I agree . . . . A rose by any other name is still a rose AND, Form , Mode,. . .whatever,. . . Potato,Pototo, . .. .Tomato, Tomoto . . . . .Let's call the whole thing off !!!! If someone wants to split hairs it may be because they rather talk about music rather than play it!
That first "form" you played was the Dorian mode. The second "form" was the Phrygian mode. You're playing modes, not forms, just so you know. And there are seven of them actually including the Ionian mode. Just pointing that out. If you're going to put up guitar lessons you should at least call things by their real names. That's like calling a scale a series or a chord a bunch of notes.
@epicroque The modes are within the 5 forms. Jimmy Bruno for one uses the same 5 forms along with many, many other players. If they were the 7 modes every form then would start from all 7 notes in the key. these forms incorporate all the notes in the key and from them you can get the 7 modes. try looking up the 5 forms on Youtube and you'll see many people using the same technique. You'll notice for instance, that form 2 incorporates 2 modes, phrygian and lydian.
@markguitarcote Call it what you will, and I did look it up and I found websites calling modes 'forms'. For the ameture player semantics might not be a big issue, but for those who majored in music and studied theory there is a completely different connotation to the word 'form' in reference to music which concerns the structure or organization of a piece of music. I've never heard of the '5 forms' in all my sixteen years of playing and four years at school, but they're identical to modes.
@epicroque Watch the whole video. it's explained in there. I've been playing over 40 years and I've been using and applying forms and modes. It's just a way to simplify the scale to 5 forms instead of 7 different modes. try not to complicate it. Learn from where ever you can and from whoever you can. Think of the modes and scales as a way to create music, don't try to split hairs, use your ears and don't over think. Listen to everything that's being said and you'll get it. Be well
@markguitarcote I did watch the whole thing. But you're right about splitting hairs being a waste of time. I don't even reply hardly ever on youtube, don't know why I felt compelled to start now. To each his own.
@markguitarcote Maybe you could demonstrate the precise difference between a mode and a form. Because that first chart you had up was the Dorian mode. You were playing in the Key of F major, you started on G and played the intervals: WHWWWHW. In what way is that NOT the Dorian mode? And modes are not derived from "forms". They're derived from the series of intervals of a given scale. And by the way, why stop at five? You're playing a major scale. You should have seven.
Tom-ay-to, tom-ah-to. ALL modes incorporate more than one mode when played in a box shape up to the second octave. There's nothing different about your form than what has been traditionally called a mode for ages. When I play the Dorian mode (say in the Key of G) I come across the Ionian starting on the seventh note on the scale, a G. I also play the Phrygian mode starting at the second note in the scale, a B. There's no difference whatsoever.
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ZucabaaY 1 week ago
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ZucabaaY 1 week ago
nicely said @markguitarcote ....@epicroque you sound like a total wank..
esbee87 1 month ago
I agree . . . . A rose by any other name is still a rose AND, Form , Mode,. . .whatever,. . . Potato,Pototo, . .. .Tomato, Tomoto . . . . .Let's call the whole thing off !!!! If someone wants to split hairs it may be because they rather talk about music rather than play it!
seyjazz1 3 months ago
Great job Mark. Ty very much! You sound excellent btw!
JaymarkRadio 4 months ago
That first "form" you played was the Dorian mode. The second "form" was the Phrygian mode. You're playing modes, not forms, just so you know. And there are seven of them actually including the Ionian mode. Just pointing that out. If you're going to put up guitar lessons you should at least call things by their real names. That's like calling a scale a series or a chord a bunch of notes.
epicroque 5 months ago
@epicroque The modes are within the 5 forms. Jimmy Bruno for one uses the same 5 forms along with many, many other players. If they were the 7 modes every form then would start from all 7 notes in the key. these forms incorporate all the notes in the key and from them you can get the 7 modes. try looking up the 5 forms on Youtube and you'll see many people using the same technique. You'll notice for instance, that form 2 incorporates 2 modes, phrygian and lydian.
markguitarcote 5 months ago
@markguitarcote Call it what you will, and I did look it up and I found websites calling modes 'forms'. For the ameture player semantics might not be a big issue, but for those who majored in music and studied theory there is a completely different connotation to the word 'form' in reference to music which concerns the structure or organization of a piece of music. I've never heard of the '5 forms' in all my sixteen years of playing and four years at school, but they're identical to modes.
epicroque 5 months ago
@epicroque Watch the whole video. it's explained in there. I've been playing over 40 years and I've been using and applying forms and modes. It's just a way to simplify the scale to 5 forms instead of 7 different modes. try not to complicate it. Learn from where ever you can and from whoever you can. Think of the modes and scales as a way to create music, don't try to split hairs, use your ears and don't over think. Listen to everything that's being said and you'll get it. Be well
markguitarcote 5 months ago
@markguitarcote I did watch the whole thing. But you're right about splitting hairs being a waste of time. I don't even reply hardly ever on youtube, don't know why I felt compelled to start now. To each his own.
epicroque 5 months ago
@markguitarcote Maybe you could demonstrate the precise difference between a mode and a form. Because that first chart you had up was the Dorian mode. You were playing in the Key of F major, you started on G and played the intervals: WHWWWHW. In what way is that NOT the Dorian mode? And modes are not derived from "forms". They're derived from the series of intervals of a given scale. And by the way, why stop at five? You're playing a major scale. You should have seven.
epicroque 5 months ago
Tom-ay-to, tom-ah-to. ALL modes incorporate more than one mode when played in a box shape up to the second octave. There's nothing different about your form than what has been traditionally called a mode for ages. When I play the Dorian mode (say in the Key of G) I come across the Ionian starting on the seventh note on the scale, a G. I also play the Phrygian mode starting at the second note in the scale, a B. There's no difference whatsoever.
epicroque 5 months ago
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pzolsky 3 months ago
Thanks Mark, best ive seen yet - and more to the point, it helps a lot.
Nice one!
LienSdrawse 7 months ago