Only a Liberal can consider riot gear a provocation. I'm a little hazy, but did they need phalanxes of police in riot gear at Tea Party rallies?
I'm usually on the lookout for abuse of power with peace officers, but I kept wishing someone would give this loud-mouth a 'tuning-up' with their baton.
What "right" do you have to block traffic and ignore all the statutes the rest of the city has to deal with?
It's the FED, stupid. Watch animantion "The American Dream" (30 min). Never trust a neo-con or a nanny-stater. We need to distinguish between the crooks in the 1% from the decent productive people. Just as we need to disttinguish between them in the 99%. We need a much much larger population of WHITE COLLAR prison inmates, and a smaller one of blue collar.
All your typing doesn't matter one iota bulletproof, We will get our government back in the hands of the voters in the end. The multi-national corporations that own our politicians now will lose, because they are poison. The only question is, how f'd up does it have to get before even a shill like you sees the wisdom of living in a democracy of people, and not an oligarchy.
The medical experimentation in Atascadero included administering, to gay people, a drug that simulated the experience of drowning; in other words, a pharmacological example of waterboarding.
@bulletproof2353 By comparison I should stress. Simply put, just because this is a bad situation, doesnt mean there arent worse out there. Also, the stonewall riots are a good example of how physical confrontation generally leads to a worse scenrio for all sides in a conflict. Also, it probably didnt help that the Stonewall Inn was run by the damn mafia which has really the reason for the police raids.
here let me help you "Gay people who were sentenced to medical institutions because they were found to be sexual psychopaths, were subjected sometimes to sterilization, occasionally to castration, sometimes to medical procedures, such as lobotomies, which were felt by some doctors to cure homosexuality and other sexual diseases. The most infamous of those institutions was Atascadero, in California. Atascadero was known in gay circles as the Dachau for queers, and appropriately so.
@bulletproof2353 The stonewall uprisings were part of the upheaval of the 1960s and generally got out of control for the same reason as occupy, a very vague messag obscured by violence, indecision and idiotic pratices such as the overuse of drugs and sex as part of their identity which made them very hard to indentify with for the average American. The fact of the matter is, not everyone in America has been treated fairly. But to compaire it to the modern times or to other countries, its not bad
and you a fucking biggot ,you have no clue about homosexual oppression or anything else , why dont you try google the stonewall inn or the documentry stonewall uprising and look at the comments on Atascadero, in California. in the transcript or god forbid, watch it
@bulletproof2353 "4 major corporations own the entirety of the media" -That is literally meaningless now with the invetion of handheld recording and internet which essentially can speak with the mainstream media reporting it (The MSM being less and less important every year) "and you a fucking biggot ,you have no clue about homosexual oppression" - By that definition, anyone who doesnt simply KNOW about oppression is a bigot. How the HELL does that make sense?
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power. "
Benito Mussolini ,
this is EXACTLY what we have here,only much much worse, because the very same corporate power is not only in control of the government ,but it is also in control of the 4th estate,the media ,4 major corporations own the entirety of the media,that is what produces such defective thinking as your own
@bulletproof2353 "just like every war the U.S. hase been in since ww1" - American war policy is generally been the same as other world powers but at least the US's generally leads to better outcomes. I personally hate it, I'd rather see my home countries have more influence in the world than the US but I'm still grateful for the things that US policy has given to me so far aside from a few annoyances and grievances. "are a form of corporate wellfare" -Which SHOULD be gotten rid of I agree.
they are over there protecting corporate profits, they are a form of corporate wellfare, they are there to do the bidding of banks and multinational corporations to not only no loyalty to any nation but who are pushing an agenda to end the sovereignty of not only america,but all nations ,the agenda is plain as fucking day ,they dont even hide it,they openly come out and say it now, 1 world government , end soverignty,this is fascisim as defined by el duche, benitto Mussolini himself
@bulletproof2353 And the vasy majority of Ameridian and Native American deaths came form disease not directly from warefare of which the Spanish were horrifed of (The disease, war was a mutal part of Spanish and Mexica culture) The two cultures had more in common than most realize looking at their histories. Its no wonder their cultures meshed so well especially in Mexico. This is usually my problem, people like you just dont know their history so I have to explain it to them at length.
@bulletproof2353 The general outlook of the protests is actually agreed upon, the problem is what you people dont understand is basic economics. The subsides, bailouts and massive funding (including departments like the EPA, schools and healthcare as well as student loans) allows these entities to gain power and buy elections. If the government didnt have these things there would be no power to fight for. Attacking corporations who are legally using the system is stupid, change the system.
@bulletproof2353 "this is EXACTLY what we have here" -No it isnt, and your quote from Mussolini out of context proves your ignorance of history. Looking at what Mussilini ACTUALLY DID was NOT what you think it was. Basically, the Italian government forced corporations to comply with Fascist law and the whims of the Italian state and military and threatened nationalization if they did otherwise. Thats Corporatism, NOT allowing corporations to control governments. Thats generally socialism.
peacefully and to peaceably assemble ,its in the bill of rights,the right to assembly,the right to air grievances ,this is fucking bullshit, this is a police state, wake the fuck up this is a fascist government owned by big banks and corporations this is all done to further their interests, not your,just like every war the U.S. hase been in since ww1 ,these people think they are fighting for "our freedom" or "to protect us" "protect america" that is fucking bullshit propaganda at its finest,
@bulletproof2353 First of all, the Conquistadors conquered the lands of Mexico (Shocking isnt it) They did NOT murder native Americans in modern day US and the first nations of Canada. That was mainly British settlers and later American Jacksonian era atrocities. The difference being that the Mexica tribal empires (The Aztecs included, of whom I am decendent) had full knowledge of the ideas of occupation, conquest, convertion, assimilation. The Native Americans did not. See the difference?
@bulletproof2353 "this is fucking bullshit, this is a police state" - Like in Colonial India where British Raj police beat protestors with bamboo sticks? Or in Syria or Iran where they turn the ACTUAL military on protestors hosing them down with gunfire? Seriously, if this is a police state than what the hell is the rule in Cuba or Venezuela? "this is a fascist government owned by big banks and corporations" -The reason that private entities can gain power is because there is power to gain.
@germanconquistador08 wow your fucking ignorant, and by your handle a nazi and lover of the conquistadors ,who murdered millions of native american people and stole their land, is it any wonder you side with oppression? they are being trained by the fed you moron, this shit never fucking existed before ,where do you think this paramilitary training and gear and funding comes from?not from local taxes you moron, this is a violation of civil rights and liberties people have the right to protest
@bulletproof2353 "wow your fucking ignorant, and by your handle a nazi and lover of the conquistadors" -I'm just gonna stop you right there. 1. How am I the ignorant one when you label Germans and Nazi together? 2. GermanConquistador is a homage to my decent not my socio-political positions. I'm German and I was born in Mexico but I've always loved early Spanish history. Seems an appropriate tag. "who murdered millions of native american people and stole their land" - Thats not even close.
@bulletproof2353 "think this paramilitary training and gear and funding comes from?not from local taxes you moron" - Riot training is part of general metrapolitian police training. Yes its not usually employed in rural or suburban police training but for urban police its a central part of their training. Its NOT paramilitary, not under any definition of the word. And YES local urban taxes DO go to the local metrapolitian police force. This is not a hard concept to understand.
but the next time you get robbed your gonna be crying about how the police didnt get there in time and how youd you feel if one of you cockbag liberal friends shot at a group of other stupidass liberal cockbags and there were no cops to stop that threat?
Some commenters here seem to think that angry yelling justifies police violence. I assume that these people would have absolutely no problem with the cops opening fire on a Tea Party protest, right?
Why are there so many police and so little schools this guy says.. Well uh maybe try taking a look at all the criminals in your state and then asking yourselves that.
If there was not so many criminals they would not need so many police and then maybe they could focus on building better schools. Who's fault is this? The criminals not the police.
Oh and by the way this does not look like a very "Peaceful" protest to me..
When was the last time you had to stand there doing your job and take this kind of verbal abuse? Did you ever stop to think these officers are there to protect you in case some idiot were to do something stupid? And the reason they have all this protective gear is because they can't protect you unless each and every one of them is protected first. It's idiots like you that stand there screaming at the people doing their jobs that are the problem. Go back to work.
Wow.... did he really just say "I declare this assembly to be unlawful"... really? Yeah, fuck you cops; thanks for making it obvious that you're not here to protect our rights anymore. Does anybody remember that little part of the CONSTITUTION... "Citizens shall have the RIGHT to peaceably assemble"...?
Will we allow them to reduce us to serfs begging for a place to huddle with a bowl of rice and a place to lie down? Today has been in the making for a long time. Obama acts like a dictator ordering the assassination of a US citizens and Congress is under the complete control of a foreign power. It is like the US has become an Israeli colony. Every dime you pay in taxes goes into debt service to the Federal Reserve which is owned by banks that are all owned by Jews. Just the facts jack.
These riot officers do need that gear, and they plan to use it even if they never have to. Better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it, right?
What if they situation does turn violent? What if the number of protesters alone would be enough to break a line of officers if they didn't have riot gear?
This guy is a moron. YES they need that gear. Why? Just in case these guys decide to wreck up some shit. Thye wear that gear IN CASE something happens.
@GermanConquistador08 totally agree with you on that. what most people don't understand is when you congregate in mass it presents a threat to everyone not just the protesters or the police
@kingcellaa Seriously, these protesters have hurt each other more than the police have. In New York they had to make a "safe" area for women because of repeated abuses, rapes, molestations and assaults. And thats just for the women. Men are being robbed and beaten and their tents stolen and then they insult and belittle the police who would be all to willing to protect them if they would just stop verbally abusing them. Honestly, its sickening.
@LobsterPotsticker "The police have been telling homless to go into the camps to discredit it. Wake up." -...really? Really? Thats the best you got? The police are TELLING homeless people to steal, rape and mug protesters? You have to be an IDIOT to believe this. First of all, WHY?! On two cases. Why would POLICE, individual officers ask homeless people to do into the camps. 2. EVEN IF that was true WHY would homeless people AGREE! And then be arrested (which police HAVE arrested offenders)
@GermanConquistador08 The occupy movement is a peaceful one. There has not been one case where a police officer has been assaulted or anywhere close. The cops are being brutal towards normal, peaceful citizens, with innocent people continually being harmed and arrested for no reason. New laws are being created to stop 'assembly' even when it's fucking peaceful. Open up your fucking eyes woman.
@o00osimbasmateo00o "There has not been one case where a police officer has been assaulted or anywhere close" - There have been over 100 incidents of violence or other inappropriate conduct durig these movements. Yes, the police arent being hurt by wimpy college kids (for the most part) big suprised. But you know who ARE being hurt? Protesters NOT by police, but by OTHER PROTESTER! "The cops are being brutal" -AHA!!! Try the civil rights or Indian independence movement for REAL police brutality!
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@o00osimbasmateo00o "normal, peaceful citizens" -Look at this video alone! These kids are yelling, swearing at these police officers who are JUST STANDING THERE! Look at other videos man, thee are NOT peaceful protests. Yes for a large part its mostly peaceful demonstration but when met with ANY resistance they turn verbally brutal and [hysically disorderly. Just because theyre not throwing punches doesnt mean theyre peaceful. "New laws are being created to stop 'assembly'" -Already in place!
@GermanConquistador08 They are yelling because their rights have been infringed upon hundreds of times since the movement started. And last I heard, yelling isn't a crime. You completely missed the point of the video, which was made the second night after Oakland PD beat the shit out of peaceful protesters and almost killed a marine.
@robobrow "They are yelling because their rights have been infringed upon hundreds of times since the movement started" -What rights?! Peacefully assemble? You lose that right when you start verbally assaulting police officers, WHICH has been going on SINCE THE BEGINING of the movement! Did thye verbalize police officers about infringing on their rights...BEFORE they started to infringe upon their rights, WHICH the police HAVNT to any measureble degree. Occupiers have BROKEN LAWS!
@GermanConquistador08 Actually this is not true. The "yelling" only started when police came and treated them like a riot. They were peacefully assembled and the majority have been non-violently resisting arrest. You can see the panic the police caused in the streets of NYC, the excessive force they used, and the people they "arrested' have since been let go by the courts and deemed unlawful or Constitutional Rights violations. Look it up and stop believing Fox News propaganda.
@robobrow "The "yelling" only started when police came and treated them like a riot." - You mean like how they BEEN ACTING. I'm sorry, when you resist arrest, resist detainment or insult the police YES you have ever right to be treated that way. "majority have been non-violently resisting arrest" -I agree, the majority are BUT a LARGE MINORITY of the occupiers are NOT resisting peacefully. "can see the panic the police caused in the streets of NYC" -The panic is due to the occupiers being there
@GermanConquistador08: 1. Who are talking about? The protesters have not been acting in anyway that resembles a riot. 2. Resiting arrest? In what way? I have not seen anybody resist arrest even though the arrest are infringing on their constitutional right. 3. Yeah the panic is due to the protestors being there because we might be turning into a police state.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "The protesters have not been acting in anyway that resembles a riot" - Blocking buildings, pushing people down stairs, clashes with police. They're NOT a riot but they resemble one. "Resiting arrest? In what way?" - Exactly in the ONLY way there is to resist arrest, running, squirming, and generally not allowing the police officer to handcuff you and take you away. Specifically, not getting up to and forced to be dragged was a popular one in new york.
German: To reply to your false premise that Americans have never been oppressed before: I guess you have never heard of COINTELPRO? McCarthyism? Kent State shootings? Ludlow Massacre? The oppression of homosexuals in America? ETC! No evidence of the protestors pushing the grandma. Watch the video then come back to me. This is dishonest and worst than Fox News, maybe. Occupy DC was blocking one part of the building, not buildings. Clashes with police happen because of the POLICE.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "One person attacking a horse does not mean the protestors lose their right to protest" - I'm not saying it doesnt. There has been over 100 incidents of violent or disruptive behavior during these protests from across the US, its pretty well documented that these protests are not completely non-violent and they certainly dont have any unified message whatsoever. "again police officers have been attacking peaceful protestors" -So what? An endless circle of violence?
@GermanConquistador08: The documentation comes mostly the conservative media that attributes every violent incident to occupy protesters w/o evidence. This is not good documentation. Yes they do. One unified message is to stop corporate influence on the government. So what? It is a serious problem that ought to be fixed.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 THIS is not police brutality. These people are being arrested and resisting, they're commiting crimes and they're occasionally being violent. There has been no innocent people brutalized during these peoples because the NAME itself, occupy, already alludes to breaking the law, since none of these people have the right to occupy property as they have done. THey're not protesting, they're literally LIVING on private and public property without permits. They're breaking the law
@GermanConquistador08: If there are people who are serious about the movement, and about the problems that America face, and they cause trouble, people are going to avoid them. Yes you did. You said along the lines of police officers can't just attack people, they don't. Police are attacking people on whim and orders. For example, throwing flash grenade when protesters were trying to help of Scott Olsen, shooting of Scott Campbell with a bean bag while filming, etc.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "stop corporations from influencing the government" -I've tried to stay away from the politics of the movement but even the POLITICS are messed up. A lot of these people are advocates of forgiving student loan debt and socialized programs as well. The problem for them ISNT government bailouts, its that its not going to THEM! The majority of these people are simply WRONG and they've advocating policies that make everyone poorer and tied further to the government.
@GermanConquistador08: Tea party members have been arrested. For example, Nova Guffey got arrested twice, once for selling drugs, and for stealing guns. Daniel Knight Hayden was arrested for making death threats on twitter.
Many people in America want student loan forgiveness. Students are promised that if they go and finish college; they can get a good job, be out of poverty, and so on. So the banks get bailed out, while students have to pay outstanding loans when...
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "The tea party has been hijacked by the neocons" - The tea party candidates have been exactly the OPPOSTE of neocons, and is the only reason why we actually have real fiscal conservatives running for the GOP nomination this year. "Nova Guffey" - First of all, Guffey stepped down in her position in the Tea party to run for office. And she wasnt arrested AT a Tea Party. As for Hayden, again, he commited no actual crimes and was appereheneded BEFORE the event!
Sarah plain, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, and so on.
Nine protesters arrested at the protest in capitol hill. Protester arrested for protesting on the middle of the road. It does not matter if the events were one or two. The point is that it falsifies your claim of zero arrest of tea party members.
Yes there are promised, and not only by the universities but by their parents.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "So how do protesters negate the rights of others?" - By occupying the private property of others they violate private property laws, and by occupying and obstructing public lands like the parks, they essentially disrupt this area for the rest of the citizenry. You cant just take over and LIVE on a piece of public land under the guise of a protest. "Sarah plain, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, and so on." -What about them?
@GermanConquistador08: How would forgiving student loans drive up college cost? There are many factors that contribute to inflation of tuition. Universities and CC are usually non-profit; it is usually the for-profit colleges that scam people so that they can soak up federal loans. But what you said is possible.
That is not hypocrisy. It would have been hypocritical if I held the belief that nobody should get bailouts, and then I went and got a bailout.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "The point is that it falsifies your claim of zero arrest of tea party members." - DURING Tea party events is what I was refering too. Again if that are you're onyl two examples, that still doesnt paint the Occupy movement in positive light because a much larger set of protests, were more peaceful and saw less violence, crime and arrest than the Occupy Movement. "How would forgiving student loans drive up college cost?" - Because eventually we'd need to do it again.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 " It would have been hypocritical if I held the belief that nobody should get bailouts, and then I went and got a bailout" - If you're against the bank and auto bailouts but NOT against bailing out schools, then you're a hypocrite and if you dont think so than you're at the very least making a serious error in judgement. All bailouts are the same no matter who gets the money. Yes its hypocracy to say you're against some bailouts but not all bailouts.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 Look, I'm not going to defend every individual police officers. Some have acted very poorly and I'm not suprised they have. The police to these movements are villians, and theyre treated as such. Outnumbered, outflanked, smeared and yelled at yeah I'm going to assume that some of the officers are jumpy and make mistakes. However, lets give some perspective: 5 maybe 10 at most mainly isolated incidents of police brutality (i'll call it that)...
@GermanConquistador08: You seem to be trying to protect every officer. According to newamericamedia the pepper spray used by Pike was military grade. And if you think the pepper spray was diluted, can you tell me to what scoville heat unit? The students were non violent and protesting ON the campus. The girls were staying in the confines, and got unnecessarily sprayed, maybe that is why Anthony Bologna got transferred.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 The truth of the matter is, the colleges have been setting up this ideal for years to get tuition. They are a BUISNESS that is being handed money by the government and they raise the cost of going to college MORE AND MORE because the government keeps GIVING MORE AND MORE in student loans. Forgiving these loans, will only drive up the cost of going to colleges more expensive in the long run. Its another policy that will help this generation and cripple the next few.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 And again, the very act of occupy public or private space IS A CRIME because it denies the rights of other people who might want to use the parks or universities. "the pepper spray used by Pike was military grade" -Look at the reactions of the girls peppersprayed by the cop in New York. Then look at the kids at the college. You can see SOLDIERS going down to their knees and rolling on the floor. If these kids were hit with REAL pepperspray, they would be on the floor DYING!
@GermanConquistador08: That was real pepper spray. Not everybody who gets hit with pepper spray is going to act like those girls in the NYC video.
No you are on crack. There weren't violating the way teachers and students got to school. They are there to learn but that does not mean they cannot protest.
No that is not the reason they can't find jobs; stop being frivolous.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "Not everybody who gets hit with pepper spray is going to act like those girls in the NYC video" -YES they will. Pepper spray brings trained soldiers to their knees. At the very least those kids should have made a more forceful reaction. That pepper spray was deluded, and any police officer whose volunteered to be pepper sprayed, can tell you that. but that does not mean they cannot protest." - Youre right they but they shouldnt.They have the money to go to college. USE IT
@HispanicIsNotARace1 It would look like anyways. "The students were non violent and protesting ON the campus" -The context tells the true story and context was left out of that video. The U sent them a letter 24-hours in advance saying that they would be forced to leave and it WOULD include pepperspray. They were there for TWO WEEKS violating the way students and teachers needed to get to school WHICH IS WHY THEYRE THERE not to protest! TO LEARN! Maybe thats why they cant find jobs huh?
@HispanicIsNotARace1 AND it wasnt nonviolent at UC Davis. Threats were made to the admins and the police. The whole thing is idiotic. If you have to stand on someones property because you feel strongly enough about something and be in direct violation of the law, then THEY should have taken their pepperspray like men and not cry about it like people have been doing. "Does that mean America should kick back and not protest the government" - No, I just like the perspective is all.
@GermanConquistador08: Proof of them threatening violence to the admins and the police. UC Davis is a Public uni, therefore owned by the state. And UC davis is home to the students.They did take there pepper spray without bitching, but that is not the point.
Again nobody violated anybodies rights. Anybody COULD go into the park. Again shut the fuck up about them not having demands because I named you some already.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "They did take there pepper spray without bitching, but that is not the point." - Then why has every occupy supporter made a giant stink about it like you're doing at the moment. "Anybody COULD go into the park." - Occupying public property is illegal, plain and simple. It doesnt matter if they could still go to the park, they cant use it, without a permit(And yes you need a permit, just because the park belongs to the public doesnt people you get to use it however you want)
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "Again shut the fuck up about them not having demands because I named you some already" - What demands? You havnt told me any that have been addressed by ACTUAL PEOPLE organizing the events or at least speaking for them. And reasonable demands, not generalizations of bs like "end corporate corruption" yes, we will do that by occuping private and public property. "It was a war that happened on American soil." - No part of the US was occupied during the War of 1812.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "every violent incident to occupy protesters w/o evidence" -There's been PLENTY of evidence, people coming forward, videos etc. of occupy violence and criminal activity. Even if you IGNORE (and you are ignoring it) all of that theyre still living on private and public property illegally. "One unified message is to stop corporate influence on the government. It is a serious problem." - That is NOT the unified message. Anti-capitalism, socialism, communist ideologies...
@GermanConquistador08: Just like Scott Campbell was resisting? The people that Anthony Bologna pepper sprayed where also committing crimes? Permit? LOL the Constitution is the permit. People have the right to protest in public places and in POPS.
Where? Show me? The violent protesters pushing an old lady? Which there wasn't any proof of the protesters pushing the lady. How about the police pepper spraying an 84 year old lady? I am not ignoring anything.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 ...compaired with thousands of protestors commit crimes etc. etc. And while Americans are strayed with diluted peper spray WHICH THEY WERE WARNED ABOUT in both cases at the university and those girls in New York, and Americans cry tears of pain over THAT, tens of thousands of Syrians and Persians die by tyrnats bullets trying to fight for ACTUAL FREEDOM and not just intitlements and welfare programs and no one bats an eye? Excuse me if I dont find these incidents horrifying
@GermanConquistador08: Yes, people could say that America has more freedom than places like Syria, but so? Does that mean America should kick back and not protest the government. People could also say Syria has more freedom than some town in Africa but does that mean Syrians should not protest their government?
Yes people do have the right to protest in public spaces. The Constitution doesn't directly say or imply that people cannot have tents to protest, and vice versa.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "Yes people do have the right to protest in public spaces" - Yes they do, BUT that does not mean they can violate the rights of other people who want to use that park but cant because people have PITCHED TENTS there and refused to leave. In Hoovers administration they BURNED out veterns who were occuping a D.C park they were there, they had a set of demands, and REASONS for being there. Occupy has neither of those and they're violating the rights of others.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "? LOL the Constitution is the permit. People have the right to protest in public places" - NO they actually dont. Yes PROTESTING is a right. Assembly is a right HOWEVER the constitution does NOT allow citizens to pitch tents and literally LIVE on public AND PRIVATE property. THAT is illegal and these people dont realize that. They simply have no respect for the law. Which I'd assume seeing most of them are college kids (Who else has the time to sit in a tent for 5 weeks?)
@GermanConquistador08: College kids do not have time to sit in a tent unless they are not going to class. I will assume you never went to college, and you simply do not know what you are talking about.
Many of the protesters are friendly to capitalism, just not to crony capitalism.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "College kids do not have time to sit in a tent unless they are not going to class" - No but apperently they have the ability to sit on a campus green for two weeks like in UC Davis THEY DID! And when I say college, I mean college aged. "Many of the protesters are friendly to capitalism" - We have no idea about that because NO DEMANDS have been amde whatsoever, they're just staying there for no reason. "You never heard of the War of 1812?" -...WHAT ABOUT IT?!
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "I was talking about America turning into a police state" -Which its not. The Jim Crow laws were oppression, anti-migrant and racist militias are opressive. Local PDs? Dont even have the capacity to be oppressive. Only the FBI or interstate police officers could even be oppressive because local PDs dont run within jurisdiction of the federal government. There would be no reason for these officers to be acting oppressive. Period.
@GermanConquistador08: I was replying to your notion that Americans have never been oppressed. And I showed you government oppression also. Yeah this do. Police departments do have the capacity to oppress people. Saying otherwise its just delusional. When the NYPD were secretly spying on Muslims, that is not an act of oppression?
@HispanicIsNotARace1 ..are all making their own in these movements. Secondly, the way they're going about it is wrong. They've made NO concrete demands and the ones they have made are insane. "And I showed you government oppression also" - No you didnt! You showed me essentially a drug bust that resulting in the deaths in the LGBT community, and any other action I can think of are individual local government or police actions. The United States has NEVER been under oppression. I say again
@GermanConquistador08: Most, if not all, and by most I mean 99.9% of the people who are there want to end corporate influence on the government. Anti-capitalism? Please many people who are there are libertarians and believe in the free market capitalism. Socialism? There are some socialism, I believe mostly coming from the democratic socialist, who believe that the economy and society should be democratic. I just gave you one piece of police oppression with the NYPD.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "Please many people who are there are libertarians and believe in the free market capitalism" -I understand that, but the majority of these occupiers are NOT friendly to capitalism looking at their demands and protest signs etc. "US government oppression" - Going back that far, Mexican-American War, Indian conquests, WWI/II intermnets, you know what? You're right several incidents of oppression of certain groups by the US government. HOWEVER, dictatorship, etc....
@GermanConquistador08: You are missing the point. It is not about which interment camps are better. It is still violation of rights. This is akin to people saying "it could be worse". You could justify anything like that.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "Police departments do have the capacity to oppress people" -Individual local departments dont have the resource, manpower or REASON to oppress anyone and theres no evidence of that whatsoever. "When the NYPD were secretly spying on Muslims, that is not an act of oppression? " - In what incident? You give no specifics, just worthless rhetoric. The fact of the matter is, violence, criminal activity and general FILTH have been around the majority of this movement from day 1
You are still advocating that violence, criminal activity rhetoric. Yes they have. I just listed some of them for you, and I listed one of the biggest one: ending corporate influence on the government. Ending corporate influence on the government is insane? No, it is not. Yes I did. COINTELPRO was government oppression. US government oppression: executive order 9835, HUAC, lavender scare, DOMA, Japanese American internment, Palmer Raids, Italian-American internment, German-American internment.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 ...Is what I'm talking about. Take ANY nation besides the US (I'd say Canada as well) have lived under military martial law, dictatorship, religious or ethnic exclusion (I'd rather live in a US interment camp than say British South African concentration camp) Or any government that isnt democratic and for the most part throughout US history, just. War, occupation etc. NEVER touched the United States directly on their soil. This is what I'm trying to get across.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "have never been oppressed before" - Individual states of oppression was NOT what I was talking about, those dont charactize police states. Also "oppression of homosexuals" I love how you put that in (despite there being NO outright oppression of the LGBT community on a mass scale in the US) but not civil rights movements etc. "This is dishonest and worst than Fox News, maybe" - Fox is not a bad news source because you disagree with the political tones of the network.
@GermanConquistador08: That is not the ONLY way to resist arrest lol. You don't have to squirm and so on to be charged with resisting arrest. In my county, resisting arrest charge is a joke. There are very few convictions, and I think it is the same for the rest of the country.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "even though the arrest are infringing on their constitutional right" -Which constitutional rights? Right to peacefully assembly, they lost that right when they screamed and swore at police officers while hitting their horses with signs and resisting arrest. Right to free speech, they've been pretty expressive. "we might be turning into a police state" -Americans have never been oppressed before in US history, they have no idea what oppression is, police state? hardly.
@GermanConquistador08: One person attacking a horse does not mean the protestors lose their right to protest, especially since the police have been attacking peaceful protestors for no apparent reason at all. Screaming and swearing at police officers is understandable since again police officers have been attacking peaceful protestors. I was talking about America turning into a police state not about American's past oppression.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "Look at the Arab spring, civil rights movement, etc. Protesting is very important!" - I' m not saying protesting isnt important. What I'm saying is that THIS particular protest, is meaningless on the basis that it has such a vague purpose as to be beyond recognition and the fact that the majority of people at these protests have no idea what they're talking about. Also the Arab Spring is NOTHING read it NOTHING like the Occupy movement in ANY way, shape, form or fashion.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "been attacking peaceful protestors" - People who make statement like this are ignorant about two things 1. The actions of the occupy protestors (self-explainatory) and 2. The way US police departments generally work. Police officers cant just "attack" people, they dont. For the large majority, they're well trained professionals. Anyone who makes an ignorant claim like "The police are just attacking people" has clearly had no interactions with PDs outside criminal activity.
@GermanConquistador08: Saying that police officers cannot attack people so they don't is simply fallacious. There is no natural force that stops police officers from attacking people. Police brutality is a very real thing, and your ignorance to it is appalling.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 Thats why its almost impossible to say that any particular person at the movement isnt PART of the movement. "Saying that police officers cannot attack people so they don't is simply fallacious" - I never said that. The assumption that these people have is that the police are just attacking people either on a whim or by direct orders. "Police brutality is a very real thing, and your ignorance to it is appalling." -Whats ignoring is thinking whats going on NOW is brutality
@GermanConquistador08: ... smear occupy wallstreet for whatever reason. Occupy wallstreet has many classic anarchistic principles, and has many political ideologies from libertarianism to socialism, but the end point is mostly the same for everyone: stop corporations from influencing the government, ending the war in Afghanistan, ending the fed, etc. Anybody is welcome to protest, but people who do not agree with the movement or don't care could just be going there to cause trouble.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 Again, you cant just say that these are the "troublemakers" of the movement, especially when a majority DO smear, swear and aggiate police officers, block public travel, and ALL OF THEM are breaking the law by occuping these public spaces. And looking back on the Tea Party, a movement larger than the occupy movement in number and diversity for that matter, had ZERO arrests and violent incidents by Tea Party members.So its not too much to ask from occupy to NOT CAUSE PORBLEMS
@GermanConquistador08: First of all, I would not call every single person who swears at the police troublemakers. Are there trouble makers in occupy wallstreet? Sure, there are troublemakers in every movement. I don't think swearing is a crime. Again it is our constitutional right, and many people would say it is our natural right, to protest, this includes in public spaces. The tea party has been hijacked by the neocons as a tool to try and win elections.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "I would not call every single person who swears at the police troublemakers" - I would. Theres no reason for that. "Again it is our constitutional right" - Ok, consitutional rights are SO misread by people like occupy wallstreet. Here's what I mean "this includes in public spaces" YES you have the right to assemble and speak. HOWEVER, that right that YOU have does not NEGATE the right of everyone else in that park! Protestors do NOT take precident over other citizens.
@GermanConquistador08: Of course you would. There is a reason for searing. Not only is swearing a small pain reliever but it can let out built up aggression.
The constitutional rights have precedence over federal laws, state laws, and state constitutions Protesting does not "negate" other amendments in the bill of rights. Protesting does not negate other human rights such as the right to life.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "The constitutional rights have precedence over federal laws, state laws, and state constitutions" - Federal and state laws MUST be compatible with the constitution to EVEN BE legal. Also, notice that anything not delegated in the constitution is directed to the states, 10th amendment. "Protesting does not "negate" other amendments" - It doesnt if you're violating the rights of other people, which the occupy wallstreet DOES by its very NAMESAKE!
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "Anybody is welcome to protest" -And many have done so and commited criminal activites, drug use, rape, public indecendcy, WHILE they protest. Not to mention the harm done to property which has costed tax payers nation-wide around 50 million dollars according to estimates by individual cities and not this "conservative media" boggyman you've been touting. "Just like Scott Campbell was resisting?" -The guy shot while filming near a police line? Gee I wonder why that happen?!
@GermanConquistador08: they cannot even find a job. Education is very important. What socialized programs? You mean health care for all individuals. Anybody has the right to protest, but that does not mean people who committed crimes are protesters. I thought we talked about that already? And can you give me a source for the 50 million figure? Scott Campbell repeatedly asked the question, "is this ok", with NO response. Come on man.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 Seriously, if these two events are the ONLY things you've got ignoring hundreds of peaceful, nonviolent, arrest-free, ACTUALLY LEGAL protests then I'm sorry a rap sheet 100 pages long TRUMPS two marked cases not even AT a Tea Party event itself. "Students are promised that if they go and finish college; they can get a good job" -NO they are not, that is the MESSAGE brought out in the popular culture BY universities but thats not the truth.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "So the banks get bailed out" - The banks NEVER should have got bailed out and if you're against them but not student loans being forgiven then you are a hypocrite my friend. You're ok with bailouts as long as they got to where YOU want them to. Unlike the Tea Party and conservatives who argue against both. "but that does not mean people who committed crimes are protesters" - No it doesnt, BUT many people who commited these crimes ARE the protestors.
@GermanConquistador08: Just like many conservatives in the GOP who hold the belief of tax cuts but won't extend the pay roll tax cut.
It does not deny anybody entrance into the park if they wanted to come. University? It is not a crime to protest at a university, and the university is the student's home.@GermanConquistador08
@HispanicIsNotARace1 Once you bail an industry out once, do you really think that will be the last dime you need to give them? "and CC are usually non-profit" -NO they are not. Public universities still acquire profit from their tutitions. They're not charities, they're either payed for by students and they spent a lot of money on a number of things, and the government is usually fitted with that bill. The private colleges are the ones that can fail and close. Public schools literally CANT
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "who hold the belief of tax cuts but won't extend the pay roll tax cut." -THat is one of the biggest scams in Washington right now. First of all, the pay roll tax cuts were originally tied to Obama's jobs bill, which everyone in the GOP was against because it was basically another stimulus. But now, the GOP wants to be resonsible and cut back on government bureacrats and the dems are making it out to be they have to fire police and firemen which is completely dishonest.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 The GOP wants to pass the payroll taxcuts, they just dont want to do it while giving up the economic inferstructure of the country like the dems are willing to do as nothing more than a political ploy to garner more voters for next election. "if they wanted to come" - Who the hell will be there when half the park is literlly taken over by tentvilles? "It is not a crime to protest" - It is if you're distrubing other students and providing a distraction for studies
@robobrow "and the people they "arrested' have since been let go by the courts and deemed unlawful or Constitutional Rights violations" - While its true that I've seen court cases let go by a mere slap on the wrist, its was NOT because of Constitutional rights violations. No rights have been violated by the police, but LAWS have been BROKEN by occupiers. "Look it up and stop believing Fox News propaganda." - I actually watch Fox (along with other news)I've seen little negative press from Fox.
@GermanConquistador08: 4. constitutional rights have been violated by the police, and protestors have not broken any laws from what I have seen. Protesting peacefully is a right not a privilege.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "constitutional rights have been violated by the police, and protestors have not broken any laws from what I have seen. Protesting peacefully is a right not a privilege." - They've broken laws across the board from vandelism, theft, disruption of peace, blocking traffic and emergency services. These protests have been nothing but a problem for the people of these cities. They're not doing anything important. Also note, the Tea Party Zero arrests. Occupy HUNDREDS!
@GermanConquistador08: Is there violence in Zuccotti Park? Yeah, mostly done by sexual predators on female protestors. There is no evidence linking occupy wallstreet protestors to any crimes such as vandalism, theft, etc. These protest have been the right that the constitution gives us as US citizens. They are doing something important: protesting. Look at the Arab spring, civil rights movement, etc. Protesting is very important!
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "Yeah, mostly done by sexual predators on female protestors." -And you REFUSE to acknowlegde that ANY of these predators could have POSSIBLY been occupy protestors? The Occupiers are the ones stealing and sexually assaulting OTHER occupiers and it would be hard to say otherwise because the occupy movement has no unified base or social connection other than being in the "99%". And vandalism? How about attacking Hot Dog stands in NYC, or shitting on police cars in Oakland.
@GermanConquistador08: Strawman. I am not refusing the possibility that the sexual predators were protesters. I am simply stating that there is no proof that any of the crimes, which you have stated, are linked to occupy protesters. Simply saying that they are does not make it so. Your proposition that they have to be occupiers, because occupy movement has not social connection other than being the 99% is just fallacious, and makes no sense.
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "I am simply stating that there is no proof that any of the crimes, which you have stated, are linked to occupy protesters" - There is a 100 story rap sheet on this movement now of violence, aggitation, and criminal activity. You're saying that MOST of these incidents are not done by occupy protestors DESPITE every single one being people who went to the occupy movement. Anyone who was there, is technically an occupier because theres no set ideology the movement has.
@GermanConquistador08: Where is the report of this 100 story rap sheet? Like I said, most of the documentation are coming from the conservative media, which attributes anything violent to occupy protesters without proof. For example, when NY post tried to link the graffiti being done on the 9/11 memorial to occupy protesters, memorial spokesman said, "We know of no link between Occupy protesters and acts of vandalism." This is just one case out of many that the conservative media tries to
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "coming from the conservative media" - Yes I will admit, its conservatives who posted this rap sheet (although the news stories range in sources) but thats probably becuase this movement is mostly a lefti-wing movement. I seriously doubt other leftists will condemn it simply because it would be against their interests to do so. "anything violent to occupy protesters" - People who say theyre in the momvent, been seen in the movement, ARE IN THE MOVEMENT. End of story.
@robobrow "yelling isn't a crime" - Constantly insulting, making violent gestures to police and refusing to move from an area after it was closed ARE crimes. Vandalization is ALSO a crime constantly commited by these occupiers. Same with theft and sexual assault which has also been a constant at these movements. "after Oakland PD beat the shit out of peaceful protesters and almost killed a marine." - Again theyre not peaceful protests secondly, it was an accident. Robberies and rapes WERE NOT!
@SeisanStnc "Was the looting of America by Wall Street an accident or was it intentional?" -It was neither! First of all, the US government gave massive bailouts to companies like Fannie May, Freddie Mac and GM as well as banks which SHOULD have been allowed to fail (With the exception of banks arguebly) as well as other semi-public corporations like Freddie and Fanny. Wall Street didnt LOOT anyone, they were givenmoney they didnt deserve BY the Obama administration (Banks by Bush though)
@GermanConquistador08 Yes they were. The rapings and vandalism was NOT by the occupyers as it is against their tennents. The occupyers afterwords CLEANED up the mess that was done. Again, they are sending people to do vandalisms othey have a reason to crack down. There have been many stories about this. Don't be a dumb@ss.
@LobsterPotsticker "The occupyers afterwords CLEANED up the mess that was done. Again, they are sending people to do vandalisms othey have a reason to crack down. There have been many stories about this. Don't be a dumb@ss." -None of what you said is true, substainiated by evidence of any kind by anything from media outlets to individual videos or blogs stories etc. Its an unfounded and illogical conspiracy. I bet you believe that Bin Ladin is still alive and Bush blew up the towers huh "dude?
@GermanConquistador08 Everything I said was true idiot. Obviously you couldn't follow a train track let alone this story worth a dime. Also I don't believe Bin Laden was still alive dumb fK or that bush blew up the towers.
@LobsterPotsticker "Everything I said was true idiot. Obviously you couldn't follow a train track let alone this story worth a dime" -Right thats probably it, because I disagree with you I'm the idiot. My point being that this conspiranoia about the police "cracking down" On protestors is a completely idiotically misinformed arguement. Local PDs arent controlled directly by the FBI or federal governments. Anything the PDs do, is for their own local necessity. No opression is taking place.
@o00osimbasmateo00o So let me get this straight: Another grassroots movement, the Tea Party can have MORE demonstrations and LARGER protests than the occupy movement and had an arrest record of ZERO a violent incident rate of ZERO and yet were call violent and racism but THIS movement filled with arrests, violent conduct towards police and each other by the HUNDREDS is peaceful? This is NOT a peaceful movement. AT ALL "Open up your fucking eyes woman." -Man, just for the record. Doesnt matter
Grow up.
doug506 1 month ago
Fucking commies.
EBCSMW 1 month ago
Capitalism is the problem.
3RamakerBaz 2 months ago
Sounds like Seth Rogan. lawl.
xHollowfiedx 3 months ago
so were the police threatened or confused by your potato camera?
HighHippy101 3 months ago
They should shoot the person with the camera with a rubber bullet. Lol that would be awesome
boxcarllc 3 months ago
Only a Liberal can consider riot gear a provocation. I'm a little hazy, but did they need phalanxes of police in riot gear at Tea Party rallies?
I'm usually on the lookout for abuse of power with peace officers, but I kept wishing someone would give this loud-mouth a 'tuning-up' with their baton.
What "right" do you have to block traffic and ignore all the statutes the rest of the city has to deal with?
Call yourselves the '98%' and INCLUDE ME OUT!
fascistcat 3 months ago
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It's the FED, stupid. Watch animantion "The American Dream" (30 min). Never trust a neo-con or a nanny-stater. We need to distinguish between the crooks in the 1% from the decent productive people. Just as we need to disttinguish between them in the 99%. We need a much much larger population of WHITE COLLAR prison inmates, and a smaller one of blue collar.
pkpapers 3 months ago
This guy for president.
SeisanStnc 3 months ago
Sorry bulletproof, I meant to address that to conqueerstador.
pupilofreality 3 months ago
All your typing doesn't matter one iota bulletproof, We will get our government back in the hands of the voters in the end. The multi-national corporations that own our politicians now will lose, because they are poison. The only question is, how f'd up does it have to get before even a shill like you sees the wisdom of living in a democracy of people, and not an oligarchy.
pupilofreality 3 months ago
The medical experimentation in Atascadero included administering, to gay people, a drug that simulated the experience of drowning; in other words, a pharmacological example of waterboarding.
bulletproof2353 3 months ago
@bulletproof2353 By comparison I should stress. Simply put, just because this is a bad situation, doesnt mean there arent worse out there. Also, the stonewall riots are a good example of how physical confrontation generally leads to a worse scenrio for all sides in a conflict. Also, it probably didnt help that the Stonewall Inn was run by the damn mafia which has really the reason for the police raids.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
here let me help you "Gay people who were sentenced to medical institutions because they were found to be sexual psychopaths, were subjected sometimes to sterilization, occasionally to castration, sometimes to medical procedures, such as lobotomies, which were felt by some doctors to cure homosexuality and other sexual diseases. The most infamous of those institutions was Atascadero, in California. Atascadero was known in gay circles as the Dachau for queers, and appropriately so.
bulletproof2353 3 months ago
@bulletproof2353 The stonewall uprisings were part of the upheaval of the 1960s and generally got out of control for the same reason as occupy, a very vague messag obscured by violence, indecision and idiotic pratices such as the overuse of drugs and sex as part of their identity which made them very hard to indentify with for the average American. The fact of the matter is, not everyone in America has been treated fairly. But to compaire it to the modern times or to other countries, its not bad
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
and you a fucking biggot ,you have no clue about homosexual oppression or anything else , why dont you try google the stonewall inn or the documentry stonewall uprising and look at the comments on Atascadero, in California. in the transcript or god forbid, watch it
bulletproof2353 3 months ago
@bulletproof2353 "4 major corporations own the entirety of the media" -That is literally meaningless now with the invetion of handheld recording and internet which essentially can speak with the mainstream media reporting it (The MSM being less and less important every year) "and you a fucking biggot ,you have no clue about homosexual oppression" - By that definition, anyone who doesnt simply KNOW about oppression is a bigot. How the HELL does that make sense?
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power. "
Benito Mussolini ,
this is EXACTLY what we have here,only much much worse, because the very same corporate power is not only in control of the government ,but it is also in control of the 4th estate,the media ,4 major corporations own the entirety of the media,that is what produces such defective thinking as your own
bulletproof2353 3 months ago
@bulletproof2353 "just like every war the U.S. hase been in since ww1" - American war policy is generally been the same as other world powers but at least the US's generally leads to better outcomes. I personally hate it, I'd rather see my home countries have more influence in the world than the US but I'm still grateful for the things that US policy has given to me so far aside from a few annoyances and grievances. "are a form of corporate wellfare" -Which SHOULD be gotten rid of I agree.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
they are over there protecting corporate profits, they are a form of corporate wellfare, they are there to do the bidding of banks and multinational corporations to not only no loyalty to any nation but who are pushing an agenda to end the sovereignty of not only america,but all nations ,the agenda is plain as fucking day ,they dont even hide it,they openly come out and say it now, 1 world government , end soverignty,this is fascisim as defined by el duche, benitto Mussolini himself
bulletproof2353 3 months ago
@bulletproof2353 And the vasy majority of Ameridian and Native American deaths came form disease not directly from warefare of which the Spanish were horrifed of (The disease, war was a mutal part of Spanish and Mexica culture) The two cultures had more in common than most realize looking at their histories. Its no wonder their cultures meshed so well especially in Mexico. This is usually my problem, people like you just dont know their history so I have to explain it to them at length.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@bulletproof2353 The general outlook of the protests is actually agreed upon, the problem is what you people dont understand is basic economics. The subsides, bailouts and massive funding (including departments like the EPA, schools and healthcare as well as student loans) allows these entities to gain power and buy elections. If the government didnt have these things there would be no power to fight for. Attacking corporations who are legally using the system is stupid, change the system.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@bulletproof2353 "this is EXACTLY what we have here" -No it isnt, and your quote from Mussolini out of context proves your ignorance of history. Looking at what Mussilini ACTUALLY DID was NOT what you think it was. Basically, the Italian government forced corporations to comply with Fascist law and the whims of the Italian state and military and threatened nationalization if they did otherwise. Thats Corporatism, NOT allowing corporations to control governments. Thats generally socialism.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
peacefully and to peaceably assemble ,its in the bill of rights,the right to assembly,the right to air grievances ,this is fucking bullshit, this is a police state, wake the fuck up this is a fascist government owned by big banks and corporations this is all done to further their interests, not your,just like every war the U.S. hase been in since ww1 ,these people think they are fighting for "our freedom" or "to protect us" "protect america" that is fucking bullshit propaganda at its finest,
bulletproof2353 3 months ago
@bulletproof2353 First of all, the Conquistadors conquered the lands of Mexico (Shocking isnt it) They did NOT murder native Americans in modern day US and the first nations of Canada. That was mainly British settlers and later American Jacksonian era atrocities. The difference being that the Mexica tribal empires (The Aztecs included, of whom I am decendent) had full knowledge of the ideas of occupation, conquest, convertion, assimilation. The Native Americans did not. See the difference?
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@bulletproof2353 "this is fucking bullshit, this is a police state" - Like in Colonial India where British Raj police beat protestors with bamboo sticks? Or in Syria or Iran where they turn the ACTUAL military on protestors hosing them down with gunfire? Seriously, if this is a police state than what the hell is the rule in Cuba or Venezuela? "this is a fascist government owned by big banks and corporations" -The reason that private entities can gain power is because there is power to gain.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@germanconquistador08 wow your fucking ignorant, and by your handle a nazi and lover of the conquistadors ,who murdered millions of native american people and stole their land, is it any wonder you side with oppression? they are being trained by the fed you moron, this shit never fucking existed before ,where do you think this paramilitary training and gear and funding comes from?not from local taxes you moron, this is a violation of civil rights and liberties people have the right to protest
bulletproof2353 3 months ago
@bulletproof2353 "wow your fucking ignorant, and by your handle a nazi and lover of the conquistadors" -I'm just gonna stop you right there. 1. How am I the ignorant one when you label Germans and Nazi together? 2. GermanConquistador is a homage to my decent not my socio-political positions. I'm German and I was born in Mexico but I've always loved early Spanish history. Seems an appropriate tag. "who murdered millions of native american people and stole their land" - Thats not even close.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@bulletproof2353 "think this paramilitary training and gear and funding comes from?not from local taxes you moron" - Riot training is part of general metrapolitian police training. Yes its not usually employed in rural or suburban police training but for urban police its a central part of their training. Its NOT paramilitary, not under any definition of the word. And YES local urban taxes DO go to the local metrapolitian police force. This is not a hard concept to understand.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
where is Anonymous when you need them...
epson999 4 months ago
@epson999 fuck off
Nootson08 4 months ago
@Nootson08 oh man, you're so cool, fragments are so sick. awesome man!
epson999 4 months ago
but the next time you get robbed your gonna be crying about how the police didnt get there in time and how youd you feel if one of you cockbag liberal friends shot at a group of other stupidass liberal cockbags and there were no cops to stop that threat?
unsloppyjoe 4 months ago
No schools but great police gear? Oakland is almost as bad as LA no wonder they need go gear. Oakland has so many gangs.
Curevicc 4 months ago
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Johnnyboydeuce 4 months ago
wheres oakland?
LandRaidingZombie 4 months ago
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LandRaidingZombie 4 months ago
Some commenters here seem to think that angry yelling justifies police violence. I assume that these people would have absolutely no problem with the cops opening fire on a Tea Party protest, right?
NYanarchy08 4 months ago
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WAKE UP WHITE PEOPLE THEY COMING AFTER YOU TOO.
kaleif1 4 months ago
WE THE PEOPLE NOT MEN WITH WAR SHILLS ON.
kaleif1 4 months ago
Expressing their rights down destroying a city...fucking hippies should be shot. FUCK hippies. GET A FUCKING JOB you piece of SHIT.
PauseBroke 4 months ago
I love capitalism and have a dream do work for my house and money. Screw these hippies.
piscataway15 4 months ago
NWO this is going to happen all over the world real soon.
32504 4 months ago 9
@32504 Yep It suureee is
MrGeorgeGibb 4 months ago
@32504 How is NWO bad?
X7ELI7X 4 months ago
Why are there so many police and so little schools this guy says.. Well uh maybe try taking a look at all the criminals in your state and then asking yourselves that.
If there was not so many criminals they would not need so many police and then maybe they could focus on building better schools. Who's fault is this? The criminals not the police.
Oh and by the way this does not look like a very "Peaceful" protest to me..
everyonewantsmedead 4 months ago
When was the last time you had to stand there doing your job and take this kind of verbal abuse? Did you ever stop to think these officers are there to protect you in case some idiot were to do something stupid? And the reason they have all this protective gear is because they can't protect you unless each and every one of them is protected first. It's idiots like you that stand there screaming at the people doing their jobs that are the problem. Go back to work.
Shmimig 4 months ago
@Shmimig they're not there to protect. they're there to shoot veterans in the HEAD and put them in comas for exercising free speach.
LobsterPotsticker 4 months ago
We love you, Oakland Occupiers!
Sincerely,
The rest of the nation and occupiers all over the world
SeisanStnc 4 months ago 3
Doesn't anyone think it's strange that President Obama has not addressed this OWS at all?
ShockLoss1 4 months ago 3
@ShockLoss1 he's a corporate shill
in an essentially one party system government
LobsterPotsticker 4 months ago
Wow.... did he really just say "I declare this assembly to be unlawful"... really? Yeah, fuck you cops; thanks for making it obvious that you're not here to protect our rights anymore. Does anybody remember that little part of the CONSTITUTION... "Citizens shall have the RIGHT to peaceably assemble"...?
Yeah, fuck the pig-cops...
melbyRick 4 months ago 4
Will we allow them to reduce us to serfs begging for a place to huddle with a bowl of rice and a place to lie down? Today has been in the making for a long time. Obama acts like a dictator ordering the assassination of a US citizens and Congress is under the complete control of a foreign power. It is like the US has become an Israeli colony. Every dime you pay in taxes goes into debt service to the Federal Reserve which is owned by banks that are all owned by Jews. Just the facts jack.
aubreyfarmer 4 months ago 3
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the police should get a real job.
salvador0919 4 months ago
remember the true enemy is not the police but the ones giving them their orders
RoninDave 4 months ago
I am 17 years old in college guys got a point were do i sign up to be apart of this portests
BorntoSEAL 4 months ago
Ok, this guy is very worked up...
These riot officers do need that gear, and they plan to use it even if they never have to. Better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it, right?
What if they situation does turn violent? What if the number of protesters alone would be enough to break a line of officers if they didn't have riot gear?
x82ndODSTx 4 months ago 2
This guy is a moron. YES they need that gear. Why? Just in case these guys decide to wreck up some shit. Thye wear that gear IN CASE something happens.
GermanConquistador08 4 months ago
@GermanConquistador08 totally agree with you on that. what most people don't understand is when you congregate in mass it presents a threat to everyone not just the protesters or the police
kingcellaa 4 months ago 2
@kingcellaa Seriously, these protesters have hurt each other more than the police have. In New York they had to make a "safe" area for women because of repeated abuses, rapes, molestations and assaults. And thats just for the women. Men are being robbed and beaten and their tents stolen and then they insult and belittle the police who would be all to willing to protect them if they would just stop verbally abusing them. Honestly, its sickening.
GermanConquistador08 4 months ago 3
@GermanConquistador08 No they haven't. The people doing that aren't protesters.
The police have been telling homless to go into the camps to discredit it. Wake up.
LobsterPotsticker 4 months ago 2
@LobsterPotsticker "The police have been telling homless to go into the camps to discredit it. Wake up." -...really? Really? Thats the best you got? The police are TELLING homeless people to steal, rape and mug protesters? You have to be an IDIOT to believe this. First of all, WHY?! On two cases. Why would POLICE, individual officers ask homeless people to do into the camps. 2. EVEN IF that was true WHY would homeless people AGREE! And then be arrested (which police HAVE arrested offenders)
GermanConquistador08 4 months ago
@GermanConquistador08 The occupy movement is a peaceful one. There has not been one case where a police officer has been assaulted or anywhere close. The cops are being brutal towards normal, peaceful citizens, with innocent people continually being harmed and arrested for no reason. New laws are being created to stop 'assembly' even when it's fucking peaceful. Open up your fucking eyes woman.
o00osimbasmateo00o 4 months ago 3
@o00osimbasmateo00o "There has not been one case where a police officer has been assaulted or anywhere close" - There have been over 100 incidents of violence or other inappropriate conduct durig these movements. Yes, the police arent being hurt by wimpy college kids (for the most part) big suprised. But you know who ARE being hurt? Protesters NOT by police, but by OTHER PROTESTER! "The cops are being brutal" -AHA!!! Try the civil rights or Indian independence movement for REAL police brutality!
GermanConquistador08 4 months ago
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@o00osimbasmateo00o "normal, peaceful citizens" -Look at this video alone! These kids are yelling, swearing at these police officers who are JUST STANDING THERE! Look at other videos man, thee are NOT peaceful protests. Yes for a large part its mostly peaceful demonstration but when met with ANY resistance they turn verbally brutal and [hysically disorderly. Just because theyre not throwing punches doesnt mean theyre peaceful. "New laws are being created to stop 'assembly'" -Already in place!
GermanConquistador08 4 months ago
@GermanConquistador08 They are yelling because their rights have been infringed upon hundreds of times since the movement started. And last I heard, yelling isn't a crime. You completely missed the point of the video, which was made the second night after Oakland PD beat the shit out of peaceful protesters and almost killed a marine.
robobrow 4 months ago 11
@robobrow "They are yelling because their rights have been infringed upon hundreds of times since the movement started" -What rights?! Peacefully assemble? You lose that right when you start verbally assaulting police officers, WHICH has been going on SINCE THE BEGINING of the movement! Did thye verbalize police officers about infringing on their rights...BEFORE they started to infringe upon their rights, WHICH the police HAVNT to any measureble degree. Occupiers have BROKEN LAWS!
GermanConquistador08 4 months ago
@GermanConquistador08 Actually this is not true. The "yelling" only started when police came and treated them like a riot. They were peacefully assembled and the majority have been non-violently resisting arrest. You can see the panic the police caused in the streets of NYC, the excessive force they used, and the people they "arrested' have since been let go by the courts and deemed unlawful or Constitutional Rights violations. Look it up and stop believing Fox News propaganda.
robobrow 4 months ago 6
@robobrow "The "yelling" only started when police came and treated them like a riot." - You mean like how they BEEN ACTING. I'm sorry, when you resist arrest, resist detainment or insult the police YES you have ever right to be treated that way. "majority have been non-violently resisting arrest" -I agree, the majority are BUT a LARGE MINORITY of the occupiers are NOT resisting peacefully. "can see the panic the police caused in the streets of NYC" -The panic is due to the occupiers being there
GermanConquistador08 4 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: 1. Who are talking about? The protesters have not been acting in anyway that resembles a riot. 2. Resiting arrest? In what way? I have not seen anybody resist arrest even though the arrest are infringing on their constitutional right. 3. Yeah the panic is due to the protestors being there because we might be turning into a police state.
HispanicIsNotARace1 4 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "The protesters have not been acting in anyway that resembles a riot" - Blocking buildings, pushing people down stairs, clashes with police. They're NOT a riot but they resemble one. "Resiting arrest? In what way?" - Exactly in the ONLY way there is to resist arrest, running, squirming, and generally not allowing the police officer to handcuff you and take you away. Specifically, not getting up to and forced to be dragged was a popular one in new york.
GermanConquistador08 4 months ago
German: To reply to your false premise that Americans have never been oppressed before: I guess you have never heard of COINTELPRO? McCarthyism? Kent State shootings? Ludlow Massacre? The oppression of homosexuals in America? ETC! No evidence of the protestors pushing the grandma. Watch the video then come back to me. This is dishonest and worst than Fox News, maybe. Occupy DC was blocking one part of the building, not buildings. Clashes with police happen because of the POLICE.
HispanicIsNotARace1 4 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "One person attacking a horse does not mean the protestors lose their right to protest" - I'm not saying it doesnt. There has been over 100 incidents of violent or disruptive behavior during these protests from across the US, its pretty well documented that these protests are not completely non-violent and they certainly dont have any unified message whatsoever. "again police officers have been attacking peaceful protestors" -So what? An endless circle of violence?
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: The documentation comes mostly the conservative media that attributes every violent incident to occupy protesters w/o evidence. This is not good documentation. Yes they do. One unified message is to stop corporate influence on the government. So what? It is a serious problem that ought to be fixed.
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 THIS is not police brutality. These people are being arrested and resisting, they're commiting crimes and they're occasionally being violent. There has been no innocent people brutalized during these peoples because the NAME itself, occupy, already alludes to breaking the law, since none of these people have the right to occupy property as they have done. THey're not protesting, they're literally LIVING on private and public property without permits. They're breaking the law
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: If there are people who are serious about the movement, and about the problems that America face, and they cause trouble, people are going to avoid them. Yes you did. You said along the lines of police officers can't just attack people, they don't. Police are attacking people on whim and orders. For example, throwing flash grenade when protesters were trying to help of Scott Olsen, shooting of Scott Campbell with a bean bag while filming, etc.
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "stop corporations from influencing the government" -I've tried to stay away from the politics of the movement but even the POLITICS are messed up. A lot of these people are advocates of forgiving student loan debt and socialized programs as well. The problem for them ISNT government bailouts, its that its not going to THEM! The majority of these people are simply WRONG and they've advocating policies that make everyone poorer and tied further to the government.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: Tea party members have been arrested. For example, Nova Guffey got arrested twice, once for selling drugs, and for stealing guns. Daniel Knight Hayden was arrested for making death threats on twitter.
Many people in America want student loan forgiveness. Students are promised that if they go and finish college; they can get a good job, be out of poverty, and so on. So the banks get bailed out, while students have to pay outstanding loans when...
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "The tea party has been hijacked by the neocons" - The tea party candidates have been exactly the OPPOSTE of neocons, and is the only reason why we actually have real fiscal conservatives running for the GOP nomination this year. "Nova Guffey" - First of all, Guffey stepped down in her position in the Tea party to run for office. And she wasnt arrested AT a Tea Party. As for Hayden, again, he commited no actual crimes and was appereheneded BEFORE the event!
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: So how do protesters negate the rights of others?
Sarah plain, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, and so on.
Nine protesters arrested at the protest in capitol hill. Protester arrested for protesting on the middle of the road. It does not matter if the events were one or two. The point is that it falsifies your claim of zero arrest of tea party members.
Yes there are promised, and not only by the universities but by their parents.
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "So how do protesters negate the rights of others?" - By occupying the private property of others they violate private property laws, and by occupying and obstructing public lands like the parks, they essentially disrupt this area for the rest of the citizenry. You cant just take over and LIVE on a piece of public land under the guise of a protest. "Sarah plain, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, and so on." -What about them?
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: How would forgiving student loans drive up college cost? There are many factors that contribute to inflation of tuition. Universities and CC are usually non-profit; it is usually the for-profit colleges that scam people so that they can soak up federal loans. But what you said is possible.
That is not hypocrisy. It would have been hypocritical if I held the belief that nobody should get bailouts, and then I went and got a bailout.
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "The point is that it falsifies your claim of zero arrest of tea party members." - DURING Tea party events is what I was refering too. Again if that are you're onyl two examples, that still doesnt paint the Occupy movement in positive light because a much larger set of protests, were more peaceful and saw less violence, crime and arrest than the Occupy Movement. "How would forgiving student loans drive up college cost?" - Because eventually we'd need to do it again.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 " It would have been hypocritical if I held the belief that nobody should get bailouts, and then I went and got a bailout" - If you're against the bank and auto bailouts but NOT against bailing out schools, then you're a hypocrite and if you dont think so than you're at the very least making a serious error in judgement. All bailouts are the same no matter who gets the money. Yes its hypocracy to say you're against some bailouts but not all bailouts.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 Look, I'm not going to defend every individual police officers. Some have acted very poorly and I'm not suprised they have. The police to these movements are villians, and theyre treated as such. Outnumbered, outflanked, smeared and yelled at yeah I'm going to assume that some of the officers are jumpy and make mistakes. However, lets give some perspective: 5 maybe 10 at most mainly isolated incidents of police brutality (i'll call it that)...
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: You seem to be trying to protect every officer. According to newamericamedia the pepper spray used by Pike was military grade. And if you think the pepper spray was diluted, can you tell me to what scoville heat unit? The students were non violent and protesting ON the campus. The girls were staying in the confines, and got unnecessarily sprayed, maybe that is why Anthony Bologna got transferred.
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 The truth of the matter is, the colleges have been setting up this ideal for years to get tuition. They are a BUISNESS that is being handed money by the government and they raise the cost of going to college MORE AND MORE because the government keeps GIVING MORE AND MORE in student loans. Forgiving these loans, will only drive up the cost of going to colleges more expensive in the long run. Its another policy that will help this generation and cripple the next few.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 And again, the very act of occupy public or private space IS A CRIME because it denies the rights of other people who might want to use the parks or universities. "the pepper spray used by Pike was military grade" -Look at the reactions of the girls peppersprayed by the cop in New York. Then look at the kids at the college. You can see SOLDIERS going down to their knees and rolling on the floor. If these kids were hit with REAL pepperspray, they would be on the floor DYING!
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: That was real pepper spray. Not everybody who gets hit with pepper spray is going to act like those girls in the NYC video.
No you are on crack. There weren't violating the way teachers and students got to school. They are there to learn but that does not mean they cannot protest.
No that is not the reason they can't find jobs; stop being frivolous.
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "Not everybody who gets hit with pepper spray is going to act like those girls in the NYC video" -YES they will. Pepper spray brings trained soldiers to their knees. At the very least those kids should have made a more forceful reaction. That pepper spray was deluded, and any police officer whose volunteered to be pepper sprayed, can tell you that. but that does not mean they cannot protest." - Youre right they but they shouldnt.They have the money to go to college. USE IT
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 It would look like anyways. "The students were non violent and protesting ON the campus" -The context tells the true story and context was left out of that video. The U sent them a letter 24-hours in advance saying that they would be forced to leave and it WOULD include pepperspray. They were there for TWO WEEKS violating the way students and teachers needed to get to school WHICH IS WHY THEYRE THERE not to protest! TO LEARN! Maybe thats why they cant find jobs huh?
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 AND it wasnt nonviolent at UC Davis. Threats were made to the admins and the police. The whole thing is idiotic. If you have to stand on someones property because you feel strongly enough about something and be in direct violation of the law, then THEY should have taken their pepperspray like men and not cry about it like people have been doing. "Does that mean America should kick back and not protest the government" - No, I just like the perspective is all.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: Proof of them threatening violence to the admins and the police. UC Davis is a Public uni, therefore owned by the state. And UC davis is home to the students.They did take there pepper spray without bitching, but that is not the point.
Again nobody violated anybodies rights. Anybody COULD go into the park. Again shut the fuck up about them not having demands because I named you some already.
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "They did take there pepper spray without bitching, but that is not the point." - Then why has every occupy supporter made a giant stink about it like you're doing at the moment. "Anybody COULD go into the park." - Occupying public property is illegal, plain and simple. It doesnt matter if they could still go to the park, they cant use it, without a permit(And yes you need a permit, just because the park belongs to the public doesnt people you get to use it however you want)
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "Again shut the fuck up about them not having demands because I named you some already" - What demands? You havnt told me any that have been addressed by ACTUAL PEOPLE organizing the events or at least speaking for them. And reasonable demands, not generalizations of bs like "end corporate corruption" yes, we will do that by occuping private and public property. "It was a war that happened on American soil." - No part of the US was occupied during the War of 1812.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "every violent incident to occupy protesters w/o evidence" -There's been PLENTY of evidence, people coming forward, videos etc. of occupy violence and criminal activity. Even if you IGNORE (and you are ignoring it) all of that theyre still living on private and public property illegally. "One unified message is to stop corporate influence on the government. It is a serious problem." - That is NOT the unified message. Anti-capitalism, socialism, communist ideologies...
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: Just like Scott Campbell was resisting? The people that Anthony Bologna pepper sprayed where also committing crimes? Permit? LOL the Constitution is the permit. People have the right to protest in public places and in POPS.
Where? Show me? The violent protesters pushing an old lady? Which there wasn't any proof of the protesters pushing the lady. How about the police pepper spraying an 84 year old lady? I am not ignoring anything.
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 ...compaired with thousands of protestors commit crimes etc. etc. And while Americans are strayed with diluted peper spray WHICH THEY WERE WARNED ABOUT in both cases at the university and those girls in New York, and Americans cry tears of pain over THAT, tens of thousands of Syrians and Persians die by tyrnats bullets trying to fight for ACTUAL FREEDOM and not just intitlements and welfare programs and no one bats an eye? Excuse me if I dont find these incidents horrifying
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: Yes, people could say that America has more freedom than places like Syria, but so? Does that mean America should kick back and not protest the government. People could also say Syria has more freedom than some town in Africa but does that mean Syrians should not protest their government?
Yes people do have the right to protest in public spaces. The Constitution doesn't directly say or imply that people cannot have tents to protest, and vice versa.
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "Yes people do have the right to protest in public spaces" - Yes they do, BUT that does not mean they can violate the rights of other people who want to use that park but cant because people have PITCHED TENTS there and refused to leave. In Hoovers administration they BURNED out veterns who were occuping a D.C park they were there, they had a set of demands, and REASONS for being there. Occupy has neither of those and they're violating the rights of others.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: Yeah because it is simple opportunity cost.
What about it? It was a war that happened on American soil. Famously known for British soldiers burning the White house.
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "? LOL the Constitution is the permit. People have the right to protest in public places" - NO they actually dont. Yes PROTESTING is a right. Assembly is a right HOWEVER the constitution does NOT allow citizens to pitch tents and literally LIVE on public AND PRIVATE property. THAT is illegal and these people dont realize that. They simply have no respect for the law. Which I'd assume seeing most of them are college kids (Who else has the time to sit in a tent for 5 weeks?)
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: College kids do not have time to sit in a tent unless they are not going to class. I will assume you never went to college, and you simply do not know what you are talking about.
Many of the protesters are friendly to capitalism, just not to crony capitalism.
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "College kids do not have time to sit in a tent unless they are not going to class" - No but apperently they have the ability to sit on a campus green for two weeks like in UC Davis THEY DID! And when I say college, I mean college aged. "Many of the protesters are friendly to capitalism" - We have no idea about that because NO DEMANDS have been amde whatsoever, they're just staying there for no reason. "You never heard of the War of 1812?" -...WHAT ABOUT IT?!
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "I was talking about America turning into a police state" -Which its not. The Jim Crow laws were oppression, anti-migrant and racist militias are opressive. Local PDs? Dont even have the capacity to be oppressive. Only the FBI or interstate police officers could even be oppressive because local PDs dont run within jurisdiction of the federal government. There would be no reason for these officers to be acting oppressive. Period.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: I was replying to your notion that Americans have never been oppressed. And I showed you government oppression also. Yeah this do. Police departments do have the capacity to oppress people. Saying otherwise its just delusional. When the NYPD were secretly spying on Muslims, that is not an act of oppression?
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 ..are all making their own in these movements. Secondly, the way they're going about it is wrong. They've made NO concrete demands and the ones they have made are insane. "And I showed you government oppression also" - No you didnt! You showed me essentially a drug bust that resulting in the deaths in the LGBT community, and any other action I can think of are individual local government or police actions. The United States has NEVER been under oppression. I say again
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: Most, if not all, and by most I mean 99.9% of the people who are there want to end corporate influence on the government. Anti-capitalism? Please many people who are there are libertarians and believe in the free market capitalism. Socialism? There are some socialism, I believe mostly coming from the democratic socialist, who believe that the economy and society should be democratic. I just gave you one piece of police oppression with the NYPD.
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "Please many people who are there are libertarians and believe in the free market capitalism" -I understand that, but the majority of these occupiers are NOT friendly to capitalism looking at their demands and protest signs etc. "US government oppression" - Going back that far, Mexican-American War, Indian conquests, WWI/II intermnets, you know what? You're right several incidents of oppression of certain groups by the US government. HOWEVER, dictatorship, etc....
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: You are missing the point. It is not about which interment camps are better. It is still violation of rights. This is akin to people saying "it could be worse". You could justify anything like that.
You never heard of the War of 1812?
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "Police departments do have the capacity to oppress people" -Individual local departments dont have the resource, manpower or REASON to oppress anyone and theres no evidence of that whatsoever. "When the NYPD were secretly spying on Muslims, that is not an act of oppression? " - In what incident? You give no specifics, just worthless rhetoric. The fact of the matter is, violence, criminal activity and general FILTH have been around the majority of this movement from day 1
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
You are still advocating that violence, criminal activity rhetoric. Yes they have. I just listed some of them for you, and I listed one of the biggest one: ending corporate influence on the government. Ending corporate influence on the government is insane? No, it is not. Yes I did. COINTELPRO was government oppression. US government oppression: executive order 9835, HUAC, lavender scare, DOMA, Japanese American internment, Palmer Raids, Italian-American internment, German-American internment.
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 ...Is what I'm talking about. Take ANY nation besides the US (I'd say Canada as well) have lived under military martial law, dictatorship, religious or ethnic exclusion (I'd rather live in a US interment camp than say British South African concentration camp) Or any government that isnt democratic and for the most part throughout US history, just. War, occupation etc. NEVER touched the United States directly on their soil. This is what I'm trying to get across.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "have never been oppressed before" - Individual states of oppression was NOT what I was talking about, those dont charactize police states. Also "oppression of homosexuals" I love how you put that in (despite there being NO outright oppression of the LGBT community on a mass scale in the US) but not civil rights movements etc. "This is dishonest and worst than Fox News, maybe" - Fox is not a bad news source because you disagree with the political tones of the network.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: That is not the ONLY way to resist arrest lol. You don't have to squirm and so on to be charged with resisting arrest. In my county, resisting arrest charge is a joke. There are very few convictions, and I think it is the same for the rest of the country.
HispanicIsNotARace1 4 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "even though the arrest are infringing on their constitutional right" -Which constitutional rights? Right to peacefully assembly, they lost that right when they screamed and swore at police officers while hitting their horses with signs and resisting arrest. Right to free speech, they've been pretty expressive. "we might be turning into a police state" -Americans have never been oppressed before in US history, they have no idea what oppression is, police state? hardly.
GermanConquistador08 4 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: One person attacking a horse does not mean the protestors lose their right to protest, especially since the police have been attacking peaceful protestors for no apparent reason at all. Screaming and swearing at police officers is understandable since again police officers have been attacking peaceful protestors. I was talking about America turning into a police state not about American's past oppression.
HispanicIsNotARace1 4 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "Look at the Arab spring, civil rights movement, etc. Protesting is very important!" - I' m not saying protesting isnt important. What I'm saying is that THIS particular protest, is meaningless on the basis that it has such a vague purpose as to be beyond recognition and the fact that the majority of people at these protests have no idea what they're talking about. Also the Arab Spring is NOTHING read it NOTHING like the Occupy movement in ANY way, shape, form or fashion.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "been attacking peaceful protestors" - People who make statement like this are ignorant about two things 1. The actions of the occupy protestors (self-explainatory) and 2. The way US police departments generally work. Police officers cant just "attack" people, they dont. For the large majority, they're well trained professionals. Anyone who makes an ignorant claim like "The police are just attacking people" has clearly had no interactions with PDs outside criminal activity.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: Saying that police officers cannot attack people so they don't is simply fallacious. There is no natural force that stops police officers from attacking people. Police brutality is a very real thing, and your ignorance to it is appalling.
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 Thats why its almost impossible to say that any particular person at the movement isnt PART of the movement. "Saying that police officers cannot attack people so they don't is simply fallacious" - I never said that. The assumption that these people have is that the police are just attacking people either on a whim or by direct orders. "Police brutality is a very real thing, and your ignorance to it is appalling." -Whats ignoring is thinking whats going on NOW is brutality
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: ... smear occupy wallstreet for whatever reason. Occupy wallstreet has many classic anarchistic principles, and has many political ideologies from libertarianism to socialism, but the end point is mostly the same for everyone: stop corporations from influencing the government, ending the war in Afghanistan, ending the fed, etc. Anybody is welcome to protest, but people who do not agree with the movement or don't care could just be going there to cause trouble.
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 Again, you cant just say that these are the "troublemakers" of the movement, especially when a majority DO smear, swear and aggiate police officers, block public travel, and ALL OF THEM are breaking the law by occuping these public spaces. And looking back on the Tea Party, a movement larger than the occupy movement in number and diversity for that matter, had ZERO arrests and violent incidents by Tea Party members.So its not too much to ask from occupy to NOT CAUSE PORBLEMS
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: First of all, I would not call every single person who swears at the police troublemakers. Are there trouble makers in occupy wallstreet? Sure, there are troublemakers in every movement. I don't think swearing is a crime. Again it is our constitutional right, and many people would say it is our natural right, to protest, this includes in public spaces. The tea party has been hijacked by the neocons as a tool to try and win elections.
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "I would not call every single person who swears at the police troublemakers" - I would. Theres no reason for that. "Again it is our constitutional right" - Ok, consitutional rights are SO misread by people like occupy wallstreet. Here's what I mean "this includes in public spaces" YES you have the right to assemble and speak. HOWEVER, that right that YOU have does not NEGATE the right of everyone else in that park! Protestors do NOT take precident over other citizens.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: Of course you would. There is a reason for searing. Not only is swearing a small pain reliever but it can let out built up aggression.
The constitutional rights have precedence over federal laws, state laws, and state constitutions Protesting does not "negate" other amendments in the bill of rights. Protesting does not negate other human rights such as the right to life.
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "The constitutional rights have precedence over federal laws, state laws, and state constitutions" - Federal and state laws MUST be compatible with the constitution to EVEN BE legal. Also, notice that anything not delegated in the constitution is directed to the states, 10th amendment. "Protesting does not "negate" other amendments" - It doesnt if you're violating the rights of other people, which the occupy wallstreet DOES by its very NAMESAKE!
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "Anybody is welcome to protest" -And many have done so and commited criminal activites, drug use, rape, public indecendcy, WHILE they protest. Not to mention the harm done to property which has costed tax payers nation-wide around 50 million dollars according to estimates by individual cities and not this "conservative media" boggyman you've been touting. "Just like Scott Campbell was resisting?" -The guy shot while filming near a police line? Gee I wonder why that happen?!
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: they cannot even find a job. Education is very important. What socialized programs? You mean health care for all individuals. Anybody has the right to protest, but that does not mean people who committed crimes are protesters. I thought we talked about that already? And can you give me a source for the 50 million figure? Scott Campbell repeatedly asked the question, "is this ok", with NO response. Come on man.
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 Seriously, if these two events are the ONLY things you've got ignoring hundreds of peaceful, nonviolent, arrest-free, ACTUALLY LEGAL protests then I'm sorry a rap sheet 100 pages long TRUMPS two marked cases not even AT a Tea Party event itself. "Students are promised that if they go and finish college; they can get a good job" -NO they are not, that is the MESSAGE brought out in the popular culture BY universities but thats not the truth.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "So the banks get bailed out" - The banks NEVER should have got bailed out and if you're against them but not student loans being forgiven then you are a hypocrite my friend. You're ok with bailouts as long as they got to where YOU want them to. Unlike the Tea Party and conservatives who argue against both. "but that does not mean people who committed crimes are protesters" - No it doesnt, BUT many people who commited these crimes ARE the protestors.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: Just like many conservatives in the GOP who hold the belief of tax cuts but won't extend the pay roll tax cut.
It does not deny anybody entrance into the park if they wanted to come. University? It is not a crime to protest at a university, and the university is the student's home.@GermanConquistador08
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 Once you bail an industry out once, do you really think that will be the last dime you need to give them? "and CC are usually non-profit" -NO they are not. Public universities still acquire profit from their tutitions. They're not charities, they're either payed for by students and they spent a lot of money on a number of things, and the government is usually fitted with that bill. The private colleges are the ones that can fail and close. Public schools literally CANT
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "who hold the belief of tax cuts but won't extend the pay roll tax cut." -THat is one of the biggest scams in Washington right now. First of all, the pay roll tax cuts were originally tied to Obama's jobs bill, which everyone in the GOP was against because it was basically another stimulus. But now, the GOP wants to be resonsible and cut back on government bureacrats and the dems are making it out to be they have to fire police and firemen which is completely dishonest.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 The GOP wants to pass the payroll taxcuts, they just dont want to do it while giving up the economic inferstructure of the country like the dems are willing to do as nothing more than a political ploy to garner more voters for next election. "if they wanted to come" - Who the hell will be there when half the park is literlly taken over by tentvilles? "It is not a crime to protest" - It is if you're distrubing other students and providing a distraction for studies
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@robobrow "and the people they "arrested' have since been let go by the courts and deemed unlawful or Constitutional Rights violations" - While its true that I've seen court cases let go by a mere slap on the wrist, its was NOT because of Constitutional rights violations. No rights have been violated by the police, but LAWS have been BROKEN by occupiers. "Look it up and stop believing Fox News propaganda." - I actually watch Fox (along with other news)I've seen little negative press from Fox.
GermanConquistador08 4 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: 4. constitutional rights have been violated by the police, and protestors have not broken any laws from what I have seen. Protesting peacefully is a right not a privilege.
HispanicIsNotARace1 4 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "constitutional rights have been violated by the police, and protestors have not broken any laws from what I have seen. Protesting peacefully is a right not a privilege." - They've broken laws across the board from vandelism, theft, disruption of peace, blocking traffic and emergency services. These protests have been nothing but a problem for the people of these cities. They're not doing anything important. Also note, the Tea Party Zero arrests. Occupy HUNDREDS!
GermanConquistador08 4 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: Is there violence in Zuccotti Park? Yeah, mostly done by sexual predators on female protestors. There is no evidence linking occupy wallstreet protestors to any crimes such as vandalism, theft, etc. These protest have been the right that the constitution gives us as US citizens. They are doing something important: protesting. Look at the Arab spring, civil rights movement, etc. Protesting is very important!
HispanicIsNotARace1 4 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "Yeah, mostly done by sexual predators on female protestors." -And you REFUSE to acknowlegde that ANY of these predators could have POSSIBLY been occupy protestors? The Occupiers are the ones stealing and sexually assaulting OTHER occupiers and it would be hard to say otherwise because the occupy movement has no unified base or social connection other than being in the "99%". And vandalism? How about attacking Hot Dog stands in NYC, or shitting on police cars in Oakland.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: Strawman. I am not refusing the possibility that the sexual predators were protesters. I am simply stating that there is no proof that any of the crimes, which you have stated, are linked to occupy protesters. Simply saying that they are does not make it so. Your proposition that they have to be occupiers, because occupy movement has not social connection other than being the 99% is just fallacious, and makes no sense.
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "I am simply stating that there is no proof that any of the crimes, which you have stated, are linked to occupy protesters" - There is a 100 story rap sheet on this movement now of violence, aggitation, and criminal activity. You're saying that MOST of these incidents are not done by occupy protestors DESPITE every single one being people who went to the occupy movement. Anyone who was there, is technically an occupier because theres no set ideology the movement has.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08: Where is the report of this 100 story rap sheet? Like I said, most of the documentation are coming from the conservative media, which attributes anything violent to occupy protesters without proof. For example, when NY post tried to link the graffiti being done on the 9/11 memorial to occupy protesters, memorial spokesman said, "We know of no link between Occupy protesters and acts of vandalism." This is just one case out of many that the conservative media tries to
HispanicIsNotARace1 3 months ago
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GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@HispanicIsNotARace1 "coming from the conservative media" - Yes I will admit, its conservatives who posted this rap sheet (although the news stories range in sources) but thats probably becuase this movement is mostly a lefti-wing movement. I seriously doubt other leftists will condemn it simply because it would be against their interests to do so. "anything violent to occupy protesters" - People who say theyre in the momvent, been seen in the movement, ARE IN THE MOVEMENT. End of story.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@robobrow "yelling isn't a crime" - Constantly insulting, making violent gestures to police and refusing to move from an area after it was closed ARE crimes. Vandalization is ALSO a crime constantly commited by these occupiers. Same with theft and sexual assault which has also been a constant at these movements. "after Oakland PD beat the shit out of peaceful protesters and almost killed a marine." - Again theyre not peaceful protests secondly, it was an accident. Robberies and rapes WERE NOT!
GermanConquistador08 4 months ago
@GermanConquistador08 Was the looting of America by Wall Street an accident or was it intentional?
SeisanStnc 4 months ago
@SeisanStnc "Was the looting of America by Wall Street an accident or was it intentional?" -It was neither! First of all, the US government gave massive bailouts to companies like Fannie May, Freddie Mac and GM as well as banks which SHOULD have been allowed to fail (With the exception of banks arguebly) as well as other semi-public corporations like Freddie and Fanny. Wall Street didnt LOOT anyone, they were givenmoney they didnt deserve BY the Obama administration (Banks by Bush though)
GermanConquistador08 4 months ago
@GermanConquistador08 Yes they were. The rapings and vandalism was NOT by the occupyers as it is against their tennents. The occupyers afterwords CLEANED up the mess that was done. Again, they are sending people to do vandalisms othey have a reason to crack down. There have been many stories about this. Don't be a dumb@ss.
LobsterPotsticker 4 months ago 2
@LobsterPotsticker "The occupyers afterwords CLEANED up the mess that was done. Again, they are sending people to do vandalisms othey have a reason to crack down. There have been many stories about this. Don't be a dumb@ss." -None of what you said is true, substainiated by evidence of any kind by anything from media outlets to individual videos or blogs stories etc. Its an unfounded and illogical conspiracy. I bet you believe that Bin Ladin is still alive and Bush blew up the towers huh "dude?
GermanConquistador08 4 months ago
@GermanConquistador08 Everything I said was true idiot. Obviously you couldn't follow a train track let alone this story worth a dime. Also I don't believe Bin Laden was still alive dumb fK or that bush blew up the towers.
LobsterPotsticker 4 months ago
@LobsterPotsticker "Everything I said was true idiot. Obviously you couldn't follow a train track let alone this story worth a dime" -Right thats probably it, because I disagree with you I'm the idiot. My point being that this conspiranoia about the police "cracking down" On protestors is a completely idiotically misinformed arguement. Local PDs arent controlled directly by the FBI or federal governments. Anything the PDs do, is for their own local necessity. No opression is taking place.
GermanConquistador08 3 months ago
@GermanConquistador08 Open UP your perverted eyes.
LobsterPotsticker 3 months ago
@o00osimbasmateo00o So let me get this straight: Another grassroots movement, the Tea Party can have MORE demonstrations and LARGER protests than the occupy movement and had an arrest record of ZERO a violent incident rate of ZERO and yet were call violent and racism but THIS movement filled with arrests, violent conduct towards police and each other by the HUNDREDS is peaceful? This is NOT a peaceful movement. AT ALL "Open up your fucking eyes woman." -Man, just for the record. Doesnt matter
GermanConquistador08 4 months ago
anyone can buy work slacks and a collared shirt you dumb fuck, your just rambling on about nothing
evinger79 4 months ago
you and other protesters are not changing anything go back home and get a job
StrongItalianGuy123 4 months ago