety ring is what drew me to the rifle because I had never seen a K31 before this weekend. I checked the serial number and it was made in 1952. It was then shipped to a company in California after being sold as surplus by the swiss and re-chambered for .308 and a new stock put on it. I'm dying to try it out. The straight draw bolt is just plain ingenious. It must be an " insurance " issue that keeps that type of action from being used more.

[Gorbachev]

@tytan01 Rechambered for 308? Have a gunsmith be sure of that.

[JLA1911A1]

@tytan01 Might want to have that double checked. I know its been done in the past but the 7.5X55 is quite the .308 winchesters equal. I do not know of, nor have I ever seen any modified in this way. Ammo availability is the ONLY gain in doing so and since most people interested in the K31s seem to be reloaders it is money better spent to reload for it and buy a .308 if you want a .308. My point is, the rounds are very similar so dont destroy your weapon by trying to use the wrong ammo.

[tylertown100]

Thanks. Good video

[JNT20]

another thing about the safety, as opposed to other mechanisms, there is NO way the safety would ever come off accidentally, at least in any scenario i can think of....

[jabames]

whats that number by the ring, is that the year? Mine says 56, 1956? The number is on top of the grip.

[O1Chris02]

fantastic looking gun, good explaination i was wondering why that was there!

But just one question.. it that your room? lol

[BATTLEDROID678]

i must say the straight pull design on the k31 is an excellent choice for a bolt-action rifle. beautifly simplistic. Ive heard that the stocks on almost all k31 are in horrid condition. is this true, by the way, are you fluent in Swiss?

[Iraqveteran8888]

The stocks vary, but generally, they are all in used and often abused shape. It has to do with the amount of drilling and training they did with the rifles. Also, using the stock as a snow cleat can bang them up pretty quick to.

I can understand a little german, but usually, I have to translate most foreign languages.

[TovarishchS]

@BATTLEDROID678 My grandfather has one. He's Swiss, and used one in World War Two. It's in wonderful condition.

There's no such thing as Swiss, by the way; there's Swiss French, Swiss German, Swiss Italian, and Romansh (which is basically a variant of Latin.)

[mmaTAPOUTfighter]

wow dry fire much

[Iraqveteran8888]

It's not going to hurt anything.

[TristanGoins]

@Iraqveteran8888 it messes up the firing pin.

[TristanGoins]

the mosin nagant has the same basic features , just not a ring. you can turn it and it acts as a safety

[mossbergmaniac1947]

@TristanGoins

Except you have to use a mule to pull that nob back and turn it.

[GunBroker100]

@Iraqveteran8888 Then Why do you suppose the operation manual of all firearms includes a section on not dry firing? The firing pin has a shoulder that contacts a machined surface inside the breech block to control protrusion length. Dry firing without a snap cap or primer for the firing pin to impact can and will stretch this section of the firing pin to the point of failure. Older firearms are more susceptible to this because of heating treatment variables. Dry firing is a bad habit on any gun.

[GunBroker100]

@GunBroker100 That should have been Heat treatment variables. Sorry, don't want the typo police to have a cow.

[BlackHawk2029]

@mmaTAPOUTfighter

Only thing dry firing is really going to hurt is a rimfire. I still prefer not to, but it's not gonna damage anything with this rifle. With rimfire rifles though, it slams the firing pin into the edge of the barrel.

[Iraqveteran8888]

@BlackHawk2029

Yep you can break a firing pin or weaken certain springs in a heart beat. In some cases, you can damage the extractor on rimfires with dry firing. Rimfires are one type of firearm you MUST have snap caps for.

[idgewe]

shot my k11 for the first time at 200 meters today with sum gp11 , wow what an accurate rifle swiss stuff really is the best .

[coozy100]

saw one of these in like orgasmic condition "spotless" for 269 is that like a good deal? also watched ur mosin videos i saw one m38 in eh con. but it was 90 also a mosin "dont remeber the model but it was the dragoon edition" for 117 the drag came with 840 round i mean are those like good deals because im thinking of picking all 3

[Iraqveteran8888]

Buy all 3....

[harryboo121]

Und... Veteran8888... 1. Man klatscht nicht auf das Schloß des Karabiners wie auf euer Bech M16 sondern schließt das ganze mit einer Bewegung! 2. Nein, die Größe des Ringes bezieht sicht NICHT auf das Tragen von Handschuhen SONDERN auf die Zweckmäßigkeitkeit eine Größe zu bestimmen die ALLEN Anforderungen gerecht wird!!!! So nun übersetzt mal, damit du es verstehen kannst... Gruß aus der Schweiz, Ami!

[Iraqveteran8888]

So from what I can gather you are saying that the design is NOT similar to direct impingement action in the M16, and that the ring being large is to accomodate the sometimes larger digits of bigger soldiers, correct?

Grüße von den US.

[harryboo121]

Wie blöd muss man sein.... das man das so erklären muss? Oder anders gefragt: Warum erklärt ihr Sinnhaftigkeit die sich selbst erklärt ( in dem Wort für Legasteniker) in nem Video? Naja, lass die Frage mal offen...

[DDTea]

I used to have one of these rifles, and occasionally the ammo would fail to go off. I did just this: pulled the ring back and tried again. It usually worked the second time. It's a lot better than aiming downrange for 30 seconds in case the round still goes off.

I really like these rifles. The only thing I *didn't* like about it was that the recoil kicked like a horse!

[Iraqveteran8888]

I love the K31....Very fine rifle no matter how you cut it.

It's a handloader's rifle for sure.

[CHmale81]

Well I knew about the seafty feature, but the recooking, have to try it at grandpas old peice

[mossbergmaniac1947]

Ive been enamored by this rifle for years and just haven't gotten around to buying one. Beautiful, Beautiful, Beautiful.

[setenca]

my granddad and my father used the schmidt-rubin k-31, it is a very accurate carbine. but the recoil... hmm...

[Iraqveteran8888]

There is nothing I would change about this rifle...They are the best WW2 era rifle to me.

I'd like to see one converted to .300 WIN MAG! (might work, I'd have to take a closer look at it)

[AA550cord]

Another great video.

[camaj1996]

lol

[camaj1996]

ok thanks man that just confused me a little thanks for clearing it up!

[Iraqveteran8888]

Not a problem dude.

[ECTBWHO]

I Love that gun.

[jasonhenson1991]

That sure is one thing I like about those old rifles that have an exposed and "grip-Able" cocking piece. Like you seen with my Czech 98k with the duds. I don't run the risk of the round cooking off when I open the bolt. I can just keep everything in battery and recock the sear/firing pin. Good Stuff!

[Iraqveteran8888]

I hear what you're saying. Cook offs are caused from extreme amounts of heat (usually in machine guns). When a round is in a VERY hot chamber, you run the risk of a cook off...the power is essentially ignited by the heat of the weapon rather than the primer being struck.

If you get a round that doesn't go off when you squeeze the trigger, and the ammo you are using is old, you could get what id called a "hang fire".

Hang fires are caused from a delay in the primer ignition.

[jasonhenson1991]

Hang Fire was the word I was looking for. I just couldnt think of it... Thanks for the refresher lol.

[Iraqveteran8888]

A hang fire can result from either a cruddy old primer, an unservicable weapon, poor primer seating depth and anything in between. Excessive headspace can cause hang fires as well in some designs.

That is why I told you to allow the rifle to sit for a few seconds in case you had a hang fire. Trust me...it does happen.

On the Yugo 50's surplus 8mm ammo, it is known to have hard primers (for machine gun use) and most K98 and other Mauser pattern rifles will usually only dent the primer.

[3OCALM1]

As a safety it's cumbersome to disengage. I think some kind of trigger safety would have been better.

I only use mine at the range so it's not an issue for me but I still think they could have come up with a better idea.

Just my 2 cents worth..........

[Iraqveteran8888]

I agree, but I like it because it just adds to the nostalgic value of the firearm. I guess they did the best they could for what they had and for the weather it was desgined to operate in...

[robin6512]

this is an old style rifle.

To be used in harsh swiss winter conditions.

The thing is perfect for what it should do.

And if used too very easy to use.

My 2 cents.

(I got one and it's a great shooter)