The Beat Generation (Part 2)

[RonSafreed]

Last Night I Comitted Suicide-an interesting movie about Neil Cassidy, a beatnik who was found dead in Mexico in 1968, died along some rail-road tracks.

[RonSafreed]

Allen Ginsburg could not enter Mexico back in 1964 even-though he had money. They told him to shave his beard&take a bath.Boy times have changed, wonder if them drugf-lords along the border would cheer him over the border into Mexico today?

[jettimothy]

7:22 - end = yes

[textbookjunky]

what's with the black guy

[laylananderson03]

@textbookjunky I know, right? Like, what could have been happening to black Americans in the 40s, 50s, and 60s to make him have such a chip on his shoulder?

[asana1973]

Powerful! Thank you for uploading this.

[scottv65]

hmmmmmmmmmmm



[scottv65]

ubercool



[danger0usknowledge]

How much of the 60's protest were the result of people like Leary seeing what was going on at Harvard participating in MK-ULTRA experiments by the CIA. The Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski was being fed overdoses of LSD & probably electric shock as a result of volunteering for CIA experiments for 3 yrs. When he entered Harvard @ 17 he had an IQ of 170. When he left he had 3 feet of garbage in his unapproachable dorm room & probably a 20 point drop in IQ.

[philsteakfreeman]

What Leary says here is scary, because there is nothing going on like that now to rein in the war-torn minds.

[74percent]

Revolution is not ever going to look the same as it did in the past. If it did, those being revolted against would already know the game plan.

The establishment is established by virtue of being history. Any new revolution is going to come about by being outside of what has already been established.

You are communicating now with a person you do not know but who is watching a film that we both share a common interest in.

The revolution will not be televised, it will be customized. Im from PA 2

[CurlyPubis]

@jhop9898 Because science says "Bedtime is at 9:00 sharp, kids", whereas Art says, "fuck it: let's let them stay up all night and watch movies."

[LightningStrikes89]

@CurlyPubis thats not art, thats just bad parenting.

[asana1973]

I can deal with or stomach that reasoning for bad parenting than the ones we frequently hear today. Bad parenting due to facebook, etc, etc.

[CurlyPubis]

@jhop9898 OK, but there is a difference between an artisan and an artist. You can craft something with skill and signature but it is still a craft, not Art. Art transcends the human experience, art sublimates daily human life.

You've also got to bear in mind that I am hammered when I make 97 percent of my YouTube comments.

[CurlyPubis]

@jhop9898 ...therefore the artist (who understands the transitory nature of all things) must educate the critic (who operates on a narrow-minded premise that the ephemeral can be judged mechanically, as though a song/book/painting is a table, or an automobile.)

Art sublimates knowledge, Art transcends so-called fact.

I do agree with you about journalism though.

[CurlyPubis]

@jhop9898 Well you've just heaved a lot of bullshit at me, but I'll try to respond succinctly. First off, your reasoning is hinged on the fallacy that knowledge is intrinsic, which it isn't. Nothing is true, everything is relative and dependent on external factors. Secondly, this implication that writing is simply "fun stuff to read, yay" is woefully ignorant. Art isn't entertainment. American Idol is entertainment (so I hear.) So...

[stargate121]

Burroughs always sounded big, creaky door opening reeeaaaaallllly slow.

[CurlyPubis]

Ginsberg has it right in his Life magazine anecdote: the establishment is never going to get it. Even now, even 50 years on....Even though many of them THINK they get it, they do not really get it. Journalists have always been, and will always be, useless shitheads. Even the relatively smart ones are nothing more than failed writers, failed poets, failed artists. So they turn to journalism...journalism is the door prize of artistry.

As Wilde said, "The artist must educate the critic."

[preston9219]

@CurlyPubis what about hunter thompson?

[CurlyPubis]

Diprima, shut up.

[WonderfulBliss]

oh i just wish i could have meet jack kerouac.

[nukecat]

you can! through his work.

[lpickard64]

the first three people are the beat writers lawrence ferlinghetti, william burroughs and allen ginsberg, don't know who the fourth or fifth persons are. the sixth person is timothy leary. the first lady appears to be a random "street" interview. the next lady is jan kerouac; then ending with a clip of Jack Kerouac.

[handymix]

lawrence ferlinghetti is not black...

[torisdad99]

1st - Diane Di Prima

2nd - Leroi Jones

3rd - William S. Burroughs

4th - Allen Ginsberg

5th & 6th - Peter Orlovsky & Gary Snyder

7th - Abbie Hoffman

8th - Timothy Leary

9th- Jan Kerouac

10th Jack Kerouac

Abbie Hoffman and Tim Leary are the only ones who weren't primarily writers. They were, however, a part of that anti-establishment scene. The exception is Jan Kerouac, she tried to write but ended up just ruining herself with drugs. She looked like a doll though.

[earinsound]

2:30

Actually the two guys after Ginsberg are:

Clark Coolidge (on the left, who I've known personally)

and

Larry Fagin (right)

Neither one of them even LOOK like Orlovsky or Snyder (who probably wouldn't be hangin' together anyway). :)

[TrulyTrixy69]

Idiot, the the woman before Jan Kerouac is Dianna DiPrima,,...a beat writer aswell, you ignorant cocksucker

[goodvibesallround]

it's his daughter, who tired to be a writer, kinda like jacob dylan from the wallflowers.

[Bennyviolentinavent]

funny

[lazaris11]

I think something really ignorant is to react so irritably to a little ignorance.

[ivanoleaanimator]

It would be nice to see name titles for the people being interviewed.

[Rigerdaby]

just a flag Flags mean nothing

[Bodhidharma1986]

all empires fall one day and it may not be in your lifetime but in a thousand years that flag will mean nothing, just like the roman flag and all the ancient cultures with their flags. fact of life pal...

[guruatberko]

strap on a pair its a flag!

[NoRosesForMe]

It made Kerouac sick too. Believe me.(Billy) Later on his life he kind of rejected these hippies and turned to his old conservatism. This is the thing that most people dont seem to understand about Jack. He was NOT a hippie. He was not FOR them. He was just.....Jack. He believed in the America that his immigrant family believed in. He believed in the beauty of America. The people. Please dont confuse Kerouac with the hippie fruits. For Gods sake please dont. hehe! =)

[usgahogan56]

agree completely but few who quote Kerouac and aspire to be "beat" have actually read the great prose or even tried to understand Kerouac's notion of America not Amerika

[NoRosesForMe]

btw.....another fact about Kerouac...he went out to a protest and found people burning and destroying the flag. He took some of them and carefully folded them respectfully. He wasnt political in the same sense as the hippies. He wasnt an ultra flag-waver either. Just turned away from the garbage in his later life. The hippies and the media helped kill Kerouac. Believe me.

[odelisk8]

yeah...me too...damn pigs beating people for no reason...

[holden1787]

get over it, it's our right.

[arikcarlo]

It's too bad he became anti-Semitic as he grew older, along with intensification of his conservative side.

[dbfkjmatt]

who became this?

[beatpunk9]

What ruined, and eventually killed Kerouac, was sudden, literally overnight, fame, which he could not handle. He lost his most prized possession-- anonymity. He couldn't go around unnoticed anymore. He also suffered great pain in his legs for years from excessive Benzedrine use. He basically slowly drank himself to death. Although much quicker, Kurt Cobain mirrored that fate.

[finn417]

I don't know if what killed Kerouac was fame, there was nothing overnight about his success..I think he was about 35 when on the road was finally published..almost 10 years after his first book the town and the city..Jack Kerouac killed Jack Kerouac..the want to be a great writer..being a great writer but not getting the recognition soon enough..maybe the feeling of failure and just saying fuck it and drinking himself to death..

[finn417]

also the begining of youth culture that did not exist till then..they used a middle aged man to sell berets and jeans, to sell youth to the young,beatniks in berets?you never see any of them in berets. he was cool because he didn't know he was cool, but he was used to put forth the notion that you could buy cool by sitting around in berets snapping your fingers and talking a bunch of nonsence.. and it still happens today

[whizbang47]

I was very little when they began. When I did hear about "kooky beatniks" it was a caricature. I did get to see and hear Ginsberg read a poem in late 1969. Of course I had known who he was.

He was a poet. Only later did I learn who Kerouac was and how I could have driven 20 miles and played pool. But its only in recent years that I've learned what I missed.

[RThompsonXXX]

Thank you for posting this, very much.

[SchuleDesNichts]

whats the name of the black speaking in this clip?

[RThompsonXXX]

Amiri Baraka (LeRoi Jones)

[galabohemia]

this was very good, thanks for posting.

[cliffordthepoet]

Where are Todays Poets????

[jobbymacnuff]

right here buddy!!!!

[Plutonicmuse]

oppresed

[kuroneko99]

Also Allen Ginsberg.

[kuroneko99]

It's Diane di Prima.

[andygray]

Excellent. Thanks for posting.

[kalamitykat]

Ginsberg always amuses me.

Thank you very much for posting this.